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>>337555236
>not grass crest/deep axe
You fucked up
>>337555236
>image.jpg
>fallen knight setits good but i always knew it would be overused
>overlevelled
>dark sword
>katana
>praise the sunbros lolXD
What did I miss?
>tfw Dark Souls 2, the worst Souls game, is the only one with worthwhile dual-wielding
>tfw DSIII limits it to certain weapons, and goes back to the archaic system from DSI
Fucking W H Y
>>337555616
Fuck dual-wielding and fuck you. It was only for edgy dex katana fags
Now if its poise you were talking about then I would say DaS2 did something right.
>>337555809
>It's good that a system was removed despite a previous game in the series perfecting it because I don't like it
Fuck off. Personal opinion is irrelevant, the DSIII system is worse for no reason.
>>337555616
>Dark Souls 2, the worst Souls game
The best meme
>>337556245
Please explain to me how it isn't. I'm being 100% serious, I'd love to hear why you think it's better than 1 and 3.
By the way, I don't think it's bad. It's still an amazing game, just an 8 instead of a 9.
>>337556365
Easiest fucking question ever.
Though keep in mind, I like 1 more than 2.
After you see how many things 2 did better than 3, you can probably understand why I was disappointed with 3
>Ascetics, not to respawn enemies but to respawn bosses
>Able to use a weapons full moveset in the left hand
>Powerstance
>Upgrading shields actually improved their stats, not just the stability
>Depleting your stamina caused your character to breathe heavily
>You didn't lose your momentum from falling down 2 feet
>Poise wasn't as retarded as in 1 or as useless as in 3
>Really fun NPC invaders where they didn't act like just another enemy
>Interacting with the environment unlocked secrets, like lighting all the scones in The Gutter
>Other secrets like the pig and the pickaxe
>Pharros Lockstones and Fragrant Branches to manipulate the environment
>Getting wet reduced your characters lightning resistance while boosting your fire resistance
>NG+ didn't just increase enemy HP and damage, it added new enemies and items
>rolling in poison pools made your poison build up continue even on dry land because you were still covered in it
>rolling in snow/poison/water covered you in it, and it slowly disappeared
>You could activate several pools of blood at once, resulting in hilarity
>You could be invaded even if you were hollow and if the boss was dead, but at a lower chance
>You could burn an effigy to block invaders, but as a result you blocked summons as well
>Poison builds were not only viable, they were useful
>You could roll in more directions when locked on
>Hexes were fleshed out
>White phantoms couldn't Estus with an invader in the world
>Small soapstones if you wanted help with the area before a boss, without having to Black Crystal to solo the boss
I don't think 3 is bad, but mechanically inferior to 2.
>>337556538
Wow, that's actually a really convincing set of arguments. It's a shame DSIII didn't have more of this stuff.
I still prefer DSIII though, something about the way DSII plays is really unsatisfying to me, not to mention the less than stellar shortcuts and general level design.
>>337556538
the only one that bother me the fuck out is
>while buying things form NPCs, you could see how many items you had, including armor and weapons
>>337556538
uh huh, too bad DaS2 plays and looks like shit
>>337556538
>>Small soapstones if you wanted help with the area before a boss, without having to Black Crystal to solo the boss
Really though, why did that thing exist?
>>337556787
2 plays slower than 3, so I can understand the sentiment.
3 is quite literally Dark Souls 1 running on the Bloodborne engine. At times, many enemies look and act just like BB enemies.
Another thing I don't like about 3 is how linear it is. With each souls game, they've become increasingly linear.
Example: In 3, the only way to sequence break is to kill the Dancer first. This can be quite difficult at such a low level. EVEN after beating her and going through Lothric Castle, you can't enter the Archives until you've beaten 3 lords of cinder, thereby forcing you to play on the intended path.
>>337557130
Ebin
>>337557184
The item you get from completing your task as a shade can be traded to the crow, for a random item. You can get rare titanites, weapons, etc
>>337556538
Too bad soul memory makes it a shit game automatically.
>>337557265
Only if you're a hardcore PVP fag.
I love pvp and was able to have shit tons of fights and invasions in 2. I didn't have to worry about my memory, because it doesn't have a huge impact on the avg player
>>337556538
Slowass punishable estus, no estus for phantoms while being invaded and pool of bloodstains are the things I miss the most.
>>337557184
To get a shitload of those pebbles and get shit from the crows.
>>337555236
f-fuck you too
>>337557259
>Kill Dancer first
>Get to the Archives
>CAN'T ENTER FOR SOME REASON UNTIL I'VE KILLED EACH OF THE OTHER LORDS
What were they thinking?
>>337557109
who is this?
>>337557542
I thought of yet another complaint
>No Blue Eye Orb for bluebros, despite "sin" being in the game. Sin doesn't mean anything in 3.
This is some real hack-tier game design
>>337555236
>washing pole
hipster faggot fucking weeb nigger get the fuck out of my superior game
>dark sword
fucking meme-using piece of shit fucking kill yourself get some skill faggot and use a real weapon
whats wrong with the fallen knight set?
>>337557890
People like it, which means it's shit.
>>337555236
you forgot chaos fire orb
>>337555406
>black fire orb
>oj chugger
>>337557259
I killed the skull goblet boss, then I had to backtrack back to the Cathedral of the deep.
Whereas my friend did CoD first and the deacon boss before
>>337555236
>Dark sword
Get parried faggot
>Katana
Get parried faggot.
~Hornet ring's the best around, all the faggots gonna drown.
>>337556538
A few of these are sotfs/dlc exclusive like the fun NPC invasions, so it isn't fair to compare it to 3 pre-dlc
>>337557890
>other people use a thing!
>it's shit!
>>337558371
Yes it is.
3 came out after sotfs/dlc, From just didn't bother bringing it back because they fell for the "Das2 is shit" meme. They have no backbone
>>337558148
I guess the point I was trying to make is that you only have 2 options for which boss to fight first. Most of the later bosses can be fought in various orders, but only after you go on the intended starting path.
You can fight Vordt or the Dancer
The Dancer is meant to be fought after 3 lords of cinder, so it's obviously not feasible unless you do the glitch, or are a really really good player. No matter what, certain areas are blocked off even if you skip to them
>>337558564
Yes I get you, it's definitely not like DS1 where you get the choice of which Lord Soul to go for.
>>337557109
these images give me hope but not enough hope
>>337557710
Sin deaggros people you've pissed off i think
>>337555406
> he hasn't exchanged his Ashen Estus Flask for more Sunny D.
> weapon "arts"
>>337557542
If you dont know the reason...
It's an NPC you can summon for demon king and Abyss watchers and Sulyvan I think
His dead corpse is found infront of the archives after doing the bosses I guess
>>337558196
Have you seen this shit?
One-hit KO parry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcgAijQ8jsI
>>337556538
>Fist weapons are back to being garbage
>Limited titanite slabs
>Much more limited in terms of what you can infuse
I'm also annoyed that after DaS2 and Bloodborne they still havn't brought back tailcutting or something similiar.
>>337558843
That's a pretty lazy reason.
Why not just have the Dragonslayer Armor boss -drop- the key after you beat him? The fight takes place right outside the building.
Their way was just a cheap method of making sure you don't try to progress too far without going back and doing things their way.
>>337557890
Its popular, that's it, this is always the case with /v/.
>>337557265
>Too bad soul memory makes it a shit game automatically.
When will you morons stop saying that retarded shit? If SM was actually an issue PVP would be long dead.
Trigger?
>>337559903
>If SM was actually an issue PVP would be long dead.
Exactly.
Complaining about SM is like complaining about lithium ion batteries losing lifespan after each charge.
I've never ever had problems with the SM, because I didn't spend 24/7 pvp'ing
>>337559903
I mean it's definitely a shitty system that can fuck you if you don't autistically monitor your soul count. The game would be better if they just changed it to souls spent instead
But really it isnt the end of the world
>>337556538
>npc invasions
shitload of hp and/or poise
fucking no rotating midswings killed the game for free
losing max hp on death was annoying as shit, ds3 does this as well to some extent
max +10 upgrade, just give me +99 already
>>337560020
I am slightly triggered. But also confused.
>>337560121
>losing max hp on death was annoying as shit
I actually kinda liked it.
It's a throwback to Demon's Souls, but more forgiving.
It also encouraged you to stay in human form and/or not die
>>337560020
I'm still not sure if this is meant to be ironic or not.
>>337560020
>waaaaaaah responsibility WAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>337560283
>It also encouraged you to stay in human form and/or not die
Then let me bail outta boss fight.
>Againts Nameless King
>Getting a bit bored of dying right at the end
>Might as well use summons
>Spend 15 minutes trying to summon someone
>Finally get some and enter the fight
>Instantly does the undodgeable/unguardable firebreath and kills me on the spot
Guys, totally not artificial difficulty at all!
>>337560081
>it's definitely a shitty system that can fuck you if you don't autistically monitor your soul count.
But it can't. When you reach 3 million SM, your PvP bracket goes from 2 million to 9 million. The 100k souls you dropped trying to kill Darklurker doesn't actually count for shit. Even if you somehow drop 1M souls it makes almost no difference.
>>337560020
>i don't want to do laundry or have a loving spouse so i'm going to get stds and be homeless
is there a moral to the story i'm missing here
>>337560837
Basically, women are immature brats
>>337560579
>Undodgeable/unguardable firebreath
Which one? If he flies up just run the fuck away, and if he takes a step backwards and "charges" his firebreath, just make a mad dash to the side of his head.
>>337560948
When he flies, the battle just started and the camera went all spastic, tried to run away but the fire still got me, rolled, still hits me for 1/3rd hp, guard, takes all my stamina and still hits me twice and kills me, that's pretty bullshit, it's the first time i get killed like that and it's the first time i used a summon on that fight, it's like it knows when you want to cheese the fight and they just fuck you up.
>>337561173
Fromsoft are hacks when it comes to the camera on large bosses. Don't use the lock on
But yeah, most of the bosses in the game feel like they were made hard for the sake of being hard
"Prepare to die! xD"
>DaS 2 is good now in hindsight
When will this fucking forced meme end? I clocked more in DaS 2 than DaS, simply because I was a retard and spoiled a lot of DaS for myself. DaS 2 is the only souls game I've bought twice, for console on release and SoFtS for PC, and without a doubt it's the shittiest game of the bunch.
A lot of autists like it, because they like SM, adaptability, and other quality of life improvements that don't mean jack shit since the game itself plays and looks like shit. The game is slow and clunky, everything from the character movement to iframes felt like shit til you got 99 adaptability. there's not a single good fucking area in the game. Every single fucking area was mediocre at best, and Lost Izalith pre patch levels of shit for most. 360 tracking on 99% of the enemies, the worst hiboxes in the series, the worst boss fights in the series (no fucking Ivory King and Fume don't magically make up for the rest).NPC Invaders cheat, like literally cheat, not just infinite poise/hp trash, but toggle out of animations in ways the player can't. World design is absolute ass, all the areas play like absolute shit, instead of settling for just looking like shit. NPCs are all generic and forgettable with less personality than giant humanoid boss with weapon #324. Enemies every fucking where for no fucking reason, the trend of bonfires placed randomly every 2 steps started here (DaS 3 guilty of this too, just not as bad). You can have all the variety of builds, spells, and weapons in the world, it means shit all if the game plays like shit.
>>337557259
But Demon's Souls was the most linear of all was it not? I thought Demon's Souls was amazing, in terms of it's linearity. The arch stone structure made you want to push on to see what was ahead wait at the very end of the level. Linear? yes. Bad? no.
>>337561626
>Linear
After clearing 1-1, you go to 1-2, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1. or 5-1. That's more options than any other game in the series. The rest all have 3 options at most after clearing the first none tutorial boss.
>>337561626
You can literally play any of the other worlds after doing 1-1.
The game doesn't insult your intelligence by forcing you to only play world 1
If your up for the challenge, you can go to World 4 or 5.
And the neat thing is that even if you don't beat the bosses, you can pick up valuable loot on the way.
In Dark Souls 3, they went way fucking backwards with that philosophy, basically causualizing it
>>337555616
>they removed the left hand curved sword parry
>>337561452
>Do I fit in yet.
Nobody has ever said anything nice about SM.
>NPC invaders cheat
git gud
and literally everything else you said is opinion, with no legitimate criticism, other than "this is shit, this is ass.
>>337562029
Not entirely. Monastery Scimitar still can left hand parry, along with the Shotel.
>>337562269
There's no monastery scimitar in DaS3 you fucking retard
>>337558135
Whats wrong with Black Fire Orb?
It's weak as shit, not even a threat
>>337562029
It's still on certain weapons like the painting guardian scimitar.
It's really weird.
Some weapons have guard+R1 on their left handed moveset which is really lackluster and some have half-decent movesets of their own when put in the left hand.
Rapier has R1+Parry, as does the monoscim.
Dagger and Handmaid's Dagger have reversed grip when used lefthanded.
Dual wielding in DaS3 is really kind of shit in that way because it shows off that they almost had the right idea even if they didn't bring back powerstance.
At least you can twohand offhand weapons even though there's no difference between the movesets.
>>337556538
>these small quality of life improvements that are a 1 time deal in some cases, are included at the expense of better features (Ascetics, despawning enemies, invaded as hollow because SM exists) make up for a clunky system (let's tie fucking dodging to a stat in an action RPG, what could possibly fucking go wrong?)
I'm not gonna mentioned the bad world design, boss fights, hitboxes, enemy tracking, bonfire placement, or unmemorable NPCs, because you DaS 2 contrarians only spout your shit opinions than turn back and try to refute all criticism with "shit opinion".
>>337562319
Except there is.
It's in the area with the darkmoon covenant.
>>337562610
proofs?
>>337562545
>bad world design, boss fights, hitboxes, enemy tracking, bonfire placement, or unmemorable NPCs
All of these except the bad hitboxes apply to Dark Souls 3.
Not only are the NPCs shit, but their questlines are retarded as fuck
>>337562662
He's talking about the painted guardian sword
>>337562319
>>337562662
Okay, got the exact name wrong, but it's the same exact sword
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Painting%20Guardian's+Curved+Sword
>>337562785
Nope fuck off you lied and you're wrong, leave my thread now
>>337562885
>being this upset
who hurt you anon?
So besides the Black Knight sword, what other weapons are good for a quality build? Got 35 on both STR and DEX (40 with rings), tired of the Black Knight, tried twin weapons and they felt lackluster (Dancer swords, Gotthard were kinda fun, Twinspears moveset if so fucking shitty).
>>337563023
>who hurt you anon?
>>337562757
>Bad world design
Name one area transition as bad as poison swamp of literally who with sunlight covenant for no reason into lava castle of le honorable PvP.
>boss fights
Soul of Cinder, Gundyr, Watchers, and NK are better than all DaS 2 combined. Maybe if they recycle Smelter one more time they can get a decent boss fight down.
>enemy tracking
>DaS 3 has enemy tracking that bad
Some one never fought fire salamanders, or played the games if I have to guess at this point.
>bonfire placement
Only leg you have to stand on, DaS 3 only has that shit because they took a page from the DaS 2 design of bonfire every step and a half.
>NPCs
No point in discussing this, it will be self evident in the end by the number of fan art, discussion, porn, etc...
>>337556538
>lighting all the scones in The Gutter
What does that do?
>>337562545
ADP wasn't that bad.
It was bad because it was worse than what it replaced but still not dreadful.
Kind of wish they didn't entirely toss light and midroll distinction after the first game.
>Bad world design
One area. Level design was pretty trash though.
>Boss fights
Incredibly overstated. It's also annoying that DaS3 with all it's Demon's Souls callbacks didn't have a bossfight with summonable players but DaS2 did.
>hitboxes
In some cases such as gestures and attacks they're flawless. Dodge hitboxes have always been wonky in souls games, even BB.
>enemy tracking
There are several turntable enemies in DaS2 but DaS1 enemies were all backstab bait. At least DaS3 mostly fixes those issues at the expense of just having several enemies be fast with annoying attacks.
>bonfire placement
It's very frequent. I don't much like it, especially with how worthless the shortcuts are. DaS3 improves on this at least even if it throws bonfires at you regularly as well but it also has significantly fewer issues with durability even ignoring the FPS bug.
>Unmemorable NPCs
There are a few standouts like Benhart, Head and Cr8 and P8. Certainly not as compelling as the ones in DaS3 but DaS1 only has two excellent NPCs as well that got memed about.
>>337563094
BKGA is quality, 695 ar at 40/40
>>337563094
Pretty much most weapons already scale very well with quality.
>>337561901
Actually, DaS allowed you go anywhere but lord areas, Sen's and Anor Londo from the start.
Anyone know what item to invest on to put my souls on?
I have 2m souls and I don't know where to put them. Don't need to level up or anything.
>>337563094
Nigga the entire game's catered to quality builds, refined weapons coupled with 40dex/40str outdamage everything else
>>337563162
>Benhart
Fuck no, only Cr8, P8, Straid, and Luca are even remotely memorable. I literally can't name a single other NPC from that shit game. I honestly don't have a single positive opinion about DaS 2 other than weapon/spell variety. Even its best parts aren't as good as the worst parts of 1 and 3 (I believe DeS has no bad parts, but fuck the blue dragon). Honestly, outside of Eleum Loyce, I don't think I ever had fun playing that game. Even then, the constant barrage of canon fodder just made the enjoyable parts fad quickly, and there's always the much loved outskirts area and Ludd and Zallen boss fight to consider, but I suppose that dead horse has been beaten enough already.
>>337563506
After killing Taurus you can go to:-
>Parish
>Depths
>Catacombs
>New Londo
Hell, if you wanna be a cheeky cunt and pad the count with Valley of the Drakes, and Blightown, that would put DaS on an equal footing to DeS. How the fuck is DeS linear when it still has the most options, or tied for most?
>>337563762
Where to get Refined Gems? I swear to got i've only gotten 2 on all the time i've played.
Who drops them?
>>337564097
Blue Lothric knight
>>337563773
>forest of the fallen giants, heide's flame tower, lost bastilee, drangleic's castle, the three dlc, ecc
>All as bad or worse than lost izalith.
Come on, be honest with yourself.
Dks2 is a fine game, and a really fun dungeon crawler if you don't care about the lore of the world too much.
>>337563158
>Soul of Cinder, Gundyr, Watchers, and NK are better than all DaS 2 combined.
The gr8est of b8s, my friend
Alonne, Fume Knight, and Ivory King were fantastic fights. Looking Glass Knight and Darklurker were fun, too.
Meanwhile, in 3, most of the bosses are "hey remember dark souls 1? xD" or "remember demon's souls? xD"
>No point in discussing this, it will be self evident in the end by the number of fan art, discussion, porn, etc...
Naturally, there will be much discussion, due to the game being a direct sequel to 1. The game focuses on sucking off the first Dark Souls, instead of trying new ideas.
Dark Souls 2 was by no means perfect, but at least there were a lot of new (many good) ideas.
3 ends up playing it safe by getting rid of anything new, and is basically just Dark Souls 1.5, w/ better graphix
>>337556538
Only a few of those features are actually good.
For the most part Dark 2 was crap. The base gameplay is unbearable, the level design is horrible, almost all of the bosses suck, soul memory breaks PvP.
>>337564439
>Dks2 is a fine game, and a really fun dungeon crawler if you don't care about the lore of the world too much.
I think some of the lore is pretty cool.
However, if there's one thing more autistic than average From drones, it's the lore fags
>>337564464
>the only good bosses in Dark 2 were in the DLC
>even then they were kind of bland anyway
I don't get why people pretend to like Dark 2.
I mean, I get most of it. Most is bait. But there are people who actually pretend like they enjoyed it and defend the game. And I just don't get it. The game has no positive points, why defend it? Why would you possibly think it's better than the other games? Why would you feel emotionally attached to it?
It gives you nothing, it does nothing well. I legitimately just don't get it.
>>337564583
>Only a few of those features are actually good.
Are you trolling or just genuinely retarded?
Many of them are objectively good, while others like the pig and the pickaxe thing are just bonuses
>>337564705
>the only good bosses in Dark 2 were in the DLC
Can you even read?
Looking Glass Knight was pretty cool, and so was Darklurker.
3's bosses are pretty lackluster if you've already played DaS1 or Bloodborne.
>>337564803
>The game has no positive points, why defend it?
see
>>337556538
>>337563773
I played through SotFS just before DS3 came out. I enjoyed it the entire way.
The only things that made me mad were blatant "how the fuck was I supposed to know that" moments. Like needing to ring the bell to call the boat.
>>337564803
By the end of the dlc I had 5 weapons I would switch between depending on the types of enemies I was fighting. I had to think and strategies.
In DS3, I rolled around and mashed R1 while going down an mostly linear path that only ever branched at 2 points.
>>337564898
Darklurker is one of the most bland fights in the franchise.
Looking Glass Knight was just Old Monk again.
3 had bosses like Abyss Watchers, who had a 100% new mechanic, shit like Pontiff and Nameless King, who are just plain great fights. DaS3 also has the only good horde boss fight in the entire franchise.
>>337557545
Carmen Carrera. He was a drag queen
>>337564959
>a bunch of tiny features
Wouldn't that just make you hate the game more for locking those features away in this shitty game?
>>337565013
what's abyss watchers new mechanic?
>>337564898
>Kek DaS 3 only has good bosses that reuse mechanics!
>Names reused mechanic knight, that was shit anyways
Name one fucking boss in the series that has the same boss mechanics as Cinder or Watchers you fucking cuck.
>>337565106
Maybe you'd know if you actually played the fucking game.
>>337564991
>By the end of the dlc I had 5 weapons I would switch between depending on the types of enemies I was fighting
Forcing variety isn't really the same as real variety.
I steamrolled the entire game with the Greatsword.
>>337565106
It's a multi-enemy boss fight where occasionally an enemy will spawn that will aggro the other boss enemies. The main boss entity can sometimes completely ignore you and fight his friends.
I loved that Dark 3 had more enemy infighting. Bloodborne's DLC was really interesting that way, though it only happened in one area.
Dark 3 had the dogs in settlement, the darkwraiths in farron, and the skeletons who attack the demon. I want more of this in future games.
>>337557890
Its the armor of a little bitch.
The description describes how the knight who wore it was a coward and ran away, but got killed anyway. The pants even go as far as saying he fucking pissed himself and possibly even shit himself while running.
If you see someone wearing the whole thing, pants included, its a good sign that they dont read shit and just slap whatever on not even caring it has actual fucking piss stains on it.
>>337565106
Probably that they fight each other and not just the player.
>>337565013
>Abyss Watchers, who had a 100% new mechanic
The "they can hit each other" gimmick is new, I'll give you that. But just like how nearly every boss has their "kill me once, I res with a new gimmick" thing, Abyss Watchers becomes the Maria fight, but with a shittier buildup
>>337565013
>DaS3 also has the only good horde boss fight in the entire franchise.
Shadows of Yharnam was pretty cool, and also more challenging than AW
>>337565142
>Name one fucking boss in the series that has the same boss mechanics as Cinder or Watchers you fucking cuck.
After you KO Abyss Watchers the first time, he becomes Maria
>>337565050
But, isn't Carmen a woman's name?
>>337565284
>They can hit each other
They ACTIVELY fight each other if you're not shoved up their ass mashing r1.
>>337565284
How is Abyss Watchers even remotely like Maria
>it has fire!
Gwyn is Maria then, I guess.
>>337556538
God I am so glad you are the furthest from ever designing a game or anyone ever taking your reviews seriously.
>>337565284
>But just like how nearly every boss has their "kill me once, I res with a new gimmick" thing
That's the best addition to the series. Bloodborne revolutionised the boss design of this franchise, which is why so many people rate Bloodborne's bosses so highly.
>>337565070
>a bunch of tiny features
l o l
Are you trying to imply that working poise is a tiny feature? or better build variety? Slower healing to punish panic chugging?
>>337560121
>>337560283
>>337560521
Ring of life (or soul) protection prevents this. Hope you have at least 3000 (or 6000) souls to repair it if you die.
Ring of binding lets you keep 75% of your health instead of the capped 50%
Rate my fashion souls please
>>337565436
Upvoted
I get why people hate Dark Sword and such but I dont get why everyone hates the Uchi so much. It seems just like any other weapon in the game. Its not OP or anything like that.
>>337565447
Pharros Lockstones are just an obtuse illusory wall.
And the fucking fragrant branch bullshit was just annoying.
There's no wonder why none of this shit came back.
>>337556538
>lets waste development time on ng+ and just make the base first playthrough worse
What would've been gained by lets say making master gundyr just iudex gundyr in ng+.
The content is the same. Just arranged more poorly because ng+ is never as balanced.
Even in shitty das2.
I swear I can not put into words how much I hate you. Worst fucking taste on this fucking website.
I almost genuinely throwing up a little.
>>337563161
Summons an invader at the end of the area who drops a set when defeated
>>337556538
Worst fucking game
worst gameplay
worst bosses
worst areas
worst interconnectivity
worst mechanics
worst stats
Fuck I can't believe people actually defend das2. How can anyone have taste that bad?
>>337565564
Does anyone even play NG+? Whenever I finish Dark Souls my second playthrough is never Ng+, it's always a different build.
Hiding away a few new enemies, and a couple legit cool ecnounters behind NG+ is just stupid. You're effectively just cutting content from the NG.
>>337565468
>light armor paired with plate helmet
terrible
>>337565545
Branches were kind of annoying, but they were trying something new.
I don't mind that they took it out, but in Dark Souls 3, they just flat out block you from deviating from the intended path altogether. At least the branches give the illusion that I can't progress for a real reason
>>337565631
It's bait.
Everyone who says they like Dark 2 is lying to get a reaction out of you.
And it's working.
>>337565679
That is exactly my point. People gush about the changes ng+ does in das2 but it would've better to put them all in the main game and improve it.
Like that one spider boss coming up would've been amazing in ng and is just kinda weird in ng+.
>>337556538
I swear I read this before
>>337564991
>"how the fuck was I supposed to know that" moments
That reminds me of a time
>In Earthen Peak
>Get annoyed by poison pool in boss area
>beat it anyway by spamming dragon charms when hp too low and poison and (to luckily avoid the bosses grab)
>days later, I learn that you can burn the windmill to burn the poison
>>337565631
3/10 made me respond.
you gotta make it subtle my man, it's way too obvious right now
>>337565740
2 is mediocre but 3 is just as bad.
>>337565727
I wish Dark 3 had forced you to kill four big bosses to get around a small pile fo rocks.
>>337565631
Low hanging fruit. It's the obvious black sheep of the series hated by most fans and newcomers alike.
>>337565679
>Does anyone even play NG+?
Did you start the series with Dark Souls 1?
NG+ is one of the premier features of Souls games ever since Demon's
Some people just want the extra challenge. Or to be able to have extra shit to do beyond PVP
>>337565791
3 is good.
The only dark souls game I can say that about without a caveat
DaS1 had better design but a worse execution.
DaS2 had a decent execution I guess but horrible design.
DaS3 had good design and execution.
That puts it right next to demon's and bloodborne.
Now if they ever rerelease das1 and fix it then maybe I'll put that one above das3.
There is no way to fix das2 though. The core is rotten.
so let me get this straight
abyss watchers are supposed to be irl artorias fans who scream that he's the best boss fight ever
>>337565907
This, actually.
I wouldn't say 3 is perfect, but it's by far the most polished, consistently good Dark Souls.
>Dark Souls 1 remade with 3's engine
>they add in the original Izalith and other post Londo content
Fuck, I want it.
>>337565795
In 3 they make you 3 lords of cinder and the dancer, so that a dude can drop his key right in front of the fucking archives door. A door which you can actually get to before killing ANY lords of cinder. Only reason it's closed off is because "lol gotta go back and kill these bosses for no reason"
2's bullshit was stupid, but don't try to pretend that 3's is much better. Not to mention they casualized 3 by making it more linear than 2
It's really damn annoying that From decided to drop some of the good things from DaS2. For example covenant of champions or bonfire ascetics.
>>337565907
>>337565984
Mah niggas.
Objective rating right here
BB = DaS3 = DeS > DaS1 >>> DaS3
>>337565984
>DeS with the giant's archstone in DaS 3's engine
A man can only dream.
>>337556538
My biggest complaint with DS3 is it didn't take enough from DS2. I was massively disappointed by DS2 overall but there were lots of little things they did that I loved like what you listed. The only things they carried over were the streamlined upgrading system and dual wielding (while reworking it so it's tied to specific weapons and we don't even have a dual wielding weapon for every weapon type).
I still think DS3 is the best souls but all those little adjustments could have made it that much better.
>>337566043
>linear is casual now
Just stop.
Dark 3 is linear because of the story. You're chasing the lords along the paths they took to their homelands.
Dark 2 is linear because of bad design.
>>337566043
they locked of lothric because he is the plot endboss.
You can still go kill oceiros and master gundyr and dragonslayer armor. And get all the shit with the dancer sequence break.
I am not sure why everyone just wants to skip these games.
I swear speedrunners have ruined this community.
>>337564618
well I mean I understand getting angry over the flying pool of lava out of nowhere if you're trying to get immersed in the world, but some people act like they just don't want to have fun with the game. It's almost as if that gave them more satisfation
>>337565795
The amount of minor inconveniences that require circuitous navigation could have been avoided with better jumping, some mild climbing, a rope ladder or a battering ram in the souls series is immeasurable.
That might be the worst offender but it's hardly the only one.
>>337565907
I feel like you could add caveats to Dark Souls 3.
I like it but it still has issues that have stuck with the series since the start as well as unique issues of its own.
>>337565984
I think Dark 3 is the first game without a bad boss fight.
Yhorm is a bit mediocre, but it becomes a really cool story event if you fill out Seigwards questline.
>>337566098
There's still the DLC. After all, the DLC for 1 was more polished than the base game, and the DLC for 2 game shitposters enough ground to stand to claim that game isn't complete trash. I imagine the DLC for an already good game will be at the very least as 1's DLC.
>>337566186
>demon's had secret walls you could vault
>Dark 2 has tiny piles of pebbles you can't even step over
Why is the Bearer of the Curse so pathetic?
>>337565984
i'd buy it
>>337566043
>linear is casual
So I guess Ninja Gaiden Black is the most casual game ever because it's linear?
>>337566043
And they are all linear as fuck compared to skyrim.
In fact that was the main complaint you found about dark souls 1 online on metacritic and shit.
It was too linear.
Can we please stop sacrificing quality games on the altar of sandbox for casual fucks?
>>337556538
Legitimate and convincing arguments
>>337565631
"NO you're wrong worst this and worst this and worst that MY OPINIONS ARE FACT"
Pure Autism.
>tfw game is so boring i cba to grind to sl 100
:s
>>337566219
If Bloodborne's DLC is anything to go on it will be fantastic.
Unless they spent themselves out on Bloodborne's DLC.
>>337566186
>I feel like you could add caveats to Dark Souls 3.
I can call it good without caveats. It could be better and if I would call it great I would have to add caveats.
With das1 and das2 I can't go up to good without them.
If that makes any sense.
>>337566198
Without a doubt. It has the best caster only fight in the series, whereas they're shit in all the other games. People shit on Crystal Sage when they forget his fucking competition is Pinwheel and the Congregation.
>>337566129
>Dark 3 is linear because of the story. You're chasing the lords along the paths they took to their homelands.
How the fuck does that make any sense?
The path Yhorm took included going through doors and crossing bridges that were too small for him?
Was he fighting Sulivan's army along the way?
>>337566135
>I am not sure why everyone just wants to skip these games.
That's not why
If I'm making a particular type of build, and I know that I can only get the stuff from the Archives, it's pretty fucking lame that I have to go through all of that tedious shit on my next playthrough, just for a few items
>>337566219
We can't really make assumptions like that though. While I'd love to believe we're going to get Artorias-tier DLC we won't really know until it's out.
>>337566301
>this obvious samefag
Can't you just fuck off? Nobody likes you. You are the dark souls 2 of this thread.
>>337566354
>People shit on Crystal Sage
Really? I liked him a lot.
>>337566367
There hasn't been a single bad DLC in the series, even in the worst game. I can't possibly see them fucking it up for an actually decent game.
>>337566361
I guess you have a point. Archives should be accessible and maybe add the key to lothrics door or to the archive roof.
is it acceptable to use dark sword if I cosplay darkwraith?
>>337556538
>the way jumping went back to DS1 physics in DS3
Fuck off From, nobody likes losing all their momentum after 1 second of airtime
>>337566361
>just want to dual wield broadswords
>have to go through dancer and dragonslayer armor super early to do it
>>337566360
You're mostly following Aldrich.
I would assume that they went in a certain order. Maybe Yhorm first, then Aldrich then Abyss Watchers. Or maybe Aldrich is even what corrupted the Abyss Watchers with the dark.
>>337566367
Their DLC track record is 100%. Even Dark 2's DLC which was cut content was good enough.
>>337565907
>3 is good
Linear as fuck.
Little optional content and most of it is shit.
Plenty of extremely weak levels (road of sacrifice, smouldering lake, Izalith, Irithyl dungeons and catacombs are fairly awful).
Literally 1 new mechanic in the entire game and it's poorly balanced and rarely worth using.
Weapon balance in general is probably the worst it's ever been in a souls game (no, i'm not talking about pvp).
Obnoxious levels of fanwank and necessary garbage that's in the game for the sole purpose of raising a smile on easily-pleased plebs who crave familiarity.
Covenants are a mess and the game yet again locks content behind them.
Boss fights are largely mediocre with plenty of poorly- implemented gimmicks (yhorm in particular is awful with his out of place DeS reference) and there's maybe 2 semi challenging fights in the game.
Last boss is a kojima-tier joke boss that breaks the fourth wall and is a poor fight in general due to it's focus on fanservice and "muh feels" style pandering than actually making a mechanically good fight.
Shit story/lore because there's absolutely zero progression and the endings are largely the same as they were back in DaS1.
Fuck DaS3.
>>337566367
Every dlc has been great. Even the das2 dlc has been great in relation to the main game.
But I still feel you. Miyazaki is apparently not working on this dlc so I think it is okay to be worried.
>>337566453
Use whatever you want, jesus.
>I can't use a weapon because /v/ whines about it
>>337566453
Only shitters cry about Dark Sword. Now if you use a fucking greatshield WITH your straight sword/thrust sword, there's a special place in hell for your kind.
I'm only 20 hours in and I just killed some giant skeleton man boss. At which point does this game become really hard? I remember in Dark Souls 1 the difficulty ramped up until anal rodeo and after biggie and smalls the difficulty sort of dropped.
How is this game? Does it become more difficult later or is here a peak and then it drops?
>>337566504
Zelda syndrome is strong in this one.
Dark 3 is an abomination unto god, and suddenly Dark 2 (which used to be an abomination unto god) is the best in the series.
>>337557184
For small bursts of co-op. Honestly, some zones are way too long to play through the whole thing as a phantom
>>337566135
its like complaining about how you have to ring the bells, do sens, and then get the lordevessel before you can fight the great lords.
I have never see anyone complain about that in DaS1, so I dont get why people are crying about it now in DaS3
>>337566393
I'll fuck off when you retards offer actual reasons to why Dark souls 3 wasn't a waste of my money than aren't just "muh opinions"
>>337566504
Those are some piping hot opinions you got there faglord.
>>337566556
>t which point does this game become really hard
Never, because you've already played 4 other games like it.
>>337566556
The next boss after Wolnir is considered hardest by many.
>>337555236
heres a better image
>>337559171
>Limited titanite slabs
I got 3 or 4 in my first playthrough, and once you get the ashes from ADP you can just buy them.
>>337566576
Literally nowhere did I praise DaS2. It was mediocre when it came out and it's mediocre now.
DaS3 is still equally bad, if not worse.
>>337566612
Too hot for you handle apparently, cuntwheel.
>>337566504
>>Linear as fuck.
So is das2 compared to skyrim:
Linearity is not a flaw.
Quality is more important.
I take das3 level design over das1 if it means the game doesn't fall apart after half of it.
>Little optional content and most of it is shit.
So much shit is opitonal and the best bosses are optional.
>Obnoxious levels of fanwank and necessary garbage that's in the game for the sole purpose of raising a smile on easily-pleased plebs who crave familiarity.
No no. That was das2. Das2 had references to memes. DaS3 showed us Gwyn's firstborn and ended the story.
Its a direct sequel what the fuck do you want?
>Covenants are a mess and the game yet again locks content behind them.
It is the other extreme I would've chosen but it is so much better than the arbitrary shit they did in das1 and 2.
>Boss fights are largely mediocre
alright I am done.
The bosses are the best of the series. Maybe after bloodborne if you include the bb dlc.
You need to seriously consider suicide. Or at least chemical castration. Just don't ever spread your genes.
I am done.
That point was too retarded.
>>337566601
Not even DaS 2 shitposters can touch 1. 3 is still new and fresh, it's a much easier target. They used to get fucking destroyed when they spouted their shitty little contrarian opinions about how 2 is better than DeS or 1.
>>337566556
>I'm only 20 hours in and I just killed some giant skeleton man boss
>20 hours and you're less than half way through the game
How? I'm not even good at these games and I'd killed every boss in that time.
>>337557542
>get to sens fortress
>can't enter until I have rung two bells
Fucking bullshit.
>>337566712
All the complaints about Dark 3 are minor nitpicks.
All the issues with Dark 2 are huge.
>>337556538
this is a good post
>>337566723
>Das2 had references to memes
are you talking about pig shield?
>>337566712
>DaS3 is still equally bad, if not worse.
And that reveals you as just a useless crybaby.
It even shows that your hating on das2 wasn't valid and just a broken clock being right once.
You are cancer and you need to leave.
>>337566825
Everything Sunlight Warrior related, EVERYTHING.
Remember when Bloodborne came out and everyone was saying Dark 2 was better?
Now Dark 3 is out and everyone is saying Dark 2 is better.
Notice a trend? When Next Souls comes out everyone will be saying Dark 2 is better.
Stop biting on the hooks, guys.
>>337566778
Well, I took a long time in the game too. When I found the WOlf Covenant, I kept it equipped until I maxed out the covenant.
Was worth it for that fantastic fucking Wolf RIng.
>>337565824
>hated by most funs and newcomers alike
Are you guys fucking retarded or something
Even in fan reviews DaS2's score is slightly less than DaS, Bloodborne, etc and it has tons of players. Just because a small minority of autists on /v/ hate it it doesn't mean that "most of the fanbase " hates it.
>>337566825
The welcome to dark souls achievement
The solaire references to his happy shit in miracles. (Which isn't a reference to how solaire acted in das1 but his meme persona the internet remembered)
The death counter for no reason
The covenant that made the game harder for no reason.
Give me a good ingame reason for the last two without the "dark souls is the hardest game for hardcore gamers ever" meme shit.
Difficulty was never the point until das2.
It feels like a fan game made by the worst fans.
>>337566253
Same reason the unkindled and the chosen undead are I guess.
>Partially collapsed stairway with easily navigable rubble
>Slight railings
I'm not actually as certain about Demon's Souls.
I knew it had a Vault but I don't know just how many minor inconveniences it had that required extensive navigation to avoid.
>>337566339
Yeah that makes sense.
I would say the same about them.
>>337566354
I think Darklurker may qualify as a caster only fight.
Congregation has little mooks on the ground that melee so I don't think it's a caster only fight.
>>337566873
>Meanwhile in Dark Souls 3
>>337566670
That guide's wrong, the last lord of cinder, the twins, are in the library not the castle. You can't access them until you killed all other lords.
>>337566983
They showed us gwyn's firstborn.
If das2 had done that you betcha that would've been solaire. And he would've memed all the way through the boss fight.
>>337566815
>issues with Dark 2
One legitimate issue I keep seeing around is "collect 4 great souls to bypass rubble". Bullshit, I agree. The other is the whole lighting engine fiasco, also inexcusable.
Other complaints however are insubstantial "muh GAME FEEL is not right!" trite.
>>337566978
>difficulty was never the point
>hurr durr prepare to die
DaS1 drones ruined the souls series
Here's a list of why dark souls 3 is massively better than darks souls 2 and you can fuck off with these retarded threads already:
>Bosses have much larger movesets, and are more versatile in both multiphase mechanics, and utilise 360 degree movesets without resorting to spin2win tracking and broken hitboxes
>boss themes are both much more memorable and unique from one another, much more suited to the bosses atmospherically, and transition thematically as boss phases progress
>bosses all feel mechanically unique from one another in dark souls 3
>weapon arts
>a world design that visually makes sense in a genuinely rewarding way, you realise as you go to the top of farrons keep that you are on the same broken bridge that undead settlement has, you realise irithyll is in clear view when you are in undead settlement/high wall later, you can see the undead settlement towers from irithyll, you can see irithyll from smouldering lake
>whereas in dark souls 2 the vistas made little to no sense and world design was all over the place
>area design in 3 is both large and sprawling, with tons of shortcuts in ways that feel non-linear and open to further exploration, whereas in dark souls 2 areas were incredibly linear with very shit off-paths
>areas in 3 are visually much more spectacular, entering irithyll, entering archdragon peak, seeing the darksign sun from atop the grandarchives, seeing smouldering lake, entering pontiff sulayvahn's room, the work is so much more realised
>enemy and encounter design is both much more intelligent and versatile than dark souls 2, while also having better minibosses and much better justification for the habitation of enemies in their areas
cont.
>>337566978
The death counter is largely irrelevant. It has no purpose, but it's not like it's shoved in your face every time you enter the game.
The covenant hat made the game harder is actually useful to make enemies respawn. I used it to farm twinkling titanite in the shrine of amana.
>>337566354
>People shit on Crystal Sage
They're faggots who don't appreciate his boss fight.
>similar bosses like Deacons or Pinwheel just keeps spawning things until you get overrun if it takes too long to kill them
>unlike the above bosses, the spawned enemies are easy to deal with and disappear after hitting the real body
>predicting his real body is easy if you observe carefully
>can easily dodge spells, or hide behind pillars
>>337567070
>>hurr durr prepare to die
>marketing by bamco
compared to
>actual shit in the game
I could ignore the stupid name.
The shit in das2 was inside the game and inside the game design.
>>337566815
>shit bosses
>linear game design
>shit areas
>awful weapon balance
>the fact that the game is a total rehash
>nitpicks
>>337566852
>giving a list of complaints with justification or evidence is cancer yet whiny little faggots like you who cry bitch tears whenever their favrit gaem gets criticised somehow isn't
Nah, you fuck off back to your safespace on /vg/ you teenage shitter.
>>337567086
>the story/lore in dark souls 3 is a continuous progression throughout the game to retrieve the souls of cinder, the first act concerning the progression to the abyss watchers, the second focussing on yhorm and aldrich, while the third is the progression through lothric castle to get the twin princes soul to retrieve the flame. This gives the player a constant motivator throughout the game, and also actually serves a purpose made very clear, the flame needs to be relit, while also offering the subplot to develop as you explore the world.
>In dark souls 2 the main plot was a shambles, it was not presented clearly to the player and it was strung together incredibly poorly, "collect lord souls because for some reason or whatever you have to or something, so you can go get a ring from a guy to get a heart to get a kinship" it's nonsensical and pulled together so incredibly poorly, I can see absolutely no defence.
>That's not to say dark souls 2's subplots aren't somewhat decent sometimes, but the world feels a lot less engaging when it's presented so awfully
>Dark Souls 2's hitboxes are awful, wheras dark souls 3 has incredibly good ones
>dark souls 2's weapons were even more bland than dark souls 3 overall, with more weapons sharing similar movesets, and the abandonment of some of the actually good dark souls 1 unique feeling weapons
Overall, if you ever wanted a perfect example of quality over quantity, you needn't look further than Dark souls 3 to dark souls 2.
>>337566825
Literally every fucking item ended with "but who will ever know" in a pathetic attempt to replicate the mystery of 1
The FIRST FUCKING DIALOGUE in the game is already forcing the "prepare to die" meme
Fucking Dragonslayer
Fucking Sunlight Altar and meme the sun
Hey let's put in another talking cat but this time make it fuckable
A FUCKING DEATH COUNTER IS A GOOD IDEA ISN'T IT
Dark 2 was meme pandering central. People keep shitposting about Dark 3 being full of fanservice, but Dark 2 was rife with pathetic attempts to hook onto Dark Souls' coattails. Dark 3 follows the events of Dark Souls properly, rather than just fucking putting Ornstein in as a boss with no explanation.
>>337557542
>Kill Pinwheel first
>Get to the Tomb of the Giants
>CANT FIGHT NITO FOR SOME REASON UNTIL I HAVE GOTTEN THE LORDVESSEL
What were they thinking?
>>337566978
>The covenant that made the game harder for no reason.
This was for people that wanted the game to be harder.
>>337567069
Hey, you just took a legitimate massive game flaw and tried to pass it off as nothing by putting "muh" in a fake quote. I saw that, bub.
i wish people would stop presenting their hot opinions as facts
>>337567214
>but this time make it fuckable
It is possible that you have a problem.
>>337567126
>>shit bosses
Wrong. DaS3 is only beaten by BB and only that if you include the DLC.
>>linear game design
again not an objective flaw. Every souls game is linear compared to any sandbox game.
>>shit areas
DaS2 had nothing but shit areas (even the ones with good design have horrible enemy placements or are just boring)
And DaS1 had better early level design but then falls apart horribly.
>>awful weapon balance
Not at all. I tried more weapons and builds than any other souls game.
If you argument is that some shit can be too OP then you can't present das2 as better. DaS2 had worse balance.
>rehash
You don't know the meaning of the word. It is a direct sequel. I prefer spiritual ones too but as a direct sequel das3 is the way to go.
>>337567214
but ds3 have exactly the same sunlight altar
>>337567306
He's talking about the voice you autist. The voice objectively sounds like an attractive woman. Don't reply to me, you're probably a gay.
>>337567289
>legitimate massive game flaw
MUH FEEL is not a valid compliant, anon
>>337567214
>Dark 3 follows the events of DaS Souls properly
>lol you remember andre
>lol you remember seigmeyer
>lol you remember patches
DaS1 drones, everyone
>>337567410
At least it makes sense.
In Dark 2 we're to believe the exact altar has existed in the same state for thousands of years.
In Dark 3 it's a different statue of the Nameless King.
>>337567214
>Fucking Sunlight Altar and meme the sun
DaS3 still has all this shit for fuck's sake.
I swear to fuck you could remove Miyahacki's name from the credits and you fags would be tearing the game apart for le epic onion man reference and all the other retard fanservice characters.
Dark souls 1 has the best atmosphere
Dark souls 2 has the best pvp
Dark souls 3 has the best pve
>>337567423
Yes it is.
The basic fucking character control in Dark 2 is fucked. That is a major flaw. The basic game controls are the most important aspect of gameplay.
>>337567154
And yet I still find DaS 2 more fun to play.
DaS 3 proved to me that Miyazaki can't into sequels. DaS 3 is like a more refined DaS 1. I'd rather a sequel try to innovate itself than retread the same ground.
>>337567473
>lol you remember patches
>I-I played From games I swear I'm not just a contrarian drone parroting shit I've seen here for (you)s
Patches and Moonlight Sword are From staples. You'll find them even in Armored Core.
>>337567504
Lightning Spear in DaS2
"A miracle that launches a spear of lightning.
Said to be the legacy of an ancient clan whose leader was revered as the God of Sun.
The name of the clan has been lost to time, but the gross incandescence of our magnificent father shall never wane."
Lightning Spear in DaS3.
"Miracle allegedly used by Warriors of Sunlight.
Hurls a lightning spear.
The spears inflict lightning damage, providing an effective counter to magic or fire.
Especially powerful against metal armor and dragons."
Can you not see the fucking difference here?
>>337567504
>and all the other retard fanservice characters.
Name one.
>>337567154
>Sinh in god tier
Sinh was a shitty version of Kalameet that spends almost all the time flying around and landing on the other side of the area.
>>337567486
where in ds2 it says that it's the exact same altar
if in ds3 it's a different statue why is it broken the same way
>>337567531
>Dark souls 1 has the best atmosphere
Yeah, no. DaS3 is better for that. DeS and BB destroys all three anyway.
>>337567569
>character control in DaS2 is fucked
how
It was the first game with omni-directional rolling
>>337567486
IT'S OK WHEN DARK SOULS 3 DOES IT
>>337567473
>3 is basically the sequel to 1
>andre is still alive so he's back in 3
>siegmeyer is dead and we get siegward instead
>patches appears through all Soulsborne games
>>337567531
3 has the 4th best PvE
BB>DeS>DaS1>DaS3>DaS2
>>337567626
>idiots who made DaS3 too bored to even add a meaningful item description
>>337567685
And also the first game with 4 directional walking.
>>337567714
>DaS1 and DeS over DaS3
I guess someone doesn't like good boss fights.
>exploring in the catacombs
>in one room there is a fire demon and a chest
>I run to the chest so I can take the item
>notice that the chain is backwards
>ohboy.jpg
>hit it with my sword
>start running back to the door trying to pull the mimic out of the room
>both the fire demon and the mimic start chasing me
>get to the door
>the demon gets stuck between the doorway and the mimic
>the mimic starts attacking it
>it does like 500 damage per hit to it and kills it in a couple of seconds
>get the souls and demon soul
>go and kill the mimic and get the item
This game is great.
>>337567640
>a dragon is flying around
woooow
>>337567698
The game literally has the fucking character the statue is depicting, why the fuck can't it use the statue you god damn autist? There's no reason for the Sunlight covenant to exist in 2 other than cheap memes and references. The game was le prepare to die from the fucking cinematic.
>>337567765
>reference to memes
>meaningful
Oh hi anthony burch.
It references the same origin.
Only in das2 for some reason the covenant is lost in time while the meme words are remembered
And it is the other way around in das3.
>>337567797
>good boss fights
"See my moveset? That means your one and only way to survive is abusing iframes"
>>337560020
Wow what a whore
>>337567827
Making a boss fight shitty because of realism still results in a shitty fight.
>>337567214
What is this from?
>>337566986
technically they're in the castle part of the lothric, not the archives
>>337567837
By that reason there is no reason for any armor set or weapon from DaS1 or DaS2 to exist in DaS3
I've seen some autistic people in here but you're topping all of them
>>337567698
BASED MIYAHACKI
>>337567639
I'll name more than that
>andre
>old woman merchant who resembles the firekeeper from DaS2
>firekeeper, MiB reference
>karla, literally yuria with a different name
>irina, reference to that one other church lady in Dark Souls 1
>eygon, along with irina makes a garl/astrea homage
>yorshka, downs dragon homage
>>337567626
Oh shit, there's Zelda in a Legend of Zelda game, there's super mario in super mario bros, we better call the originality police
>>337567797
DeS and DaS1 had better music, areas, NPCs, build viability, and working poise
DaS3 has much harder, but less memorable bosses
>>337567981
I am guessing you have missed archdragon peak.
In das1 the statue made sense as a hint towards gwyns firstborn being lost
In das2 it was stupid fanservice.
In das3 it was back to being a tease which then was revealed to how he looked.
This is fucking basics.
How can you not see the difference? Your whining is pathetic.
>>337567981
So how are those "retarded fanservice"?
Have you never played a From game? Half of their characters in any game are references to others.
But in Dark 2's case they were just direct pandering to Dark Souls meme shit.
>>337568114
The problem is that it doesn't reference the previous game. It references the meme idea of the previous game.
The DaS2 references are, using your nintendo comparison, like peppy screaming barrel roll over and over again. Not because it was important on its own in the previous game. But because it became an internet meme.
>>337567935
You can't get to them without the archives. The boss of Castle is Dragonslayer Armour. If the image is supposed to show where you can go and what you can kill then it's useless and misleading.
>>337568114
I hope the next Mario game references 4chan memes.
>>337567981
Leonhard is bastardized copy of Lautrec, also.
>>337568127
So you're telling me we're to believe that some guy carried out the exact same fucking statue to the Dark Souls 2 area and did the same shit for DaS3 yet it's only bad when DaS2 does it?
>>337568186
>Half of their characters in any game are references to others
Name them.
>>337568235
I think you're just being autistic about a minute detail.
>>337568124
>and working poise
Honestly poise was a fucking crutch and way too op in das1.
Especially with the wolf ring and early on with the darkwood grain ring.
Honestly what sounds more enjoyable? Having to use timing to evade and block a few attacks or
Facetank every boss because hits do nothing to you and your health bar.
>>337568256
Just a matter of time
>>337568229
my point really is: don't be too serious about this all.
I read that decription, tought "cute", and moved on with the game.
If I had to autistically sperg over this kind of shit I wouldn't have enjoyed the game.
Plus it's not a reference to the meme, it's a reference to the exact words solaire said, you guys are exaggerating beyond proportions
>>337568290
So you've not played a From game before.
dark souls 3 plotline:
>opening cutscene establishes motive, characters rising from the graves, establishes the firekeepers role in the bell, all without being too blatant
>you awaken in a grave, implied rising yourself
>as soon as you get to firelink, the four lord thrones and ludleth guide you towards a goal that remains present throughout the entire game, retrieve the cinders of lords
>while doing this the game establishes further motives and sub plots regarding the lords, areas and ongoings within the world effectively, and feels very living, as an example, aldrich is always a few steps ahead of you by the time you get to cathedral of the deep, pontiff sulayvahn had to deal with him by feeding gwyndolin to him, and you get to him mid-digestion. It also establishes a motive for ludleth, whereby he comes from an age of dark and lives in regret.
>game maintains this central plot theme throughout the entire game, with the lords cindering in their second phases, almost in rebellion.
>game has distinct and defined acts, high wall to the watchers, carthus to profane capital, and lothric/archdragon peak.
>game ends as the culmination of the plot point is reached, linking the fire
>Dark Souls 2
>opening cutscene is nonsense, with very blatant pandering to hardcore fags
>things betwixt is almost indecipherable, and has no purpose, why are you here, where are you etc, there's no reason for anything
>enter majula
>emerald herald tells you to collect four souls to get to drangleic, but never really tells you why it is important or gives you a strong motive.
>do what she asks
>get to shrine of winter
>oh you need four lord souls for literally no reason
>get to drangleic castle, nashandra just says see vendrick for god knows
>vendrick offers relatively little
>his ring for whatever reason opens very obnoxiously locked doors
>get ashen mist heart, and giant kinship for whatever reason and then get on a seat which has no prior relevance in the game.
>>337568293
It's a pretty big "detail". If you had a guide tell you "there are 4 bosses. you need to kill 3 to enter this zone. all 4 of them are before this zone" you might plan to take them on some orders, and leave one out for after the newly unlocked zone. In terms of freedom, it's huge.
>>337568290
>So you're telling me we're to believe that some guy carried out the exact same fucking statue to the Dark Souls 2 area and did the same shit for DaS3 yet it's only bad when DaS2 does it?
No I am telling you the statue serves a purpose in das1 and 3 and none in das2.
Now I also think it is lazy that it is the same ruined statue but I guess the world is moving or something.
Point here isn't that das3 was great.
Point is that it served a very good purpose in das1 and 3 and was just fanservice in 2.
>>337568383
>I....I can't!!!
Nice one, cunt.
>>337568356
>darkwood grain wing
>poise
Not that guy but if longswords and thin swords can stagger me while I'm wearing heavy armor, you know that poise is fucked up in the game
>>337568376
>lol bro just shut your brain off
And again if I remember Solaire from das1 I remember him either getting depressed and dying or just getting depressed. The early happy shit really was only in the first game and is what the memers focus on.
That is why a reference to JUST happy solaire without even including how he never gets a happy end is not a reference to solaire of das1 but a reference to the meme idea of solaire of das1.
>>337568443
>Can reach Tomb of Giants as the second area of the game
>Can't fight Nito til after clearing half the game
WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW
>>337568356
It being a "crutch" is a matter of opinion.
It's a game mechanic, and in 3, it's a non-working game mechanic
Not only does it not work, but you're led to believe that it does, seeing as how it's a stat you can level up. The Wolf Ring? You can practically hear the developers laughing at your expense
The appeal of the Souls games is that you have a variety of ways to play them. Poise builds are scrubby, but it's just as valid as any other playstyle, like magic or faith. I don't rely on poise to get me through tough bosses, but it's inexcusable to defend how broken it is in this game
>>337568621
But in that example you can enter tomb of giants. Here you can't enter the archives.
>>337568538
>>darkwood grain wing
>>poise
Yeah it used to allow you to be at 50% carrying capacity and still have the fastest roll.
That means people used to wear havel and giants and roll fast. at sl1 with the old father mask giving them 20%.
I guess demon's and bloodborne also were fucked up because they didn't have poise?
Nobody can name a single good base game Dark 2 boss.
I hope DaS3 DLC will include proper weapons with full movests for the left hand. because forcing an offhanded weapon's R1 to block is FUCKING RETARDED.
>>337568636
But is it broken?
The game feels more like demon's with hyper armor.
Poise supposedly extends your hyperarmor.
I don't take your word for it that it is broken because people like you have said the same thing about ADP in das2.
>>337566689
You can buy one
>>337568704
>Can reach New Londo as the first area in the game
>3/4 of the level is blocked
>Can reach Grand Archives
>Can't enter
>Can reach Izalith
>Can't enter
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>>337568714
Bloodborne didn't have heavy armour sets so of course there would be no poise. don't be stupid.
>>337559171
Tailcutting was just a gimmick they lifted from monster hunter anyway
>>337568841
>reaching a place is the same as calling a boss belonging to place X as belonging to place Y
Nice bait. Almost fell for it.
>>337568873
And Demon's?
Big heavy weapons were crazy good in demons?
Why did that work without poise?
>>337568906
The boss is still further one.
You can't get the white slab
Just like you can't get the titanite slab in the archive. Almost the same thing really
>>337568271
not really, if anything he has an even stronger motive and larger involvement within the world
he spies the player, introduces them to invasions, then tells them to go get the red orb, then tells them to go to rosaria's covenant, before beginning to distrust him, offering examples like heysel, he then disappears for a while before stealing rosaria's soul, claiming her soul is far too good for the player character
This is both interesting as a character development, and helps to establish possible world building connections with the character of rosaria being related to gwynevere, as leonhard retreats to her chambers within anor londo, and her soul can be transposed to bountiful sunlight.
Just a very good character overall.
It's like saying hawkwood is a bastardisation of the crestfallen guy, when he is so much more fleshed out it's ridiculous.
He's an ex abyss watcher who became disillusioned with both the idea of linking the flame, and grew tired of the non-sheild based combat, this relates him to an ongoing game character and event within the plot progression.
Throughout the game he gives you indications about various characters and the ongoing events as well, before embarking on a greater personal journey whereby he travels to oceiros's lair, to obtain information about how to access archdragon peak, and then at archdragon peak he can be summoned to show you how to obtain the better dragon stone.
Then in his failure he offers to challenge you in farrons keep, retreating to the familiar environment, giving a distinct wolfblood grass to andre as a note, and here he can battle you to become a "true dragon", if he wins, he keeps the dragon stones, and when you return, he will mention being the true dragon, but when he loses he will commend you.
Dark Souls 3's npc's are seriously being underrated.
>>337568714
You mean havel's ring? DWGR still requires you to be at 25% burden for it to allow you to flip around. DaS1 only has 2 rings, too, and I doubt you can equip the zweihander at SL1.
>>337567250
>>337557542
Is there anyone who genuinely believes that making accessing those areas impossible until you acquire the Lordvessel (or kill three lords) was a good design decision?
Why is it "Good" if you can't access those areas at all? It's just stupid and makes the game more linear.
>>337568782
>But is it broken?
If I'm wearing a huge set of armor, but I'm still being staggered by a dagger, then that's pretty fucking broken to me.
>Poise supposedly extends your hyperarmor.
>He fell for this meme
You know that's pretty much been debunked, right?
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Poise
Don't take my word for it, if it pleases you.
Take fact's word for it
>Dark 2 fanservice for a beloved character
>copy-paste half of a boss entirely with no new moves and no reason to exist int eh world
>Dark 3 fanservice for a beloved character
>base on of the lords on the character, as followers of his discipline
>their boss fight has completely different mechanics to the original character
>their story expands upon the original in a sensible and meaningful way
>>337569097
>DWGR still requires you to be at 25% burden for it to allow you to flip around
Not at the beginning of das1.
It used to be 50%
You could wear fap +dwgr + father mask and you got enough room for ninjaflipping on SL 1
>>337569136
You know fextralife is a joke right?
But can I get a picture with you holding up a sign saying "poise does nothing"
I am annoyed I didn't do that with all the "adp is a placebo" fags.
>>337568271
And Lautrec is a copy of Yurt
>>337556538
All those don't outweigh its glaring flaws
For every thing it does slightly better than DaS3 it does another 10x worse
>>337569136
>If I'm wearing a huge set of armor, but I'm still being staggered by a dagger, then that's pretty fucking broken to me.
Hyper armor takes timing. That is really all souls combat is. That is why hyper armor like in Demon's and DaS3 is so much better you casual fuck.
>>337568918
well honestly it would of worked better if it did have poise, but it was the first in the series so it deserves a break. DaS did a good job when it implememted poise ( way too overpowered, but still a good idea) but you can't really punish an older game for not delivering a mechanic the newer game provided.
You can very much punish a game for not trying anything new, or worse, wash away good improvements a predecessor provided.
i just wish ds3 had more areas and bosses
killing princes feels like killing o&s, like only half of the game has passed
>>337568729
Pursuer, Darklurker, Throne Watcher/Defender, Mirror Knight, Velstadt, Smelter Demon, Lost Sinner.
>>337569218
How so? They at least try to have statistics to back up what they're saying.
Meanwhile, you're basically just saying "NUH UH"
or "Well, I HEARD they're a joke"
>>337569139
it's genuinely amazing how shit old dragonslayer was
Not only did they fumble up the atmosphere and mechanical fight of the boss entirely, but they also made it have literally no fucking purpose whatsoever in the game world.
It genuinely baffles me to see people complain that dark souls 3 is pandering when they generally gave really well done reasons and motives behind every event that happens in the game, whereas dark souls 2 just had shoved in for no reason lol moments.
>>337569286
>>337569267
>IT'S OKAY WHEN MIYAHACKI DOES IT
>>337569292
I prefer Hyper Armor over Poise. Poise is basically for people who don't want to act or think. They want the stats beat the game for them.
I also like that they were brave enough to remove the estus mechanics in bloodborne and tried shit out with the rally system.
Estus would've just made that irrelevant.
Same thing with poise. Call it going backwards if you want. To me it is like removing soul memory.
>>337569358
Like I said, nobody can name a good base game Dark 2 boss.
>>337568704
first 1/2 of tomb = lothric
second 1/2 of tomb = archives
except you are not being cucked out of progress 1/2 through the level and forced to walk all the way back to firelink because lol no lordvessel.
Besides there is far more to killing dancer first than just getting to the archives, you unlock plenty of items to get in that sequence break.
>>337569373
So can I get a picture of you holding up a sign saying "Poise does nothing"? You can even flip me off it makes you feel better.
>>337569286
>le casual maymay
I guess I just have to GIT GUD xD
Broken game mechanics are okay when Miyazaki does it!
>>337569358
None of them are good. Lost Sinner is the closest and even that one is shit.
>>337569358
Darklurker, Mirror Knight, and Velstadt are pretty good, the others you mentioned are fairly forgettable.
>>337569605
>broken
Again with that word? How is it broken? How do you need poise on top of hyper armor?
>>337569358
>smelter demon
>beyblade tier spin tracking and horrendous hitboxes
>good
top cuck
People really think it's a good idea to make it so people wearing huge slabs of armour can be unable to attack because a dagger is bouncing off of their armour?
I don't get that at all, heavy weapon builds are now a headache for both pve and pvp I switched recently and my god I wasted my time trying to use great weapons instead of normal or Dex types.
Don't get me wrong it isn't an unviable playstyle but it gets boring fast when half of your time is spent trying to make an attack because most attacks interrupt
>>337569694
>beyblade tier spin tracking and horrendous hitboxes
Pontiff does the same shit and now it's good???
>>337569765
But Pontiff was designed by Miyazaki and Smelter wasn't.
>>337567934
ThePruld. Enable the subs, the video is in italian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc4k_iiivH0
>>337569536
Are you honestly this retarded, or just "pretending"?
Try equipping the catarina set and wolf ring, then go outside the firelink shrine and let dudes hit you
Also, try using Iron Flesh
did you know that it gives a poise buff too? and that it actually works?
That's because it's applying it as a standard buff, rather than a stat increase
>>337569396
Yeah ornstein is one half of a boss. Why would be in any way a good idea to include him without smough?
Dragonslayer Armor was the same concept done right. Its not really Ornstein since the weapon and shield are completely different and the armor is getting controlled by the pilgrim butterflies.
>>337569765
Pontiff had back slashing attacks to get at you when strafing.
Smelter Demons just whisk around on their Dark 2 Official Roller Skates to face you at all times.
>>337569813
Shit, I forgot that Miyazaki can do no wrong.
>>337569813
And who can forget
It's only good when Miyazaki does it!
>>337569692
Surely because hyper armour is a small window, when even a tiny clip can interrupt an attack surely the system isn't good? Some attacks should interrupt but I'm sorry the window for hyper armour is too small. Just makes playing with heavier styles annoying.
>>337569765
>pontiff
>horrible hitboxes
Are we just kidding here?
Try sitting down in front of him.
>>337569765
Welp, at least Pontiff's setting and arena are cool and his design isn't vomit inducing.
>>337569827
>Try equipping the catarina set and wolf ring, then go outside the firelink shrine and let dudes hit you
That is not how poise is supposed to work.
You are not just supposed to be able to facetank shit
Why is the argument for poise that you don't have to touch the controller?
If it removes the need to block or evade then that is objectively bad.
It removes better and more interactive game mechanics.
hyper armor adds a third option to it.
>>337569765
Pontiff has backsteps, sidesteps, and backslashes to deal with circle strafing. All DaS 2 bosses and enemies have 360 tracking to face you at all time, it's especially fucking hilarious on the fire salamanders where if you clip on them they go helicopter mode. God DaS 2 is such a fucking joke.
>>337569907
>when even a tiny clip can interrupt an attack surely the system isn't good?
That is simply not true. Especially the stance attacks or halberds have tons of hyper armor.
If you absolutely need old poise then there are weapon arts in the game that function like it.
What the fuck is your problem? Literally both is in the game and you want to remove the more rewarding more interactive element?
>>337570017
>fire salamanders
ayyy
>>337570017
I take 360° tracking over getting stunlocked 24/7.
>>337569163
>assuming SL1 where classes have around ~50 weight limit
>FAP and Father's mask pre-patch give +20% and +15% respectively
>giant set minus the helm has 35.8 weight
>havel's set is 42.5
I'm not sure how stacking works, but you get around 67.5-75 weight limit, I think, after equipping those 2. Defintely not enough to go 50%weight ratio at sl1.
>>337569765
The difference is that pontiff has animations and feet movements to justify it
The smelter demon literally, just, spins.
Like if smelter demon had a giant metal pole in his ass rotating him around every time he was attacking
It's frankly, a disgusting way to deal with circlestrafing, and pontiff does it so much better with the actual backslice blue knife animations, pirouette style movements and general quality.
>>337570095
Needs Benny Hill theme tbqhywf
>Cant immediately go to the archives
>have to kill the other lords of cinders first
FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!
>cant immediatly go to dranglac castle
>have to kill all the 4 great souls first (or farm ten million souls or whatever)
no problems here
>>337570174
Maybe it was havel instead of fap.
But it was beyond ridiculous believe me.
Hell take the crystal ring shield into the build too. make it even more ridiculous.
>>337569765
pontiff have different moveset to punish strafing with his magic greatsword without doing 360 spinning wheel. also
>pontiff hitbox
fuck you he have one of the most accurate hitbox in the game try doing sit gesture when he's doing horizontal attack 100% miss while smelter demon literally WUT ADP YOU GOT BITCH?
>>337569835
It's funny because they actually justify the dragonslayer armour's purpose in the world as well.
The lightning gems imply remnants of dragon hunts, and ornsteins implied involvement with the nameless king gives further credence to the idea that there were a lineage of dragonslayer under ornstein.
Whereas dragonslayer armour just doesn't fit into dark souls 2, literally the defining case of copy and pasting.
>>337570002
>That is not how poise is supposed to work.
Then how is supposed to work, tell us please.
>>337570002
>That is not how poise is supposed to work.
>You are not just supposed to be able to facetank shit
E p i c
>>337570071
Well for starters my main complaint stems from PVE, not much of a PVP'er myself.
But how do people not find it frustrating when you fight enemies wearing just robes, like the deacons, and you are slamming them with a great axe and their just power on through and use pyromancy, but one smack from an enemy and at best you flinch, worst case, you fly across the room.
I got through the game just fine, I even played new game plus like it, but I eventually switched to the sunlight straight sword and I'm sorry but how is it fair that rushing through with my friend we had no trouble both using that weapon because of the sheer speed and interrupt we could inflict?
The game just isn't very rewarding as a strength player, hyper armour just isn't that great a system I'm sorry.
>>337570002
>poise logic = you can deal damage at the cost of also getting hit
>block or evade logic = you can negate damage(except for some shields) at the cost of stamina
>evading also lets you reposition
I'm not even sure it can be called "facetanking" when you can still get hit, and with bosses dealing a lot of damage, it should be better to dodge or block.
The only ones complaining about poise are DEXfags who got rekt by STRfags.
>>337570330
>can't go to drangleic castle because of a 2 feet pile of rubble
top kek
I love that as you progress through dark souls 3 the black hand members actually accompany you, and so when you find his body at the grand archives, it both makes sense from a character fitting in the world perspective, and progression perspective, as the key is directly stated to belong to gotthard.
>>337570337
You still have to think about weapon weight, Havel's ring probably gives you more leeway, but I'm not sure if people would actually use that kind of build as an SL1 twink.
summonable dude lion knight albert is the same cunt that's at the top of archives with two of his buttbuddies?
>>337569115
That's how they wanted you to play the game, that's fucking it. Don't act smug and pretend like you're asking intelligent questions.
>>337570712
Soulsborne games are for casuals
>>337568387
>things betwixt is almost indecipherable, and has no purpose, why are you here, where are you etc, there's no reason for anything
The lady who looks after the old Firekeepers tells you that Things Betwixed is a "limbo". A place that connects Drangleic and the outside world.
The opening cutscene shows you falling into a whirlpool which acts as a portal.
>emerald herald tells you to collect four souls to get to drangleic, but never really tells you why it is important or gives you a strong motive.
The Herald tells you your souls is too weak to be in audience with the King. You need the Lord souls to strengthen your own.
Needing the four Lord souls to open the Shrine of Winter is exactly like needing to offer the Lord souls to the Soul Vessel to open the Kiln.
>his ring for whatever reason opens very obnoxiously locked doors
Much like how the Lord Vessel allows you to pass through orange fog gates for some reason?
DaS 2's story and how it's delivered is pretty weak for many reasons, but these aren't some of them.
>>337560020
>fuck men, im gonna be a cumdump instead
I feel really bad for her fiance
>>337558992
I suck shit at parrying but I'm trying to get better at catching R1 spam
>>337570997
Based anon
>100s of weapons, many of them unique
>over 100 full armour sets, with many different single unique pieces
>A 4th type of magic, and a rebalance of pyromancies to make it scale but keep the ability to use it with low investment
>Power stances, adding 100s of new moves to old item classes
>New item classes, and more fleshed out old item classes like fist weapons and whips
>Many more viable builds in both pve and pvp
>Some of the best and hardest bosses in souls, Dark Lurker, Sinh the Slumbering Dragon, Sir Alonne, Fume Knight, Sir Alonne, Ivory King
>Covenants that seamlessly integrate with the gameplay of the main game
>Actual metroidvania type level choices early game (Undead copse or No-mans Wharf? Or maybe I'll try pursuer again)
>Functioning stat system (stamina isnt OP, nothing like resistance)
>NG+ having many changes from the base difficulty, there are changes up to NG+3
>A vastly improved UI, for example using a grid to display items
>Numerous QoL improvements (using multiple souls at once, 10 items on the quick bar, respeccing, pressing X/A to reveal hidden walls)
>A far better designed messaging system
>Small mechanics improvements that greatly influence how the game feels (Running while locked on, aiming with crossbows, sprinting on ladders)
>Many more NPC invasions which are also unmissable because you can be invaded while hollow
>An extreme improvement over the AI of NPC invaders, some of the ones in the dlc are especially impressive
>Functioning pvp arena
>Infusing has huge QoL improvements, you can also infuse shields, bows and staffs
>Two different types of chests
>The addition of Fragrant Branches and Lockstones give more reason to go back to areas you've already explored, and are some of the most exciting items to find
>Every boss drops a boss soul, and every boss soul has multiple weapon/spell posibilities
>Adjusting backstabs, mostly removing lagstabs and backstab fishing in pvp while having it function the same in pve
>>337558843
what npc because you can only summon two for the king and they are not at sully or watches
>>337571143
Cont
All i hear is shit like how there are tons of zones that throw multiple enemies at you, well fuck, isnt that just souls? Anyone remember the first iron pig? The 3 tree mob trap? The dogs and ninjas? The instant poise breaking packs of torch hollows? The Velka crows? The Rats? The fire dogs? The ghosts? The knife throwing things in anor londo? The 2 Titante demons in sens? The Crystal Hollows at the start of Dukes? The Bonewheels? Any part of the catacombs? I could literally go on and on.
No one ever talks about how great the whole bastille zone is (Im including sinners rise and belfry luna), which is basically 1 whole demon's soul's level, or how varied the enviroments are, or how many cool secrets there are, or the fact that theres like 30 bosses, and its like 80 hours long (Sotfs) for a new player, or how many more npc invasions there are.
Infact now that Ds3 is out there are certain things that I think Ds2 does the best out of any souls game, it has the most balanced pvp by a large margin, the best poise system, the most advanced AI, the best NG+, the best, most interesting and largest variety of weapons and the best build variety.
Even after saying all that I still prefer ds1, but to say ds2 is trash is a complete joke, it added a lot to the series, and it honestly pisses me off that powerstances were removed from Ds3 just because.
>>337570997
>>337571127
so why do you keep saying DaS2 is amazing and DaS3 is shit when they are doing the exact same things that darksouls1 did?
>>337571143
>shit story
>shit bosses
>shit gameplay
>shit area design
>shit world design
>shit hitboxes
>>337571143
>Two different types of chests
can't argue with that
>>337571143
>>100s of weapons, many of them unique
all of them floaty. Very few of them fun
It is a quality vs quantity argument das2 has no quality.
>>over 100 full armour sets, with many different single unique pieces
They look like shit. Faraam looked so good on paper and in the trailers and then it looked like plastic in the game. all the metal sets looked like plastic.
>>337571204
>most advanced ai
>bosses have like 3 moves
top lel
>>337555236
How does this trigger /v/
>Iv'e never played Danksouls
>>337571275
If I wanted to play Dark Souls 1 all over again, I'd play Dark Souls 1
DeS, DaS2 and BB were all unique in many ways
>its a you have to spam roll like a retard because shockwaves episode
game would be so much sweeter if we could actually use normal movement better in pvp
>>337571275
Because DaS 2 tried to innovate itself and introduced new mechanics.
DaS 3 is just DaS 1.5
>>337560020
>Fuck men
I mean, she did
>>337571341
>opinion
>opinion, though I kinda agree
>opinion
>opinion
>opinion
>fact
>>337571372
Ran out of characters, I think It's a positive because it creates a little bit of excitement whenever you find an undestroyable chest.
>>337571404
This is mostly in reference to npc invaders.
>>337570969
Remember that is hyperarmor
Hyperarmor = Bad
Poise = Good
The less you have to do as a player the better the game.
>>337565274
>Piss stains, REEEEEE
Has it never crossed anyone's mind that you find the armor on a corpse lying face down in a just short of knee deep swamp?
>>337568841
>Can reach New Londo as the first area in the game
>3/4 of the level is blocked
what are you talking about? beating new londo without doing anor londo first is how you become a dickwraith, it's not locked at all.
>>337571948
Reminder that it's okay for game mechanics to not work as advertised, as long as it's Miyazaki
>>337571143
>Santier's Spear will never be in Dark Souls 3
I Don't care that it got nerfed to shit and that it was the weapon for shitters, it's moveset was fucking awesome.
>>337571341
I at least tried to stay away from subjective topics.
>>337572182
You can't beat it without having killed sif first.
>>337571948
>still take damage
Wooooow, why not just dodge then?
>>337570882
>It's okay because they actually wanted me to play the game in a linear fashion
Let me guess, you're one of those babbies that thinks it's okay in DS3 and DS2, too, because they wanted the world design to be linear? lol
>>337572286
I could wear havels or giants and basically take no damage too.
>>337572241
and you can just go to Sif whenever you want, hell you can do Sif as your first boss after coming to Lordran, that's not a lock at all.
>>337572241
You can still do that (way) before Anor Londo
>>337572204
Show me one ad were they promised handholding das1 poise.
>everytime you get invaded it's not a sacred flame user
is there a more boring invader to fight? you have to constantly back up and poke them to death through their 15 estus flasks, you're in zero danger but it takes forever
>>337572321
Damage is still damage, no matter how small. I'm not sure why you'll just stand there and get hit, when you can just dodge, block or parry attacks and not take any damage at all.
>>337571948
Man fuck off with that bullshit, that was one of the heaviest weapons used against one of the very first enemies of the game.
Hyper armour works fine, just don't ask me to demonstrate it in any other way, this one highly bias clip proves it works!.
Its not a great system just face facts man.
>>337572469
Are you arguing for or against poise?
Because you usually attack and just don't pay attention what the enemy does since you don'T have to with poise.
>>337572393
didn't no poise make the game easier than dark souls 1 though?
the long sword felt so strong in this game and verse every non boss enemy you could stun lock them
>>337572469
the video is probably just a poise demonstration how he can do whatever
>>337572491
Tell me an enemy to use it against then.
I just loaded up both games
Those clips are seconds old.
>>337572393
>handholding
lmao because it lets you use heavy armour in a way that its supposed to work?!
If you are wearing a slab of iron, some attacks are not going to fucking stop you swinging a weapon.
hurrr its harder with hyper armour so its good.
Why?
>>337571378
Compared to what? Ds3 has gone backwards in terms of viable weapons, not only did they fail to add even one more weapon class, they also put numerous weapon classes into the unusable tier again
>>337572224
the only reason why you think santier spear have great moveset becasue its has spin2win esque beautiful combos compared to the large pool of dull regular weapon movesets in ds2 which is ironically fucking overabundance in ds3 but people still overlook the weapon art in favour of copy pasta powerstancing just to shitpost.
>>337572393
See
>>337570393
How are you going to bullshit this one, anon?
Also, you know DaS2 had a more balanced version of DaS1's poise, right? Instead, poise literally does nothing in in 3, contrary to the fucking in-game description
>>337572514
With bosses, or PVP, its a whole different situation. Why bother getting poise when a sneeze staggers you? Just dodge or block attacks.
>>337572583
Except not take damage, amirite?
>>337572646
>Why?
Because it means you have to pay attention to the enemies.
ALL souls combat is, if you boil it down. Just timing. Timing your hyperarmor or timing a parry or timing an evade.
Poise is not interactive. It is a stat on the armor and it removes gameplay.
>>337571998
It's stained with the misery of flight. Not stained with swamp or something. It specifically says what it's stained with.
>>337572584
an enemy late game, for instance the lothric castle regular soldiers, the ones using regular-ish weapons.
Also could you please use the dragon slayer great axe, standard attack not a special attack as that is what most people are going to do the majority of the time,
Could you also please show your stats etc when you post the video.
>>337572697
Form to me seems pretty clear to be actually in a form. If you try that webm without poise it doesn'T work. It does exactly what the tooltip says.
>>337572785
>removes gameplay
>a gameplay mechanic for people going heavy armor removes gameplay
What?
>>337560020
>How to get aids
>How to become a footnote in a serial killer's career
>How to become end up used, busted and sucking meth for dick
But seriously, where's this from and who's the audience for this?
>>337572785
but then what is the motivation to use heavier armour? or weapons? When its far more punishing?
>>337572785
yeah fuck this knight faggots who want to wear heavy armor then just tank everything
learn to play, wear some good looking armor that doesn't weigh hundreds of pounds and learn to fucking roll
>>337572906
Gameplay in the form of interaction. Yes.
Poise removes the need for any thought on the gamers side.
>>337572729
small price for stagger immunity
>>337572954
>heavier armour?
Just like demon's
Better damage reduction
>or weapons?
More damage.
Also the heavier weapons have more hyperarmor.
>>337572863
It says nothing about it only working during certain attacks or weapon arts
By the way, ever try Iron Flesh?
Because that actually gives DaS1 poise
>>337563162
>adp wasn't that bad
STOPPED READING THERE!
How are they?
>>337573035
>Better damage reduction
you aren't serious are you?
>>337560020
youtube link?
>>337573091
>>337573091
>It says nothing about it only working during certain attacks or weapon arts
What do you think FORM means?
>>337572971
>Poise removes the need for any thought on the gamers side.
You know you still take damage, right?
>>337573035
my friend and I tested this out, the heavier armour reduction is actually negligible, and as I have said before the hyper armour is actually not that great, there's plenty of room for interrupt, so overall, its faster and more damaging to use lighter weapons and as long as you wear some armour its usually fine for damage.
So I'm still not seeing any motivation to use either, the extra damage reduction is actually relatively small and the smaller weapons hit faster and more reliably and so cause more damage...
>>337572971
How? You still take damage, you still see the enemy. You know you won't stagger from a small hit, that's why you know you can attack without getting interrupted at the cost of taking damage.
And again, against bosses or PvP people, will you really try to "facetank" their hits knowing you will still take damage and probably die?
>>337572984
And it clearly does not work in DaS3. Unless you count weapon arts.
>>337573150
To not break form would mean not being staggered... like in previous games. It's been a stat for a while now, anon
>>337557109
why the fuck do some people have so many clothes
>>337572853
>for instance the lothric castle regular soldiers
>>337573035
>More damage.
>Better damage reduction
You have never played this game have you?
You massive fucking sperg.
>retards thinking poise cannot be broken
Get hit multiple times, or by a heavy weapon and your poise gets broken. Its not some god mode stat that lets you ignore everything except damage.
>>337573651
It does not work. I can stagger someone in full havels with a dagger. It's horse shit. Why did they not see the writing on the wall with dark souls 2. It's beyond me
>>337573252
>And again, against bosses or PvP people, will you really try to "facetank" their hits knowing you will still take damage and probably die?
Here is a thing. I was lucky and got invaded.
And yeah. bigger weapons can trade. Old poise allowed smaller weapon users to have more poise since their weapons don't weigh as much. Hyperarmor lets me beat this fucker with a UGS.
>>337573650
Got all the achievements and according to steam 442 hours in das3.
>>337573474
>used weapon arts again.
>Didn't use dragon slayer greataxe because we both know its weapon arts is shit for hyper armour
So my solution is to use a heavy weapon with fast weapon arts yeah?
Because the dragon slayers great axe has a weapon arts that is interrupt-able for half the animation.
So you are admitting essentially that hyper armour works for only weapon arts attacks? not regular ones? and only ones that dont have interrupt-able animations, so again I ask, why should anyone bother with heavy weapons when they are so punishing in this game?
>>337573251
>poise is fucked
>excuse me, "situational"
>vit is complete fucking worthless because armor is shit
Just remove it you and let us wear whatever we want.
>>337573806
but you keep using the same attack... you cant demonstrate why this new poise design is any good without spamming the weapon arts for the same weapon....
>>337560521
... Homeward bone
>>337573875
>hyper armour works for only weapon arts attacks? not regular ones?
Depends on the weapon. Halberds for example have a lot of hyperarmor on their normal attacks.
The argument was that hyperarmor is more interactive. Not that all weapons are balanced.
Poise would hurt bigger weapons more. Because your fucking weapon weighs more. So your enemies with the small pokers have more room for poise.
And stop moving the goalposts. I posted an example of hyperarmor but you said it was the wrong enemy. I even run through the game to the enemy you specifically requested and now I am using the wrong weapon?
If I post one with the dragonslayer axe will you shut the fuck up?
>>337573806
I'm assuming normal attacks, and not poise granted by weapon arts or spells. With that, how can bigger weapons trade hits against longsword or estoc users when one hit staggers you while you're at mid swing on normal attacks, then they just stunlock you afterwards?
>>337555406
black fire orb is shit, he should have put an actually annoying spell there like tears of denial
>>337573875
heavy weapons are for more skillful players that want to challenge themselves, fuck off and use your long sword if you want an easy time/
>>337574070
Wait isn't the same attack a better comparison?
I thought if I used a different weapon or attack you would've said it is not a fair comparison.
>>337574152
You asked me what I wanted and so I posted it? then you got mad when you didnt do what I asked and I pointed it out?
Look if you dont want to do it, its not my problem, but we both know that this poise system isnt that great, if you like it, fine, but dont pretend its any good, when the majority of heavy weapons are punishingly hard to use.
If one play style is frustrating unless you spam weapon arts attacks then the game design isnt great..
>tfw some retarded guy is trying to parry my 2handed bkga
>>337574230
We want normal attacks.
The thing with poise in PvP is that it lets heavy weapons trade hits with faster weapons without getting staggered and stunlocked by them. Its the surest way to hit people with slow weapons and "poise" in ds3 fucked that up.
>>337574214
I played the game straight through three times with the dragon slayer great axe.....
>>337574214
>>337574540
and I didnt find it 'challenging' just mildly frustrating...
>>337573875
>>337574395
Okay here you absolute cunt.
Not a weapon art.
Different Character.
Even fucking bought the stupid dragonslayer axe just for you.
Just a normal r1.
>its a "solaire" with cathedral knight armor and a dark sword episode
>>337574526
>We want normal attacks.
see >>337574628
I got hit.
Didn't get staggered.
>>337574628
Am I being trolled?!
You didn't show that you can 'take hits' with hyper armour against a late game enemy?
Wasnt that the whole claim? that hyper armour lets you tank hits with great weapons as long as you time the swings right?
What the fuck is going on in this thread?
>>337574776
And now it is the wrong enemy again?
Give me a fucking second. The webm converter keeps crashing.
>>337574957
Are you insane? or just not reading what I'm posting?
>>337575018
What do you want?
No weapon art.
Late game enemy (for some reason)
Dragonslayer Axe as you requested.
Just normal r1s.
R1s timed properly so I don't flinch.
>>337575318
alright now we are getting somewhere! what is you're actual set up? I'm pretty sure those guys have interrupted my R1 before.... Interested in finding out what I have done differently.
>>337566784
Are you retarded?
>>337575590
The set gives me 11.62 poise. It is not heavy. Otherwise your basic sl80 Morne's Great Hammer build
>>337566601
Because the route you take to do those things is retardedly varied, whereas das3 you have 2 paths max at any point, it's pretty linear
>>337560020
what... doesn't this like prove the stuff men say about women.
>>337556538
Meanwhile:
>limited respawns
>horrible enemy placement forcing you to grind out enemies until they don't respawn to be able to use bonfires
>weapon stability linked to framerate
>no memorable npcs
>least interesting bosses
>oneshot gimmick bosses
>enemy tracking
>soul memory
>limited invasions
>blue sentinels needing way of the blue members on top of that, making it even less likely for blue sentinels to ever get counter invades
>needed the dlc to fix the game enough to be playable
>>337575902
>one shot gimmicks bosses
>no memorable npcs
Dark souls 3 has these problems also
>>337560579
Never stand directly under him
Lock onto the rider, not the dragon to avoid the camera spazzing out
It's really easy to dodge if you aren't directly under him when he takes off
>>337575902
>horrible enemy placement forcing you to grind out enemies until they don't respawn to be able to use bonfires
When is this ever necessary?
also, shit like "uninteresting NPCs" and "unmemorable bosses" also apply to 3
>>337571143
>100s of weapons, many of them unique
All weapons of the same class have the exact same moveset.
>>337575759
Cheers! Gonna check this against my own build later on.
>>337576132
At least on two, one with archers right next to it and one with spiders right next to it. Might have been fixed by the dlc though, never played that
DaS3 does have interesting npcs, but too many of them are directly lifted from the DaS1 or Demon Souls. Meanwhile i can't remember any npc from DaS2 but Lucatiel
>>337576281
Experiment a little. Maybe you'll find out if enemies have poise breakpoints on their attacks.
I am probably going to make a Dragonslayer Axe build next. The weapon is fun.
Also did I just win a 4chan argument?
I don't see any of the other guys who claim hyper armor is useless anywhere. I am not sure what I should do now.
>>337555809
Somebody didn't powerstance Great Clubs on launch.
>>337566198
I'd say that if Ancient Wyvern didn't exist. Aside from that it definitely has the least bad bossfights.
>>337576432
did you run this through a magnification filter on an emulator
>>337576132
>"uninteresting NPCs"
>DaS3
>best crestfallen
>best patches
>actual group of npcs involved in one of the endings
>they also add a whole new stat to your character.
Come the fuck on.
>>337576445
>das3 does have interesting npcs
Such as? Every unique NPC gives you all their dialogue at the beginning
>>337576432
Where's your Warmth? You've gotta cast GMB, stand in the Warmth, spam spells and occasionally chug estus bro. That's how that fight was intended.
>>337575902
Meanwhile in DaS3
>weapon durability stat is almost nonexistent
>a much worse enemy placement than DaS2
>tons of ambushing enemy cannot be pre-attack or aggro, some of them are scripted
>shit NPC, awful quest chain with absurd requirement and trigger
>all big bosses have gimmick
>enemy all have fuck long combo wombo attack, most of them does more damage than the fucking boss
>invasion prioritize summoned host
>a much more worse covenant which all of them is invasion/pvp centric (even Sunlight fags can invade, what the fuck)
>3 Blue fags, because there isn't enough blue
>no sin or blue eyes, blue sentinel sole purpose to to assist blue babies
>lack amount of content
>poise is turned off, making half the armor useless
>and render vit stat useless
>luck point because...
>only Captain Yoshka have dialogue among the covenant leader
>weapon balance is whack
Quick, which easy-to-get easy-to-use weapon in ds2 allows me to quickly and painlessly breeze through the game?
>>337576724
>>a much worse enemy placement than DaS2
Stopped reading right there.
>>337576496
>powerstanced drum sticks
Probably gonna play through 2 again, since 3 has little replay value
>>337576646
>gives you all their dialogue at the beginning
Not the guy you replied to but that's straight up just wrong. There are progressing quest lines, how the fuck do you think that would be possible if the npcs give you all their dialogue when you first talk to them?
>>337576761
If we were talking about 3, I'd have an easy answer for you
>>337576773
Nigga please.
DaSIII make it worse by hiding ambushing enemies everywhere and wasn't shy when it comes to pure numbers.
>>337576761
For heavy hitters the greatsword has one of the best ar of the game
For smaller weapons both the greatlance and the drakeblood sword are great
>>337576846
They could've had a little more dialogue. Otherwise I agree. That anon is retarded. DaS3 has the best NPCs so far.
>>337576632
>best patches
>multitude of players never find him cuz his shit is bugged
Any good NPC shit in 3 is destroyed by their butchering of Andre
>>337576048
>>337576132
Dark souls 3 had by far the best npc's though.
They took the bloodborne approach of making them feel relevant and interactive within the games world.
Irina's various possibilities in how you interact with heer, whether she becomes a firekeeper, her role with eygon
Hawkwood relations with the abyss watchers, his abandonment of their style and his own personal quest to become a dragon
Leonhard's implied mental instability from the scars he has, his introductory invasion teacher like dialogue, his introductory rosaria's fingers dialogue and how his personality changes to despise the player character and steal rosaria's soul from being "ruined", and the implications it has by way of rosaria being tied to gwynevere, as leonhard ventures to her chambers and her soul giving bountiful sunlight
Siegwards interaction with yhorm, his various little quests and memorable moments like being stuck down a well, sharing soup, fighting a big fuck fire demon together, "yhorm... old friend", how yhorm entrusted his human companions with the storm ruler to help him should he ever fall to ruin, all very nice little bits
Greirat's dialogue after you find loretta, his interaction with patches, siegward, his own personal recklessness and possibilties of what might happen to him
Patches role as both the Machiavellian trickster as per typical, but also how he interacts with the various characters again, how he isn't so greedy when it comes to valuing friendship with greirat, but also how he loses that when it comes to potential lothric treasures
Orbeck's position as a potential dark lord, his assistance with the twin princes, and how he and yuria intertwine
Yuria and yoel offering a way out option, and changing potential questlines with anri, the marriage scenario.
Anri, the moment in the catacombs here anri is displeased she can't find him, but if you look down you can see a faint outline of horace. The marriage encounter and the fight with aldrich.
>>337576925
Yeah but you aren't incredibly slow nor do you need to waste 30 levels on stats before your roll works properly.
You can't ignore how the player controls in this comparison.
>>337576761
Drangliec sword
>>337576773
road of sacrifices breh
you want 100 fucking sticks?
you want 1,000 fucking crabs?
maybe you wanna go to cathedral
maybe you wanna have 100 thralls fall on you at every turn
maybe you wanna have 1,000 slimes fall on you above every item
then again you might like the farron swamp
you might like 100 ghru jumping all over you
you might even like 1,000 slugs for no reason at all
still though, there's always catacombs of carthus
really, why not have 10,000 skeletons just in one spot? spooky scary am i right lol?
go on, you can have them
just reach out
and touch it
>>337576950
I agree. I loved that Patches was actually buddies with Greirat, and gets pissed off at you if you send him to Lothric.
>>337576950
>DaS3 has the best NPCs so far.
Never played a game called Demon's Souls, huh
>>337576950
DaS 3 does have the best NPCs.
Lucatiel was the only NPC in DaS 2 worth remembering. People like the Emerald Herald but she was too morose for me.
>>337577037
You don't have to waste 30 levels.
In DaSII you can engage and agro all the ambushing enemies.
They can be targeted and attacked before they suddenly jump out to you because it was scripted so.
>>337577058
see >>337577037
It works with the gameplay and with your tools.
With das2 movement I would probably also have a problem with das3 enemies.
>>337577124
I love the Demon's NPCs.
But I think DaS3 and 1 are better. Although demons I feel is better than bb at least.
>>337577154
>Ludleth
>throne calls him an Exile
>freaks out when he revives and begs for the pain to stop
>and that he's sorry for something
FROM
COME ON
HE'S TOO INTERESTING AND YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT
>>337576846
>progressing quest lines
>fire keeper has 3 unique lines throughout whole game
>ludleth as well
>handmaiden only comments on one ash type for some reason
>killing lords of cinder means nothing to anybody
Meanwhile the fucking undead merchant in 1 changes his dialogue and has more info for you based on progress and interaction
>>337577154
jesus christ no, DS1 had the best in that they actually interacted between one another and had interesting stories and plots, interesting and amusing personalities, and were all exceedingly popular for this.
DS3s NPCs amount to a few good lines at the start, and then some ridiculously cryptic systems to get them to progress to give you more shit. the best ones were just direct callbacks to DS1 but done far worse, such as siegward's whole questline only existing to give you sweet brew and then kill the whole boss for you. fuck, that has nothing on siegmeyer's quest. that shit was tight and sad.
>>337577165
honestly the first thing i thought of upon playing 2 was how incredibly fast it was after 1. 3 i feel is more towards 1 than 2, you can't say that 2 is slower. in any case, you only need about 14? levels in ADP before you are equal to 1 in iframes, and levels are handed out quite freely in 2 as they only partly correlate to matchmaking tiers due to fuck.
>>337556245
S O U L M E M O R Y
O E
U M
L O
R
Y
>>337577334
Meanwhile we got Hawkwood who actually does things in the world and updates his dialogue regularly, Patches, Greirat and Siegward all have interactions with each other that can go different ways, and a secret extra ending questline. Quality over quantity.
>>337577507
>honestly the first thing i thought of upon playing 2 was how incredibly fast it was
But it is the slowest.
>>337576992
>>337577262
The DeS NPCs were full of life, and didn't have cryptic as fuck quest lines like the DaS3 NPCs. There are many times where the only way to progress someone's questline is to either stumble upon the next step by accident, or look up a guide
The only NPC I cared about in 3, was Greirat
>read about how you can kill the firekeeper for a another ending
>as soon as a gain control i smash her
>CHOSEN ONE HEAREST THOUEST MINETH VOICETH STILLETH
>watch it on youtube
>guy hits a fucking BONFIRE one time and gets the ending
????
>>337577507
>DS1 had the best in that they actually interacted between one another
Wait what?
Which npcs interact each other.
SIegward or Patches can save greirat. Were does that ever happen in das1? DaS1 are okay but they are largely singular questlines.
>>337577585
Also Anri and Horace, to add on to the memorable NPCs that did something. Added a new mechanic too, you get to help and npc fight a boss rather than summon them for a boss.
>>337577572
B R O K E N P O I S E
W E A P O N M A T C H M A K I N G
L I N E A R I T Y
P O O R B A L A N C E
>>337577668
Found all the questlines in das3 without a guide.
Now some of them have been fixed like patches in the cathedral but I don't accept the argument that every player should just find all of them.
What is wrong with exploring shit.
>>337571035
honestly just pack enough hp to spam parry until you get it then 1 shot them
after trying this out i realized how stale ds3 pvp is and went back to BB
>>337555236
>best game
>pic related
>>337577903
>W E A P O N M A T C H M A K I N G
what is wrong with that?
>>337577814
>Which npcs interact each other
Lautrec and Patches
Rea and Petrus
Onion bro and his daughter
>>337577334
What bollocks.
Fire keepers lines change dramatically once you give her the firekeepers eyes or the firekeepers soul, and she has a lot of things about her that come into the "little quirks" range.
Ludleth similarly, change his dialouge when you get the transposition kiln, firekeepers eyes, four cinders.
The handmaiden is tied to the firelink shrine, and can have a dialogue change if you speak to the past version first, she is related to sirris as a grandmother, and as you said, has all the little comments regarding the ashes.
Andre gives updates on the world through the various coals you give him.
Hawkwood comments on your updates, killing the abyss watchers, getting to the cathedral, before embarking on his own questline
Why are you so quick to generalise the game when it's clear you really haven't exploited it to anywhere near the level you did with previous games?
>>337577585
>send Greirat to Irithyl
>he dies
>Patches gives no fucks and doesn't comment on it
>Siegward's quest line is inferior to Siegmeyer's which takes place throughout the whole game
>Greirat has one gimmic and his Loretta shit means nothing because you just met him and don't give a fuck
The best ones are the pyromancer and I guess Yorshka cuz she asks you a funny question. Patches in onion armor is pretty good and Hawkwood is alright, but ultimately the dark souls 1 references are the best while being inferior and Andre is horrible.
>>337578156
Wait how do lautrec and patches interact with each other?
One of them says something about the other. Is that what you are talking about? They really don't do anything quest wise were it changes the outcome like in das3.
And the other two examples are groups of their own questline. Not different than anri and horace or yoel and yuria.
>>337577932
I'm all for exploring shit, if there's a degree of logic to it
Two examples off the top of my head:
1)How the fuck are you supposed to know not-Siegmeyer is trapped in the well outside of the cathedral? It's random as fuck, and you'd have to stumble upon him by accident in most cases
2)How are you supposed to even know that patches would rescue Greirat, but only as long as you don't buy the catarina armor from him? I first met him at firelink, where he was wearing his normal clothes. Furthermore, buying the armor set from Patches, but not giving it to onion guy (because he's in a random well) also gets Greirat killed
>>337559903
It is a problem, but not the problem you imagine. Everyone was gimped in Dark Souls 1 to ensure the maximum amount of interaction. You used only limited resources to make characters.
Since Dark Souls 2 works independent of soul level, once you reach the last tier of soul memory you can be matched up with anyone of any level. Or in other words rather than going for a limited build you could just pump every stat to 99 and use every item.
It made it possible to stop thinking about the mechanics since you wouldn't accidentally break from the "community" and lose connectivity, but at the expense of making it more difficult to match up with people of a similar level or progress through the game. It treats PVP like something strictly for endgame characters which made them all pretty much the same character.
>>337578314
If you fuck up Siggy's questline and still tell Patches about Greirat doesn't he go there disguised as an onion to save him, since he locked him in the cell Greirat freed him from originally and doesn't want to piss him off by confronting him? I thought that was pretty cool even still.
>>337577585
hawkwood does 2 things:
- drop his actually useless shield
- attack you if you do the last bosses a certain way
his dialogue is less varied and interesting than 1 crestfallen's, and even in 2 they made their crestfallen a useful character for hints while also making him a covenanter.
>>337577814
from memory (its been some years):
bad wizard and big hat logan
petrus and maiden
my boy lautrec and the firemaiden
siegmeyer and sieglinde
pyromancer, quelana, eingyi, the fair lady
i think theres a few more but i'll find out on my next run when i clear the achievements for 3, these NG+ cycles are a fuckin tedium just to get some rings
>>337578360
>1)How the fuck are you supposed to know not-Siegmeyer is trapped in the well outside of the cathedral? It's random as fuck, and you'd have to stumble upon him by accident in most cases
If you haven't found the rosarias covenant (which I agree should be more hidden) then he yells out to you.
>2)How are you supposed to even know that patches would rescue Greirat
There are two people who can save greirat. Also there is nothing wrong with him dying. That is also an outcome.
Litterally that one part has 3 different outcomes.
How is that a bad quest in any way.
The fact that it might fails on the first playthrough is retarded.
Solaire dies almost always on everyone's first playthrough.
How are you supposed to know that you have to join a completely unrelated covenant and give it 30 humanity?
>>337578543
None of them INTERACT with each other in a gameplay way. Were their outcome changes depending on the other npc.
You mean they talk about each other to you?
Which they do in das3 too.
>>337578543
Hawkwood is also a guy with backstory that has something resembling a character arc, whereas Sauldon in 2 is some random fucker you just talk to occasionally to get items from after his giant infodump when you first see him.
>>337578302
>Fire keepers lines change dramatically once you give her the firekeepers eyes or the firekeepers soul, and she has a lot of things about her that come into the "little quirks" range.
my man she doesnt even come up with new lines after you steal the flame in the ending, she just keeps parroting that i have to link the flame. even emerald herald was better conversation than this.
>>337578156
Greirat/Patches/Siegward
Hawkwood/Andre
Orbeck/yuria
Yuria/Yoel
Anri/Horace
Anri/Yuria
Assassin/Anri
Leonhard/Rosaria
Sirris/Hodrick
Sirris/Handmaiden
Eygon/Irina
Ludleth/Firekeeper
Handmaiden/Past Handmaiden
It amuses me that not many have yet picked up on the alva, seeker of the spurned turns up at the entrance to irithyll dungeon, alva who was noted for his relationship to zullie, zullie the black witch
And what npc do you find in irithyll dungeon?
Karla
>>337578302
>all the little comment so regarding the ashes
She had 1 unique line out of however many ashes you bring
>fire keeper and ludleth change dialogues
Yes one time throughout the whole fucking game, crestfallen in 1 has more to say at the very beginning than either of them
>>337578675
Also, Crestfallen in 1 was some random fucker that got scared by a snake and went hollow.
>>337578687
>my man she doesnt even come up with new lines after you steal the flame in the ending
She is still alive even after I smashed her stupid head in End of Fire ending.
>>337578564
>If you haven't found the rosarias covenant (which I agree should be more hidden) then he yells out to you.
The problem with that is I killed the giant that he normally knocks you down to, so he didn't show up for me. I guess I'm being punished for not being a pussy and skipping that giant enemy?
>>337578564
>How is that a bad quest in any way.
Because if Greirat dies before going to Lothric, you miss out on some items. I like greatbows, so I missed out on some neat bolts. If it was obvious that I could save him in Irithyll, I would have much rather saved him
>>337564965
I acknowledge your effort, since no one else will
>>337578882
>The problem with that is I killed the giant that he normally knocks you down to, so he didn't show up for me. I guess I'm being punished for not being a pussy and skipping that giant enemy?
No that wasn't it.
If you kill the giants the cutscene plays normally and then you get special dialogue from him asking were the giants are.
>>337578882
>Because if Greirat dies before going to Lothric, you miss out on some items. I like greatbows, so I missed out on some neat bolts. If it was obvious that I could save him in Irithyll,
That is not a flaw in any way. Consequences are a good thing.
You told the guy to steal shit were it was dangerous. Makes sense that he might not return.
Also don't you still get the trades if you find his ashes then in irithyll?
>>337579015
He didn't show up for me
I could only get him to show up at Firelink, every playthrough
But you know what, I'll try again on my next playthrough. Something is fishy
>>337578746
>1 unique line
Absolutely false.
To discredit you immediately:
Greirat's ashes being warm
Warning about the dreamcatchers ashes
>>337579131
You miss out on Lightning Bolts and Exploding Bolts, both of which are pretty strong
>>337579148
Make sure you don't go up the rafters.
Maybe don't even get the deep ring.
Last time he just appeared for me even without reloading the area after I opened the main door.
>>337579152
>10 other ashes
>all "passing fine ash"
Wasted opportunity
so i heard that crossbows in 3 are complete shit, what about bows?
>>337579268
I went up the rafters each time
Was I not supposed to? That's... interesting
That's the kind of cryptic shit I was taking issue with. There was no indication at all that I shouldn't be doing that
>>337579358
Composite Bow is really scummy in pvp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG9zJuBBs2Q
>>337579559
I don't understand it either. If you activate the shortcut yourself then I would understand it. But just the rafters seems weird. They already tweaked some quest so maybe they'll fix that one too.
>>337565468
Ditch the helm for something lighter and I'll give you 9/10
>>337579358
I do decent damage with a fully upgraded dragonrider bow.
>>337560020
I don't even... who made this and for what purpose?
