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>what I expected
>what I got
be glad you're getting a new game, retard
http://store.steampowered.com/app/289070/
>>337393746
fuck off house negro
>Civilization VI offers new ways to engage with your world: cities now physically expand across the map, active research in technology and culture unlocks new potential, and competing leaders will pursue their own agendas based on their historical traits as you race for one of five ways to achieve victory in the game.
>EXPANSIVE EMPIRES:
See the marvels of your empire spread across the map like never before. Each city spans multiple tiles so you can custom build your cities to take full advantage of the local terrain.
>ACTIVE RESEARCH:
Unlock boosts that speed your civilization’s progress through history. To advance more quickly, use your units to actively explore, develop your environment, and discover new cultures.
>DYNAMIC DIPLOMACY:
Interactions with other civilizations change over the course of the game, from primitive first interactions where conflict is a fact of life, to late game alliances and negotiations.
>COMBINED ARMS:
Expanding on the “one unit per tile” design, support units can now be embedded with other units, like anti-tank support with infantry, or a warrior with settlers. Similar units can also be combined to form powerful “Corps” units.
>ENHANCED MULTIPLAYER:
In addition to traditional multiplayer modes, cooperate and compete with your friends in a wide variety of situations all designed to be easily completed in a single session.
>A CIV FOR ALL PLAYERS::^)
Civilization VI provides veteran players new ways to build and tune their civilization for the greatest chance of success. New tutorial systems introduce new players to the underlying concepts so they can easily get started.
>>337393996
>>337393713
>muh art direction
I don't mind the game art, but it really clashes with the promo art, and the trailer too. They don't seem like they belong together.
>6 (SIX) Civ games
>still no Alpha Centauri 2
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>337393672
Literally the best video game box art i have ever seen.
How did the fuck up the art style this much?
>>337393672
>>337393672
>>337393713
Why are firaxis so fucking awful?
>>337394359
>low res textures and zero detail is a art style
this is just a rushed cash in on the companies recent success and not a game that has been in development for years
>>337393713
>>337393996
>graphics matter in a strategy game
>>337393672
>>337393713
>>337393996
Can Firaxis PLEASE just hand the designer reins over to these two instead?
Even they seem to understand Civ better than whatever clowns are trying to turn the franchise into a mobile shitfest for toddlers. >>337394134
>>337395493
art style is just a cover for rushed work so shills can use "it's a art style" as a excuse
>>337395405
>What is Beyond Earth (besides mediocre, I mean)
>>337393713
Looks just like beyond earth, let's hope it plays like it.
This game looks like a literal $2.00 mobile shovelware game.
>from primitive first interactions where conflict is a fact of life, to late game alliances and negotiations.
so pretty much 5's war focus but more forced on the player from turn 1
>>337393672
>>337393713
>>337393996
>>337394134
>>337395141
>>337395493
>>337396003
>>337396078
>>337396084
Can we finally admit that BE actually wasn't that bad and will probably be remembered as a far better game than Civ 6: Revolutions for Mobile?
>>337396084
Those textures are higher rez and have more detail than Civ V. You just don't like the direction they're going with the colors and simplified terrain.
>>337396684
hi firaxis employee who knows the resolution of the textures because no one looking at a blurry ass ground textures could say it was high resolution without having access to the fucking files
Whats the fuck are they doing to this game?
Oh, cool
Civ for mobileI would legitbuythat
>>337397156
cashing on the companies recent success and branching out the series audience to the casuals that just found out they existed while leaving the older fans behind like usual
>>337393672
Good thing they didn't use this box art to tease the announcement a few days in advance. Still, seeing the art first and then seeing the screenshots immediately after was the quickest I've ever had my hype killed.
I'm really confused why the tone suggested by the promo art is so different from that of the visuals.
>>337397395
it's to pretend it's a civ game since that art style is close to how the older civ games looked
the only good thing that will come out of civ 6 is this sick new OC i made
>>337396681
Early warfare is fine. BNW destroyed early warfare by making it too cheap, and making every civ hate you for half the game because you dared to take that forward settled 1 pop city (because technically that was half their empire).
>>337397681
too expensive*
This is the best box art ever. Im going to get a framed poster of it even if the game sucks
>>337394134
Additional Mechanic Info (as gathered from articles)
What we know about Cities so far
>Instead of taking up a single tile, cities can now expand across multiple tiles
>Everything is now placed on the map, blowing the cities apart. All of the upgrades that you build are now spread across the landscape in the area of control of each city.
>Each City is now comprised of districts
>There are a total of twelve district types, each with a different role and different bonuses with the terrain, limited by population
>Cities can still control up to 36 hexes but the number of improvements that they’ll need to work the land has been reduced, with districts moving in to fill the gaps.
>City upgrade paths now revolve around a matter of geographic practicality.
>The happiness level will be focused on a city level, rather than on a global basis across your civilization
>Harbours can be built on water tiles (additionally "If you do, you can’t build something else in that tile, like a Wonder")
>City tile limits are the same
>Districts can be containers for additional buildings (holy sites that will eventually house religious buildings such as churches or temples)
What we know about the Buildings so far
>Harbour
>Holy Site - Bonus if built near mountain or woods
>Industrial Zone
>Military Encampment - Where your military buildings go (Barack's, Stables), can not be built next to your city
>Center
>Research Campus - Bonuses if built near Jungle, Rainforest and Mountains
What we know about the Wonders so far
>Wonders now also exist on the map, each taking up their own tile.
>Wonders have terrain requirements
>Stonehenge - Must be built near Stone
>The Colossus - Must be built near coast
>The Great Lighthouse - Must be built near coast
>The Pyramids - Must be built on Desert
(cont)
>>337397681
but it implies that as far as early diplomacy goes so it's basically forced on you
>>337397586
>go on civfanatics
>they're complaining that the gandhi nuke meme is continuing
>>337397919
Science
>Every technology has its own realism-based mini-quest, which speeds up research when completed, providing a substantial boost to its progress even if the player hasn’t reached it on the tech tree yet. For instance, founding a coastal city or building ships will accelerate related nautical technologies
>For example, the masonry boost requires stone blocks and quarries. You can research that tech by hand without access to stone, but if you can find a quarry site and get one up and going, you unlock the tech boost and that gives you half of the research points needed for masonry
>Tech-boosts called "Eureka Moments"
Combat and Diplomacy
>Diplomacy will be overhauled but Firaxis aren’t ready to talk about the specifics of that just yet
>Diplomacy begins very informally, with the sending of gifts, basic trading and declarations of war. Eventually becomes formalised and more complex as embassies and their ambassadors spread across the world.
>There will be more than one way to declare war.
>Support units can now be embedded with other units, like anti-tank support with infantry, or a warrior with settlers. (These are units that are more sensibly depicted as special equipment embedded with a larger unit rather than standalone figures on the map.)
>Similar units can also be combined to form powerful “Corps” units.
>Units can now be organised into a formation, which means they’ll always move together rather than having to be shuffled across the map one at a time.
>Formations can be applied to large collections of military units or civilian units and their escorts.
>Bombers can destroy improvements/districts
>Diplomacy made to focus less on warfare as time goes on.
AI
>AI is said to have been improved
>Every AI leader in the game now has a set of agendas – personality quirks that inform how they approach the game
>AI characters will change over the course of a game, based largely on how you interact with them.
(cont)
That is some pretty badass box art, at least.
>>337393672
>>337397395
the funniest part about this is that atlas holding the earth is a super new concept. The ancients believe he held the sky itself. Can't they have one fucking historian working on it?
>>337397586
I like it, good work anon
>>337398034
Other Mechanics:
>Fog of War looks like a map; areas you explore look like a hand drawn map in areas you've already explored.
>Players will be aided with a color code system, so they can drop pins on certain tiles in order to remind themselves that this might be a great place for a factory, some time in the future.
>Religion, Archaeology, Trade Routes and Espionage are confirmed to be in the base game
>Great Works, with "gorgeous" new presentation and interactivity
>Tourism and cultural victory type dynamics are back
>One victory type removed, one added, and steps to get to others changed
Engine
>Civ VI will be running on a brand new engine
>Civ VI will be far more moddable because of said engine (and is stated to be more moddable than Civ V, although that's not hard).
>New Multiplayer modes intended to be completed within a single session of a few hours.
>For example, a campaign that starts at the beginning of the middle ages, and runs until the end of the Renaissance.
>From there, a specific victory condition is added – for instance, the player with the strongest religion wins.
>Every building in the game is modelled.
>Can zoom down to the level where you can see see birds flying around the building
>According to the IGN video, Gandhi's gonna have some friends in terms of people you love and hate. Additionally the Sphinx, Great Wall of China, Colosseum, and Forbidden Palace were described as "two World Wonders and two Unique Improvements, but it's not clear which is which." I personally believe that the Great Wall belongs to China as a UI and the Colosseum belongs to Rome (two Chinese wonders are listed there). A border wall for China is especially innovative.
(END)
>>337397586
7.5 / 10
>>337398217
Might be neat.
>Fog of war Map
>"planning" pins
>Tech mini-quests.
Really might be neat.
>>337398125
>hiring a historian to advise you with nitpicky details in your casual history theme TPS
>not just throwing shit in and copy pasting from wikipedia into the civilopedia
I like it. Besides, Civ 4 was cartoony too.
Please god tell me they are going to make a good base game this time
>>337398680
>>Religion, Archaeology, Trade Routes and Espionage are confirmed to be in the base game
maybe, I wouldn't risk it though
>>337393672
I've never played a Civ game before, or any types of these games. Where do I start?
>>337398668
civ iv looks closer to v than vi
>>337398928
It is easy, play one random civ game
Is it just over saturated is all?
>>337394359
Why is the art direction for the box art totally different tho
>>337399057
But which one is the best one
This is already looking much better than Civ5 vanilla. The new mechanics from EL are looking 10/10 as well. I'm hyped.
Why is it always Civ 4 faggots who ruin Civ threads?
>>337399191
It's like Oblivionfags. God I hate them so much
Why is it always the 4th?
>>337395405
BE was the spiritual sequel to SMAC and was shit. You can't trust Firaxis to actually make it good.
SMAC's copyright itself belongs to EA.
>>337399096
Is this an iOS game?
>>337399339
It's the same screenshot as earlier in the thread, I just turned down the saturation. Guess it's still not great then.
>>337399270
Exactly. Civ 3 is the best in the series, and has the best mods aswell.
Civ 3 HD when?
>>337399191
>>337399270
When it's your first game in the series, it's what you use to judge the others.
>>337399156
Everyone have different taste, try the last one with all the expansion, for me is the best one
>>337399096
>those horses
>those trees
jesus christ they look terrible. Wish they went to more realistic graphics desu, this is civ revolution tier
looks clean and easy to read. That's good for a strategy game
>>337393996
don't tell me the Egyptians are niggers
The designers should take at the older Anno games like 1404, how they look """"cartoony"""" but still gorgeous and readable, unlike that muddy mess that was Civ5.
>he cares about the graphics in a strategy game
>>337400053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvBf6WBatk0
Tell me the first word you hear
>>337398217
>>One victory type removed, one added, and steps to get to others changed
World Leader is gone, right? What kind of victory did you think replaced it? Something related to religion?
>>337400124
you make a good point
lets just take chess, and replace all the pieces with dildos, and the board is now a pizza
>>337400163
WUZ
>>337400210
Also, Teddy Roosevelt confirmed for USA leader, right?
>>337400214
i wouldn't mind honestly
>>337400163
this been a meme year, is this what kojima warned us about?
>>337400447
Of course you wouldn't
>>337399096
I like the style of the units but the ground, scenery, buildings and horses all look terrible to me
>>337400163
>shows map of Africa
>"WE"
kek
>>337400214
don't be silly. even if you have chess with cartoon graphics its still chess.
>>337400163
WE WUZ KINGS N SHIET MUH NIGGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkaX6tyq9pI
>>337397919
>>Instead of taking up a single tile, cities can now expand across multiple tiles
So they're taking cues from endless legend huh
>>337400163
Civ 5 announcer was 10 times better
>>337393713
>>337393996
>>337394134
Man, I only now realized how Endless Legend has spoiled me. This game looks so bland by comparison
>>337398217
>Civ VI will be far more moddable because of said engine (and is stated to be more moddable than Civ V, although that's not hard).
Sounds good.
>>337400820
>>337400949
Half the presspack sounds like they're describing Endless Legend
It's all good though, I love EL, but it just can't compete with Civ's mememoments due to leader-personality shenanigans
>>337400163
The blurred the fucking nipples in a painting about FREEDOM
>Americans
Man, the worst thing about all this is that a lot of the mechanics being described actually sound pretty good to me. Some of them because they're obviously lifted from other games, but I really don't care.
If I had any belief in Firaxis as devs at this point, I'd be hyped as shit for Civ6, shitty art-style or not.
>>337401318
this was the first thing I bitched about in the trailer.
It's a classical painting that is telling a story and they blur it RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR SPEEL ABOUT WE WUZ HOOMANS
Fucking firaxis.
>>337401318
>>337401467
I wonder why Americans are so offended by titties but are fine showing a persons brains all over the floor from a gunshot.
Am I the only one who likes this art style? I think it suits it. The only thing that is putting me off from Civ is that they made changes for it to be more fast paced. I think Civ 5 pace was perfect, especially the long games. Anyway what is your guys views on this art style on a serious level.
alright /v/ give it to me straight. How is BE? Is it worth getting?
ITT: People who never played Civ IV.
Civ IV was very cartoony.
>>337401617
>Anyway what is your guys views on this art style on a serious level.
Looks shit, seriously
>>337401661
For ten bux, sure.
Full price? Hell no
>>337401661
>How is BE
Shit. DOA.
>Is it worth getting?
No.
>>337401467
I found it hilarious that it was included in a whole 'human progress' spiel.
>>337401583
idk im >>337401467
and im american.
I've never understood it at all. I think neither is offensive.
It just struck me as REALLY disingenuous to have that inspiring speech and then blur it.
I don't know what I expected though. Of course they werent going to show tits in a trailer, not that it should matter.
>>337401318
>vandalizing that painting
why even show it, there's a million other ones they could pick instead
>>337401678
There's 'cartoony' and then there's 'mobile cartoony', guess where Civ VI's artstyle falls.
>Civilization Revolution tier consoleized graphics for tablets
>$59.99 for early access without the updates, $79.99 if you want the full game patched in later, not including what should just be the real DLC
Fuck that, there's plenty of life left in Civ5 and BE not to get this until its all bundled together in the GOTY bundle at a 60% discount.
Also, pic related. Why they've never gone back and tried to expand on what they've already perfected is beyond me.
>>337401753
Thats perfectly understandable. What is your opinion on the graphics style? Do you think it should have been realistic like how Total war series ones is.
>>337393672
How many of these games do they expect me to buy? Fuckin' SCAM
>>337401858
Nah, I don't have an issue with a cartoony artstyle, but this is an overkill. It literally looks like a mobile title. Maybe if there wasn't an oversaturation from the mobile market I wouldn't be bitching, but as it is, CIV VI looks shoddy
>>337401853
I still don't get how they fucked up Beyond Earth so bad. It's just Civ V in space but less content. Did they forget that Alpha Centauri even exists?
>>337399916
shouldn't instant readability matter less in a turned based game?
>>337400163
>adagio in D minor
When did they stop trying
>>337402118
I'm not a fan of how they nickle and dimed Civ V with DLC either. Early Access gets a lot of shit, but at the end of the day you usually get a full game out of it for the original price you payed. This "base" game at launch, patched in features trough DLC thing is both greedy and dishonest. Just extend the fucking development time and charge more at initial release.
Anyone else hopes they revamp the espionage completely? It was useless in V. They should just steal Endless Legend's capabilities.
Maybe keep the "favors" system from BE too, but revamped as well.
>>337401853
EA owns SMAC so they can't make a direct sequel. As to why they never tried to implement things like terraforming, decent unit customization and good OC donut steal leaders in BE? It's simply because they're retarded.
>>337402287
It's nice to have regardless
>>337402547
It's more because Civ5's engine can't handle terraforming
which by the way, civ6 looks like a reskinned civ5 so far so it's probably going to be another BE as far as engine capabilities go
>>337396950
Those textures are a high resolution and you need to wipe the cum off your glasses if they look blurry to you.
>>337396682
No it's shit, and will always be shit. Everything I've read on Civ VI shows its going to be an improvement over V. Your just butt hurt shitposters that are grasping to anything to say its shit. Heres your (You).
civ5 is on sale, should I?
looking forward to the shitposting when it's revealed zulu are back
>>337402917
Sure, go for the complete edition if you want the game with its full features and more content than you'll ever be likely to go trough.
>>337403147
yea, if you buy it, you definitely want the expansions. The vanilla game is pretty bad compared to the expansions
>>337403147
Yea its only like extra 2$ and from what I read the expansion packs improve it massively
>>337403380
it's just hilarious
>>337394134
>>A CIV FOR ALL PLAYERS: :^)
>Civilization VI provides veteran players new ways to build and tune their civilization for the greatest chance of success. New tutorial systems introduce new players to the underlying concepts so they can easily get started.
How is "Different difficulties and a tutorial" still a fucking selling point? It should be standard.in b4 /v/ rages about tutorials.
>>337403527
What's the absolute kicker is that the original is so sparse on the details you can't even see the nipples. But they still had to censor it.
>>337399096
fixed it more
>>337401318
My version wasnt blurred like that at all wtf.
>>337396343
>beyond earth existed
God damn how did they make colonising a new planet boring
>>337403670
Needs more cinematic shitposting.
>>337403964
DELETE THIS
>>337399096
>legit looks like Clash of Clans
wew lad
Are all these retards saying BE was good actually think this or is it just max shitposting?
>>337404391
people have mistaken 'playable' for 'good'
>>337398034
>AI is said to have been improved
I'll believe it when I see it.
>>337400918
the narrator for Civ V was shit and paled in comparison to Spock. Seen Been is a huge step up
The gameplay improvements sound pretty good although I do prefer the realistic aesthetic of Civ V.
I am curious as to what the leader cutscenes will look like. Will they be normally proportioned or full-blown caricatures?
>>337404391
Look at this.
Now look at >>337393713
Now tell me with a straight face that Civ 6 will be better.
>>337400163
Will he be the American leader?
>>337404926
The fucking city names are in the way
>>337404926
It can't be worse than BE
>>337404917
>it's Civ Rev type leaders complete with the vaguely foreign sounding gibberish instead of native languages
Guys. I want to get into an RTS. I loved playing Rise of Nations years ago.
Which Civ should I get if I just want to play Single Player? 3, 4, or 5? I keep hearing different things about them, that one is better than the other for X and the other's better for Y... I just don't know which to pick.
I want a simple one. I'm thinking Civ 5 is the best b/c it's the latest one and probably looks best, too. Civ 3 came out in 2001. Their "modern age" must be outdated to our times today.
>>337404926
>>337405064
WILL IT RUN ON DX12???
>>337404964
I hope so
>filename
>>337405393
Civ isn't RTS, it's 4X
>>337405393
Civ isn't RTS ya mong
>>337394134
>A CIV FOR ALL PLAYERS
This is what I'm worried about. This is PR speak for casualization and dumbing down of the game to pander to fucking normies and pink-haired insufferable cunts. It would be like Sim City all over again.
They should just leave those "people" to their CoDs and BFs.
>>337405393
>I want to get into an RTS
>Which Civ should I get
Civ aren't RTS games... play command and conquer 2 tho
>>337405463
it's actually TBS
>>337405463
>Civ isn't RTS, it's 4X
Civ is TBS. Both RTS and TBS can be 4X.
>>337405514
They say that with every new part and don't kid yourself, Civ has always been a semi-casual title. Even my gf plays it and it's the only game series besides HoMM and Sims she's ever played.
>>337393996
mobile games were a mistake
>>337405463
>>337405494
>>337405524
FUCK. I mean fucking grand strategy 4X. My bad.
But yeah, which one anons?
>>337405514
I never really understood the hate for making a game accessible. As long as they aren't dumbing down the mechanics it shouldn't be an issue. The UI improvements they made from 4 to 5 were fantastic.
Do you seriously think people who play CoD and BF will look at Civ VI and think "yeah that's my kind of game"?
>>337405704
3 4 and 5 are all pretty different from each other actually, but imo they're all good. Just get the complete packages.
I'd say play 5 so that 6 won't feel out of place as it seems it's gonna grow from it.
>modded civ 5 is a fun and a great deal
>civ:be is garbage, will be humble bundle tier soon
optimal strategy is just play civ 5 until the reviews are in for civ 6, why pre-order?
If you want a change of pace in your 4x, play stellaris
>>337400163
We memed this trailer into existance. 4chinz does it again
>>337405704
Civ5 is super easy to get into, i haven't tried the rest.
Age of Wonders 3 is great too, i find AOG3 easier and faster to play with friends.
both games have the problem of, if you have too many AIs or if you play for several hundreds of turns the AIs turns will take minutes, which renders the games unplayable.
Do we know what civilizations they're adding yet?
Are they going to do that stupid shit again where every single Indian, Arabic and Iranian civilization is lumped together?
Are we going to get Zulus and Shoshones again while leaving out Angkor and the Timurids?
>>337406086
>Age of Wonders 3 is great too
Holy wow that looks awesome. Hell yeah man. A 4x game with a medieval fantasy setting.
>Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou?
>>337397360
>>337405514
>>337405689
Yeah, we need to stop this casual shit. Civilization should be a HARDCORE series for HARDCORE people such as ourselves. All of the gameplay should be done through spreadsheets sent via fax machine. The graphics should be detailed enough for me to see a droplet of sweat running down Catherine's tit as she spreads out on a couch in front of her fireplace in a lascivious pose. My TITAN X should melt through my case trying to render individual blades of grass that I will only look at once. I will not be happy with this game until I am of a select few who can enjoy it, thereby giving me a sense of superiority that I can't attain otherwise.
>>337406609
please keep your posts anonymous
>>337406609
>A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse!
>>337401583
>>337401826
>I wonder why Americans are so offended by titties but are fine showing a persons brains all over the floor from a gunshot.
It's a common misconception. Next to nobody in the US gives a single shit whatsoever about nudity/sexual imagery. The companies in the US that refuse to show even a nipple in a classic piece of art in their branded presentation know this as well and they don't blur shit because it might get them an angry letter or two from a couple obese moms living in Swampass, Arkansas... They choose to blur it because advertisers, investors, donators, and presenters know that the smallest minorities are the most vocal.
Basic cable in the US is legally allowed to show whatever they want at any time. Yes, it's true: Nickelodeon and TLC could air hardcore interacial gay dungeon porn 24/7, 365 without a single fine given or law broken. They care about the bottom line, and if they're getting a check for 500,000 USD from Tide Detergent and Tide receives obese southern mom letters enough to where some inbred Louisiana church forms a boycott of Tide, the few thousand dollars lost (which is less than a drop in the bucket to them) just isnt worth advertising on those channels in their eyes. They want to remain "family friendly happy mommy" etc in their products, or else another company will come along and be as strict with their placement as Tide refused to care about and eventually, years from now, take over that chunk of the market.
No one gives a shit. I'd argue that there are fewer people who give a shit about tits on TV than their are violent Tumblr whores throwing blood at the men at a LGBT presentation just for being men. It's capitalism plain and simple; albeit taken to the extreme in this case.
As soon as the Diabetic Bibleboy states in the deep South either have a generation of kids where the average IQ is above 70 or all die off from chronic Blue Drink syndrome, Tide will whip out the tittays.
>>337406130
Zulus are just a legacy civ in this series who got into the first game because of the movie Zulu. It's been 25 years, stop bitching about them getting in over your more important but still relatively niche idea for a civ.
>>337406609
>using a religious quote for euphoria posting
Try something else, like
>There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance
>>337406970
I don't really mind the Zulus, but don't pretend Shoshones aren't bullshit. They're hunter-gathers, basically the exact same as Abos. New Guinea is more of a civilization that they are.
I'm not seeing the reason here for all the complaints.
Yeah, it looks cartoony to a point, oversaturated as fuck, and the people look like action figures made of plastic while the environment looks like paper mache and clay miniatures.
In other words, they based the virtual version of a permavirgin Games Workshop club on the visuals of every 12'x12' 'world' built over 3 years time in the Games Workshop manager's single-mom's basement. Isnt that the point?
>>337407231
>new guinea
>civilization
>>337407592
>In other words, they based the virtual version of a permavirgin Games Workshop club on the visuals of every 12'x12' 'world' built over 3 years time in the Games Workshop manager's single-mom's basement. Isnt that the point?
um. what
>>337407231
I don't think the Shoshone 'deserve' it but I couldn't give any less of a fuck that didn't. They're fun to play and have a cool theme tune. They're complete tokenism of course, added solely because people just wanted another native NA civ. Realistically Firaxis just submits to tokenism when it comes to adding non-Euro civs.
>>337407682
That's my point.
>>337407746
>um. what
Ignorance is bliss, my son.
I'd like a HRE civ
>>337396682
no?
they still havent fucking finished "fixing" it and its clearly abandoned
the last dlc caused as many problems as it fixed for christ sakes
>>337408138
We had that in Civ IV (led by Burger King Charlemagne) and people got pissy because it was just Germany but medieval. Oddly the a similar complaint doesn't really get leveled at Byzantium much.
>>337408123
fuck
>>337408362
Really? I've forgotten then
>>337408138
>M
>E
>M
>E
>>337408138
same desu
>>337403898
>>337403964
Is this the birth of an epic new meme?
>>337393672
>he thinks civsex will be good
some people still think civ 4 is the best game, thats literally three releases in a row that are worse than a decade old game
>>337394134
>>337397919
>>337398034
>>337398217
All these features...And yet Civilization will forever be a board game and nothing more...
>>337408898
this is old as fuck kid
>>337409151
explain
>>337408494
ye, the UU was the Landsknecht
poor old landsknecht got moved to Germany in V, and then moved to a policy bonus in an expansion. nobody loves him.
Art direction is bad, but the features are actually pretty intredasting.
Hopeful.
>>337400163
MUP HO DIDDA DUP BIX NOOD MUFUGGA WE WUZ KANGZ AND SHIIIIIIIIET
>>337393713
In comparison, this is an announcement screenshot for Civ V
>>337410695
>those farms
what were they thinking
>>337408916
>not liking based civ. 5
>>337393713
>>337393996
>we want the clash of clans audience
>>337393996
At least hey brougth back stacks I guess?
>>337393672
will it be slightly optimized? even a little? i'm fairly certain Civ 5 ranks among the most unoptimized games of its year. probably since
>>337399156
>>337398928
I'd say go pick up civ complete for 12$ next time it's on sale.
>>337398928
all civ games are relatively beginning friendly. just put it on the lowest setting and LEARN.
hit up the civlopedia. reading really is fundamental!
>>337407231
it was originally going to be the Pueblo, but the Pueblo don't believe in showing photographs of someone who has died
http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/05/12/civilization-6-developer-rewind-theater-ign-first
>Atlas won't be a wonder in the base game
Those fucking faggots.
I already ordered the digital deluxe version.
My justification: why even fight it? I've accepted that my fanboyism for Civilization is far too powerful for me to accept recognize legit criticism at this point. No matter how shitty the game is, I KNOW I'll put at least 70 hours in before expansion 1 ever comes out. I might as well give them my money now, because no matter how the game is, I'm sure my brain will do as many mental gymnastics as necesary to like it.Also the artystle doesn't bother me at all.
Don't cry for me, I'm already dead.
>>337397919
>>Stonehenge - Must be built near Stone
The fuck? The whole point of Stonehenge is that it was built fucking far away from the actual stones used to make it.
>>337416084
in the scale of a civ map, it was only 1 or 2 tiles
>>337415771
Nice blog.
>>337398034
>>Support units can now be embedded with other units, like anti-tank support with infantry, or a warrior with settlers. (These are units that are more sensibly depicted as special equipment embedded with a larger unit rather than standalone figures on the map.)
FUCK YOU AND BRING BACK MULTIPLE UNITS PER TILE
THAT WAS FINE, I COULD PUT A WARRIOR ON A SETTLER TO PROTECT IT. I DIDN'T NEED AN ENTIRE EMBEDDING SYSTEM
>>337398034
>>Bombers can destroy improvements/districts
Literally has been this way since the beginning.
>>337416231
At least I admit I have a problem.
>>337416245
>I COULD PUT A WARRIOR ON A SETTLER TO PROTECT IT
You can already do that in V. Worker units stack with military units.
>>337416245
>Literally has been this way since the beginning.
It depends
If they're adopting Endless Legend style cities AND adding building specialized buildings within districts then it might change how occupation or attrition works.
>>337413554
You simply have to look at Firaxis' most recent release:
Hint:It's XCOM 2
Hint:No
>>337393713
Their definately going for a low poly look in the units. Hopefully that means we'll get proper cultural unit variety for once.
>>337416381
>>337416245
>"One thing we wanted to do was make sure you could tie units together. In Civ 5, it was tough to escort your settlers across the map because you couldn't tie them to a military unit," says Beach. Additionally, Beach notes, armies were perhaps a little too spread out. "When you need to concentrate your force to take out a city, everything being on its own tile was a problem at that point."
>Beach describes support units as, "something that was part of your military force before, that really shouldn't have had to take up a tile." As the name suggests, it's supporting equipment: battering rams, siege towers, anti-tank guns and anti-air guns. "All the stuff that's like special equipment for you units. In Civ 5 you had to have a separate tile, but we've gone away from that.
>>337416381
>You can already do that in V. Worker units stack with military units.
Thats whats hes saying you idiot
>>337393713
>>337393996
>>337394134
Really? They went with that WoW cartoony shit? Poor choice of aesthetics.
>>337416579
>middle ground, compromising changes
Stacks of doom were not nearly as bad as the AI's utter incompetence at using hexes.
>>337416707
WoW only has looked cartoony due to age. It was not actually considered cartoony when the game came out, the graphics just weren't considered realistic.
>>337408362
>>337408494
They weren't that great
Charlie had decidedly mid-tier traits, the Rathaus was shit (-75% corruption? Woo diddly hoo, other people just get to have extra money in every city), and the Landshnek was only kind of marginal, you still preferred to have Knights.
>>337397586
9/11
>>337394134
>>337393996
>>337393713
>it looks like Civ. Revolution
>>337416790
A middle ground is fine. People didn't like doomstacks or 1UPT, so an inbetween isn't really an issue.
And really, the biggest problem with 1UPT was when taking a city, it was a giant pain in the ass to move melee units to the front and ranged/artillery behind them. Being able to merge is a godsend.
>>337393713
>>337393996
>>337394134
facebook mobile game ass graphics
>>337416967
>>337417036
The graphics were not what was wrong with Revolution.
>>337398034
>mini-quest
Mini-ques
Mini-que
Mini-qu
Mini-q
Mini
Mini-g
Mini-ga
Mini-gam
Mini-game
>TRIGGERED
If France doesn't get Saint Louis I'm gonna pop a blood vessel
>>337393672
>>337393713
>the people who made the box art never even saw the game
>>337417137
Did you even read the rest of the line?
>>337415771
I only played a few times and have 50 hours. How can you only have 321 hours if you are that big of a fan?
>>337417137
>“You’ve hit on one of the main themes. We want to break people out of their consistent playstyles. When we look at the way people play, we see certain strategies that are used again and again – they’re the best practice for the early game or the mid-game. We’re calling the new approach to technology “active research” and it takes a sledgehammer to the old method, to stop people from doing the same thing every time they play.
>“Your situation on the map is going to influence how you approach the tech tree for the first time. In previous Civ games, you picked what you wanted to research and then people worked at it. It wasn’t particularly interesting and it wasn’t integrated with what you’re doing in the world, so we looked for a way to tie research into what your civilization is doing out in the world and on the map.
>“In Civ VI, almost every node on the tech tree has a boost attached to it – kind of like a miniature quest that you can fulfill to speed up the tech. For example, the masonry boost requires stone blocks and quarries. You can research that tech by hand without access to stone, but if you can find a quarry site and get one up and going, you unlock the tech boost and that gives you half of the research points needed for masonry.”
>Your geographical situation should always influence the short- and long-term goals that mark your journey through history.
>“Think about naval research – [in previous Civ games] you could research sailing and navigation, even if you’re landlocked in the middle of a continent. Now you can still try to do that but it’s going to take you forever. It’s usually more sensible to hold off on that until you actually have found the ocean, so you can settle a city on the coast to unlock the first boost toward sailing. Then maybe you need to build fishing boats to boost the next naval tech.
>“You can’t just burn through the tech tree the same way in every game because the map is going to force you to think through things.”
>>337417326
Because I liked to play Quick games.
>>337417137
Mini-quest as in "defeat an enemy archer to get points towards archery"I think
>>337393713
Looks like a fucking phone game.
>>337417215
Who the fuck is saint louis tf? The majority of the world omly knows napolean or that sun faggot as french leaders. Fuck outta here
>>337417350
>And the same should be true of construction and improvements. With cities now spreading across the tiles they control, it’ll be more important than ever to specialise, using the land to your advantage. As with research, the districts that make up a city – and there are twelve types of district in total – can take advantage of geographical features. Beach explains:
>“Where do scientists study? One good place is near diverse types of life, so a scientific campus will gain bonuses if it’s near a rainforest tile. And maybe they’re trying to figure out how the stars and heavens work, in which case an astronomical observatory might be a good idea. That’s going to get a bonus if it’s placed near a mountain.”
>Sticking with the example of a city specialising in science, all of the buildings, whether labs, libraries or universities, will require a specific type of district to support them. Rather than having a city surrounded by mines and railroads, funneling cash into the city centre to fund research, Civ VI will see research campuses and other districts placed around the city, using the lay of the land to their advantage where possible.
>The interface will help you to decide on a spot for new cities, as in the past, recognising which tiles will work best for different district types, taking into account everything from their terrain type to adjacency bonuses that make district-building like “a little puzzle”. Cities can still control up to 36 hexes but the number of improvements that they’ll need to work the land has been reduced, with districts moving in to fill the gaps.
>>337417390
>quick games
Kill yourself
>>337403870
>Filename
That would imply that they could remake it to the same standard as before every year.
>>337417405
No, THIS is what a civilization phone game actually looks like, because it is one.
When did people start hating cartoony graphics? Was it because it's the WoW artstyle?
>>337417223
That reminds me. When I was at a much younger age, I looked at the Civ 3 boxart in my local gamestore, and looked at the cool graphics of the city overlay, which really just was a nice detailed but purely cosmetic map you could see of your city, without any of the ordinary graphics presented. Pic related is what I saw, and I expected it to be a different game entirely
That's basically what brought me into civ, and I've been a fan of the series since. It's funny, because if younger me saw the ACTUAL graphics, I would have never played the games.
>>337393713
Looks interesting.
I'll wait for the enhanced PS4 or Xbone version though.
Any waifus yet
>Reminder that every version of every Civ game can be played on a mobile device just fine and you bitching about it means you are dumb
FUCK THEY RUINED IT. Civilization is supposed to be a serious, hardcore, mature game with dark, gritty graphics. I'd be embarrassed if my friends saw me playing this Civ VI.
I'll stick to Civ V, the TRUE civ game...Civ has never had cartoony graphics
>>337417557____________________________________________________________________________________No
>>337393713
looks like a modified warcraft 3 engine
>>337417557
I'll bet a pretty penny that Elizabeth and Isabella will be back.
I mean who do you replace Elizabeth with? Victoria? Henry V?
>>337417463
It made getting the "beat the game with every civ" achievement faster
>>337417137
Mini-quest as in "build more boats or settle next to the coast to get a boost in naval technology"
>>337417626
'
Pfft, Warcraft 3 looks like some dumb Facebook game
>>337393713
Maybe it's actually a sequel to Civ Revolution
>>337417497
Take Warhammer, and maybe make it a bit cartoony because it's 1994 and everything needs to be saturated to be seen through those dank monitors. That gives you Warcraft's aesthetic. Now, somewhere down the line, take Warcraft and simplify it a bit because you can't are yourself to make complex textures, and that gives you League of Legend's aesthetic. Finally, take Lol's style, compress it into something so vibrant and blocky that everything looks like an action figure and is easy for weak hardware to render (like a phone), and you get the style aped by Clash of Clans which many mobile games have copied their style from since.
>>337417606
admit it anon, target audience is now kids, not neckbeards
>>337417626
People here should love it then, /v/ practically masturbates to WC3
>>337417557
Gandhi is the only leader confirmed so far. Is Gandhi waifu material?
>>337417835
>Gandhi is the only leader confirmed so far.
Well no shit, don't really have many other options for India
>>337417835
Roosevelt and Montezuma are practically confirmed, from what I've heard and seen.
>>337393672
That is some god-tier box art. At least firaxis hires good box artists.
>>337417932
>No GILGAMESH
>No leader whose UB is based around SWORDS
>>337417808
LOL. You think Civ VI in particular represents a negative change in the target audience? Civ V was targeted to retard casuals
Civ VI probably is as well, but the cartoony graphics are unrelated to that, as proven by Civ V's superior predecessor
>>337417636
Having the same leader in each game is kind of shit. I'll accept Gandhi because he is a meme master, but it'd be nice to switch shit up a bit. Elizabeth and Isabella will probably stay for the female quota though.
>>337417463
>actually wanting to click on the end turn button 9000+ times before getting to the second era
>>337418062
>not just hitting enter
mate just stop posting you're embarassing yourself
>>337418062
>wanting your military units to become obsolete every 25 turns
>>337418007
Gilgamesh lived in the region that's now Iraq, not India.
>>337418176
>not pressing spacebar
Andrew Jackson as US leader when?
>>337417941
But which Montezuma will it be?
As for Roosevelt, I'd be skeptical. Sometimes they add shit in trailers that doesn't appear. Teddy would be a nice break from Washington or Lincoln again though.
A Crusades/WWI DLC would be cool.
>>337418486
I remember when people who felt this way about cartoony, lighthearted graphics were not welcome on /v/
>That feel when Civ VI looks like a Facebook game
>>337418641
People aren't so much annoyed about the cartoonishness as the outright mobile-tier style, and the gulf between the tone set by the box art and the game's visuals.
Art direction in civ games was never particularly good.
I'd actually care if a drastic change like this happened in endless legend, but with civ, it might even be an improvement, we'll see.
>>337418564
WWI related entertainment makes me want to puke, I see the name of the people from my town who died between 1914 and 1918 every time I get out.then gypsies arabs leftists and niggers do this
>>337400214
>lets just take chess, and replace all the pieces with dildos, and the board is now a pizza
But anon,both already exist.
>>337418870
Well that's your own damn problem m8, i'll have fun re-enacting their deaths.
>>337419004
how does pizzachess work?
>>337418870
Eh, it's better than forgetting that WWI happened at all, because just about everything happening today can be traced back to it.
>>337419156
you lose it you eat it
>>337419156
came to post this
>>337419156
>http://www.3manchess.com/
it's the same as normal chess, except it's made for 3 people, pretty ingenious.
>>337418641
it's the game that matters. civ is quite a heavy franchise to be treated like a cartoony way, considering earlier titles. it hints a degredation of some sort in gameplay.
>>337419914
you heard it here first. art style = game play
>>337403670
is this shogun 2?
>>337393672
Well, at least the cover is good enough to send back in time to Sid Meier
i'll gladly take these graphics if the tradeoff is the game not being nearly as shittily optimized as Civ V was.
>>337418486
Wait a second, I've seen this before.
>>337420128
i never said that. i said "hints a degredation of some sort in gameplay" noıw go fuck yourself kindly.
>>337419914
>civ V is the first civ game with a 'serious' art style
>it's also the first shit civ game
So you're saying Civ VI is going to be good because it's cartoony again?
>>337420534
>first shit one
>not 3
>>337420448
This
Civ 5 took like 80 years just to load the fucking game
Maybe it was me? But I never had an issue with other games
>>337420534
civ 5 is not the first title with a "serious" art style. civ 4 and 3 also had "serious" (eh, not that cartoony) graphics. so is be or alpha centauri from same class. i'm saying, simplification of graphics is taking a different approach which is not necessarily bad, but not promising either.
>>337419914
>civ is quite a heavy franchise to be treated like a cartoony way
Civ has always been a franchise that treats itself with a level of tongue-in-cheek self-awareness, it has ever since Sid himself created the series. The graphics are not what determines how this game will be, it's what group in Firaxis is in charge of this title, because THAT has always been the determining factor.
>>337420690
>Maybe it was me?
It was like 2 and a half minutes for me. Loading the map when making a game didn't take as long though.
>>337415771
Well, you're a proud cuck.
>>337415771
i bought 3 and 4 on good faith. was not disappointed
then 5 came along. played it twice and id never been bored by a civ game before. BNW fixed everything, but never again
>>337420690
my issue with CiV is that on a large map AI turns take a fucking decade
>>337417606
That doesn't look cartoony at all, your strawman is shit.
>>337421650
I'm amazed how much shorter turn wait is when I disable barbarians and cut the number of city-states in half.
>>337406609
We quote posting?
>What is drama but life with the dull bits cut out?
>>337421619
>BNW fixed everything
how
seriously it still sucks lol
LEAKED IN-GAME SCREENSHOT OF GHANDI!!!
>>337415771
You think you hard nigga?
>>337423332
serious question. How do you have so much hours in Civ V? You just do the same shit over and over.
Go tradition
build 3 settlers
get your stupid fucking national college
go to education
get your dumb academy
go rationalism
hit end turn utnil you win game
epic deity winning strat
what keeps you coming back? I've tried super hard to like civ v
>>337424475
Not him but
>Doing nothing but the same thing
Of course something is going to get boring if you do literally nothing but the same thing over and over again. Ever think of trying something different, even if it isn't the most efficient?
I hope they go with a similar music style as Civ 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6em8hTchY
and not the shit that's popular with this type of stylized aesthetic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7wC-sbvhB8
Why do people defend 1 unit per tile? Unit stacks have literally no downsides.
>much easier to control because you don't have to move 50 units per turn individually
>already balanced by collateral damage
>actually makes sense, rather than having ancient battles that take place over thousands of miles and taking hundreds of years to complete
What are people even bitching about? That a bigger army beats a smaller army?
>>337425412
>not liking the Sims theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjoyL_y4qPI
>>337425493
This shouldn't depress me but it does.
>>337425493
Now imagine that music playing when you're in a war with Atilla.
>>337425412
We posting great civ 5 tracks now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBYHM0QRoMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nl-ITnF1N8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHNOJQimjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeSpX2RYx6U
>>337425857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXOLRXzs_qo
>>337425798
I imagine fun and videogames and someone wanting to pee but there are no toiled in his 2x2 room without door or window
As long as they remove Dido I'm good with anything.
Fucking bitch.
>>337426145
What if they replace Dido with a black Hannibal?
>>337425493
Sims 3 > Sims 2 > Sims 4 = Sims 1
>>337425178
Yeah but that's why Civ V is terrible. There's literally no point in not doing the same shit over and over again, because it's so badly made. Why does it even have a random map generator? The optimal strats all work independently of the map you're playing on. It's no tlike Civ IV where you have to adapt and to react to the what the map and diplomacy throws at you.
Seriously, play to win deity in Civ IV, then do it in V.
You literally can't just come in with some 'build order' and win in Civ IV. That's not how the game works.
I just lose all motivation when I'm playing V because nothing in the game matters.
A civ game where it's optimal to have 4 cities. Holy shit.
>>337425426
they've only played civ v lol
>>337393713
How soon do you think we'll get a snowball effect of tasteless contrarians trying to convince themselves that this shit looks good as a sequel, and a lot of people on /v/ start agreeing with the vocal minority that it looks good?
>>337426272
>Why does it even have a random map generator? The optimal strats all work independently of the map you're playing on. It's no tlike Civ IV where you have to adapt and to react to the what the map and diplomacy throws at you.
Good thing they're changing that in Civ VI, see
>>337417350
and
>>337417434
>>337426216
never managed to make 3 work, the bloated launcher kept blowing up
>>337426272
>I consciously do the same thing every time I play
>the game is bad despite not forcing me to do this
>>337426272
>>337426369
>A civ game where it's optimal to have 4 cities. Holy shit.
Also, they're going to make Happiness local again in Civ VI
>>337426401
Once you experience a completely open neighborhood, you can't go back. The only bad thing about 3 was the bloated save files.
>>337426491
Hoepfully they also get rid of national wonder hammer costs going up with each city you found, that's one of the main things forcing players to stay small and get their national college asap to be viable.
>>337426463
I'm sorry, but you're playing on a difficulty level that's too low to keep me entertained.
>>337426369
Yeah i hope that ends up being good. We'll have to see.
This is the creator of DayZ
>>337426772
>I'm sorry, but you're playing on a difficulty level that's too low to keep me entertained.
what the fuck does this even mean
did you just call me an immortal?
i will fuck you up
>>337426973
Literally who?
>>337426973
it will probably work fine. civ IV they specifically set out to make the MP work, and it does.
III and V they didn't care. with VI they're specifically highlighting functional multiplayer in the announcements, which is the same pattern IV's development publicity followed.
>>337426973
Question of the day: Will DayZ in general continue to be shit?
>>337427120
>>337427153
The joke is that it's a pot calling the kettle black, DayZ is a broken piece of shit
>>337404926
>not strategic view
Fucking plebian.
>>337424475
Three words:
Community Balance Patch.
>>337393672
Atlas isn't even going to be in the base game, fucking kek
http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/05/12/civilization-6-developer-rewind-theater-ign-first
Last 30 seconds
>>337396190
this
>>337427716
Why would there be?
There is no atlas wonder of the world, unless you count the statue in new york or something
>>337427835
Why even have it in the promo art though?
>>337427890
There was no giant V wonder in Civ V either.
>>337417606
>Civilization is supposed to be a serious, hardcore, mature game with dark, gritty graphics
>>337427890
Greek gods make good mascots for civ promos? Atlas in particular, because in civ you map out the world as you explore. I don't know why you saw it and though it was a wonder or something
I like the artstyle
>>337425412
>that song
Jesus, I have been playing the game with music muted this entire time. Only now do I learn what a mistake I've been making.
>>337427967
Being a bit disingenuous there
>>337427153
Just because they said they would doesn't mean they actually will.
Como on, anon it's almost like you'reshilling
>>337417626
Why the fuck is there a castle there?
>>337393713
Why does it look like a god damn mobile game?
>>337428269
Well here's the thing.
The guy in that tweet is talking about broken multiplayer. It's very rare for a game to actually have multiplayer made so badly that it literally doesn't work. And yet that's what we got with V and it wasn't fixed for a long ass time, and it's still shitty as fuck it just barely works. It's cause they didn't fuckin care about multiplayer, it's not wht they were interested in.
They started working on Civ IV's multiplayer from the beginning and it works like you'd actually expect it to.
I just don't see how they could plausibly highlight multiplayer in an announcement and have it literally not work as in Civ V.
>>337425412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpFrJ7QmSjc
>when you hear this during a nuclear war
Why do they even feel the need to create new Civ games when they already made the perfect one?
Just my two cents, it's not that I don't like the new art style, it's just that I am kind of disappointed that they chose that over a more realistic look.
It's not like the other civs games look that realistic, but just imagine if they published screenshots with that badass cinematic trailer that went for a photorealistic route. Imagine if the map looked like a satellite view of the terrain and an option to make the map look like a day/night cycle so you can see your cities light up and shit. The tech is there, even if it can't look perfect, I think they could pull off something that could have looked incredible.
Instead we have this.
>>337395405
>>337399278
>waifu was super excited for "a new alpha centauri"
>begged me to buy it for her
>she's a total casual and even she complains about it
>>337429002
Shafer said the reason he made V so different was because IV was already too perfect, and therefore there was no point in trying to make another normal civ game.
>>337425412
>>337425493
>>337425857
>>337426003
>>337428824
Yet nothing comes to close to Civ IV when it comes to theme music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
>>337429002
What's so perfect about this game?
Why are stacks of doom fun?
>>337429347
Civ V has a few really good tracks, but it's mostly elevator music.
Civ IV's OST is top tier from the menu to the diplomacy screens and from the ancient era to the industrial era. Too bad the modern era music is so shit though. Only thing that prevents IV ost from being 10/10
THE PEOPLE
ARE
THE HEROES
NOW
BEHEMOTH
FOR THE PRESENTS
NOW
>>337393713
Looks fucking adorable what are you bitching about now?
>>337429461
'stacks of doom' are a meme
Nobody complained about them before V came out.
Civ IV has this thing called collateral damage.
Use siege units to damage multiple units on a single tile.
In Civ 1 and 2, if a stack that wasn't defending a city got attacked and lost a unit, the entire stack was destroyed.
It's really never been a problem with the game.
You should listen to that Jon Shafer (civ V lead designer) interview where he talks about how he thinks stacks are actually 'objectively better' (his words) for civ combat.
>>337416084
The British Isles in Civ, even on the biggest map size, are no bigger than 25 tiles. London would encapsulate Stonehenge if you settled it on the Thames.
I wish there was a Age of Empires-Civilization cross game where you micromanage a single city and it's villages as it advances while having a AoE-like city and war systems.
>>337429817
That would be chaotic br8
Harder than starcraft even
>there are people who will defend this
>>337398034
>>AI is said to have been improved
good one
>>337404926
BE LOOKS GREAT, TOO BAD ITS FUCKING
T R A S H
R
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S
H
>>337429926that is exactly my pointthe dwarf fortress of Civilization
>>337429990
>there are people who will defend THIS
>>337429817
Rise of Nations is closest i can think of.
Similar to AoE but it goes from ancient to modern era.
However the gameplay is not civvy at all. It just has the civ aesthetic in the form of the multi-age spanning tech tree.
Gameplay is pure RTS, not a bad game.
>>337393672
why does it look like a fucking mobile game
>>337404926
Yes, Civ 6 will be better.
>>337396682
No you stupid faggot. Kill yourself.
>>337404926
Is this supposed to look good? The contrast is fucked
I heard that Roosevelt is America's leader.
Is it the good one or the shit one?
>>337429776
No one's told him about the new quasi-stack system though, which should help reduce congestion.
>>337430224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvBf6WBatk0&t=54s
Don't worry, it will probably be the good one.
>>337430203
I think they did that to give the map an exotic 'alien' feel.
But I agree, I always thought that game looked like ass.
>>337430307
Thank heavens.
>>337429776
Even V did siege better than IV.
IV thought siege units shouldn't have more range and should take damage when attacking stacks, which is beyond retarded.
>>337401835
this.
faggooooots
>>337429776
>'stacks of doom' are a meme
/thread on every Civ thread ever.
>>337400782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeEEWXbLNQs
>>337429776
>defending stacks
You are cancer. Kill yourself.
>some asshole who didn't bother re-implementing them when he had the chance thinks they would've been a good idea
>>337393672
It really is surreal when you look at the cover art then look at the actual game. Its like a completely different game.
>>337430457
>more range
yea let's have catapults that can launch rocks hundreds of miles, that isn't retarded at all
>>337430592
You're probably mentally challenged if you can't handle stacks.
Attempt to defend 1UPT in a 4X context. 4X isn't a tactical genre, it's about large-scale wars across multiple fronts.
>>337393713
Should be easily fixed with new textures. And god damn, the wonders look sweet.
>>337430651
>it's about large-scale wars across multiple fronts.
It's not really much of a front when all your units are in one tile.
>>337430774
They shouldn't be, unless you're retarded, because artillery decimates stacks.
>>337393713
>We want the Age of Empires 3 audience
>>337430774
This.
This is what anti stack fags prefer? What a fucking mess.
>>337410695
This is why I'm hyped for Civ 6. On top of all the great changes they've confirmed, I have no doubt they will update the graphics like they did for Civ 5
>Those horses
>Those farms
>Those trees
>the fucking deer standing around their tile instead of in it
>shitty gritty tiles instead of the cleaner ones we ended up getting
No doubt Civ Six will get some proper sprucing up. I just hope they fix the forest tiles and update the plains textures. Then I'd be perfectly happy with it visually.
>>337430818
>They shouldn't be
And they won't be, because it's 1UPT. What's the problem?
>>337430869
I like it
>>337429490
It's "Behemoth moves the peasant's plow"
But yeah, Civ IV's soundtrack was based
>>337396682
>white people did all the bad stuff so you can only play nigger civilizations:the game
yeah, no
>>337430916
You should have the option to stack if necessary. There is a hard counter.
Restricting options is for mongoloids.
They could have solved this a better way but that would require a modicum of effort.
Employ an attrition system like Grand Strategy games, which could be affected by promotions and technologies.
I stopped thinking that AAA developers could handle making games for non-retards though around 2008.
>>337430457
If you didn't have to sacrifice some of your siege units to do some heavy damage, your siege numbers would just add up and get ridiculous, leading to an actual 'stack of doom'
Thing is, pre Civ V wars are an empire management game. You experience casualties as a part of wearing down defenses. It's not like Civ V where you can teidously and painfully defeat the deity AI's carpet of doom (infinitely worse than 'stacks of doom', which were never any kind of problem, ever).with just a handful of units, rarely if ever experiencing casualties.
You realize 1upt is the root of so many of civ v's problems right? LIke everything from terrain to improvemetns to wonders being nerfed?
>>337430592
>>337430774
You've never played any civ game if you think this. Stacks actually have MORE tactical potential, though the ai can't really handle it. 1upt requires a slightly higher baseline of tactics, but the ceiling is lower.
>>337430965
Er, "pulls the peasant's plow" rather.
>>337406701
4x games are, by their very nature, not casual games.
>>337423332
You think you are? Eat my dick.
I'm also looking forward to Civ VI, no matter what. BE was fucking awful, and I'm glad that I didn't buy it.
V full > II > IV full > IV > I > III full > V > III
>>337430636
>artillery shouldn't have more range than swordsmen
>artillery should do melee damage and take damage when they attack
This has to be bait.
No one is this retarded.
>>337430869
>needing all those units
>not playing korea and being 2 eras ahead
>not having just 6 units and still being strongest civ
what can i say, git gud
>>337431107
>range
this isn't Age of Empires
single tiles represent hundreds of square miles
>>337408916
i still play civ 4. civ 2 is cool also not that my computer can run it anymore.
>>337431023
>If you didn't have to sacrifice some of your siege units to do some heavy damage, your siege numbers would just add up and get ridiculous, leading to an actual 'stack of doom'
This is the stupidest reasoning I've ever heard for anything, anywhere.
>>337431164
That's part of the problem you silly goose.
nothing
matters
ever
at all
ever
in civ v
you can build
6 units
and kill
an entire
deity army
painfully
slowly
Now matter how strong an empire is, it literally makes no difference in wars in Civ V. Do you not see the problem with this? jesus
>>337410695
Looks more like a board game while >>337393713 looks more like a children's playset
>>337431187
So swordsmen can strike across hundreds of miles?
No, please keep going. I want to hear this.
>>337431187
>Age of Empires vs Civ
What year is it?
>>337417506
>see ff7 commericals
>nonstop cinematics
>finally get the game
>so excited
>boner is bursting through pants
>new game
>pop-eye people
shit should be illegal.
>>337431298
In case you were playing the game blind: melee units meet midway when attacking.
>>337431298
if they're attacking from one square to another they aren't doing it from the exact center of the square you retard
>>337430869
I've literally never played a game with that many units. Most economies wouldn't be able to sustain it.
But good job outing yourself as someone who has never played Civ 5.
>>337431239
So you think you should be able to just build a handful of units and roll the entire map with it?
>>337431439
>exact center square
>>337431419
So they run hundreds of square miles to fight briefly then run hundreds of square miles back until they have to run hundreds of square miles to fight again?
As long as they make the game not completely trash like vanilla Civ V, then I don't really mind the change in artstyle. Though I wish people didn't always confuse a "cleaner" artstyle with a cartoony one.
>>337431489
That's an actual in game screenshot you fucking mongoloid. Good job on outing yourself as someone who plays on low difficulties like a casual shitter.
>>337431580
How is this
>>337429990
not cartoony?
>>337429002
Will any Civ game ever have a better theme than Baba Yetu? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
>>337431631
Uhm... it looks like League of Legends (epic game by the way) League of Legends looks more realistic than cartoons??????!??!?!?!?
>>337431065
>Last Played Tuesday
>>337431537
Each unit represents several.
This is further demonstrated by the fact that they don't die after one battle like in 4, unless they're hugely mismatched.
>>337431602
Not him, but even in Emperor through Deity, you don't need that many units. It's a fucking waste, lags the game, and basically just means you treat your units like fodder instead of keeping them alive and healthy like you're supposed to.
>>337431572
even if they do how does it make less sense than a catapult being able to hit something 2 tiles away?
>>337431602
Oh you're too precious.
You've literally never played the game but you're pretending you have.
>>337431710
Civ VI was announced before I got on on Wednesday. I decided to preorder it and let myself have a break from Civ before I dive into another Civ game.
5 months seems like a decent amount of time to cool off from 2k hours over 5 years.
>>337431602
on higher difficulties by the time you had 1/10th that amount of units the game would be over
>>337431631
I meant the developers confusing the artstyles.
>>337431837
Do you at least play with the Community Balance Patch?
>>337393713
the art style looks like a downgrade. they might be trying to make the game for Tablets.
think they're planing on releasing it on Tablet after PC.
can't release it on console because of the controls.
>>337428398
Now that you mention it, that is a pretty poor placement for a castle.
What Civ do you main and why?
I main Egypt because stealing Wonders makes everyone salty.
>>337431719
what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Try thinking about the actual game for a second, instead of what you imagine the graphical units are 'representing'.
Ok.
in Civ, you harvest 'production' from tiles which are worked by your cities. You use this production to create units. OK?
If a unit doesn't die, that means it doesn't die. OK? That means you don't have to replace it by spending more hammers on more units. Get it? What you're imagining in your head as 'lots of units being represented by one' is actually one unit in the game rules.
if you can build 6 units and conquer the map, you're compeletely underminding the entire game, by making land and your actual fucking civ and how you manage it inconsequential to the outcome.
>>337431995
random is the only answer
>>337431894
I did for about 200 hours. Turned it off.
For the past 800 hours roughly, I've been using 3UC, 4UC, and Civ IV unique traits.
>>337420690
USE A SSD
S
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A
S
S
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>>337431823
>>337431739
>>337431860
Oh my god you fucking IDIOTS
THAT'S THE AI
YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE RETARDS
CAN YOU READ? DID I NOT JUST SAY THE PLAYER ONLY NEEDS A HANDFUL OF UNITS TO TAKE OUT A DEITY AI'S CARPET
of course the PLAYER would be crippled by that
deity AI's maintenance costs are trivial. It's trimmed down somewhat now, but that is indeed the extent of congestion vanilla V diety AI armies did to the map.
>You've literally never played the game but you're pretending you have.
oh my god if you had any sense of shame you'd beg me for forgiveness after this. that is an actual screenshot of deity AI you idiot. You obviously never played against.
Jesus christ you people
>>337432082
>defending siege units having no range
>defending siege units taking damage when attacking
>defending cities being completely defenseless without units
>defending units being completely wiped out after one battle
I can tell you're really passionate about what you believe.
But to me that just makes it that much more hilarious.
Debating this with you is like debating with a Mormon.
You're so obviously wrong but you'll never realize it, not even if you lived to be a thousand years old.
That's hysterical.
>>337393672
>Civilization
>Greek
Topkek, some pedophiles who got utterly trashed by Kant and Descartes are not the bearers of Civilization
Muslim inventions
>Alcohol
>Algebra
>Engineering
>0
>Trigonometry
>Calculus
>Geometry
>Optics
Reminder 1UPT ruined Civ 5 and Sulla was right about everything he said.
>Civ5 suffers here from a mistaken attempt to balance "Tall" empires against "Wide" empires. This is something that the designers mentioned frequently in the buildup to the game's release, and the Civ5 community discusses this all the time as well. It's a baffling concept that makes absolutely no sense when discussing gameplay in the empire-building genre of games. Why in the world would you want to create a game where a "Tall" empire of four cities would be as strong as a "Wide" empire of twenty cities? If that's the case, then what's the point of expanding at all? It's much easier to sit on a handful of cities, after all. An empire-building game where small nations are just as good as large nations is an empire-building game where expansion becomes pointless. This is exactly what Brave New World has done: it has undercut the entire purpose of the genre! Let me make use of an analogy here: arguing that "Wide" and "Tall" empires should be balanced is like arguing that small armies in Starcraft should be able to compete on even terms with large armies. I mean, that sounds incredibly stupid, right? The purpose of Starcraft is to build an army to kill your opponent. Sure, there are units designed to counter mass spam of cheap units, but the basic principle remains that bigger armies are better. If you could defeat a 200 supply army with a 50 supply army, then what would be the point of building units at all? Such a mechanic would destroy the entire raison d'etre behind Starcraft. Brave New World does the same thing with respect to expansion. A handful of cities performs as well as a large empire, making expansion and warfare pointless. This mistaken attempt to balance "Wide" and "Tall" strikes a blow at the very heart of why people play the Civilization games in the first place.
>>337432309
if it's deity how has the AI not won by 2010?
>>337432309
>Implying this fucking happens in multiplayer
Fuck off, you screeching retard. The only time anything comes remotely close is is Germany gets buttraped by barb camps in the early game. Even Zulus players will only shit out 9 Impis max, usually ranging from 5-6 average. That's one of the strongest units in the game. Hell, China players, using a defensive layout, will shit out maybe 13 Chu-ko-nus tops, and that's to defend 3-4 cities, so roughly 4 per city. That's not anywhere close to those massive carpets of waste.
>>337432309
>oh my god if you had any sense of shame you'd beg me for forgiveness after this
Oh lord please be real.
If people like you really exist that will definitively prove God exists and he has a twisted sense of humor.
>>337432361
>muh range
you still have no argument as to how range makes any kind of sense in a game like this
>muh realism even though 1UPT is just as ridiculous :(
>>337432375
Oh this is some good bait. You'll get someone. Mind if I take it for... purposes? I need to go troll some autists.
>>337393996
>$130AUD
yeah naa, to tbp I go
>>337398034
>AI is said to have been improved
>>337432748
>Buying the deluxe version with the Steam controller
That'd be like buying a DS4 with your copy of Unchmovieted 4
>>337432574
Simple. It's not your game.
It was never your game.
And thank fuck you'll never be a game designer.
>>337432361
'range' as a concept only exists for air units pre V. Civ combat pre V was designed to function without range, so your point is moot. In fact, you seem to be entirely motivated by a kind of simulation or aesthetic rather than something to do with the actual game mchanics. I understand if you like the aesthetic of ranged units. But you should try to actually make an argument if you want to insist it's necessary for civ.
>defending siege units taking damage when attacking
again, you list no reason as to why that's bad
>defending cities being completely defenseless without units
Again, civ is designed with no need for cities defending themselves. In fact, cities defending themselves was tacked on as a bandaid to fix the another of 1upt's unintended negative consequences
>defending units being completely wiped out after one battle
Again, you don't give a reason as to why that's a bad thing.
In civ V, 1upt means there are less units, so obviously that's a necessity in that game. But there is no need for it in the other civ games, so what is your point.
Seriously, think a little bit.
>>337432785
>Playing vs AI once you can beat Prince
>>337432820
do you realize that's not an argument?
>>337394134
>competing leaders will pursue their own agendas based on their historical traits
> the ai wont be retarded in this game we promise
> lol you fell for it again
>>337432408
>can't argue
>appeals to walls of text written by others
El. Oh. El.
>>337432805
I wouldn't buy a fucking console in the first place
>>337393713
Don't really care. Im still playing Civ IV and I don't think an update is necessary.
>>337432528
>multiplayer
i wasn't talking about multiplayer
rofl
pay attention please
My entire point is that the AI can and does pump out huge carpets of units that aren't fun, but are nevertheless easy, to take out with a handful of units, rendering all of the ridiculous production bonuses and maintenance leniencies they get moot, so what's the point?
>>337432550
Are you going to apologize for calling me a liar?
>>337432889
>>337432828
You will never be a game designer.
People will continue to enjoy Civ 5 while you swear by Civ 4 in an ever dwindling community.
Seriously though, what's that like?
How does it feel?
>claim Civ VI is way more moddable than Civ V
>but there's tons more animated shit and "creature comforts" to appeal to the plebs that modders simply can't do economically
Riddle me that Firaxis
>>337432973
*tips*
So basically all buildings work like tile improvements now?
Not exactly a horrible idea, but it's going to require a fucking shit ton of units to defend a single city if you need to space them out along multiple tiles.
>>337433014
I think you owe me an apology.
And a blowjob.
I'm waiting.
Come on. Chop Chop.
>>337432838
>Having friends
>>337433040
I literally don't care at all. I'm guessing you weren't on the debate team.
>>337433105
Pretty nice imo.
Instead of just needing to defend certain key cities and mostly ignoring the rest of the terrain.
I've thought that Civ 5 would be a more interesting game if players could achieve their own victory.
So if you're losing the tech race, you could go for the diplomatic victory and still win in that category.
Top place is whoever achieved their victory first, and domination victory ends the game prematurely.
Thoughts? It's shit, 'innit.
>>337399096
Nah it actually needs more color senpai
>>337416949
It was -75% maintenence, including tiles, buildings, and distance from capital.
A Rauthus built in America would reduce the cost of founding a city cross continental by that much. Most civs require Communism to adequately colonize the Americas in the mid 1700s, but the HRE can keep any other economic tenant instead due to that building.
The UU was also good to solo-defend entire cities.
>>337433171
Oh I think it eats at you.
It naws at you.
You know you're not good enough to design games but you still pretend to know better than people who do.
>>337433040
>swear by Civ 4 in an ever dwindling community.
which includes Shafer himself...damn
He knows he fucked it up, but he's definitely a smart dude and I can see where he was going with the whole thing
THe 4x he's releasing next year actually looks really good
>>337433091
>I wasted hundreds of dollars on a shitty box
I literally played Civ V for hundreds of hours entirely in strategic view.
They better give me that shit back. It's pretty much perfect. I couldn't care less how garbage the game looks otherwise, so long as I have my hexagonal (?) paradise.
>>337433365
I personally cannot wait to play Tim Shafer's Civilization VI
>>337433290
>people who do
....like....the lead designer of civ v....who openly acknowledged it was a failed experiment.
and the devs who actually think civ v is good are dlc peddlers.
>>337433234
>civ borders are a mix between 5 and BE
>rigid hexagons but rounded a bit
Fucking shit, laddy. Why not just do it like 5 again?
>>337433290
1. gnaws
2. I like playing games from time to time. It doesn't mean I want to make one.
>>337433365
You keep using that name like anyone but you cares who that is.
I bought civ4 because it was on sale.
Am I meant to build cities on literally every tile I can? That's what the AI seems to do.
Does it really matters what it looks like as long as it has more features and plays better than V? I mean I highly doubt that the second part is true but if it were true would the grafics really matter?
>>337433478
I think it's torture for you.
Come on, admit it. We're all anons here.
Whenever there's a Civ thread and people only talk about V, it grinds your gears doesn't it?
You fucking hate it.
You wish you could murder them all.
>>337433582
it's what real civilizations did so maybe
>>337396682
>all they had to do was update the AC formula
>Make a Civ 5 mod instead
I played it one free weekend and felt I got my fill. I'd consider myself a civ 'vet' too. I played 1 - 5, 3 being my favourite.
>>337433668
Only europe/india/china and only because it became so populated in so little space.
>>337427351
This shit nigga, anyone here listening get the Community Balance Patch for Civ 5. It's what 5 should have been balance and AI wise and will blow your mind, and eat your life.
>>337433597
Not really but its style is too similar to civ 4. The cover art implies a completely different type of art style. Plus its just frustrating to see these kind of graphics when civ 5 and beyond earth looked great graphically. I expected more detail in everything but instead its backpedaled into simplicity.
>>337433582
If you've only played V, your expansion is kept in check not by global happiness but by city maintenance.
THere are 2 parts of city maintenance:
distance from capital (your early cities should be close to the capital, unless you have a strong commerce resource like gold or gems in your capital, in which case you can afford an aggressive forward settle if you have to for whatever reason) and number of cities maintenance.
Each city is an economic investment. In the short term, setlling a city hurts your economy, but after the city starts to pay for itself and then more, it turns out to be an economic boost in the long term.
Only exception to this rule is great lighthouse coastal cities, which often instantly pay for themselves.
1. don't settle jungle cities until you have iron working/calendar
2. don't settle cities that lack food resources until civil service (these are the sitties that kind of 'fill out' the spaces betewen your major cities'
settle at a steady rate. don't settle too fast or you'll tank your economy hard
I thought civ iv was fun until I got to the combat
and then everything was awful and I would rather play literally any other strategy game, even pure strategy, non tactical ones without any real combat like paradox's shit.
civ v was worse in a lot of other aspects but I far preferred the 1upt. I think the changes they are making in civ vi are a good change. They're not radically changing the basic formula, but the introduction of corps and armies seems like it will help stop the later game from being overly flooded with "carpets of doom."
I'm not expecting anything from vanilla VI though. I'll wait till it gets expansions and patches down the line before plunging in.
>>337399452
2>4>3>dog shit>5
Deal with it
>>337433728
so only the successful civilizations?
>>337433798
Gotta say, Firaxis does good covers. XCOM 2's looks pretty good.
>>337400782
>mfw
>>337419004
>playing pizzachess as white
>just eat that nigga's turret with mine without any consequence at all
>keep eating right until it's checkmate
Wow so complex
why do you guys hate fun
Post'em lads.
I thought I was completely done with Civ V until I discovered CBP mod 2 years ago and I've sunk in another 400 hours since then.
>>337434169
he'll just outeat you
>>337393672
>>337393713
>>337393996
>First AoE now this
THEY CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THIS
>>337434323
here's mine
I haven't tried the community patch yet but I gave up on Civ a while ago
>>337429776
>stacks of doom are a meme
>nobody complained about them before V came out
this is total bullshit. tons of people hated them in iv, and they honestly ruined the game for me before v had even been announced.
>>337398217
>Can zoom down to the level where you can see see birds flying around the building
Why the fuck are they going to waste my processing power on this? I don't play Risk so I can get out my magnifying glass and ogle the mold seams on the plastic pieces.
Will the throne room return?
>>337434770
what do you mean exactly? what bothered you?
>>337434863
>magnifying glass
>>337435125
Everything. The combat was a gigantic mess. It was completely unfun. Wars felt needlessly penalizing for one thing. They negatively impacted everything you did in addition to already negatively impacting you due to needing to spend build orders on units. Sitting on defensive tiles made units stupidly strong, especially archers or variants thereof. The way siege weapons worked was retarded. Seeing gigantic stacks or several stacks of variant units with 5 different unit types was retarded.
Every time war happened, the game instantly became unfun. Every other aspect of Civ IV was good except the godawful combat. Fortunately, some people made mods that fixed or touched up the system a little bit, but I still far prefer Civ V's system.
I'm a person who enjoys "tactics" RPGs though so it might just be that Civ V's system is more comfortable to me.
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