https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/so-about-nx/
Emily Rogers blog.
>In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4. Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit
>There will be plenty of debates over the NX’s specs because it’s not simple to directly compare two apples (with x86 architecture) to an orange (that doesn’t use x86 architecture). But everything that I’ve heard (so far) indicates that NX isn’t going to blow away any of the consoles on the market today…except for Wii U.
So yup , Nintendo goes Nintendo. Discuss
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>>337523375
Daily reminder for the "non believers".
>>337523375
Is this that retard who makes "predictions" and deletes ones that end up being wrong?
Not giving a pageview.
>>337523375
It'sover.jsperg
>>337523375
It would jive with my theory that the NX is less powerful than the PS4.5 and Neo and that is why it isn't going to be at E3. Nintendo has a ton of floor space to only be showing one game. t really feels like they meant to show the system and backed out because they are going to get upstaged by their competitors.
Could a company blunder more?
>>337523375
So now that is "confirmed" , what is going to be the gimmick this time?
Console comes with the handheld?
>closer to Xbox One than PS4
>implying the power gap between Xbox One and PS4 is even that big to begin with
>>337523758
>Instead of Zelda, Nintendo dedicates their E3 to Mighty No. 9
>Xbox one tier in terms of powerful
>Bad
Huh?
Also
>Emily Rogers
>Relevant
My fucking sides.
>>337524005
Is this what Microshills believe?
>>337523479
A Japanese publication leaked that news. Gonna need some more convincing.
>>337523672
Well, yeah. Nintendo gives out these little teases about their new system, and right about when it's too late for Nintendo to start changing the spects as pre-production has already begun BAM! Sony announces an upgraded PS4 with 4K resolution (to go with the 4K Blu-Rays now on market) and higher specs, with Microsoft hot on their heels.
You better believe it was deliberately timed. Sony wants Nintendo out of the hardware market and into the Software market, a la SEGA & SNK.
>>337524205
No. It's what everyone knows.
>>337523672
Nintendo still maintains the narrative that they aren't competing with Xbox and Playstation. I can't tell if that's bullshit they tell their investors so they can keep turning out cheap gimmicks, or if they're really that arrogant. If it's the latter then things are really going to get bad for them soon.
>>337524035
I can't tell if I would find that hilarious, or horrifying.
Why are we listening to Emily Rogers now?
>>337524005
Actually, it is.
>>337524205
Anon, the power gap might be there, but they both get the same games at what is relatively the same quality. It wouldn't be such a bad thing if the NX was on that level, at least in the short-term.
Why does nintendo hate money so much
>>337524640
because she was right with other things. If you want to be a fanboy or deluded go to another thread.
Because this shit screams Nintendo in every part. Also remember Iwata worked on NX so this thing is pausible as fuck.
J U S T
>You are now Reggie and have the job of convincing people to buy an NX
>>337524673
>It wouldn't be such a bad thing if the NX was on that level, at least in the short-term.
But that's the problem. The "short term" is already over, Microsoft and Sony are about to roll out even better consoles just before NX comes out.
>>337524814
>because she was right with other things.
And has been wrong with other things. Her track record is too spotty to just blindly belief.
Of course, /v/ believed that controller "leak", so I shouldn't be surprised you'll believe any rumor that sounds believable. Enjoy your thread.
NX could be double the power as a PS4 and it still won't sell as long as it doesn't have game.
>>337524005
>Even saying its close to Xbone is stretching it a tiny bit
So its fucking nothing yet again.
Keep sucking nintendos dick you anime posting faggot
>>337523375
who cares as long as the games are good. I'll take another fucking ds if it means the game quality takes a huge hike in design quality.
>>337524673
>but they both get the same games at what is relatively the same quality
>Multiple XB1 ports run at 920p with bad frame rates
>PS4 versions run at 1080p with a more stable frame rate
>The NX is weaker than the XB1
>>337525012
I believe he was sucking Microsoft's dick, Anon.
>>337524664
No it's not. It's marginally bigger than the 360 and PS3 gap, and we know what that meant, right?
Exactly. Worse ports on the PS3.
>>337525012
Why is she sucking on his belly button?
According to semiaccurate, it is most likely a Tegra solution, which probably indicates that NX will be a portable system.
Not a DS small one, something more akin to a tablet sized beast to handle the 10-15 watts a tegra system needs.
So we're talking about a portable that is slightly faster than the Xbone here, that later in life will get pokemon.
>>337525060
>who cares as long as the games are good
Everyone except braindead Nintendrones.
>>337523375
>Weaker than PS4
>3.5 years later
Kek. Bye, Nintendo.
>>337525060
WiiU was literally a DS in a living room and that never happened
>>337525090
Except the PS4 is getting better versions of games because it's the more popular system? Take Dark Souls 3, for example.
>>337524842
Oh, that's easy. I'm gonna shit on my core fans and cater to the casual audience. And then I will pretend like nothing happened and Nintendo still respects their core fans.
>>337524842
"Just play the system."
Power means nothing.
Nintendo will make nintendo games and survive, they don't need 3rd party.
>>337525137
PS4 owners don't have cocks
>>337523375
I don't care if NX has two r390x in it for $500. Nintendo of America are cancer and I am not supporting them any more.
Emily Rogers is almost always wrong, and has been since Wii U launched.
>>337524842
"I'll include a gallon container filled to the brim with my own fresh semen to the first 9,800,000,000 people who buy an NX!!!"
>>337525197
Except we don't know if it's a handheld or console yet. There have been countless claims it's one or the other, with official statements from publishers and developers leaning closer to "home console" than portable.
If it's a handheld, that absolutely changes everything.
>>337525331
>Censor countless games for a child market that doesn't exist
>Most gamers are adults
They have no idea what they're doing. I'm so happy Wii U and 3DS hacking is a thing now.
>>337525391
Yeah, you're right. The WiiU is a huge success even without those 3rd party games.
>>337525391
They did that with the Wii U and it sold less than the Virtual Boy, anon.
All that matters is 3rd party if they will not work with Nintendo, NX is DOA.
>>337525512
Does the Wii U have a homebrew channel yet?
>>337525391
Except the Wii U alone proves that none of this is true in the current console market.
>>337525549
>huge success
>>337525624
3rd Party working with Nintendo means power is what matters, if it isn't x86, Nintendo truly fucked this up.
Is Nintendo retarded? I mean assuming this is true, what are they hoping to accomplish?
>buy our weak console again
>it won't have third parties again
>and our games are so simplistic that they can easily continue running on the wii u.
>we are pretty much making glorified indie games at this point and charge $60+ tip for them
>so buy our next console because we want you to, not because you'll benefit from it in any way.
>>337525549
Its not that bad, they're still making profits.
>>337524842
Easy, just keep doing what he's always been doing
I just spout memes through the entire E3 hope the userbase laugh and idolize me like they always do. That translates to sales, right?
>>337525639
No, but you can play pirated games and what not.
>>337525090
No, it's real. The PS3/360 gap was debatable, because the PS3 was such a different and PITA architecture to actually utilize. It could be more powerful if a dev really focused, but most devs want to do easy multiplats, so ports tended to suffer.
But the PS4 and xbone are the same basic arch, they're both PCs with UMA basically. But the PS4 has more GPU and faster memory, because Sony devoted more budget to silicon, while Microsoft devoted more budget to Kinect. It's like comparing two otherwise identical PCs where one a GTX 960 and the other has a 970. One is simply more powerful, and it's super easy for devs to take advantage. GPU scaling is utterly trivial, every engine since forever does it.
It's 100% Microsoft's fault frankly, they should have crushed Sony in power because unlike Sony they could afford to subsidize at the start. If they hadn't gone for the expensive Kinect gimmick and put it all into silicon instead, they'd have SLAUGHTERED Sony. No contest. Sony did a fine, solid job with the PS4, learning painful nasty lessons from the PS3, but "that's it", they didn't do anything brilliant. They just were simply competent. That shouldn't have resulted in such a dominating performance, but it did.
Sony's success this round is less down to them, though I do give them credit for actually simply being decent, and more due to Nintendo and Microsoft fucking up so badly. They should have just, you know, made a fucking vidya console with no pricey bullshit, the end. This shouldn't be so fucking hard.
>>337525623
No, it outsold the Virtual Boy. Do you actually think that the VB sold over 14 million units?
>>337525549
PS4 is a huge success without games so anything can happen.
>>337525737
You will buy it because that's how you get Zelda, hope this helps.
Lol who cares about WiiU hacking at this point.
The thing is about 8 months away from being perfectly emulated.
>>337525701
You don't actually think that I was serious, do you?
>>337523375
This makes sense
Kimishima said that they are expecting to not to lose money with NX.
Still, gg Nintendo.
>>337524842
>w-we'll let you buy the uncensored versions of games as DLC!
>Amiibo-exclusive DLC, that is!
>>337525737
nintoddlers will still go apeshit over being apart of this sinking ship called Nintendo
>>337525842
>pc fags actually believe this
Have fun with no online play
Whats the point of this garbage hardware arms race
Absolutely no game this gen uses the power to actually deliver games that wouldnt be possible on the previous one.
Now Nintendo is gonna bring out a new system which will lead to even slower development times for their first party games while retards buy the Piss4 Neon to play their Uncharted garbage at 1080p but 20fps.
We all lose with this.
>>337525484
It's a massive pile of rumors and speculations, and as far we know, it could be very well a cluster of atari jaguars on a chip.
>>337525758
I think I'll hold off just a bit. I have the files downloaded, but I'm a bit of a klutz when it comes to tech stuff.
I was able to mod my Wii, but I just know I'd fuck up modding my PSP, if that tells you anything.
Sad thing was that back in school I knew so much about computers and how they operated people thought I was "a hacker".
Old age sucks.
>>337525768
Doesnt matter
the only reason xbone sold less was because of their fuck up with used games and shit tv stuff
nothing to do with power gaps
>>337525969
Actually Sony gains, because imbeciles keep buying PS4's that require all day long to download a game or update.
>>337525960
>Have fun with no online play
Lol, oh no!
>Meanwhile people played online with Wii emulation
>>337525512
What the fuck happened at NoA?
One minute they are advertising Bayonetta 2 and Splatoon with Playboy girls. Next minute they are censoring the fuck out of EVERYTHING.
>>337526038
Yeah I'm really glad that the worst company benefits the most right there.
>>337525969
>Absolutely no game this gen uses the power to actually deliver games that wouldnt be possible on the previous one
Someone hasn't played Uncharted 4.
>>337523375
who is this quote on quote Emily Rogers and what does she do?
>>337524814
>because she was right with other things
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=179316#p647460
http://wiiudaily.com/2014/02/emily-rogers-ubisoft-watch-dogs/
People forget that an Intelligent Systems developer let the fact that he was working on a new Paper Mario gameFOR THE WII Uover a year ago, the fact that she "leaked" it is people just forgetting about that leak. She did the EXACT SAME THING WITH PIKMIN 3 FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO.
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/emily-rogers-re-confirms-and-guarantees-grand-theft-auto-5-soul-calibur-5-and-pikmin-3-for-cafe.202902441/
If NX can have quick downloads & updates, that's one way of differentiating, but if they do an NX Nintendo Direct and it's lacking major titles that people have wanted for years besides Zelda, it's curtains.
>>337526026
I understand. I'm waiting until it's better too.
By the way, PSP hacking is easy as fuck.
>>337525768
>But the PS4 and xbone are the same basic arch, they're both PCs with UMA basically. But the PS4 has more GPU and faster memory, because Sony devoted more budget to silicon, while Microsoft devoted more budget to Kinect.
Actually, this is not very accurate.
The Xbone SoC is actually more expensive than the PS4 SoC.
But this happens because microsoft did a MASSIVE blunder of shoving a 32MB SRAM memory inside the SoC, making the chip so big they had to cripple the GPU to make it actually possible to manufacture.
Was an AWFUL blunder that they could have easily avoided by basically doing the same thing they did with the 360 and put the SRAM on a separate die.
>>337526097
Reggie & Bill met-up with Anita and Brianna at a "party".
The type of party involving underaged boys and girls being used as party favors.
>>337526167
Nobody "plays" Uncharted. You watch Uncharted.
>5 years from now
>Nintendo dies
>MS is in the same way
>Only Sony in the console market
What would we do?
>>337526167
>uncharted
Yeah this type of amazing gameplay could only work on the amazing PS4 hardware
>>337525831
It's not a good idea to lean entirely on Zelda anymore. America was the only region Skyward Sword well and that was on a console with a massive install base. Souls is the new Sword-meme game now.
>>337526097
Pic related, they REALLY want the Twitter, Tumblr, "listicle" SJW market. That's why they censored FEF, #FE, XCX and PZ.
>>337525737
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>>337526219
>7
>>337526254
>>337526320
Nintendo fans everybody. Apologist experts.
>>337523375
It's a Nintendo console I knew the thing was going to be a piece of shit before it was even stated. Nintendo's home consoles haven't been relevant since the Gamecube. I'm more interested in the NX handheld (since that seems to be the only thing Nintendo is good at now a days) which was stated to be far more powerful than the Vita.
>>337526341
I already dropped Sony and go PC/Nintendo only.
Wouldnt be too terrible to go PC only, all the games are multiplats these days anyways, and that will only spread more over the years.
>>337526508
Calling out someone for making shit up in the past and continuing to do so is not apologia.
>>337526539
>>337526543
>t. Reggie's bitches
>>337526341
Sony said they don't know if they're making another console.
>>337526341
Get a second job to pay for the 599 dollars PS5 will cost.
>>337526508
>Nintendo fans everybody. Apologist experts.
Except I don't like Nintendo anymore, anon.
>>337526652
>he admits to sucking Reggie's Wii and begging for more trash every day
>>337526508
>>337526539
>only nintendo fans are allowed to dislike this x movie franchise I like
Get over yourself.
>>337526539
>>337526379
not to be a dick or something but U4 SP is just tray garbage. The most linear and movie focus uncharted yet.
Also SF0 is literally 64 with a shitty gimmick.
So stop this stupid fight.
>>337526624
I hope this is true.
>>337526539
But if compared to other nintendo games for the freaking WIiU, don't fare that well.
>>337524842
Just spit out those "dunk" memes the kids love on NoA's twitter
So is the extremely vocal shitposting Sonygger just an ebin meme persona or have things gotten this bad at this point?
Uncharted is garbage and only Giantbombers like it.
>>337526732
>The most linear and movie focus uncharted yet.
You haven't played it, otherwise you would know that's not true. It's actually very open and less linear.
>>337526836
This thread isn't about uncharted, fuck off kike
>>337526715
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>>337526789
>5 Platinum coins deposited in your Nintendo account
>>337523375
Emily Rogers is a lying cunt who got her true leaks from other sources and simply by guesssing after putting 1 and 1 together.
>>337525447
Import a Euro then
>>337526883
She has never been correct in any relevant time frame.
>>337526786
>or have things gotten this bad at this point?
Things have gotten bad. Ever since Nintendo did their last financial year report, pretty much every rational Nintendo fan thinks Nintendo's in trouble.
>>337523672
They're confident in zelda and doing full long ass demos in little booths to "Immerse" people in it and let it win them over.
>>337526883
>simply by guesssing after putting 1 and 1 together
That's still more than /v/ can manage.
>>337526786
/v is pc centric
its likely that most sony shitposts are actually pc gamers
>>337523375
Isn't that the same bitch that said the NX would be more powerful than a PS4?
lmao not even x86_64? It's ogre for them
Nintendo will die in your lifetime
>>337524842
"just give me your money"
>>337526290
>Actually, this is not very accurate.
Yeah it is, I just simplified the timeline.
>The Xbone SoC is actually more expensive than the PS4 SoC.
>But this happens because microsoft did a MASSIVE blunder of shoving a 32MB SRAM memory inside the SoC,
That itself though was basically a panic response however. Microsoft, and basically everyone else for that matter (including /v/ at the time) didn't expect Sony to go with as many clusters or a full 8 gigs of GDDR5. Faster memory got rumored well before release, but even then it was believed it'd be faster but half as much (4 GB), which would have been a blurrier difference vs less DD3. The PS4 specs & launch price, modest as they are in comparison to PC gaming, were still one of the few actual surprises I can remember in the last decade at least of vidya hardware. The SRAM was an attempt to try to mitigate the enormous bandwidth different. You might recall that Microsoft also spent more money on binning to try to get their core clockspeed higher too.
All of that though stemmed from the original sin of devoting One Hundred and Fifty Obamas worth of BOM to fucking Kinect. Microsoft could have designed it with GDDR5 and more clusters and/or better cores right from the beginning and avoided all their late hour hack attempts to try to even things up a bit entirely.
>making the chip so big they had to cripple the GPU to make it actually possible to manufacture.
No, GPU was locked in at announcement time. No changes were made between then and launch. AMD has standard offerings, Sony and MS had equal opportunity to request whatever the fuck they wanted during initial contracting.
>Was an AWFUL blunder that they could have easily avoided by basically doing the same thing they did with the 360 and put the SRAM on a separate die.
Microsoft blundered start to finish with the Bone which honestly is kind of a shame. Or not I guess, since it helped mean one more generation of competition.
>>337526836
> It's actually very open and less linear.
this is false, is not "open" is cinematic as fuck , a lot of QTE , false sense of "open" game and action pieces a lot of time , its very movie esque. But this thread is not about U4 so move on.
>>337526878
Wow , some nintendo kiddo is really mad his favorite company is on trouble.
>Lets falseflag so people cannot see the fucking blunder.
>>337527206
No, that was /v/.
>>337526786
It's been intolerable since the PS4 launched. I don't even know if I can entirely fault them since they had to suffer the humiliation of the PS3 and their current console, while selling absurdly well, just got its second game after 3 years (and that "game" is 75% movie)
It is more than $199 with a pack-in game and has a weird controller I won't even consider it. Not paying premium prices for old tech.
>>337523375
I have the new slogan for Nintendo: "One Step Forward, Two Steps Back".
Has any company mismanaged themselves this badly yet survived this long?
>>337527423
>this is false, is not "open" is cinematic as fuck
And yet you can take multiple paths at certain points or in certain levels like Madagascar, freely drive around and find side areas.
a lot of QTE
There are no QTEs in Uncharted, unless you count having to button mash in rare parts
>it's very movie esque. But this thread is not about U4 so move on.
And yet still has more to do than a lot of recent Nintendo games
>>337527654
>Has any company mismanaged themselves this badly yet survived this long?
each one of those "mismanagement's" has made them money.
>>337527654
they would be quite good as a games only developer
Nintendo doesn't have to worry about no third party support anymore, the NX is getting Doom.
>>337527654
4chan.
>>337527378
>Microsoft blundered start to finish with the Bone which honestly is kind of a shame. Or not I guess, since it helped mean one more generation of competition.
>Or not I guess, since it helped mean one more generation of competition.
Also, this extra. I mean, I wish the xbone had been fucking kickass like it should have. On the other hand Microsoft has the Windows/Office/enterprise services money spigots, so if they do badly one gen or two they'll just be back next time around and get better.
But if they hadn't fucked up Sony would have been gigglestomped, and then either gone bankrupt or split up/got out of the console business, same result really as far as playstation goes, brand would probably have been bought by some chinese or samesung or some shit. Then it would have been down to Nintendo's low powered gimmicks and Microsoft free to just do whatever they wanted to us.
So kind of glad sony got a one-generation reprieve from destruction. PS5 and XTwo will be a lot better as a result.
>>337527761
Wait do you think that straight path is open? do you think the boat level is open too? lol.
>>337523479
Everyone was expecting a Paper Mario for Wii U though.
also
>implying Blunder Splash is Paper Mario
Was releasing the Wii U like 2 years before everyone else released their consoles a mistake? It seems like Nintendo is gonna have bad timing eternally unless they either push something out or wait a long time.
>>337524842
>"To be successful, I will be handing out some Wiid"
>>337528057
It's Mario with a stylized flat 2D paper aesthetic.
That's pretty much "Paper Mario".
>>337527654
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>>337527654
>>337527423
>>337527423
>>337527809
Salty Nintendrones need to calm down
>>337525969
Mad as fuck
>>337524208
Are they talking about a new paper mario that isn't color splash??
NO NO NO NO NO
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR ULTIMATE WEAPON
As a PS4 and Wii U owner, Nintendo's sudden downfall makes me sad.
>Censor games in looking forward to
>NX probably won't be good
>Even if the console is good, the games will be censored
>>337528594
Holy shit how desperate are you fucks?
Once nintendo dies sega will come back to take it's place, and then we will finally get the dreamcast 2.
>>337528141
The mistake was not being better prepared for the original Wii's end of life. If any system got its life cut short, it should have been the overclocked Gamecube, but it was selling so well Nintendo didn't feel any urgency.
So the Wii U, based on its specs, probably came out at least a year [if not ~2] too late. It had pretty much no window to take advantage of PS360 ports because the generation was already winding down.
Nintendo could break the cycle by releasing a very powerful console that gives them some legs, but they won't because they are Japan-centric and the Western market doesn't view Nintendo favorably enough to command a high price.
So it seems like they've turtled up and are resigning themselves to short cycles and down-ports. It's sad, really. This will be their last piece of hardware in the West. I'm sure they'll keep putting stuff out in Japan, but they are pretty much all wrapped up over here.
>>337528792
That's never gonna happen.
reposting rumors and getting a few real ones isn't being true all the time
besides, shit she says is plain out fucking wrong
> it’s not simple to directly compare two apples (with x86 architecture) to an orange (that doesn’t use x86 architecture)
no it isn't, it's quite simple. ghz isn't the only measure of a cpu (and it's only a valid factor for comparison between near identical architectures)
I would be down for a Nintendo death at this point, at least on consoles. They could still release handhelds, but I want their exclusives on PC.
>>337527378
The SoC design was not changed due "pressure of sony", the plan was to have the cache all along.
What microsoft wanted was to be a smartass and save money by using DDR3 memory instead of GDDR5 and use a cache so the memory is fast enough to handle the GPU, because well, its quite common knowledge a regular medium end GPU needs 150+GB/s of memory speed.
And yes, this actually IS a great idea... if done right.
But they fucked it up with the cache by wanting to "make the manufacturing easier" by shoving it on the same die.
>>337523375
Making another PS4 wouldn't've done anything
>>337529245
fuck hit enter too early
by near identical architectures I meant microarchitectures, as obviously two x86 processors can be vastly different in performance between clockrates, even when only comparing single threaded benchmarks.
also emily stated it couldn't use polaris architecture because it couldn't be a high end system. That logic doesn't flow, it's how many compute engines it has that matters (and how little or many the gpu architecture supports being a factor on that)
So it's a handheld?
>>337525718
>3rd Party working with Nintendo means power is what matters
did you forget the DS and 3DS exist
>>337528810
>Nintendo could break the cycle by releasing a very powerful console that gives them some legs
HOW though!? Think this shit through anon, the economics of consoles are simultaneously easier then ever and also more brutal. I say "easier" because unlike in the past there is no big R&D effort necessary, everyone can just order the same stuff. But the latter for the exact same reason: there really isn't any room to leap ahead anymore either. Everyone at any given time has access to the same fabs, the same architectures, the same basic silicon technology. And margins are razor thin, yet people expect the consoles to last reasonably well, devs want either a large installed base or a big enough advantage to kickstart people moving.
Off-cycle eternally means that the competition:
1) Isn't that far off in power, because a mere 2-3 years isn't enough anymore to make a big difference.
2) Has a huge installed base already because they've already been out a few years
3) They're a lot cheaper because they've had a few years
which tends to in turn lead to 3rd parties either doing exclusives on the console with the biggest installed base or doing multiplats that target the lowest common denominator that's reasonably close. Which makes it fucking hard to compete. And of course it also means that after another 2-3 years the next gen of the competition comes out which makes it all even worse.
tl;dr: Nintendo's entire hardware focus is fucking retarded. Their strength is their IPs, their software. The only reason people love and give a shit about Nintendo is their software. They need to take advantage of the ease of matching now and just make good, focused straight forward hardware then focus on awesome vidya. The end.
WOW! Who cares about some bitch that makes guesses and is wrong 99% of the time
>>337529656
Apparently (You)
>>337528792
We both know that this is never going to happen
>>337528792
why do that when PC gaming exists
>>337529176
Yeah it is man. Sega will make video game consoles great again.
>>337530043
My opinion on Sega is higher than Nintendo now.
>They own Atlus, Persona and Shin Megami Tensei
>Resonance of Fate was great
>Bring back Shenmue as a HD collection
>Yakuza series is great and they localize them perfectly
>>337527654
>new slogan
I gonna tell you something son, nintendo is not a good company and never been.
It is just a very fucking lucky company since the start.
First, surviving yakuza and WW2.
Then blundering horribly at everything not card games until they did an arcade game that blundered horribly as well.. and then they tossed this blunder on a rookie to make him try to create a new game on it and fail so he would get the blame.
But this rookie luckly was Mr.Miyamoto, and he did donkey kong and well you know how this one went.
Then the famicom itself, it would be basically impossible to manufacture it by the price they wanted, so they luckly found a chip plant that was about to die, and got the price they wanted from it by ordering 5 fucking million of chips, on a era where anything video game not called atari sold less than a million units, and atari itself was at 7.
And then the hardware failed and they had to make a massive million unit recall... but you know how famicom went despise all that stupid gambling.
Then tetris was basically a random commie bullshit hell that luckly ended with nintendo being able to put it on gameboy, making it sell a fuckton, instead of ending with the american CEO of nintendo shot on some back alley by KGB thugs.
Then they lucked out by finding rare for boosting the Snes, lucked the FUCK OUT by finding gamefreak, lucked again with the nintendo DS, with the Wii...
So yes.. unless lady luck strike again, they will eventually die due sheer mismanagement and stupidity.
>>337528792
Sega barely works on console games anymore, you really think they have enough money to make another console?
>>337530190
Resonance of Fate was six years ago.
Sega is fucking trash.
>>337529642
>HOW though?
They'd have to release a system that was above PS4K, and even then I don't know if it would matter. Part of the problem with their off-cycle pattern is how far off the cycle they are.
I said in my post that they've basically given up, so obviously they don't see a way to get out of where they are.
>>337530190
>they localize them perfectly
Comedy duo mini game says otherwise.
>>337530417
>Resonance of Fate was six years ago.
Yeah, I only really started playing it this year and got more gameplay out of that compared to any Wii U game.
>>337530547
>sega fanboys
>>337530439
What was the problem with that except for difficulty? I found it fine.
>>337530190
>Yakuza series is great and they localize them perfectly.
Are you for real right now?
>>337530607
I'm not really a Sega fanboy though? For example, I don't like what they've done to Sonic now with Boom. But Atlus, Yakuza and their smaller series? I'm fine with that.
>>337530672
>Are you for real right now?
Except for Yakuza 1-3, they've done a pretty good job.
>>337523375
Stop posting these bullshit rumors this lying bitch has been BTFO too many times for any sensible person to take her seriously ever again
>>337530435
>They'd have to release a system that was above PS4K
My point though is that I don't think they actually can really. Or to be more clear, they can't while maintaining a standard console price, because obviously the tech exists due to PC to make something that'd slaughter the PS4 by the kind of order of magnitude needed to be a whole new gen. But not for $400, or even $500 probably, and Nintendo certainly can't afford to subsidize the difference. The fundamental economics of silicon fabrication and development really just doesn't favor being significantly off-cycle.
Although in fairness, I also said that Nintendo's core strength is software. So it'd be better then nothing to just make the most focused thing they could for $300-400, which would only be mildly more powerful then a PS4 but vastly better then the Wii U, and then just focus on top-tier 1st party titles. They'd certainly get multiplats too. It wouldn't dominate, but it'd help shore up their position, and Nintendo is one of the only players that might be able to make that work if they just change their focus a bit. They might even be able to spin it into a bit more stickiness, which isn't market dominance but is solid damage control while they wait for the next disruption.
>>337524005
It is.
And the worst thing is that, at RELEASE the PS4 already had shitty, old hardware.
So the NX is coming in 2017(!) WITH HARDWARE FROM FUCKING 2012.
>>337530754
You're an Atlus fanboy Not a Sega fanboy.
A real Sega fanboy would be anticipating the next chapter in the Sonic Boom series.
>>337531013
>they can't while maintaining a standard console price
I already covered all of that in my first post that you responded to. You and I don't disagree.
why does this thread have 200 replies
why do you all believe a literally who
Nintendo is doing what it can, they know they will never win a tech arms race against sony and microsoft
>>337531013
>Although in fairness, I also said that Nintendo's core strength is software.
Actually, this is one area where we don't really agree. I don't think they are at all on the level of other studios at this point. They lag far behind and their games are getting worse and worse.
>>337531013
The console will probably fall within the 300-400 range with about half the cost being sunk into another dumb gimmick.
Nintendo won't change, customers ask for a regular controller and solid software, but Nintendo knows better. After all the Wii U is the best selling console of the generation and all those third party devs are lamenting their decision to not support it.
>>337531271
>>337531009
after all nintendo did those last years , do you think is going to be different?
it makes sense
>selling at no loss
>other rumor about handheld/console hybrid
Is the best to face reality man, they just don't care anymore and you can see that with the wiiu. I can't believe how that zombie nintendo gave us Splatoon. Is like it was pure luck or something after SF0 and Paper mario.
>>337531334
Especially when they force gimmicks and architecture that others don't want to develop for.
>>337531201
Suppose I am then. Judging by sales numbers, is anyone even excited for the next Sonic Boom?
>>337523375
>NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4
>closer
>Not ahead
It's dead on arrival
Google is announcing a console soon.
The low price to power will save console gamingunforunately
Nintendo's problems
>nintendo fans are getting old and having families
>children don't care about kiddy shit, they want to play shooters and other stuff
>first party games already getting stale
>gimmicky shit
>treating third parties like garbage
>have retarded online
>have the idiotic 'less is more !' mindset
It's time for them to burn
>>337531241
>I already covered all of that in my first post that you responded to. You and I don't disagree.
Fair enough, I didn't catch that. Did you mean this?:
>>337528810
>but they won't because they are Japan-centric and the Western market doesn't view Nintendo favorably enough to command a high price.
I guess then the only wrinkle I'd add to that is that I'm not sure ANYONE can "command a high price" anymore. Normalfags don't seem to understand inflation, or maybe more accurately due to stagnating wages and middle class the old rules about inflation don't really apply anymore, so nobody wants to see console pricing go up even just to keep up with the same pricing as before. The Playstation 1 for example launched for $300 in 1995, which will be equivalent to something like $500 in 2018. But I bet Sony would get raked over the coals for trying to launch the PS5 at $500, let alone 599 US DOWARS. So really everyone not only have to deal with higher expectations and mobile and all that but an ever shrinking BOM.
That's why I think it's a brutal fucking market to be in. Stuff like paid online, DLC., as high new game prices as possible, etc are really tempting out of sheer desperation. Nintendo does have stuff like Amiibos so they do have decent monetization potential there. Still, it's not just that they can't command a premium, I'm just not sure that a "premium" console market actually really exists period. $400, maybe $450, is basically going to be what will get targeted next time too no matter who it is. No one wants to be "that company" that launches +$100 and gets brutalized in year 1 sales. Simultaneously launch too low and silicon gets so neutered that the system has no legs. I'm not sure anyone has much room to maneuver, actually just writing this out made it sound even worse to me as I thought about it more.
>>337531946
Yeah, I don't think people here understand how much of a difference there is between the PS4 and XB1. If the NX is that weak, it'll have problems.
>>337531980
Isn't Intel putting out some kind of console or set-top box mini-PC, too?
>>337532440
Presenting the new CD-I
>>337531980
>The low price to power will save console gaming
Not in this day and age
>>337531370
>Actually, this is one area where we don't really agree. I don't think they are at all on the level of other studios at this point. They lag far behind and their games are getting worse and worse.
I'm trying to be optimistic here anon and assume that the talent depth still exists to turn things around if, BIG IF, management got their heads out of their asses. Which in my defense is kind of a baseline assumption here, because otherwise all my speculation about a focused, non-gimmicky console is farting in the wind anyway. I mean, it is, but we're theorizing here so cut me some slack.
Also, I think their gimmick shit is a distraction that has actively harmed their software guys, who are forced to find ways to use it whether they want to or not and also are hemmed in by shallow basics. Making the hardware simple and good would also free up R&D yen for software too.
That said this anon has the likely truth:
>>337531565
>Nintendo won't change, customers ask for a regular controller and solid software, but Nintendo knows better. After all the Wii U is the best selling console of the generation and all those third party devs are lamenting their decision to not support it.
;_;
Still with the "Nintendo needs third parties and good hardware" meme.
I don't buy Nintendo consoles to play multiplats
>>337531592
>selling at no loss
They have Amiibos to offset costs. They could even release launch day special editions.
>other rumor about handheld/console hybrid
There are also rumors saying its as strong as a high end PC.
Either way, all of them have been wrong because no one predicted Spring 2017.
>>337532907
Me either, but most want third party games.
>>337525512
>child market that doesn't exist
>>337533157
For Nintendo. Kids moved onto Minecraft and iOS. When it comes to proper gamers though, most are adults.
>>337533157
>those words with that picture
>implying "video games" for millennial preteens/teens means "console" and not "mobile and web"
l-lol?
>>337532440
No clue about Intel.
>>337532229
Well, by "command a high price", I probably should have specified that I meant the upper range of what the consumer will bear -- $400. Nintendo doesn't have credibility in the West to launch at $400. They couldn't launch at $350 with the Wii U and they the 3DS couldn't get traction at $250. They didn't even sell well at $199 with the Gamecube. If the Saturn hadn't completely collapsed like a dying star, you have to wonder how well the 64 would have done at the same price.
Nintendo presents an absolutely god awful value proposition to the customer -- who aren't as dumb as people seem to think. Nintendo's systems get poor third party support, internal software is uneven, they lack the features of rival consoles and almost never have worthwhile unique features to make up for it. They released two consoles in a row where your digital purchases are bound to your specific machine, for crying out loud.
Nintendo is not an appealing product for the general public and the install bases their consoles generate are proof of that.
>>337526438
NOA has censored games for decades.Post like this show how underaged neo/v/ is.
>>337533651
I know that, but when they release games like Bayonetta fine by then start censoring like mad again, of course we'll be pissed off.
>>337526438
You're a special guy, aren't you?
>>337533913
Hello Treehouse!
>>337533847
The censoring can be attributed to Treehouse butchering localization and cutting content because it "won't appeal to audiences" or "think of the children" arguments
Uhh, let me get this straight:
We buy mobile games and it's okay.
We pay money for cross platform downgraded console games and its okay.
But it's not okay when Nintendo chooses hardware that isn't cutting edge?
>>337525137
like how low is your dick senpai?
>>337534132
Not even the guy you're responding to but mine hangs a lot lower than that. Just thought I'd share.
>>337523375
A few months ago Emily Rogers was fucking saying that it was closer to the PS4 and maybe a bit more powerful
Make up your goddamn mind holy fuck
>>337534130
>But it's not okay when Nintendo chooses hardware that isn't cutting edge?
Why would your average consumer dump their PS4 for a weaker console or if they didn't own any of the three, go for the weaker one?
>>337533651
People who act like like nothing changed between the SNES and the Wii U are completely ridiculous.
There were sprinklings of censorship in some games here and there, but Nintendo's published half a dozen censored releases in the past year. It's ridiculous.
>>337523375
Nothing to discuss. The NX is the next Pippin. The end. Everyone has known this for months now, more details just turn the hazy picture clear.
>>337533548
>Well, by "command a high price", I probably should have specified that I meant the upper range of what the consumer will bear -- $400. Nintendo doesn't have credibility in the West to launch at $400.
I think that's putting the cart before the horse though. "Credibility" for a brand doesn't derive from some innate value of the brand, it waxes and wains with the actions of the company behind it. Nintendo couldn't get $350 for the Wii U because it was mediocre and just wasn't worth $350. They get poor 3rd party support not because "Nintendo" per se, but because they make it a huge PITA to work with them.
Sony themselves is a great example of this: having the most popular, best selling consoles of all time twice in a row with ludicrous installed base and massive hype didn't save them from utterly belly flopping when the fucked themselves. They then worked very hard to try to right the boat, and after years did manage to salvage things somewhat. But even that all would have been for nothing if they hadn't learned and applied the lessons. The PS4 is almost the anti-PS3, or at least keeps the few good parts while tossing all the bad. It was straight forward, modest, focused, reasonably priced, nice to develop for, etc.
So I see no reason why Nintendo couldn't start building back up if they just did that too: no dev hostile, BOM-sucking gimmicks, no bullshit when it comes to allowed content or localization rules or whatever, decent online, and a small, simple reasonably priced good chunk of vidya hardware. Then just focus hard on 1st party IP, try to match in terms of multiplats, and go from there. They can't bounce straight back to the 80s/90s sure, but I think they still have at least a path to start climbing again. They could make hardware worth $400, if they wanted.
>>337534335
She's a female( as far as i know) they ALWAYS flip flip.
>>337524528
Same. Though my first instinct was to laugh
>>337534342
They won't, consumers can be fickle, they go with what's popular. Commercials, ads in magazine/online, word of mouth is what sells consoles to those who aren't "gamers". Just look at the wii, everyone and their mum bought one because it was the thing to have. But since then Nintendo has dropped off the map, the marketing for the wii u was non-existent which cost them sales. They relied too heavily on name brand recognition and not distinguishing themselves from their older console and it bit them in the ass.
Now instead of marketing heavily to build hype and waiting till march for release might be another fatal blow. Microsoft and Sony are releasing new versions of their consoles before Christmas to get sales, Nintendo is choosing to release a console in March, a time when the average consumer is still paying the credit card bill for the prior Christmas' presents.
Tl;dr Nintendo fucked up again
>>337524337
So this is a strategy of theirs? To test the waters and see what Sony has to offer?
Why does Sony want them out so badly? They aren't exactly a threat anymore.
>>337535026
I honestly don't understand Nintendo's thinking at this point. Obviously I don't have insider information, but from just seeing things on the outside, they seem completely disorganized.
>>337534130
You retarded?
>We buy mobile games and it's okay.
First of all who is "we"? And second, "mobile" is not a vidya platform, it's an everything platform. Most of us have at least a smartphone because it's a critical communication and information tool. Mobile games are then a minuscule to zero incremental expense. We aren't buying the thing for vidya, the vidya is just a cheap/free bonus.
In contrast a console is a vidya appliance. That's what it's for. So it sinks or swims purely on that.
>We pay money for cross platform downgraded console games and its okay.
Again I suspect most of "us" get cross plats on the PC. But even if not that again is a bonus amortizing hardware you got for something else. It's not a system seller. "Necessary, but not sufficient". Additionally even for multiplats on consoles, there is still an issue if one console plays the multiplats better then all the others. If it's all about equal it's a non-factor, but if not then yeah that's also a problem for the weaker ones.
>But it's not okay when Nintendo chooses hardware that isn't cutting edge?
Due to the above yes, it's not ok, although you're picking a bullshit strawman. No console, nor anything else in that budget range, uses "Cutting Edge" hardware. Everyone is just ordering up an APU spun from premade tech and fabbing it on GloFlo or TSMC or whatever. Almost nobody even designs anything of their own at the metal hardware level.
But we do want Nintendo to choose hardware that's COMPETITIVE. Doesn't have to be the best, but it shouldn't be 5x worse either. It should be within 25-30%, launch time adjusted. That's really not unreasonable.
Get your shit together anon.
>>337534691
No, Nintendo can't do any of that. Nintendo's systems are a "huge PITA" to work on because Nintendo writes poor development tools and releases hardware that third parties don't want to work on.
You are way, way, way too positive about what Nintendo is and where they are. The consumer doesn't want Nintendo goods. There is almost no reason to want Nintendo goods. The Wii U follows in the same pattern that began with the SNES -- Nintendo consoles fading in install base as their competition gets stiffer.
The market has straight up moved on from Nintendo.
>>337535128
They don't. Sony gaming division is actually profitable, unlike its other bleeding divisions. But you could make the argument they would be looking at a good profit by having nintendos ip's on their consoles.
>>337535220
Don't try to understand as it will only make you frustrated. The way the company is structured and its business style is entrenched in traditional ways. I'm only making an educated guess here but I think they are just so absorbed with the "blue ocean" philosophy they forgot what actually made them stand apart from others. This translates to gimmicky console design, software that just doesn't produce that same "Nintendo" feel, and I want to say a contempt for its player base.
>>337535026
I would't count those "new versions" to cause the impact as you think they will.
The price drop probably will be much more relevant.
>>337535262
>No, Nintendo can't do any of that.
Of course they "can", there's no tech or government barrier or whatever stopping them. It's "just" a management issue. Which is a big issue, skipping ahead a bit:
>You are way, way, way too positive about what Nintendo is and where they are.
I'm really honestly not at all anon. Nothing I wrote ever stated how LIKELY I thought it was that Nintendo would pull that off. I work in tech and have for nearly 20 years now, and I've seen this show in various forms before, and it's very uncommon for a company to turn shit around completely let alone pull an Apple. But it can be done, and if anything Nintendo has a lot of strengths other companies in similar positions would kill for. That doesn't make it at all probably, I'm just stating that there isn't some law of nature here.
>Nintendo's systems are a "huge PITA" to work on because Nintendo writes poor development tools and releases hardware that third parties don't want to work on.
Right, but that's arbitrary, just as it was with the PS3. Sony fired krazy ken and in general wised up, which put them in a position to capitalize on their opponents blunders. Which itself is important to always keep in mind: sometimes just showing up the race and being not-shit is good enough because competitors are fallible too.
>The consumer doesn't want Nintendo goods. There is almost no reason to want Nintendo goods.
They don't want CURRENT Nintendo goods too. And if this rumor is true they won't want Nintendo's upcoming goods either. But it's not due to "marketing" or "sheeple" or "brand loyalty" whatever, it's due to them. And in turn they could fix it if they could get some good people in commandwhich I'm not betting money on.
>>337535987
>it's due to them
"Them" being Nintendo here, just to be clear.
>>337525007
Solid point, 007. If the Wii U launched with Smash it may have actually sold.
>>337528792
The Xbox was literally the Dreamcast 2. Sega dedicated a ton of exclusives to it, and was once planned to have compatibility with Dreamcast games. Microsoft also inherited the dudebro audience from Sega's mantle.
>>337536298
>>337536208
>>337536117
>>337535987
>Wah wah, Reggie will save the Wii U, I swear!
>>337528792
I want a successor to Genesis
>>337533357
>>337533327
It's pretty well known that most 3ds owners are children.
>>337533847
Bayonetta is a clearly adult game so there would be no point trying to make it kid friendly.Stuff like bravely default is clearly made for a younger audience hence the censorship.It's all about the parents.
>>337535337
>Nintendo's Ip's on their consoles
Never ever sonygger
>>337536504
You're right. Nintendo would go full smartphone if they dropped consoles.
>>337536298
Sega dedicated a ton of exclusives to it
Like what? Only one I can think of is Panzer Dragoon and Jet Set Radio
>>337536579
Exactly.
>>337535987
>but that's arbitrary
It really isn't. They don't have the same knowledge base that a company like Microsoft does for development tools. They cannot compete in that area and the industry is long past the point where the platform holder is to be catered to, especially if they aren't moving systems.
>They don't want CURRENT Nintendo goods
The pattern has been progressing in earnest since 1995. There was a brief reprieve with the Wii and DS, largely on the back of selling to people who don't play games. Nintendo banked their money on it and good for them, but they don't have much standing left in the general consumer base who buys video games.
>But it's not due to "marketing" or "sheeple" or "brand loyalty"
Where did I say it was? I said Nintendo's situation is the direct result of releasing decades of bad value propositions to the consumer -- who isn't dumb.
>they could fix it if they could get some good people in command
The time to fix it was after they banked 10 billion dollars or whatever it was from the Wii and their competitors were scrambling to finally turn a profit on their systems. Instead, they basically abandoned the Wii for the last ~2 years while they struggled to push out HD games for Wii U's launch.
Nintendo is basically out of time.
>>337523375
>Nintendo goes into a generation half way in with something just as powerful as what's out there right now
>>337523375
>In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4.
Nintendrones will defend this
>>337536764
Just like with every console or handheld they've put out since the DS, they're banking on whatever gimmick they've come up with.
>>337536579
No, they would partner up with another Japanese company and continue to put out consoles while expanding into other areas.
>>337536579
>>337536618
So it would benefit no one if they went third party.
>>337535948
I could have expanded on it a bit better I agree, my point went towards the fact that inventory would be pushed down in price, those wishing to upgrade who already own one console would trade in or sell.
Ps4 and XboxOne are leading the gen, go into any store that sells games and compare the amount of shelf space allotted for each console. The Nintendo brand name no longer carries the same amount of pull it did even 3 years ago.
They should have began working on the NX during the first year of the U's release when the first signs of slow sales began appearing. Now they delayedfurther due to, in their own words " to have a good software lineup at launch" and yet the only game we know that's been confirmed is Zelda Wii U/NX.
>>337536451
>It's pretty well known that most 3ds owners are children.
Yeah, manchildren
>>337536208
If the WiiU was not named WiiU, it would have sould the double it did.
Everyone thinks its a Wii accessory.
Meanwhile Sony will release PS4K with a 390 GPU. Nintendo is fucked.
>>337536298
>a ton
They definitely dedicated some, but Sega whored themselves out to everybody.
You had Sega shit on everything after the Dreamcast went under.
>>337536925
Well, its quite obvious nintendo should start marketing this fucking thing as soon they can, as in they should have started already.
>>337536504
Read carefully, my response was pointed at a question as to why Sony would want Nintendo out of the console business. Learn to read before making a baseless judgment as it only makes you look in incompetent.
>>337536591
Shenmue, GunValkyrie, Headhunter.
>>337536834
They are really overrating their capacity of coming up with appealing gimmicks. And with the way they treat consumers >>337536778 they better pray this has broad enough appeal because they sure as hell won't convert bots and niggers like that. The NX has the potential to make the Wii U a moderate success in comparison.
>>337537030
PS4k is irrelevant, and will have to face a terrible evil uphill battle againstThe 100 dollar cheaper PS4
>>337536298
>The Xbox was literally the Dreamcast 2
no
The Xbox took some cues from the Dreamcast and Sega made a few exclusives for it
#1 I want the NX to be affordable. I'm only getting it for Nintendo games. $150 handheld, $250 home console.
>>337536737
Eh, I don't really feel like arguing this more since it's Devil's Advocate anyway and I don't actually believe in them to any real degree. I just think that the current market continues to evolve very quickly, there is plenty of room to try to remake the game board in various ways. I don't actually think Nintendo has the command capability or flexibility to capitalize on that, but I've personally witnessed surprisingly rapid changes in the past when some breaking point is reached and someone fresh is brought inand often those rapid changes are the nail in the coffin of course. I guess we'll see, I was just trying to construct a case for it, thinking more like a vulture fund. Nintendo has unrealized value is all.
At any rate on the current trend we're probably largely in agreement, it'll be a continued decay, kind of like RIM/Blackberry maybe. Old companies can stick around for a surprisingly long time as shadows of their old selfs. There's the Sega option for example.
>>337537030
Talk about a bottleneck. PS4K is fucked if the rumors about its CPU are true.
>>337537030
Speaking of "fucked" god damn Shima-tan's ass is just criminal.
>>337537117
Exactly, but they still think people will line up for it. But here in burger land the only holiday I can think of in March is Easter, and it might have been a while ago when I went on an Easter egg hunt, the eggs weren't chock full of video games or consoles, mostly they had shit chocolate and disappointment inside. But whatever I'm not in charge of Nintendo and never will be, they can do as they please, but it's a business and investors generally hate to see one bad decision after another.
>Emily Rogers literally said weeks ago the NX would be as powerful if not more powerful than the PS4
>She now says it's not
>/v/ believes her
What the fuck is wrong with you people
I know it's not trendy but I don't buy consoles for their hardware. I don't play games for their graphics. I don't NOT play games for their graphics (unless it runs at 5FPS).
I play games for their gameplay. I care about how they play, and how you play them. I'm interested in the sort of features a game has to enrich my playing experience. I'm an idort, I don't give two dicks about fanboys or their made up console war that is literally free advertising. I care about video games.
That being said.
With how much Nintendo and others have been stressing hardware for the NX, it has me worried. Worried that the NX is yet another multiplat machine. I don't care about multiplats because they're ALWAYS the kind of game I have zero interest in. They're the sort of game that can't make it on one or two platforms so they have to scrape all the sales up they can. Such as Assassins Creed, CoD, or FIFA.
Yes, there are some good multiplats out there, but exclusives are always the cherry on top. Purely because they're developed with a goal in mind. Made by people who usually care and want to make a good product. They want to make a strong, lasting game. They don't just want to hork up another pile of reused assets. If more multipats were developed like exclusives (like Rayman Origins), the world would be a better place.
tl;dr I don't need another CoD box.
>>337537289
Depends on how accurate the rumors are about what Sony actually wants to do with it. If they want perfect compat with the PS4, as in it's literally the same thing with a better GPU so it can run games natively at a higher res, then the CPU doesn't really matter. It's not meant to be a new gen.
If they actually intend there to be titles exclusively for it though (and god would that be stupid but hey) then yeah, keeping the PS4 CPU would gimp it pretty hard.
>>337523375
Are people actually believing this slut? I wish I could remove her ability to spout bullshit.
>>337525061
Don't lie to me kid. The x is at 720 while ps is at 9. Neither have done 1080 unless it's in house game
>>337537194
The only thing I could see working is if they somehow managed to pull off a console dedicated to VR before any of the major competition.
Stuff like the vive, and the content out for it, is kind of pathetic right now. If they were able to create something of that quality of higher, but with polished Nintendo games lined up for it, I think they could nab the normie audience just like the Wii.
Fat fucking chance though.
>>337536737
>the consumer -- who isn't dumb.
>>337537523
>I know it's not trendy but I don't buy consoles for their hardware.
Neither does most of the industry, they just like to pretend otherwise.
When it was marketed that the PS4 would be stronger than high end PCs, people wouldn't shut up about it. When that turned out to be bullshit, they backed off and suddenly claimed they didn't need good graphics are stable or decent framerate.
It's all bullshit my man.
So Nintendo really don't care about third support and they want another gimmick,
Well , i didn't felt for the wiiu and i think NX is not for me again. Hope the handheld is good.
>>337537694
You won't see Nintendo jumping into VR until we hit PS8 and XboxSe7en
>>337537660
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates
>>337537289
CPU is boosted by 30% aswell.
>>337536737
>Nintendo is basically out of time.
Since 1889.
>>337537523
>I know it's not trendy
Please don't indulge in this passive-aggressive shit anon, you know damn well that on /v/ as much as anywhere people care about gameplay. However, IT'S NOT A ZERO-SUM GAME. This isn't an "either-or" thing, Nintendo doesn't somehow get better gameplay out of having shitty hardware. In fact, due to their addiction to gimicks they don't even get CHEAPER stuff out of shitty hardware. Nintendo's in-house devs make solid games and gameplay on garbage, but if they were put to work on good hardware they'd still make solid games and gameplay, plus it'd look better, and they might even have better gameplay thanks to having more money and time to focus on polish rather then gimmickry.
In the old days yes, it was more of a problem because competing at the top meant you had to spend a shit ton of R&D, have huge capex for factories and the like, etc. Now though? Everyone just calls up AMD or ARM or whatever and gets what they want on a given budget, has it fabbed at TSMC and assembled at Foxconn or wherever and that's that. Nintendo could compete easily, in fact it'd be cheaper and let them focus more on games. They don't because of brain dead decision making. That's the criticism. Great graphics aren't key, but there's no inherent virtue in requiring shit graphics either. And I say "requiring" because you can certainly still do cheap or "retro" even on top end hardware. All good hardware does is give devs options.
>>337537418
Indeed
>>337537992
Not boosted enough.
>>337523375
I literally don't care.
>Rumours
We literally don't know anything about the console. For all we know, it's a handheld with Xbone specs.
>he thinks it's a handheld with xbone specs
I don't, I just think it's stupid to believe a rumour from a mildly disreputable leaker, and then to turn around and say that the console is going to suck solely based on power.
>>337523375
>Emily now thinks she's a seer because she got Paper Mario right somehow
Has Emily Rogers ever been wrong about something?
>>337537660
Darksouls 3 is 900p for XbOne and 1080p for PS4
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-dark-souls-3-face-off
>>337538221
Whenever she gets something wrong, she deletes her fucking accounts on every website and starts from scratch again
>>337537874
Well color me surprised. To be honest I only own like 3 ps4 games and 5 xbox ones. I do most my gaming on handheld and pc. Sorry senpai
>>337538179
>somehow
She read what a developer said publicly.
>>337537523
>I know it's not trendy but I don't buy consoles for their hardware. I don't play games for their graphics. I don't NOT play games for their graphics (unless it runs at 5FPS).
>I play games for their gameplay. I care about how they play, and how you play them
You said that after the garbage that was SF0 controll theme?
I bet a new gimmick is coming anon.
>>337537874
DELETE THIS
>>337523479
The dumb bitch also said that it wouldnt be anything like sticker star, and see how that turned out. Fucking attention whore
>>337538302
How likely is it she's right about this? How often is she right?
>it's a rumor thread episode
>>337538074
There is no virtue in having shit graphics, but good graphics come at a cost.
Development for Nintendo inhouse titles slowed down a lot with the WiiU.
Shit slowed down all across the board on every system. We're getting much less games now.
They could obviously just deliver worse looking games on stronger hardware, but then the userbase would bitch, and people like me would bitch about having to buy new hardware for games that dont even look good, like I do with the new King of Fighters for the PS4 which looks like it could EASILY run on the PS3.
I am not that guy you responded to and I dont share his opinion fully, but I see very few advantages in this stupid hardware arms race.
It made us all suffer since the PS2 gen.
>>337538086
See >>337537572. It's the PS4k, not the "PS5". If the goal is just to "run PS4 games better" then +30% CPU & +200-300% GPU is plenty good enough because there will be no fundamental differences in terms of stuff like physics or whatever.
>>337538442
>How likely is it she's right about this?
Less than 50%.
>>337538442
Its seems inline with the original NX leak which came from Nikkei that says NX is android base a year ago.
Generally Nikkei is very reliable with its Nintendo rumors which Nintendo always denies but time after time been proven correct.
>>337537132
Nintendo would never be outed of the gaming market they have a hold on handhelds and possibly mobile.
As long as they make a profit they'll use that to keep making consoles, they have something "unique" to offer that the other competitors don't have.
>Incompetent
Talking about fucking video games on a Taiwanese basket-weaving forum. Get over yourself.
>>337538532
You don't understand. PS4 has a shitty CPU. They could have kept the GPU the same and put in a better CPU and there would have been a big improvement still.
So yea, not boosted enough.
>>337538672
The Android OS rumor was deconfirmed by Nintendo themselves
I just want the NX already. Damn year long wait.
>>337538672
And that was the one rumor Nintendo publicly denied and no one has since even mentioned Android in regards to NX.
>>337538672
Nikkei also said Nintendo is no longer producing Wii Us this year when Nintendo themselves confirmed it was 2018.
Take that for what you will.
>>337538974
I'd be surprised if Nintendo hasn't already stopped purchasing WiiUs.
The problem is Nintendo hope that people will buy their crappy hardware in order to play their (in years past) great games. Since there is no other games on their system apart from theirs - they pray that people will buy their console for that reason alone , but the problem with that nowadays is that their game quality has dipped MAJORLY, the last ten or more games they have put out have been not just average but POOR quality and some even offensive (published or developed, like Devils Third and Star Fox Zero).
Couple this with poor marketing, a downwad trajectory of sales for decades on end barring the Wii anomaly, a stereotype of kids games (because that's what Nintendo games are) and you have a product that will keep failing without change - as the definition as insanity goes doing the same thing and expecting a different result is such.
Nintendo need new employees with new ideas and new breakthroughs (possibly new gimmicks) in order to succeed and they refuse to do this - thus far.
>>337538512
>>337538074
That's my biggest issue; that while in-house development has slowed down for all three major hardware providers, development has NOT slowed down for yearly installment developers. That's what I was jabbing at with my post, that soon all three console options are just going to be "Which console are your friends playing Battlefield on."
Instead of "Which console has the control gimmick/game series/1st party devs that you like best?" They used to sell hardware to bank on software sales, now it seems that they want to sell hardware for someone else's software sales.
I'm not singling out any hardware maker specifically, except Microsoft I guess, what do they even offer in terms of original IPs anymore.
>>337538512
>There is no virtue in having shit graphics, but good graphics come at a cost.
Not at this level they don't. This isn't cutting edge stuff, this is budget stuff. All "better hardware" means in terms of consoles is that the target platform is slightly closer to the developer's PC. Textures can be downscaled a bit less, there can be a bit more AA, draw distance can be a bit farther, etc. It's not about making Crysis, it's about making Zelda a little nicer. Given how assets are developed and how modern engines and middleware work often it's pretty much "free" even. And that's particularly true compared to the work of trying to do something special with some unique UX like a handheld second screen.
>Development for Nintendo inhouse titles slowed down a lot with the WiiU.
Yeah, and that wasn't because of great graphics and a powerful system, obviously.
>Shit slowed down all across the board on every system. We're getting much less games now.
That's economics. Look at the PC, there's plenty of room for indies and niche who are very much not doing cutting edge work. But more power benefits them too, because it means they don't need to be wizards to hit a basic level.
>I am not that guy you responded to and I dont share his opinion fully, but I see very few advantages in this stupid hardware arms race.
The point though is that on the console side it's not an arms race anymore. All the actual low power tech advancement is being driven by the enormous battle in mobile/notebooks/hybrids and the warchests of the likes of Samsung/Apple/AMD/Nvidia/Intel/Qualcomm. The console stuff is all purely trickle down and basically just COTS.
>It made us all suffer since the PS2 gen.
No, there was a brief period where it got bad. But that ended this gen when Sony and MS dropped bespoke and went to COTS. Now it's all about integration, developer services/relations, supply chain management, and higher level systems engineering.
Why do you dipshits always fall for "insider" info?
>>337539207
We're thirsty.
>>337538684
>they have a hold on handhelds
Because they are pretty much the only company still bothering to make them and even then, 3DS is their worst selling portable of all time.
>and possibly mobile
No. Mobile is all Google and Apple. Unless Nintendo wants to directly compete with those two players, they'll be putting their mobile software on another company's platform.
It will be interesting to see if Valve gets any traction with their "Steamboy" portable that is supposed to be coming out at the end of this year. The immediate potential of a library that size with digital distribution is interesting.
>>337538684
My mistake, I see your point.
But then why shouldn't they commit a full handheld market which they already have cornered and simply develop for a console/pc crowd. It would make sense since they would see sales and wouldn't have to worry about console development costs and online infrastructure since it would already be in place?
>>337539207
Because we are women who likes to gossip about inane things.
>>337539131
>development has NOT slowed down for yearly installment developers.
It has. Most of the yearly series are produced by cycling teams. CoD has three teams that works on CoD all at once.
>>337538684
You are dangerously delusional and uninformed - please get a reality check because you are bringing the standard of this site down with posts like this.
>>337539207
If it makes them look good, it's "bullshit" and "written by a fanboy"
If it makes them look bad, they're "out of touch" and "irrelevant".
That's how most rumors on /v/ go.
>>337539081
I agree with most of your post, and while I agree Nintendo is making bad decision after bad decision they have made some good games like splatoon and pikmin 3. Their issue isn't game design so much as its their management decision making.
>>337538790
>You don't understand.
No you.
>PS4 has a shitty CPU.
Yeah but that's not changing until the PS5.
>They could have kept the GPU the same and put in a better CPU and there would have been a big improvement still.
ONLY IF THEY PLAN TO COMPLETELY SPLIT THE INSTALLED BASE. Which would basically mean the "PS4K" would in fact be the PS5, because it'd be focused on new exclusives. But it doesn't look like Sony wants to launch the PS5 now, they want to "run PS4 games better, particularly at 4K resolutions", as in people who bought PS4s will still be getting games at the time that will still work on their 720p/1080p TVs. So it's the GPU that matters primarily, the CPU just has to be a little bit faster to keep it a bit more fed for higher resolution.
For the PS5 yes, they need a hugely better main CPU as part of the package to enable actual non-graphics core updates. But that probably isn't planned for at least another few years.
>>337538839
When Nintendo says it isn't running Android, they may mean that very literally. That wouldn't preclude it from running an OS based on Android.
>>337539269
Still stands.
I said "possibly"
>>337539314
Ask Kimishima.
>>337539368
How about you stop shitposting and arguing with me for no reason? Do you have that big of an ego? Don't make me feel sorry for you.
>>337539081
Thank you for paraphrasing that whole spiel everybody knows already by heart. You're the hero that /v/ deserves.
>as the definition as insanity goes doing the same thing and expecting a different result is such.
By the way cool kid, this isn't "the definition of insanity" like your crappy videogames taught you. It's just something that Einstein said, only retards parrot it.
>>337539131
It hasnt slowed down for the cancerous AAA companies because they have the money to throw at that shit.
CoD is made by multiple teams. Like I'm pretty sure its more than two now which is insane.
Only EA/Activision tier companies can afford that and only they benefit from this shitty retarded arms race.
Everybody else loses.
>>337539179
Better hardware means assets have to be made in higher quality.
That leads to longer development times.
And the slowdown of development for WiiU titles was DEFINITELY because of a more powerful system.
Nintendo themselves said that they didnt expect HD development to take that much effort.
You cant even say that its not a factor when EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPER slowed down after the PS2 gen.
Compare Capcoms game output now to their NES-PS2 days.
Or Square Enix. Or Sega. Or anybody really.
Everything got more expensive because of this stupid arms race.
People expect Uncharted levels of graphics wank and they dont care about games taking longer to develop or getting dumbed down because making big open detailed worlds on that level isnt viable.
Nothing ended. The PS4 and Xboner still get fuckall for games.
We are still waiting for games that were announced around PS3 launch for fucks sake.
>>337524842
MELEE HD
>>337524842
I would pick up a NX if there was a full splatoon port. With a gampad and gryo aiming and everything. Splatoon is the only thing keeping my WiiU alive.
>>337538074
Mighty No. 9 alone is amounting to what a million dollars or so? I don't think costs have come down significantly. It can't be cartridges or whatever bloating the cost, so the only thing I can think of is advertisement budgets.
>>337539619
I would but that guy scares the shit out of me. Whenever I see a picture of him he looks like a pissed off old man with possible yakuza ties. I'd rather just wait to see what he does and whether Nintendo gets any more of my money.
>>337539695
So mad yet you can't refute my argument
Your life must be pure suffering, drone.
>>337539806
>Mighty No. 9 alone is amounting to what a million dollars or so?
>implying a few million was much even in the 90s
>implying MN9 is an example of anything except corruption
>>337539825
>I would but that guy scares the shit out of me. Whenever I see a picture of him he looks like a pissed off old man with possible yakuza ties. I'd rather just wait to see what he does and whether Nintendo gets any more of my money.
This is the average Nintendo fan on this board. This is an example of their mental process.
>>337524842
We're releasing pokemon mars excsluively for the NX!
And you will need it to get the exclusive three psychic monkeys!
>>337539948
>waah don't call me out on my lousy copy-pasted attempt to sound smart ;___;
I can comment on your argument without feeling the need to refute it. Even if you say something right you can still do it poorly ;^)
>>337540032
>>337540156
>>337539948
Anon's why so bitter? It's just vidya.
>current journalists
They don't even have bachelors degree. I'm not saying she isn't right but writing doesn't ever make you an expert.
NX is probably garbage but you're citing a source from somebody who is desperate to find credibility from a degree that has none.
>>337540032
How is me making a joke become a mental process? Take a step back and relax for a bit, this whole console war bullshit with Sony/Xbox/Nintendo fans is fuck retarded as fuck. I have all three and the only thing I get upset by nowadays is when I run out of snacks while playing. Remember games are for fun and unwinding, not for trying to create to sort of game of thrones divide.
>>337523375
That's good for a handheld.
Which the NX is, because you guys need to realize its a fucking handheld.
>>337540384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8
>emily thread
Report, sage, hide.
>>337540636
We aren't getting a handheld anywhere near the xbone in terms of power.
>>337540636
Damage control is yours to do.
The NX being a handheld is a damage control level that you're not willing to reach.
It's like admitting that you're done with the console race. That's fine if you never go back.
It's fine, but now you're up against Apple.
I dropped Nintendo around about the Wii era so I couldn't give 2 shits about their future so it begs the question.
How do modern day Nintendo fans feel about Nintendo right now?
>>337539613
>ONLY IF THEY PLAN TO COMPLETELY SPLIT THE INSTALLED BASE.
They are already splitting the fanbase if the rumor is to be believed. Not only is the machine boasting better performance but it will work better in regards to VR. The only defense is that third party devs will accommodate two different specs.
So yea, don't buy that and they should have bolstered the CPU more.
>>337540749
But we are.
It's called the Nintendo "NX" (whatever they're actually going to call it)
>Emily pretending she knows anything
She's just circle jerking sources again, nothing to see here
>>337539617
I don't think there's any console manufacturer that would take the chance of using a third party based OS (which is why PS3 removed the ability to install Linux), they will most likely create their own to cater to the specified hardware. Nintendo is one of the more technically inclined companies of the three, it's why their games are unmatched in stability.
>>337540862
You're so old man. Like, you must be, 20 or something..................
whoa................
>>337540890
No, we aren't.
Do you have any idea what a handheld like that would cost, let alone how bad the heating issues and size/weight would be?
>>337540862
i-it's not too bad, honestly. i-i mean, Star Fox Zero was a misunderstood masterpiece with fantastic everything that got shat on by people who didn't understand the control scheme
>>337541163
Played it and beat it, the control scheme is learnable, but it felt very unnatural as opposed to other games like splatoon.
I can't believe people give credibility at this person.
It's because is a girl?
Imagine a guy doing the "delete and pretend never say that" strategy
>>337541290
I like to pretend she's a hotty with big, thick nerd glasses.
Where's Endless Ocean 3 for Wii U
The thing is fucking 9 months out. We literally only know it's probably a console.
I don't trust a word out of Nintendo's PR team, as they're going to give a bunch of non-answers a la "The NX is not a simple successor to the Wii U or 3DS".
I don't trust any of the rumors since the majority of them were proven false with the reveal that the NX will be launching next year in March.
Just fuck it. Nintendo, drop the fucking bomb already. Stop being so secretive. Stop jerking us around for fucking a year and a half.
>>337542674
>We literally only know it's probably a console.
50/50
>>337542986
the announcement that Zelda is gonna launch simultaneously on Wii U and NX very very strongly suggests the NX is gonna be a console.
I actually find it funny that the previous rumor's about the NX being a bit more powerful than the PS4 ( or at least around the ballpark) were all met with instant skepticism.
But when a single rumor( from the same person behind the previous rumor) says that it's about as strong as a XB1 its all true and Nintendo is doomed?
A bored chinese cartoon god comes, and says to you "the specs you say will be the specs NX will have and nintendo have no way to control it".
What specs do you make NX have to make this god entertained?
>>337532057
>tfw I have that club nintendo 3ds case
>>337543150
There's the same amount of skepticism, Emily Rogers has had shit on the floor for a while now.
For example: Where the fuck is mother 3 gonna be announced? E3? Nintendo's NX conference predicted for September?
>>337543234
I shit on a raspberry pi and present it to him
>>337543234
>all the god specified was "specs"
>some idiot /v/irgin asks for a GTX 1080 and a POWER 9 with NVLink and 128GB of RAM
>Nintendo has no way to stop themselves from releasing a $4000 oven box that takes a kilowatt
>Nintendo immediately goes under entirely
Fucking chinese monkey gods offering wishes to autists.
>>337543694
Watching nintendo damage control the fuck out of it, specially after a literal housefire would be entertaining i suppose.
>>337540862
Still the best around.
>>337540862
It's still the best around, but completely awful and only the portables wortth buying.
Why do people STILL believe what the bitch says?
The only thing she gor "right" was Paper Mario, which was first leaked by an Intelligent System employee anyway.
She also said this game would "not be another Sticker Star at all". Yeah.
Also people who believe her fail to list any other time she was proved right, while times she was proved wrong are countless (I'm sure enjoying GTA5 on Wii U).
>>337525969
Yeah man, battlefield 4 current gen and last gen are the complete same game. Absolutely zero upgrade from last gen.
>>337543886
True. And shit, what do I know. There are a good few hundred thousand millionaires or more out there, and a lot of them are young and either made their wealth in tech and like tech or inherited it and like tech and might actually pay a crazy premium for the most ludicrously powerful "console" ever, that'd still be more powerful then even the next two regular gens. Maybe it'd even actually possibly work, because even if Nintendo just sold a few tens of thousands each one could be like $10k or whatever, and the games could all be expensive too. Pure luxury. Kind of hate to say it, but in the modern hyper capitalist world, shit, so insane maybe it'd actually make them money.
>>337543352
At this point I'd rather believe Supermetaldave than her. Almost of his predictions have come true at least.
>>337523375
Why is Emily Rogers so useless?
Everyone with half a brain can tell that the NX won't be more powerful than the Xbox One and PS4 after they talked about not selling it at a loss.
Shit would be expensive if it was more powerful and no one in their right mind would buy it.
>>337544614
And if it fails, they just do arcade boards with it.
>>337544665
You do realize the PS4 was not sold at a loss, right?
>>337523375
>Nintendo arriving at the party 3 years late and still weaker than the competition
Alright, hol up. Can someone explain Nintendo's thought process here? Why are they even bothering to release this piece of shit?
>>337523375
I'm buying the NX if they bring back cartridges .
If they required every company to do a different color that would be fucking amazing.
Here comes another shitty console
>>337523479
Didn't she say that it wouldn't end up like Sticker Star?
Literally who?
Jesus, this is like the gaming version of wrestling dirtsheets. Make a vague guess at something most people are saying, allude to some "sources" then wait for the result. If it's anything like what you said, you were right but if it's not then you can just blame your sources!
>>337544847
That's an oxymoron.
>>337544727
And look how expensive it was.
Imagine a more powerful console not selling at a loss with the market flooded by consoles.
Again, shit would be expensive and not sell.
>>337525061
That's wrong. Ps4 games always run at 20fps and xbox runs at 40 or 30fps
Sony just tricks gullible morons like you with marketing
>>337545123
>Implying xboxhueg wasn't based
>>337545123
That's not what an oxymoron is. Oxymoron are words that mean separate things like "Jumbo Shrimp".
>>337545220
Maybe he thinks consoles are great.
>>337543234
A dual PowerPC 2 Ghz pair of main processors, a powerful DSP to copy off data from the several memory pools and perform matrix multiplication, a GPU dedicated to 3D quadrilateral graphics, a secondary GPU dedicated to 2D graphics and mode 7 planes (each with its own memory pool, with the 2D one having the bigger pool), an x86 atom repurposed as an audio CPU controlling an powerful yamaha midi chip and a ARM9 and it's own memory pool for the bluray handling.
>>337544697
Yeah, alright let's fucking do this. Even the 1080 isn't good enough, too cheap and shit. OK god, we want this:
- 24 core Power9, max eDRAM, running at 5.5 GHz, direct NVLink 2.0
- 2x fully enabled Nvidia GP100 based GPUs
- 64 GB HBM2 memory
- native 10GbE ethernet
- multiple DP1.4 out, can drive 8K screen or 4x 4K screens
There we go! Make it happen, I'll leave the gold/platinum plating add-on options and the like up to Nintendo.
>>337523375
>Nintendo releases yet another underpowered console that can't even beat the weaker of the two competitors
>Over half way through the current gen's life cycle
The most pathetic, cuckold console there is without a doubt. I bet all you little beta orbiting SJWs are going to be playing your moe shit from the cuck shed.
>>337545160
>And look how expensive it was.
It's sold 40 million consoles to date. When it was still regularly $400 without a game, it sold 4.2 million consoles.
You act like technology hasn't progressed since 3 years ago. Nintendo could easily make a console that's 25-50% stronger than the PS4 for the same price the PS4 was at-launch. It's just how technology works.
>Again, shit would be expensive and not sell.
Explain the PS4 then.
>>337545160
>And look how expensive it was.
$400? Expensive? That was a damn cheap launch price, it's part of what got it such early momentum. Wii U was $350 at the time and vastly less capable, and the bone was $500 and also less capable though to a lesser degree. Playstation 1 was more expensive at launch.
>>337545358
Only 799 US Dollars!
>>337545394
Even for a company as stubborn as Nintendo, this seems reaaaaaaaaaaally unlikely. Investors are probably pushing them to be more like the other consoles and
>>337545589
Will sell well in japan if you use a karate fighter as a mascot or something.
>>337523375
Literally just throwing money away
>>337545394
>random memes the post
What the fuck none of this even makes any sense. SJWs don't play moe games, too exploitive against STRONK WOMYN, and the moe game platform is the playstation anyway.
>nintendo will never make the most powerful console of its generation again
Kill me
>>337546094
When was the last time they did that?
I love how people here believe rumors about Nintendo only when they are negative.
>people still unironically believe the NX will be strong
Stop. It doesn't even matter is that emily who is 100% wrong, you just know Nintendo will release an underpowered piece of shit with a garbage gimmick, you know it's true.
>>337546283
Nintendo 64
>>337546094
Would it really matter anyway? 3rd parties will continue to duck Nintendo and all you'd be getting is another Nintendo box, regardless of power.
It's too bad Iwata is dead so we lose the pleasure of having him try to explain away and apologize for software droughts for yet another console.
Dead on arrival.
>>337546307
It's probably going to be fine,except for the memory.
Nintendo ALWAYS fuck the memory since the NES.
Also it will support 32Khz audio.
Not "close to 32Khz", but exactly 32768Hz.
Every nintendo game since the snes use this audio frequency, even when the hardware can support more, of even when they have tons of disk space. Its some sort of audiophile superstition the have.
Daily reminder it doesn't matter what Nintendo does. Third parties will NEVER come.
Best graphics? Doesn't matter.
Graphics on par with competition? Doesn't matter.
Best sales of the generation? Doesn't matter.
Third parties just want to support Sony and that's it. Everything else they say is an excuse.
>the NX will be Nintendo's Dreamcast
>>337546467
>3rd parties will continue to duck Nintendo
>>337546634
>Call of Duty 3 on Wii actually came out in 1899
Whoa...
>>337546634
Now the bigger question is why the fuck they released Call of duty 3 during the Meiji era in japan?
I mean, there was no electricity there yet, much less televisions or devices able to play games and war portraited in the game was still not a thing.
>>337546634
>this is what nintenyearolds actually think
Hahaha. Never change.Oh wait, you don't, that's why Nintendo is in this predicament, because they always fucked 3rd parties in the ass and have never stopped, even after they lost monopoly power.
>>337546467
>3rd parties will continue to duck Nintendo
Nintendo made that bed themselves. They don't have anyone but themselves to blame.
>Use expensive cartridges that you sell directly to third parties on N64.
>Charge higher platform royalty fees than PS2/Xbox on Gamecube, and charge more for the dev kit
>Overclocked Gamecube with a gyro mouse
>Basically releasing an Xbox360 with more RAM and a better GPU ~7 years later
>Consistently bad software tools with the dev kit
>Technical support questions need to be translated into Japanese by NoA, sent along to Kyoto, and then translated back into third party's language.
>>337546634
someone actually believes this
>>337546794
Nah, Nintendo hasn't fucked up for 3 generations yet. They still need to make weird add-ons to put their console on life support, release a few flop systems (game gear, saturn, NOMAD), cancel a system (neptune), and finally actually make a good system and put it out too early.
>>337546991
>Consistently bad software tools with the dev kit
source? I never head about that.
>>337546938
>>337546962
>>337547019
>Publisher: Unknown
>>337547074
Go look it up. It's not a secret. Wii U was just the latest in a long line of less than ideal dev kits.
>>337546835
For starters, 3rd parties have been ducking Nintendo for a decade. Why would they start now?
>>337547018
>Nintendo hasn't fucked up for 3 generations yet
Gamecube
Wii
WiiU
all essentially the same system
>They still need to make weird add-ons to put their console on life support
motion controllers, literally having an iPad for a controller
>>337547489
Not that guy, but there really is no way you can argue that the Wii wasn't a massive financial success for Nintendo.
>>337546595
>Nintendo ALWAYS fuck the memory since the NES.
To be fair Nintendo have used cutting edge RAM a few times.
RDRAM was absolutely cutting edge when used on the N64. Over 500 MB/s of bandwidth and even had a 9th parity bit (like server RAM) used for anti-aliasing.
Gamecube had cutting-edge 1T-SRAM which was like some ridiculously low latency RAM almost like a hybrid between conventional RAM and cache.
The only problem was the N64 was screwed by only giving its RAM a single memory bus, while the Gamecube was screwed by giving it only 24 MB of 1T-SRAM and the rest of the console 16MB of ridiculously slow DRAM (how slow? slower than PS1 RAM slow).
>>337546991
You forgot they were humongous dicks even on the NES and SNES. NES at least could be mildly justified because the market was so new and no one was entirely sure what would fly and they didn't want to provoke some hostile reaction, but by the SNES that shit was long done. Nintendo though was huge and powerful and they could dictate how everyone else would be, and they took full advantage. Devs were desperate for an alternative, which is why so many flocked right off to Sony. You barely even covered how fucked up the gamecube development process was. Full gory details:
>https://dromble.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/
Hell, Sony only even developed the PS1 at all because Nintendo embarrassed them horribly by canceling on them and going to a competitor literally the day before the announcement for the SNES CD. Back then most of Sony thought getting into videogames was stupid and beneath them. Krazy Ken only convinced the CEO by pointing to the dishonor Nintendo had done them.
Nintendo has been the marketshare underdog for so long that young people who didn't grow up in the 80s have forgotten how they acted when they were king. They were not nice rulers, even though some good stuff came out under their watch.
>>337547630
I agree. I honestly wish it sold like shit so Nintendo would have just skipped the WiiU and put all its power into making an actually good system.
>>337547690
>To be fair
Holy Christ, is there more a tumblr-tier thing to say?
>>337547489
WiiU is very different from the Wii/GCN.
The video chip is not that ancient alien bullshit anymore, but a regular modern GPU.
It still use the same PPCG3 of the other two, but from a programming standopoint, its the same shit as a jaguar core as everyone use C.
But that ancient alien GPU from the Wii, holy crap.
>>337547630
It was, but hurt nintendo in long run.
Lost every 3rd party support.
Do not know how to make hd games in 2016.
Rely on gimmicks.
Not a single new wii owner bought wiiu.
>>337547489
You're thinking in arcitecture. As it has been proven time and time again, only one thing matters: Sales. If it sells, it's a hit. If it doesn't, it was a failure.
Gamecube didn't sell amazingly, but sold twice as much as Wii U. It did alright.
Wii Sold fantastically and is the best-selling Nintendo console to date. The fact it was also sold at a profit lead to Nintendo making an estimated 606 million bucks just selling the damn thing.
The Wii U is the first console Nintendo has put out that is an unmitigated failure.
>>337547765
>WiiU is very different from the Wii/GCN.
Really? But why does it still look no better than GC/Wii?
>>337547690
>Over 500 MB/s of bandwidth
And fuckton of lag and 4KB of manual texture cache bullshit.
>The only problem was the N64 was screwed by only giving its RAM a single memory bus, while the Gamecube was screwed by giving it only 24 MB of 1T-SRAM and the rest of the console 16MB of ridiculously slow DRAM (how slow? slower than PS1 RAM slow).
This is THE problem.
This memory basically crippled how much triangles you could use on the stages etc.. underutilizing the system's triangle pushing capacity horribly unless you used the ol copypaste trick, like the Zelda WW grass or pikmin etc..
Also 81MB/s that the 16MB had was like Flashcard tier.
>>337547812
Because you don't pay much attention and is not very technically inclinated, otherwise you would certainly noticed the realtime shadows, ambient occlusion, indirect lights, and the fact it runs 360/PS3 games, which is something Wii can't do at all.
>>337548183
Too bad the WiiU came out fucking a million years after the 360.
>>337526786
It's gotten bad. I just don't care anymore. They're going to have to pull something amazing out of their ass to sell me the NX. They just wont stop shooting themselves in the foot and are actively pissing off the people who have stuck with them the longest.
>>337548259
I bought a WiiU so I could play Super Smash.
>>337548228
Well yes.
I never said anything about it being actually good, just that it was very different from the Wii.
Also if nintendo didn't fucked with its memory and just slapped 4GB of memory on the system, it probably would fare a LOT better even with the underpowered GPU, because it would be able to cheat a fuckload using PRT textures.
>>337537182
crazy taxi 3
otogi 1-2
house of the dead 3
sega gt2002
toe jam and earl 3
>>337523375
wtf. why is nintendo always playing catch up? nigga, we in the VR age.
>>337523479
But wasn't paper Mario leaked before my an IS employee?
>Nintendo never learns
I can't wait for them to finally give up hardware and develop games for multiple systems.
I love their games but they're fucking retarded.
>>337523375
>NX isn’t going to blow away any of the consoles on the market today…except for Wii U.
The Wii U blew itself away, like a Muslim in a crowded place.
And yeah, I'm done with Nintendo. I'm sorry Nintenbros. It's just too much to ask of me.
Non-competitive hardware, because it's not even as powerful as a PS4. NoA still exists, so games are going to be butchered because "muh localization" (i.e. instead of "Hello, brother!" it'll be "What up, bro!" shit), instead of just straight translation from Japanese to English. All that large library they're boasting is nothing more than ports of Wii U games to NX, which you have to pay for (basically rebuying a game you already own), instead of finding a way to enable backwards compatibility--I'm willing to buy an attachment to make the older games work, because I'll be damned if I have to rebuy games because they're trying to Jew me out of my money!
When did Nintendo become the Jews of gaming? Is it because of NoA's evil whispers? They need to shut those fuckers down!
>>337548636
This.
Seriously, it's long overdue. I can respect that they try new things with hardware, but the industry has matured and there's so much competition and innovations in that field that their own innovations have been relegated to gimmicky status that at best serves no purpose, and at worst hampers the experience.
>>337526438
>NoA and Buzzfeed
I want off this train!
>>337525768
Highly inaccurate. MS will never "slaughter" Sony. For that matter, nobody can because Sony has games. If you were going to beat Sony, you would have to make a developer friendly platform that is more profitable to develop for. Sony helps developers too much for anyone else to be a serious competitor. Developer friendly platforms have always made gains. Sony was not the first to use this approach. NEC competed against Nintendo and Sega this way and was largely successful because of it.
If developers have an easy time making games, nothing else matters. It's the same reason PC has fewer games. Even with all that power and user control, developers still do better with Sony. Even the fucking Vita of all things is more profitable to develop for.
>>337548731
WiiU is a ninja.
Always invisible, always lurking and with some good tricks on its sleeves.
Except it is supposed to be a fucking game console, not a ninja.
>>337548073
>fuckton of lag
I'm guessing you mean latency, because RAM doesn't have inherent 'lag'.
>4KB of manual texture cache
There is a common misunderstanding that the size of the N64's texture cache was unusual or a problem. The thing is that 4 KB of texture cache was pretty standard and expected at the time. The problem really goes down to the limited memory buses. The N64 can't texture directly from RDRAM, only from the texture cache.
See the diagram for the difference between N64 and PS1.
>>337536451
>Bayonetta is a clearly adult game so there would be no point trying to make it kid friendly.Stuff like bravely default is clearly made for a younger audience hence the censorship.It's all about the parents.
The games that have been censored are rated T and M. There's absolutely no justification for censoring them based on their ratings. Shit like Senran Kagura is far more risque and it's still only rated T.
>Nintendo BTFO again
>MS won't bother on gaming console again
>Sony isn't sure about the PS5
>Normie shit like CoD is getting BTFO as well
Is this truly the beginning of the end of console gaming?
>>337548979
The biggest problem with the N64 cache was not the size, but the fact it was a "manual cache".
On the PS1, as you go rendering, it automagically switch around the cache contents, thus allowing you to easily use big textures on the system, while on N64, if you wanted something bigger than 32x64, you had to use several small textures and switch manually.
>>337549085
I still don't understand the point of the Fatal Frame censorship. That shit was already M.
>>337547790
I don't think so. Nintendo's gotten hammered ever since Sony decided they wanted a piece of the pie. The Wii was an anomaly in a downward spiral.
I attribute their failure more to marketing, an inability to get with the times, stubbornly attempting to remain as child friendly as they possibly can actively upsetting the people who care about them the most, and willfully remaining completely oblivious to their faults as they fall back on their powerhouse IPs.
>>337549290
I don't understand any of the censorship. And I understand the apologists even less.
>>337549273
That's not how it worked. The PS1 cache only activates automatically if you use textures 32x64 or smaller. The cache didn't help large textures. But you could load them straight from VRAM, unlike on N64 where you would have to manually break them up.
>>337549496
Shiteaters, mostly. They just accept it.
I think they've quieted down a good bit after so many censored releases, though. You can't say with a straight face that there isn't something screwy going on when half of the games Nintendo's publishing are getting edited.
>>337549571
Was not like a weirdass tile bullshit?
>>337549682
I like anything that changes weebshit into less weebshit. It's kinda like in Japan, Nintendo is publishing more weebshit, and NoA/NoE have no fucking idea how to deal with it.
>>337550697
>I like anything that changes weebshit into less weebshit
That is such a fucking weird opinion to have.
There are countless games out there that are as far away from "weebshit" as you can get, but you look to the Japanese company, and their more niche products (i.e. not Mario), and think, "yeah, make that less Japanese."
I mean look at fucking #FE. That's made for people into obscure Japanese stuff. There's no way around it. That's the core audience. They're the only ones who are gonna buy it. But you censor it anyway.
Why?
>>337523375
Is there any reason Nintendo shouldn't use x86? It seems like they make decisions without thinking them through these days.
>>337524842
PLAY THE GAME
> visible difference between xbone / ps4
console plebs everyone. A bunch of crybabies who try and find subtle differences.
>>337551245
If its a portable system, its a bad idea.
There is this SemiAccurate report pointing out to being a tegra variation, with nvidia doing a really, really good deal with nintendo to get in the game.
And well, the ARM chips the Tegra use are actually quite on par with the AMD Jaguars, but using less power.
>>337551970
It would be great if it was co developed with Nvidia like how the N64 was co developed with Silicon Graphics. It would explain them not announcing it at E3 too, since Nvdia has little presence there.
>>337552383
If its using tegra, nintendo would be basically just doing the white plastic around it.
>>337525623
>and it sold less than the Virtual Boy, anon.
this is some low tier shitposting
>1995-2000 Nintendo is never coming back
>they will always try to get kids, casuals and tumblr as their main audience while their left core fanbase still sucks their dick
>they will end up making mobile games
>their games won't sell shit on the already oversaturated mobile market, so they'll move to something else, like toys, movies and theme parks
>they will slowly die as the gigant on the industry they were once
>mfw
>>337551010
I feel so burned with #FE. For over two years, I kept wondering how it was gonna turn out. You have Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem crossing over, and that left me with high expectations. I didn't even necessarily need the characters to cross over, just the spirit and gameplay of both franchises. But it didn't turn out like that. Instead of using SMT, they took the "general Megaten battle system" that's present across multiple series, slapped on a tangentially related title, and made an idol high school teenager JRPG. What a fucking copout. And the only Fire Emblem games acknowledged are Shadow Dragon and Awakening, because God knows what'll happen if they get more obscure than that. There some class promoting and a bit of a weapons triangle, that's alright. But to me, #FE is huge wasted potential.
Just because something is Japanese, it doesn't make it weebshit. Neither Shin Megami Tensei or Fire Emblem are typically weebshit. However, the most popular Megaten games and latest Fire Emblem games are pushing in that direction. #FE is that taken to an extreme, because they clearly weren't confident that either audience would buy this crossover, so they said "Fuck it" and decided that otaku were a more reliable consumer base.
If NoA changes Tsubasa running around in her underwear or gravure photos, fine by me.
>>337528729
(you)
>>337552818
>their games won't sell shit on the already oversaturated mobile market
nigger if a shitty game like miitomo is doing extremely well, im sure whatever else they put out with their actual IPs will do even better
>>337553364
Wheren't they just said they were having trouble making profit of Miimoto even thought his succes?
>people are still making threads about this known liar
Jesus Christ do something else.
>>337553691
Yeah, is not like Nintendo will suddenly change it's mind and bring us a quality, full powered console instead of some cheap smartphone-tier trash.
who here thinks that at the time nx gets revealed, sony and microsoft will have already obliterated theirs specs with new systems?
nintendo is unbelievable these days man
>>337554376
Specs alone don't sell systems.
CoD does.
And PS4 has CoD.
Every new detail makes me strongly think the NX will be a handheld.
>Uses cartridges
>Will get Wii U ports like the 3DS got some Wii ports
>It won't be much more powerful than a Xbone, which makes sense for a handheld
>The 3DS, like the Wii U, is in its last moments of life, Sun and Moon might as well be its swan song
My money is in a very solid and powerful handheld that can be plugged on TVs.
>>337554554
yeah but on a multiplat market, specs are everything
wii/wii u versions of multiplats were always kiddo versions of the games, separate development.... shit
what im trying to say is that, once again, nintendo will get their lunch stolen
they go by not announcing anything for years, and thats the oposite of what sony does
sony announce and announce and hypes and pixars every E3, and people buy it
i understand nintendo policy, but sony have demostrated that in this time and age, IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT
fuck
>>337554665
If that's the case then I wish there were an emulator soon, so I won't have to pay for an overpraised iphone that just run expensive games
>>337554739
You really think that was the slightly superior hardware of PS4 that put it where it is?
Nope, was the 100$ less and CoD.
People will pick the easiest system on the start of generation to play CoD/Madden on and stick with it because all his friends are on the online server of this console, so there's no reason to buy the other.
And PS4k will suffer due that because the cheaper PS4 will be the "path of less resistance" fo the PSN CoD servers, and people will pick it instead.
But nintendo DOES have a chance if it is indeed a "portable Xbone", because that would make it the "portable CoD box"
>>337554996
ps4 sold because specs and microsoft bailing hard on users expectations of a home console
and it's hardware is shit, that is why theres a skew into pc gaming these days
that and also sony's bullshit again and again
nintendo still have the best games for many people, but they need to step their fucking hw game up NOW
they need third party support at competitive levels
they basically need to have the last dark souls or overwatch, and that to sum up to their own IPs is GOLD
>>337555263
If specs were a major selling point, the sega genesis should have completely died as soon snes was released, and neo geo should have eaten both for lunch.
The specs are only an issue when the developer have to redo the whole game from the ground up to run on it.
>>337555379
you need a machine that is competent on multiplats
you need support from devs
you need indies
you need that AAA multiplat that is the flavour of the month
and you need your exclusive IPs
Nintendo threw the towell years ago into trying to compete with the others hw-wise
the snes was a technical marvel, and a lot better than genesis in terms of sound and graphics
>>337554935
Oh don't worry, you'll have just to wait 4 years or so, like for the 3DS.
>>337555548
All the things you listed aren't "having the best specs on the market", which is the point being put.
>>337548906
>nobody can because Sony has games.
>>337555703
i understand, but if you don't have good specs, you cant compete in multiplats
it also hurts your IPs, that look like a 1080p wii
>>337524337
>People still talk like it's 2005 all over again
The console wars are done. The territories have been drawn out years ago. Companies all now want their own League of Legends that cost virtually nothing to maintain but net a billion a year in sales over nonexistent content. This model proves to be successful and beat out the motion control hype. That's why everyones doing it.
>>337555548
They didn't throw the towel since they literally told thirds to submit or fuck off, thus they moved to other consoles like Playstation or Sega.
In other words they felt so entitled they thought they could do watever they wanted, treat both their customers and developers like shit without any consecuences.
>>337555760
Yes, the specs must be good enough to run most games being made well enough, but other than that, people won't care much.
>tfw long term nintenfag
>tfw unlikely to get the nx because nintendo are floundering
>tfw the PS4 isn't past compatible so I'd have to get a PS3 to experience all those games I missed
>>337549764
>Was not like a weirdass tile bullshit?
Nah. Neither N64 nor PSX GPUs have tilemap systems. That was the Sega Saturn with its second GPU (VDP2).
Although the texture caches do lend themselves nicely to pseudo-tile mapping.
>>337555548
>the snes was a technical marvel
I'll give you the sound technology was ahead of its time (though didn't necessarily sound great - the limited sound RAM gave it the distinct muffled compressed quality).
But nothing else about it was a marvel except for the Mode 7 trick. PC Engine / TG16 was 3 years older technology console and it could display more colors.
For consoles of the 16 generation the CPU was extremely important, and the SNES was far behind the Genesis in that department. And without a good CPU you can't throw around lots of sprites.
Or do any graphical tricks other than Mode 7 without expansion chips. Thanks to its fast CPU, the Genesis can almost do Star Fox on the base console alone.
>>337558110
http://problemkaputt.de/psx-spx.htm#gputexturecaching
Consulted techdoc stuff to remember.
Basically the whole playstation texture memory is a single "huge" bitmap like pic related, and when you're texturing, you use memory texture coordinates.
And what the cache apparently does is to divide this bitmap into blocks of 32x32/64x32, and either you tell it to manually load one of those blocks or it loads the whole block when you try to access the texture from that point.
With this kind of memory, you can easily use a bigger than 32x32/64x32 texture by well simply placing the whole thing on the "bitmap" at once and making sure your engine will sort the triangles by their respective "tiles", while on N64 you would have to slice the bigger textures in upload blocks and manually track em and shove etc..
>>337532440
It's a deal with Tencent in China, though it's streaming based even with an Intel internal APU
>>337558318
>console and it could display more colors.
That's a bit of a discussion.
PC Engine can indeed use twice the number of total colors on its tiles as it offers 16 sets of 16 colors each, while snes only offer 8 sets.
But each color set on the snes can use one of the 32768 colors, while the PC Engine is limited to a 512 color total palette.
And snes can blast away the 128 color limit by using its transparency effects and quick HDMA palette swap, also the mode 7 plane if i'm not mistaken use 256color tiles.
>>337558784
Yes, the PS1 can address up to 256x256 bitmap blocks at any one time, while the total bitmap can be the size of the whole 1MB VRAM in theory.
You can't do that on N64 because the texture unit does not have access to RDRAM, only the texture cache does.
>>337558318
Also for 2D games specifically, the PC engine actually trounces both snes and genesis on CPU department, because its 8bit CPU have a very, very good IPC rate, which is why it is so good at/filled to the brim with space shooters.
>>337559185
Indeed, but i think its simpler to work with the PS1 cache as well due the way textures are mapped.
>>337559127
The fact that the SNES is not outright superior despite being 3 years newer (during a time of rapid technological advancement year by year) pretty much nips the SNES from being a technical marvel.
It also bears worth mentioning the Genesis was 2 years older than the SNES as well.
>>337559251
>the PC engine actually trounces both snes and genesis on CPU departmen
The PC Engine has a great 8 bit CPU, but it won't win against a Motorola 68000 which can do a LOT more per instruction.
>>337538019
Nobody was saying "Nintendo is doomed" in 1889 you retard
>>337559483
Well, while snes can't do more colors, it can do 4 background layers, can do transparency, can do more sprites per screen (well theoretically, as the CPU can't keep up with it), so i would say its pretty much a wash.
The part where PC Engine only have a single background layer is actually where it hurts it the most, given the fact it makes games like SF2 look quite worse.
And while the 68k can do more with its instructions, the "more" does not include quickly assembling sprite tables or updating background tile indexes, which is a good if not great part of the whole weight of a regular 2D game thus why i specifically said 2D games.
PC Engine can't into ResQ bullshit, but it can run neo geo games better than the genesis or snes.
Just ask its near flawless neo geo ports made with the arcade card that is just a cartridge with 4MB of memory.
>>337559956
>PC Engine can't into ResQ bullshit, but it can run neo geo games better than the genesis or snes.
This has more to do with the fact that the Neo Geo's VPU and the PC Engine's VPU are coincidentally very similar.
>>337524205
Its entirely resolution based, the difference being 900p and 1080p at most
Its barely existent, find any game released 2014 onwards that have a clear big difference
>>337523375
They said the same for the wii u. As powerful as the ps3 and xbox. But it turned out that the shit was weaker. The same will be with the nx.
Can anyone give a list of reasons why she is so blindly believed?
Other than her Paper Mario guess, what has she nailed?
Anyway, just going off the idea, I've been thinking that the console is some sort of weird hybrid device and the Nvidia guess and this sort of fits that line of thinking.
>>337560049
Not much.
They're just fucking good at pushing a lot of sprites, which is why neo geo ports run laggy as hell on snes and genesis, but smooth as butter on PC Engine.
Another show off part is when PC Engine does big characters like pic related.
The PC Engine as stated before can't do multiple background layers, so everything that moves independently of the background on the system IS composed of a fuckton of sprites,.
>>337525768
>APU with 1.6 Ghz "SUPERCHARGED OCTA"
>competent
okay champ
>>337523375
>Emily Rogers
Nothing to discuss. End of discussion.
>>337560223
Not counting the launch ports, WiiU generally "trade blows" with 360, outperforming it on some scenes but getting outperformed on others.
And there is this racing game i think a need for speed where WiiU just defeats 360/PS3 in everything.
>>337524842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9V214VPbHk
>>337560364
No I mean that the PC Engine's VPU is focused on drawing lots of sprites like the Neo Geo is.
Genesis and SNES VPUs were built with the assumption that the tile mapping would get a big work out and the sprite components were less emphasized. The tilemap and sprite engines are separate (with a die scan you would see it).
But that doesn't have much to do with the CPU.
>>337560447
The "supercharged" thing comes from the fact the GPU can help the CPU more directly, and its used on games like Resogun, Resgun and well, Resogun.
>>337523672
That's not how planning works anon
They plan their E3 set ups months in advance
There is absolutely no fucking way they suddenly backed up because of a rumor of what isn't even a direct upgrade of PS4
>>337560612
Need for Speed Most Wanted U was like the only third party game actually ported by the original developers.
>>337560734
All those systems don't have any sort of lag while drawing sprites on the PPU side, they don't have a frame buffer to store the "previous frame" or anything like that.
No matter what you do with all their sprites, you always get em on screen at 60 fps.
The whole lag comes from the CPU having to update the table and sprite coordinates, and well when it is not fast enough like the snes, it ends only updating some or none at some frames, effectively crushing the frame rate and making the PPU repeat coordinates.
can someone fucking explain why people jerk off about how much power a console has till pc is mentioned and then every one doesn't care about power but the games a platform has?
>>337560830
Technically Crysis 3 but that ended up in the garbage bin.
Nintendo is just a complete cancer nowdays. I can't wait for them to go the way of Sega so I can enjoy their good games(all two of them)on proper systems like the PC and PS4. It's just retarded that I have to buy their overpriced underpowered region locked piece of shit console to get my fix of Smash and Zelda, the investment is just not worth it when they barely have any game worth playing, and even those which are are held back by the shitty hardware and ridiculous nintendo policies like Amiiboo garbage and barely any online because think of the childern.
>>337560927
Well, graphic whores are kinda like rats that quickly abandon boats, only leaving the smarter people discussing.
And yes, every platform has a bunch of graphic whores circling it, even things like the Wii.
This is why that The Conduit sold at all.
>>337561084
They have other good games as well like pokemonMistery Dungeon.
>>337560237
she got some vague bullshit right in the past, and once you get something right you will be a "reliable source" in gaming news sites' eyes no matter how much you get wrong afterwards
she's in the same tier as liam rogers basically, they've even backed each other up in the past
>>337560898
>60 fps
That's not actually true, there are many games in that generation that are capped at 30 fps (Beyond Oasis for example), by doubling the previous frame. Framebuffer systems also work like that.
You can artificially slow down the game if you feel the PPU will not handle it. It's usually done to prevent sprite flicker.
>>337561086
Are you implying conduit shouldn't have sold?
That shit was good
>>337524673
The Wiuu had no qualitiy game, your argument is invalid, nintenbabby
>>337561191
liam robertson that is
>>337561198
To make 30 fps on those systems, you updated the sprite table only every other frame, but the PPU will redraw the graphics 60 times per second no matter what you do, because it simply can't do it another way because it can't store the composed graphics due no frame buffer.
>>337561189
Pokemon stopped being fun for me after I exhausted all the bugs in the 1.0 american cart of pokemon red when I was 12 years old.
As long as Nintendo makes a console that third parties can easily port and develop for, they can use whatever architecture they want
>>337561084
>Games like Mario and Splatoon
>held back by hardware
nigga, pls.
>>337561527
>they can use whatever architecture they want
If literally 100% of the competition uses x86 then Nintendo has to use x86 if they don't want to be the special retarded snowflake which isn't worth developing for.
>>337561518
Did you caught mew?
>>337561256
3D World was a quality game, oh but no your going to bitch about the design
Tropical Freeze was a very high quality game, but your going to bitch about being a 2D Platformer
Splatoon, Mario Maker, Xenoblade and others were clearly made with high quality but your going to find something to shitpost
>>337561084
another sour grapes fag hiding under an emotional guise.
>>337523479
>another Paper Mario game
FUCKING STOP
Give us a real one, we are fucking dying for christ sake!
>>337561591
Actually, CPU architecture is not much of an issue unless the CPU is horrible at some specific task.
Everyone and their moms use C on game programming since the PS1 era, so all you have to do is swap the compiler and bob's your uncle. the code is already running and probably close to as fast as possible.. in terms of CPU of course.
GPU will fuck everything.
>>337554554
Gta sells systems. a console needs gta cod and sports. It needs all 3 otherwise theres no point releasing it
>>337523375
C'mon Nintendo, stop making consoles, that's pathetic...
Just die already or switch to game development only.
>>337561624
I never found mew back then but there was a glitchy mew circulating around in our school back then and I got it. That mew was probably obtained with some weird device (like action replay or some shit) and circulated around so much by the time I got it it was completely bugged. It worked properly in game but if I transferred it to Stadium on N64 it would appear with the placeholder model like a Missigno or one of the lv 100+ pokemon you could get on the cinnamon island (not sure if I remember this correctly) glitchy strip.
>>337523672
Dunno why they would.
Honestly, I don't understand how people can be excited and/or curious about any new Sony/Microsoft consoles. Not that they're bad but you know exactly what they're going to be. No surprises, just more graphics and power basically.
With Nintendo you at least got a reason to speculate.
>>337561785
People easily forget that Nintendo has made powerful consoles but nobody bought them
>>337561896
I bet on a fucked moveset.
Why are the people here retarded?
>nintendo makes proper consoles up to the GCN
>GCN doesn't sell well
>N: Let's change
>Release the Wii
>Uber success
>N: this is the way
>Release the Wii U
>Wii U doesn't sell well
Do you see where I'm going with this?
>>337562162
The situation Nintendo finds itself in is similar to
>PS2: Massive success
>PS3: underwhelming (although despite losing them money it did at least get great market reach especially compared to Wii U)
>PS4: Great bounceback from PS3, Massive success
I dont think Nintendo can PS4 their way through this situation.
I just think either analogy, the challenge is incredibly daunting for Nintendo, so much so that I find it unlikely they'll be able to make it work, even if I hope it pans out well.
>>337562162
Are you suggesting you think they'll go back to the "proper consoles" approach then? They're not going to go back to something that didn't work just because their new thing that worked stopped working too.
They've already said there is a brand new concept of some kind behind the NX. It remains to be seen whether it's something like the Wii or something that will be more conducive to traditional gaming. Hopefully the latter. But really, the Wii U itself wasn't inherently a problem for traditional games itself. The gamepad was unnecessary but it wasn't like the Wii remote where it almost forced developers to use motion controls if they were going to make games for it. With Wii U you just have another screen and you can use it or not use it however you please.
They had other problems with the Wii U, and if they can correct them I think they have a decent shot with NX. Especially if the rumors are true that it will have both a portable and home console version with the libraries crossing over, which I really think they are.
I think a point to consider is that the tablets etc are much more powerful than they look, but nobody does games that explore their powers because wrong audience, no controls etc etc etc..
So in theory, nintendo could pick the best you can buy tablet wise and make this "tablet with controllers and Xbone like graphics" and well have the actual games using the hardware.
That would in theory give em a niche nobody touched.
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