Ice and Water are different elements
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>Ice and Water are different elements
How about we throw Steam into the mix too.
>>337641839
Not all ice is made of water. There's shit like methane ice.
>>337642239
>ice is element
>gas and liquid are not their own element
>>337641839
>water is water
>ice is the way shitty magic societies consider "cold," in the same retarded vein as "flies are born from garbage heaps"
It will never bother me until a game has Ice AND Cold elements.
>>337642239
But can Methane Ice become water? I DON'T THINK SO!
>>337642441
So solid should be too??
>>337642093
Name a Game
>>337641839
>Grass, Rock, and Ground are seperate elements
>They aren't just grouped into one called Earth.
>>337641839
I miss the guy who spammed porn comics about Donald's nephews
>>337641839
>Homo and Faggot are different status effect.
>>337642239
doesn't matter. neither ice nor water are elements.
>>337642761
earth isn't an element either.
>>337642892
>gay and queer are separate things
>>337641839
>water is the only liquid that can be frozen
back to school huey
>"thunder" is electricity
>>337642915
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element
This is going to turn into some pedantic argument isn't it?
>>337641839
>the game doesn't let you make a uranium golem
trashed.
>Lighting and Fire are considered two separate elements.
>No game just has "heat" as an element.
>Game has an element called "Thunder."
>It's clearly lighting.
You fool, of course ice belongs to the element earth.
>he climbed an iceberg
>also never had a whiskey on the rocks
Ice and Water being different elements never made sense, especially in games with Fire.
How the fuck do you let Ice and Water be two different elements but not Fire and Smolder?
>>337643051
>if the ancient greeks believed it, it must be true!
>>337641839
>water is usually portrayed as a "healing" or lacking in offense element
>floods and tsunamis are the most devastating natural disasters
>>337643115
>Lighting and Fire are considered two separate elements.
That's because they are two completely separate things?
>>337642093
perhaps in the next update
>>337642915
>doesn't think water is an element
>>337643168
*He never climbed
fuck my typing
>>337641839
>Air is even acknowledged
>You're just being a drafty nigger.
>ground and rock are two different elements
>flying and wind are two different elements
>>337643190
Don't be stupid. It's true because the ancient chinks believed it.
>>337643292
Water is a compound you nitwit.
>>337643184
>Smolder
All the other wizards laugh at you and call you a faggot.
>>337643292
haha, wow. maybe you should've paid attention in 3rd grade.
>Void is an element
>>337642652
Magicka
LOL! Holy fuck dude. Simmer the hell down. It's a VIDEO GAME! Think about that before you open your mouth and make yourself look like the saddest piece of shit I've seen all day. I know NOTHING about you except that you're worthless and have no life IE. time to check these things out and care. Hope you're proud of yourself. I really do. I sincerely hope for a SPLIT second you feel better about yourself because you downloaded and rummaged through all the levels of your favourite Video Game in fucking STEAM just to point out he said his opinion. That was going to blow the fucking CONTINUITY out of the water and blow our FUCKING minds somehow. Being that Video Games are known for their sharp and detective like continuity. Steam. Even the fucking CREATOR said fuck this and LEFT....but you...no YOU sat down and figured this out and now you look SO brilliant in front of us. Man....is my face red. I'm so ashamed of myself for not being a big fucking loser who has to spend my time nitpicking a fucking KIDS game (even in Japan it's for CHILDREN you weeaboo piece of shit) like you. Nice work.
>>337643393
it's false in either case. (i know you're being sarcastic.)
>>337643490
haven't seen this one before, neat
>>337641839
>OP and autism are different elements
>>337643115
Superstar Saga
>>337642915
you're a cunt
>>337643403
>>337643448
> not knowing the ancient Greeks 5 elements
>>337643536
Yes, when talking about chemical elements, but with the OP being worded how it is we're probably talking about games that use systems closer to the classical elemental system. Usually games that use magic. Magica, or dungeons and dragons.
>>337643774
the ancient greeks were wrong.
>>337643873
i don't care. he's wrong, and the games are wrong.
>>337643004
it is actually
>>337643886
> conflating our concept of elements to theirs
> he probably think atomism is the same concept of as atoms in science
It is so dumb you must be trolling
>>337643459
Name 2 (two) games.
>>337641839
>RPGs still go by the long-outdated Classical Elements instead of using actual fucking elements
>>337644229
no, it isn't.
>>337644308
Magkia 2
Warlock
>>337644395
Ground. It translates the same.
>>337644267
the ancient greeks thought water is an element. it's not. therefore, they were wrong.
>>337641839
>none of the elements are from the periodic table
I just want to be a copper wizard, for fuck's sake.
>>337644415
>>337644308
he's got you beat there
>>337642652
>>337642093
>>337641839
>>337644308
Classic Dungeons and Dragons has Water, Ice, and Steam as their own thing.
>>337644447
ground is not an element.
>>337641839
>>337644638
>ghost / spirit enemies
>implying ghost exist
>>337644476
> still this dense
Yeah your either retarded or a troll
>>337644740
do you know what the word "element" means?
>>337642915
>you can't specialise in Potassium magic
why even fucking live?
>>337644395
do you even chinese nigga, earth, metal, wood, fire, and air
>>337644898
none of those are elements.
>>337644860
So, you'd have power over bananas? When other wizards could give you cancer with their plutonium magic?
>>337644730
this story has far too many feels
scrooge has become such a sour old duck, it's disheartening. I can't bring myself to read that last part at Duckburg again.
>>337643115
>hey guys let's go camping and we'll toast marshmellows on the camplightning at night
no
>>337644953
or anything else in the universe that contains potassium.
>>337643027
The element wouldn't be "ice" though; it'd be whatever the fuck was frozen.
Ones a solid and ones a liquid how is this hard to understand?
>>337644950
Element:
a part or aspect of something abstract, especially one that is essential or characteristic.
>>337644831
How do you not get that they are different concepts you dolt
>>337641839
>wind is an element
Love this fucking meme
>>337645129
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/14LaAc_periodic_table_IIb.jpg
back to school.
Leeloo is my favorite element.
>>337645129
enabler:
a person or thing that makes something possible.
Stop engaging the troll. He's purposely taking a single definition of the word and ignoring all others for the sake of getting replies.
>>337645169
we're only talking about one concept. elements.
>>337645238
waifu is my favorite element
>>337642761
Confusing Pokémon types with elements.
>not being this autistic
>>337645254
there is only one correct definition.
>>337642652
doodle god
>Time and Gravity are the same element
>My mfw when
>>337645368
>guaranteed replies
You really are earning your (you)s today.
>>337645462
you're using a definition that was discredited multiple centuries ago. what's it like being that retarded?
>>337642761
>plants are sand
Rock and ground should have been one type, but imagine a flower that resists fire and kills fire.
>>337641839
>women can't have penis
>>337645220
His defenition of elements makes sense in this context dipshit. You're wrong.
>>337645656
>what is a cactus
>>337641839
>suprise isn't an element
>>337644730
thanks for the dump, that was a nice read
>>337645636
What's it like to be on a board dedicated to video games and be unable to talk about video game mechanics because they're not 100% real?
>>337645754
no, it doesn't. context is irrelevant. water, air, and earth are compounds of elements. fire is a chemical reaction. objective reality doesn't depend on how badly you wish something was true.
>>337645636
what's it like having genuine autism and not understanding meanings in fantasy settings?
>>337645929>>337645990
i'm talking about them right now; specifically, how they're wrong.
"waaah but it's fantasy i wanna pway make beweev" is not a valid argument.
>>337646053
but they aren't.
>>337646117
they are.
>>337646219
So when you look at this do you feel the need to complain to blizzard to change Water Elemental to Water Dude?
>>337645990
I have genuine autism and I'd like to ask you not to lump the troll in with the rest of us spergs.
>>337645220
DURRR HERP A DURR
obviously he's talking about the fucking periodic table
>>337646307
not especially, no. blizzard doesn't get defensive and assmad about being incorrect; they already know they are, and have said as much.
>>337646446
yes, i'm talking about the only objectively correct definition of the word "element".
>>337645963
Wow you are so dense. Yes context DOES matter. A word can have multiple defenitions meant for different contexts. Elements can mean elements of literature, or elements of a battle system. Take your head out of your ass and listen.
>>337646629
"in ancient and medieval philosophy"
so, you admit that your definition is wrong. okay.
>making water an element at all
IT'S A FUCKING COMPOUND YOU FUCKS. IT'S MADE OF ELEMENTS, BUT IT IS NOT ITSELF AN ELEMENT.
>>337646691
nope. if it can be broken down by a chemical reaction, it's not an element. stay wrong.
>>337646726
Except for the fact we are talking about it in a fantasy setting which includes ancient and medieval themes, enjoy your autism.
>Lesbian and gay are different
OP is somehow both
>>337646923
it's equally incorrect in all settings.
>>337647001
You're not even making sense any more and are trying to grasp at straws to fuel an online argument on an online image board.
>>337646831
Okay now i know you're baiting because you literally just ignored everything i just said. 7/10 troll took me for a ride
>>337647001
Fantasy settings often have magic and other things that defy our universes laws of physics. Assuming that they must have the same fundamental laws as us is inane.
>>337647074
tell me what doesn't make sense, and i'll spell it out in language even you can understand.
>>337647198
no thanks friend i'm going to go watch Avatar hes the master of all four elements you know.
>>337647153
i didn't; what you said was simply wrong. context doesn't matter. objective reality does not change because you wish it would for your special little make believe imagination time jerk off session.
>>337647156
>Fantasy settings often have magic and other things that defy our universes laws of physics
>Alchemy exists in these settings.
Kill yourself
>>337647156
yes, that's why they're incorrect. this is what we've been going over. try to keep up.
>fire is 'slow but strong' while lightning is 'fast but weak'
>>337647308
You can do better than that if the rest of the thread is anything to go by. 0/10
>>337647258
cool, stay wrong bro.
>>337647463
stay autistic friend.
>>337647449
don't worry, it's not your fault. your third grade teacher just didn't spend enough time on the subject.
>>337641839
>game has alchemy skill
>can't turn lead into gold
>>337647395
They have to balance it somehow. Lighting would be fucking OP if it wasn't weak, no matter what game.
>>337647545
stay wrong bro.
>>337647436
And yet fantasy alchemy follows our real world physics. Try again
>>337647668
>>337647545
>>337647463
Oh boy I can't wait to watch you two faggots go back and forth saying the same shit for two hours or until the thread dies. Why don't you both just spare the rest of us and eat a pair of bullets?
>>337647627
lightning is strong as shit in magicka 1 & 2 and it's not OP at all
>>337647734
why don't you make us, faggot?
>>337641839
>Ice is supposed to represent the cold or the lack of heat concept.
How about that?
>>337647827
*makes you*
>>337647683
>And yet fantasy alchemy follows our real world physics
Play Atelier Rorona and tell me that.
>>337647881
good job.
>>337647734
nah im not buying into that, its better to let people with that condition feel correct, an autistic guy i knew in high school had a melt down and started throwing shit after an argument with the teacher where he was clearly wrong just like now.
>dragon/flying
>not just dragon
>>337648049
yeah dude your argument based on bullshit from the dark ages is totes right, keep telling yourself that
>>337647957
The purpose of alchemy is to break things down and make something new with it. It isn't about turning lead into gold, nor a hammer into a staff. If Atelier does any of those to things then it isn't alchemy.
>>337648213
yeah dude your basis on reality in video games is totes right, keep telling yourself that
>>337648301
you just admitted that my position is literally based on objective reality. well done, you played yourself.
>>337648291
And we're back to being pedantic to a fault. I was hoping for a new branch of trolling but oh well.
>>337642607
what is chrono trigger?
>It's a: "middle-schoolers just finished taking their finals for basic chemistry and they want to feel smart for once, by pointing out the obvious facts that water and ice are not elements, but compounds" thread
>>337644415
Name 3 games fag
>>337648573
the facts are so obvious that you continually scream and pound your fists in denial of them, weird
>>337648604
Magikia 2
Warlock
Warlock 2
Ground/rock are two different elements
>>337648427
>I can't refute this
>It must be trolling
once again kill yourself
>>337648657
i don't think you meant to respond to me
>>337648670
yeah well name like 5 games
>>337648767
everyone on 4chan is interchangeable
>>337648776
Magikia 2
Magikia
Warlock
Warlock 2
Warlock 3
>>337648776
Doodle God. Doodle God 2.
>>337648851
are you saying you're bisexual
>>337648657
facts about real science don't have any basis as an argument in video games not about realism.
>>337648776>>337648862
vessel
nox
baldur's gate
baldur's gate 2
>>337643985
>>Dragons aren't real so op is wrong and I'm right
That's not how fantasy works ya dingus
>>337648862
there is no warlock 3
i knew none of you could name 7 games
>>337648978
facts about real science apply to everything, at all times, at all places, for all cultures, regardless of context.
>>337649014
correct: fantasy doesn't work. at all.
>>337644967
But behind that stingy carmugeon exterior is a man who still cares for his kin and whatnot. He's still a happy person, just easily rustled.
>>337648978
chemistry is a soft science, so it's barely a science
physical chemistry is literally the only thing with rigorous proofs in that stamp-collecting field
now physics, sure.
>>337649148
And that's why it's called fantasy and not reality.
>>337649065
Not in this book I'm reading called The way of Kings.
>>337649179
>chemistry is a soft science, so it's barely a science
name 10 sciences
Stance, and opinion are not the same thing. Opinions are based on non-factual information while a stance is not. Also, interpretation and deduction are not the same. Interpretation is simply the explaining of data, but all not explains are not based on fact. Deduction is the breakdown of events through the use of law or principle.
Key Point – Just because you call something incorrect doesn’t mean it is. Words alone are not proof. Which is why counter points must be made using deduction and supporting inferences.
>>337649148
so what video games do you play then anon?
>>337649283
When you pair a character with anyone other than their respective canon counterpart you are making direct negative implications about them and the feelings they express in the series they are from and degrade them as a whole. By pairing them with other characters you are stating that the feelings they express in the series are weak or otherwise worthless. This is due to multiple factors, every action works on the same principle of cause and effect, meaning that any statement a third party makes about the characters has implications about them, whether the third party intended for them to be there or not. Remembering two things; implication means the result of logical consequence, and that there are three base states of action – positive, negative, and neutral. All action falls under one of those three categories. To degrade something means to make a negative action towards it. Note that you can make degrading implications about anything, not just living people, which is why it’s factual to say you degrade the characters by making negative implications about them. Also bearing in mind that all fan made work makes direct implications about the characters for another reason. It’s “fan” work, the characters being used are predefined and developed, if you were not making a statement on the characters you would not be making fan work, but original content.
>>337649258
>>337649261
that's why it's wrong.
>fire is orange
>electricity is red
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>337649370
Characters are concepts that exist as set-in-stone entities. Meaning once their story is told we, as third parties viewing the events, posses all available information about them. Granted their story does not continue in a canon sequel. But even then, as new information is given we as a third party have full access to it. Point being that once a story is told it factually exists as that story and no personal view or interpretation can change the events that actually happened. Just because fallible interpretations can be made does not mean all interpretations are valid. Which is why personal taste and opinion is not a factor when determining whether certain content is insulting or degrading to the characters involved. Also, fictional stories are limited concepts set within the parameters of its creators. People are not capable of limitless thought, so neither are the concepts which they make, which is why all questions about fiction have a finite answer set. The answer set may not be one item, but the set is finite.
>>337649405
But it's right according to them. And I like them more than I like you.
>>337649278
Physics
Kinetics
Mechanics
Electromagnetics
Thermodynamics
Jackie Chan
Biology
Botany
Zoology
Geology
Meteorology
Astronomy
Chemistry
Inorganic Chemistry
Electrochemistry
Analytical Chemistry
>>337649472
there is no "according to". they're wrong, and you're wrong.
>>337649278
Space
Planets
Leaves
Trees
Animals
Fish
Alchemy
Billie Dee Williams
Necromancy
Jackie Chan
>>337649278
physics
mathematical physics (yes it's different)
hard materials science
these are the only hard sciences
engineering and math don't count
>>337649460
A character is given worth through its story’s development. This is true because if a character is not developed they are considered a blank slate, and a blank slate has no worth. If a character is not developed then no story about it has been told, meaning it’s not even a character. Characters are abstract concepts and as such their value is also abstract, meaning it is not a numerical value but a conceptual one. Developed in a canon setting gives a character worth, so when that development is discarded for the sake of pairing the character with someone other than their canon counterpart you are implying that said development is worthless in the setting where choose to pair the alternate characters. It makes this implication because in the setting with the alternate pair the canon feelings of said characters are not being used. To not use the feelings is the same as saying the feelings have no worth because if the state of being used does not give them worth, nothing does. Just saying “I give the feelings worth because I like them” is not the same as actually giving them worth because you just stating something does not make it true. Similar to saying “I am running” while you are actually walking. Statements alone do not prove fact, the result of logical consequence proves fact as the results can be repeated and tested by multiple parties. Remembering that value comes canon development and implying that canon development is the same fan development is making a high to low comparison, thus is a negative state of action, and is thus degrading to the story and characters. Also, to be degrading does not have to have an actual effect on the content. “Degrading” is the only the type of statement you are making. It should also be noted that the term canon is used to describe what is factual within a fictional setting. And the one way to prove something is canon is to be able to support it through events in the series.
>ice enemy
>is strong against fire
>weak against ice
>>337649557
Which is why the not all official content is canon, and some series have multiple canons.
The main reason that alternative pairings are degrading to the characters is that it implies their feelings are weak and disposable. If the feelings between two characters are strong then they would not easily fall in love with other characters, which is what alternative pairs imply as they make direct implications about the characters due to the nature of being fan made content. And the same as it was before making a high to low comparison about the strength of the character’s feelings is a negative action, and thus a degrading type of statement. Not all deviation from canon is a negative implication, mind you. Only concept that in some way implies negative things about the topic. In addition, not all interaction between characters is “shipping” interaction. Only specific events have romantic connotations, even in subtext based shows. But, even under the false assumption that all interaction is “shipping” interaction pairing the characters with their non-canon counterparts is still degrading to them as you are comparing the high amount of interaction they have with their canon pair to the low amount they have with the alternative pair, again, being high to low, which makes it degrading.
It also does not matter if you “seriously” like the alternative pair or not, because no matter what you personally feel about the pair you are still making the negative implications about the feelings of the canon pair. Sort of like saying “I was just kidding about you being worthless and disposable, haha, it was just a joke.” The intention/verbal confirmation and logical consequence of the actions do not match.
>elements other than H, He, Li, Be, etc.
>>337649512
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
>>337649460
Why are you going on about this, my man?
>>337643773
>He got his trademark clothes by trading his richman's duds so he can get 5 bongs
Keep going
>>337649512
>Physics
ok
>kinetics
physics
>Electromagnetics
physics
>Thermodynamics
physics
>Jackie Chan
physics
>Biology
chemistry, which is applied physics
>Botany
Biology which is just applied biology, which is applied physics
>Zoology
see above
>Geology
a meme
>Meterology
a bigger meme
>Astronomy
closer to a real science, but still applied physics
>Chemistry
physics
>Inorganic Chemistry
physics
>Electrochemistry
physics
>Analytical Chemistry
Physics
so
you only named 1 science
>>337649632
To pair the characters with multiple people you are also treating them as interchangeable and disposable, which is highly insulting because it make many negative statements about them; that their feelings feelings are weak, that their character as a “person” has no real substance, that they’re not capable of being faithful to anything, etc etc. If you claim that any situation you put the characters in will lead to romantic development then that’s the same as saying all romance involving them is cheap. Basic math will tell you this. It’s a simple 1 to 1 ratio, as delta when exchanged is zero that mean everything is worth because no gain is possible. To simplify it further, you are claiming that there is nothing special about the canon relationship because it could easily be replaced. And of course, implying a strong relationship is nothing special is a high to low comparison, thus it is degrading statement.
In closing; please be aware of the difference between an opinion and a stance. An opinion is based on non-factual information. And all of the things stated here are based on the logical cohesion of events and their results and can be repeated by other parties using the same process, thus they are facts. Also, as stated before, just saying words alone is not proof of deduction, so simply calling something “wrong” is meaningless unless you support why it’s wrong. And if something is an opinion rather than a fact, you can prove it’s an opinion by pointing out the flaw in the logical process where a factor depends solely on a personal value rather than a value determined through the development of events
-anonscans’ Debate Club
>>337643115
>>No game just has "heat" as an element.
warframe
>>337649769
>>Jackie Chan
>physics
>>337649709
Because elementautist is ACK aka anonscans
>>337649525
But I'm saying there is, so where does that leave us?
>>337649769
Are you retarded how the fuck is biology physics? How the fuck can you explain Mitosis through physics alone
>>337649870
I love warframes usage of elemental powers i put viral on most of my weapons, so good
>>337649769
Do you consider there to be only one science, which is physics, or do you accept any others? Because if you're asking for 10 but you know there's less than that you're being a deceitful prick.
>>337650010
i already told you. you're wrong. it's not a matter of opinion, point of view, context, culture, or philosophy.
>that one faggot that comes into an RPG element thread and brings up the periodic table
>>337649769
Physics is just applied mathematics. Since we're being overly reductionist.
>>337650146
Its ok anon he doesn't actually like video games.
>>337650146
>that faggot that thinks it's okay for games to be retarded because "m-muh fiction"
>>337650163
Mathematics is just applied Logic.
>>337650030
through the numerous individual chemical reactions that make it up, which can be mathematically proven through techniques in a normal grad level physical chemistry course, which is derived ultimately from physics
of course, it would take a while
>>337650163
this is true
>game uses the term "frost" instead of ice in 90% of cases
>shadowfrost is an element
>>337650146
name 15 elementsno google faggot
>>337650030
You're joking right?
Mitosis at the microlevel is just chemistry
Chemistry at the microlevel is just physics
They are abstractions to describe higher level phenomena that would be impossible to understand if looked at in that scope.
>>337650131
You need to re-assess your definition of the word "wrong"
>>337649179
>chemistry is a soft science
Nigger, that's not what "soft science" means. Soft science is colloquial for social science. Hard science is colloquial for natural science. Chemistry is a natural science, ergo, it is hard science.
>>337650289
>>337650030
of course, mitosis still isn't fully understood, which is why we have meme-tier fields like biology to dumb it down for brainlets by reducing it to le interphase, prophase, prometaphase, metaphase, etc
>>337650268
And logic is using your brain, and using your brain is biology, and biology is just applied physics, and physics is just applied math, and so on and so forth.
>>337650268
oh my god. ITS TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN
>>337650342
Not him, but I'll give it a shot.
Hydrogen, Helium, Sodium, Gold, Silver, Platinum, Carbon, Oxygen, Chlorine, Fluorine, Nitrogen, Magnesium, Iron, Mercury, Silicon.
>>337650342
hydrogen, helium, lithium, beryllium, carbon, oxygen, silicon, nitrogen, iron, sodium, potassium, magnesium, manganese, boron, platinum, arsenic, tin, zinc, copper, chromium, aluminum, titanium, francium
>>337642915
Oh yeah...
>>337650460
and you need to re-assess your definition of the word "element"
>HUUURR DUUR I CAN'T INTO CLASSICAL AND ABSTRACT ELEMENTS
>MY HIGHSCHOOL CHEMISTRY EDUCATION IS BETUR
>I WIN INTERNETS ARGUMENT
Autism the thread.
>>337650473
that's a meme definition propagated by retards that want to convince themselves that their major is rigorous.
talk to any physics professor or physics student about the "other hard sciences" and they'll just laugh and laugh. chem majors are the butt of many jokes, but not as much as bio majors.
yes, physics profs and lecturers shit talk chemistry, at least here at UCI, and rightfully so
>>337650131
>>Fantasy
>>Not a matter of opinion
Sure thing buddy
>>337650637
So I take it you feel right at home here?
>>337643051
this anon called it.
>>337644364
holy shit, why are these comics so good?
>>337650656
it isn't.
>frost and ice are two different elements
Actually I only know one game that did this. It still pissed me off.
>>337650646
And all the business majors laugh at Science. Half the time in school, a quarter the effort, yet triple the pay and hire rate!
>>337650623
I have. The word I am using which is spelled e l e m e n t has nothing to do with the periodic table or the constituents that compose reality and it is perfectly valid to use the word in this way, just as b o w can mean part of a boat or a weapon to shoot arrows.
>>337643363
Where has wind and flying been considered separated things.
And if they are, how do they manage to make them look different?
>>337650932
your definition was wrong when it was invented thousands of years ago, and it's just as wrong today.
>>337650850
what game?
I know WoW uses frost for everything, but I can't think of one that would use both
>>337650930
>Business Major
>Jobs
kek
>>337650309
Fatima?
>>337650930
this is also a meme, unless you go to a top 3, or are doing math, econ, or cs on the side
t. around many business majors. only 2 made 100k+ starting, and they went to Ivies.
>>337651067
It was Magicka. The main different was frost was a spray and slowed and ice was more physical and did more damage.
>>337650850
DC Universe Online already has Ice as a power since the release, and they will be implementing the Water power.
>>337651062
Prove it.
>>337651062
Words are not logical or objective, they are contrived. The definition of a word cannot be wrong once it is adapted and put to use for thousands of years. The formation of language is descriptive not prescriptive.
>>337651083
shadowfrost is the damage type for a bunch of death knight spells in WoW
>>337651062
Alright. Well, you did it.
You've bested him, or should I say, each other. At this point, you're just going back in forth in a rather boring manner, just arguing semantics over the word "element." and I'm getting tired. Now, you better buckle down because I'm about to join the fray. It's like they always say, cut a snake off and two more take its place. You may be a little confused. You see, I've been watching this little exchange that you too have been having, with great interest. You had great chemistry, I'll concede to that. It was entertaining, really. You see, these past months have been oh so very boring for me. Nothing captures my interest anymore. I lead a monotonous life, surrounded by utter troglodytes at my job at Best Buy. I hate the modern world so much, but I'm helpless to change it. Watching and reading shitposts and arguments on /v/ are one of the only things keeping me sane. So, you may be wondering why I'm even responding to you. Well, you two ended the argument prematurely, before something truly interesting could blossom from it.
So, I've decided to take his place. Be warned, though he was easy prey, I won't be so foolish. This will be one of many tests on the these boards, a fight for survival against an intellectual equal. I won't go easy on you, and I hope you do the same for me. Be advised, I'm transferring from a community college to UC Santa Cruz in Philosophy and Neuroscience, so I'm fairly well-equipped for battle.
And so, let us begin. Your move.
>>337641839
>2016
>Not understanding solvents and polar molecules
Nigga I know the diff and I skipped chemistry in high school.
>>337651076
>>337651132
You both grossly over-estimate pay rates, and demand for Physics majors. Unless you go into engineering, you're going to be flipping burgers.
That is okay though. Once you're done your undergrad you will see.
>>337650804
Dude come on, we get it, you're retarded. No need to slap me in the face with it.
>>337651339
In WoW multi-schools deal their damage as one or the other for each enemy hit based on their lowest resistance.
However, no matter which school it actually deals damage in it still benefits from damage bonuses from any school.
Kinda weird, just wanted to point it out.
>>337651192
wasn't it cold?
like frost was just cold magic, but ice was actual physical frozen water
>>337651364
>that you too have
Two*Three*
>>337651457
That's okay I am in engineering
>>337651229
you can observe it for yourself. pour acid on to a rock. it dissolves into its component elements.
electrolyze water. it dissociates into its component elements.
air is a little trickier; you'll need strong UV radiation.
fire isn't even matter; it's light and heat, which you can prove by combusting matter in a sealed environment. (it'll have the same weight before and after)
>>337651535
Yeah you're probably right, it's been years since I played that game last.
>>337651521
I know how it works, it's just a funny name (along with the super edgy "shadowflame" and the completely nonsensical "spellsurge")
>>337651457
and you grossly overestimate pay rates for the average business major
i never brought up pay rates or demand for physics grads
and I'm double-majoring in CS, anyway
>>337651241
wrong. a definition is correct if it corresponds to reality. the classical definition of "element" does not correspond to reality.
>>337651598
We are not talking about any of those things though.
We are talking about schools of magic and the habitats of monsters.
>>337641839
Maybe you should start playing Suikoden OP?
>>337651364
That is one of the most autistic things i've ever read. I love it. Thank you for posting it,it made me laugh.
>>337651598
That's not what you're proving. You just posted an unrelated tangent that is irrelevant to your argument. You are proving that over two thousand years ago, the greeks understood the concept of atoms. Go on, show me the ancient pottery depicting this, proving your claim. I will wait.
>>337651364
i hope for your sake that was copypasta, holy cringe
>>337651468
stay wrong bro.
>>337651639
Don't forget chaos, which deals all schools and physical damage.
>>337651757
>prove that these things are elements
>here's how you can observe certain substances being broken down into other substances, indicating that they are not elements
>lol nope not proof
also, you seem to be confused. i'm showing that two thousand years ago, the greeks didn't understand the concept of atoms. that's the point. that's why they were wrong.
I mean senpai, if everybody and everything is wrong than clearly nothing is right either so we're in a gray area where anything can be anything and it wouldn't matter because it'll wrong anyway
>>337651959
No, you specifically said the definition was wrong 2000+ years ago. In order for your statement to be correct, the greeks, or Mesopotamians if you prefer, understood the concept of the atom, strong and weak nuclear forces, and molecules. You said they did, now you must prove it. Show me the ancient pottery depicting this.
>>337651680
So if I use words that do not correspond to reality you won't be able to understand what I'm saying correct? The below should just look like gibberish and scribbles to you then
magic
ghosts
god
satan
zombies
lightsaber
goblin
No you do understand what I'm saying because these words have definitions despite being fictional concepts. A word is just a shortcut to evoking a concept, which may or may not correspond to reality. And some words correspond to multiple concepts.
You cannot win, you're already running out of steam.
>>337651959
>the greeks didn't understand the concept of atoms
In the 5th century B.C.E., Leucippus and his pupil Democritus proposed that all matter was composed of small indivisible particles called atoms, in order to reconcile two conflicting schools of thought on the nature of reality.
>>337652163
they were wrong because they didn't understand atoms. i don't know how to make this any clearer for you.
>>337652213
those aren't assertions, so they don't have truth values. try again.
>>337652452
Words are not the same thing as their meanings
>>337652232
propose != understand. they did not have a functioning atomic theory.
>>337652452
No, they had to understand atoms to be wrong. It's not that hard to understand, I can't possibly make this any clearer to you unless you want me to use one syllable words.
YOU show ME old greek pot with small bit know work.
>>337652556
All language is not an assertion.
>>337652642
It was plenty functional, unlike the autists in this thread.
>>337652625
that was very relevant, good contribution.
>>337652761
correct. that's why a list of words can't be assigned a truth value.
>>337652768
no it wasn't. the theory did not accurately describe atoms, nor did it predict behavior.
fire, water, earth, lightning, ice etc. are NOT ELEMENTS.
HERE ARE THE ONLY ELEMENTS THAT EXIST YOU FUYCKING IDIOTS.
>>337652880
The truth value is assigned to the concept, not the language
You are conflating the definition of the word element with the concept behind the word element and asserting that your truth values are therefore correct.
And you are wrong because you are evaluating the wrong values and declaring it true.
Congrats, you fail your discrete math class, math autist.
>>337653034
>all me
>>337653034
I know he is using intentional logical fallacies and being autistic on purpose so at this point it's just a battle of attrition.
>>337653114
you can't even prove that they're elements
and they're not the only "elements" that exist
>>337653114
>Being a Flerovium mage
>>337653130
no part of what you just said was coherent.
an element is any group of one or more protons with zero or more neutrons surrounded by one or more electrons. that's it. all other definitions are wrong.
>>337653114
but these are elements
see
>>337653238
ah yes, the fallacy of "shit that has been conclusively proven true for literally over one hundred years"
>>337653402
Those are types you fucking nimrod.
>>337653385
>surrounded by electrons
lmao brainlet
it's an electron cloud, not individual electrons
individual electrons are a meme
>>337653284
they are all the elements that have been observed to exist. we don't know if those are the only ones that can exist, but we can predict the properties of the ones we haven't discovered yet.
>>337653524
Which is synonymous with elements
>>337653538
>surrounded by electrons
>this somehow implies individual electrons
top kek
>>337653524
Which are a "type" of element.
>>337653624
false.7
>>337653645
>surrounded by electrons
>this somehow implies individual electrons
it does
they're not surrounded by electrons, anyway
take a physical chem class
>>337653731
truth.11
>>337653739
electrons exist in proximity to the nucleus. therefore, they surround it. whether or not they exist discretely at any given location is irrelevant.
(the distinction will be lost on most of the people in this thread anyway, since they seem to have dropped out in the fifth grade)
>>337653385
To illustrate this, the only reason you are confused is because we are speaking in English. In a different language the word which means Element (referring to the elements of a periodic table) and the word which means element (referring to types of magic) might have completely different words and thus your argument loses its ground entirely as we are no longer talking about remotely related concepts nor do they share the same word.
You are conflating language and concept. You are dumb. Kill yourself child.
>>337653792
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=type+synonym&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
nope
>>337653864
doesn't matter what language we're speaking in. fire, water, etc are not elements.
funny that you're so upset about this tho
>>337653926
>client=opera
>>337650490
>logic
>using your brain
A better definition is that logic means laws that govern existence, which are found by the mind
>>337654017
>not masking your browser type
>>337653926
However, in the Pokemon universe, types are indeed elements as fantasy wise, they follow many fantasy elements as well as their own.
Ergo
type = element
>>337654142
i know, that's why the pokemon universe is wrong.
>>337650342
Here's 16.
Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Darkness, Light, Electricity, Energy, Ice, Weather, Aether, Nether, Cosmic, Gravity, Space, Time.
>>337654120
>using google to begin with
>pretending you know how to mask a browser when you're using google
>>337653995
But they are 四大元素
which is not the same as げんそ, and as you should know, a logical argument should be true irrespective of language.
>>337654207
It doesn't matter if it's "wrong"
It's a fantasy universe, that means it's right in itself.
It's kinda sad someone like you can't understand fantasy and reality
are you on the spectrum?
>>337654273
exactly the quality of reasoning expected of this thread
>>337654207
Prove the ancient pokegreeks knew what atoms, strong and weak nuclear force, and molecules are.
>>337654340
"right in itself" is a meaningless phrase.
tantrum all you want; your imaginary make believe universe is wrong.
>>337654257
>cosmic
>gravity
>space
>time
>energy
Time and energy aren't elements and the others are the same thing.
>>337648686
Jesus Christ man, I've never seen someone get this assmad over something so insignificant.
>>337654364
>getting BTFO so hard you get this assblasted over pictures of laughing women
>>337654448
>"right in itself" is a meaningless phrase.
But that's wrong
>tantrum all you want;
lmao i'm not the autist who can't comprehend fantasy elements and shat all over a thread completely in the process
>>337654516
heh, you're already accusing other people of being mad
you're like a parody of yourself
>>337654561
>shat all over a thread completely
To be fair without his dedication this thread wouldn't have had a fraction of the replies it did.
>>337654561
"right in itself" doesn't mean anything. a thing is either true, or it isn't.
Prove that earth, wind, fire, and water are not 四大元素
>>337653114
>HERE ARE THE ONLY ELEMENTS THAT EXIST
How do you KNOW that? Other elements could exist really far out in the universe. Shows how much you know. Better luck next time, kid.
>>337654608
>I'm n-not mad y-you are!
I'm not the one that literally posted a google search, using Opera, no less, as a substitute for an argument.
>>337654671
And types in the Pokemon universe are elements
which is a truth,
meaning they're elements.
>>337654707
read a science textbook.
>>337654787
A science textbook would not have anything about 四大元素 in it.
>>337654787
show me which science textbook has the characters 四大元素 in it.
>read a science textbook that doesn't exist
is what you're saying until you do so.
>>337654737
any element heavier than those already discovered is too unstable to exist naturally for more than a tiny fraction of a second. this has been proven to be true; elemental properties follow a predictable pattern.
heavier elements may exist, but if they do, it is quantities so small as to be irrelevant to humans.
>>337654257
I almost thought you were talking about the Elements card game for a second there.
>>337654852
If matter is composed of elements, does that not mean antimatter is composed of antielements? why aren't antielements on the periodic table? is dark matter composed of dark elements?
>>337654841
Do the characters have to be in that exact arrangement or will you take a book that just has those four characters in it somewhere?
>>337654759
keep posting images, they're definitely not making you look like a cringy tryhard.
This farce is over, he can't continue.
*teleports behind you*
"Better luck next time kid"
>>337654986
it has to be in that exact arrangement. That's like saying 'will you take a textbook that has 'female empowerment' in it as a substitute for elements?
>>337654767
the pokemon universe is wrong.
>>337654986
>do the letters F A G have to be in that exact arrangement or will you take a book that has those 3 characters in it somewhere
>>337654515
No ones assmad but you.
>>337655049
I'm just double checking. Why do something the hard way if you can game the system?
>>337654841
you mean any chinese textbook that mentions the history of chemistry? i'm not familiar with china's education system; maybe they leave this out.
>>337653840
Electrons do exist discretely at a given location at a discrete moment in time. They just don't exist discretely at a given location in general.
>>337643115
>No game just has "heat" as an element
Kingdom of Loathing
>>337641839
>fire is an element but ice cant be
>water is the odd one out not ice
>>337655065
The pokemon universe has its own laws, which are correct
meaning it is right.
>>337655170
I'm still waiting for that textbook, why are you posting useless fluff instead of looking for it?
>>337654946
the periodic table lists normal matter only, since those are the elements that scientists (and normal people) encounter on a regular basis.
antimatter elements are difficult to study for obvious reasons, although anti-helium at least has been synthesized (in 2011), and possibly others have been since then.
not enough is known about dark matter to say one way or the other.
>>337645417
gravity is a feature of the spacetime continuum
>>337655282
its laws are wrong.
>>337655452
Fictional, not wrong
To say they are wrong is wrong.
>>337655308
you mean why am i not spending time looking for an obvious red herring meant to derail the conversation?
let's assume that no such book exists. so what?
>>337655452
Its laws are correct.
>>337655371
does that mean that there are more elements than what are on the periodic table?
>>337655508
grass is not an element. it's wrong.
>>337655535
If no such book exists, then you assertion is wrong, and you just wasted the past 2 hours essentially saying 'nuh uh I can't hear you!' instead of proving you are correct. So, what is it going to be? are you going to find me that textbook? Or are you going to admit you were wrong?
>>337655452
And our laws are wrong according to Pokemon world
>>337655573
possibly; but that doesn't mean that fire is an element, or that any of the things that video games call elements are elements. this argument is a dead end.
>>337655539
a claim without evidence is dismissed without evidence.
>>337655703
what about dark matter? If in the extremely unlikely event it's composed of darkeon, and video games have a dark element, wouldn't that mean that video games are at least partially right? We don't know enough about dark matter one way or the other, right?
>>337653385
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/element
Element
1.
a component or constituent of a whole or one of the parts into which a whole may be resolved by analysis.
2.
Chemistry. One of a class of substances that cannot be separated into simpler substances by chemical means. See also chart under periodic table.
A concept can have multiple definitions depending on the context, "guagua" in Chile means "baby" while in Cuba it refers to a transport bus
Your definition is right in a scientific context but it doesn't necessarily apply to all cases
It's all semantics, but we need to have the same understanding of these concepts to allow fluid communication, that's the purpose of a dictionary: to teach consensual definitions and meanings
>>337655535
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_of_discourse
Get fucked.
/thread
>>337655690
wrong about what? what does the existence or non-existence of such a book show?
>>337655690
He is a lost cause, anon.
>>337655791
I did provide evidence, you didn't against it.
>>337655818
unless a video game were to propose an internally consistent theory that completely explains what dark matter is, and predicts its behavior accurately and precisely, then no.
>>337655861
I can't understand your admission of surrender, anon, you have to say it clearly. quote this, if you have to:
"I could not find the book like you asked me to, and I acknowledge that you are correct and I was wrong because of this. I am sorry I spent the last two hours acting like a petulant child."
>>337655834
>/threading your own post
Biggest wanker in this thread. That really takes effort.
>>337655823
the scientific definition is the only one that matters. all others are ambiguous fluff, and are to be disregarded as such.
>>337655861
It shows that you are trying to make a conclusion based on logical assumptions which are not equivalent.
四大元素 =/= げんそ
You can not make logical conclusions about 四大元素 when your assumption is about げんそ.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_of_discourse
>>337655925
"yes huh" is not evidence.
>>337653385
What? Element can mean different things. How about you open a dictionary for once in your lifetime? I guess you were never taught what is a language and what are words.
what element are you???
>>337655928
so, let's go to a different medium here, if an ancient pottery image predicts there is an element lighter than air, and that a substance that was filled with this element could eventually overcome gravity, they've essentially predicted hydrogen and helium, does it make them wrong because they did not describe the atomic process and structure of those atoms?
>>337655962
you'll need to actually have a position before i can argue against.
you still haven't stated what the existence of a book containing a grouping of chinese characters which translates to "four elements" implies.
>>337656101
Earth Virgo reporting
What would win if the two collided; a sun made of suns or a sun made of ice suns?
>>337656101
>Ophiuchus
The fucking avatar, I guess.
>>337656128
It implies that the element you are talking about is not the same thing as the element we are talking about so you are not proving anything
>>337656061
there are multiple definitions, but only one that matters.
>>337642790
post more, this is gold
>>337656101
According to that chart, Air. But I'm Australian so Cancer, obviously.
>>337656101
How the fuck is aquarius not water?
>>337655990
>the scientific definition is the only one that matters. all others are ambiguous fluff, and are to be disregarded as such
Are you fucking kidding me? You really can't grasp what is the point of language, can you?
>>337656148
They'd collide and form into a sun made of water and dirt, creating the earth.
>>337656128
Come on anon, just admit you are wrong, everyone else in this thread concurs, you just need to put it in words. concede defeat. Here, I will even put down the words you need to quote again. I'll even accept greentext, so you can pretend in your mind that you actually won, even though you lost horribly.
"I could not find the book like you asked me to, and I acknowledge that you are correct and I was wrong because of this. I am sorry I spent the last two hours acting like a petulant child."
>>337656045
i'm assuming that you're trying to imply that there is some significant difference between "four elements" and "element". and doing so in a different language, for whatever reason.
this isn't relevant to the discussion. fire is not, and has never been, an element. scream at me in moon runes until you're blue in the face, it won't make your argument any stronger.
>>337656209
Matters according to whom? According to you? I'm sorry to inform you, you are not the only person in this world.
>>337656279
such humble beginnings...
>>337641839
>magic
>isn't just the end result of casual application and manipulation of unified forces
>>337656105
if i tell you unicorns are real, are you going to believe me just because i wrote the words down?
pokemon's laws are wrong.
>>337656428
The words are there,
making them a truth.
Meaning to deny their existence would be wrong.
>>337656291
>everyone else in this thread concurs
So because 103 idiots all agree on something wrong, it must be true? Pretty sure that's not how science works.
>>337656117
they are correct to the extent their theory is accurate.
in any case, this is irrelevant to the discussion, which is that the theory of the classical elements is demonstrably false. which it is.
If no domain of discourse has been identified, a proposition such as ∀x (x2 ≠ 2) is ambiguous. If the domain of discourse is the set of real numbers, the proposition is false, with x = √2 as counterexample; if the domain is the set of naturals, the proposition is true, since 2 is not the square of any natural number
If no domain of discourse has been identified, a proposition such as Earth, Wind, Fire, Water = Elements is ambiguous. If the domain of discourse is the set of periodic elements, the proposition is false; if the domain is the set of classical elements, the proposition is true, since a fictitious universe can be a domain.
>>337656209
>Only my definition is right, everyone else's definition is wrong.
Are you a child?
>>337656206
the element you're talking about is not an element. there is only one correct definition. context doesn't matter.
>>337656101
Fire masterrace.
>>337656507
You still can't say it? Ara ara, you seem to be a sore loser. Once more. You can even spoiler it if you want, if that makes it easier to say than greentext.
"I could not find the book like you asked me to, and I acknowledge that you are correct and I was wrong because of this. I am sorry I spent the last two hours acting like a petulant child."
>>337656291
state an argument.
>Fire type enemies are weak to Ice
>not weak to Water
>>337656604
I will literally strangle you to death with my bare hands and kill your whole family
>>337656502
okay. unicorns are real.
the words are there, so it's true.
denying their existence would be wrong.
>>337656670
You are wrong. <-the argument. Now go dig up that textbook and prove that I am wrong, instead of you. or, just admit defeat. Here:
"I could not find the book like you asked me to, and I acknowledge that you are correct and I was wrong because of this. I am sorry I spent the last two hours acting like a petulant child."
>>337656670
>state an argument.
You can state deez.
>>337656658
>acting like a petulant child
Pot. Kettle.
>>337656604
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_of_discourse
>>337656752
Exactly,
since pokemon types are elements
that is a truth, to deny that would be wrong!
>>337656812
Still waiting on that textbook. Pls find it for me, you said it exists :(
>>337656752
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn_(finance)
You didn't define a domain of discourse
>>337656747
301-399 W Maple St, Rawlins, WY 82301
i wish you would try.
>>337656889
I'll e-mail it to you. I don't want other people to know about it. It's a very hush-hush book the Communists have tried to destroy multiple times. I can't risk having one of their spies in this thread.
>>337642915
Well nigger neither is half the other shit. Or have I forgot about the fucking ghost and psychic mines in Russia. Or the process of refining grass.
>>337656783
that's not an argument. try again.
>>337656604
>there is only one correct definition
That doesn't even make sense? Do you understand the word "definition"?
>>337656973
>yank
Why am I not surprised?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Element
>Exists in reality
>Is not on the periodic table of the elements
Prove this is not an Element
>>337656101
Darkness
How bored can you guys possibly be to feed this guy for so long?
>>337657020
http://www.serc.si.edu/labs/phytoplankton/pdfs/RefiningSAVHabitat.pdf
so Habitat is an element?
>>337657171
it can be broken down further by chemical reactions into its constituent atoms.
>>337657127
Sent. You should get pdf of it soon. Scan quality is a little rough because the book is treasure and I can't spit the spine to scan it properly.
>>337657253
It is an Element, that is what it's called
>>337657047
[ahr-gyuh-muh nt]
Synonyms
Examples
Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun
1.
an oral disagreement; verbal opposition; contention; altercation:
literally the 1st definition :')
>>337656604
Dictionaries disagree with you, "element" has multiple definitions. Besides, a open definition allows a concept to be used in various contexts
>>337657292
that's its brand name. that's not what it is. stop pretending to be stupid.
>>337654707
>四大元素
>not στοιχεῖον, 五行 or 五大
There's FIVE elements, at least three ancient civilizations agree, and of those five, Earth, Fire, and Water are the ones that always show up.Wu Xing best elements.
>>337657274
HAHAHAHAAHHHAJHAAHAAA I just trikced you into doxxing the CEO if facebook! NOw you're in trouble, the FBI is gonna get yuo!
>>337657341
>ancient civilizations
is that where you get all your scientific knowledge from? top kek
>>337657330
Good. Now what is the difference between a brand name and "what it is"?
>>337657371
>doxxing
No, I sent him a legitmate scan of an obscure Chinese text book. I wonder what the hell he'll make of it. Maybe a little hat, or flower, or if he uses scissors maybe even a string of dollies.
This thread is really awful I hope you guys stub your toes.
>>337657434
you can stop pretending to be a philosopher.
it's a car, called by the name "element". it is composed of many elements.
>>337653114
>>337653034
where's a pic of that krautchan/finnish asperger's guy
>>337657505
>It's a type of magic, called by the name "element".
Congrats, you've proven yourself wrong and you finally understand.
>>337657505
a car is composed of many cars? that's silly and illogical. you are a silly and illogical person.
Why are they called grass-types when they really should be called plant-types?
>>337648531
to be fair when marle uses ice magic against copycat enemies they respond with a water magic attack
her magic also counts as water-type for the purpose of surpassing barriers
>>337657565
it's a type of magic, called by the name "element", that is not an element.
congrats, you've shown that your argument is even stupider than i thought it was.
God, did I fucking go to Wonderlandchan? How many turns does it take to make a left?
>>337657585
Because they're not all plants. I mean look at (winter) deerling, that's a deer or something. hell, even in gen 1 there were eggs.
>>337655006
arguing on the internet definetly isn't making you look like a cringy tryhard
>>337657683
Bout three fiddy sideways northsouth
>>337657574
>le intentional obtuseness meme
>>337644898
>earth, metal, wood, fire, and air
It's earth, metal, wood, fire and WATER you dumbass.
>>337657669
>it's a type of magic, called by the name "element", that is not an element.
Correct! The elements of magic are not the periodic elements! That's true! They are however still called by that name! Yes! Good anon!
>>337657725
eh, it's a living
>>337657740
>I don't know what the definition of obtuse is
not surprising, considering you don't know what an element is
>confuse and berserk both make you attack your party members
>petrify and paralyze are both permanent until cured
>>337657818
yes, that's why calling them "elements" is wrong. because they're not elements.
no amount of condescension will make you less wrong.
>>337657841
I really really like thisangle
>Water puts out Fire, which burns out Air, which weathers Earth, which absorbs Water.
>Light and Dark are both sides of the same coin, and take and recieve more damage from their other, and reduced damaged from itself.
>There is a neutral element and at least one special element.
Objectively the best elemental weakness/strength cycle.
Prove me wrong.
Show your work.
>>337657926
>believing in angles
heh, silly kid,,,, one day you'll grow up and realize god is a myth,,,, just like his angles,,,,,
>>337657901
>yes, that's why calling a Honda Element an "Element" is wrong.
>yes, that's why calling a human "Angel" is wrong.
Yes, yes, go on, keep digging
>>337658086
if "fire" was a substance's brand name, your argument would work, but that's not the case. the writers are implying that these things are literally elements. which they're not.
>>337658032
Where does muscle fit into your system?
>>337658032
Counterpoint: any system that uses a rock-paper-scissors system is inferior to pokemon's clusterfuck element chart, which is itself inferior to 2humon's element chart. Proof: not a single knockoff of pokemon has surpassed the original. 2humon is the hardest pokemon ROMhack without resorting to unleveling(?) the playing field.
>>337658079
Shouldn't you be on /pol/ complaining about how degenerate bikinis are or something?
>>337658079
I was making a pun on the 'angle' of argumentative attack by conflating the descriptor obtuse with the mathematical obtuse which is effectively turning the element argument against him and the fact it was also an actual 'angle' being used.
>>337658196
No that isn't the implication as they are functionally separate concepts, one of which does not exist in reality, and the other of which does not exist in the fictional domain.
>>337658282
/pol/ is christian. /v/ is the fedora-tipping heathens. Muh wholesome christian values and all that.
>>337658210
Quite possibly a neutral.
wait for it...
>>337658370
doesn't matter. an object can have any extraneous label attached to it; that doesn't change what we mean when we refer to it.
on the other hand, when pokemon calls grass an element, it's not a label. it's literally saying that grass is an element. which is wrong.
>>337658536
>it's literally saying that grass is an element
No it isn't
>>337658626
yes, it is.
>>337658536
point out the word element in this picture, preferably circling it.
>>337658653
Prove it
>Games has elements.
>Not states of matter
B.E.C's
Solids
Liquids
Gases
Plasma
Seems like everyone here is a bitout of their element, huh?
>>337658660
so you admit that "type" doesn't mean "element".
which means that the substances in pokemon aren't elements, which is the whole point.
>>337658771
BUILD WALL REMOVE SPIC
>>337658771
That's wrong, I cannot be out of "my element" because I do not possess an element to be out of
Anything which you might be describing is not an element
Ice is best element
>>337658807
wrong, it's right here and here.
>>337656251
It's the hipster sign, anon.
Same with all Virgo males being pathetic autists and all Virgo females are turbosluts.
Anything else to add shitpost-kun?
>>337658956
ok, then they're simply wrong. (assuming you mean that "type" is being used to mean "element" here.)
>>337658867
You're made out of water,
water is a combination of hydrogen and oxygen, two elements.
Ergo, water is an element.
You're not in water right now, are you?
Meaning, you're out of your element.
>>337659102
Prove they do not fit at least one (1) definition of element. To reiterate, you must disprove that the pokemon elements don't actually meet any of all of the definitions of element.
>>337659203
i need only prove that they don't fit the only true, correct definition of element, i.e. the only one that matters. which i already have.
>>337659283
There is more than one definition of element, your statement was that it fits zero (0) of these definitions. You have disproved one (1) of the definitions. You still have more to go. Commence disproving now.
I'm bored now
Just FYI I hope you're intentionally being dense and stupid or else you will never succeed in life. It's too bad you couldn't keep up with your argument in a way that was convincing once you were presented with facts outside of your limited scope of knowledge. You spent all that time and didn't even win the argument. :( I was even playing video games at the same time!
Keep it up and one day you might really be a true autist. Bye!
>>337643184
>>337643423
What the fuck is smolder? All I find on Google is the guy from tangled doing a magnum
>>337659394
You've earned it.
>>337659430
Forgot pic
Why are people even continuing to fuel the troll? It should have been obvious to everyone, when he started to ignore the fact that a word can have different definitions and meanings
>>337659367
my statement was that it does not fit the correct definition of element, and has been since the beginning. keep trying to redefine the argument to suit yourself, lemme know how that works out.
>>337659509
there is only one correct definition of element, and there will only ever be one, no matter how much you cry about it.
>>337659509
Because this thread is fucking hilarious.
>>337659524
Psst, I only got into this thread 20 posts ago. I just latched on to the reply chain. I haven't redefined shit. You must prove that it fits zero (0) definitions of element. If not, you must admit you lost. Take your pick.
>>337659509
Words can't have anything because words are not sentient living things with an understanding of the concept of ownership.
>>337659628
no, i don't. you don't determine the terms of the argument.
>>337659509
He's putting in effort which is more than I can say for the majority of /v/ posters.
>>337659686
Yes, I do. I said that pokemon fits the definition of element. There are over 5 definitions of element. You said it fit none. You must now prove that it does not fit the remaining definitions.
>>337659663
tell me what this word means:
bow
>>337659604
But that is wrong. You are just ignoring every other definition of that word to suit you.
>>337659851
Bow. Bent. As in get bent.
>>337659774
point out where i said it fit none.
please, keep telling me what i "must" do, as if you have any authority over anyone.
>>337659918
nope, i am using the only true definition of the word.
>>337660026
see >>337659102
unless that's not you. If that's not you, why are you taking up the mantle of king autist? if it is you, you must now prove that pokemon do not fit the remaining definitions of element. I defined the argument, my argument is correct according to the definition, you disagreed, you must now disprove it.
>>337655416
This. Gravity is just an aspect of the medium our universe is made on. It isn't really its own thing, but how we perceive the space-time in real time.
>>337660175
But that's wrong you inbred hick, gravity is a wave.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/feb/11/gravitational-waves-discovery-hailed-as-breakthrough-of-the-century
>>337660142
there is no statement in that post that reads "does not fit any of the definitions of element (including the ones that are incorrect)". try again.
>>337660385
It is inferred with the words,
>ok, then they're simply wrong
unless you're trying to tell me that sentence means that pokemon DO fit the definition of element, and you are agreeing with me. take your pick, it's one or the other.
>>337660079
No, you're ignoring other definitions of the word.
>>337660551
pokemon "types" do not fit the only true definition of "element". this has been my position since the beginning of the thread.
you can stop trying to brute force a win, by the way. it's just making you look desperate.
>>337660697
And he's ignoring them because he says they're wrong. Telling him "but there's other definitions" will just result in "and they're wrong" being the response. You're arguing with a troll and it's making you look like an idiot who can't learn.
>>337660804
yes, that was your argument, and you won spectacularly. Now, my argument is that it fits the definition of element. YOU are trying to prove me wrong. so far, you have only proved one (1) definition wrong, and you still have more than four (4) to go. get started, the thread's going to 404 and you're going to lose to me, proving that pokemon are indeed elements. It will haunt you for the rest of your days.
>>337660804
>only true definition of "element"
This makes no sense.
>>337660998
i never argued that it doesn't fit the incorrect definitions. work on your reading comprehension.
>>337660262
>waves in spacetime
>reference Einstein and relativity
It's literally just a more accurate/now proven version.
Also, city-dwellers are scum.
>>337661105
Prove that other definitions are wrong.
>>337661105
in that case, you can admit you lost and that I am correct. Since you agree with me that they do fit the definition of element.
>>337661168
Burden of proof is on you dipshit,
>>337661174
except that they don't. it's hilarious watching you ineffectually trying to "force" people to agree with you.
>>337661276
Oh, so you're arguing that they dont. Prove it. you have over four (4) definitions to go.
>>337660818
At a certain point you just have to marvel at the irony. That he's getting so frustrated by this guy that he's convinced is am idiot, when anyone with half a brain can instantly recognize that it doesn't warrant a response. Trolls really do bring out a certain breed of self-righteous stupid people.
>>337661318
nope, just the one.
>>337661352
that's not my argument, you don't get to dictate the terms of my argument. You can concede defeat if you want, or you can prove the remaining four (4). take your pick. either way, I win.
>>337661223
What? If you look up the definitions of the word element, you get a lot of different meanings. The burden of proof is on you to disprove that people are using the word element in wrong way, you autistic fuck.
>>337661425
your argument is irrelevant; the other 4 definitions don't matter. done having your tantrum yet?
>>337661552
>you get a lot of different meanings.
Which are all wrong. It;s like talking to a brick wall here. And you say I have the tism? You've a full spectrum warrior.
>>337661604
At this point this post is a victory lap, if my argument is irrelevant, why are you arguing it? you'd ignore it if it was. Fact of the matter is, you hate that you've lost, but you can't prove me wrong.
>>337661637
>Which are all wrong
Are you the creator of every word in every language or a God? Who the fuck you think you are to define words how you want?
>>337661719
>Are you the creator of every word in every language or a God?
Yes. What's your excuse?
>>337661673
i'm not arguing at all. i'm trying to help you understand. but it's like talking to a child.
>>337661849
The only thing you've helped me understand is that you're a sore loser. unless you want to finally take a crack at proving me wrong?
>>337661673
Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded.
>>337659851
bend? kneel down? the bow of a violin? a bowtie before its tied?
>>337661780
I'm one of the Gods.
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