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>>337443305
What
Huh, I guess Civ VI really looks like ass when directly compared to V. I will still play the fuck out of it regardless.
>PC gaming
what a joke. Hope they release a HD version for the ps4
What sega saturn game is that
>PC gayming
>complaining about the graphics of the horse resource in a Civilization game
I don't know how /v/ manages to continuously hit new lows, but it does.
>>337443305
A low res screen shot is just that. I need to see the game in motion before I judge
>>337443703
What's funnier is that besides the cartoon design, there's a good amount of things that look better than they do in Civ V
>>337443305
vi actually looks better desu. the realistic visuals of the horse and ground texture look weird when put together
>>337443703
/v/ went apeshit over Gran Turismo 5 apples.
Yes, apples. In some background NPC's basket. They were not round enough.
>>337443305
My only hope for the graphical downgrade is that it'll run better. This might be the devs way of making their games less laggy seeing as they can't into optimisation for shit.
>>337443703
Even the fucking trees look worse.
What's the problem, no realistic horse genitalia?
>>337443434
this.
i would prefer realistic graphics, but still can't wait for it.
>>337443948
No one fucking cares, its a Civ game.
Nice reddit post fag, now admire my 4
>>337443305
Gotta have that console parity, dide.
Civ 6 is graphically superior to Civ 5 in every conceivable way. You just don't like the art style
>>337444047
Civ games pretend to be pseudo realistic and more or less historically accurate.
You think that theme fits well with cartoon graphics?
>>337443703
You seem to misunderstand the importance of horses for us, please go to nexus mods and search for horses in skyrim.
>>337443461
What Saturn games should I buy /v/? Should I get a Japanese one over an NA one?
>>337444176
which is the crux of the matter, better graphics means shit if the art is worse.
What can be done to stop PC gaming from further devolving?
>>337444191
It doesn't matter what they "pretend" to be.
>>337444176
no denying that.
i still don't like it though.
>>337443675
Looksfun
>>337444345
oh wait, this isn't /fog/. shit
>>337444292
Bottom just looks like arma 3 with shittier distant land.
>>337444251
There's nothing wrong with the artstyle. This is just the usual case of "muh photorealism race"
Honestly: i dont give a shit if it looks worse it would be better if they would finally fix the god damn AI
Comic related
Hopefully the simpler graphics means the frame rate won't take a shit durin the end game
>>337444336
Nigger if they go for a theme they better be consistent
It looks like fucking settlers
>>337444047
Except Civ games usually look reasonably polished. This time it looks like literal floor polish.
>>337443305
so THIS is the TRUE powa of the mighty PC.... damn....
>>337443305
I wonder if Age of empires 3 looks better?
the reason it's being dumbed down is that it's coming to consoles.
I'm 99% sure Civ VI looks the way it does so it's easier to port to mobile.
>>337444292
I cant remember the last time a console had a good RTS game.
Was the Halo game for the 360 good?
>>337444292
Remove consoles.
I saw a claim that the new engine will have better mod support, so perhaps there'll be a few good graphics mods by the time the first expansion is out and the game is worth buying.
babies
>>337444292
>those plants
>those warped out textures on the platform
>the platform is perfectly square without any wear
>that landscape
It doesn't look terrible, but it sure as hell doesn't look impressive either.
>>337444745
This game still has the greatest physics in an RTS
>>337443675
how to differentiate between spess muhreens fags and people who actually play warhammer
>>337444975
ask them what they think about slaanesh
>>337444860
I liked the LOTR rts on the 360. But I was just a huge tolkien fan and didn't have a PC at the time.
It's probably shit if I went back to it.
>>337444860
its the best rts on consoles thats for damn sure
>>337444860
N64 had Starcraft64 on it, and it was GOAT
>>337444585
This to be quite honest, brethren.
Graphics have peaked, they peaked 2 or 3 years ago. It's time to invest in innovating gameplay again. I remember in the early 2000's that the processing ability of the new console would herald a new era of amazing, reactive AI. About 2004 all that hype was quietly put aside in favour of pushing the latest bullshots and incremental graphical improvements.
>>337444860
halo wars was pretty cool but i remember certain units being extremely broken in multiplayer
>>337443305
Civ 5 grass looks like moldy bread
>>337443305
I blame consoles
>>337445245
If you let any of the convenant leaders get to 5 stars, they'll be able to solo scarabs.
>>337445457
because console gamers play strategy games where matches can go on for over 10 hours right?
>>337444292
woah...
>>337444239
Japanese.
>>337444745
It does
>>337445609
Games tended to end pretty quick due to warthog rushing beating most people anyway.
>>337443675
>extreme alpha stage screenshot from just recently revealed game
who would fall for this
Anyone else overlook X-com 2, its very similar to enemy unknown but fuck is it addictive
>>337444950
Agreed. It just wasn't as fun. I completed the Asian Dynasties expansion, then completely forgot I did and replayed it, not realising until the final misson of each campaign, it was that forgettable.
>>337444864
>le blame consoles for shit PC games meme
>still using it for PC exclusives
I am laffin m8
>>337446067
Depends on how organized your opponents were. One warthog rushing guy shouldn't stop a 3v3 and once a warthog rush fails, it's game over if they get targeted after.
I mostly did 3v3s with friends, so if it works out differently in 1v1, then I don't know.
>>337443305
OMG THEY STYLIZED THE GAME, OMG ITS DOWN GRADE. OMG THEY CHANGE THE ART STYLE.
Doom 4 should be sprites and the same look because that is more realistic.
Dumb shit.
>>337446357
I mostly played 1v1 and it worked about 90% of the time.
I imagine in team based it wouldn't work anywhere near as well.
>>337443305
Why do horses bigger than trees? fucking retarded lol
>>337444292
>comparison shots using youtube videos
classic bait, people
>>337446095
>All those comments everywhere defending it looking like shit because "it's just early, there's no textures"
Kek, it must be amazing how embarassing it is for devs to read those when people shit on their work without even meaning to
>>337443305
Just bought complete edition. I played vanilla pirated before, should I use any mods this time around?
Also what's the biggest map mod I can find?
>>337446763
Surely they wont publish a game that looks worse that DoWII
>>337443305
Really?
>>337443675
wat game
>>337446907
The original image already censors the nipple, why did they smear over it some more?
>>337446907
What is wrong with nipples, exactly?
>>337447013
Think of the children
>>337447013
Get out, degenerate.
>>337447136
>american children
fixed
>>337444292
Top still has better graphic. LMAO
>>337444745
FORWWWWAAAARD!
I didn't like the whole resource gathering and base building of AoE3 compared to AoE2 but it was so satisfying to watch artillery blown buildings to pieces and see endless lines of musketmen form up and unload barrages of lead
Graphic whores are a disease, have been a disease, and will forever be a disease
>>337444292
>comparing butthurt shitters first movie to a complex strategy game
>>337448098
My GPU isn't all that good anyway so I don't want them to go all out by CiVI looks like a mobile game, I'd rather just have them reuse the art assets from CiV.
DELETE THIS
>>337444191
>historically accurate
>Civ
What am I reading?
>>337444745
The Dutch were so overpowered in that game
>>337448393
I want to stroke that beardAnd steal his Academy filled cities
>>337448287
To be fair Diablo 3 has a very polished artstyle that won't age as badly as the low poly models in Titanquest. But yeah, even if the picture on the right doesn't make the game justice, the game could use a bit more colour.
Really.
>>337448987
Civ 5 all day
>>337448979
To be fair, diablo 3 looks absolute trash and its "artstyle" isn't gonna age badly only because it's already fucking horrible.
>>337448987
jesus christ
>>337449119
That's like, I dunno, your opinion my man. I'm not defending it as a game but it looked pretty good and I wouldn't mind if Diablo II was remade with that artstyle.
>>337448987
Its an art style shift more than a graphics downgrade, but no less shit for that
>>337449216
>That's like, I dunno, your opinion my man
Funny, you quote a character that's supposed to be ignorant and wrong while also being such.
>>337448987
After a single game you're not going to give a shit about the artstyle.
The two most important things about Civ games is AI quality and AI turn performance.
>>337449343
blurry zero detail textures is called a art style
>>337449731
yes.
>>337448883
As they should
Those motherfuckers were savage in the old days
>>337449550
I guess you've truly bested me with your great and inpenetrableopinions, +1 internets for you, sir! :D
We want the Clash of Clans audience
>>337449731
Yes actually
>>337449825
actually it's rushed out cash in on the companies recent success with the mass market with there alien waifu game and patched this together in the past six months
>>337449879
>:D
Now I'm rustled
>>337449629
>implying the AI will be better
>>337449216
The fuck are you smoking man, d3 looks absolutely fucking horrible.
>>337449550
Not the person youre replying to but stop sperging the fuck out. There's no reason to be so aggressive on a Chinese pottery board.
>>337444239
Give me four games that were improved by localization.
>it's a art style
no it's an art style poorly done and obviously rushed out to cash in. While another game has a art style yet doesn't skimp out on effort.
>>337448987
>tfw will keep playing in boardgame mode.
>>337450553
is dat sum Endless??
Anyone else noticed they censored the trailer
>>337450425
>stop sperging the fuck out
>hurr but graphics don't matter
Can't it be an enjoyable game AND have good graphics? It's not like they're mutually exclusive. There's no excuse for it looking like shit when V looks good.
>we want the "still using my iPhone 3G" audience
At least they'll be able to run it when the port comes to the app store
>>337450645
obviously it's unhinged white genNOcide
>>337443305
>>337448987
>>337449731
>>337449113
The only reasoning I can think of behind this shit is they want people to be able to play it. When Civ5 came out and everyone I knew got it, the only people who could actually stand to play the game were people with computers less than a year old. Everyone else could barely run it.
>>337443305
>giving a fuck about graphics
stay golden, aspie
>>337444585
Would say it's average politics.
Stomp on anybody to get as high as possible.
>>337450994
socialist nignog nobody cares what you think
>>337450740
this implies the gameplay will be good, from the bullet points getting about the AI you can't have any diplomacy till later in the game so war is forced on you even more than 5
>>337450994
I kind of agree, graphics is the single least important element of a game like this
>>337450941
uuuhhh that's what dx9 mode was for also the compete lack of any detail given to everything shown in the game implies this isn't a pc excuisive
it could litterally be in 2d in 64 colors and i could still be the best civ yet
consolefags and their fancy graphics seriously
>>337444860
Halo wars was one of the few RTS that really worked on console was fun while it was still alive
>>337451124
then why arn't you playing 3 which is the best in the series?
>>337451174
this
what is more important is that the engine is new and that the ai and performance problems might be fixed
>>337451151
dx9 didn't fix the issue for everyone. It was like they didn't even bother with any sort of optimization
>>337448987
It looks too gamey, I can't pretend to be an invisible immortal all powerful leader of a tiny nation.
>>337444292
top kek
>>337449629
This. As far as the AI is good and the late game turns don't take a fucking full minute to process it's already going to be better than 5. But we'll see about this
>>337451220
I do? And yes, it is
>>337451317
>ARMA
>"game"
I wish this meme would end. The best thing to happen to the arma series was a fucking broken zombie mod.
>>337443305
because the reason people play civ is because of the amazing graphics amirite?
>>337451436
the reason people play it is because they'd rather play cellphone games instead of real rts games
The problem I have with the screenshots they've released so far isn't just the cartoony oversaturated art style, which I'll admit is personal preference.
It's that they're an visual mess. Even considering that the UI has been stripped away it clashes and does a horrible job of communicating information. It all looks very disheveled and all-over-the place. I can't easily tell what I'm looking at here.
>>337448987
Look at Civ V forest and Civ VI forest. I can clearly see the Civ V tile. Civ VI is so sparse and thin it's not immediately clear what the tile is. That's just bad conveyance of information.
>>337451470
>civ
>RTS
nigger you better get some learning in you
>>337451284
only hardware I had problems running it on was a 8 year old laptop so ok
>>337451317
Arma is a fucking chore and had shitty animations
That screenshot looks great but actually playing it is ass
>>337448987
I think Civ6 looks better. It's more cartoony, but I like how all the relevant stuff pops up. It was never a serious series to begin with anyway.
>>337451436
Stop using this shitty argument to justify their laziness.
>game LITERALLY looks worse than its predecessor
>IT'S JUST AN ART CHOICE
>WHO CARES ABOUT GRAPHICS
Yes. Graphics aren't important in a strategy game but that is still no excuse to make it look like this.
They haven't even tried and now everybody is shilling it to death for some reason.
>>337451507
thank you for bringing up the sparse ass forests and jungles
>>337443305
I sincerely hope the right image is on the lowest graphical settings
>>337451434
>niche games aren't games because i don't belong to the niche
And then you use the same cum stained keyboard to talk about those nasty casuals ruining vidya.
>>337451572
>i don't like this game, thus its graphics aren't allowed for comparisons
No.
>>337451434
lol
more like uncharted "game"
>>337451674
I said the screenshot looks great but the actual gameplay looks like ass
fuck you that is EXACTLY what I said asshole
>>337451667
Doubt it, seeing as it's taken from promotional material for a recently announced game.
I'm excited to see the low-res version.
>>337443305
the superior ai and diplomacy, mmkay,
don't make me use "b-but civ was never about graphics" card.
>>337451751
You are dismissing a graphics comparison based on your dislike of the niche gameplay.
You are being irrational and I called you out on it.
>>337446979
That's just compression. The UK video has uncensored nipples.
>>337444191
>Civ games pretend to be pseudo realistic and more or less historically accurate.
That might just be the single most retarded thing I have ever read on /v/.
>>337451589
but it's not a art choice it's a poorly done art choice is the thing we need to say to help even out these IT"S A ART STYLE retards who are completely blind to how dead and empty it looks
>>337451658
That's supposed to be a jungle tile?
That is literally a cluster of ferns. I've seen dentist lobbies with more foilage.
>>337451434
>>337451572
Just because you can't play anything that isn't casual cod-shit doesn't mean that the game is shit.
>>337451790
>no diplomacy till late game aka forced war and implied better ai with zero proof
fuck off
Seriously don't see why people go so full autism over this. The old games look messy as fuck and the contrast between the realistic textures and the oversized models always looked wonky as fuck.
>>337451901
and this is just a random tile of jungle with forests around it making it look more populated than it is just thing of how jungle spots will look ingame
>>337451836
The original painting doesn't have uncensored nipples. The painter censored them.
>>337450605
legends
>>337451589
literally civ always looked like dogshit, people play it because it's fun to get shit on by scheming AI not because it looks AMAZEBALLS LOOK AT THE GRASS REALIZM!
>Laziness
Art choices and simplified graphics can only be a good thing considering how shitty and resource CIV 5 was at launch. I think the embryos here are too young to know the pain of literal fucking 200+ turn games getting wrecked because of some bug.
>>337443305
LMAO 3 HORSE
>>337452090
>zero detail to anything and blurry ass textures is a art choice
actually my picture is a "art choice" and it actually has detail to it
CIV 6's GRAPHICS ARE NOT AN ART STYLE IT IS PURE RUSHED OUT CASH IN THAT IS MADE TO RUN ON CONSOLES
>>337451949
unironic autist.
why no one's utilizing sprites anymore? that one is 1000 times preferable over mobile graphics.
>>337452090
resource intensive*
>>337452279
>zero detail
>plenty of detail just no shitty textures to use up all your vram
I don't see a problem with vector style graphics.
>>337446346
I didn't like how they dropped the historical campaigns in AoE III, it would've been great if they had campaigns for some of the leaders that they had, i.e. Frederick the Great, Ivan the Terrible and so on. Instead it was just Morgan Black and co. The AD campaigns weren't much better, Indian campaign was basically American War of Independence but in India and the Chinese one was based on some fringe historical theory.
>>337452280
how is posting about the official bullet points given make me a autist?
>>337452023
Oh that's what you meant - I thought you were suggesting that all versions of the trailer had been additionally censored. Yeah, it's true that the nipples aren't obvious, but he did paint the perimeter of the areola, and the nipples are somewhat visible.
In any case, I can't fathom why the Americans would need to censor it, or any other art.
>>337452279
To be honest that looks pretty shit, things just don't pop out and it makes shit look cluttered as fuck.
Civ6 might look like a F2P smartphone game, but it is easy to make things out.
>>337452346
>blur is vector
>game looks like shit
>call it art style or graphics whining
This is an example of art style. It looks good, internally consistent, is easy to see information, and has zero load on your graphics card! Civ VI visual design as revealed does not.
>>337452479
Fuck I love SoC. So simple yet so fun.
>>337444292
>dat multipoint lighting on the boat
>dem excellent water reflections
>that shitty
>that terrible lighting in 2016
Why even console anymore when a cartoonish TBS cash-in looks better than a AAA console exclusive?
>>337452479
I feel like were the only ones who see though this shill narrative
>>337452479
>thinking CIV is ever good until the 3-4th expansion
desu senpai I don't even think you've ever CIVed before.
>>337444292
>dozens of gameplay mechanics and endless replayability and user created mods on top
>third person cover shooting with short movies interrupting it on bottom
>>337443434
It's a shame since Civ5 is a pretty game(that I play on strategic view almost all the time anyway), but the features they've mentioned and that you can deduce are cool.
Like cities taking up more than one tile, and I saw some coastal tiles with cliffs between the tiles.
I hope for more varied terrain.
>>337445034
I love BFME 2 on the 360
The pc version is so much better once I played it though. For one you can create custom heroes.
>>337451549
>he didn't play against other people
>>337443675
>this resolution
Oh fuck
>>337452905
>play against other people
It's still turn based you stupid fucking nigger.
I bet you play Shaka and are stuck with Zulu warriors when other people have tanks
>>337452905
having two person conduct their turns simultaneously doesn't make it any less turn based fucktard.
>>337448987
I know what's bothering me now. Not so much the art style, but the units having less individuals so the scale feels smaller. Same thing with those districts being spaced out like that instead of more clustered.
>>337443305
Oh great so someone will put horsemods in about 3 seconds after release.
>>337444840
This.
This shit looks like Clash of Clans. So fucking de-hyped, fuck Firaxis.
>>337452408
>In any case, I can't fathom why the Americans would need to censor it, or any other art.
because it will literally trigger people here, probably moreso in the bible belt
growing up in this shit hole I was also shocked when I was 11 when i saw my first nipples in some movie i didn't expect to be R rated
>>337444745
The lost technology of the Ancients from a bygone era...
>>337444881
This is the first time I'm ever going to feel the need to install a graphics mod in order to make a Civ game not look like some butt-ugly mobile game. Wow.
>>337446348
>PC exclusives
>the last time Civilization looked like this, it was for Civ Revolutions
>a fucking console multiplat
Nah, you're not getting off the hook
>>337444840
Civ5 already runs on 6 year old tablets, I am sure it can be easily ported to phones without looking worse.
Its a deliberate artistic choice.
>>337446374
It looks like Clash of Clans/WoW.
In other words, cartoony babbified shit.
>>337452479
>Playing SoC
>Getting close to my win condition
>Nobody trading
>Some nigger has a monopoly on coal
>Next turn can play my final army and grab largest army to win
>Some nigger plays build 2 roads, grabs longest road and wins
Every time someone wins by the fucking road.
>>337452669
>thinking CIV is ever good until the 3-4th expansion
that should really be inexcusable going from V to VI, especially since it looks like it's borrowing a ton of shit. I just hope it's at least as decent as Civ5 since even that was still pretty shallow after 2 expansions
>>337453615
>inexcusable
Every sid meier game is shit until at least the first expansion desu
>>337453615
>the 3-4th expansion
Civilization games don't even get 4 expansions.
>>337453615
Civ2 vanilla was good.
Civ5 vanilla was good.
>>337448987
Holy shit.....I'll stick with V. I can't believe they've done this. Bravo, Firaxis.
>>337453714
>civ 5 vanilla
>good
I have never heard anything so wrong in my life.
>>337453706
>civilization games don't even get 4 expansions
They do, they just rename it set it in space and sell it to you full price again.
>>337449889
Basically. So horrendously disappointed.
All those obese sweaty neckbeards were right.
>>337447013
I'd rather see someone have his face blown off by a shotgun than a nipple
>>337453849
>le cynical to the unreasonable maximum makes me right
If you are going to devolve into an "everything is always shit everyone is a hack" mode of arguing, just say so in advance so I can ignore you.
>>337444191
Yeah, Gandhi really was one nuclear warmongering motherfucker.
>>337448181
>civ
>complex
>>337451470
How can Civ be REAL TIME STRATEGY WHEN IT IS TURN BASED YOU FAGGOT FUCK
>>337453979
>what is a bug
>>337451575
Your opinion manages to be objectively wrong somehow. This is almost impressive.
Unless there has been an official statement that Civ 6 will be less resource intensive, I'm going to assume that the requirements to run it will be higher than for the previous game in the series.
That's how it nearly always is for video games.
>>337453964
>unreasonable
>Actually implying that After Earth isn't a CIV 5 expansion disguised as a full priced game.
>>337453714
Civ 5 vanilla was universally hated. Fortunately Civ 6 is being made by the team that did the expansions for 5, so maybe it won't be terrible from the start.
>>337454173
well yes
its still going to run like shit
they cant optimise for shit
>>337454184
It isn't a Civ5 expansion, since it doesn't EXPAND on Civ5, rather misses many of its key features like historical context, religion system, ideology and tourism and so on.
Do you think Fallout 3 was an Oblivion expansion?
>>337446095
>ff xv and ni-ho
Your move pc friend
>>337454276
>misses many of its key features like ideology
The rest of your post is correct, but ideology was the one thing it did have.
>>337443456
>>337443675
Oh it's one of these pathetic console peasant threads. Awaiting 404.
>>337448987
Gotta admit that this looks fucking terrible. Like, I don't mind stuff being more colorful, but the lack of tile detail makes everything look so flat and boring.
Maybe it won't be as bad when you turn on tile-grid and zoom out, but I dunno.
If it didn't have Civ title slapped on it, at quick glance I would think its some mobile/tablet game.
>>337454252
which one was the team who did BE?
because fuck those guys.
I thought the reason XCOM 2 was PC-exclusive was that EU sold like shit on consoles.
Why would Firaxis try to go multiplat a second time?
Or are they after the tablet shekels?
>>337454414
In mention, not in the detailed customization it featured in Civ5.
Also my post was meant to read that its missing religion, its missing historical context, and its missing (ideology and tourism). Those two are packed together, tourism was the way to militarize your ideology. The Cold War thing, where simply being better off caused problems for other ideologies.
>>337453097
Its trying to imitate Clash of Clans.
This sucks. I cannot believe that Civ6 looks like some shitty phone game.
>>337454276
>since it doesn't expand on civ 5
It does though, I think you need to look up how expansions were in older games.
>>337443305
>we want the mobile player crowd
>>337448987
Is that really the font they went with for Civ6?
>>337454447
Too bad the actual game is absolute shit with curb stomp worth lesbian and tranny characters.
>>337454551
>I think you need to look up how expansions were in older games.
Oh, did expansions on older games remove half the mechanic in the main game and not replace them with anything?
I don't remember the Age of Empires expansion that turned it into Star Wars, and removed naval combat and ships, some of the resources and lowered the faction count. It was sold as a separate game, because it was a separate game.
>>337454551
identical spin-off / rip-off =! expansion
>>337454647
>there are icky girls in muh vidyer
abloooblooobloooblooo :((((
>>337454252
>Civ 5 vanilla was universally hated.
Strange since it sold so well.
>>337448987
DAY ONE PIRATE
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It's going to be simultaneous pc/tablet release, and it's going to be the best selling in the series
this is how a civilization falls
>>337454843
This is an expansion. It doesn't remove key features, and adds some content.
I don't understand if you are trying (and failing) to prove me wrong, or if you are just meme-ing to dodge being told.
Nobody buys a Civ game on launch for gameplay. They do it for the memes and mods.
That said, some of the new features such as multi-tile cities and combined arms sound cool.
>>337454938
He's meme spouting. He's not trying to prove anything or make any argument or contribution. He is just le meme spouting. Because spouting memes is what you do on 4chan, right? to fit in?
>>337454915
>so much mad
Your wife's son would be proud
>>337443305
In 2010 graphics was toward realisem, now it's all about smoothing the graphics
>>337454938
Well to be fair that shitty expansion did remove stuff. The pathfinding is fucked beyond repair and the AI on the old campaigns is also ruined. Everything now is either too easy or too hard, usually too easy.
>>337451572
So just like Uncharted games?
>>337454447
>He took the b8
Wait they're seriously going with those graphics? I thought it was like a pre alpha picture or something, it just looked so fucking shitty.
>>337455030
Thats not removing, thats replacing.
Old AI was replaced with new AI.
In Beyond Earth, religion was removed and not replaced. Tourism was removed and not replaced.
>>337455098
Well if old parts of the game are now unplayable it is effectively the same.
>>337454447
Am I supposed to be seeing any drastic differences?
Look at the jeep in the PC screenshot, like its made of rectangles. And the snow looks like sand from a 2004 game. No car tracks in it either. And you even zoomed out to make it less obvious the detail is gone, and used a darker night image instead of the one with the sky and sun like the console.
Let's not delve into the art style choices of Civ VI. What feature would you like the next Civ game to have? I want to be able to initiate lewd relations with other countries leaders. I want toviolently fuck Boudica
>>337455216
It isn't effectively the same at all. BE is a separate game, it can't fuck up your Civ5, and it lacks some of its features. African kings is an expansion, it alters the main game and changes features.
>>337455246
I want it to administer a strong electric shock and explode all weirdo weebs who have the game installed.
>>337455246
I want to have revolts that cause civs to split up, I want to be able to (very slowly) perform terraforming in the future ages, I want religion and culture conversions, I want global warming and nuclear winters, I want spies that actually move as units and can target individual leaders like in TW games and older civs.
>>337455246
While your suggestion is retarded it isn't as retarded as one might think.
We've built our palace in civ1, and our throne room in civ2.
It won't happen, but I guess a mod where you build your own Harem with conquered civ leaders could be fun.
>>337455246
>eiyuu-senki
>>337455231
Pathetic.
>>337455246
>>337455437
>I want to be able to (very slowly) perform terraforming in the future ages
I want more options to change terrain.
Even in earlier ages.
More terrain features, like rainfall, elevation.
Dig canal into a ravine and it fills up maybe.
A forest far away from civilization is different than one that has been close to a city for a thousand years.
If you want to build boats, you may need nearby forests. So you could screw yourself in an easter island type of scenario and use up all your trees.
Desertification.
anyone else remember how blown away they were when they saw civ 5's graphics the first time?
comparing that to now is such a let down
>>337454447
Top looks better.
>>337455659
>I want more options to change terrain.
>Even in earlier ages.
Great General improvement should be usable by ships, so you can invest precious generals to gain a canal through the land to move your fleet. Maybe also usable on mountains, to create passes?
Thats a reasonable terraforming option early on.
how buttdevasted are civgfags right now?
i wouldn't be surprised if these fags are still playing civ 5 while civ 10 is out.
>>337448987
tell me it's an ios port. who is not expecting a more simplistic ai and gameplay by looking at the dumbing down, please stand up.
I also want the ability to create independent consul states, not just puppet states after invading. Then when an empire gets to big break some far away parts into dependent states, deciding what non-fortified units go to each part.
>>337454807
With games like Civ, you don't find out how broken and shallow it is until you've played it a while.
>>337455246
I want it to be more streamlined. Instead of building military units you build "armies" that represent all of your civ's soldiers. And instead of having to pick what to build an advisor window pops up with a few options you can take every few turns
God Damn Mobile Clash of Clans Downgrade Cartoony Baby Art Style.
>>337446758
>its the youtube video thats stoping the game from rending close objects
>>337456076
>civ 10
???
>>337456534
He's counting in binary. He means Civ II, the superior Civ.
>making it look cartoony because mobile games are popular and these only go for the cartoony style due the limited hardware restrictions
>>337456773
>clash of clans looks plain
>clash of clans is the most played strategy game in the world
>1+1=2
When people working are out of touch, thats how decisions are made.
Like the proverbial aliens trying to recreate love from only having read about it in romance novels.
>>337455945
>Great General improvement should be usable by ships
You're thinking too much in civ5 terms.
Great General, and great general improvement doesn't have to be a thing.
>>337456934
Great People are vital to the game, I feel, so the Great General will exist.
If the city buildings will be placed on tiles, it makes less sense for the generals to be able to construct citadels, you would instead just build a barracks on that tile for example for a similar effect. And of course it would be terrible if the enemy could build a Great Citadel on your Hanging Gardens and remove it.
Still, using a Great General or Great Engineer makes some in-game sense, its thematic and follows the game rules to terraform early, before it would be sensible for the technology to allow it.
>>337452279
>IT IS PURE RUSHED OUT CASH IN
So we can call it... Cash of Clans?
>>337450674
>old flash games
man i miss the old net
>>337443434
>donkeys look like asses
you don't fucking say
>>337457262
>not going for the gypsy immediately
>>337456351
Yeah it wasn't balanced, but it was still a good game that was different enough from civ1-4.
While initially hard to learn how to spam cities, it was way too powerful once you knew how to deal with the happiness.
I think one of the design faults in civ5 as a whole is the yields of buildings.
In civ2 you got the hard yields from the working citizens, and the building gave % yields.
So the city tile itself didn't give you more yields, it was just a door your yields had to travel through.
In Civ5 though buildings gave you hard yields as well so the city tile itself became very valueable, so you wanted more cities instead of just reaching more tiles like you wanted in civ2.
I think a Market in civ2 cost like 1 maintenance and gave you +25% tax.
It is a very casual friendly approach in terms of design so you don't have to count or think too much. In civ2 if you were dumb you could build a market that lost you money, in civ5 a market doesn't have maintenance and gives you a hard yield of gold.
I hope civ6 doesn't pander to entitled casuals in that way, but it will.
>>337457296
pretty sure thats the other one
>>337457430
Eh that doesn't mean building spam is viable in 5. Almost every building has a maintenance cost, and in post BNW early game gold is much harder to get (No river tile gold, GPT from non-allied AI agreements like Embassy) So if you play like a dumbass and say spam barracks in every city rather than just your military production cities you're gonna be eating gold like mad.
As long as they fix diplomacy I don't care about graphics to be honest family
>>337457834
>spam barracks
Barracks have no yield so of course not.
>>337458069
Alright, how about building stuff like aqueducts for very low growth potential cities? IIRC they are -2 GPT. Sure it's a multiplier not a base yield building, still it may no be viable to build stuff like that situationally. Or stuff like the national college in the Capital? Usually sure, but if you have a city in Jungle near a mountain that's likely a better choice. There were a few situations like this that required adaptive thinking in 5, but sadly too few. Seems like 6 is aiming for a lot more.
>>337448987
the graphics looks the same as this one
>>337443434
>implying Civ V is any better than Civ IV
>>337458628
looks slightly more detailed there actually
I just wanted a nice game where I could build cities and shit.
What do I look forward to now?
>>337443839
>/v/ went apeshit over Gran Turismo 5 apples.
>Yes, apples. In some background NPC's basket. They were not round enough.
for real?
>>337458454
>Alright, how about building stuff like aqueducts for very low growth potential cities?
I don't undertand your point quite frankly or how it relates to what I've said.
>Sure it's a multiplier not a base yield building,
Yeah the aqueduct has a multiplier benefit in civ5 just like buildings in civ2 does.
>>337458628
What are these supposed to be?
>>337458967
>>337458967
siege towers i suppose
>>337458806
Yeah, apples in a basket on some race track's background were a flat sprite instead of 3D rendered spheres, and there were countless threads.
One pile of corpses from Mass Effect 3 still gets reposted in anger, despite being something you see once, and from a distance if you aren't autistic enough to go zooming into things.
>>337457274
good post
>>337458967
>>337459153
Yeah looks like siege towers to me. Probably a melee city killing unit that's shit against other units.
>>337459647
That's not fair.
AoW2 looks disgustingly good.
Even AoW1 looks good too thanks to its artstyle.
AoW3 ain't so bad either, but it's too recent to judge how well it ages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FfmNQJ_Xko
>>337449731
>a art
Graphics are the least important thing in a game anyway
>>337451850
>>337460213
Holy shit I didn't even see this one
Why would A anon post twice on A anonymous imageboardan hero
I just want a cool strategic view desu. It will probably look like a "hand drawn map" wont it
he mentions this in the trailer
That would be alright desu
>>337443802
Except that there aren't.
Do any of you ever get tired of being completely autistic? I mean, I seriously wonder if some of you are actually this cringe and spergish when you leave the house (implying).
Who fucking cares? Comparing console graphics to some random screenshot of a guy who could just turn particle effects to low just to push the "MUH CONSOLE" bullshit doesn't prove anything.
Also, not everyone has their Mommy and Daddy's money to buy a Fagmaster 9000X like most of you probably do.
Do you like consoles? Play them
Do you like PC? Play them
Most of you should've been beaten as children.
Does this mean we're getting deformed leaders again?
>>337446374
>Doom 4 should be sprites
You know this ironic argument goes against yourself, right? They are downgrading this game, like they would following that suggestion.
>>337460416
But what's the point of making them worse than the previous version?
>>337459153
What's the point of funneling the top? That makes their job worse as siege towers.
I wonder if they fucking fixed the abortion that is multiplayer for VI. I love taking 30 minute naps between turns
>>337460213
>being new
>>337444585
Let's not forget how the AI will go from being your ally the entire game, to betraying you after you won't give them free apples or because you continued expanding, or because you guys are so geographically close that no matter what you do you have a military presence near your regions border.
>>337461080
There isn't much fixing that unless you go with simultaneous turns, which is a mess.
>>337460829
>not wanting to play as köksal baba
SHIGGY DIGGY
>>337461120
B-But the AI plays to win the game! Not to be your friend!
THE GRAPHIC ARE BETTER BUT THE ART STYLE CHANGED U FUCKING RETARD. THE. ART. STYLE.
>>337460798
>to some random screenshot of a guy who could just turn particle effects to low
It's the official screenshot on the Steam store, retard. There are 3 of them.
>>337457274
those are HORSES you fucking dope
>>337443305
worst part is despite being a clear downgrade in graphics and looking like it could run on a ipad, it'll have higher system requirements somehow
>>337461265
That's like saying indie pixel shit has better graphics than a 2008-released top notch graphics game.
>>337461319
>muh graphics
>>337444191
No they don't. Ghandi fucking nukes you and shaka zulu has tanks.
>>337461349
True story.
>>337461080
This game takes long enough singleplayer. I don't understand how you can play it multiplayer.
Pic related. Great RTS alternative to Civ.
>>337443675
Looks like tabletop, I approve
>>337461392
It's a problem when they are downgrading for no fucking reason. If it were a new IP no one would bitch.
>>337461392
>Civ5 gameplay with hexes and 1UPT
We already know the gameplay is going to be shit, too, you retard.
This whole game stinks. Civ6 is Civilization's FF13-2.
>>337461261
They are not mutually exclusive.
Honestly most of the time the shitty AI makes me go first a military victory because I grow tired of their shit.
woah... so this is the true potential of the illustrious...master race..my god
>>337448987
How can anyone look at this and think that's an improvement?
How can they release a game like this with a straight face?
>>337443949
Underrated post
>>337458740
Death
>>337448987
Graphics are better, it's the art style that's the problem. It doesn't fit CIV.
>>337461501
>try to play this game with friends
>all matches end with a nuclear armageddon
>>337460213
holy shit BTFO
>>337443675
I have some 40K in my steam account but haven't touched them
those models on the right look wonderfully crisp though
>>337461437
Except Gandhi default personality is extremely unlikely to declare war in anyone and nigger zulu is always conquered by someone in the first rounds.
>>337455458
>While your suggestion is retarded it isn't as retarded as one might think.
That is the nicest thing anyone's said to me all day.
>>337461875
>not the offspring
GET THE FUCK OUT
>>337461837
They aren't better.
As long as all of the game's content remains intact, who cares if they simplify the graphics? It's minimalist and could run on a toaster, making the game more accessible to more players. It's basically a board game. Why do graphics matter so much to you? If the gameplay is improved at the expense of "realistic graphics" then I say that's a good thing.
>>337448181
>literally babbies first 4x
>complex
fuckin lel
>>337462319
>If the gameplay is improved
That's a major fucking if.
That's what gets people up in arms, its visual style looks like a mobile game and we're worried it'll play like one too.
>>337462552
Actually console game as this all screams timed exclusive here. I swear the moment I pirate it and load it up it'll recognize my controller and will force gamepad controls on me.
>>337461625
But FF13-2 was better than FF13.
> Properly planning out tech tree
> Manipulating city cities to help me win wars
> Finally knowing when to build what
Man, Civ is awesome when it finally clicks.
>>337443305
> pony thread
lel
>>337461837
They're m a r g i n a l l y better with a significantly shittier art direction
>>337462786
that's when it stops being fun for me. Like I got to the top of the mountain of figuring it out and the rest is just watching as I go through the motions.
>>337462319
>It's minimalist and could run on a toaster
Except it won't.
>>337463114
This is the problem with strategy games for me. I get all stressed out and do all this preplanning and minmaxing and can't just enjoy things as they come.
>>337444292
Fuck off with your interactive movies. Jesus Christ if you actually think Uncharted is good you're a fucking pleb.
>>337463616
Well, it looks like it should.
What are the civilizations of toons you can play?
>>337461546
But anon, those units aren't all bare gray or primed black!
>>337443305
What are they going to add that couldnt be added in a CIV V DLC?
Im not gonna buy it if its just another CIV V resking.
>>337443305
Different artstyle, early screenshots.
Don't pre-order or judge games based on three screenshots.
>>337465886
>What are they going to add that couldnt be added in a CIV V DLC?
Cities take up more than one tile, terrain features seem very different, like some coastal tiles have cliffs between the tiles.
>If you laugh at your enemies they win
Why does Civ praise Ghandi? He was never a leader, he was a protestors who did NOT represent a majority of Indias views.
His big contribution to India wasn't freeing them, Britain was leaving all its overseas possessions anyway.
His brilliant fucking idea was giving a huge chunk of Indian homeland to Muslims thinking they would leave India alone.
He seriously weakened India and it's standing among the Commonwealth and left it a easy Target for China to come in and take Tibet.
He seriously fucked up India.
At least other non leaders like Theodora did something positive for their people.
>>337466752
Why would India ever need Tibet?
>>337466963
All those hill tiles with Gold Copper and Silver resources of courseIn the past decade with pressure on the Tibet issue mounting China is speeding up its mining of Tibets resources too get as much as possible before they inevitable give it up
>>337467284
Give it up to who?
>>337467284
>before they inevitable give it up
But they've built rails specifically to move in more han chinese into the area.
I don't think they're giving it up anon.
Sorry, free tibet isn't happening.
>>337467373
They'll probably allow Tibet to form a independent government.
>>337467571
They'll try and make Tibet more culturally Chinese yes but the main thing is they are going to charge Tibet for all infrastructure and resources they've put into Tibet. Tibet will be in debt to China for all those highways and rail and power lines.
>>337443675
Is this Starcraft?
>>337467786
>They'll probably allow Tibet to form a independent government.
This is some of the stupidest shit i've ever read on the Internet.
>>337448987
SPOILER THAT
punch in the gut that was
>>337468152
Well they won't want to give it to India and they can't hold onto Tibet forever, nor will they want to after all its Gold and Silver is mined.
>>337468504
>and they can't hold onto Tibet forever
Why not?
Please answer this simple question.
>6 years and a console gen later
>graphics are devolving
JUST
>>337466752
>His big contribution to India wasn't freeing them, Britain was leaving all its overseas possessions anyway.
Britain leaving her colonies was complex, but a major component of leaving India was that major parts of India (government, military, other services) were not complying with or mutinying against the British. Ghandi was pretty important for popularising that dissident spirit in India.
>>337457262
name ? i did try the fox btw
>>337443305
why do you even need graphics in a strategy game?
>>337470767
>isometric, 2d, sprites
>fully 3d with 3d models
great comparison
>>337449871
t. kanker
>>337470829
Why do games need sequels?
>>337443305
>Caring about the graphical changes when there are such sorely needed gameplay changes
On another note, why are these threads always full of "hmm, looks like they're taking a page out of endless legend for the cities!" posts?
You guys realize that total war games have been doing this for years, right?
>/v/ is going to be full of people who've never played a Civ game calling V a masterpiece and VI shit just because of the graphics
what a time to be alive
>>337458806
Umm, no it was the BI apples.
>>337470920
It's their choice to use 3DPD, we can judge them for it.
>>337471145
V is far from a masterpiece, but it was a very pretty game.
I played it on a toaster most of the time though so I couldn't benefit from it.
>>337471441
Doesn't change the fact that the new Civ looks better and is more technically impressive.
>>337470996
dont know
why do people need games?
>>337461837
Funnily enough, the "improved" graphics have made the game look worse. The individual models are higher detailed than Civ V's, sure, but as a result there are fewer people in each unit. In the Civ V image the number of people in a unit goes up to 16, in the Civ 6 image there's fucking four people per unit. You can no longer view battles as large scale conflicts, this is such a bizarre art style shift if this isn't intended to be a glorified iOS port.
Funny how detached theyre from their fanbase. It should be quite obvious that fans of CIV would not like this mobile game artstyle yet they went all in.
>>337448987
Civ 6 might be lighter for graphics cards, always hate that in civ 5 when cells load while moving on laggy map.
>>337443305
Civ 5 was shit and civ 6 will be shit, people who care about graphics are what is wrong with the series
>>337465886
>tfw no classic fire emblem 4x ever
>>337465886
Maybe they can fix some of this http://www.sullla.com/Civ5/whatwentwrong.html
>>337458052
make this go viral
>>337459523
There really is no excuse not to make them 3D. Drawing a sphere takes like 2 seconds and the texture can just be rotated and copied.
>>337448987
It's obvious that it's a whole aesthetic they're going for, this is the shit only graphicfags care about
>>337466752
and he was obsessed with poop
>>337451751
nah familia its operator simulator and there's Gameplay even if u dont like it whereas uncharted is Watching A Movie simulator
>Rollercoaster Tycoon is 17 years old
>it still looks crisp and pristine
Why can nobody do timeless art styles anymore?
So its apparent they want this audience, right?
>>337443305
I sure hope that this style makes online play much better.
>>337458052
saved.
>>337476706
how does anyone get to 7 million gold in that game
>>337455246
I want technologies to be tradeable, I want units to be tradeable.
>>337455246
I would love for the strategic resources to have more uses to them.
I would of loved for spare coal to be used for making caravans into trains and trades become more efficient and you can change there desired location more often. (Mainly because I like to rapidly expand and I usually force at least a food and a construction caravan to new cities).
>>337478065
Making gameplay changes just to suit your powergaming preferences seems silly.
>>337466752
QUICK POST LEADERS THAT YOU WANT TO PLAY AS!
I'll take good ol teddy roosevelt.
>>337478565
der Leader with a capital L
>>337470767
holy fuck i miss age of wonders
>>337479029
It didn't go anywhere, you know.
>>337456773
>implying the standard pc mustard keks have better hardware than a toaster
you are not their target customer since you spend few of your money on games
>>337447013
pretty gross looking, desu
>>337446978
dow triple
>>337443675
>alpha pic
>looks like the source material
Fag
>>337461265
AND IT APES THE WORST ARTY STYLE ON THE MARKET U FUCKING RETARD. ON. THE. MARKET.
>>337476706
>you will live to see the day that legitimate game developers blatantly steal design decisions from 3-hour (development time) mobile games
just fucking kill me now
>>337476706
they want an audience that willing to pay them money to play their game.
so yes, they want that audience.
Definitely not the ones who scream like a banshee and pay near to nothing for their games but willing to spend countless hours each day whining about how nobody pander to him.
>>337448987
Holy fuck. This looks even worse when you compare it like that. Fuck this shit, Im out. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>337443305
Honestly, I can see why people are pissed about it, but I dig the new art style.
The only thing that bothers me are the units looking straight out of clash of clans.
The terrain being simple looks pretty sweet, I just hope there will be more variety because the three screenshot are all green plains and pine trees.
>>337467614
>201X Best sonic
>1995 Best Rayman
>1997 Best Crash
>1998 Best Spyro
>Banjo is a shit game.
I don't give a shit about graphics or framerate or performance or anything.
I just want AI that can regularly catch people off guard without requiring massive player handicaps.
>>337459987
Fuck I love this game.
>>337444860
RUSE is cool
>>337451317
>Mid budget
You do realize any thing that is triple A is million and over? ARMA cost was over million.
leaked picture
>>337481265
Wow. The dick didn't help his father but went after the car.
>>337481707
>aaa having to do with how much money it costs to make a game
Why do you retards not realize how dumb you are
>>337443305
>it's a "/v/ complains about graphics from a handful of zoomed low quality screenshots" thread
Was shitposting a part of your plan?
>>337482517
4/10
>>337455231
>Am I supposed to be seeing any drastic differences?
You might be blind or retarded if you can't see any single differences in graphical quality.
>>337444292
Top actually look more appealing, bottom look very washed out
>>337482517
This isn't even about graphics, it's about artstyle. We're at a point where graphics have stagnated, so a focus on artstyle is more important now. My problem with civ 6 is that it looks too ''cartoony'' it reminds me of a free to play mobile game.
>>337443305
>Civ V gets a tablet mode
>Civ VI becomes a full blown tablet game
>>337484132
The worst part is that Civ is a game that goes on for so long that its designed for tablet shit games.
Why is CIV IV so fucking perfect
I can't stop playing
>>337458052
This fucking hurts. Why does everything has to go smartphone-style in the past years? Remember Sim City's graphics? Fucking what the fuck.
>>337481265
fucked up priorities
>>337461837
They aren't better, in visual or in performance.
Somehow they fuck up the performance, I'll never understand.
>>337448987
They regressed to copying a mobile game, I doubt their AI relationship formula or game play has aged any better.
>>337466752
Dunning-Kruger effect, you should stop posting
>>337451674
You avoided the shitty animations critique, face it the game is riddled with bugs more than Bethesda, at least it's mod community will fix that shit up, still are actually.
>>337487625
it's because it's cheaper and they now have a mass audience who don't know any better to rip off
>>337481265
>watching people put the car in park
>no parking brake on
i've seen cars break the parking paw and roll backwards before, you deserve it
>tfw I like the art style
am I autistic bros?
>>337485665
You obviously can.
Since you're here.
>>337488929
Agreed, the market was dumb enough to bend over to DLC to give companies a reason to slack off from their competitive drive, never put a ban on games published by monopoly greedy companies, EA & Bioware looking at you.
Let game play formula sit on the back burner, leave it to the indies for innovation, except those fuckers will never get good at 3D innovation.
Rely on the drought and thirst for AAA games, they are shit but marketed and shilled to be good. Coke a Cola did it, why can't we.
>>337489362
No. It means you are able to have an opinion other than that of the general /v/ poster's.
>>337489526
that must mean there's something wrong with me right?
>>337489553
The only alternative is that /v/ is autistic.
>>337448987
MODS WILL FIX IT
>>337489553
You lack self-confidence
>>337489362
It means you should fuck the hell off to clash of clans, you fucking piece of shit human being
>the same people who complain about the cartoony graphics and small units are the same people who unironically think Civ V is better than Civ IV
>cities now physically expand across the map
> Expanding on the “one unit per tile” design, support units can now be embedded with other units, like anti-tank support with infantry, or a warrior with settlers. Similar units can also be combined to form powerful “Corps” units
and... the big one ...drumroll..
>A CIV FOR ALL PLAYERS
tablet civ.
>>337489921
I don't think anyone thinks Civ 5 is better than Civ 4
And Civ4 is cartoony with a legitimate style.
>>337443305
Really.
>>337489921
tbqh I've had much better MP sessions with V than IV my famalam.
>>337489921
i miss the aqueducts
>>337489362
No the artstyle just appeals to you, and you don't associate the artstyle with the bad game design philosophy of smartphone games that the artstyle is reminiscent of.
You're probably still autistic, but not because of that.
>>337491806
>I don't think anyone thinks Civ 5 is better than Civ 4
heh
>>337444860
Tropico 5 on ps4
>>337443865
I personally love havin to wait 40 seconds per turn every time I select more then 4 civ A.I.s
I'm a graphic whore and I'm one of those that started posting 4K screenies back in 2013 here and consoles are indeed inferior hardware wise and do halt PC graphics because game devs ain't gonna release the same game twice but with different textures (since textures are compressed down to lower tiles to run on consoles with limited RAM and CPU/GPU bandwidth.
BUT
2D games, isometric or not are always more charming to look at.
Just look at AoE1&2 then compare that to AoM.
>>337489362
I kinda like it too, especially with samurai having different armors. I don't play free poops or mobile shit, like the rest of kids who complain in these threads.
>>337443305
It does look a bit more cartoony than I would like, but all I really care about is how enjoyable the game is, so whatever.
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>>337497846
wut
>>337497846
wut
>>337450567
Is that confirmed to be included in 6? It's the only way I play.
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![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fH7MgQd.jpg "latest[1]")
![compare_city4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8tcTqGu.jpg "compare city4[1]")
