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A very big reminder that Vanilla WoW is going to happen!
Lets talk about how great Vanilla will be!
BEEN THERE DONE THAT
JUST PLAY LEGION
Sunken Temple was by far the greatest dungeon of all time!
>>337415617
cant wait until ppl leave after 2 months
Can't wait to play my windfury shammy
>>337415415
wtf that map is completely wrong, doesn't even have globlins or the right layout.
>>337415832
I feel sorry for you.
>>337416008
me 2
>>337416008
nah that's Curse of Doom. One minute later he's dead.
>>337415415
>Playing Horde in vanilla
Enjoy your shitty ass tremor totems.
>>337415617
Legion gonna suck
>>337416008
I wonder how many people exist that don't know what to do if they see a fuckin' seizure occurring right in front of them. I chuckled the couple of times some kids just walks up and kinda pushes on his chest a little like he was doing CPR or something.
>>337416008
Loved my Tauren Shaman, but i've exhausted Vanilla content in Vanilla itself
I just want new content without some sort of instant-group party feature, cross-realm and hand-holding quests.
>>337416359
>playing alliance ever
>>337416359
Enjoy your racials i guess
Sorry you need fear ward as a crutch
Vanilla will happen after Legion is released.
>>337416359
>Binding totem
>Frost/fire resist totem
>Poison-removal totem
>All those different totems that was actually useful for the group/raid
There's a reason why Horde usually were first to complete content
>>337416687
>There's a reason why Horde usually were first to complete content
Skilled adults and non-cancer individuals rolled Horde. That's why.
>>337415415
>The Valley
>The Valley
>The Valley
>The Valley
>The Valley
Holy fuck Warcraft is a generic, shitty fantasy world. Why the fuck is it as popular as it is?
>>337416008
Did he died?
>>337416008
That's pretty sad..
>>337416846
I know this is bait but it still triggered me
>>337416901
I think so.
>>337416687
Sorry, but us Alliance players were too busy beating off to the dancing night elves in IF/SW.
>>337416687
Nigga the top guilds in vanilla were all alliance.
>>337417070
>
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Guild:Ensidia_(Tarren_Mill_EU)
>>337416484
>Fear ward
Man, i almost forgot about that despite being a big ass helper
>No more class quests
>No more race-class only skills
>No more partying it up like old times thanks to blizzard hand-holding retards
>No more one week long Alterac Valley
>No more proper pre-events before events for a patch that isn't pre-expension
>No more traveling with your bros to a dungeon
>>337416008
What's the story on this?
>>337416926
>Hurr le noble paladin medieval Europe analog
>Durr le honorable noble savage Orcs
>Herf le SUPER SCARY MONSTARS FROM BEYOND REALITY CUMMING TO KILL US!
The only unique thing in the whole franchise is the Caribbean Trolls, and they're like the least important race in the world.
>>337417242
darky is bad actor
>>337415415
Source that it's going to happen?
>>337417254
Oh yeah, and how could I forget
>EVERYTHING IS OVERDESIGNED AS FUCK AND CHUNKIER THAN DRIED SHIT
Warhammer is alright because its ridiculous overdesign goes along with its ridiculously bonkers setting, Warcraft is just lame.
>>337417375
Is not going to happen but the nost crew is going to work for blizzard.
>>337417397
>Warhammer is alright because its ridiculous overdesign goes along with its ridiculously bonkers setting, Warcraft is just lame.
At least warhammer geography isn't chunky.
>>337417242
Specifically, who knows.
Generally, you can shake a person's brain in their skull with the right angle/power in a punch. It kinda just sits in there, you know? Anyway, that's not good for it, and can cause a seizure.
That kid is experiencing a gran mal seizure. Full on, tonic/clonic, after getting decked in the head.
For the record, you roll him on his side during an episode and you call 911.
>>337417171
>2006
>friend applied to Ensidia
>got rejected
>then applied at Nintendo
>got rejected as well
>>337417461
>bitching about geography
/v/ never fail to make me laugh.
>>337417461
Warcraft's setting is literally just two bean shaped continents and an MMO DLC continent in the middle. Fucking Tamriel looks more organic than whatever they call Warcraft's planet, and it's pretty much just a parallelogram.
>>337415832
ST was my favorite as a leveling Warrior back then because it was the first chance I got to tank a big bad dragon in a group, She of Eranikus.
Made even more impactful by being a gnome.
>>337415832
Maraudon > ST.
>yfw they effectively removed the entire lower levels from ST in retail WoW
>>337417657
It used to be better, but it got more potato over time.
I blame WoW for needing to fit everything into neat square valleys.
If Vanilla servers do happen, what are you going to roll?
Fem Orc Fury Warrior master race here.
>>337417860
>expecting to dps as a warrior in Vanilla
>>337417860
Orc Enh Sham. Elemental every once in awhile after I get that ZG trinket.
>>337417657
>organic
What you talking about nigga look at earth, it's got a continent that looks like America
>>337417860
Female Night Elf Resto Druid~ :3c
>Alliance vs Horde shit posting
>play Alliance on Nost
>annoying autists
>roll Horde surely it will be better
>literal memes in all chats
>world chat is nothing but Trump arguing
Pick your poison
>>337417923
Warriors were the best DPS in Vanilla, followed by Rogues.
>>337417923
>le dps warriors were bad maymay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j394pECi_eI
>>337418102
>>337417923
No I didn't say they were bad I'm saying expect guilds to want you to want. All the time.
>>337416160
>>337416213
I bet you like BRD you fucking losers
>>337415856
Can't wait for the knuckledragging Nostbabies to still be bitching 8 months from now about how Blizzard is totally ignoring a gold mine and how WoW is totally going to die and how if w-we get the petition signed Metzen will HAVE to listen to us!
>>337418292
Tank*
>>337418320
>Blizzard is literally meeting with private server developers and an ex-WoW dev to discuss Vanilla servers
>>337418512
They already met and it resulted in the Nost devs announcing they wouldn't be releasing their source code.
>>337418102
>Naxxramas
>measure of Vanilla viability
You're telling me a class with a massive amount of gear did good dps?
>>337418591
DELETE THIS THEY'RE GONNA BRING VANILLA BACK AND I'LL GET BACK ALL MY CHILDHOOD JOY BY TALKING TO GOLD SELLING CHINKS WHILE I RUN MC 40 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>337418591
>They already met
try again fuccboi
>>337418591
How is your reading comprehension that bad? Oh right bait nice one roody-poo
>>337418591
1. Nostralius can no longer pay for their servers using donations, since the server host does not accept individual donations and if the Nost guys take it thats as if they're making profit from it
2. The only solution they thought up was for some magical Übermensch to pay the full price of the server hosting month per month, due on the 10th of every month. They announced this in the forums and had an open invitation for people to do it.
3. Nobody did it
4. Its literally time to pay up and they dont have the money
5. Nostralius magically gets "contacted" by English and French lawyers representing blizzard telling them to shut down their servers by the 10th. Quote: "or as long as the host lets us"
6. No images, screenshots, photos, copy-pasted text over these cease and desist "contacts"
7. Payday is up, blizzard shuts down their servers coincidentially at the same time.
8. Nost sends a sad letter to blizzard, riles up the fans, and promises to leak the source code for the servers.
9. To this day that hasnt happened. Its not like they're busy.
10. you're getting fucking played.
>>337418591
if that's true, why would they not release it?
>>337418664
Bring those goalposts back here. I'm saying that Fury Warriors did good DPS relative to every other class/spec with equally good gear.
These threads make me so happy. We know its coming and I love getting hyped up again for it.
Seems like Nostalrius gave us vanilla withdrawal syndrome. We have once again tasted the pure columbian cocaine and MUST HAVE MORE.
Fuck I want to get into world pvp shenanigans and just screw around with the other people on the server.
It's so easy to tell who the shitposting idiots that didn't play vanilla are.
>>337417923
I raided as dps warrior IN RETAIL VANILLA.
Warriors were one of the lucky classes to have 3 useful as fuck talent trees. Though deep prot wasn't that great.
Let's face it, vanilla servers will never be a thing because Blizzard is too fucking stubborn and retarded to make them a reality, all we are going to get from them meeting with the Nostalrius people is a big letter from them saying how it's not going to happen due to X reason, the only WoW you guys are going to get is either Current WoW or a shitty WotLK server that will die in 2 years.I really hope I'm wrong.
>>337418860
Because Blizzard got them into their office under the premise that they would be discussing Legacy servers, then hit them with an NDA and threats of legal action if they didn't sign it.
>>337416962
Struve deserves every loss he receives
>no flying mounts
>no dungeon maps
>no quest tooltips
>world pvp for actual fun and server noteriety
>no flying mounts
>farming for an epic mount was rough
>tradeskills weren't just another stat bonus
>quests like the gong mallet, sacrifical egg, and UBRS key set players apart from each other
>forming groups and rolling out of cities together, no auto-queue system
I mean, it was flawed, but vanilla was the single best version of wow.
>>337419015
The servers aren't going to happen because there's zero proof that people are willing to pay for it and releasing it for free is stupid business. That and Vanilla was fucking awful.
>Beta opened today
>It's complete fucking garbage as predicted
Can't wait for it to flop.
>YOU THINK YOU WANT IT, BUT YOU DON'T
>>337416448
Hey
Nothin wrong with being a Dwarf.
Dwarves are cool. Every other Alliance race sucks, though.
>>337417815
>>337415832
Original MC > Everything
>>337419094
It's a shame he can't develop a good jab. He'd be so fucking good standing at 7'.
>>337419270
I don't think he can uproot his entire style to just predominately feature jabs this late in his career. He doesn't seem like the type of fighter who can change his style on the fly.
>>337417220
But only Priest had Race-Class Only skills
>>337419175
>it's complete fucking garbage as predicted
t. Person who didn't play it.
>>337417435
Ha ha holy fuck they really won out in the end, didn't they
and the nostalrius fanbase gets fucked hard
I don't even care about Vanilla, but goddamn I miss old Org. Neo-Org is fucking terrible in pretty much every way except the zeps are in town instead of outside.
>>337419459
>It gets better at endgame!
>>337419541
Who are you quoting?
>>337419367
He doesn't need to change his entire style, he just needs to learn how to use his range so that manlet fighters like Mark Hunt can't just move inside at will.
What killed WoW for me was when they changed Alterac Valley
>huge, Elite guards in the bunkers/towers
>takes like 10 people to take them down, they will SMITE any solo attacker
>basically army against army
>devolves into limited skirmishes, Alliance turtling at their bridge, whilst the one bunker there rains down arrows of death from above
Goddamn was that ever fun. Week long AV's, you get off one day, go to school/work, get in the net day, and its the SAME AV you were in YESTERDAY, or TWO DAYS AGO
they KILLED IT, so that people could farm AV tokens/honor tokens, which they eventually abandoned
>>337419132
>no flying mounts
This is a good thing, Anon
>>337419583
People who tell me this expansion isn't garbage. Everything in the beta is more of the same shit as WoD, but now everybody is a speshul snowflake with their ashbringers and two button rotation demon hunters.
>>337419650
And I'm saying that he's not going to be able to do that at an elite level since he hasn't already
>>337419915
>People who tell me this expansion isn't garbage
Have you played the beta?
>Everything in the beta is more of the same shit as WoD
What is?
>two button rotation demon hunters
But they don't have a two button rotation, also rotations have never been difficult, even the retardation that was Feral Druid in WotLK wasn't difficult if you spent more than 10 minutes with your class.
I can't wait for Vanilla servers. Pushing Shadow Bolt and stop cast is absolutely amazing gameplay and I wish Blizzard would go back to such great gameplay mechanics.
>>337420002
Fighters evolve and adapt all the time. Good fighters do anyway.
>>337420113
someone was a shit warlock i see
>>337420081
>Have you played the beta?
Yes.
>What is?
Everything from Garrisons to no content and pruning.
>even the retardation that was Feral Druid in WotLK wasn't difficult if you spent more than 10 minutes with your class.
It was still better and more complicated than any of the current classes in Legion thanks to the retarded ability pruning.
>>337420283
>Have all that PvP gear with bonus armor
>Get jumped by a Dagger rogue
>Empowered Curse->Curse of weaknees (with talents)
>Or just be Demo in general
>Laugh at them while they tickle you
Being a Lock in Vanilla was so fun.
>>337420481
>Yes
Cool, go take a screenshot.
>Garrisons
There are no garrisons.
>no content
Got a non-hyperbole point to make here?
>pruning
Pruning has been done literally every single expansion.
>it was still better and more complicated than any of the current classes
"Not difficult" and "not difficult" are the same thing, plus WotLK's raid mechanics were far more forgiving than WoD.
>>337420481
You could have just told us you didn't play the beta anon
>>337420674
>There are no garrisons
Class halls are garrisons.
>Pruning has been done literally every single expansion
Not in Vanilla, BC, or WotLK.
>WotLK's raid mechanics were far more forgiving than WoD
You've never ever touched Sunwell or Ulduar.
Not the guy you're replying to, but you're a fucking idiot.
>>337420814
>You've never ever touched Sunwell or Ulduar.
Sunwell isn't a WotLK raid you dummy
>>337420814
>Class halls are garrisons
No profession buildings making professions obsolete, you aren't isolated from other players, you don't have to play Farmville to upgrade mandatory buildings, no raid rerolling tokens, etc. So no, not garrisons.
>Not in Vanilla, BC, or WotLK
TBC and WotLK both had ability removal, obviously Vanilla didn't because it was the first non-expansion iteration of the game.
>you've never ever touched Snuwell or Ulduar
They're objectively less difficult and mechanically intense than Heroic Archimonde.
>>337421127
>Heroic Archimonde
Heroic Archimonde is a fucking pushover and hasn't got a single difficult mechanic. My guild got him on our 8th attempt, after we wiped 31 times on Iskar. He's easier than Zakuun.
>>337421120
>Sunwell isn't a WotLK raid you dummy
It doesn't really matter because the point is to compare the older game to the newer game.
>So no, not garrisons
They're garrisons. You're isolated from other people, you play a gay little facebook game to have NPCs play the game for you. They're mandatory for progressing through the expansion. Spin it whichever way you want to, you're wrong.
>TBC and WotLK both had ability removal, obviously Vanilla didn't because it was the first non-expansion iteration of the game.
The overall complexity of the classes and abilities you had available to you went drastically up. That's the point.
>They're objectively less difficult and mechanically intense than Heroic Archimonde
The tools that individuals have in order deal with mechanics was significantly more limited. This ended up meaning that those "simpler" raids were more difficult.
>>337418102
>Literal Patchwerk fight
>basing dps on this
Nigga you are full fucking retarded.
Not to mention we had 4 mages doing double that retards dps.
>>337418892
the thing is a fury doing good DPS would die 30 secs into any fight at most except the gimmicky ones
>>337417435
>>337420113
Didn't Nost literally say that it's not happening but instead they said like "oh we made a replay tool its like da esports!!!"
>>337421680
A literal Patchwerk fight is the perfect metric to base generic, overall DPS on. Fucking idiot. Simcraft bases their rankings on what classes can pull on fucking target dummies. It's always been that way.
>>337421560
>you're isolated from other people
No you aren't, there are other people inside of it.
>you play a gay little facebook game to have NPCs play the game for you
NPCs unlock some missions for you, so no.
>they're mandatory for progressing through the expansion
No they aren't, they're there for cosmetics and for a class side story.
>the overall complexity of the classes and abilities you had available to you went drastically up
Just like now, then. Because every class went from "not difficult" to "not difficult but different".
>The tools that individuals have in order deal with mechanics was significantly more limited.
What? How?
>Those "simpler" raids were more difficult
But they weren't, which is why people were breezing through them on Nost. Don't stand in fart gas was only difficult for literal children.
>>337421805
>Didn't Nost literally say that it's not happening
No. In fact they said they're very optimistic about the future of legacy servers.
literally literally literally
>>337421820
Simcraft also said that you should max stamina as a feral druid in wrath for Ulduar.
Their "simulation dps" is always fucking retarded. It's never been a viable tool for anyone clearing current content at launch.
>>337417220
>Pre-events for an event that isn't pre-expansion.
AQ40 was the single greatest thing my guild ever did. We all banded together to farm the shit out of cloth and shit.
>>337421845
>No you aren't, there are other people inside of it.
People of your class only. That's still isolating you from a fuckload of people you would be seeing without garrisons 2.0.
>NPCs unlock some missions for you, so no.
You also play a gay little facebook game and have these NPCs play the actual game for you, just like in WoD.
>No they aren't, they're there for cosmetics and for a class side story.
They're mandatory. It's funny because before WoD came out, this exact same argument was had regarding garrisons. Shills and Blizzard were swearing that garrisons weren't mandatory. The game actually comes out and they're fucking mandatory.
>Just like now, then.
No, not just like now. Cata/MoP/WoD/Legion all pruned abilities and reduced the overall number of spells and abilities you had to work with. Class complexity has been diminishing since 2010. Classes in WotLK were so much more complex and varied than they are now.
>What? How?
Classes weren't homogenized. Every healer having a magic dispel as of Cata is a great example of homogenization that made the game worse/easier.
>But they weren't, which is why people were breezing through them on Nost
People were breezing through them on Nost because they're 12 year old raids that all have strategies datamined, the way to play your class has been figured out for you, and MC/BWL were the only raids that were available.
>>337417860
Subtlety Daggers Rogue.
>>337422089
It doesn't matter, the fact that DPS ranking is based on a Patchwerk scenario still stands.
>>337422364
>people of your class only
So you're not isolated, got it. You capitulated that point then. Look up the definition of isolation.
>You also play a gay little facebook game and have these NPCs play the actual game for you
But you don't, you press two buttons and it unlocks a mission for you, just like accepting quests.
>they're mandatory
[citation needed]
>classes weren't homogenized
You're right, they were all just extremely limited in what you were allowed to play because if you had a healing specialization, every other iteration you could have with your character was substandard. Warlocks were fucking abysmal and you couldn't have more than one, etc. "Homogenization" (which isn't true as classes all still have their own things they bring to the raid) is better than variety at the cost of balance.
>It's because of the strategy guides!
You don't need strategy guides for
>don't stand in this goop
>hit this one target
>>337422634
>You're right, they were all just extremely limited in what you were allowed to play because if you had a healing specialization, every other iteration you could have with your character was substandard. Warlocks were fucking abysmal and you couldn't have more than one, etc. "Homogenization" (which isn't true as classes all still have their own things they bring to the raid) is better than variety at the cost of balance.
You're a fucking moron. Consider the argument lost for yourself. Don't bother replying.
>>337422802
>getting blown the fuck out this hard
Wew lad, maybe you can start a petition to get the skin I just tore off your asshole grafted back on.
>>337419183
Excuse me.
>>337422905
You're right anon. Hybrid classes could only play healing specs. Warlocks were terrible and every raid only ever brought one. Having 1 semi-unique raid buff (which are completely gone in Legion) makes classes comparably unique to what they were in Wrath when they had dozens of unique abilities that set them apart.
Enjoy the rest of WoD and Legion anon! :]
>>337423419
>which are completely gone in Legion
Observably untrue.
>so asstoasted he had to take a 10 minute breather just to reinforce the fact that he lost the argument
Shaking my head.
>>337423419
>dozens of unique abilities that set them apart.
Spamming that rank 1 frost bolt sure was fun.
Love it when people shit talk others about the state of wow.
Vanilla was shit. People who actually played it know this. Most of us preferred TBC because it wasn't the stupid fucking grind fest that vanilla was.
>>337423528
>Observably untrue
And no, the raid buffs aren't becoming new active situational buffs, they're replace old situation buffs like rallying cry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV3dBSHBbVo
This is some complex gameplay and class balance right here if I've ever seen it. Just look at all these intellectually superior boss mechanics. Truly more difficult that Vanilla/BC.
>all of these wrathbabbies and shills getting btfo itt
feels good lads
>Log into vanilla WoW
>All my attacks miss
>All +hit or spell pen gear requires level 60
>Talents don't change play style
>Talents are either mildly useful or terrible so everyone ends up with the same build
>Quest requires me to go to Ratchet then talk to someone in Undercity then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to someone in Ashenvale then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to a guy again in Undercity
>Travel speed extremely slow
>Mobs have slow respawn rates and low quest item drop rates
>Most dungeons are uninspired caves
>Mana costs of high level spells are so high healers cannot use them
>Gear is often bloated with useless stats for the only classes that can use an item
>PVP so broken the meta is defined by gimmick items/engineering
>PVE mobs barely do anything other than autoattack
>Log out of vanilla WoW
>log into warlords of draenor
>instantly hit level 100
>look around for things to do
>can't find anyone, everything worth killing dies in one hit
>cash-shop menu pops up offering pets and mounts for $25 USD
>log off, unsubscribe, uninstall
>>337425371
>try WoD during that 7 days free promotion they had last week
>at level 92 get elite quest with 3 players recommended
>solo it as a tank without needing any healing
>>337415415
someone explain.
Is WoW getting rebooted or something?
I don't understand how rebooting it would be possible, but it would finally convince me to play it.
>>337419270
i wonder how it feels to get destroyed in a fight after shit talking someone for so long
>>337415415
Oh God. I see a dinosaur clown being attacked by a bacteriophage.
>>337425452
>Level 92 elite quests
What quest was that? I don't remember any group quests until 96.
>>337425485
>Is WoW getting rebooted or something?
That's what everyone is hoping for. There's a decent chance it'll happen, but Blizzard might yet again be too retarded to seize a golden opportunity.
>>337425567
killing a talbuk it's not far from that worgen woman from cataclysm
>>337425567
There were elite group quests in every zone. I remember the one to kill that giant wasp in Shadowmoon Valley off the top of my head.
>Play on legacy WoW server
>Mobs can only have a maximum of 8 debuffs applied to them at a time
>Rogues instantly kill you if they get an opener from stealth
>Optimal damage rotation is just Shadowbolt
>Game is full of random chances to get stunned pvp comes down to RNG
>Most boss battles are almost entirely non-interactive for everyone except the tank causing each to feel the same
>Bosses are all gear checks there is no room for skill to trump gear
>Leveling comes down to autoattacking if your auto attacks miss while the enemy gets crits you die
>Talents are either things you have to take like 5% crit chance or completely useless like 5% more 5% more chance to block on a class that can't block leaving no room for unique builds
>Many specs are intentionally designed to be useless
>Talents barely change the way you play
>Items are loaded with useless stats such as cloth armor with strength and agility
>99% of players have no idea how to play the game every enhancement shaman stacks agi every hunter uses 2 handed warrior axes
>>337417860
Male orc windfury Imam/dervish shaman.
Too bad it'll be NEVER EVER
>>337415415
This is sad.
We will never progress in the vidya industry
People pick at straws to try to relive the glory days of our childhood of video games. And when they play those said games they don't get that magical feeling anymore
So they resort to remasters and HD collections.
This is fucking pathetic.
We're just going to get remasters and HD collections.
Fuck all of you.
>log into warlords of draenor
>instantly hit level 100
>game tells me what class to roll, what spec to choose, what talents to take
>look around for something to do or someone to talk to
>nothing, nobody
>can't find any reason to play the game
>log off, unsubscribe. uninstall
>millions of others follow suit
>subscriber count is lower than it's been since the first few months of Vanilla
>Blizzard stops releasing sub numbers
>wrathbabbies and shills on /v/ try to claim that this is somehow a superior game
>log into vanilla
>entire screen covered in endless tutorial messages
>log off play an actual hardcore game
>>337419015
>because Blizzard is too fucking stubborn and retarded
This describes blizzard almost as a whole. Reminder there STILL ISN'T A STRAIGHT PVP BATTLEGROUND. Reminder there STILL ISN'T A STRAIGHT PVP AREA FOR PVP WITHOUT FUCKING PVE OBJECTIVE BULLSHIT FORCED INTO IT.
Blizzard is full of stubborn assholes,and that's why I'm so hopeful for Overwatch, because the Overwatch team has shown themselves to the least blizzard-like team I've seen blizzard ever fucking have.
>>337427084
Why go into a battleground for that when you can just go to the opposing faction's capital?
>>337415415
>go on legion alpha
>talk in general chat about vanilla wow and how i used to love playing it back in the day and commented about how much the game has changed in ways i didn't like
>"who the fuck cares about vanilla"
>"lmao look at this grandpa"
>"oh look it's another 'i have played since vanilla' guy coming in with his nostalgia"
>"just play legion, fuck vanilla wow"
i swear activision blizzard has brainwashed more people than the catholic church
>>337427281
Because players don't go to their faction capitals. Orgrimmar is a ghost town.
>>337427429
Modern WoW players pull some crazy mental gymnastics where they will themselves to see Vanilla as negative to justify playing the current game.
If Vanilla was terrible, and the modern game is the complete opposite of Vanilla in every way shape and form, then the modern game must be amazing.
>>337427513
>Orgrimmar is a ghost town
Its not much compared to back when WoW was good, but this isn't too bad considering Org isn't the main city this expansion, and nobody is playing because there wont be new content for 3 months
Also there's always a lot of pvpers outside of Orgrimmar / Stormwind, and people come if an enemy raid shows up.
>>337415415
I never got to try WOW.
Will vanilla still be sub based? Or will it go free?
>>337427857
There is no Vanilla. People want it but Blizzard has basically told everyone to get fucked and buy their next shitpile instead.
>>337427964
>Blizzard has basically told everyone to get fucked
Where?
>>337427964
Hm, that is too bad. I;d really like to try it since I;ve never been able to get into MMO's so I thought maybe if they are going back to the beginning I might give WOW a shot since I always liked the other games.
>>337428235
Blizzard didn't tell anyone to fuck off. They're meeting with the Nostalrius devs in the near future and legacy servers are almost guaranteed to happen.
>>337428520
They already met you retard, they met last month. The only thing that came of it was Nost announcing they wouldn't release their source code and Blizzard posting "TLDR Fuck off" on the forums.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743584206?page=1
>>337428927
>They already met you retard
Already refuted in this very thread. >>337418767
My only question is, why lie and spread obvious misinformation to people just looking forward to playing games?
>>337429034
Mark Kern is not one of the Nost devs idiot.
>>337429187
http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44031
>We saw the first official answer from J. Allen Brack on the topic of legacy servers, the petition reached 250.000 signatures, and we are currently scheduling a meeting at Blizzard campus!
They're meeting Kern and the Nost devs as one group.
>>337429187
Here's another. Do you cucks ever get tired of being repeatedly and egregiously BTFO?
>>337429187
>he's stopped replying entirely
>>337417171
Ensidia was WoTLK you fucking retard
>>337430568
Further down the page you'll find Nihilum's accolades. Nihilum was Vanilla fagface.
>>337425839
You either never played vanilla or have a terrible memory. Stop repeating the "vanilla sucked" meme to fit in with other jaded assholes.
>>337430786
I have played vanilla and on vanilla private servers that post is 100% correct
If I were trying to fit in I'd be sucking vanilla's dick
>>337425229
this is all true
yet it still managed to be more loved and enjoyable than anything blizzard can make in 2016
>>337415832
Maraudon was one of my favorites, truth be told. If only because the ugly, fungus infested tunnels opened up into a massive, beautiful waterfall.
>>337425229
>All my attacks miss
How is this a negative? Yeah, your attacks had a chance to miss, so?
>All +hit or spell pen gear requires level 60
I'll agree this was a little annoying.
>Talents don't change play style
False
>Talents are either mildly useful or terrible so everyone ends up with the same build
Partly true, but more builds were viable than people give credit. Also, the old talent trees were great.
>Quest requires me to go to Ratchet then talk to someone in Undercity then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to someone in Ashenvale then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to a guy again in Undercity
But this is a good thing.
>Travel speed extremely slow
Another good thing
>Mobs have slow respawn rates and low quest item drop rates
Not a negative in my mind. You have to work for rewards.
>Most dungeons are uninspired caves
I know a lot take place in caves, but uninspired? See Mara or BRD. And you know shit like Deadmines was great.
>Mana costs of high level spells are so high healers cannot use them
You use multiple ranks of spells given the situation. I'll agree that this is an odd mechanic though.
>Gear is often bloated with useless stats for the only classes that can use an item
This was on all classes' gear, so is it really a negative? It was just weird.
>PVP so broken the meta is defined by gimmick items/engineering
False
>PVE mobs barely do anything other than autoattack
They have barely changed in retail. Most mobs had one or two abilities.
>>337431564
>You have to work for rewards.
How the hell is sitting there WAITING considered "work[ing] for rewards".
>>337431718
You don't sit there and wait in Vanilla, you go out and do things. In WoD and Legion on the other hand, you sit there and wait for your rewards after sending your garrison/class hall followers out to play the game for you.
can't wait to walk for 3 hours to finish 1 quest.
>>337431816
No, you sit there waiting for respawns
You are not doing fucking shit. You're just waiting for the goddamn mobs to respawn.
>>337431718
Time is simply one more form of investment in a game. When I kill some "boss" type mob out in the world do you really expect him to respawn 10 seconds later? No, you either group up, get their first, or wait.
Besides, you never ran out of regular mobs to kill except on extremely overpopulated servers like Nost.
>>337431564
>PVP so broken the meta is defined by gimmick items/engineering
I won't say they define the pvp. but people on private servers often go way overboard with the gimmick items and engineering.
Undead rogues and mages with engineering, free action potions, and sleeping dust are not uncommon.
>>337431930
When it's crowded, sure. So you group up to spread the quest credit around and go about your business actually playing the game.
In WoD and Legion on the other hand, you actually, literally, and unironically sit there and wait for your rewards after sending your garrison/class hall followers out to play the game for you.
>>337431930
This only happened on Nost where many other players were doing the same quests all the time. Even then, just group up man. It's a fucking MMO.
>>337431930
How would that be any different in any other MMO though? In vanilla WoW, you would pick herbs and lotus and take them to an alchemy table in order to make flasks that you could sell for a high price or use in raids. The part where you wait for herbs to spawn is just one step.
>>337431936
And that's not working for a reward, that's waiting for your reward.
Killing lots of mobs hoping they'll drop their shitty quest item is not working for a reward.
>>337432092
Define what working in an MMO means to you then.
>>337432092
What is working for a reward, then? Video games have not reached a level of interactivity where players can literally use their hands to craft items.
>>337432193
Ignore him, he clearly prefers games where the game tells you on the map where a quest is located and then wants the quest item to drop instantly. Then he wants to fly at 400% speed back to the quest giver, get his free purple weapon, and then go up 5 levels.
>>337431564
> Also, the old talent trees were great.
You sure don't know what the fuck you're talking about, do you?
>>337432362
>get his free purple weapon
um, anon. I think you mean legendary weapon. Check your privilege nostcuck.
>>337432193
Not fucking sitting around waiting for fucking quest mobs to fucking respawn because I've killed all of them and one of them decided that it didn't have a fucking heart.
>>337432470
That's defining what working in an MMO isn't. Define what working in an MMO is.
>>337432362
>Ignore him, he clearly prefers games where the game tells you on the map where a quest is located and then wants the quest item to drop instantly.
Having god awful drops rates, like 10% at tops, on some quest items was fucking awful and
> where the game tells you on the map where a quest is located
Is fucking stupid point when everyone used thottbot all the fucking time in Vanilla and TBC, when quest addons came out those were top of the list.
>>337432437
Do you? I can name like 8 diferent builds for a paladin.
>>337432538
Working together with 9-24 other people to kill a raid boss.
>>337432437
>implying
The old talent trees gave a real sense of customization, progression, and achievement. You wanted to unlock those OP sounding talents deep in the tree. Whenever I had some time to kill or I was flying, I'd be looking at my talent trees considering which I should take and imagining myself with all these cool abilities later on. Working hard and augmenting your abilities was just flat out fun.
>>337432692
What about 19-39 other people? Vanilla has that.
Strange parameters for what you consider working though. You have to be with that specific number of people, in a raid specifically, killing a boss specifically to be considered working in your opinion?
I guess you're just retarded and your point of view can be entirely dismissed then.
>>337432613
I can name one that worked for PvE. Holy.
I can name one that worked for Mage once you were done with fire immunities. Fire.
I can name one that worked for Druids besides being an aurawhore. Restoration
I can name one that worked for Shaman. Restoration.
For Priests it was holy, maybe one shadow priest tops.
I'm amazed by the amount of choices each class could have!
>but moving around a point or two makes the build oh so much different and special!
>>337432912
See >>337432963
The only thing it actually did was give some form of "progression" for every level but that's it.
Vanilla talent tree was complete garbage. It got 10000% better in TBC when pretty much all specs became viable.
>>337432963
>le druids had to le heal maymay
you cucks never fail to make me chuckle
>>337432949
>39 people
Into the trash it goes.
>>337432949
Are you sure you're old enough to be on this website
>>337433049
I wasn't defending vanilla's trees specifically. Just the old trees in general.
>>337433146
22.
Nice argument btw.
>>337433259
So you just never aged beyond the age of 7, mentally?
>>337433146
Nice argument bro, you sure showed him!! Upvoted, my fellow Redditor!
>>337432949
>that ui
holy shit are you serious
>>337433324
epic
>>337433312
Nice argument.
>>337433351I play without UI mods
OP says that it is going to happen, but what have we heard last?
"Yeah we totally gonna talk about it... sometime"
Blizzard fucked you over, admit it. They will never start this project.
>>337433205
The thing about the talent trees was that they didn't really offer flexibility, they were always just cookie-cutter build after cookie-cutter build.
So yeah, while they gave the feeling of progression they offered nothing much beyond that.
>>337432963
Damn you like to move goalposts
>>337433390
Considering you got hung up on idiotic specifics instead of reading into the context of what I said, I can safely assume that I have no need to argue because it would be like arguing with a literal child.
>>337433476
>Damn you like to move goalposts
I've yet to move a single one, dude.
>>337415415
It looks like a man being fucked up the ass.
>>337433453
The new talents are essentially the same thing if we're talking "cookie-cut" builds though. Besides, leveling in retail is now so fast that these talents give no sense or reward or progression. Are you saying you dislike talents as a whole?
>>337433521
You're the one who resorted to semantics and set these extremely specific parameters for what you considered 'work' in a video game. You then resorted to calling me underaged when your pathetic argument got completely destroyed. All to shit on Vanilla World of Warcraft, a game that came out 12 years ago.
You sure you're old enough to be posting here?
>>337433641
> Are you saying you dislike talents as a whole?
I don't really care for skill trees one way or the other. They are just plain "progression" feeling every one level and that's that. Ultimately you'll work towards the cookie-cutter build simply because it's the best.
>The new talents are essentially the same thing if we're talking "cookie-cut" builds though.
Can't speak for WoD but in MoP you could switch around them for situational stuff on the fly.
>>337433701
I literally was saying that fucking raiding is actually working. Holy fuck, you're either literally underaged or ESL scum, either way you need to fucking leave.
>>337418892
fury warriors had a exponential curve for growth/gear in terms of dps in vanilla. You would be fighting on equal grounds/do better than rogues by the time your're at the end of AQ gearing. This is mostly due to how rage worked back then.
>>337433701
>>337433521
>>337433390
>>337433312
>>337433259
>>337433146
HUGE INTERNET FIGHT. EVERYONE COME WATCH.
>>337433593
I laughed. It's more like one of those oocoo from twilight princess being fucked with a crowbar. Nobody's dick is shaped like a Z.
>>337433701
And for the fucking record, I was talking about a very specific fucking problem with how the questing system was organized in vanilla and was criticizing the wording of a retarded anon who tried to fucking imply that fucking sitting around waiting is "work[ing] for rewards".
Literally fuck off you illiterate piece of shit child.
>>337415415
>Lets talk about how great Vanilla will be!
Yes I sure love taking 15 minutes to get a full group for a dungeon, only for someone to leave and then spend another 15 minutes to find a replacement.
>>337433770
>I literally was saying that fucking raiding is actually working
Then say that next time instead of trying to sound smarter than you actually are. Either way you're retarded and your point of view can be entirely dismissed.
>le vanilla questing wasn't work because it didn't happen in le instance!
fuck off
>>337433812
Fury Warriors competed with Rogues from Molten Core on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyEPdOFKiec
They pulled top 3 DPS on nearly every encounter.
>>337432963
>I can name one that worked for PvE. Holy.
>For Priests it was holy, maybe one shadow priest tops.
First it's one, then it's two. And you absolutely wanted a shadow priest for the debuffs, so it's not one tops, it's at least one. 15% extra shadow damage is pretty important for your warlocks. PI specs were also sometimes used. Basically, priests could use all their 3 specs in PvE, and each build had some small variations.
>>337419896
that's what he said..
>>337434090
15 minutes if you were lucky for some places and time. Not to mention people getting to the instance.
>>337417397
>Warhammer is alright because its ridiculous overdesign goes along with its ridiculously bonkers setting
Before or after age of sigmar?
>>337434150
Am I reading this right, people are doing +40k on golemagg? wat
>>337434541
It tracks overall damage done, not dps.
>>337418020
>>roll Horde surely it will be better
What on earth drew you to that conclusion?
>>337434150
>They pulled top 3 DPS on nearly every encounter.
The only fight where a warrior got to top 3 was Lucifron.
>>337434745
Most will agree that the Horde were generally more mature back in the vanilla days. He probably thought it would apply to Nost as well. That time has long passed though.
>>337434798
Count multiple Rogues as 1.
>>337434949
That's retarded.
>people care about top dps
>not just fulfilling your goals
>>337434865
Chuck Norris XD roflcopter
>>337425839
>Talents are either things you have to take like 5% crit chance or completely useless like 5% more 5% more chance to block on a class that can't block leaving no room for unique builds
this is the dumbest thing i've heard from a legion fanboy yet.
>>337435147
Memes from a more civilized age
>>337435104
No it's not. Why would you count the same class multiple times?
If that raid had 20 rogues in it and they were all doing more damage than the Warrior, would Warriors be the 21st best DPS class in the game? No. Rogues outperformed Warriors so multiple Rogues will be ahead of one Warrior. Warriors are still the 2nd/3rd best DPS in the game.
>>337434259
>First it's one, then it's two.
Yes, you want a debuff machine that would be completely shit if it weren't for the debuff. Hardly a viable spec at that point.
>>337434150
First, im genuinely surprised that he is doing that well as a warrior, i suppose since its a "second" run people know better this time around. I did most of the things he did, lots of leather and mail replacements for higher crit value and AP.
That being said, is a pug, i don't know the relative gear levels of the rest of the group, i do know that even the best guilds on my server didnt run dedicated dps warriors seriously until late BWL into AQ.
Most my raiding time i was considered hybrid offtank, in the 10's for dps in dps leather and mail, could switch to shield and plate for tanking encounters.
The nost team will not be hired by blizzard.
There will never be vanilla servers.
Sorry boys but it's true
>>337435554
source?
>>337435583
Source, I'm a software developer
>>337435276
>would Warriors be the 21st best DPS class in the game?
Now you're making a completely different argument.
And if you had 20 rogues in the raid dealing better damage than a warrior, that would mean that warrior would be a pretty shitty dps class compared to rogue, considering all 20 rogues are outdps'ing it. "2nd/3rd best dps" doesn't mean much if you're heavily outdamaged by another class, especially when you only have 5 dps classes in the raid, one whose dps suffers a lot in several encounters because of decursing (mages) and one which simply sucks (hunter).
>>337435947
>Now you're making a completely different argument.
No I'm not. I said Warriors were a top 3 DPS class. You said "nuh uh! there were 3 rogues in the top 3 dps!". And then I told you why that's irrelevant when determining individual class/spec DPS rankings.
>that would mean that warrior would be a pretty shitty dps class compared to rogue, considering all 20 rogues are outdps'ing it
It would simply mean that Rogues are better DPS, but warriors are still 2nd/3rd.
You decided to miss the point entirely for the sake of shitposting.
>>337436194
You claimed that warriors competed with rogues. Being 2nd/3rd best dps class isn't competing, if that class is way behind the one that is 1st.
If you let Usain Bolt and a bunch of fat neckbeards from /v/ race, would you say that the neckbeard who came in 2nd was competing with Usain Bolt, if his time for 100 metres was 35.1 seconds?
>>337436432
>You claimed that warriors competed with rogues
And they did. That Warrior outdps'd several Rogues on each encounter. That and overall damage done between Rogues and Warriors was always very close.
>>337416962
Lanklets, when will they learn?
>rogue is the meme class in Vanilla
c-can we have TBC instead
>>337436572
>That Warrior outdps'd several Rogues on each encounter.
The existence of bad rogues who afk or die on fights being outdamaged by a warrior doesn't make warrior as a class compete with rogues. Your arguments are getting more and more retarded.
>That and overall damage done between Rogues and Warriors was always very close.
Try taking a look at how much damage the top rogue and how much the top warrior do in the fights. The top rogue does 24% (Lucifron), 43% (Magmadar), 59% (Gehennas), 37% (Garr) more damage than the top warrior. They are way behind rogues.
>>337436918
Glad that jumpy homosexual got rekt.
>>337437272
He's goddamn wobbly like Eddie from Tekken 3
>>337437114
>The existence of bad rogues
For all we know, the Warriors might be bad. The fact still stands that Warriors went toe to toe with Rogues on the DPS meters in MC. That's the definition of being competitive with something.
>They are way behind rogues.
That Rogue might be super geared. Either way, Warriors are still competitive.
>>337418934
I wish i could like games again
>>337437408
what would a competitive raid setup even look like? every warrior weapon gets DEd because the only warriors are tanks and the 20 rogues can't use axes?
>>337438082
>what would a competitive raid setup even look like?
>>337432949
>>337419160
>there's zero proof that people are willing to pay for it
There's no possible way for people to prove they would pay for it though, other than for Blizzard to release it and test the market. "No one would pay for it" is the perfect justification Blizzard can use to never do it, because there's no way for the playerbase to prove otherwise.
>>337437408
>For all we know, the Warriors might be bad.
Prove it.
>The fact still stands that Warriors went toe to toe with Rogues on the DPS meters in MC
>The top rogue does 24% (Lucifron), 43% (Magmadar), 59% (Gehennas), 37% (Garr) more damage than the top warrior.
Again, that's not toe to toe. That's utter defeat.
>That Rogue might be super geared
There's a different rogue at the top of the damage meters on all 3 first bosses. Your claim would have to be "the 3 rogues are super geared compared to the warriors", which is honestly silly.
>>337438386
I claimed Warriors were a top 3 dps class. I was right. I claimed Warriors were competitive with Rogues. I was right.
No point in arguing further.
>>337435196
>vanillafags defend this
>>337438501
Shamans have a talent that lets them reduce damage in PvP/soloing and possibly offtank in dungeons. I see no problem with it. It beats the super homogenized, hyper-balanced, unfun cookie cutter shit in modern WoW by a mile.
>>337438486
>I claimed Warriors were competitive with Rogues. I was right.
So you believe that if one class is ~40% ahead of another in dps, they're competitive?
If that's what you believe, then yeah, there's no point in arguing further. There is no curing your stupidity.
>>337438663
>Shamans have a talent that lets them reduce damage in PvP/soloing and possibly offtank in dungeons
You're right, but it's not that shitty block talent. Don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about.
>>337417860
Dwarf Rogue, probably roll a Dwarf Paladin as an alt. Might roll a Dwarf Hunter or something after that.
I like Dwarfs.
>>337438930
That block talent would help a Shaman do all 3 of those things.
>>337438743
By almost anyone's standard, Warriors were competitive with Rogues. Give it up bud, you lost the argument.
>>337439287
>almost anyone's
By whose?
You're the only one I've seen claim that, and even if there were other people claiming so, it wouldn't make it true. The Earth is round even if there are millions of people claiming it's flat.
>>337435323
Why not ? So long as the buff/debuffs they bring along are worth it seems like a perfectly good design choice to me.
http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=38086
I'll just leave this here.
>>337438936
You're a good man.
>>337439508
>By whose?
Merriam-Webster's
>>337439610
because support classes should be able to heal, tank, buff, debuff, bring utility AND do as much DPS as the pure dps classes otherwise they aren't a real class.
https://youtu.be/-_NNNycorO4?t=37m21s
Hmmm.
>>337439757
Why don't you answer this then, since you've avoided answering it.
>So you believe that if one class is ~40% ahead of another in dps, they're competitive?
>>337439857
If a class can compete with another class, those two classes are competitive with one another.
Damn, pic related doesn't look like 40% more damage to me. That looks like Warriors are just about as good if not better than (aka competitive with) Rogues!
>mfw Orgrimmar is just a corridor in Cataclysm
What the fuck
>>337415415
It won't happen.
Blizzard played us all masterfully.
>Make some vague statement
>Say that legacy is too difficult to do
>... but you're gonna talk to the Nostalrius devs
>Nothing ever comes out of it
>The hype will have been completely extinguished by then
>>337440000
>Not 100% Blizzlike buggy private server
>Not taking player skill or gear into account
>Not taking specs into account
>>337440070
>Nothing ever comes out of it
see>>337429695
>>337440152
>Meeting
I guess you can't read
>>337440070
>get invited to talk to blizzard at blizzard HQ
Like stepping into the fiery seventh circle of hell.
>>337440118
>backpedaling
>damage control
>moving the goalposts
>>337440118
>Shifting goalposts
Warriors are just as good as and can sometimes beat Rogues on the damage meters. That's the definition of competitive. You lost this retarded argument fuckhead. Give it up.
>>337440185
What didn't I read properly?
>>337440000
Oh, so now we moved from MC to BWL because you were initially wrong?
Warriors actually get good with BWL gear, so good job.
>>337440325
>b-b-but that was b-b-blackwing l-lair!
pathetic
>>337440406
See >>337434150
>Fury Warriors competed with Rogues from Molten Core on.
>from Molten Core on
Shifting goal posts is silly.
>>337440238
Ok you got me a rogue with no talent points and 31% uptime on slice and dice and no poisons can lose to an arms warrior if you count overall damage instead of boss damage
>>337440325
>>337440406
>>337440459
Warriors did a shit ton more damage than anyone. The problem was that they pulled aggro and went splat when they did, as well as the entire raid usually.
This is coming from an old rogue main.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#hZVbcbxxz
How do I make this shammy more tanky?
>>337440459
In that video, the Warriors often beat Rogues on the meters. That's what competitive is. Warriors were competitive with Rogues from Molten Core on. It's literally a fact.
You lost this retarded argument fuckhead. Give it up.
>>337440314
When I said that nothing will come out of the meetings. Announcing them managed to completely kill the hype, and that's all Blizzard really wanted.
People seem to be missing the fact that in the same stattement they literally said the same thing they've always been saying: that Legacy is somehow "too difficult".
>>337440601
>In that video, the Warriors often beat Rogues on the meters.
In how many fights did a warrior beat all the rogues? In how many fights did one even come close? Please post timestamps as proof.
You're repeating the same arguments I've already refuted. See >>337437114
>>337440509
>Ok you got me a rogue with no talent points and 31% uptime on slice and dice and no poisons can lose to an arms warrior
You don't know any of that. That meter was taken from a group of people that were clearing bosses in BWL in under a minute each. Nobody was slacking that hard in the group.
>if you count overall damage instead of boss damage
It was all boss damage added up. No damage on trash was factored in at all, that's a totally separate meter.
>>337440605
To clarify I meant that making legacy servers is too difficult.
>>337440713
Not him but from experience a fury warrior with much less gear than a well-geared rogue could easily out-damage them. The problem was aggro.
>>337440605
>When I said that nothing will come out of the meetings
We'll get a definitive answer one way or another. "Nothing" won't come of the meeting.
>they literally said the same thing they've always been saying: that Legacy is somehow "too difficult"
They didn't say it was too difficult, they said it was difficult. They said they can't just flip a switch and turn on Vanilla servers otherwise they would in an instant.
>>337440713
>In how many fights did a warrior beat all the rogues?
Quite a few. I'm not going to take the effort to go through and write down the time of each occurrence.
You lost this retarded argument fuckhead. Give it up.
https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?boss-kill=309470#bosskills_players:0+3+1
>Fastest nef kill on kronos
Hm.
>>337440907
But you do realize that is bullshit, right?
Especially since they, again in the same statement, talked about "Pristine realms", which would require A LOT more work than simply launching former expansions again.
They are still lying and doing everything they can to avoid doing it, because the implication that pristine is somehow easier than legacy to implement is just idiotic.
>>337440787
The video has a threat meter in it. In the fight where the warrior comes the closest to reaching the rogue (Lucifron), threat is not a problem at all. Just watch the video.
>>337441030
If you want to claim that they exist, you also need to prove it. Otherwise your argument falls apart, and you lose the entire argument.
You can't declare yourself the victor if you refuse to defend your points.
>>337426820
You can turn that off retard
>>337441115
How is it easier?
>Launch a server with certain features disabled and certain items removed
vs
>Raise an entirely different web infrastructure in order to support a game that is not even compatible with battle net 2.0
Just hiring GM teams to deal with vanilla-only issues would be a huge investment.
>>337441115
Pristine servers would be infinitely easier to do than legacy servers. They'd just turn off LFD/LFR, transfers, heirlooms, and xp boosts.
>>337425371
You can do lots of things retard
>>337415832
I liked original Sunken Temple, BRD and Maraudon.
Maybe I'm a fag. Also original Scholomance was better too
>>337441261
That's actual work on those changes.
Legacy is just launching something that is already 100% complete.
>>337441215
>If you want to claim that they exist, you also need to prove it.
I posted the video. The proof is right there, go ahead and find it.
You lost this retarded argument fuckhead. Give it up.
>>337441327
>Legacy is just launching something that is already 100% complete.
Come on now.
>>337441363
Checked all the boss fights. Warrior never on top.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
>>337441514
>Checked all the boss fights. Warrior never on top.
Prove it.
>>337441424
Seriously what do you have to do with Legacy that you won't have to do with pristine realms?
>>337428927
>being this much of a retard
>>337441546
>In that video, the Warriors often beat Rogues on the meters.
You made this claim, it's up to you to prove it.
>>337441556
The Nost devs put in 5 years of work to make their server. I don't know what that entailed exactly, but it definitely takes more work to do than shutting off a few features in retail WoW.
>>337441685
... you do realize that every decent private server requires so much work because they have to replicate Blizzard's code, right? And Blizzard HAS the original code.
>>337441614
>it's up to you to prove it
That's what I thought.
When Vanilla servers come out I'll roll my Warrior and be consistently #1 on the damage meters competing with Rogues in Molten Core while you sit there playing your needledicked class in 2nd place. Stay mad.
>>337441685
That's because the code had to be reverse engineered.
And more like 10 years, since the wow emulator is an open source project and the vast majority of it was done by mangos contributors.
But launching vanilla servers would require a lot of work not because of the code, but because of the support infrastructure.
Also, vanilla is incompatible with the new client, so they'd either have to develop a new game client or restart support for the older version somehow.
>>337441806
>And Blizzard HAS the original code.
They probably do. It'll still take some work to implement, certainly much more work than turning off a couple features on retail servers.
>>337441815
I'm assuming you concede then, as you're unwilling to back up the points you made?
Alright then.
>vanilla mechanics/viability discussion
>people compare real vanilla with shifty, inaccurate private server software environment
Boy, will you guys be disappointed if they ever manage to replicate vanilla 1:1 and you find out your buggy Nost build doesn't work anymore there.
>>337441881
>some work to implement
To do what, exactly?
>>337441929
You conceded several posts ago when you tried to play semantics and change the definition of the word 'competitive'.
>>337442000
Did I now?
I didn't realize that the definition of competitive was being outdamaged by 40%. What do you think the limit is for competitive dps?
>>337441845
>>337442056
So they just have to transfer some GMs there, what's the big deal? They don't have to patch that shit, just release more content gradually.
Also how is it incompatible with the new client?
>>337441956
Critical bugs that make entire specs obsolete get fixed first.
The bugs that aren't fixed are those that are obscure and less noticeable.
Vanilla has been theorycrafted to death a long time ago, I'm pretty sure there's very accurate specs on what kind of damage what class is expected to do in what spec and gear. And private servers are generally in the ballpark.
They would never fork their codebase. There's so many bug fixes and stuff that they've put in that people would be annoyed about. They can't simply retrofit all those years of fixes and upgrades to the old Vanilla code.
Besides, nobody will ever be able to agree on exactly what features should be included. Instanced BG's? Arena? Summon stones?
What about expansions? You don't think people will demand a BC server? A Wrath server? Where will it end?
That's a hell of a lot of uncertainty for a big corporate entity like Blizzard. They'll never do it. Instead they'll find some way like Timewalker shit for you to do the old raids.
>>337442147
The server code has to talk to the client.
The client and the server get patched simultaneously and stay mutually compatible.
A 1.12 build server wouldn't be compatible with the MoP client for the same reason you can't play MoP by simply installing your 2004 vanilla disk without patching.
>>337442189
>You don't think people will demand a BC server? A Wrath server? Where will it end?
People will want at least 1 PvE and PvP server for Vanilla, BC and Wrath. Nobody wants Cata again
>>337442349
Well right there is a fuckload of trouble. Maintaining three pairs of client and server alongside the latest game would be a nightmare!
>>337442189
> Instead they'll find some way like Timewalker shit for you to do the old raids.
That sounds horrible because raiding is honestly the worst part of vanilla.
Vanilla was great because the in-game world was a cohesive world, not a mess of obsolete expansion content stacked on top of each other.
>>337442184
>Vanilla has been theorycrafted to death a long time ago
I don't recall stuff like "balance druid" being that good/raid-viable back in the day, yet I've seen tons of people already swearing it was in Nost.
Sure there must be something different between both?
>>337442410
It would be, they wouldn't bother to do it unless they had certainty that a really large number of people would come back. They'd probably also make the tokens that you use to buy game time incompatible with those servers so they don't lose out money wise
>>337442473
I can't really blame people for reacting this way.
They fucking made so much content obsolete, and every 2 years the last expansion is made obsolete.
There's tons more obsolete content than current content.
It's funny you know, they have this policy that they want everyone to see everything they put so much effort into. But every two years - bam, expansion content gone. Never to be seen by any new player.
>>337442292
So you're saying that introducing a new game to Battlenet is somehow a fuckton of work?
Not even completely new, you already have the servers, just have to modify some of them.
That's somehow more work than changing a shitton of mechanics and making sure the game still works after that on pristine realms?
Come on now.
>>337442639
>>Not even completely new, you already have the servers, just have to modify some of them.
With old obsolete code they have no intention of supporting.
>>337442723
Well you just have to do it once, right?
>>337442565
Patches. Game mechanics were very different in patch 1.12 (naxx) than they were mid-vanilla. And private servers are 1.12
Warlocks, for example, were a pitifully weak class for a long time in vanilla, and it's still common to see people say that warlocks would never get taken to raids, etc.
After the class redesign, warlocks became godlike, top 3 PvE DPS and really strong in PvP. But since it was a shorter period in vanilla history, it's not really well remembered.
Probably same thing happened to balance druids.
Private servers are wonky in that you're playing MC/BWL content in a Naxx client, with naxx talents, etc.
>>337442138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80R9FG8s_nU
There you go.
>>337442848
Yeah but that "once" is an enormous code undertaking, that they will never do.
They will not use the old code - it has a lot of bugs and so much of the client has changed.
>>337442639
For pristine realms, they just have to disable the lfr button and remove heirlooms.
Legacy servers ain't happening, dude. At least not until wow has only a million subscribers left.
>implementing old wow is hard because of code
>git checkout @{11.years.ago}
ez, just grabbed that off stack overflow
blizz should hire me :o)
>>337442937
>feenix
What's your favorite Nost bug?
>Consecration damage calculation wrong making it ludicrously powerful.
official vanilla servers wouldn't be as fun.
>Cross realm, looking for group, looking for raid, battleground queuing, arena queuing removed
>Forced to do raids in progression order
>Each level requires 10,000% more xp to reach
>Movement and cast speed reduced by 20%
>Enemy spawn rate decreased by 90%
>Quest item drop rate decreased to a maximum of 10%
>Quest rewards, mobs, and vendoring give 95% less gold
>Professions changed so you have to make 1,000s of worthless items to skill up
>Chance to hit reduced by 10%
>Shaman, paladin, priest, moonkin, and hunter damage reduced by 50%
>Hunters get their dead zone and inability to move while shooting back
>Hunters cannot attack without ammo
>Ghost wolf now a 3 second cast cannot be used in doors
>Warlocks get soul shards as physical items they have to farm
>Mages get mage stones
>Blink no longer works on most terrain
>Warriors can no longer charge in combat
>Various paladin abilities no longer cause forbearance
>All self buffs last less than 6 minutes
>Can only buff one person or class at a time
WoW fixed?
>>337442957
I'm not gonna pretend I know enough about this topic, but it seems doubtful to me that it would be an "enormous code undertaking".
>>337442982
But nobody wants just that. To make pristine realms even remotely decent they would have to rework leveling its entirety.
And yeah, I've been saying from the start that Legacy isn't happening.
>>337443092
>holy light only uses 40% SPD
>windfury doesn't scale with AP
>half of warlock shit doesn't even work
>spell delay makes daggers unviable in pvp
>you can permastun packs of mobs with buggy proc chance on pyroclasm
Nost was buggy as shit.
>>337443134
>Forced to do raids in progression order
Enjoy not being to progress for shit if you don't do it in a single progress wave with majority of players. Also forget about raising twinks too.
>>337443160
>I'm not gonna pretend I know enough about this topic, but it seems doubtful to me that it would be an "enormous code undertaking".
Well I'm letting you know - I'm a software developer with a decade of experience and it is an enormous undertaking.
>>337442917
>Private servers are wonky in that you're playing MC/BWL content in a Naxx client, with naxx talents, etc.
What, but that's far from vanilla.
If my memory is still right, "weird specs" like prot/ret paladin, balance/feral druid, enh/ele shaman, etc started being "viable" on that one pre-TBC patch, and it was still spotty, but part of that might have been because people weren't really used to them just yet.
>>337443212
nvrmnd, that was a troll post
>>337443212
Enjoy being a garrisonbaby
>>337443134
There's no need to force progression in vanilla.
There's barely any catchup mechanics and even lower tier raids like molten core contain items useful well into AQ, so new players will always be carried.
>>337442917
>Warlocks, for example, were a pitifully weak class for a long time in vanilla, and it's still common to see people say that warlocks would never get taken to raids, etc.
Warlocks were actually taken for raids even prior to buffs, mostly due to: healthstones, summoning, CoE and banish. There was a severe lack of warlocks on most servers in early vanilla, so basically every 60 warlock could get to a decent raiding guild.
>>337439789
Yea and because they choose to move in that direction, the had to give the pure dps classes the same buffs/utility as the hyrbid dps classes.
So now everyone does the same dps and brings the same amount of utility with huge overlap between classes, so you don't really contribute anything special. Bring the player not the class !
>>337443241
Sure you are, anon.
Strange how all of these small, amateur dev teams managed to get working servers for every old expansion there was...
>>337443485
It's taken years and they're still buggy.
>>337443253
There are some specs that are viable in theory, but not in practice.
For example, ferals can do kiiiinda ok dps, if they're geared properly.
The problem is, any non-retarded guild is going to give all the decent gear to rogues instead, because they'll do much better than "kinda decent" in that gear.
And there's the issue of some gear not even existing or having way different stats before the itemization patch and dire maul.
In that, private servers are a much different experience to retail vanilla.
And here comes another caveat: should legacy servers go through the whole vanilla patch cycle, bugs, broken classes and all, or just stay on patch 1.12, even though it's different from retail?
>>337443485
After years and they never get most class mechanics or pve stuff working correctly
>>337443538
No, it takes them years scripting raids, dungeons, quests and mechanics like line of sight or pathing. Not getting the fucking client to work with a server.
>>337440509
Arms warrior? What are you smoking? Fury warriors did the most dps in vanilla.
>>337443293
Nah, m8y, as much as I'd like forced progression play it'd kill the game faster than overwatch+hots bombing. If anything, I'd make it a choice of going through content by either doing a raid or fulfilling some kind of long questline, storywise you'd be helping out "heroes" that are going to do the job in a raid
>>337443615
You want the game to be
>sit in garrison
>lfr to raid
>get free epics
I get that you dont want a quest chain or progression to get in the way of that its ok
>>337415415
Main: Undead Rogue.
Alt: Undead Destruction Warlock or Undead Frost/Fire Mage, will see.
>>337443485
That's because private servers are banausic.
They get to the bare minimum of letting you connect to a server on an older patch.
There's no customer support, no battle net integration, no GMs, no infrastructure and no guarantee that any of this will even stay up or that the server uptime will be good. There's crashes, rollbacks, incompetency and plain old bankruptcy. And all of that maintaining ONE server with several thousand people playing.
Now imagine running dozens of servers, on a professional level, not some dude hosting a server on his home server.
>>337443595
Does it matter if it took years to do the scripting or to do the client/server?
It still took years.
Blizzard aren't going to crank out the rusty old client. The renderer is obsolete, and many bugs have been fixed since vanilla. There is probably also a ton of configuration management that they might not have even had in the early days.
Probably also a ton of their tools are built for the newer wow servers and would need to be retrofitted.
You are vastly underestimating exactly how much it would take to do a proper legacy server. Even if they did it, it would need to be continually maintained alongside their other servers. It would be a nightmare for them.
You're kidding yourself if you think you're getting Vanilla servers.
>>337443749
I feel as if I'm being misunderstood here. I loathe the idea of garrisons and afk'ing in the capitals as much as you do, where did you get the notion about me wanting free epics or progression? I'm just saying that forced content playthrough won't work as is so there should be made a workaround solution that still let's player to experience and feel the old content instead of just skipping it to the "actual" one.
>>337443203
>windfury doesn't scale with AP
This is good though, shamans were way OP in pvp otherwise
>>337443581
>And here comes another caveat: should legacy servers go through the whole vanilla patch cycle, bugs, broken classes and all, or just stay on patch 1.12, even though it's different from retail?
This is precisely where I was heading into, it seems like lately most people talking vanilla do so with only private servers or a specific version in mind, so I wonder how people would they react when someone rolls a 2h enh shaman on a "true vanilla" server then proceeds to get instagibbed by a boss after over-aggroing the tank with a triple crit wf proc'd off a triple crit wf proc'd off a triple crit wf.
On the other hand, if they opt on that pre-TBC patch I talked about, it really isn't vanilla at that point, is it?
This whole legacy server thing is such a mess for so many reasons.
>>337417171
>tfw Kungen is shit at video games now
Where did everything go so wrong
>>337444368
>Now
When was he ever good?
>>337444309
At this point, the best case scenario would be nostalrius's death attracting much more people to the whole private server scene, increasing the quality of the emulators so people can just play the old expansions in peace, without overinflated expectations from an official blizzard project, etc.
The only gripe with Vanilla I have is that pallies are fucking useless in the endgame. Compared to their versatility where you can do everything in a 5 man format in the mid levels, being 50+ as paladin is sufferring. Sucks to have pally as your favorite class.
>A very big reminder that Vanilla WoW is going to happen!
hahahahahahaha
kys cruisecuck
>>337444465
Rets were pretty stronk against melee in PvP. They also did decent in Naxxramas too when they could cast Exorcism on the bossses.
The one good thing I can say about Legion is that it gave me a really good refund.
This is the latest response from Customer Support:
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>>337438930
whoreslaughing.jpg
You clearly never played vanilla
http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Tirsdag
And all of the retailfags crying 'You lost everything!' - No, we never lost anything.
We enjoy playing the game.
We enjoy leveling, and working for new gear.
I'm already 47 on Kronos, so its no biggie.
And when Blizzard announces their new legacy servers... Its going to be fun to /who and compare ;)
>>337444570
Yeah, I know that, but that's pretty niche for a whole class. Being a pally tank meant farming for mana items 24/7 AND having friends/connections who'd take you with them, rets were only required in the amount of 1 per raid for that one axe and holy was the only semi-viable option outside of niche encounters.
So much for alliance signature class, shamans are friggin beasts compared to them.
>>337444465
Pallies are the best healers though. Both PvP and PvE.
And dungeons. Dungeons in vanilla are harder than the first two raid tiers, having a pally is a godsend.
>>337444669
>:)
>:/
>:)
>:)
>:)
>:)
>:)
><(^_^<) ^(^_^)^ (>^_^)> ^(^_^)^ *Pyllgarr Dances Away!*
>vanilla had cookie cutter talents
I don't get this meme.
Warlocks alone had like 5 PvP builds and 3 PvE builds to choose from.
>>337444796
Yeah, versatile classes shine best in the low-man format. The more people there are in a party/raid the less useful hybrid classes are.
>best healers
Maybe, never played holy in vanilla/BC, if I wanted to play a healing role I'd make a druid or priest. What made them so good though?
>>337420081
>Feral Druid in WotLK wasn't difficult
avoiding hazards and managing 3 resources simultaneously
You clearly didn't play a feral druid in WotLK.
>>337444428
tank in best guild in vanilla. Free riding as main tank is kinda hard.
OH BOY I SURE LOVE VANILL-
>[Deep Ocean, Vast Sea]
>THAT FUCKING CUNT ELITE IN DUSKWOOD
>ALL OF STV
>Trying to get a group of 40 together
>>337444943
Best hps I guess, and the buffs are amazing in raid environment.
Windfury ain't shit when you can give all the caster DPS in your raid threat reduction.
>>337445030
>be warlock
>cast unending breath on self
>send pet to aggro murlocs
>loot quest item, leave
:^)
>>337445030
> This quest was marked obsolete by Blizzard and cannot be obtained or completed.
More like "This quest was marked an absolute pain in the ass, engrainined into people's mins and triggering them whenever they hear a murloc."
>>337444463
>attracting much more people to the whole private server scene
I also hope this brings more variety, that would actually entice me to actually try one.
Something funny that I noticed, most WoW private servers I've known about set their goal on 1:1 vanilla/tbc/whatever experience, even though most of them end up being buggy as hell and not delivering it 100%.
I recall back in the day when UO private servers started to pop, everyone did "their thing" since they knew they couldn't replicate all mechanics as well because of the "early server technology" so to speak, but shit still was a fucking blast. Even years later down the road when every server could actually implement an exact 1:1 replica of any version they wanted, every one of them managed to keep their own flavor one way or another.
>>337445030
>[Deep Ocean, Vast Sea]
No, pls.
However being a BC-draenei-babby [Ending Their World] was the one I'll remember until I die.
>>337444943
Not him and didn't play Nost but as far as I remember the crit gear from Naxx made Pallies scale through the roof.
>>337445134
Well yeah you were a Warlock, being a Warlock was bad enough so Blizzard couldn't also torture you with insane quests like that.
>>337445228
Naxx was essentially the end of Vanilla, and getting yourself a DPS spot as pally in Naxx was hard enough with people thinking pallies being bad overall.
>>337444949
feral is a glorified easy mode rogue
and was one back in wotlk too
t. dick-ass thief
>>337445152
Yeah, I really hate how most servers are "must be 10000% true to retail, no fun allowed" mode.
They even deliberately implement bugs to match retail better.
Why can't you take some creative liberties, you know?
>>337444982
>Free riding as main tank is kinda hard.
You should try tanking, it's actually the easiest of the roles.
>>337445338
>It's easier than being a dedicated Flash Heal bot
>>337445302
>They even deliberately implement bugs to match retail better.
>>337445294
Oh I'm talking about Healing not DPS. Think it was this Talent that made Holy pallys crazy with the naxx gear.
>>337445414
I actually think so
The only time tanking is hard is at the pull, if you fuck up people die but if you can catch and bind the mobs to you it's on autopilot
>>337445295
>rogue player
>"my class is the hardest to play!! i'm a skilled gaymer!"
I never played a Feral but I always kept an eye on what their rotation/priority was like because everyone considered it the most difficult DPS spec to play. Ferals were just as hard to play as Rogues, if not harder.
>>337445467
It used to be 100% chance to get spell 100% cost back on crit, right?
>>337445414
Spamming sunder armor is easier, yes.
>>337445534
The fuck is that? A giant skeleton under the water? That's the leaked Legion screenshot right?
Why do rogues have this myth of "ultimate skill class" surrounding them when they're actually easy as shit?
Literally the easiest pvp class, has all the advantages.
And how did this myth sustain when blizzard proceeded to cater to rogues and give them all the advantages forever?
>>337445525
rogue is not the hardest class to play, probably some caster
I'm talking about pvp not pve
pve ferals were ass to play and the rotation for keeping bleeds up was terribly designed and made several people reroll
pvp ferals were a damage machine that killed you 20 seconds after the last time you were in melee range and had heals
>>337445602
With 5/5 rank,yes.
>>337445656
It's actually in Dragonblight.
>>337445689
>probably some caster
haha, fucking wizardfags actually believe this
I just want to raid as a Ret paladin.
Even if Vanilla servers were to reemerge, there's almost no chance other people will let me.
>>337445667
Because warriors, hunters, mages, warlocks, paladins, and priests can nullify you entirely so you need to pick your attacks and targets very carefully and if you fuck up once in your stun rotation you're fucked
>>337445295
Feral was harder than rogue in wotlk.
t. rogue who was in WoL rogue leaderboards in ICC
The most difficult PvE dps spec I've played was sub rogue in cata. You had 3 finishing moves whose durations you had to keep track of and properly manage (recup, snd, rupture), and one more finishing move as filler. You had 3 long CD skills (shadowdance, vanish, prep) that you'd possibly combine with your short CD skills (shadowstep, premed) in order to keep the maximum possible uptime on find weakness. You also needed to hemo every now and then to keep that up.
Part of your combo point generation was based on HaT, forcing you to keep track of its ICD to prevent wasted CPs. This, combined with debuffs/buffs/CDs, made it important for you to pool energy at the right times for maximum dps. If you were trading tricks with another rogue, or had other sources of short term buffs, keeping track of everything became even harder.
>>337445667
Rogues and mages are similar in that they're bullshit easy to play but have an incredibly high skillcap. As a rogue you can wreck noob casters and as a mage you can wreck noob melees without even knowing how to play, but both these classes have a huge potential, and if you reach it, you'll be able to destroy multiple people with gear far outmatching yours.
But then again, most people boasting about how hard rogues are to play are probably fucking shitters themselves trying to justify their losses when coming against any decent player. Roguecraft made fun of this back in 2006
>>337445846
but I'm a rogue player
I imagine casters would be relatively hard since melee demolishes them so easy these days
blizzard has made being melee almost too easy at this point
>>337445903
Become social and people will take you despite you being ret.
it is going to be the best thing ever
>>337417860
Orc affliction lock with my little imp mana battery
>>337446015
Ranged are way easier to play in both PvE and PvP. They're almost always way better and more viable too.
The reason you liked classic wow was because it was new to you, and the community was interesting
That's why people say the expansion they joined in / started playing end game in was the best.
>>337446212
>hunter's dead zone
>>337446338
Well they can't be kited like melee and they can't be kicked like casters. Look at Hunters in Cata/MoP/WoD after they removed the deadzone. Most braindead easy horseshit class in the game.
Every class needs its achilles heel
>>337445338
>easier than damage dealer
dude I raided as mage in vanilla, there's nothing to it at all
>>337416008
so sad that it was fucking broken on nost
>>337446272
No it's not you fucking dimwit. I joined in WoTLK and has been playing vanilla on private servers since quitting MoP in 2013. And playing vanilla was the best time I ever had in WoW, it is simply a better game than the retail game. It's not all about """m-muh nostalgia!!!""""
>>337446428
I honestly think healing must've been the hardest, always being on your toes to save people from their dumb mistakes.
>>337446414
>Every class needs its achilles heel
That's a nice way of spelling "I hate fun"
>>337446428
mages are expected to dispel or interrupt sometimes
what the tanks do other than mash dps spells and walk around sometimes?
nothing.
>>337446601
>i need my class to be super perfect! fuck having weaknesses!
wodbabby spotted
>>337446639
>having a way of neuting a whole class by doing something specific is good
>>337446601
I find being able to punish retard Hunters and not have them bunny hop around doing infinite damage with two buttons fun.
>>337446634
they're expected to keep aggro on themselves in packs, including bosses with adds coming in
especially considering how retarded dps used to be with spamming shit on just spawned enemies or not letting tanks get aggro, it could be pretty hard
there were no actually "hard" roles in vanilla but dps had it so fucking easy
>>337446747
>kicks/silences/roots/snares don't exist
>>337446747
>what is scattershot
>what is FD+trap
>what is pvp trinket+ concussion shot
>what is engineering
You must've been so fucking garbage in pvp
>>337446764
So you like kicking defenceless on a very basic level people fun?
>>337446817
Disengage didn't exist in classic so hunter cannot do jackshit in vanilla once he gets kited withing deadzone.
Dwarf Hunter Beast Mastery
The OBJECTIVELY best setup
>>337446925
Scatter shot and FD+trap
>>337446925
>hunter
>cries about not being able to do anything
>when he actually has a huge arsenal of tools to deal with every situation
it adds up
Legacy servers are coming, but they're not coming as soon as you might expect. They'll be released after the final expansion pack when blizzard is done with the game.
>>337446890
>hurr durr
>herp derp
Go kill yourself
why does the map look like a charmander about to take a dump
>>337447240
>YOUR ARGUMENTS AREN'T ARGUMENTS!
You can't refute shit. Lel, get rekt, maggot.
>>337447265
i think i just got a boner haha
>>337447265
Because horde niggers love to shit in their designated shitting streets.
>>337447187
>blizzard is done with the game.
>>337415415
It was shit. Only 13 old hipsters think it was good. Raids were boring (Fucking MC just hole in ground with lava, with bosses just bigger models of elementals. It hasn't story. It hasn't things to do solo in endgame (you can farm or farm honor such fun). It hasn't good loot system (paladin drops for horde) Balance in pvp was broken.
It was fixed, not all, usually not best way. But game now playable in every level of skill and had things to do solo exept farm.
>>337448030
You're absolutely right. Thank you for your service.
>>337447187
>blizzard is done with the game
>>337448030
>paladin drops for horde
This didn't happen in raids, except possibly for the BoE parts. I don't remember.
>>337417860
Undead death knight
>>337448604
It happends all the time in vanilla it fixen in aq patch.
>>337448939
I don't recall that being the case, and the patch notes say nothing about it either.
The only thing I remember is that the TBC pre-patch caused shaman items to drop on alliance and paladin items on horde, but that was only a problem for a month.
So
[citation needed]
Post builds. r8
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LhGL0hbZVV0VgxoVo
>>337449917
>Imp [buff spell]
Bitch duty/10
>>337449917
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0x0E0RERtZxxco
>>337442189
>Besides, nobody will ever be able to agree on exactly what features should be included.
No, we %100 agree on the features that HAS to be disabled, and we are neutral on the other features and would accept either way.
Example, lfg should gone, dual spec i am okay either way. flying mount should gone, increased mob spawn i am okay with either way.
>>337450646
what kind of gear would you need to make this good and what dps are we looking at?
>>337449917
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LhhxbAbq0uVVzVM
Probably gonna use this for some warrior pvp
Still not sure wether I want a mace or a sword though
>>337449917
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sZxGk0e0xZVf0trfo
>>337450890
No clue anon.
Corecraft dead yet?
>>337451276
>the "pls gibe reckoning procs" spec
Apply yourself famalam
>>337449917
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#hVf0xMhZxVbdVMht
>>337449917
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#bVg0sZZVMxtcxRt
>>337451687
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#bVg0sZZVGxt0xRt
fixed
>>337449917
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sZxGt0s0xZVbGtrcz
I guess that's how I see a PvP "Ret" build, despite the hybrid point allocation.
>>337418029
No... Just no.
>>337417070
>what is Nihillum
>who is Kungan
nope, you are wrong or delusional
>>337418812
Just live the unhappy life you live and leave us be.
>>337445656
It's one of the few unused ideas/easter eggs they devs bothered put it after vanilla
>>337429034
>Mark Kern attention whoring on Twitter
>the very image you posted shows that Blizz isn't responding to his emails
>proof
They met. It resulted in nothing. Get over it.
>>337454751
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