Suggest one nerf/buff/general balance change that should be made before the game comes out, and rate the suggestion above you.
I'll go first: Zenyatta doesn't need to maintain line of sight to his heal target in order for the healing orb to stay on. Or at the very least, give a longer window for him to lose line of sight before the ball comes back.
>>337401592
Sounds good. I honestly didn't know that happened though, I never played him.
Everyone who doesn't already have a movement ability (leap, fly, etc) can run at will, instead of only being limited to Soldier: 76. Replace his current shift ability with something else to make up for it.
Mei's freeze spray takes about a second and a half longer to immobilize you and/or her icebox thing doesn't heal her
the maps need to be designed better to reduce the amount of time spent walking back to your objective
>>337401592
Tracer and Genji were fucking disgusting with zen orb + symmetra shield (which was also 50 before nerf) before they added the line of sight restriction to zen orbs.
>>337401592
Agreed.
My suggestion is to make Reinhardt's shield either regen slower or have a bit less health.
Remove Bastion.
nerf genji his e is too strong
>Inb4 nerf bastion
Completely remove Bastion.
Yes, he's mainly an idiot stomper, but he's completely unfun to play as or against. The fact he's beatable does nothing against the fact he's boring for the player as him and frustrating for the players against him.
Give Bastion's gun more spread, he shouldn't be able to shoot me from miles away.
Make Mei even more a-MEI-zing
>>337402214
So who would this affect?
>Zarya
>Zenyatta
>...
If you give more Heroes sprint, what would you say 76's new movement skill should be? If you ask me, though, I think that the characters that lack movement skills either don't need them, or don't need a sprint function. Plus, replacing 76's sprint kind of throws off his utility as a general well-rounded assault character. He's fairly fast, fairly tough, does good damage and has a healing beacon for him whoever's backing him up. Meant to get on the point first and cover/aid his team bringing up the rear.
Personally, I think McCree (I know, I know, but hear me out) needs to have the cooldown on his combat roll reduced slightly (I'm thinking to five seconds) OR increase the distance he leaps when he rolls; either would make the movement ability more useful than 'free reload every eight seconds'
>>337403040
nice timing lad
>>337403067
Also nerf widowmaker headshot damage so nobody with 200+ health can be oneshotted, when everyone is moving so slowly its gay to have wallhack sniper
>>337403461
I'm gonna fuck your dad till he loves me.
1 Hero per team
>>337403497
3/10
Literally there will be no point in playing wm anymore
Increase Mei's stasis cooldown or reduce amount of hp regen, or better both
Fix Hanzo's stupid fucking arrow hitbox
>>337403497
Completely remove =\= nerf
>>337402880
The travel time is deliberate to keep you out of the fight longer, making healing and especially several of the Support Ultimates (Resurrect and Teleporter most of all) more critical.
The maps need to be better designed because they're chokepoint clusterfucks on most Payload & Attack/Defend maps and every King of the Hill point is just a series of back and forth Ultimate spam.
>People making "balance" threads like devs are going to pay attention to this shit hole
LOL
This is the funniest shit I've seen all day.
>We hate reddit but we're totally not trying to be like them xD
The trumblr tank lady needs to have her shields last longer.
>never any fucking charge
>>337403497
Get fucked, if someone manages to land the headshot on you then they deserve the kill.
>>337403697
Just give the ability a shield that when broken cancels the whole skill.
>>337403731
This This This.
Get rid of bastions heal replace with a dash or a small push back w no damage like lucios secondary
>>337403879
learn to time that shit retard, I played Svetlana alot and its super easy to charge that shit
>>337403821
u r a dum
Make the payload not being able to have buildables on.
2 basitons and a Reinheardt on top of it is complete bullshit.
>WAAAAAH HANZO IS OP
>MUH HITBOX
Kekking it up, senpaitachi. Keep it going.
>>337403901
I played wm alot and getting headshots as one is easy as all fuck, overall she just feels out of place in this kind of game
>>337404132
I guess people does not know how it feels to deal with huntsman snipers.
>>337403879
Tumblr tank lady's shields need to be unbreakable.
>>337404123
>Make the payload not being able to have buildables on.
Holy shit are you the same faggot who keeps saying this in all OW threads?
Kill yourself scrub.
>>337404250
What the fuck are you smocking? This is the first time ever I participate in a balance thread.
You seriously need to go out if you think people with the same opinion are the same person.
>>337401592
I think the game is fine to be honest, the one thing I would suggest is giving Torbjörns' turrets kind of an reaction time, not very long, but these things shouldn't lock on to you the moment you're in line of sight. It's a little frustrating to see you get killed by this thing when its barrels are clearly aiming in another direction completely.
>>337404353
Well his point still stands. You are a scrub.
>>337404132
>MUH HUNTSMAN
I mean none of the heroes in this game require skill but Hanzo literally has a handicap because 99% of people would be useless with him if he didn't.
>>337403764
That's how blizzard likes to do things, just look at Hearthstone.
>>337401592
Buff D.Va's chain gun. It's like shooting Styrofoam bullets at the enemy.
is this game fun? i want to buy it but im on the edge as to weather its a decent fps or just a flavour of the month game.
>>337404514
>What are shockwaves
>>337404157
congrats, you got gud. In a game where many classes have abilities capable of one-shotting then wm isn't that bad.
There are too many people that play wm and stop because they can't hit shit and then on the other hand you get shitters that die once to her, then keep dying while they try to get revenge, and then cry for a nerf.
I've still yet to see a wm get play of the game and I rarely see them among the top players. If anything needs to be changed there then the cooldown on her hook needs reduced.
>>337404486
So does mine, idiot needs to leave the computer if he has seen the response so much to the point he thinks it's the same person.
>>337404562
Yes its fun. FFS it had an open beta for almost a fucking week. How can you be so stupid?
>>337404612
>shockwaves
i'm getting flashbacks to my SL 1 DaS2 playthroughWHY DID THEY TIE I FRAMES FROM ROLLING TO A STAT?
>>337404396
10/10. Just an additional split second for the turret to target you.
>>337404562
Where do retards like you keep popping up from?
There was a week long open beta where you were able to try the game and form your own opinion.
>>337404670
Shut up scrub. Learn to git gud.
>WAHHHHHH WHY CAN YOU BUILD STUFF ON THE PAYLOAD WAHHHHHH
lmao
Remove all sniper heroes. Like in every online game, they completely ruin the flow.
>>337404514
How about you try that on an actual character
Reduce the time it takes to freeze people with more than 200 health.
Remove tracer from the game
>>337404863
Is this porn?
>>337404643
me and my brother played Overwatch together, and after the first few times I got fucked by Widowmaker I bitched at him about it and he switched to Widowmaker specifically to counter-snipe.
Started winning literally every game after that.
>>337404545
>>337404882
>>337404885
Any one of these please
>>337404798
Greentexting with caps lock to prove a point? How mad can you possibly get?
Judging by your comment you probably play Reaper.
>>337405001
it's one of the official animated shorts, Alive.
>>337405023
Just go Winston. No aim needed
>>337404825
Nah, it adds to the dynamic of the game. The only bad part of sniper heroes is retards who will pick them and only play them no matter what. On offense? Widowmaker time!
We have two widowmakers and no healer? A third widowmaker is the ideal solution
What's that, no offense heroes? Hanzo's an offense hero, right?
Without squishy damage dealers, the role of people that can easily flank and kill said damage dealers is diminished
>>337405001
Nope, from this cinematic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwzFkjm1Kk
>>337404882
this is good
>>337404885
play roadhog and dont miss your hook
>>337405105
Why are you talking as if the dev is browsing this same thread and he is going to agree with your shitty balance suggestion?
>>337404798
You sound like a bitch.
This'll be unpopular, but I want the ultimate meter to reset on death, unless it's full but unused. You'd have to increase the speed at which it builds across the board, more so for some heroes than others, but I want the ultimate to be rarer, a boost for people already doing well rather than something that just happens eventually
>>337405247
that's just a recipe for snowballing
>>337405247
There needs to be some deterent for switching heroes to fast
>>337404798
What an obnoxious little cunt you are.
>>337405247
Teams that are already behind stay even more behind, increasing how much the game snowballs ten fold.
Now, if the ult doesn't charge while you're dead (unless you do post-mortem damage), that's a reasonable change.
>>337405212
Why are you talking as if any of us give a fuck if you want to be a boring piece of shit?
>>337405230
>>337405107
>>337405408
Stay fuckiing mad. Kek.
give mercy's ult like a .5 second window to be interrupted.
>>337401592
Genji should be able to jump in the air again after wall jump
>>337405156
My problem with sniper classes in games are the people that just sit at the back and do fuck all. I loved playing widowmaker and keeping up with the team while supporting them by picking out healers and flanking shieldbros.
Basically I don't feel like a useless cunt as a sniper in this game.
>>337405458
Are all d.Va players cunts or you're a unique special condition?
>>337405478
10/10 I am >>337405542
>>337405630
I think he's just retarded.
Here's a list of auto-aims in Overwatch.
Soldier 76 ultimate
Mccree ultimate
Reaper ultimate
Winston primary gun
Symmetra primary gun & turrets
Torbjorn turret
Roadhog chain (aim assist)
Here's a list of attacks which aren't auto-aim but you essentially cannot miss with them no matter how bad you are.
Bastion turret gun
Reaper primary guns
Tracer primary guns
Reinhardt primary melee
Zenyatta orb of discord
Winston ultimate
Pharah ultimate
Roadhog primary
Roadhog ultimate
Zarya ultimate
Tracer ultimate
Mei primary
Mei ultimate
Genji ultimate
D.Va primary
D.Va ultimate
Additionally, almost every character has a skill that negates all positional mistakes. For example: caught on the ground as the rocketess Pharah? No problem, just press this easy button and you're instantly in the sky, where you're most effective.
Ran yourself into a bad spot as the fragile Tracer? No problem, just press this button and you're instantly back where you were before.
Got caught in the open as the close-range Reaper? Just press your invulnerability button and float over to a healthkit. You get this and many other movement tools completely free, there's nothing you give up for them, like sacrificing health with a rocket-jump.
The tools Overwatch gives you to solve problems are contained in a single button rather than a complex and difficult set of movements and/or offensive measures. The entire game revolves around identifying the correct rock-paper-scissors situation to press your button, then pressing it. There is no serious skill of any kind involved. You're going through the motions of what you think a video game entails.
The miniscule difference between a week-old Overwatch player and a year-old Overwatch player is lost in the cloud of instakill ultimates, teleports and AOE abilities. This game is transcendentally shit and there is no escape from it. This is the very profitable future of FPS. Hell. Population: you.
REMINDER TO PASTE THIS INTO EVERY OVERWATCH SHILL THREAD
>>337405708
Agreed. It's a shame the likes of him is going to make d.Va players look bad.
Pharah's Ult now destroys projectiles that are fired into the missile spread.
Makes it so that she's less of a sitting fucking duck and people have to be smarter about shooting her down.
>>337405753
>Genji ult
Nigga you have to be point fucking blank,
>>337405753
Widowmaker is a direct Sniper ripoff; Tracer is more Ekko from LoL than Scout
replace Hanzo's Huntsman
>>337405830
>>337405708
>>337405630
>They are still going
Lmao how mad can these guys be?
Decrease the number of shurikens Genji can throw before he needs to reload. He can reliably get multiple kills before needing to reload or use his dash attack.
buff d.va's damage/fire rate or remove the movement slowdown
reduce the damage done by headshots across the board
reduce bastions damage slightly
add additional flanking routes to some maps
>>337405753
> A cold healer
> Mercy
> cold
>Mysterious, Masked
>Has a skin with his face exposed
Fix your dam shit
>>337405898
>>337405918
>taking the bait
>>337405247
This should be in a hardcore mode of sorts
Nerf widowmaker charge time or time between shots.
Buff D.va mech weapon giving it more damage or discarding the movement speed penalty while firing. Alternatively, give the robot monk more hp.
>>337401592
Make Pharah's rocket jump higher and take less damage.
>>337406038
I mean the image is bait but he's right for the wrong reasons.
>>337406076
>Nerf widowmaker charge time or time between shots.
So you have more than enough time to run away after taking a hit? This is dumb.
>>337401592
Fix the POTG algorithm. Video related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGZOwhwp9Os
>>337405156
Wait black and red aren't those Omnic colors?
Widow is with the omnics?
>>337405753
theres counterplay for all of that shit (assuming you're not absolutely fucking trash at games), apart from the things that are just plain untrue
here's your (You)
>no suggestions about Junkrat
Perfection, m8s.
>>337406207
Holy shit I have not heard avenged sevenfold since, like 2005.
That was one of the first songs I learned on guitar
>>337401592
i knows its a bastion nerf but what about not letting his turret form get headshots
>>337401592
Bastion's turret form is now his ultimate. His current ultimate is now a 16 second cooldown ability that is mainly used for increasing his movement speed and shelling targets from range, but has its damage reduced.
>>337406186
There's a reason people run widowmaker on both attack and defense in all of the tourneys.
Mei: shave some range off her ice beam
She's currently a jack of all trades and above average at them all. Her sniping power and utility are both fine, but she needs something taken away from her close range combat to make up for it. Namely, making her "close range" combat actually "close range." There's no reason she should get basically a 100% guaranteed freeze + kill if she gets within 20 feet of you.
>>337406271
There's nothing to complain about with him.
>>337405753
As much fun as I had in the beta, this is pretty much true. It's as if they designed most characters to have an escape ability so you're punished as little as possible for each mistake.
Also, the more I played the more it seemed that any traditional FPS skills are consistently trumped by well-timed/placed use of abilities. At times it just seems like a first-person MOBA
D.Va's gun damage is fine, you're supposed to get up close.
She SHOULD be allowed to shoot with her shield up however, or reduce her movement penalty while firing.
>>337406431
Good change, her ice cannon should be shorter range.
Increase D.Va's effective firing range, movement speed when firing, and shrink her critical zone.
>>337406240
She's an assassin working with Talon, whom despise The Overwatch. The Talon, being a terrorist organization, most likely plotted the assassination of Tekhartha Mondatta as he was an Omnic seeking to sooth the tension between humans and omnics following the omnic crisis
>>337405940
That's a fucked up arm after she pull the gun out
>>337404514
Damn, that skill.
>>337406730
Her arm doesn't have bones in it when shes pull it out. It looks like it is made out of rubber
>>337404562
>goes on /v/
>somehow didn't notice overwatch just had a ~week of open beta
>>337403651
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yI3MUb0OpA
GIVE BAMF MAN 250HP
HIS ULT IS SHIT
SHIIIIIIIIIIITAnd remove his flashbang to compensate. Maybe make a it a smoke grenade that impedes LoS or at least not stun
>>337406240
>Literally kills the head of omnics.
wow urz widowmaker the head of omnics?
Bastions ult should be able to be cancelled by things like roadhogs hook, reinhardts ult, and other ult cancellers
>>337406432
>spams grenades everywhere
>does massive damage with just splash damage
>no punishment because free escape
>if killed drops martydom
>gets free triple kill after spamming grenades
>>337406632
The movement penalty should be removed instead. Doesn't make a difference though, since she's a pretty big target anyways. I just want her damage to be slightly buffed or make her have a secondary weapon like soldier 76 does.
>>337405963
He can shoot 8 times.
How is it any worse than Pharah or Reaper or Mcree who can easily rack up as many kills before reloading? Tracer is the only offense hero that won't get more than one kill without reloading.
>>337407173
>since she's a pretty big target anyways
for you
>>337406894
Is that a Custom Robo skin?
>>337407127
>getting close to junkrats dead body
I normally play genji I double jump out of there
>Grenade spam
Fucking easily avoided and is only dangrous if the person knows how to arc.
>free escape
I can forward slash him out of the air as Genji
>>337405753
too bad there's no skill to fix your retardation
>>337407279
It's a "This is a generic mecha from literally any mecha anime made between 1988 and 2016" skin.
>>337401592
Dva no longer slowed while firing
>>337401592
Bastion shouldnt shoot instantly in turret mode
Similar to tf2 heavy weapon
>>337401592
Cool down on meis hibernate is doubled
>>337406686
>THE Talon
>THE Overwatch
It's just "Talon" and "Overwatch"
I hate tracer but I can respect her as a hero because you must not be an absolute retard in order to play well with her.
But Mei. Fucking Mei.
Who the fuck thought that freeze was a good game mechanic for an fps?
>>337405156
>forcing players to constantly avoid every possible long range angle in order to not get gibbed from across the map by somebody utterly uninvolved in the actual team fight
>adding to the dynamic of the game
yeah no
>>337407615
This
Also remove Mei
>>337407769
Agreed. A good tracer can be such a fucking nuisance but shitters are laughably easy to shrug off.
Also, fuck Mei.
>>337401592
Junkrat gets damaged by his own detonation bomb
>>337405156
What's wrong with widowmaker on offense
>>337407830
It makes characters like winston, tracer, pharah, junkrat, mccree (kinda), genji, d.va, etc just a bit more useful, since they can dick snipers fairly easily.
>>337407983
it's not terrible, but the stereotype tends to be that the useless wm is even more useless on offense
>>337406270
>bad gameplay mechanics aren't bad if you can counter them
way to miss his point, you stupid fucking retard
>Be Roadhog
>hook Me I
>headshot+punch
>she doesn't die
>mashing the key for her heal
>she heals almost fully
>I now must flee as she can't be beaten 1v1
REMOVE MEI
>>337407830
You contradict yourself in that post. If the sniper is preventing you from being where you want to be then they are helping their team. I could understand your point in a larger scale game like Battlefield or something, but here the maps are designed in such a way that the snipers can't be too far away from where the main battles are.
>>337408253
never hook a mei
she is the hardest counter to roadhog there is as roadhog has absolutely 0 mobility options and 0 range so if you can't kill her before she freezes you it's all up to your team to get her
>>337401592
McCree's gun goes from 70 to 100 damage per shot, but he reloads bullets individually instead of with a speedloader, so it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds instead of half a second reload his gun when he's out.
>>337408096
This is one of the most retarded arguments I have ever come across. Also all of the characters that you mentioned do not even counter widowmaker. No one counters a good widowmaker except a better widowmaker.
>>337408485
She can't be taken out 1v1 anyway due to her heap. Only way to kill her is to get thejump on her
>>337403651
This one is the best in the thread so far. I'm with you on this one
>>337403651
I hope there is a ranked mode with this
>>337408570
Rating for
>>337407932
Only if it traded for a higher damage hitting the enemy and only minor damage for junkrat.
>>337408650
just focus on someone else/stand still for a couple of seconds and wait for her to pop out
just don't hug right next to the thing or she'll freeze your ass, get a good distance away and be a character that isn't roadhog
>>337404545
She needs a right click and a movement ability when out of her mech, right now she's damned to spamming shots from behind cover and it's boring considering how hard it is to kill people with your ult after level 30. They do that and hopefully we'll see her in pro matches and she'll be viable in competitive. People are only playing her because of the character, otherwise she's a weaker Winston rn.
Also TIL when your mech is destroyed you exit it whichever side you hold your movement key. Holding A or D let you hop out of the side and confuse enemies.
>>337408485
>>337408485
>be reaper
>REPOSITIONING on a building above a Me
I
>start unloading shotgun blasts into her back
>she mashes ice heal
>heals up
>I must turn into a spooky ghost and fly off now
>we should add a pyro because diversity
>oh but we already stole so many of our designs
>I know! We will try to innovate and make a quirky spin off pyro!
>Yes! Our own tumbrina freezes enemies! Tottaly not a pyro now! What do you mean she counters literally all of the close range characters? She is more balanced than gaben's lunch.
>my vagina is flapping in the wind
>>337404798
Not that guy, but I do agree that this would be a positive change if they did it. Buildables are meant to be immobile
>>337408914
Me I can't be taken out 1v1 period. Not being Roadhog won't help
Also she's a better tank than Roadhog or Dva
>>337405940
Damn Koreans. Plastic surgery has gone too far!
>>337409114
Go away /pol/
>>337404514
They need to nerf the shit out of that, the projectile's hitbox is way too big.
Sometimes it feels like threading a needle with Widowmaker, which is fine imo since it's hitscan and shit.
>>337409167
she easily can if you have a character with an sort of range/accuracy, or an easy escape
pharah for one I image would shit all over mei in a 1v1 situation
>>337406940
>Smoke grenade
I kind of like that, actually, particularly if it could somehow obscure anyone inside it from coming up on Widowmaker's infrared.
What should his ult be instead? Maybe a kind of gunslinger 'in-the-zone' moment where he moves slower, but fires and reloads way faster without accuracy penalty. Lasts a short duration, but can be prolonged by a small amount of seconds for every elimination you get.
>>337409124
Yeah except on pay fucking load. You want to know why they made the payload FLAT? To build shit on there.
Jesus christ you fucking scrub.
>>337408998
its pretty fucking stupid that they made the pistol you have when you're out of your mech more powerful than the mech guns
>>337408391
>If the sniper is preventing you from being where you want to be then they are helping their team
the same can be achieved by every other crowd control ability used by the remaining class roosters
best example for the toxicity of snipers to engaging gameplay is Route66
should you ever come across a round where people are not forced to constantly dodge an enemy/your own widowmaker you will see how smooth the gameplay becomes
you're suddenly not avoiding half of the map out of fear of getting instagibbed
you're not retreating at half health because a lazy bodyshot from a sniperfaggot will put you back into respawn queue
with a pharah on each team you can actually have sustained air rocket duels without either one of you getting sniped out of it from the sideline
snipers damage gameplay
the fact that a team gets a profit out of this changes nothing
>>337409027
Why not just shoot her and then shift before you're frozen and then shoot her again dumbass? 2-3 shotgun blasts can kill her easily.
>>337401592
BASTION
>>337409124
>Buildables are meant to be immobile
>Payload is flat for building shit
>Some levels have moving platforms
nah dude.
>>337405940
Yo ho ho she took a bite of Gum Gum
>>337403651
It's kind of MOBA faggotry but I can't argue against it making the game better.
Even though there are many disagreements in this thread it seems that everyone agrees that Mei is broken. They should probably redesign that character I guess.
Put a cooldown timer on Genji's double jump.
They should balance Zarya, via the method of, her becoming my wife.
>>337403821
Someone forgot his autism medicine today.
>>337409696
>her
>wife
>>337407390
Aw man I love that mecha. I knew I recognized it from somewhere
>>337409696
>her
>>337409696
>wife
Xe most likely identifies as genderfluid or sth.
Check your privilege cis-scum.
They should give Mei a speed boost when she walks on the ice made by her gun, and give her a skating/sliding animation
>>337401592
Torbjorn's turret has OP reaction time. You cant tracer zip, winston jump, genji dash through its LoS without being perfectly tracked by it and taking damage.
How are you supposed to kill/sneak around a turret with more health than most players and frame perfect aimbotting?
>>337401592
Funny thing about this thread is that many of the shit people suggest ACTUALLY WERE LIKE THAT IN CLOSED BETA.
Zenyatta discord and harmony stayed through LoS and he was broken as fuck. The most popular comp was 2 zenyatta and 2 reaper, the reapers would just shift away when they got low and would be fully healed when they were done.
All time based skills now have the circle timer on screen, ala Mei's self freeze and D.Va's dash.
>>337408570
This would be great, particularly if McCree was given (or just plain able to use) multiple pistols. He's got two on him, right?
They load round by round, but McCree can switch between them fairly quickly, with two, *maybe* three pistols on-hand. His meta is maintained as a burst damage fighter who falls short in longer engagements.
>>337409882
I was hoping for sliding physics when I first picked her and was super bummed out I couldn't make enemies trip or slide into walls
>>337409889
well you know... its a stationary object...
>>337401592
If anything, Zenyatta needs more survivability without being fucking damage+heal cancer, so, instead I suggest making Discord not increase Zen damage and increase Zenyatta life/shield bit.
Symmetra needs a rework, her turrets are fucking shit and are destroyed instantly.
Bastion a new ultimate around utility or defense and some small bullet spread on turret mode.
DVA needs the ability to fire while using defense matrix without interrupting it since her weapons are only good at close and she can't tank that much.
Reaper can cancel his wraith form
When reaper teleports it's instant, but him exiting to the new location is the same speed.
>>337403067
If he's boring to play as, just don't play as him. Simple. That will remove having to play against him too.
pharahs ult should be cancellable at any point during the animation.
>>337409882
Sure let's buff a broken hero even more.
>>337410000
Checked.
Give bastion's turret mode a wind up for his mini-gun
make tracer faster
remove mei's clothes
>>337409603
I think they'd really fix the majority of the problem by making her take a couple extra seconds to freeze you.
She effectively deals like 600 DPS, because it only takes a second to freeze and you're just dead if you get frozen no matter how high your health is. The second she gets remotely close to you, it just feels so pointless to even fight back.
Reinhardt Firestrike to 125 damage so skilled players can quickly deal with lower health classes, if firestrike is ready
>>337409464
I meant more like "in my opinion, buildables should be immobile". I think that overall it's a good balance
>Torbjorn turret range down from 40 meters to 30 meters
>>337410069
>>337405402
hahahahah you fucking sped.
>>337410140
mei is one of the worst heroes in the game at higher levels of play (if not THE worst)
blizzard will likely leave her alone to rot because lesser skilled players can't deal with her.
>People ignoring the top post and just crying and or shit posting now
Damn it.
>>337408650
she is 1v1able
very 1v1able
you just cant go face to face with her
her weapon is extremely short range, I don't understand how you could play the beta but not work out a strategy.
also: flashbang.
>>337409889
>You cant tracer zip, winston jump, genji dash through its LoS without being perfectly tracked by it and taking damage.
You can't even fly above and behind it as Pharah and expect not to be sniped out of the sky.
Torb is fucking lame anyways. You just set up a turret, go hide and rack up kills.
>>337404514
>Hits the training robot's arm
>Complains that this shouldn't count
????
Mei's Ice Shield has a health and can break, Mei is stunned on break.
>>337410016
Until you put it on an elevator or moving platform.
Also a turret is rarely alone, it is usually defended by the torbjorn and another player. You can't fight them because you will die in 5 seconds from taking constant perfect-aim turret shots.
I don't think it should be nerfed into the ground just make its reaction time a little more forgiving or make its bullets slightly imperfect so a player can weave it just like any other player.
>>337409754
>>337409793
>>337409849
Nice meme.
I hope Blizzard makes a wedding dress skin for Zarya!
>>337410185
Firestrike doesnt need a buff.
It's a piercing attack with a huge hitbox.
The only thing I would change on Reinhardt is making his charge pin hitbox a little bit wider
>>337402880
>>337403820
The problem is like you said, the long walks are supposed to fill in for respawn time, but it's a shit system. Let's compare is to TF2:
Sure in TF2 you have to wait to respawn, but this allows you to have forward spawns so when you revive you are right at the front. This also prevents stalemates at final points by giving the defenders longer spawns, a penalty for being on their last legs and spawning next to the point.
Overwatch tried to be fast and fun by limiting respawn times to the same few seconds, the same amount as the killcam. Unfortunately this means you spawn way too far back from the first point making those fall super quick and spawning too fast on last points, making those way too hard to push into.
>>337403021
This. So sick of seeing him in every play of the game.
>>337410313
Even more reasons to redesign her then.
>>337410225
>complaining about torb turrets in open areas
Speaking of, I want these fuckers to have a ramp up in damage and ramp down in healing.
Make the thing deadly if it's shooting a guy for a good 6 seconds, and make the heals full heal on the first hit and become far weaker after every consecutive hit. would actually compliment his "do it yourself" gameplay if he can't turtle his turret.
>>337410474
Should move ~25% faster. It's his only range and anyone watching can dodge it
>>337405753
>I don't want any mobility or ways to get out of a losing fight
>I'm leaving out the fact that TF2 soldier has a melee weapon that makes it 1000 times easier to get out of a fight than any of pharah's abilites
>I don't understand that pharah is a sitting duck in the air
>I don't get that the auto-aim weapons do shit-all damage, and poo-in-the-loo is a shit character anyway
>I've never played the game so I have never seen the difference between a bad Tracer and a good Tracer
>I want D.Va's ultimate and her guns to be even shittier than they already are
>>337410456
>Also a turret is rarely alone, it is usually defended by the torbjorn and another player.
If not other turrets, especially on Hanamura.
>>337410398
Exactly. There are ways to outplay it obviously but if you dropped a pin it could fucking shoot that thing before it hit the ground. If a strand of widow's hair floats around a corner 40m behind it you bet your ass it will pull a 180 in 0.5 seconds and land a perfect shot as well.
Buff torbjorn in some other way but make his turret less aimbotty.
>>337405349
Is that really bad when the games barely last 10 minutes.
at least it will be over faster if the good team is doing that well.
>>337410562
The current system allows things like Teleporter and speed buffs to be a bigger deal, making for a more diverse cast with with more utility options.
>>337407279
It's Justice from Guilty Gear, he even screams about justice during his ult
Bastion is fine, but they need to make it completely impossible for him to ever get Play of the Game. It's never good.
>>337410069
Why not reverse that?
Wraith Form's your "Oh shit gotta get the hell outta here" ability, Teleport's your "Pssh, nothin personnel kid" offensive ability. One gets you into the fight, one out.
Making his teleport slow-building, but transfer instantly (as in, he does his pose *before* teleporting, and is ready immediately afterwards) could make it more about offensive use.
Though, that may open up a can of worms with
>E
>Left click
>Q
>DIE DIE DIEEE
Outta fuckin' nowhere
>>337403021
Yup.
>inb4 "he's just a casual stomper"
Motherfucker, I want a game that I can play for 15 mins with pubbies. Who gives a shit about high level competitive play in a game that has built in wallhacks and aimbots, this NEEDS to be balanced around casual gameplay, and in casual unorganized games Bastion is retardely OP and not fun to play against at all.
>>337410398
>>337410759
>hurrr durrr nerf him! I mean hes not even a threat or anything... but like still nerff him
Hahaha. Stay mad.
Triple everyone's health.
Symmetra - Slightly increase travel speed of alt-fire. She is actually much better than players give her credit for, but there is no reason for the orb to be THAT fucking slow.
Roadhog - Remove 100 HP. Given how good his heal is I don't see the issue here.
D.Va - Give more speed while firing primary. She shouldn't move at 100%, but she should damn well be able to move faster than the 25% she does now.
Hanzo - Ultimate has damage dropoff with distance travelled. Still great for objective clearing, less useful for nuking people through three walls half of the map away.
Pharah - Make her HP 150 and give 50 armor.
>>337406207
What is the reasoning behind what makes a play of the game? I assumed it was related to that little fire bar below your HP?
>>337411065
"No."
>>337411065
FUCK YOU
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>>337410910
that's why I have it like that. If he teleports poorly people will kill him, but if he teleports and disappears no one will see where hes teleporting to and can use it as a secondary escape but it's more more of a quick positioning tool.
>>337411065
this sounds really funny actually
>>337410904
>It's a Bastion sitting in a corner getting PoTG episode
>>337411206
>everyone takes longer to kill and people just awkwardly dance around each other in every fire fight.
You know those brawl of the weeks they're planing on having, where there are wacky things like supports only or genji/hanzo only?
I want to see one that's Winstons only with unlimited ultimate all the time. They can call it "Going Bananas"
>>337411437
When everyone has a margin for error a mile wide, *nobody* has a margin for error a mile wide.
Question.
If Mei is so broken, why is she not used in the competitive meta?
>>337411031
>master trole 2016
you sure showed them
I hardly played 10 hours in the open beta but I feel like Zenyatta and Symmetra need a buff.
Also Genji's dash, how much damage does it do? It didn't feel like much, I tried to finish enemies at low health with it but always failed
>>337410904
>not wanting to watch bastion rocket jump with his ult and tokyo drift around the point killing everyone.
>>337411514
The same reason that bastion isn't
or how pyro isn't used in comp.
They're shitty characters that are unfun to play against but are weak outside their gimmicks.
>>337411514
If everyone is beholden to the competitive meta why isn't everyone a professional gamer?
Increase widowmakers charge to 3 seconds like in tf2. She should be punished for missing a shot when she does 300 damage headhosts and 150 bodyshots fully charged. Instead she can just never stop shooting with her under 1 second charge time.
>>337411514
because her freeze probably takes way too long to initiate, and she's too slow to get to a point if she dies.
i'm assuming all of this, honestly.i think it's just because she's a fat piece of shit who should just be used for lewd things and that's it
>>337411514
Literally only because good McCrees shit on her, and most comps so far run two McCrees.
>>337411528
You don't understand genjis dash then.
It's an escape and it's a finisher, it does 50 damage and resets on ANY elimination that you were involved with.
>Added an L2 to D.Va's moveset
>Inside of her mech: Fire Homing Rockets
>They travel slightly slower than Pharah's primary fire and can be disjointed
>Outside of her mech: Wrist Rocket
>Same thing, but only fires one of them
>>337411514
most complaints about character balance come from new players to over watch, or generally shit fps players.
this is even addressed by blizzard who noticed this during their statistic farming of the closed/open beta.
the worst players typically complain about:
1. bastion
2. tracer
3. attack defend maps being stacked for defence.
mei is extremely shit against any proficient team as she relies entirely on taking and winning a 1v1.
a 1v1 does not occur with a semi-skilled team, especially if they know a mei is roaming.
>>337411528
Not sure how much it does but the wiki shows it probably. If I had to guess I would say 75 damage, it kills most characters at around 25% health which is when i use it for the sweet resets.
>>337411514
Because she is so broken.
She is a goddess and absolute trash at the same time.
There is no reason for her to exist.
>>337411104
>nerfing pincushion roadhog
Looks like someone has been chained too much
>>337411728
Doesn't it only reset if you kill with the dash?
>>337411238
Truthfully, Blizzard just needs to add some weights in against things that are unlikely to be interesting plays of the game. A player killed 4 other people and that adds up to enough points to be play of the game? Check if it's a character with a team-wiping ultimate and if they activated that ultimate in the seconds proceeding the play. If so, disqualify it. Same thing for Bastion, just check if he was in turret mode when he racked up his points to put him in PotG position. If so, chuck it and go to the next highest play.
The most interesting and fun plays are the great plays made without just pressing Q or holding LMB as Bastion, but we're stuck with watching the same shit at the end of every match because it's strictly point based.
>>337411104
>Hanzo - Ultimate has damage dropoff with distance travelled. Still great for objective clearing, less useful for nuking people through three walls half of the map away.
>nerfing hanzo
>nerfing his ult
>I'M SHOOTING MY ULT AT THE POINT HAAAAAA!
it's a really bad ultimate.
Make Symmetra's turret damage fall off if there are more than 6 active Sym turrets on a team. 5 Sym's cheesing a literal 30 turret web of death defending on Temple of Anubis is virtually impossible to deal with.
>>337411897
No ANY elimination that happens before the cooldown resets.
>>337411976
I think you misread the point - it should still do a shitload of damage at the start, just not 10 seconds and 100 yards later.
>>337412042
>take pharah
>shoot in the general direction of the turrets
>they all get destroyed in a 2 mile radius
>>337412101
You're nerfing the worst ult in the game though.
It's like nerfing bastion
>Crying about Bastion
"Git gud" truly is timeless advice.
>>337411104
>Symmetra
Nah. What needs to be done is the player needs to be given the option to hold the charge and release it at their discretion, not automatically. That orb does a fuck ton of damage and I've gotten some kills off of it but holy hell let me do it when I wanna do it.
>Roadhog
The extra hundred HP is because Roadhog lacks any form of protective skill. He doesn't have armor, a shield, a barrier or anything like that to stop the hail of bullets he's going to be soaking in. The obscenely good health recovery is to mitigate that. Believe it or not he's balanced as he's the only Tank that has something that others don't. He can't protect himself or absorb damage to become stronger. He can't become invulnerable. He has to be on the frontlines and a Roadhog has to hope he has support from teammates in order for him to push.
>D.Va
She has infinite bullets. Well--every character has infinity bullets in this game but D.Va's gimmick is that when she's in her Gundam she doesn't have to reload. The slowed movement as she's shooting is Blizzard's attempt to balance the fact that a player can literally hold M1 forever without needing to worry about ducking behind cover as the reload animation plays.
>Hanzo
I agree about the damage drop off after the ultimate has gone about 10 meters.
>Pharah
You must be joking. She's pretty fine as is though if I had my way I'd give her 225-250 health and see how she handles it.
>>337411897
No. any kill that is a player afaik resets it. But since his shurikens kinda suck, it's just better to finish people off with the dash anyway unless you're ulting.
>>337411825
yes please don't nerf roadhog's hp
who else will we farm ult off.
>>337411825
You can have a shorter heal cooldown in return, but some HP off of the top is fairly warranted.
>>337412042
>virtually impossible to deal with.
>>337411104
>Pharah - Make her HP 150 and give 50 armor.
>make her more squishy
'no'
