Suggest one nerf/buff/general balance change that should be made before the game comes out, and rate the suggestion above you.
I'll go first: Zenyatta doesn't need to maintain line of sight to his heal target in order for the healing orb to stay on. Or at the very least, give a longer window for him to lose line of sight before the ball comes back.
>>337401592
Sounds good. I honestly didn't know that happened though, I never played him.
Everyone who doesn't already have a movement ability (leap, fly, etc) can run at will, instead of only being limited to Soldier: 76. Replace his current shift ability with something else to make up for it.
Mei's freeze spray takes about a second and a half longer to immobilize you and/or her icebox thing doesn't heal her
the maps need to be designed better to reduce the amount of time spent walking back to your objective
>>337401592
Tracer and Genji were fucking disgusting with zen orb + symmetra shield (which was also 50 before nerf) before they added the line of sight restriction to zen orbs.
>>337401592
Agreed.
My suggestion is to make Reinhardt's shield either regen slower or have a bit less health.
Remove Bastion.
nerf genji his e is too strong
>Inb4 nerf bastion
Completely remove Bastion.
Yes, he's mainly an idiot stomper, but he's completely unfun to play as or against. The fact he's beatable does nothing against the fact he's boring for the player as him and frustrating for the players against him.
Give Bastion's gun more spread, he shouldn't be able to shoot me from miles away.
Make Mei even more a-MEI-zing
>>337402214
So who would this affect?
>Zarya
>Zenyatta
>...
If you give more Heroes sprint, what would you say 76's new movement skill should be? If you ask me, though, I think that the characters that lack movement skills either don't need them, or don't need a sprint function. Plus, replacing 76's sprint kind of throws off his utility as a general well-rounded assault character. He's fairly fast, fairly tough, does good damage and has a healing beacon for him whoever's backing him up. Meant to get on the point first and cover/aid his team bringing up the rear.
Personally, I think McCree (I know, I know, but hear me out) needs to have the cooldown on his combat roll reduced slightly (I'm thinking to five seconds) OR increase the distance he leaps when he rolls; either would make the movement ability more useful than 'free reload every eight seconds'
>>337403040
nice timing lad
>>337403067
Also nerf widowmaker headshot damage so nobody with 200+ health can be oneshotted, when everyone is moving so slowly its gay to have wallhack sniper
>>337403461
I'm gonna fuck your dad till he loves me.
1 Hero per team
>>337403497
3/10
Literally there will be no point in playing wm anymore
Increase Mei's stasis cooldown or reduce amount of hp regen, or better both
Fix Hanzo's stupid fucking arrow hitbox
>>337403497
Completely remove =\= nerf
>>337402880
The travel time is deliberate to keep you out of the fight longer, making healing and especially several of the Support Ultimates (Resurrect and Teleporter most of all) more critical.
The maps need to be better designed because they're chokepoint clusterfucks on most Payload & Attack/Defend maps and every King of the Hill point is just a series of back and forth Ultimate spam.
>People making "balance" threads like devs are going to pay attention to this shit hole
LOL
This is the funniest shit I've seen all day.
>We hate reddit but we're totally not trying to be like them xD
The trumblr tank lady needs to have her shields last longer.
>never any fucking charge
>>337403497
Get fucked, if someone manages to land the headshot on you then they deserve the kill.
>>337403697
Just give the ability a shield that when broken cancels the whole skill.
>>337403731
This This This.
Get rid of bastions heal replace with a dash or a small push back w no damage like lucios secondary
>>337403879
learn to time that shit retard, I played Svetlana alot and its super easy to charge that shit
>>337403821
u r a dum
Make the payload not being able to have buildables on.
2 basitons and a Reinheardt on top of it is complete bullshit.
>WAAAAAH HANZO IS OP
>MUH HITBOX
Kekking it up, senpaitachi. Keep it going.
>>337403901
I played wm alot and getting headshots as one is easy as all fuck, overall she just feels out of place in this kind of game
>>337404132
I guess people does not know how it feels to deal with huntsman snipers.
>>337403879
Tumblr tank lady's shields need to be unbreakable.
>>337404123
>Make the payload not being able to have buildables on.
Holy shit are you the same faggot who keeps saying this in all OW threads?
Kill yourself scrub.
>>337404250
What the fuck are you smocking? This is the first time ever I participate in a balance thread.
You seriously need to go out if you think people with the same opinion are the same person.
>>337401592
I think the game is fine to be honest, the one thing I would suggest is giving Torbjörns' turrets kind of an reaction time, not very long, but these things shouldn't lock on to you the moment you're in line of sight. It's a little frustrating to see you get killed by this thing when its barrels are clearly aiming in another direction completely.
>>337404353
Well his point still stands. You are a scrub.
>>337404132
>MUH HUNTSMAN
I mean none of the heroes in this game require skill but Hanzo literally has a handicap because 99% of people would be useless with him if he didn't.
>>337403764
That's how blizzard likes to do things, just look at Hearthstone.
>>337401592
Buff D.Va's chain gun. It's like shooting Styrofoam bullets at the enemy.
is this game fun? i want to buy it but im on the edge as to weather its a decent fps or just a flavour of the month game.
>>337404514
>What are shockwaves
>>337404157
congrats, you got gud. In a game where many classes have abilities capable of one-shotting then wm isn't that bad.
There are too many people that play wm and stop because they can't hit shit and then on the other hand you get shitters that die once to her, then keep dying while they try to get revenge, and then cry for a nerf.
I've still yet to see a wm get play of the game and I rarely see them among the top players. If anything needs to be changed there then the cooldown on her hook needs reduced.
>>337404486
So does mine, idiot needs to leave the computer if he has seen the response so much to the point he thinks it's the same person.
>>337404562
Yes its fun. FFS it had an open beta for almost a fucking week. How can you be so stupid?
>>337404612
>shockwaves
i'm getting flashbacks to my SL 1 DaS2 playthroughWHY DID THEY TIE I FRAMES FROM ROLLING TO A STAT?
>>337404396
10/10. Just an additional split second for the turret to target you.
>>337404562
Where do retards like you keep popping up from?
There was a week long open beta where you were able to try the game and form your own opinion.
>>337404670
Shut up scrub. Learn to git gud.
>WAHHHHHH WHY CAN YOU BUILD STUFF ON THE PAYLOAD WAHHHHHH
lmao
Remove all sniper heroes. Like in every online game, they completely ruin the flow.
>>337404514
How about you try that on an actual character
Reduce the time it takes to freeze people with more than 200 health.
Remove tracer from the game
>>337404863
Is this porn?
>>337404643
me and my brother played Overwatch together, and after the first few times I got fucked by Widowmaker I bitched at him about it and he switched to Widowmaker specifically to counter-snipe.
Started winning literally every game after that.
>>337404545
>>337404882
>>337404885
Any one of these please
>>337404798
Greentexting with caps lock to prove a point? How mad can you possibly get?
Judging by your comment you probably play Reaper.
>>337405001
it's one of the official animated shorts, Alive.
>>337405023
Just go Winston. No aim needed
>>337404825
Nah, it adds to the dynamic of the game. The only bad part of sniper heroes is retards who will pick them and only play them no matter what. On offense? Widowmaker time!
We have two widowmakers and no healer? A third widowmaker is the ideal solution
What's that, no offense heroes? Hanzo's an offense hero, right?
Without squishy damage dealers, the role of people that can easily flank and kill said damage dealers is diminished
>>337405001
Nope, from this cinematic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwzFkjm1Kk
>>337404882
this is good
>>337404885
play roadhog and dont miss your hook
>>337405105
Why are you talking as if the dev is browsing this same thread and he is going to agree with your shitty balance suggestion?
>>337404798
You sound like a bitch.
This'll be unpopular, but I want the ultimate meter to reset on death, unless it's full but unused. You'd have to increase the speed at which it builds across the board, more so for some heroes than others, but I want the ultimate to be rarer, a boost for people already doing well rather than something that just happens eventually
>>337405247
that's just a recipe for snowballing
>>337405247
There needs to be some deterent for switching heroes to fast
>>337404798
What an obnoxious little cunt you are.
>>337405247
Teams that are already behind stay even more behind, increasing how much the game snowballs ten fold.
Now, if the ult doesn't charge while you're dead (unless you do post-mortem damage), that's a reasonable change.
>>337405212
Why are you talking as if any of us give a fuck if you want to be a boring piece of shit?
>>337405230
>>337405107
>>337405408
Stay fuckiing mad. Kek.
give mercy's ult like a .5 second window to be interrupted.
>>337401592
Genji should be able to jump in the air again after wall jump
>>337405156
My problem with sniper classes in games are the people that just sit at the back and do fuck all. I loved playing widowmaker and keeping up with the team while supporting them by picking out healers and flanking shieldbros.
Basically I don't feel like a useless cunt as a sniper in this game.
>>337405458
Are all d.Va players cunts or you're a unique special condition?
>>337405478
10/10 I am >>337405542
>>337405630
I think he's just retarded.
Here's a list of auto-aims in Overwatch.
Soldier 76 ultimate
Mccree ultimate
Reaper ultimate
Winston primary gun
Symmetra primary gun & turrets
Torbjorn turret
Roadhog chain (aim assist)
Here's a list of attacks which aren't auto-aim but you essentially cannot miss with them no matter how bad you are.
Bastion turret gun
Reaper primary guns
Tracer primary guns
Reinhardt primary melee
Zenyatta orb of discord
Winston ultimate
Pharah ultimate
Roadhog primary
Roadhog ultimate
Zarya ultimate
Tracer ultimate
Mei primary
Mei ultimate
Genji ultimate
D.Va primary
D.Va ultimate
Additionally, almost every character has a skill that negates all positional mistakes. For example: caught on the ground as the rocketess Pharah? No problem, just press this easy button and you're instantly in the sky, where you're most effective.
Ran yourself into a bad spot as the fragile Tracer? No problem, just press this button and you're instantly back where you were before.
Got caught in the open as the close-range Reaper? Just press your invulnerability button and float over to a healthkit. You get this and many other movement tools completely free, there's nothing you give up for them, like sacrificing health with a rocket-jump.
The tools Overwatch gives you to solve problems are contained in a single button rather than a complex and difficult set of movements and/or offensive measures. The entire game revolves around identifying the correct rock-paper-scissors situation to press your button, then pressing it. There is no serious skill of any kind involved. You're going through the motions of what you think a video game entails.
The miniscule difference between a week-old Overwatch player and a year-old Overwatch player is lost in the cloud of instakill ultimates, teleports and AOE abilities. This game is transcendentally shit and there is no escape from it. This is the very profitable future of FPS. Hell. Population: you.
REMINDER TO PASTE THIS INTO EVERY OVERWATCH SHILL THREAD
>>337405708
Agreed. It's a shame the likes of him is going to make d.Va players look bad.
Pharah's Ult now destroys projectiles that are fired into the missile spread.
Makes it so that she's less of a sitting fucking duck and people have to be smarter about shooting her down.
>>337405753
>Genji ult
Nigga you have to be point fucking blank,
>>337405753
Widowmaker is a direct Sniper ripoff; Tracer is more Ekko from LoL than Scout
replace Hanzo's Huntsman
>>337405830
>>337405708
>>337405630
>They are still going
Lmao how mad can these guys be?
Decrease the number of shurikens Genji can throw before he needs to reload. He can reliably get multiple kills before needing to reload or use his dash attack.
buff d.va's damage/fire rate or remove the movement slowdown
reduce the damage done by headshots across the board
reduce bastions damage slightly
add additional flanking routes to some maps
>>337405753
> A cold healer
> Mercy
> cold
>Mysterious, Masked
>Has a skin with his face exposed
Fix your dam shit
>>337405898
>>337405918
>taking the bait
>>337405247
This should be in a hardcore mode of sorts
Nerf widowmaker charge time or time between shots.
Buff D.va mech weapon giving it more damage or discarding the movement speed penalty while firing. Alternatively, give the robot monk more hp.
>>337401592
Make Pharah's rocket jump higher and take less damage.
>>337406038
I mean the image is bait but he's right for the wrong reasons.
>>337406076
>Nerf widowmaker charge time or time between shots.
So you have more than enough time to run away after taking a hit? This is dumb.
>>337401592
Fix the POTG algorithm. Video related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGZOwhwp9Os
>>337405156
Wait black and red aren't those Omnic colors?
Widow is with the omnics?
>>337405753
theres counterplay for all of that shit (assuming you're not absolutely fucking trash at games), apart from the things that are just plain untrue
here's your (You)
>no suggestions about Junkrat
Perfection, m8s.
>>337406207
Holy shit I have not heard avenged sevenfold since, like 2005.
That was one of the first songs I learned on guitar
>>337401592
i knows its a bastion nerf but what about not letting his turret form get headshots
>>337401592
Bastion's turret form is now his ultimate. His current ultimate is now a 16 second cooldown ability that is mainly used for increasing his movement speed and shelling targets from range, but has its damage reduced.
>>337406186
There's a reason people run widowmaker on both attack and defense in all of the tourneys.
Mei: shave some range off her ice beam
She's currently a jack of all trades and above average at them all. Her sniping power and utility are both fine, but she needs something taken away from her close range combat to make up for it. Namely, making her "close range" combat actually "close range." There's no reason she should get basically a 100% guaranteed freeze + kill if she gets within 20 feet of you.
>>337406271
There's nothing to complain about with him.
>>337405753
As much fun as I had in the beta, this is pretty much true. It's as if they designed most characters to have an escape ability so you're punished as little as possible for each mistake.
Also, the more I played the more it seemed that any traditional FPS skills are consistently trumped by well-timed/placed use of abilities. At times it just seems like a first-person MOBA
D.Va's gun damage is fine, you're supposed to get up close.
She SHOULD be allowed to shoot with her shield up however, or reduce her movement penalty while firing.
>>337406431
Good change, her ice cannon should be shorter range.
Increase D.Va's effective firing range, movement speed when firing, and shrink her critical zone.
>>337406240
She's an assassin working with Talon, whom despise The Overwatch. The Talon, being a terrorist organization, most likely plotted the assassination of Tekhartha Mondatta as he was an Omnic seeking to sooth the tension between humans and omnics following the omnic crisis
>>337405940
That's a fucked up arm after she pull the gun out
>>337404514
Damn, that skill.
>>337406730
Her arm doesn't have bones in it when shes pull it out. It looks like it is made out of rubber
>>337404562
>goes on /v/
>somehow didn't notice overwatch just had a ~week of open beta
>>337403651
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yI3MUb0OpA
GIVE BAMF MAN 250HP
HIS ULT IS SHIT
SHIIIIIIIIIIITAnd remove his flashbang to compensate. Maybe make a it a smoke grenade that impedes LoS or at least not stun
>>337406240
>Literally kills the head of omnics.
wow urz widowmaker the head of omnics?
Bastions ult should be able to be cancelled by things like roadhogs hook, reinhardts ult, and other ult cancellers
>>337406432
>spams grenades everywhere
>does massive damage with just splash damage
>no punishment because free escape
>if killed drops martydom
>gets free triple kill after spamming grenades
>>337406632
The movement penalty should be removed instead. Doesn't make a difference though, since she's a pretty big target anyways. I just want her damage to be slightly buffed or make her have a secondary weapon like soldier 76 does.
>>337405963
He can shoot 8 times.
How is it any worse than Pharah or Reaper or Mcree who can easily rack up as many kills before reloading? Tracer is the only offense hero that won't get more than one kill without reloading.
>>337407173
>since she's a pretty big target anyways
for you
>>337406894
Is that a Custom Robo skin?
>>337407127
>getting close to junkrats dead body
I normally play genji I double jump out of there
>Grenade spam
Fucking easily avoided and is only dangrous if the person knows how to arc.
>free escape
I can forward slash him out of the air as Genji
>>337405753
too bad there's no skill to fix your retardation
>>337407279
It's a "This is a generic mecha from literally any mecha anime made between 1988 and 2016" skin.
>>337401592
Dva no longer slowed while firing
>>337401592
Bastion shouldnt shoot instantly in turret mode
Similar to tf2 heavy weapon
>>337401592
Cool down on meis hibernate is doubled
>>337406686
>THE Talon
>THE Overwatch
It's just "Talon" and "Overwatch"
I hate tracer but I can respect her as a hero because you must not be an absolute retard in order to play well with her.
But Mei. Fucking Mei.
Who the fuck thought that freeze was a good game mechanic for an fps?
>>337405156
>forcing players to constantly avoid every possible long range angle in order to not get gibbed from across the map by somebody utterly uninvolved in the actual team fight
>adding to the dynamic of the game
yeah no
>>337407615
This
Also remove Mei
>>337407769
Agreed. A good tracer can be such a fucking nuisance but shitters are laughably easy to shrug off.
Also, fuck Mei.
>>337401592
Junkrat gets damaged by his own detonation bomb
>>337405156
What's wrong with widowmaker on offense
>>337407830
It makes characters like winston, tracer, pharah, junkrat, mccree (kinda), genji, d.va, etc just a bit more useful, since they can dick snipers fairly easily.
>>337407983
it's not terrible, but the stereotype tends to be that the useless wm is even more useless on offense
>>337406270
>bad gameplay mechanics aren't bad if you can counter them
way to miss his point, you stupid fucking retard
>Be Roadhog
>hook Me I
>headshot+punch
>she doesn't die
>mashing the key for her heal
>she heals almost fully
>I now must flee as she can't be beaten 1v1
REMOVE MEI
>>337407830
You contradict yourself in that post. If the sniper is preventing you from being where you want to be then they are helping their team. I could understand your point in a larger scale game like Battlefield or something, but here the maps are designed in such a way that the snipers can't be too far away from where the main battles are.
>>337408253
never hook a mei
she is the hardest counter to roadhog there is as roadhog has absolutely 0 mobility options and 0 range so if you can't kill her before she freezes you it's all up to your team to get her
>>337401592
McCree's gun goes from 70 to 100 damage per shot, but he reloads bullets individually instead of with a speedloader, so it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds instead of half a second reload his gun when he's out.
>>337408096
This is one of the most retarded arguments I have ever come across. Also all of the characters that you mentioned do not even counter widowmaker. No one counters a good widowmaker except a better widowmaker.
>>337408485
She can't be taken out 1v1 anyway due to her heap. Only way to kill her is to get thejump on her
>>337403651
This one is the best in the thread so far. I'm with you on this one
>>337403651
I hope there is a ranked mode with this
>>337408570
Rating for
>>337407932
Only if it traded for a higher damage hitting the enemy and only minor damage for junkrat.
>>337408650
just focus on someone else/stand still for a couple of seconds and wait for her to pop out
just don't hug right next to the thing or she'll freeze your ass, get a good distance away and be a character that isn't roadhog
>>337404545
She needs a right click and a movement ability when out of her mech, right now she's damned to spamming shots from behind cover and it's boring considering how hard it is to kill people with your ult after level 30. They do that and hopefully we'll see her in pro matches and she'll be viable in competitive. People are only playing her because of the character, otherwise she's a weaker Winston rn.
Also TIL when your mech is destroyed you exit it whichever side you hold your movement key. Holding A or D let you hop out of the side and confuse enemies.
>>337408485
>>337408485
>be reaper
>REPOSITIONING on a building above a Me
I
>start unloading shotgun blasts into her back
>she mashes ice heal
>heals up
>I must turn into a spooky ghost and fly off now
>we should add a pyro because diversity
>oh but we already stole so many of our designs
>I know! We will try to innovate and make a quirky spin off pyro!
>Yes! Our own tumbrina freezes enemies! Tottaly not a pyro now! What do you mean she counters literally all of the close range characters? She is more balanced than gaben's lunch.
>my vagina is flapping in the wind
>>337404798
Not that guy, but I do agree that this would be a positive change if they did it. Buildables are meant to be immobile
>>337408914
Me I can't be taken out 1v1 period. Not being Roadhog won't help
Also she's a better tank than Roadhog or Dva
>>337405940
Damn Koreans. Plastic surgery has gone too far!
>>337409114
Go away /pol/
>>337404514
They need to nerf the shit out of that, the projectile's hitbox is way too big.
Sometimes it feels like threading a needle with Widowmaker, which is fine imo since it's hitscan and shit.
>>337409167
she easily can if you have a character with an sort of range/accuracy, or an easy escape
pharah for one I image would shit all over mei in a 1v1 situation
>>337406940
>Smoke grenade
I kind of like that, actually, particularly if it could somehow obscure anyone inside it from coming up on Widowmaker's infrared.
What should his ult be instead? Maybe a kind of gunslinger 'in-the-zone' moment where he moves slower, but fires and reloads way faster without accuracy penalty. Lasts a short duration, but can be prolonged by a small amount of seconds for every elimination you get.
>>337409124
Yeah except on pay fucking load. You want to know why they made the payload FLAT? To build shit on there.
Jesus christ you fucking scrub.
>>337408998
its pretty fucking stupid that they made the pistol you have when you're out of your mech more powerful than the mech guns
>>337408391
>If the sniper is preventing you from being where you want to be then they are helping their team
the same can be achieved by every other crowd control ability used by the remaining class roosters
best example for the toxicity of snipers to engaging gameplay is Route66
should you ever come across a round where people are not forced to constantly dodge an enemy/your own widowmaker you will see how smooth the gameplay becomes
you're suddenly not avoiding half of the map out of fear of getting instagibbed
you're not retreating at half health because a lazy bodyshot from a sniperfaggot will put you back into respawn queue
with a pharah on each team you can actually have sustained air rocket duels without either one of you getting sniped out of it from the sideline
snipers damage gameplay
the fact that a team gets a profit out of this changes nothing
>>337409027
Why not just shoot her and then shift before you're frozen and then shoot her again dumbass? 2-3 shotgun blasts can kill her easily.
>>337401592
BASTION
>>337409124
>Buildables are meant to be immobile
>Payload is flat for building shit
>Some levels have moving platforms
nah dude.
>>337405940
Yo ho ho she took a bite of Gum Gum
>>337403651
It's kind of MOBA faggotry but I can't argue against it making the game better.
Even though there are many disagreements in this thread it seems that everyone agrees that Mei is broken. They should probably redesign that character I guess.
Put a cooldown timer on Genji's double jump.
They should balance Zarya, via the method of, her becoming my wife.
>>337403821
Someone forgot his autism medicine today.
>>337409696
>her
>wife
>>337407390
Aw man I love that mecha. I knew I recognized it from somewhere
>>337409696
>her
>>337409696
>wife
Xe most likely identifies as genderfluid or sth.
Check your privilege cis-scum.
They should give Mei a speed boost when she walks on the ice made by her gun, and give her a skating/sliding animation
>>337401592
Torbjorn's turret has OP reaction time. You cant tracer zip, winston jump, genji dash through its LoS without being perfectly tracked by it and taking damage.
How are you supposed to kill/sneak around a turret with more health than most players and frame perfect aimbotting?
>>337401592
Funny thing about this thread is that many of the shit people suggest ACTUALLY WERE LIKE THAT IN CLOSED BETA.
Zenyatta discord and harmony stayed through LoS and he was broken as fuck. The most popular comp was 2 zenyatta and 2 reaper, the reapers would just shift away when they got low and would be fully healed when they were done.
All time based skills now have the circle timer on screen, ala Mei's self freeze and D.Va's dash.
>>337408570
This would be great, particularly if McCree was given (or just plain able to use) multiple pistols. He's got two on him, right?
They load round by round, but McCree can switch between them fairly quickly, with two, *maybe* three pistols on-hand. His meta is maintained as a burst damage fighter who falls short in longer engagements.
>>337409882
I was hoping for sliding physics when I first picked her and was super bummed out I couldn't make enemies trip or slide into walls
>>337409889
well you know... its a stationary object...
>>337401592
If anything, Zenyatta needs more survivability without being fucking damage+heal cancer, so, instead I suggest making Discord not increase Zen damage and increase Zenyatta life/shield bit.
Symmetra needs a rework, her turrets are fucking shit and are destroyed instantly.
Bastion a new ultimate around utility or defense and some small bullet spread on turret mode.
DVA needs the ability to fire while using defense matrix without interrupting it since her weapons are only good at close and she can't tank that much.
Reaper can cancel his wraith form
When reaper teleports it's instant, but him exiting to the new location is the same speed.
>>337403067
If he's boring to play as, just don't play as him. Simple. That will remove having to play against him too.
pharahs ult should be cancellable at any point during the animation.
>>337409882
Sure let's buff a broken hero even more.
>>337410000
Checked.
Give bastion's turret mode a wind up for his mini-gun
make tracer faster
remove mei's clothes
>>337409603
I think they'd really fix the majority of the problem by making her take a couple extra seconds to freeze you.
She effectively deals like 600 DPS, because it only takes a second to freeze and you're just dead if you get frozen no matter how high your health is. The second she gets remotely close to you, it just feels so pointless to even fight back.
Reinhardt Firestrike to 125 damage so skilled players can quickly deal with lower health classes, if firestrike is ready
>>337409464
I meant more like "in my opinion, buildables should be immobile". I think that overall it's a good balance
>Torbjorn turret range down from 40 meters to 30 meters
>>337405402
hahahahah you fucking sped.
>>337410140
mei is one of the worst heroes in the game at higher levels of play (if not THE worst)
blizzard will likely leave her alone to rot because lesser skilled players can't deal with her.
>People ignoring the top post and just crying and or shit posting now
Damn it.
>>337408650
she is 1v1able
very 1v1able
you just cant go face to face with her
her weapon is extremely short range, I don't understand how you could play the beta but not work out a strategy.
also: flashbang.
>>337409889
>You cant tracer zip, winston jump, genji dash through its LoS without being perfectly tracked by it and taking damage.
You can't even fly above and behind it as Pharah and expect not to be sniped out of the sky.
Torb is fucking lame anyways. You just set up a turret, go hide and rack up kills.
>>337404514
>Hits the training robot's arm
>Complains that this shouldn't count
????
Mei's Ice Shield has a health and can break, Mei is stunned on break.
>>337410016
Until you put it on an elevator or moving platform.
Also a turret is rarely alone, it is usually defended by the torbjorn and another player. You can't fight them because you will die in 5 seconds from taking constant perfect-aim turret shots.
I don't think it should be nerfed into the ground just make its reaction time a little more forgiving or make its bullets slightly imperfect so a player can weave it just like any other player.
>>337409754
>>337409793
>>337409849
Nice meme.
I hope Blizzard makes a wedding dress skin for Zarya!
>>337410185
Firestrike doesnt need a buff.
It's a piercing attack with a huge hitbox.
The only thing I would change on Reinhardt is making his charge pin hitbox a little bit wider
>>337402880
>>337403820
The problem is like you said, the long walks are supposed to fill in for respawn time, but it's a shit system. Let's compare is to TF2:
Sure in TF2 you have to wait to respawn, but this allows you to have forward spawns so when you revive you are right at the front. This also prevents stalemates at final points by giving the defenders longer spawns, a penalty for being on their last legs and spawning next to the point.
Overwatch tried to be fast and fun by limiting respawn times to the same few seconds, the same amount as the killcam. Unfortunately this means you spawn way too far back from the first point making those fall super quick and spawning too fast on last points, making those way too hard to push into.
>>337403021
This. So sick of seeing him in every play of the game.
>>337410313
Even more reasons to redesign her then.
>>337410225
>complaining about torb turrets in open areas
Speaking of, I want these fuckers to have a ramp up in damage and ramp down in healing.
Make the thing deadly if it's shooting a guy for a good 6 seconds, and make the heals full heal on the first hit and become far weaker after every consecutive hit. would actually compliment his "do it yourself" gameplay if he can't turtle his turret.
>>337410474
Should move ~25% faster. It's his only range and anyone watching can dodge it
>>337405753
>I don't want any mobility or ways to get out of a losing fight
>I'm leaving out the fact that TF2 soldier has a melee weapon that makes it 1000 times easier to get out of a fight than any of pharah's abilites
>I don't understand that pharah is a sitting duck in the air
>I don't get that the auto-aim weapons do shit-all damage, and poo-in-the-loo is a shit character anyway
>I've never played the game so I have never seen the difference between a bad Tracer and a good Tracer
>I want D.Va's ultimate and her guns to be even shittier than they already are
>>337410456
>Also a turret is rarely alone, it is usually defended by the torbjorn and another player.
If not other turrets, especially on Hanamura.
>>337410398
Exactly. There are ways to outplay it obviously but if you dropped a pin it could fucking shoot that thing before it hit the ground. If a strand of widow's hair floats around a corner 40m behind it you bet your ass it will pull a 180 in 0.5 seconds and land a perfect shot as well.
Buff torbjorn in some other way but make his turret less aimbotty.
>>337405349
Is that really bad when the games barely last 10 minutes.
at least it will be over faster if the good team is doing that well.
>>337410562
The current system allows things like Teleporter and speed buffs to be a bigger deal, making for a more diverse cast with with more utility options.
>>337407279
It's Justice from Guilty Gear, he even screams about justice during his ult
Bastion is fine, but they need to make it completely impossible for him to ever get Play of the Game. It's never good.
>>337410069
Why not reverse that?
Wraith Form's your "Oh shit gotta get the hell outta here" ability, Teleport's your "Pssh, nothin personnel kid" offensive ability. One gets you into the fight, one out.
Making his teleport slow-building, but transfer instantly (as in, he does his pose *before* teleporting, and is ready immediately afterwards) could make it more about offensive use.
Though, that may open up a can of worms with
>E
>Left click
>Q
>DIE DIE DIEEE
Outta fuckin' nowhere
>>337403021
Yup.
>inb4 "he's just a casual stomper"
Motherfucker, I want a game that I can play for 15 mins with pubbies. Who gives a shit about high level competitive play in a game that has built in wallhacks and aimbots, this NEEDS to be balanced around casual gameplay, and in casual unorganized games Bastion is retardely OP and not fun to play against at all.
>>337410398
>>337410759
>hurrr durrr nerf him! I mean hes not even a threat or anything... but like still nerff him
Hahaha. Stay mad.
Triple everyone's health.
Symmetra - Slightly increase travel speed of alt-fire. She is actually much better than players give her credit for, but there is no reason for the orb to be THAT fucking slow.
Roadhog - Remove 100 HP. Given how good his heal is I don't see the issue here.
D.Va - Give more speed while firing primary. She shouldn't move at 100%, but she should damn well be able to move faster than the 25% she does now.
Hanzo - Ultimate has damage dropoff with distance travelled. Still great for objective clearing, less useful for nuking people through three walls half of the map away.
Pharah - Make her HP 150 and give 50 armor.
>>337406207
What is the reasoning behind what makes a play of the game? I assumed it was related to that little fire bar below your HP?
>>337411065
"No."
>>337411065
FUCK YOU
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>>337410910
that's why I have it like that. If he teleports poorly people will kill him, but if he teleports and disappears no one will see where hes teleporting to and can use it as a secondary escape but it's more more of a quick positioning tool.
>>337411065
this sounds really funny actually
>>337410904
>It's a Bastion sitting in a corner getting PoTG episode
>>337411206
>everyone takes longer to kill and people just awkwardly dance around each other in every fire fight.
You know those brawl of the weeks they're planing on having, where there are wacky things like supports only or genji/hanzo only?
I want to see one that's Winstons only with unlimited ultimate all the time. They can call it "Going Bananas"
>>337411437
When everyone has a margin for error a mile wide, *nobody* has a margin for error a mile wide.
Question.
If Mei is so broken, why is she not used in the competitive meta?
>>337411031
>master trole 2016
you sure showed them
I hardly played 10 hours in the open beta but I feel like Zenyatta and Symmetra need a buff.
Also Genji's dash, how much damage does it do? It didn't feel like much, I tried to finish enemies at low health with it but always failed
>>337410904
>not wanting to watch bastion rocket jump with his ult and tokyo drift around the point killing everyone.
>>337411514
The same reason that bastion isn't
or how pyro isn't used in comp.
They're shitty characters that are unfun to play against but are weak outside their gimmicks.
>>337411514
If everyone is beholden to the competitive meta why isn't everyone a professional gamer?
Increase widowmakers charge to 3 seconds like in tf2. She should be punished for missing a shot when she does 300 damage headhosts and 150 bodyshots fully charged. Instead she can just never stop shooting with her under 1 second charge time.
>>337411514
because her freeze probably takes way too long to initiate, and she's too slow to get to a point if she dies.
i'm assuming all of this, honestly.i think it's just because she's a fat piece of shit who should just be used for lewd things and that's it
>>337411514
Literally only because good McCrees shit on her, and most comps so far run two McCrees.
>>337411528
You don't understand genjis dash then.
It's an escape and it's a finisher, it does 50 damage and resets on ANY elimination that you were involved with.
>Added an L2 to D.Va's moveset
>Inside of her mech: Fire Homing Rockets
>They travel slightly slower than Pharah's primary fire and can be disjointed
>Outside of her mech: Wrist Rocket
>Same thing, but only fires one of them
>>337411514
most complaints about character balance come from new players to over watch, or generally shit fps players.
this is even addressed by blizzard who noticed this during their statistic farming of the closed/open beta.
the worst players typically complain about:
1. bastion
2. tracer
3. attack defend maps being stacked for defence.
mei is extremely shit against any proficient team as she relies entirely on taking and winning a 1v1.
a 1v1 does not occur with a semi-skilled team, especially if they know a mei is roaming.
>>337411528
Not sure how much it does but the wiki shows it probably. If I had to guess I would say 75 damage, it kills most characters at around 25% health which is when i use it for the sweet resets.
>>337411514
Because she is so broken.
She is a goddess and absolute trash at the same time.
There is no reason for her to exist.
>>337411104
>nerfing pincushion roadhog
Looks like someone has been chained too much
>>337411728
Doesn't it only reset if you kill with the dash?
>>337411238
Truthfully, Blizzard just needs to add some weights in against things that are unlikely to be interesting plays of the game. A player killed 4 other people and that adds up to enough points to be play of the game? Check if it's a character with a team-wiping ultimate and if they activated that ultimate in the seconds proceeding the play. If so, disqualify it. Same thing for Bastion, just check if he was in turret mode when he racked up his points to put him in PotG position. If so, chuck it and go to the next highest play.
The most interesting and fun plays are the great plays made without just pressing Q or holding LMB as Bastion, but we're stuck with watching the same shit at the end of every match because it's strictly point based.
>>337411104
>Hanzo - Ultimate has damage dropoff with distance travelled. Still great for objective clearing, less useful for nuking people through three walls half of the map away.
>nerfing hanzo
>nerfing his ult
>I'M SHOOTING MY ULT AT THE POINT HAAAAAA!
it's a really bad ultimate.
Make Symmetra's turret damage fall off if there are more than 6 active Sym turrets on a team. 5 Sym's cheesing a literal 30 turret web of death defending on Temple of Anubis is virtually impossible to deal with.
>>337411897
No ANY elimination that happens before the cooldown resets.
>>337411976
I think you misread the point - it should still do a shitload of damage at the start, just not 10 seconds and 100 yards later.
>>337412042
>take pharah
>shoot in the general direction of the turrets
>they all get destroyed in a 2 mile radius
>>337412101
You're nerfing the worst ult in the game though.
It's like nerfing bastion
>Crying about Bastion
"Git gud" truly is timeless advice.
>>337411104
>Symmetra
Nah. What needs to be done is the player needs to be given the option to hold the charge and release it at their discretion, not automatically. That orb does a fuck ton of damage and I've gotten some kills off of it but holy hell let me do it when I wanna do it.
>Roadhog
The extra hundred HP is because Roadhog lacks any form of protective skill. He doesn't have armor, a shield, a barrier or anything like that to stop the hail of bullets he's going to be soaking in. The obscenely good health recovery is to mitigate that. Believe it or not he's balanced as he's the only Tank that has something that others don't. He can't protect himself or absorb damage to become stronger. He can't become invulnerable. He has to be on the frontlines and a Roadhog has to hope he has support from teammates in order for him to push.
>D.Va
She has infinite bullets. Well--every character has infinity bullets in this game but D.Va's gimmick is that when she's in her Gundam she doesn't have to reload. The slowed movement as she's shooting is Blizzard's attempt to balance the fact that a player can literally hold M1 forever without needing to worry about ducking behind cover as the reload animation plays.
>Hanzo
I agree about the damage drop off after the ultimate has gone about 10 meters.
>Pharah
You must be joking. She's pretty fine as is though if I had my way I'd give her 225-250 health and see how she handles it.
>>337411897
No. any kill that is a player afaik resets it. But since his shurikens kinda suck, it's just better to finish people off with the dash anyway unless you're ulting.
>>337411825
yes please don't nerf roadhog's hp
who else will we farm ult off.
>>337411825
You can have a shorter heal cooldown in return, but some HP off of the top is fairly warranted.
>>337412042
>virtually impossible to deal with.
>>337411104
>Pharah - Make her HP 150 and give 50 armor.
>make her more squishy
'no'
>>337412042
They have literally 1 HP, my man. They die to absolutely any splash damage.
Just have everyone go Pharah/Junkrat and instantly win.
>>337412229
>shurikens kinda suck
Surely you jest.
>>337406940
>GIVE BAMF MAN 250HP
thisssss
or alternatively he should have 2 charges on his dodge roll, or have a 4 second cooldown on it, or have the cooldown reset on kills. i just want him to be a gunslinger who rolls around and fans the hammer like crazy, kinda like a reaper but not for gays
also here are my ideas
>bastion should have less DPS in turret form but he should have like 400-500 hp by default
>d.va should have a mouse 2 ability that shoots homing missiles at enemies, lock-on required, takes 2 seconds or something, missiles aren't that fast and only deal medium damage, but let d.va put pressure on enemies from afar and finish kills
Give bastion an angle limit on where he can aim, so that gives him the ability to be flanked or limit his turning speed past a certain degree.
Make mercy have some sort of height control when flying
Change the way play of the game works so its not just the biggest killstreak, maybe give it another angle of view of the play
Make it so that roadhog cant pull through objects
remove or increase the time it takes for mei to freeze
>>337412190
it's agreeable that hes nothing, but hes the worst kind of nothing.
Hes the kind of nothing that makes you go out of your way to kill him with a specific class or strategy. Hes the kind of guy that you know exactly what he'll do for the entire game and your plan to stop him will never change every time you fight him. Hes the kind of guy that will kill you if you don't follow this very simple rule set, essentially halting all fun until you deal with the very simple problem.
Hes the roadbump to work that you pass over every day.
Nerf the amount of shitters crying about Bastion
Buff the amount of cute girls in the game
>>337412119
>>337412251
>>337412257
>implying they aren't hidden to make you overextend
>implying you aren't dead as soon as you touch the ground from 5 autoaim beams
Not even winston's aoe cone really contributes anything when you have to overextend so hard that the Sym's will prioritize you and get the turrets back up by time you run back. At that point the only way to deal with it is to have the whole team character cheese back so there may be a more fundamental problem in allowing multiplie characters on a team.
>>337412478
What if Bastion couldn't aim all the way up or down?
He can aim in a 90 degree angle in any direction, but he can't shoot anything directly above or below him.
>>337409616
fun hater
the best part about playing genji is the constant acrobatics and los breaking your enemy with that shit
he isn't even that strong outside shitter bracket so don't you dare try to take him away from me
Everyone keeps saying they should raise Zenyata health, but they probably won't so that since that's how they nerfed him in closed beta.
What they should do is let him heal himself if life orb isn't on someone else. So he'll be doubly regen-y when taking damage from his shields and orb. This would make up for his low hp pool and no mobility / escapes.
>>337412480
nice poetry kid.
I like it when people take a paragraph to say what could be said in 1 sentence.
>>337412190
It is but it's not super helpful. What is helpful is offering counter heroes and really drilling in the point that if one approach doesn't work then there are several others. I've one-shot Bastion as Widowmaker from a distance. I've seen Bastion dismantled when flanked by Tracers. I've seen Bastion burst into treats if a Pharah lands a couple of good hits. He's a good character--it's just that he's shitter friendly and certain objectives play to his strengths because of chokepoints and shit.
It's just not fun to go against. I wish he had significant damage drop off the longer he was in turret mode or that there was a wind-up he'd have to undergo before the bullets start flying. Something. Anything.
Why is Symmetra considered support instead of defense?
>>337412531
>Buff the amount of cute girls in the game
This. Please add more porn
>>337412630
yeah that's what playing against bastion is like.
>>337412595
that would be way too severe man, bastion needs to be good at area control but right now he barely has to worry about being flanked because he can 180 in a second and gun down whoever is there
I think torbjorn's sentry's range should be nerfed. I'm not the biggest fan of being shot across the entire realm and not even noticing it in the heat of combat
And this is coming from someone who plays torb
>>337412693
because she can give everyone that shield
Symmetra's shield increase to 50 from 25.
Let her ult regain her ult gauge if destroyed early. Based off the amount of charges she had left. Though cap it to 50% at 6 charges.
>>337412617
No it wouldn't his entire problem is being 1 shot from full hp
>>337412714
That's a given anon.
>>337412693
because her shield used to mean something.
>>337412772
Torb can give people armor. And her shield is pretty damn weak and she can't heal health at all.
Increase TTK for all non-tank heros.
It just feels like everyone dies way too fast in most cases.
Mei.
Re-casting E to shatter her Ice wall deals damage and applies slow, equivalent to one tick of her M1, in a small area around it.
Increase the CD by 1 second.
>>337412449
Any player that knows how to move and shoot can avoid them pretty easily.
It's easier to get the killing blow with the dash, which you should be doing anyway.
>>337412798
It was at 50. They took it down to 25 because it regens and apparently Symmetra was *the* support class to go to. Blizzard is monitoring the change "closely" to see if it really hurts the character's use/viability.
I dont understand the premise of this game.
Called back into action to do what? Fight against each other? Hows that saving the world?
Good guys and bad guys on the same team?
I mean maybe it's just leftover shit from Titan, but it makes no sense at all.
HOW TO FIX BASTION: DEFINITIVE EDITION
>give his turret form weapon spin-up time like Heavy except he can't "spin" the barrel without shooting
>longer reload time
>>337412814
that's more of a problem with widowmaker too strong. She shouldnt be doing 150 damage bodyshots with her charge time.
Does anyone know how play of the games work? I hope it's not just kill based since that means characters like Mercy will never get recognition even if they do a stellar job of healing.
Symettra converts 12.5% of the players health into shield and gives them the normal 25 bonus shield.
>>337412537
>"the best way to deal with the whole enemy team being one character is for your team to change to that character's counters and severely punishing them, but anyway, why the fuck didn't blizzard include some way to deal with multiples of the same character???"
>>337413014
And make it so he can't 180 and blast the hell out of anyone coming up behind him. If Bastion wants to handle a flank he has to come out of his turret mode and manually get into a fire fight.
>>337412449
they purely and mathematically do. shit fire rate, shit projectile speed, shit burst fire bullshit, and most importantly, shit damage. full burst deals 84 damage. that's assuming you land them, every good player will be juking and jiving away from them when you attack them, even if they don't see you. bamfs gun deals 70 per hit, fires faster and is hitscan. tracers guns do like 200 damage in 1.5 seconds too if you land all the shots.
genjis weapon damage is shit and he's only decent because literally every one of his other abilities also deal damage. deflect to deal damage, dash to deal damage, melee to deal damage, etc. he's a weird character and the reason deflect is so good is because his own weapon sucks mega dick
>>337412943
it's what was salvaged from their failed MMO that featured the same storyline/lore.
>Genji
Dragonblade sucks balls. The shuriken are SO FUCKING GOOD that using your ult isn't worth it unless you're in that exact perfect moment.
>McREEEE
Flashbang is retarded. Make it literally blind ala Counter Strike, or make it only work on direct hits, or SOMETHING. As-is this shit is not okay.
>Pharah
No problems.
>Reaper
Teleport takes too long. Speed it up a little.
>Metzen
The heal is too strong. Make it heal for the same amount but over a longer time so it's only viable in long-range spam battles or between engagements.
>Tracer
Increase CD on Recall.
>Bastion
Change armor to normal health OR slow down his self-heal. Bastard too hard to dislodge as it is.
>Hanzo
Fix the arrow hitboxes being as big as the payload OR make him unable to headshot. Unreasonably easy to land headshots as is.
>Junkrat
No problems.
>Mei
Decrease the range of her M1.
>Torbjorn
Reduce LV3 Turret's health or at least don't fill it when MC is popped.
>Widowmaker
Reduce the scope charge time by a fuckload. Right now there's no penalty for missing 'cause the next shot charges up so fast. Any retard can spam 100% charged shots until they 1hit bodyshot you.
>D.va
Double her damage, triple her falloff. Flanker character with zero kill potential outside of ult/bumping people into holes with the thrusters. What a joke.
>Reinhardt
Shield recharges too fast, slow it down.
>Roadhog
Whole Hog should be cancelable on your end. Also, hook CD is too short.
>Winston
Chimping Out shouldn't set you to max 1000 HP but instead use your current health % and apply it to your new maximum.
>Zarya
Make her get POIG instead of the shithead that uses his ult into her Graviton Surge.
>Lucio
Reduce all of his healing by 30%, Ult should also decay faster
>Mercy
No problems.
>Symmetra
TP should have more uses OR you can build ULT% while a TP is up.
>Zenyatta
Harmony Orb healing needs to go way up OR he can put out more of them.
>it's another Memewatch thread
Why are people supporting paid mods ? I thought V was against this shit what the FUCK happend to us
>>337413123
Yeah the weakpoint on his back is pretty moot because he can just instantly spin to his attackers if he isn't against a wall for some reason.
>>337413123
>Final payload point at Hollywood has a chokepoint where Bastion can hunker down without being attacked from behind or above
>>337413046
The most kills within a certain window of time. Seems to weigh more heavily if you do it before capturing an objective. Assume mercy resurrection is weighted similarly to kills.
In other words really fucking simplistic and hopefully they'll improve it in the future.
>>337412480
God forbid that you have to play around your opponents
>>337412658
I tell people things all of the time but ultimately the biggest counters to Bastion are teamwork and common sense. People get pissed when they have to actually solve problems so they ask developers to do it for them, it's pathetic.
>>337413273
>Metzen
kek
>>337413216
>not reworking it all so it makes some sort of sense
at least TF2s dumbass lore make sense in its dumbass universe
>>337405247
That's retarded.
>>337413340
I'd honestly prefer if they'd just fucking remove it
>>337413046
I don't think it's kill based, but they clearly have a biased advantage. I've gotten one as Mercy, and I'm still not sure what could have done it.
>>337411110
kills while cap/defending objectives count for more.
>>337413123
>>337413014
>thinks this will solve the problem
He now is forced to switch to recon and constantly spam a choke point to keep his gun spinning, he'll also always sit in a corner because of this nerf.
If you want to fix bastion give him a fucking laser sight that lets you know where he is.
>>337413046
Kills/assists/revives/etc. have a secret "point" system
Kills are worth most points.
Algorithm is set to find the most "concentrated" points in the match.
Meaning the most points possible in the least time possible.
>>337413172
except genji has much higher survivability due to deflect and better mobility than most classes with swift strike aka dash.
his ult is also far more versatile than tracers and mcrees.
it's like you don't even understand the fundamentals of the game.
>>337413319
fuck off
>>337413273
>Nerfing trobs only viable turret
spot the shitter.
>>337413340
It isn't even kills, it is damage done.
Now, that usually translates into kills but you get weird ones where someone simply kills a Roadhog and a Reinhardt and that is the PotG.
>>337401592
50 or 75 more health for Zenyatta, he is slow and has no escapes
>>337413510
>Thinks LV2 isn't already retarded
>Thinks le swedish notdwarf's liquefied dorito gun isn't a rape machine
maximum shitter honestly
>>337413273
>Nering Torb only good turret
>nering lucio 13 hps 36 if he uses his special when mercy has 50 hps and a battle rez
Fuck you faggot
>>337413332
>it also has a mile long sight for anyone to shoot bastion and tons of areas for people to sneak up on him or shoot down at him
>>337413584
Honestly even 5 more HP would be enough. Just enough to not get one hit bodyshot by Widowmaker.
>>337413571
no, it's not.
blizzard themselves have said its weighed by points gained in a short amount of time
multipliers are applied for certain actions; e.g. knocking cunts off a roof to their death, shutting down an ult, or in many cases multiple kills in rapid succession -- ESPECIALLY if they are full hp kills with no assist.
>>337413273
>Dragonblade sucks balls
lmfao what
it's a good ass ultimate but i guess it takes some thought to use so you think it sucks. pro tip: use it when approaching from a group of enemies blindspot, like above or something. or just use it to kill that CUNT MEI WHO DID A 190 TO ME WITH THAT LONG RANGE SNIPEY RIFLE to teach her a lesson about counterpicking you. anyway i got potg like every second game by the time the beta ended just by wiping control points clean with the dragon blade
conversely, i think his shurikens are dogshit because they're ridicule easy to dodge. no one ever dies in genji vs genji fights because both players are just flipping around and avoiding every shuriken
but i agree with the rest of your shit except maybe some of them
>>337405247
The games already tend to be pretty hard to come back from. For instance, whoever captures the point first in KotH tends to win the game because, while the attackers can use their ultimates to make big pushes, the defenders are building theirs just as fast and can disrupt any push with them.
I don't think pushing the balance more in favor of the team that's ahead is going to do anything but make the game a lot more of one team crushing the other.
>>337413618
Nigger it does low damage compared to guns and other abilites in the game and it's lock on can be abused to easily break it have one distract the other kill you retard. It does pityful damage and health at level two.
>>337401592
NERF MCREE
>>337413706
Keep talking shit-for-brains, only digging yourself a deeper hole
Winstons shield should have 100 additional health
D.Va's Q should have her eject from mech.
Once in zero suit her Q is to activate Self Destruct, and she gains E to re-enter the mech.
If she is not in her mech and someone shoots down the mech it auto self destructs. After the mech is destroyed her Q becomes Call Mech again.
This would allow more mind games without changing too much.
>>337413448
>laser sight
I imagined that'd be something Widowmaker could use so that players can be aware that she's got a bead on them.
>>337413697
>Dodging the shurikens
Nigger did you try to play him like a fucking sniper
Lead them you mongoloid
They go so fast and have no dropoff it's impossible to not hit
So I haven't seen one proposed nerf for him that wouldn't absolutely ruin him
>>337413632
>sneak up on him or shoot down at him
No dawg. You can position yourself where you'll see people come out from under an archway before they see you.
It's a fucking absurd defense point
>>337413775
>300 health with no shield or armor
>14 damage pre hit in level 1 and 2
Kill yourself you fucking faggot
http://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Torbj%C3%B6rn
>>337403651
While a lot of you "1 hero per team" spammers are the sort who "main" a hero in a game where switching heroes is vital, I partly agree that it ruins any chance of a ranked/competitive nature the game has.
Personally, in casual mode I think it should be fine for a team of 5 bastions and a reinhardteasily dealt with reallybut in ranked mode it should be 1 hero per team
>>337413863
I don't know whenever she fires at a player she pretty much gives her location away.
>>337413485
what the fuck are you talking about
i never said anything about his overall viability. i'm talking about his shurikens sucking ass. i'm a cancerous fucking genji main i know that the character is good (although gets increasingly difficult in higher brackets compared to other heroes apparently)
the argument was about whether shurikens suck or not. they do, because if they didn't, genji would be overpowered as fuck
i'd personally prefer if they flew out a bit faster because god damn is it hard to land them on some heroes like tracer and pharah but whatever
>>337405247
I think it getting it reduced when you die rather than outright reset it is a better alternative.
>>337413783
more health doesn't matter when it only lasts 2 seconds
>>337413910
>Literally so retarded he thinks the turret's job is to be mini-bastion
I have no words
>>337413893
perfect, time to remove him
>>337401592
Blizzard should never listen to you people.
^^^Wow 10/10 Best New Suggestion up right there.
>>337413783
Winston needs something.
I get he isn't really supposed to be a traditional tank, but rather disruptor who can leap to snipers/healers, but he just doesn't have enough to survive behind enemy lines. He's too big of a target, and can just barely out-damage the targets he's supposed to be going after. Absolutely everything has to go right for him to do the only thing he's even remotely useful for.
>>337413905
well it is a defense point that is like what? 10 meters.
Just go up top and shoot down at bastion and the team with like junkrat hanzo or anyone really.
The big emphasis on counterpicking and hard counters seems strange when there is no such thing as drafting and bans and switching characters is effortless.
I guess Blizz just intends teams to pick whatever they want then get into the first teamfight then switch to the hard counter after they die. Repeat for the rest of the match.
>>337414028
>Crying about a shitty turret outside of his ultimate
I don't even have words. Torb isn't a problem I am not the one complaining about him. By your buff/nerf list you seem to be the one who has a hard time here.
>>337413974
Yeah but apparently Blizzard doesn't think this is enough and Widowmaker is looking at a nerf soon. I wouldn't mind the telltale red beam--especially if it becomes really vibrant to highlight the level of strength Widowmaker's charge is at. See a red beam trail? Drop out of the sky or get behind cover 'cuz you're marked for death.
>>337405402
>game is literally about switching heroes
>uhhh deter it because I can't main my widow waifu 4ever
Fuck off back to Dota and League where that shit is okay
>>337414058
they need to rework his ult so he goes into third person while he's going bananas
>>337403651
blizzard said they will never do this.
Hell I think they nerfed winston instead of fixing this
>>337414152
Did you literally just do a flipsie
Is this a cartoon
Nigga fuck off
>>337413893
stun has to hit people to fully stun
If the stun doesn't hit it only immobilizes them and disables their abilities
>>337414029
t. shitter who wanders off from his team and wonders why he dies
>>337414149
there are no 'hard counters' to any of the classes played competitively.
at best you might experience a soft counter which is easily negated by a good player.
>>337414243
No you're the one trying to flip this go back to the first post I called you a shitter for wanting to nerf Torb only good turret you dumb motherfucker. Level 1 is subpar and level 2 is decent at best but nerfing level three is fucking retarded because it is his only worth while turret.
>>337413863
Did you not notice the big fucking streak her sniper rifle leaves when it fires, giving you a direct line to her position?
>>337414098
I don't think you're understanding me
There's no higher vantage point from which you can shoot down on Bastion. It's a doorway that leads back to Defense's spawnpoint, so enemies cannot sneak up on you
Speaking as someone who played Bastion on that map it's hilarious how easy it is there to just plop down and M1.
>>337414348
Isn't mccree like a hard counter to everything?
>>337413885
i actually think they're easier to land in a sniper rifle situation. landing them on a guy who you're dueling in mid-close range is actually hard as fuck if that guy is decent. you can't really *lead* targets that constantly run back and forth, use movement abilities, jump, etc. enemy genjis rarely landed shurikens on me also because it's very easy to avoid them if you just try. trying to land shurikens in close-mid range is like trying to land shots with a hitscan gun with 0.3 second input lag. it is just straight up unlikely that you'll maintain a good accuracy
>>337401592
remove ults
>>337413885
This right here >>337414409 I normally end up in fights with swift strike and melee but I do love being an assassin and picking people off from where they can't see me with the shuriken.
>>337414394
the stair way on the left (your left if your defending). just go up their and shoot down at bastion.
>>337413584
I'd be down for him getting 50 more health if his damage is lowered from 45->35. He two shots 200 health character with headshots if they have discord on them, so if he had 200 HP the combination of glass cannon damage with not-quite glass cannon HP might be a little much. Half the reason Symmetra was nerfed was because stacking Zenyatta was a thing, after all, and her shields being lowered from 50 to 25 is half the reason why he's not all that good anymore.
Sure, he's still sort of playable if you have Symmetra on your team since he won't get one shot by Widow bodyshots, but since he only has 25 HP left an uncharged click will finish him off. Also, 175 is pretty trivial for Tracer or Genji to deal with since he can't do much of anything short of getting lucky and nailing them in the face.
>>337405753
Here's another (you)
>>337414408
at best mcree is a counter to tracer/genji aka roaming flank players.
hence why these characters are situational and their pick rate reflects that.
just to help you out, you know what counters mcree flashbang fun?
zarya bubble.
>>337402731
Her icebox heals her? What the fuck, that's retarded
>>337414409
That's why you use the right click. it has higher damage and fires like a shotgun.
It's basically your finisher outside of your swiftu striku
>>337414590
>Mcree countering Genji
Explain
So do we have a decent idea of the story of Overwatch?
Global health buff.
Game is too instagib.
>>337414702
No.
>>337414590
>zarya bubble.
well yeah zarya is best, and I think shes high tier in comp.
>>337414653
I assume he means flashbang fan the hammer.
How's this one:
Matchmaking system updated- you will no longer get matched up with mentally retarded teammates
>>337414702
Some evil guys are trying to fuck up the Earth
Therefore Overwatch needs to fight each other
It's really best not to think about it
>>337414702
basically omnics are jews (I'm serious) and australia is arabs. omnics are now "peaceful" few don't trust them and they get assassinated a lot. War could happen if this shit keeps going down though and omnics might start another war.
>>337414653
genji can't reflect the flashbang if mccree is smart and doesn't throw it right at him. even if you land it next to genji, he will get stunned through his deflect and probably get fucking owned. it's retarded
>>337408485
Mei is the hardest counter to every single character in the game 1v1.
>>337414653
flashbang catches any roaming isolated flank player.
usually genji/tracer due to their mobility.
genji doesn't have the hp pool to survive a fan.
it's a softer counter than tracer due to genjis deflect, but it's a counter to him none the less.
a decent mcree will just bait the deflect, wait, and then flashbang m2.
genji doesnt have the dps to down mcree before that happens.
>>337401592
before the game comes out.. I think they should nerf the whole project, nerf all the staff that made it more SJW, and make a new game that is not a rehash.
>>337414058
His weapon is supposed to mitigate that. It's an AoE/cone so it can hit multiple targets without much effort. A player can't strafe or elude--they're caught in Winston's clutches as soon as he unleashes hell. Tracer is especially fucked unless she warps a shit ton of times and otherwise jukes Winston. Also it eats through shields and barriers to deal direct damage. It cannot be stopped.
His barrier is a little funky but once you learn what it can specifically do you can get an idea of how to apply it. When you're inside of it you can't be damaged. If an enemy comes inside of of it you can be damaged but if you move outside and they're still shooting then the barrier is what's eating the damage instead of Winston. Weird, right?
He's a big fucking target, sure. He's there to distract the enemy team but for a tank he isn't especially worth anything beyond disruption. I just personally hate that he can't compete with offensive heroes. They'll wear his ass out. But Winston shines when he's going after defense/support heroes because they can't deal enough damage to stop hot monkey dick nor can they get out of your cone of range so they're completely fucked.
>>337414635
good luck landing more than 1 shuriken on any of the skinny hitbox characters. it's not like you're going to be in hugging range of mercy/tracer/pharah at any point either.
i do use right click to finish off kills but saying that it's genjis shurikens saving grace is just stupidity. it's slightly better accuracy at the cost of a major dps loss.
>>337414635
This. The right click->melee->dash combo at close range is 28*3 + 30 + 50 = 164 damage. If you execute it in sequence each action animation cancels the previous action, meaning you can basically do that combo in an instant. If you hit one other shuriken left click burst beforehand the close range combo allows you to instantly kill an injured 200 health character or straight up instant kill a full health Tracer (if they're terrible) or Zenyatta (which is, again, why Zeny only having 150 total health and shields is pretty awful).
>>337415050
Aim for their butt. No, really, because Genji's so short it's actually easier to land all three if you aim at hip-level against skinny people. Dat ass has a downside.
>>337415050
I don't understand how you're getting into situations that you can't control the distance with genji.
>>337413997
>although gets increasingly difficult in higher brackets compared to other heroes apparently
Because at that point all his double jumps, wall climbing, and dashing mean little against people who can aim well and consistently.
I played a roughly equal amount of time playing Overwatch on PC and Xbox (all my friends insist on getting it on console, none of them have good PCs so w/e) and playing Genji on console is a totally different ball game cuz no one can hit you.
>>337401592
Torbjorn turret can receive armor in place of hammer repair.
>>337414374
Of course I noticed it. Widow is going to get hit regardless and I believe it'd likely involve a telltale laser sight because I literally cannot imagine how she could be nerfed yet apparently Blizzard is interested in doing something to curb her offense.
>>337414702
Robots gained sentience and rose up against humanity. Every army lost against the robots except Russia's. U.N. creates Overwatch, a small army made up of the most talented people from around the world to fight the robots. Overwatch beats robots. Robots and humans make strained peace. Overwatch stays around to protect the Earth, world-police style. Eventually public opinion of them wanes and infighting causes one of their main bases to self-destruct, killing their leaders (not really, they're fine but wanted to fuck off). Overwatch is outlawed.
Years later, a group called Talon is causing global unrest, with a focus on destabilizing the peace between humans and robots. Talon begins actively hunting down retired Overwatch agents. Winston, basically the last Overwatch member, living in exile, calls the boys back together to fight Talon.
Then for some reason two teams of 6 random people each travel around the world and kill each other over pushing carts.
>>337415235
Fun fact: you can actually build his turret on top of a health pack spawn, and it'll pick up the health pack to heal itself if it takes damage. It's a funny way to defend a health pack against a flanker while also making sure that it gets denied.
It's probably a bug so it may get fixed by release.
>all these faggots crying mei is op
wow what the fuck
she is not even that good
>>337415265
>Then for some reason two teams of 6 random people each travel around the world and kill each other over pushing carts.
Greatest story ever told.
>>337415339
Thats pretty fuckin neato
>>337415358
t. fatfuck fetish
>>337403651
this is retarded
>>337415472
However little you think of Blizzard they're not taking balance advice from /v/ shitters.
>>337415339
Holy shit I love the pick up denial mechanic from tf1, I really hope blizzard keeps this.
>>337415358
People don't realize that if you start the fight outside her range and can aim at her gigantic fat head that she'll have to block before she can freeze you. You back away and do it again and she's fucked.
I'm guessing she's probably harder to deal with on consoles because she's basically a no-aim-required kind of character whereas countering her requires headshots.
I heard Pharah was really good on consoles for similar reasons. At high MMR on PC she's usually a terrible pick since everyone's just gonna go 76/McCree and fuck her brains out, but on console the hitscan counters aren't nearly as effective so she gets a bit of a free ride to bomb people from the air.
They should rebalance Zarya's skins to change her hair colour. Why is this one specific thing apparently too sacrosanct to change?
>>337415472
i think you flatter /v/ bro
nobody cares about their opinion.
>>337409167
Trace shits on Mei in 1v1, git gud
>>337403651
>Removing the 5 Winston 1 Lucio fundraft
>Turning the already cancerous community into assfaggots "wtf need support gg" shit
Fuck right off.
>>337415561
Yeah they get it from twitch streamers.
>>337409413
the fact it has no damage falloff is amazing, the pistol is actually fucking ridiculous and kills everything but tanks 1v1 if they try and follow you
>>337415164
typically when they notice i exist and press buttons
every hero moves at the same movespeed. and you can't expect to stay at hugging range of most squishy enemies when most of them have escape mechanisms. lucio runs fucking fast, mercy flies away, tracer is tracer, widowmaker grappling hooks away, mccree rolls away if he doesn't just straight up murder you, etc.
dash is a pretty long cooldown and can't be used willy nilly, especially if there's a single genji counter on the enemy team that you need to get away from
>>337415718
mm no I think they got it from the > 10 million people that played open/closed beta for all those months.
when they make alterations they actually cite these statistics too.
but sure man
> le ONLYwatch meme
upvotes to the left
>>337401592
Make it so that only allied ults provide any spoken callout.
Enemy ults are not shouted out, leaving only the sfx of their ult to mark them.
>>337415680
Well, technically her hair color changes in the two (horrible) goth skins, so maybe we'll get some better legendary skins for her eventually. It is weird how little the hair color changes on most heroes for their recolors when you compare them to the dramatic palette swaps they use in Heroes of the Storm.
My biggest gripe is that her weapon model in the Arctic/Siberian Front skin is basically the same whereas most legendary skins have completely different weapon models. Getting a cool new view model is half the fun of the skins.
Give bastion damage falloff at long range. He should be able to out snipe Widowmaker and Hanzo for fuck's sake.
>>337403323
This desu, everything else is fine just don't make him so precise at all ranges
>>337411784
>pic related
>>337402731
>>337402880
Found some shitters. Mei is easy to deal with if you aren't pants on head retarded. Faster runback means less punishment for dying. Replacing the runback with something like a longer respawn time would punish heroes with movement speed buffs. Git Gud
>>337415846
>10 million
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5225-WoW-Down-to-5-5-Million-Subscribers-Warcraft-Movie-Trailer-at-BlizzconThat's people that signed up
>>337415823
>every hero moves at the same movespeed
>>337404545
Yeah, give it a bit more damage and range.
Potentially, also let her pop ultimate even while stunned (mid roadhog chain hook, reinhardt charge, mei freeze etc), and let her shoot while charging.
The popping ult while stunned is really only a major buff in vs Mei fights, where Mei has to be a lot more careful about when and where she freezes d.va, though it's pretty good against Roadhog too, who's already a pretty big counter to d.va.
As for the shooting while flying thing, that sounds kinda OP, but I don't think it would be that bad. She can't have her shields up while shooting, so when charging in to battle it would make you choose between going in with your shields up or guns blazing.
Increase the range on Symmetra's close range attack a little bit. It's awkward how close you have to get considering how little health and maneuverability she has. You might think you're close enough but then it fails to connect and you get massacred.
>>337416045
>He should be able to out snipe Widowmaker and Hanzo for fuck's sake.
I know you mean shouldn't, but he doesn't.
Unless you're in an open area, you can just peak to kill a bastion.
There is nothing bastion can do against a sniper. Hes dead the moment he notices he got hit.
>>337412478
>Give bastion an angle limit on where he can aim, so that gives him the ability to be flanked or limit his turning speed past a certain degree.
THIS
ALREADY
HAPPENED
If you actually played the past betas, he could only turn a 90 degree angle. To compensate, they gave him a 1000 hp Reinhardt shield. Guess what? Shitbabies complained.
>>337415680
because goobergators
whenever i see people say "i love zaryas design shes so cool!" i imagine them having a gun to their head because no way anyone would ever actually think that awful combination of "cutesy" pink hair and a butch russian strongwoman would ever work thematically or aesthetically
>>337416045
He does have damage falloff at long range. His fire rate is high enough that if you're hitting some headshots it hardly matters. All hitscan "gun" weapons except for Widowmaker's sniper rifle (and assault rifle, oddly) have damage falloff at range.
For reference, Bastion does 6-20 damage in Recon and 4-15 in Sentry, but since he fires about 30 rounds per second (or roughly 1800 RPM) in Sentry mode it's enough to wreck anything regardless.
It's funny how much people underestimate his Recon gun, though. It's not as accurate as 76 because 76 gets three perfectly accurate shots before he gets any bloom at all, but at close range Bastion does roughly the same if not more DPS if you're hitting all the shots.
Increase Widowmarkers charge time to 2 seconds, and have bodyshots do 135 at max. Time between shots should be increased by 50% and rifle shot ammo consumption should coincide with the charge (ie. 1 at 0% and 5 at 100%), give rifle damage falloff, and lower her health to 175 (she really shouldn't have the same health pool as defense heroes who are on the front lines like Junkrat or Mei). Poison Mine needs to be out for 2 seconds minimum to activate and do 10 DPS. To compensate, have scope minimum charge damage be 30 instead of 15 so it still two-shots 150s, shorten the grapple cooldown to 10 seconds, and poison mine disables abilities for 3 seconds and WM is immune to its effects, so she can throw it near a flank, and back off if it triggers instead of being shredded by an ability, or at least delay or desync a push attempt because their key flankers can't use their E/Shift/Q for a period of time.
Right now she is an amazing offensive hero, but a crappy defensive one. Nerfing her rifle, but giving the mine a short-acting ability denial could counterbalance this, and it's not any more or less cheap than stun mechanics which are present in the game anyhow. It would also give something that could be useful for those that can't aim even though OW has the easiest sniper character seen in eons.
>>337416209
it's actually a pretty good design gameplay wise.
>>337416091
oh genji and tracer actually move at around 9% faster than the rest of the cast, that's interesting
it's still not high enough to actually catch anyone in a fight 90% of the time
>>337401592
I can't do just one, sorry.
>Pharah's Flight speed needs to be a little higher.
>Roadhog's shotgun needs nerfing a tad
>hanzo's ulti needs a cast charge
>widowmaker's firing speed needs a decrease, and her grappling hook needs a shorter CD
>reaper shotgun distance needs greater falloff
>Symmetra needs buffing across the board
>Bastion needs more bullet spread + damage dropoff
>Tobjorn needs his turret to be a bit louder and his main weapon needs less dropoff
>Tracer's bomb needs a slightly longer detonation time, to promote sticking, not just floor-placing
That's all I can think of right now.
>>337416365
>recon
Recon would be goat if he didn't have a retard huge hitbox.
>>337405980
>remove the movement slowdown
While this would make D.va more viable and be balanced overall, I don't think it's a good change.
D.va's niche is about being amazing at flanking, even better than Tracer or Genji, but being much less mobile while in the fight. Making her move faster makes her too much like a Tracer or Genji, her damage and range needs to be upped instead.
She's not as powerful as a Bastian or Roadhog, but can easily flank the enemy in seconds, and has ridiculous survivability.
>>337416426
yeah talking about the visual design though. some people actually think her visual design is good and that anyone who dislikes it is just a misogynist/hater/nerd or whatever
>>337416436
yes but genji can wall climb and double jump, instantly increasing the distance between him and who ever is following him.
>>337416209
I think it's actually because it's loosely based on someone who works at Blizzard and she has a very distinctive short pink hairstyle. It's also in half her sprays, her player icon, etc. They decided it was part of her character's "identity" for better or for worse.
If HotS is any example to go by then over time we're going to see more skins that diverge further and further from that character identity, though, so fingers crossed Zarya gets something decent.
>D.VAs twin sticks slightly increase in choke the more she shoots
Like only a bit and only after the second she shoots, so she can actually kill the people that run away from her.
>>337416602
i thought we were talking about chasing, not running away
what the fuck is this who am i even arguing with about what
i thought this was about shurikens sucking ass
>>337401592
Zenyatta can apply his orbs to himself
Harmony Orb heals him
Discord Orb raises his movement speed
to balance it a little, he no longer has 50 health + 100 shield, instead he just has 150 health
>>337416513
Yeah, pretty much. I think it's designed that way because if he was any smaller he'd be a killing machine. He does have 200 health and 100 armor to compensate slightly, but it doesn't really do all that much.
That said I've seen players with very good hitscan tracking absolutely humiliate people with his recon mode. You gotta tap fire 1-2 shots at a time and absolutely have to get headshots, but if you do he's a fucking monster.
>>337416436
There's a noticeable difference between how fast Pharah and how fast McCree move, and those are two 200 HP Offense heroes.
>>337401592
Add a cooldown to Symmetra's shield and allow her to recast it on allies who are already shielded.
>>337416739
shurikans are amazing if you control your distance from the enemy. It's basically the scout, you go pistol at long range and shotgun close for those bitching meatshots or in genjis case the wombo combo.
>>337405753
>promoting hive mind misinformation
>Being this much of a faggot
Reddit is the next door down friendo
>>337416757
That's... actually a really cool suggestion.
What's the mechanic for self-applying an orb? Pressing the key with no visible target? I can see that getting really annoying since you basically have to look at the ground if there's lots of eligible targets around.
>>337416757
>zenyatta players don't play support and just heal themselves and speedboost
the shield was the perfect option. It heals up minor damage instantly and he stays with his team longer.
I think he just sucks because pubbers can't defend their supports.
>>337401592
Zenyatta doesnt need LoS for Healing, he does need LoS for Debuff and his HP is now 200
>>337416809
Putting 200 extra regenerating health on Tracer sounds fun, thanks.
>>337416081
huh?
https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/730865525056638976
> The world needed heroes, and an incredible 9.7 MILLION of you answered the call. Here's to our next adventure!
just for the open beta
>>337416865
the overall damage is still garbo compared to every other weapon in the game. like, mathematically. d.vas pilot gun is 133 dps. mercys gun is 100 dps. shurikens are 84 dps with m1, and m2 only does more damage at literal melee range. shurikens poo poo
>>337417198
yeah Open beta
anon said open/closed
>>337415718
Probably this but not for the reasons you think. Streamers and Lets Players are notorious for shaping people's decisions whether they mean to or not. If a popular streamer/ Lets Player makes a comment you bet your ass all their fans will parrot that shit over and over.
Soon one idiot's minor gripes (that are mostly due to him looking at the camera too much or trying too hard to be funny instead of playing the game) are seen as a major change that needs to be addressed. If a million people complain about the exact same thing, they must have a point right?
>>337417005
he's literally the least played hero even in competitive, so the general consensus is that he's kinda shit now.
>>337416913
>What's the mechanic for self-applying an orb?
Not that anon but remove the targeting and change it to a ricocheting projectile. Bounce it off a wall at yourself.
>>337417269
.. yes .. ?
do you think you have a point?
>>337417252
>compares what are THE BEST weapons in the game compensating two weako heroes
>to a hero with the best skill set with moderate weapons
>>337417034
>Zenyatta doesnt need LoS for Healing
This was as much of a problem as Discord LoS, but most people weren't around that early in beta and don't know about the issues it caused. Putting Harmony on Tracer, Genji, Winston or whoever else wants to fuck over their backline was a HUGE pain in the ass to deal with.
I'd be okay with it being maybe 5 seconds instead of 3 seconds for Harmony before it returns to no LoS, but that's still a stretch - remember that you only have to catch a glimpse of them within 3 seconds for the timer to reset, so it's actually possible for someone to be outside LoS most of the time and still keep the orb up. They just can't, y'know, be on the other side of the map constantly being healed for free.
>>337417252
Well, yeah, he's primarily a close-ranged combo-centric character. He's not supposed to be able to wreck shit at long range. You harass people down until they're fragile, then one shot combo them.
>>337417330
the discussion was about the closed beta.
OPEN BETA was the thing that happened for those 7 days.
>>337411514
The same reason Bastion is.
You only die to them if you're clinically retarded, assuming a 1v1 situation.
Only a retard can die to Bastion, because his entire kit is neutralized if you duck in and out of cover while taking pot shots. Eventually, he either has to commit to a heal (and you can kill him), moves to stop you from abusing the corner (and you can kill him), or does neither (and your potshots eventually kill him).
Mei can only kill you if you let her get the jump on you (so you deserve to die), you attack before baiting her wall and heal out of her (so you deserve to die), or you try to run away in the middle of the fight without forcing her to heal first (so you deserve to die).
Make D Va's shots do more damage or less damage falloff, but have it use ammo/need to be reloaded. I like the fact that she's supposed to only be effective in close range, but currently her weapons have no effective range, they are shit at point blank and even more shit at close range. Her pistol deals more damage and has better effective range than her mech. The only advantage she has in mech form is mobility, health, and "NERF THIS."
>>337417252
>d.vas pilot gun is 133 dps.
is that headshots?
because 84 is normal bodyshots right?
if so, I want to play pilot d.va
>>337416913
I don't know, maybe holding the orb button?
>>337417005
yeah you're kinda right
but since he can apply one of the orbs, the player would have to choose between
>heal teammate + debuff opponent
>heal self + debuff opponent
>heal teammate + boost self
all the options are still support options
>>337416529
>Ridiculous survivability
>critical area is at the center of mass
>is a massive circle
D.va can't outfight anyone in a 1v1, she doesn't do damage and can't maneuver while firing so if you happen to get the drop on someone they can almost always disengage or run to their team. Against a team that's communicating D.Va literally has no way to flank to properly. Meanwhile, Tracer is able to burst enemies and easily escape, Genji has large burst, a double jump, climbing and reflect if his fight starts to go bad, and tanks like Winston are able to disrupt back lines way better than D.va. She's just not good and her ability to move about quickly is ruined by her massive hitbox, her massive head hitbox and her slow normal speed which causes her to pick between using her boost to engage in a fight, escape, or chase.
>>337409889
this. I don't even think that he's OP, this fucking reaction time is just extremely annoying and probably the most unfun thing about overwatch for me.
I mean, that fucking thing hits you even when you dash past a window with tracer.
hell, they can even buff him in other places as compensation if they need to.
>>337417358
>>337417379
yes i have in fact been saying that shurikens are pretty bad and that he relies on his abilities to deal damage. but people keep saying that shurikens are "amazing" for some reason when they are actually shit garbage out of my rancid asshole. the less you rely on landing difficult shurikens as genji, the better you're going to do. always avoid targets that already see you, and instead go for unaware targets and snipers and other guys that won't juke your bullshit
>>337417553
Honestly, why does she have infinite shots.
Shes designed as a hit and run character. Why not sell this point more instead of giving her an ability that doesn't compliment this playstyle.
>>337417671
Like I said, it's like the scattergun.
looks okay on paper compared to everyone elses crazy, but it's probably the most powerful gun in tf2.
I would make someone say "Psssh....nothin personnel..." when they kills Reaper. Not sure who, since Tracer already says "DEATH COMES"
>>337417543
Bastion does actually get used on Lijang by Luminosity Gaming (Seagull's team) but they build the entire comp around it. There are meta situations where Bastion is amazing but the Bastion player has to have very, very good tracking and his team has to be playing to support him and keep him from getting harassed, one shot, knocked off the map, etc.
I don't think I've seen any games where Mei gets used much in competitive play but I haven't watched too many VODs.
>>337417437
uhhm not it wasn't, go ahead and reply to this with the post where we specified that this was about the CLOSED beta only.
otherwise just suck my dick.
have a nice day.
>>337417837
>Tracer already says "DEATH COMES"
I heard that line for the first time on the last day and almost did a spit take. This game needs more character-specific taunts when you kill enemies like TF2 has. There's some, but they're usually pretty tame (like Reaper/McCree or Zenyatta/Genji having a master/student relationship).
>>337417837
I'm pretty sure I heard Mckree say something along those lines to Reaper, but it might have just been one of his normal lines because that seems like something he'd say.
>>337401592
Nerf the price.
>>337418021
genji says "mock death at your own peril" when killing reaper
>>337401592
Ults should be reset after death.
>>337402938
Id agree if it wasnt obliterated by bastion in maybe 2 seconds.
Torbs turret does more damage over time
it doesn't see you immediantly but the longer it shoots the faster it shoots.
It doesn't punish people that check corners, but it does punish those that try to ignore it.
If you heal it once you heal tripple what you normally heal, every heal after is one third of the normal heal. The heal resets after 3 or so seconds.
You now heal the thing fast enough to save it, and fully heal it, but you're now inclined to kill whoever is shooting it before you heal it again.
It stops turtling and promotes the double team gameplay.
>>337418121
is this a meme now? Teams losing would never be able to make any sort of comeback, why punish a losing team even more? Might as well throw in diminishing returns when you die.
Think.
>>337417962
>>337415846
>10 million people that played open/closed beta for all those months.
>all those months
just admit you were wrong friendo.
Is it me or is DVA just fucking terrible? I'm Korean so I tried using the Korean character and by god I hate her so much.
Her mech shots are basically good for close range only and she moves really slow if you try to shoot while firing. This means your only options are trying to sneak up on someone IN A GIANT, PINK ROBOT, use your thrusters and lose any ability to escape or use your shield and approach someone while hoping no one shoots you from the sides or even behind.
Shit, her cannons are so useless you might as well just make her a melee character since she needs to wade so deep into enemy territory anyway. Make her mecha punch or give it something cool like a pile bunker arm or something.
For some reason I really like Reinhardt, who suffers similar issues. I guess it's because I know he's a melee character to begin with so I don't get mad about trying to use a useless projectile weapon.
>>337417252
No it's fucking not, it's 98 damage in 1.05 seconds I don't know where you got your numbers from.
>>337418309
> doesn't understand the English language.
> is now doubling down on his position
> trying to bait me into further dialogue despite being wrong in order to save face.
> inevitably his next post will be "JUST ADMIT U WERE BRO HAHAHAHHAHAH"
cya kid.
>>337404545
Get in close anon. She's meant to get in the enemy's faces.
The only change D.Va needs is to make her head shot hitbox made slightly smaller or moved when inside the mech.
>>337418304
>games should be won by the losing team because they got a complimentory ult
Yeah I get what you mean, but fuck every game or push is decided by the ult spam.
>>337418187
Is that chair sitting on a chair while reading a magazine about chairs?
I fucking love stupid bullshit like that.
>>337418415
Sorry, this was about D.va's pistol, to be clear
Fuck, take this shit to /vg/. God damn.
>>337418350
I should also mention I hate her bitchy personality so, so, so much. But that's not really related to gameplay at all.
Why was Audrey from Huniepop the only likeable bitch?
>>337418350
I know how often this is a meme answer, but you're seriously just playing her wrong. Her entire kit is built around being a big shitty distraction, not getting non-ult kills. The guns are just there as a way to draw someone's attention/as a last resort.
>>337418057
This. I don't want to spend 40 presidents on a game that might last me only a couple of months.
>>337418438
It takes almost 10 shots to kill a tracer (150 health) at point blank.
She needs a damage buff.
>>337401592
nerf roadhog's chain range
make bastion's turret have more spread, give him back his shield that i've heard he had before
give winston's shields more hp
make everyone's melee attack do more damage or make certain characters who thrive at being up close do more (genji in particular)
do something to the robo buddha, he seems kinda weak
>>337418445
If you don't like the enemy getting ults, play Roadhog or Mei.
>>337418587
>big shitty distraction
>shitty
yeah that's fucking true.
Bitch has essentially 250 health.
>>337418587
Is that so? I find that hilarious actually and it kinda makes me feel better for some reason. I can totally see DVA being an attention whore female streamer or something, so being an attention whore on the battlefield would suit her perfectly.
>>337418604
Here in New Zealand the game is $60 and the stores only sell the collector's editions for $220. But games are always overpriced here. Pokken is fucking $110.
>>337418659
>nerf roadhog's chain range
It's not hitscan. If you're getting hit by it at a huge range, you deserve to be hit.
>>337418730
except everyone gets an ult every (Minute?) by doing nothing.
>>337417635
D.va's a lot more effective outside of her mech than most people figure. She's good at getting in there, getting something done, and then running away, letting her mech get destroyed if she has to.
Her pistol does very nearly almost as much damage as her canons, and with better range, and her hit box is tiny and her movement speed decent. On top of that, it's surprisingly hard to hit D.va when she escapes from her mech, and people are just unbelievably retarded when it comes to remembering that she's there at all. In a lot of fights, even if your mech gets destroyed, you can still finish off whoever you were fighting with your pistol and escape.
>>337411514
>Overwatch
>Competitive meta
wut?
>>337418916
there is a competitive meta for overwatch.
>>337409276
I fucking hate widowmaker, shits piss easy with an escape and an easy way to deal with close range targets. She also does insane damage with her chagre shots so you don't even need to go for headshots. Hanzo has zero escape and pretty much losses to tracer or genji as soon as they get close unless you get lucky with a scatter arrow.
>>337418959
This game is absolutely not designed to be competitive. It's like HotS in terms of casual mechanics.
>>337418791
Different regions have different prices, nothing new. I'm not paying in dollars myself, just using them since this is a burgerboard.
Roadhogs chain hooks actually pull the enemy infront of roadhog instead of what ever the fuck they do now.
I've had people stuck on buildings, people pulled behind me, people pulling me all sorts of things.
>>337418849
>in a large area
>roadhog and me on opposite sides of the area
>get hit by the chain for a free kill
how do i deserve to get hit by this? it's range is ridiculous and is made especially more ridiculous since doing it into a shotgun blast is a insta kill on most of the cast. Just because it's not hitscan doesn't mean that it's range isn't retarded
>>337418037
McCree says "Someone had to do it, seems fittin' it'd be me"
>>337410702
I fucking love doing this to Roadhog's. Makes my penis swell.
>>337418868
ults are all counterable in some manner.
>>337418868
Yeah, and you can throw out a wall or a hook every 10 seconds.
Shit, with Mei, you have two ult-blocking cooldowns.
>>337419017
interesting opinion,
you may want to contact Blizzard because I'm not sure they know that.
also you may want to tell the sponsors to pull out
and the tournaments that have already been run to refund the prize money because it's "not designed to be competitive."
:)
>>337419078
If the Roadhog can see even a tiny part of you, it counts it as you being in his line of sight and therefore hook-able.
>>337419120
widowmakers too :^)
>>337410702
Pretty shitty ult when you could have just boosted it in there.
>>337419147
The competitive scene is going to crash and burn like HotS's. Blizzard games aren't made to be competitive, leave that shit to Valve.
>>337419236
Like starcraft?
>>337417152
Is there a reason you think it would be stacking with this change?
>>337419236
You mean like League where the scene literally only exists because the developer throws inordinate sums of money at it?
Yeah Blizz can't do that they're only the richest developer backed by the richest publisher in the world.
Again, sweet opinion.
>>337419083
>in a large area
>Widowmaker and me on opposite sides of the area
>get hit by the headshot for a free kill
Oh, yeah. The problem is definitely a broken attack, and not just the expected result of someone not putting cover between themselves and the people that outrange them.
>>337419147
It's a casual party brawler in a first person shooter form. No amount of smileys will change that.
5 gamemodes
Ranked: 1 hero per team, maybe a bit longer respawn times, and slightly longer overtime
Standard: same as above without ranking
Free play: As it is now
Custom: shitload of mutators
Random mode: as it is now
>>337419236
The Competitive scene will exist, in Korea and Korea only.
Just like with Starcraft.
The rest of the world will drop OW like a stone unless it's made F2P.
Why did Blizzard make Zarya so cute, bros?
How am I supposed to focus on the game with her being so qt all the time, bros?
>>337419337
SC2 is dead. We aren't talking about old Blizzard here.
>>337419369
Throwing money at something doesn't mean shit. At least LoL has people playing it. The LoL comp scene is a joke anyhow.
>>337419369
> that feel ur blizz and only worth billions of dollars.
> that feel u'll NEVER compete with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS that riot games bring in every year.
>>33741937920 tick
>>337419468
> billions of dollars.
>HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
the joke right?
>>337419379
I'm pretty sure the problem is that his chain range is ridiculous for how he plays
>>337419549
pls dont bully me sir or I'll be forced to trace ur ip
>>337401592
>all the "they were right" guys on the left
One nerf - add a delay to Junkrat's concussion mine/bear trap so he can't use the former to escape fights at melee range by blowing himself away damage free and damaging opponents and the latter so he can't throw it out in desperation to trap opponents and have them be killed by his passive skill.
One buff - remove/shorten mei's delay on her alt fire.
>>337419570
Your problem is that a short-range fighter with no advanced movement options has a single option for getting a single enemy into his effective range?
>>337418438
Without a damage boost, she's just a worst Roadhog or Winston. Even when up close, she does jack shit damage.
Giving her a damage boost would help with her being a hit-and-run type tank, which is what blizzard wants her to be. It's ridiculous that her pistol deals more damage than she her mech.
>>337419384
Again, tell the developer, sponsors, and tournament hosts that.
Your opinion doesn't change this.
But I see your argument consists of nothing more than
> me no like game me no like competitive so u no like either.
So I'll leave you to it.
Have a good one.
Reduce Mei's ammo capacity, preferably to 100-125 (from 200) but at least to 150.
>that new symettra comic
>MENTAL TURMOIL AND EMOTION
at least they're trying I guess.
>>337415641
The console version plays so differently I almost wanna say they should balance them separately.
>>337419824
>me like game me like competitive so u like either
This is you.
>>337420329
> Developer: this game is designed for competitive play
> Sponsors: we believe this game is ideal for competitive play so we're throwing literal money at it.
> Players: we believe this game is for competitive play.
> Tournament hosts: we see this game is built for competitive play and has a playerbase so we will host tournaments for this game at cost to us.
> You: no its' not competitive.
simple.
>>337420458
What tournaments?
What sponsors?What players?
>>337420509
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrWWapPUkeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmnBsGormc0
This is the part where you were merely pretending, right?
>>337420127
They already said they plan on doing that in the long term. I'm not sure when that's going to start, though. The main takeaway at the time was that console issues wouldn't affect PC balance, but the reverse is going to have to be true if they're going to continue supporting the console versions.
Blizzard has a terrible track record for support any console releases but I think they have said that they're going to do things differently this time around. We'll have to see if that actually happens. Personally, I don't really give a shit since I'll be on PC.
>>337405119
You are misunderstanding that post.
>>337420509
Let me help you.
re: tournaments -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=competitive+overwatch+tournaments
re: sponsors -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=competitive+overwatch+sponsors
re: teams -> both links above feature the teams.
simple.
>>337420458
Your whole point is that as long as the publisher is willing to throw money on tournaments their game is competitive.
>>337405753
auto aims ults can be stopped if your good and the auto aim weapons suck.
Soldier 76 ult isn't going to kill tanks instantly only squishy heroes will die plus you will burn through your ammo and reload alot.
Mcree's ult takes time based on the heroes health and plus you will die if you don't use it in a good position.
Reapers ult has a range to it and plus you move slow and can die.
Winston's gun sucks
Symmetra gun takes time to do tons of damage
her turrets AI controlled turret of coarse auto aim and the turrets die in one no matter what.
Torbjorns turret again AI and also it has a range so snipers should get their shit together and kill the turret at a range. but for real torbjorn is op
Roadhog's chain aim assist sucks cause people miss alot.
all so the other heroes have faults too
Bastions turret has range for damage the farther your target the less damage they will take so again snipers counter.
Reapers guns shotguns with spread shot hard to miss duh. also close range for lots of damage.
Tracer primary guns sub machine guns with tiny bit of spread also you close range when firing.
Reinhardt GIANT HAMMER duh, but for real you can miss fast characters and good Genji's
Zenyatta orb of discard of course its a skill it locks on with out it Zenyatta would suck.
Winston ult also melee of course your not going to miss but also it does piss poor damage its a push off point ult.
Pharah ult is rockets, they explode hard to miss. also the ult can be stopped cause your standing still in the middle of the sky most of the time.
Roadhog's gun shotgun SPREAD SHOT. plus ranged damage. also his ult spread even more then your regular shot.
>>337420740
>>337420646
> in b4 all of this is dismissed out of hand and the other guy goes 100% full commit to retard mode.
t-10
9
8
>>337420835
Zarya ult is a black hole it sucks people in. also its does no damage its just a setup ult for other heroes and Zarya is the hardest tank to play.
Tracer ult its a sticky bomb, plus 90% of people use its at close range so hard not to hit,
Mei primary is a close range spray of ice that slow characters and freeze them.
Mei ult aoe attack of course its hits
Genji ult its a LONG ASS SWORD FOR MELEE plus Genji dies really really fast if your not smart
D.va guns are basically shotgun machine guns with spread
D.va ult ITS A NUKE
>>337420802
Maybe go back and read all my posts and not just snip one line out of context to make your point.
>>337420740
>>337420646
To be fair the cheating accusations against Surefour and Taimou have tainted the tournaments a bit. I think the only reason they haven't gotten kicked off their respective teams is how little coverage the beta tournaments had and how small the prize pools were. Once post-release tournaments start happening - especially anything leading up to a Blizzcon finals - there's going to be a lot more scrutiny and the shit they're pulling isn't going to fly.
>>337420458
CS:GO is more competitive than Overwatch
>>337421107
Its confusing to me how you can think that's an argument.
How old are you?
>>337420646
Wait the 'sponsor' is one guys Twitch channel?
It's not like actual sponsors who are paying bigbux - it's a random guy paying $20 to the winners?
WHOA.
>>337419782
Funny you should say that, because in a fight with Winston and Roadhog she wins every time because she outputs more damage than them up close.
D.Va is able to shred everyone when actually up in their face. Her only issue is her large critical hitbox in the middle of her mech.
But that's mitigated by the fact that outside of the mech it takes all of a 2 minutes max to get a new mech if you're landing shots with her pistol.
The fact that D.Va almost never actually dies is absurd as it is. Literally git gud.
Remove all inaccuracy bloom, replace with recoil.
>omnics are basically an allegory for a much worse nazi germany
>they all get free world wellfare and turned into lazy hippies
>they are forced back into societies that had their families killed by them, and get to keep their titles of their death march
So fuck omnics right?Also genji is true tragedy, imagine being both human and robot in a world seperated by the two
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