Is the Shin Megami Tensei series the only series to properly utilize Abrahamic Mythology?
Can you recommend something to read so I can appreciate SMT more?
>>337746589
The Bible.
>>337746675
Which version is closest to original?
Finally playing SMTIV because a friend lent me his 3DS, loving it, but I just have one question.
Are some of the early game bosses (talking about up to Medusa here) meant to be a case of hoping that the RNG doesn't fuck you over in the first 2 turns until you can cast all your buffs? I've had Medusa seriously get three criticals (so six turns in total) on her first turn and just wipe my team. There's very little I can do with regards with team comp to combat that (though as I write this I realise that I could have used a demon that had Null Shoot. Fuck).
Game gets dramatically better when you finally get to Tokyo though.
>>337747436
I'd say go for KJV.
I doubt anyone got their hands on the "originals".
>>337747786
Alright, thanks.
>mythology
The bible really happened though
>properly
Subtle my love.
>>337747964
Mythologies aren't necessarily untrue.
>>337747707
Yes, it becomes easy as fuck when you get to tokyo
>>337746675
Where actually is all the mythology and wheel angels and shit? All I remember is a lot of shitty stolen fables, a little creation myth, and the whole Moses saga.
>>337748221
Time to reread it, you silly fuck.
>Abrahamic
you fucking ameriniggers always have to put your stupid patriotism in everything don't you?
>>337748324
What?
>>337746675
>>337747786
>>337747872
REEEE
King James Version is fucking trash as far as "being close to the original texts" is concerned. It translates Gehenna and Hades as "Hell" for fuck's sake
I read the New American Bible (Revised Edition) and the Bible of Jerusalem (French) but I don't know if there are better ones out there. Just avoid KJV if you haven't read the Bible before though.
Definitely not SMTIV, that's for sure.
>>337747786
The originals were lost millenia ago. What we use now is all translated from the Greek translation.
So Greek would be closest if only due to less degrees of separation.
>>3377483245/10
>>337748221
The weird and neat stuff is typically glossed over in church and most people who say they read the bible didnt really, so the fun bits are typically not known.
Like come on, how do you forget the part where a seven eyed lamb opened a scroll heralding the end times?
>>337748221
descriptions of YHWH & angels & the divine come from the prophetic books
some stuff comes from the historical interpretation of Revelation (which is an end-of-the-world interpretation) and from Dante's Inferno (literally a self-insert Catholic fanfiction)
>>337747964
Only fundamentalists believe the bible is the literal word of God. Even most religious people realize a lot of it is allegory
I have only played Persona 3 years ago.
Which SMT game should I start?
>>337748324
Damn right.
>>337748709
SMT I on PS1.
>>337748709
Nocturne is a good place to start.
>>337746418
>Abrahamic Mythology
>mythology
>>337748221
>15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces.
>16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
>17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went.
>18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
>19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose.
>20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
>21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
>Ezekiel 1:15-21
>>337748954
Car Angels confirmed
So the only part worth reading from the bible is the Genesis and the Revelations?
>>337748437
Wait, what's Gehenna.
It sound like the arab word for heaven.
>>337748221
You'd also have to look at the Apocryphal texts like the Book of Enoch for the really juicy stuff.
>>337747964
Are you implying the exploits of Zeus and co. aren't true?
>>337749295
Honestly Christian end of the world is pretty lame in terms of ragnarok scenarios
>>337749624
At least we have cool demons thanks to it.
>>337749538
>Apocryphas
What, are we Fate/ now?
>>337749516
It's Hell, not Heaven.
>>337749753
forgot pic
>>337749801
Please kill yourself but look up what Apocrypha means before doing so
>>337748572
You're literally saying that the Hebrew Bible was lost millenia ago. Think a little before posting.
If you meant the NT, it was already written in Greek in the first place.
>>337750141
>You're literally saying that the Hebrew Bible was lost millenia ago
Really? Because I thought he was saying the original Hebrew Bible was discovered last week.
>>337750098
I was meaning to get along to play it, but I heard CCC never got an English translation.
>>337749753
Yeah but people like the Aztecs got creative with it. The thought the world had already ended several times and the universe started over.
One time it came in the form of giant invincible jaguars eating everyone
>>337748221
>creation myth
Interestingly enough, science is researching all DNA back to a single being.
>>337748221
>>337750693
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0624_050624_spencerwells_2.html
>>337750693
Well yeah, but it's like an amoeba or something. Not a fully evolved being
>>337749516
A location that was believed to be cursed by ancient Israelites because other tribes were sacrificing children there.
>>337750693
>337
Named Mitochondrial Adam and Eve
>>337749295
>Genesis: tale of a bunch of guys being led by El the Canaanite God
>Revelations: a fucking mess with the general interpretation being that it's about Jesus bringing forth the Judgement Day and shit
No.
If you want the cool shit, read the major & minor prophets + Ecclesiastus (my favorite book) + Gospel of John & one of the three others
>>337750395
What is your point?
>>337751269
Nothing.
What's the point of anything?
>ITT: People rating different gospels based on entertainment value and quality of writing
>>337750810
>>337749803
How odd that it means the exact opposite.
>>337749229
Literally holy Devil May Cry
>>337746418
SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT
>>337751324
Go to bed Koheleth
>>337749295
>>337751178
>People calling the book Revelations
>Always mistakenly making it plural
This triggers me for some reason. Almost as much as people who treat the apocalypse and revelation as two separate events
>>337751780
i called it revelation earlier ITT, give me a fucking break
not that it matters because apocalypse is the superior name
>>337751863
This.
>>337746418
>>337752175
>put the ten commandments in order
>they're numbered
>>337750693
How else would life evolve, anon?
>>337750801
Nope. >>337750797
>By analyzing genetic changes in the Y-chromosome of people in all regions of the world, Wells and colleagues concluded that all humans alive today are descended from a single African man.
>>337752462
How is evolution supposed to claim that all humans came from a single dude? Protip: it can't.
>>337752534
>2005
Nope
>>337752638
>came from a single dude
A single microorganism, anon.
>>337752690
>being on about some shit
>>337752761
Reading problems?
>>337748694
Literally only because in a modern scientific world it's the only way to protect the religion without it falling into blatantly ludicrous territory
It's literally taking an unfalsifiable position that is impossible to challenge
I could hypothetically go back in time, insert a sonic fanfiction with different names and then today people would just say it's 'meant to be interpreted non literally' and no one would be able to challenge it, it's retarded
>>337752175
>the fucking red sea
>and the ark
>again
fuck
everytime biblical content is talked about in something (like a video game, or a TV show episode) it's always about the same fucking things:
>adam, eve, the snake, the forbidden fruit
>noah's ark
>moses using the force to cut the red sea in half
>solomon being a wise guy
where's all the rest of the hebrew bible? where's the new testament?
the OT is basically just warfare & politics + prophts having traumatizing visions + some poetry & nihilistic philosophy
the NT is Jesus getting killed, Paul getting bullied for preaching Christianity to gentiles, a couple other epistles from early Christians, and then the Apocalypse
there's a lot you could do with these things, why does it have to only be high-profile movies & japanese video games to use the bible's contents besides the couple major bits in the OT
>>337746418
>>337752851
>all dna dates back to a single being
DNA isn't just in humans anon, it's in all living organisms.
No shit they all came from the same thing, where else would they come from?
>>337752920
tfw no Song of Solomon media
>>337746418
It doesn't, they apply ecessive crative liberty to their demons.
Nowhere in abrahamic myth is YHWH described as an infinite number of golden disembodied heads.
>>337753116
excessive creative liberties*
>>337753039
>this bait
If you really don't know and are interested, the link is above. They even specify "all humans are descended from a single African man".
>>337752916
That'd be nice if the idea that the Bible is not an instruction book on the universe was only a recent idea. But it's not, if anything, the idea that the Bible is to be taken literally only won out of the other interpretations relatively recently.
>>337753116
it's only because modern consoles don't have the processing power to display the infinite glory of god :^)
>>337753297
Nigga, I wasn't responding to the post with the article.
But if it means that much to you, then of course there's always one single organism that stops being one species and starts being another.
What it sounds like is that person is searching for the genetic change that ocurred that definitely created the species of humanity, and he's chosen to call that Adam for the same reason people call the Higgs-Boson the God particle.
It would be a very significant scientific accomplishment, but it doesn't contradict any existing theories.
And you seem to be forgetting how evolution works in the first place.
If humans came out of thin air like you seem to have misunderstood, then their genetic code would be far, far different than any other species.
The evidence shows an abundance of genetic evidence that both humans and animals share the same genetic past.
>>337748709
SMT IV.
>>337749229
That game was fucking gorgeous, but I had no idea what was going on most of the time
>>337746418
it doesn't, though.
it utilizes an Eastern perspective of a Western religious tradition.
SMT4:A spoilers:turns out YHVH WAS the bad guy all along, with the Great Will being the benevolent creator deity. turns out YHVH was just another demon--one who keeps hijacking the cycle of creation. this is an important plot point in SMT4:A, where all of these gods are fighting to be the one who becomes the creator in the next cycle
>>337753719
It still wouldn't suggest a single man for evolution (it does state man and not organism).
If there was so much evidence, it would be more discussed. Christian scientists aren't biased. They enjoy truth.
>>337746589
Sandman.
>>337754951
But it would.
That's literally how it works, at some point there is a genetic change to a species upon which it is no longer the preceding species, and becomes its own thing.
That necessarily happens in a single organism which then reproduces and creates a continuing population for that species.
It's funny because the response to 'all humans came from a single human' is literally not any different from 'all life came from a single organism.'
No shit, where else would you think they came from?
>If there was so much evidence, it would be more discussed.
You mean how genetics works period?
Because that is how it works.
In order for an organism to exist with its current genetic code, some other organism must have replicated itself or a part of itself in order to create it.
It's really funny how often arguments with creationists over evolution almost always boil down to 'you don't understand how evolution works.'
>>337749229
This any good?
>>337755916
Only on lsd or any psychotropic drug. Not actually kidding
>>337755452
>generalized drivel
Pretty sure following the y chromosome back isn't going to lead to animals.
>>337756379
Let me put it this way: genetics as a science implicitly assumes the validity of evolution.
Also humans are a part of the animal kingdom, which is also a genetic fact.
>>337756505
And it's a deflection/digression. You're not posting authority papers for anything.
>>337756754
Explain to me what you think evolution is.
>>337756754
Also if you're looking for citations I can give you mendel and darwin, the fathers of both genetics and evolution, because we are literally talking about the basics of the theory.
>>337746418
>it has random elements of hindu christian buddha sphere of influence scattered across demon design and/or item names
>proper utilization
>>337746418
No.
>>337756754
My dad works with nintendo and he told me your wrong, so back the fuck off????
>>337757058
It has elements of ALL folklore and mythology. That's kind of the idea.
