>We're gonna use HELL to make energy (somehow)
>nothing bad will come of this
>IT WAS ALL FOR THE GREATER GOOD, DOOMGUY!
>bad guy is scientist colluding with Hell (again)
The best part is robofag saying the exact same shit.
Caring remotely about a story like DOOMs.
>HELL ON MARS? THAT'S DEEP!!
Why couldn't have hell just invaded?
Why does there have to be an evil scientist with """""""""moral ambiguity""""""""" every single time? It's like they half-heartedly put it in because "oh no, we have to add the plot". No you fucking don't.
>>337448705
Wait, there is legitimate story with the sciencist guy?
I thought that the part at the start where the sciencist guy starts talking out of the panel and he throws the tablet away and goes to shoot shit was a great joke. Good way for the devs to say 'yeah, no'.
It wasn't a joke? It would have been a great joke.
>>337448896
there's only so much you can take. In the original games it was an accident that messing around with portals opened one to hell, but to believe futuristic scientists would actually try to harness a fucking supernatural realm heretofore only known as a place from ancient religions is just pushing it too far, you're better off going full camp instead of trying to make any sense out of it this way
>>337448954
The original plot was simple:
>UAC is experimenting with dimensional technology shit
>accident happens,
>oh fuck we stumbled across Hell and they're pissed off
>shoot the demons and stop them from making the earth look like some teenage blackmetalfag's feng shui blunder of a bedroom setup.
>She's not inside Spider Mastermind-chan when you BFG her face off.
0/10 why even bother keeping her alive by then?
>>337449010
If we "could" open a portal to hell someone would do it just for the sake of doing it. Regardless of the consequences.
>>337448967
>It wasn't a joke? It would have been a great joke.
Naw nigga you see Doomguy is turbomad for some reason so he has a tantrum in every cutscene.
Mod for an actual green armor instead of this tacticool puke green shit when?
>>337449372
never ever, because no modding tools.
Enjoy ur SnapMap.
>>337449010
>>337449218
if we suddenly discovered a doorway to hell, the first thing scientists wouldn't think about is using for harvesting energy. They'd be pissing themselves and probably be going to church.
How long does it take to play through the singleplayer?
>>337449840
Keep telling yourself that.
First demon comes out, some dumb american guns him down and the scientists will come flocking in to study his ass.
Give them some mineral or power source and we get a Doom Co-Op in less than a month.
>>337449232
>Naw nigga you see Doomguy is turbomad for some reason
It's not his first rodeo
>>337448705
It was better in Doom 3 because the scientist who did so got pretty much exactly what he wanted.
>>337450045
Maybe if people are superheroes like Doomguy in this iteration of the game. In the earlier dooms, DG was just barely lucky and skilled enough to make it out alive, his advantage coming from the fact that him (you) were smart enough and had enough ammunition to hold back the horde, while everyone else was slaughtered.
>>337449840
>if we suddenly discovered a doorway to hell, the first thing scientists wouldn't think about is using for harvesting energy. They'd be pissing themselves and probably be going to church.
Doom hell isn't christian hell is it? It's more like event horizon or the warp in 40k.
>>337450413
>Doom hell isn't christian hell is it?
In the first two dooms it's stereotypically and almost cartoonishly so. Upside down crosses, the baphomet, and shit. Doom 64, Doom 3 and this Doom make it more of a generically hellish parallel dimension like what you see in Hellraiser or Event Horizon.
>>337448954
>every single time
That wasn't the case even in 3, the head of the facility was just really interested in what they found and got an accidental case of the possession.
>>337450585
Doom 3 hell is still Judaeo-christian. All of the symbols are from christian demonology as well as there being upside-down crosses, and the zombie troops supposedly speak Aramaic.
I'm tired of cyborg/robot being bad guy. That copied Halo.
>>337449010
Doom does go full camp
>>337449141
in the snes port, there was even less of a story. it was in the manual book.
>something happened on mars, a squad of marines including you is sent
>you fell asleep in the transport shuttle, your buddies left with all the big guns, leaving just a pistol
>you wake up and they're all dead. get to work.
>>337448967
I thought that the game would try to tell a story but Doomguy would just skip that shit and ignore it. Sadly, the game REALLY wants to tell a story and there are many times that you have to wait for the characters to stop talking.
>>337449909
10 Hours on Ultra-Violence
is there 1280x1024 support?: ))
>>337448896
It is deep.
Knee deep in the dead.
:^)
Why did Doom's story have to go past "some scientists fucked up, now you're gonna go mow down some demons with big guns"
>>337451514
that might have been due to Nintendo wanting to get a hit like Doom on the SNES, but was worried about how having a game about demons from HELL might affect their image.
People forget that Doom was actually a controversial game
>>337450585
Event Horizon is literally hell as well though.They speak Latin for one.
>>337453313
The ship captain is the one who speaks Latin after going to the chaos dimension. He was saying it is hell from his point of view
>>337448705
>We're gonna use HELL to make energy (somehow)
Well, it's not that ridiculous, the whole damn dimension is on fire.
>>337448705
You do realise that the story is deliberately supposed to be cheesy right?
>"We did this for the benefit of humanity!"
>*doomguy looks down to see the corpse of some guy who has been ripped to shreds*
>"Obviously things have gotten out of control"
later
>"Now, carefully remove the cooling cells"
>*doomguy stamps on it and smashes the fuck out of it*
>"YOU DIDN'T NEED TO DO THAT"
If you're taking the story seriously then you're a retard who has probably only played DOOM 3
>>337448705
It's good if its a nice side story, think of it like a small graffiti on a wall, you notice it, but it's not the point of the whole game.Ok, which is ultimately, worse: Getting bored of Heaven, or getting used to Hell?
>Inb4 dopamine magic
>>337450340
The dude literally went to hell and killed everything there, as well as all the demons on earth. He wasn't some plucky hero that barely scraped by by the skin of his teeth. Did you even play the earlier dooms? This guy being insanely strong far beyond any other human is completely in keeping with the setting.
So is it proven that doomguy is the same character from Doom/Doom 2 or what?
Is it still a doomguy as the lead? Last I saw it was revealed that you play as adoomgalall along.
>>337454671
>This guy being insanely strong far beyond any other human is completely in keeping with the setting.
He really wasn't though. The only thing he had going for him was ammunition and resolve, that was it. He was supposed to be pretty much John Everyman so you, the player, could better insert as him. He wasn't doing double jumps and body slamming demons twice his size. You at least got the feeling like it was a struggle for him instead of just another day at the office as CEO of the badass company
>>337448954
this alone shows they have no idea what made Doom great or why people liked it. everything about this is a cash grab. they wanted to make a Halo/Destiny clone, couldn't afford it so instead of just aborting the project slapped the Doom name on it as an afterthought.
>>337448967
That is a tad naive.
Of course any AAA game will have some shit story.
The only games that can afford not to cover that point in the checklist are cheeky and often hipster indies.
>>337453804
there is a line between cheesy and plain pretentious and bad.
Cheesy requires skill, not something either id or bethesda seem to have that much of.
>>337454898
John Everyman my ass. Doomguy ran faster than a car, survived getting shot by missiles and lasers and lifted two times his body weight in armor and guns while doings so. Doomguy is pure power fantasy.
>>337454898
>John Everyman
>Goes to hell itself to avenge his pet rabbit
Sure whatever you say
>>337449010
It IS full camp. Are you sure you're not hating on it just because it's Bethesda's?
>>337455752
>Doomguy ran faster than a car, survived getting shot by missiles and lasers and lifted two times his body weight in armor and guns while doings so.
Those are just gameplay things.
He was a space marine, but one of a unit. Not really a supergod among them.
>>337448705
Are those graphics from 2004?
>>337457046
No just from Fallout 4.
>>337448896
I don't care but it doesn't help having dialogue and expository cutscenes shoved down the players throat every chance they get
>>337450413
Doom 1 and 2 it's Christian hell.
3 its a parallel dimension that humanity's ancestors (at least,the implication is there) fought a wat with and only after sacrificing most of their species to forge the soulcube were they able to seal them away.
Is this Doom a reboot or going off from Doom 3? I seem to recall some shit about the robot guy saying you were the only one to go in and come back in a trailer somewhere, that would fit Doom 3 guy's past pretty well, although I think everyone back then saw that as a setup for 'he gets corrupted and brings hell to earth' sequel
>>337449372
Denuvo, no mods
Snapmap only, no custom assets allowed
>>337451070
The imp-lication there is that the race that forged the soulcube were humanity's ancestors, so perhaps the religion shit was at one point retellings of their real life war against the 'hell' dimension
>>337456843
It really can't be dismissed as just game play things. Doomguy literally beat the forces of hell by himself, escaped hell and then fought more hell when he got back home. He was a space marine, but obviously better than everyone in his squad because the rest are wiped out completely leaving him the sole survivor (and conqueror) of hell. Normal people can't do that.
>>337454898
>The only thing he had going for him was ammunition and resolve, that was it
He killed demons with a chainsaw, and singlehandedly wiped out everything in hell.
I don't know where you're getting this idea that he was an underdog or some shit, he runs at superhuman speeds, carries a veritable armada of guns and ammo, tanks hits that should kill normal humans, all that shit.
>>337456843
You realise none of these people exist, right? Anything about them is for gameplay purposes. The stuff that the character in the new doom does is just for gameplay purposes too, he's not based off a real dude that actually did these things.
Also, I'll point you to how he's the only person that seems to be completely immune to possession.
Does heaven exist in the Doom universe?
>>337448705
>LITERALLY
>HELL
>>337458603
>It really can't be dismissed as just game play things.
Yes it can. Doomguy is just another space marine. Plenty of movies and game feature everyman heroes doing crazy shit.
>>337458627
>Also, I'll point you to how he's the only person that seems to be completely immune to possession.
Also a gameplay thing. He's not made out to be special chosen one magic dude in the game. Just a really badass marine who's had enough of motherfucking demons.
>>337458923
Where do you think D44M 5 will take place?
>>337459634
I wonder how they'd handle the heavenly hosts. Maybe it'd be like the angels in Bayonetta or SMT.
>>337459234
If he was just another badass space marine he would be dead like every other badass dead space marine in the game. Hand waving away the game play as nonsense is nonsense because it is what happened. Original doom had no real story to speak of, so the game play is the narrative and in the narrative he did all that superhuman shit. Not a regular dude, not a regular space marine, pure power fantasy self insert, like serious sam but without the irony.
>>337448705
She looks liek a geriatric old man.
>>337460118
warning
>>337460001
>If he was just another badass space marine he would be dead like every other badass dead space marine in the game.
Just because John McClane wasn't useless like every other cop in the movies doesn't mean he had superpowers, anon.
The steam reviews are fucking awful jesus christ you can smell the paid reviews from the posts theyre all how "Dooms so cuhrazzy fast lol XD!!!" and all the other points people were saying were bad in the beta.
Jesus fuck any negative review gets destroyed by autistic cunts desperately trying to defend the game goddamn fucking steam users are such cancerous faggots holy shit.
>>337460527
It IS fast, though. Sorry reality doesn't match your little /v/ hugbox.
>>337460671
Its not really that fast anon dont bullshit me you nigger
Your passive aggressive post is so cute though, try harder~
>1 dollar has been deposited into your account
>>337460527
It may be slightly slower compared to old Doom or Quake, but combat in this game is pretty damn fast paced. You have to constantly be aware of the monsters around you lest you get torn apart.
>>337460879
You've seen the PC gameplay video. It's very fast. It's as fast or faster than the original, so much much faster than what modern audiences are used to.
>>337460508
No, but it means he was far more skilled than the others. And seeing as Doomguy displays skills way beyond what any other character evidently had (based on them dying to shit he dispatches with no worries), and him tanking shots that would kill even the possessed versions of other marines, we can say he's far beyond what they could do.
>>337459417
The gameplay is literally showing us what he's capable of, there's no other lore that it splits from to create good gameplay, what we see him doing is what he's capable of doing. And that stuff is superhuman.
Just because they never go "You're the chosen one doomguy" doesn't mean he's not doing shit that's insane, like tanking shots that should wipe out his body completely (missiles and lasers), carrying a heap of huge guns, ammo and armour, running at like 80mph (I think, it's something insane like that), and killing huge demons in close quarters.
>>337460889
Isnt that because some spawn behind you?
Also I was watching a stream an hour ago that had zombies that shuffle at you at 2 miles an hour and are hardly a threat and an enemy that stood still near a door and just shot at the streamer as he ran past it multiple times playing with the ai. Its pretty damn dissapointing.
>>337461004
I watched a stream today and it didnt seem as fast as the original which wasnt sanic fast but damn it was more mobile that this release. I hope the run speed can be altered in the files
>>337461154
>No, but it means he was far more skilled than the others.
Not that much. He succeeded because he was determined, skilled, and often plain lucky. It's a common archetype. Sure, maybe Doomguy was the best in his squad. But he was still just a Space Marine.
>>337461154
>The gameplay is literally showing us what he's capable of
The gameplay is literally designed to be fun. He runs faster than a car because that's the speed they balanced the game around. He tanks rockets because otherwise he'd die too fast. You can't be 100% literal with videogames. I don't think he's meant to be able to materialize and dematerialize weapons.
>>337461436
The default possesed are pretty much distractions/easy ammo packs for chainsaw. They do slow you if they hit you, so its important not to run into them.
Also to mention, Snapmap does have AI options that let you set monsters to defend a certain point instead of just chasing after you.
>>337453872
if you can get bored of heaven can it be heaven?
>>337448705
I don't know why they though forced cutscenes would be a good idea in fucking DOOM.
>>337457467
There are probably 2 cut scenes at most in all game.
>>337460527
i dont get it, did people want a exact replica ot Doom 1 with just newer graphics
that old piece of shit is outdated and was nothing more then shoot and run, after years of it, it became a lot of fun playing Brutal Doom
still hyped for this tho
>>337461447
Kek, care to reread that anon?
>No, but it means he was far more skilled than the others.
>Not that much. He succeeded because he was determined, skilled, and often plain lucky.
>succeeded because he was determined, skilled
>skilled
>>337461573
>The gameplay is literally designed to be fun
Sure, so provide me some proof that Doomguy can't actually do those things then. Sure, in some games there's a difference between what characters can do lorewise and in gameplay, but if that's all we really see of the character, why are you assuming he's not actually supposed to be able to do those things?
Also, loving how you're both ignoring he wasn't just the best in his squad, he was better than everyone on earth combined, as they lost the fight, whereas he killed every demon on mars, earth, and in hell itself. Are you arguing he did that by being plucky and lucky, instead of a superhuman being?
Because even ignoring some of the stuff that could just be gameplay, he canon did those things, whereas most other badass marines get killed by a couple demons, or even just possessed and turned into them.
>>337461939
Probably because every big game has cutscenes for muh cinematic expierence
>>337459634
>Doom
>Doom 2
>Final Doom
>Doom 3
>DOOM
>Doom 5
>>337462137
>Kek, care to reread that anon?
What is comprehension? My point is it's a number of factors. McClain was a hardcore cop, but he was still just a cop, even if the movies turn him into a one-man army every time. Just because he does things no normal man could do doesn't mean he's not pretty much normal. It's movies, anon, the Hero does shit.
>>337462137
>Sure, so provide me some proof that Doomguy can't actually do those things then.
Do you think Space Marines can materialize and dematerialize weapons? Or do you think it's just a gameplay/development thing?
There's your answer.
>Because even ignoring some of the stuff that could just be gameplay, he canon did those things, whereas most other badass marines get killed by a couple demons
And McClane does things several squads of cops or soldiers couldn't have, that doesn't mean he's got superpowers.
>>337448967
There is a story, it's just that Doomguy doesn't give a shit about it and wants to rip off a demon's face already. The character is designed to reflect the player, he doesn't give a shit about the plots and narrative, he just wants to kill shit.
![anakin-force-ghost-star-wars-pic[1].jpg_w=720&cdnnode=1.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kz1Kxie.jpg "anakin-force-ghost-star-wars-pic[1].jpg_w=720&cdnnode=1.jpg")
From my point of view the doomguy is evil
>>337461762
Whats the point of them then? Shouldnt you have enough ammo? Why is there ammo conservation?
>Also to mention, Snapmap does have AI options that let you set monsters to defend a certain point instead of just chasing after you.
Typical fucking game published by Bethesda, wow the players have to do all the work so the game isnt shit. I hope at least people try to recreate E1M1 and such then maybe it would be worth 15 dollarydoos on sale. Maybe.
>>337462081
>i dont get it, did people want a exact replica of Doom 1 with just newer graphics
Yeah pretty much. There wasnt anything wrong with doom it was a simple run and shoot game with a bitching soundtrack and people love it for that. Usually games like that pioneered shit like doom did are praised purely for that and that alone ala half life and half life 2 but doom fans just like doom. Besides after doom there were wads
Is there 1280x1024 support for this game?
:)!!!
>>337462507
>Do you think Space Marines can materialize and dematerialize weapons? Or do you think it's just a gameplay/development thing?
>There's your answer.
Separating gameplay from lore when you're talking about a video game is a pretty dumb thing to do, especially when it's about a character from a first person shooter with minimal backstory except that he fucked up hell.
>And McClane does things several squads of cops or soldiers couldn't have, that doesn't mean he's got superpowers.
Back up a second and check the comparison you're making here.
>>337462507
Honestly, all this comes down to is you seeing what's in game done, and going "nuh-uh, my headcanon makes this true", and then shitting on the new game for making the new character able to do similarly ridiculous stuff, with you going "but the old games had doomguy be a plucky hero getting through by luck and determination!".
What you think doesn't change reality.
Also, you keep bringing up the materialising weapons thing, you realise he's supposed to be carrying them, right?
Same with McClane really, he's supposed to be a massive badass. Sure, what he does is way beyond what any cop could do, but it's not supposed to be reality, he's supposed to be capable of doing that shit in the movie. Same as Doomguy's meant to be able to do the shit he does in the game.
>>337462816
>Separating gameplay from lore when you're talking about a video game is a pretty dumb thing to do
No it is not, taking gameplay contrivances to mean the character's got superpowers however, is.
>Back up a second and check the comparison you're making here.
"Main Character succeeds where most people wouldn't" is a common story. Ripley didn't have superpowers, she still succeeded where squads of space marines died. Does this mean she was stronger than squads of space marines?
>>337462952
>Also, you keep bringing up the materialising weapons thing, you realise he's supposed to be carrying them, right?
You realize he's not shown to be carrying them? By your logic, this means he isn't and he must teleport them out of his ass, because apparently gameplay or development contrivances are 100% canon.
>Same with McClane really, he's supposed to be a massive badass.
A badass, yes. A superpowered cop, no. For fuck's sake they literally describe him as an everyman in the movie.
>>337462361
You forgot Doom 3: BFG and Ultimate D44m
>>337460527
>Doom is supposed to be fast
lmao, nostalgia goggles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYnywRW8OWQ
Was watching last night
Cortana trans tells you about challenges. Breaks immersion.
Looks like I won't be buying this pile of shit.
>>337463505
Seriously, Doom isn't nearly the fastest game of it's time. Quake is a good deal faster.
If anything, that PC gameplay video is a good deal faster as far as I can tell.
>>337463163
>You realize he's not shown to be carrying them?
Show me where. Is there a third person view I'm not aware of? Promotional images don't count, for obvious reasons.
>A badass, yes. A superpowered cop, no. For fuck's sake they literally describe him as an everyman in the movie.
And that's because what he does is technically possible by a normal human if they happened to be skilled and lucky enough. What Doomguy does is not. Being hit by missiles and being fine isn't human. Moving 80 miles an hour isn't human. Killing every demon on mars earth and in hell isn't comparable to the shit McClane does.
What you're saying is like going "Nah, superman can't actually fly or lift incredible amounts of weight or move incredibly fast because my headcanon says so, he's only able to do it for comic book/movie/game purposes, he's not ACTUALLY superpowered". It's ridiculous.
>>337454989
No one ever made a video game planning to lose money you fucking retard. When the fuck did all these commies start posting here ?
>>337463163
As much as you like to think what you're arguing has more grounding than the alternative of Doomguy being a berserker packing man and a half I have to tell you it really doesn't. You're point of view on who the Doomguy is is conjecture, and a greater stretch of conjecture than the alternative because the alternative is backed up by what you see in the game.
Your entire argument is basically "normal people exist, therefore isn't doom really a normal person?".
You're free to have headcanon, but you're a fucking idiot.
>>337460527
>was this review helpful?
>yes
You can fuck right off anytime, faggot. Join the cancer if you like feeding it so much.
>Come on guys, let's shill!
Why don't they stop fighting and simply go for trying to go to heaven?
They know Hell is real so why not stop caring about being alive and focus on the bigger picture of reaching eternal happiness?
>>337462361
>Battlefield 1942
>Battlefield 2
>Battlefield 3
>Battlefield 4
>Battlefield 1
>>337448705
>>We're gonna use HELL to make energy (somehow)
Isn't this the same plot of that 2009's Wolfenstein?
>>337449010
>fictional things happen in fiction
holy shit
>>337448705
on the defense, the human actually mind controlled to think they conquer the hell power
>>337464114
Kill yourself
>>337463505
Doom isnt sanic fast and I never said it was but it isnt slow as fuck. Also I can cherry pick too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8j2zj-A5tE
>>337464151
It's a good point though. People that enjoy the game tend to just play it, whereas you get people that kneejerk reaction go "it's shit" and just list everything about it as shit spamming the review section with bad reviews, leading to an unbalanced view of the game, though eventually good reviews catch up and it becomes fairer.
I swear the whole
>anyone who disagrees with me is a shill!
Thing is the worst thing to happen to /v/ ever.
>>337464031
The indie devs with certain political agenda might disagree with you, but of course they're only a fraction of the whole industry.
Didn't the dev mention numerous times in interviews and articles that story would not be the main focus?
>>337463912
>Show me where. Is there a third person view I'm not aware of?
Multiplayer mode, the ending of Doom 2.
>What Doomguy does is not
Gameplay contrivances, see above point about weapon inventory.
>Killing every demon on mars earth and in hell isn't comparable to the shit McClane does.
Because he's a space marine fighting hell itself, not a cop fighting TERRISTS. You're missing the point. It's a COMMON TROPE to have an "everyman" protagonist defeat impossible odds.
>What you're saying is like going "Nah, superman can't actually fly or lift incredible amounts of weight or move incredibly fast because my headcanon says so
It's more like "Superman can't actually be beaten by Small Arms Fire, it's a gameplay contrivance of Superman 64".
>>337464059
Actually, my argument is "Doomguy was a space marine in a squad, which stands to reason is made up of people with similar skills and abilities than his." Makes no sense they'd keep a supergod as a grunt.
>hold M1 at the final boss, tapping A and D occasionally
>my reward is one of those droids from a Star Wars Prequel telling me I wasted my time
>he's completely correct
>>337462361
>final doom
what?
>>337458238
You might be thinking of the movie. There's an ancient Martian species in Doom 3 but i don't think there's any real connection to humanity.
Where does the movie fit into all of this?
>finish Doom on UV, taking lunch break before doing Nightmare, read this thread
All this salt when you could be playing video games or enjoying yourself, damn.
>>337454898
Nigger he literally fucking rips through demons with his bare hands, i haven't even played doom 1 but you're talking so much shit
>>337448896
The difference is they took a dumb ass premise created explicitly because the creators thought excessively shoving a story down your throat was stupid and shoved it down your throat.
>>337464660
>It's a COMMON TROPE to have an "everyman" protagonist defeat impossible odds.
It's a subversion of that concept through ridiculous impossibility you fucking numbskull.
>>337464620
The indie devs who do freeware stuff and only charge money when they think the product they are making is worth something is a dying breed. Most of these shits were gamemaker faggots anyway, kids that had no chance of getting a highlight outside of a specific site for people like them
>>337463912
The point is there is absolutely nothing to say Doomguy was ever any more special in anyway than just the fact that you controlled him. He was a single marine of many with no name, no backstory and whether he succeeded simply depended on your own skill. He felt like a normal human being, outside of those things that were there simply because it's a video game like taking missile hits
Presumably, Doomguy was never anyone special beyond the fact that you controlled him. For all intents and purposes, all the dead marines you see littered across the maps can be presumed to have been just as much badasses as Doomguy himself. The difference was your own skill at surviving the horde. In D44M, you're basically half-controlling the Chosen One with his Super Mario hops and the ability to rip off the arms of behemoths who should be 100x stronger physically than the average humanwith hardly any effort. In the old Dooms, Doomguy didn't have any special strength, he was just a guy who unlike his dead squadmates simply found enough of the health packs, enough guns and enough healthpacks to outlast the horde of mook demons and was not stupid enough to get caught off guard, assuming of course you the player could do all these things. "D44M Dude" is different in that there is a less of a feeling of immersion and control due to the disparity between yourself and the character your playing as. Doomguy was just a normal space marine who beat all the odds and so it felt more like you could be just like him.
>>337464771
Serves you right for playing a Bethesda game.
>>337463893
That PC gameplay vid uses mods you gain after beating the game, its not the default speed. Which is a shame, had it been it would be a selling point for me, but as it stands from the start, youre a slow pos.
>>337465076
No, it's just videogame standards, which usually have much more "impossible" odds than any movie would portray. That doesn't make it subversion of the trope.
Doomguy is a nameless space marine meant to be the player's avatar (literally why he's not given a name, according to Romero). Sure, he's STRONG AND FAST, because he's a space marine. But he's not superhuman beyond any other space marine.
>>337464771
I mean, thats seems par for the course in a Doom game. The only thing is the arena they place you in for that boss is poor as fuck compared to Dis.
wait what the fuck happened to this story?
>>337465120
IN DOOM 1 YOU CAN RIP DEMONS IN HALF WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT
>>337464660
>Multiplayer mode
Different mode completely, also isn't doomguy. Sure, multiplayer characters may be able to materialise guns, magic exists in universe, and multiplayer is never canon.
>Gameplay contrivances, see above point about weapon inventory.
It's not a gameplay contrivance if that's the only source we have to go from you mong, it's the existing lore. You're entitled to headcanon, but it's still fucking retarded.
>It's a COMMON TROPE to have an "everyman" protagonist defeat impossible odds.
Your point? Something being a trope doesn't mean it's the case in every setting. Sometimes characters are just beyond human, as is clearly the fucking case here, from every single source featuring doomguy. You have him punching through demons(not from gameplay btw), tanking missiles, moving at incredibly high speeds, being immune to possession for no reason in particular, and all sorts of crazy shit.
>It's more like "Superman can't actually be beaten by Small Arms Fire, it's a gameplay contrivance of Superman 64".
But in that version of superman, he can be beaten by small arms fire, and is shown being able to do so in comics at points too for whatever reason.
But it's not like that, as superman has a whole host of backstory and pre-existing lore backing up him generally being too tough for small arms fire to do anything. What you're doing is disregarding the entire lore to act as if your headcanon is the reality. Hence the whole "superman actually doesn't have superpowers, it's just for plot purposes".
>>337464995
>People will try this hard to hate a game.
Never underestimate this shit hole
Open the door
Get on the floor
"Moral ambiguity" in Doom 4
>>337463209
Doom 3 BFG is the same game as Doom 3.
They forgot 64 though.
>>337465385
I would love to see that, at least it would be different,
>>337465394
>i only played Brutal Doom
>>337465385
>mfw Grezzo 2 is canon
>>337465385
It's real.
Watch the intro level.
>>337465394
LIke any other marine would be able to.
>>337465424
>Different mode completely, also isn't doomguy
Please. They're all carrying more weapons than it shows. Because it's a gameplay contrivance.
>It's not a gameplay contrivance
It is, unless you actually believe Doomguy teleports weapons and instantly heals using a fucking medicine kit.
>Your point? Something being a trope doesn't mean it's the case in every setting.
It's the case in this one, because that's how Doomguy was designed. Nameless space marine. He's just a grunt meant to be the player's self insert, who succeeds because the player is skilled. Not because he was a godlike superhero among his peers.
Isn't the comic canon?
>>337465385
Idk, Ive been waiting confirmation on that because it sounds neat. Makes Doom64 canon too.
>>337461436
>Isnt that because some spawn behind you?
Happens in the first Doom on Nightmare difficulty, too.
>>337465636
You can gib enemies with your fists, retard.
why the fuck are you even arguing with this retard if all he ever does is claim "gameplay contrivances" on everything you point out?
>>337460527
This review is the textbook definition of a fanboy tard.
>>337450203
>No HD remake of Doomguys face like they did for BJ
>>337465919
like every other marine presumably could. And you certainly couldn't go the whole game doing that unless you were a doing a mad skill run like the "watch me play with just a knife in Resident Evil" playthrough
>>337465394
No anon, that's just gameplay contrivances, he's a normal guy with good luck.
>>337465753
>Please. They're all carrying more weapons than it shows. Because it's a gameplay contrivance.
I'll say it again. multiplayer is not singleplayer. Characters in any franchise can do shit in multiplayer they can't in singleplayer. It's also not the same character, rather a faceless multiplayer goon.
>It is, unless you actually believe Doomguy teleports weapons and instantly heals using a fucking medicine kit.
We have no idea what's in the medicine kits, it could be some magic future medicine that does heal him. Also no evidence for teleporting weapons apart from multiplayer, which isn't ever canon.
>It's the case in this one, because that's how Doomguy was designed. Nameless space marine. He's just a grunt meant to be the player's self insert, who succeeds because the player is skilled. Not because he was a godlike superhero among his peers.
What the fuck are you on about? The character constantly shows ability to do shit above the norm for humans. He punches through demons, he rips them apart, he tanks missiles, he's immune to possession, he runs at incredible speeds while carrying a lot of equipment.
Show me a single fucking source that says "No, doomguy is actually just an average soldier comparable with other marines". Stop just relying on your headcanon and actually back it up with something, or just fucking admit you were wrong, you've got like 5 people saying you are at this point, with plenty of sources, not all gameplay either.
>>337462081
>did people want a exact replica ot Doom 1 with just newer graphics
Exactly
Like when a good wad comes out, you play it and it's completely different from doom yet the look and feel are just right and you absolutely love it
>>337466003
>yellow dummy
>to red
Fucking hell TNO was fucking garbage
>>337465720
>Italy is on Mars
I fucking knew it.
>>337465894
I thought nightmare difficulty was treated as speedrun difficulty
Also it happens in Doom64 on hurt me plenty in the very first few seconds
>>337465931
Sorry having taste in games and not getting taken for a ride is considered a bad thing
>>337466467
It is a bad thing when your taste is shit, which yours clearly is.
>D44M is fast!you just have to equip runes and brutal kill a demon :^)
>>337466467
>I thought nightmare difficulty was treated as speedrun difficulty
are you telling me i'm not supposed to play on nightmare?
>>337466575
Then why are you even in a doom thread then retard?
>>337463505
Of course a fat guy can't run fast in Doom.
>>337449523
>>337458061
>Doom without mods
Ahahahaha. Fucking console shooters, man.
>>337467194
Some anons in a thread the other day were talking about how they dont think its worth sticking around and fighting demons when you can zip past running and gunning to the end.
Its up to the player really
>>337464417
>speedrun
I went into this game thinking it was just a new unreal tournament with demons.
I wasn't disappointed, thoroughly enjoying myself.
>>337467197
Nevermind, I wasn't aware I was talking to a mentally handicapped.
>>337468129
(You)
>>337467969
compared to boogie who was taking his time getting around the level? yeah
Im playing the game right now anon its still not sanic fast but has more speed that the reboot.
>>337468196
Kek cant even give me a proper argument. Who let you use the internet little boy?
>>337466003
I hated it that
The god doomguy and the happiness when he get a new gun is necessary
>>337468846
By your comment I figured you were retarded and that you were not worth the effort.
Don't be too mad about it, downie.
>>337455357
I don't think you know what pretentious means.
RetroAHOY is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OipJYWhMi3k
>>337469313
stay mad
>>337468846
>retard alert
>>337469695
Damn, you're butthurt.
Nigga it's Doom it's not supposed to be deep, it's supposed to be RIP AND TEAR.
>>337469846
>>337469930
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOM im being bullied on the internet!
>>337449232
Probably because in the storyline he's dealt with demons for a really fucking long time and now these idiots from the UAC are messing with them again.
The bit where you go to smash the last argent uplink or whatever it's called, the robot guy gives you a lecture on how "Argent energy will never exist in this galaxy ever again!" and the camera angles up to the Argent tower before Doomguy goes "Yeah, I can live with that" before smashing it illustrates this perfectly.
>>337455357
>pretentious
>>337466019
>presumably
So you don't know? Earth's forces were eradicated in Doom 2 by fleeing from the enemy, while Doomguy singlehandedly destroyed hell legions. Stop pulling shit out of your ass, nobody cared how Doom is a believable representation of a human being
>>337464214
I never realised I need a Doom where you fight angels and shit
>>337465385
https://youtu.be/jINYICJI424?t=1640
Or jump to 27:35
