>post dead games
>post the reason you think they failed
>5 min queue
>reason why it failed
It's made by neo-blizzard, big fucking suprise.
Heroes was fun with friends but not fun with randoms
I've never played LoL or DOTA maybe it's the way they all are
>>337364249
>tourament scene
>40minute useless gossip
>20minute match
>40minutes useless gossip
>15minute match
>60minute JUST STOP
>>337364393
yeah pretty much, if your playing this type of game solo your doing it wrong
also make sure you dont have any asshole freinds who get angry and lash out at others
>>337364249
>copy & pasta the game
Will probably still be gobbled up by the CoD audience...
>>337364249
>Trying to compete with 2 of the most popular multiplayer games on the planet
>>337364249
>takes forever to load a game
>horribly optimized and runs like shit
>>337365026
works for me :^)
>>337364249
>>5 min queue
>never had a queue longer than 1min, except when trying to play Cho'gall on day one
HotS died because it's complete garbage. LoL and Dota 2 are shit too, but HotS is on an entirely different level
>>337364249
little to no sex appeal
no hard carrying
individual achievement is literally meaningless
nothing to get the lorefags invested
obvious cashgrab that tried to bank on iconic Blizzard characters after they spent the last decade butchering them all
ran dick first into a market assuming they would dominate it but forgot what happened to all those "WoW killers" in the past
I could go on and on
>>337364249
SC2. Was awful in the first place, only reason it ever survived was because blizzard and kespa threw money at it and literally forced players contracted to play Broodwar to play it.
>Made broodwar players play both games (AT ONCE) in proleague
>most quit, saying they didn't want to play this new shit game
>years later broodwar still has a more robust scene than SC2
>SC2kids pretend like everything is fine
Also it's honestly pretty sad that all the western teams just buy shit-tier koreans too awful to play broodwar. last time I paid attention was in 2012, but by then it was done.
It's a casual piece of trash. Why Blizzard even bothers continuing to throw money at it is beyond me.
Dota 2 won, get over it jews.
>>337365460
true
>thinks it failed
>it's literally the only good moba
I love this Heroes is a bad game meme
>>337366272
>Only 3k viewers on Twitch
Woah, so alive and successful.
>>337365026
PMd u the fix
>>337364249
Everything. It never stood a chance.
>>337364249
but anon, i was playing and it took me 10 second to find a match
>>337366538
true, with Overwatch coming out and Battleborn being SJW.
They should really fire the marketing team...
>>337366272
I love you too~
>>337364506
friends who rage are the worst. i have one friend who's generally good at the game, and we steamroll a good portion of the time, but once he gets killed a couple of times he goes ape shit and starts playing so bad. this is literally every game with him, though. the truth is i don't even think he's autistic or anything, just a cry baby at games.
>>337366538
I can't believe I fell for evolve twice
>>337366875
I have a friend like this but he's absolute dogshit at games. It's so annoying.
>>337366538
i cant get over how retarded that big muscle guy looks. the character design is just so all over the place in that game. it looks like they just took a hand full of shit from scrapped game ideas and threw them into one game, that already hit the ground half dead.
>>337366996
why even play with him then?
>>337364249
>Released way after LOL and DOTA 2
>Less heroes than both
>Game is not better and has nothing new
>>337367748
its only saving grace from being absolutely dead is the blizzard lore, which is (or was) fairly good.
It's a snoozefest. Fun with friends, but with soloqueue it's shit. But then, even with friends I found it to be shit. There isn't any fighting mechanics built in like League. They have to understand their core audience is blizzdrones who have no friends so that's why it failed.
>>337367493
Because I have no other friends that play anything but shitty fps
>>337364249
>hots
>dead
it's running on memes yo
>>337367493
Because he'll throw a hissy fit if I refuse to play with him while we're on skype.
>>337368031
molestro#1912
assuming you play hots?
>>337368047
this person sounds like a fucking blessing to have in your life.
>ArcheAge
>gold sellers d1, p2w, shitty waifu simulator
>>337368358
I'm mean vidya is the only thing I dislike about him but he's cool in pretty much every other aspect.
>>337367748
>Less heroes than both
yeah that's what happens when a game hasnt been in development for 6 years
>has nothing new
teamwide level sharing system
talent system replacing itemization
each map has a unique objective
everything is true damage
classes are actually factored into matchmaking
games END at 20-25 minutes, instead of one team surrendering or getting stuck in their base for 60 minutes
yeah fuck you, it does a ton of things differently and therefore new
>>337364249
Grind2win / pay2win, terrible matchmaking (unavoidable in a game with a small population) to the point of top tier players getting matched against new players literally playing their first few placement matches
>>337367316
i cant get over it either anon. i thought it was a parody at first. i really can't understand how anyone could get past it. it looks like a painfully uninspired, designed by committee mess. like league when it began, only worse.
like, you're game doesn't have to be grimdark and edgy, but there is a point at which you're trying too hard to be goofy and fun...
it just looks dumb, and not in the fun kinda way, like splatoon or something.
>>337368694
>teamwide level sharing system
>talent system replacing itemization
>each map has a unique objective
>everything is true damage
>classes are actually factored into matchmaking
>games END at 20-25 minutes, instead of one team surrendering or getting stuck in their base for 60 minutes
None of these are good things. Teamwide shit means no one carries, but a feeder can still sink the ENTIRE team.
Talent system is complete garbage, there's only one valid build for every hero (even if there weren't, the meta and counter meta would force one build anyway by definition)
The map objectives are shit, there's like three kinds of objective repeated over and over.
Who cares about true damage? Tanky characters are harder to kill than squishy mobile characters, the end result is the same.
True damage only matters in LoL *because* it bypasses armor.
I don't know what you mean by classes are factored into MM, the two teams are brought together and pick/bans start
25 minute thing is preference, most of the time you still have an early advantage deciding the whole game unless the disadvantaged team can hold on til level 20+ when everything equals out again
>>337365026
after having played the overwatch beta, I'm left wondering why HoTS can't run that smooth
fuck, I can't get over how good Overwatch looked and how smooth it ran.
>>337369620
because HoTS was a throwoff and they've been working on OW for a fucking while now.
>>337364249
Same reason why any COD, WoW, GTA, DOTA etc. clone fails
Because normies want their popular and autists want it for the safety and security of the familiar brand.
>>337368694
Yeah, and ? They were late to the party and couldn't provide enough content in a saturated market. That's no excuse.
Now the "management" part of the game sure is different, but the gameplay is fundamentally the same. That's the problem, if the game had been released at the same time as LOL or before, there could have been a competition. But now there's not only LOL, there's also DOTA. 2 popular games for the same genre is already too much.
Honestly the only MOBA that was really different and could have been a hit was Bloodline Champions. But Funcom.
>>337369507
>Jaina, abathur, falstad, zagara, tyrande, uther, tyreal, zeratul , sonya, azmodan, gazlow
>Just one build
Lmao
>>337369853
I don't get what this has to do with normies and autists...Of course a copy will never be as popular than the "original". The only way would be to be cheaper, provide more content, be better.
>>337368031
>autistic
>male blood elf
>hunter
Pretty much what I imagined desu
>>337369507
>None of these are good things. Teamwide shit means no one carries, but a feeder can still sink the ENTIRE team.
It actually means feeding is less effective because enemies cant get individually fed and kills are worth less xp
>Talent system is complete garbage, there's only one valid build for every hero (even if there weren't, the meta and counter meta would force one build anyway by definition)
this isn't true
>The map objectives are shit, there's like three kinds of objective repeated over and over.
they are simple but they focus the gameplay and force constant teamfights, which is fun. they dont need to be super complex to be good
>Who cares about true damage? Tanky characters are harder to kill than squishy mobile characters, the end result is the same.
>True damage only matters in LoL *because* it bypasses armor.
it's unique. every other moba has damage and defense types.
>I don't know what you mean by classes are factored into MM, the two teams are brought together and pick/bans start
its impossible to be matched agianst a team that has a warrior if your team doesnt also have one. Also the matchmaking tries to balance classes in general
>25 minute thing is preference, most of the time you still have an early advantage deciding the whole game unless the disadvantaged team can hold on til level 20+ when everything equals out again
25 minute thing is UNIQUE. every other moba takes forever or people just give up. it has snowballing, LIKE MOBAS SHOULD. and unlike dota or league, it has strong comeback mechanics
what the fuck are yuo trying to argue here, that even though the game is unique on all these accounts, you just dont care? holy shit this is retarded
>>337369620
It's because of the SC2 engine, both games have framerate drops caused by latency, so it's almost impossible to have a completely smooth match.
>>337364249
I do think that for more casual gamers HoTS is the preferred option.
It doesn't keep changing every month and the learning curve is not as steep as DotA or LoL
>>337365803
>>most quit, saying they didn't want to play this new shit game
Ayy
If you are a pro in one game you dont want to adapt to the sequel, thats the norm. Pro players dont care if the sequel is good, they care if they are as good playing them as they were before.
Needles to say, they usually are not.
>>337368031
>choosing to play a genre of games that is supposed to focus on social interaction
>wants the devs of said genre of games to cater to him
These entitled fucks need to get out of MMO's and play single player games.
>>337368248
No I'm pillow
>>337364249
The reason HotS was a failure is because it is the worst example of modern Blizzard game design. That is, putting up walls around the metagame and demanding people play it in a very specific way.
There is not much experimentation to be done in terms of hero builds (as there are no items, only passive talents and a choice between a couple abilities), and if you want to win you MUST chase the map objective each and every game.
The game even tells you, constantly, "hey the map objective is about to spawn! Better get on that shit!"
>>337366538
>How do you want your character designs senpai?
>>337368375
The really sad thing is Archeage is a decent enough game. It was just killed dead by Trion's garbage P2W practices.
>>337370006
who cares if it competes for top spot in the market? it's a fun game. I'm not interacting with a million players at once, so as long as MM can find 9 people, which it always can, i don't see why that matters at all
>>337364872
>Infinite Warfare turns out to be a 10/10 masterpiece that revolutionizes MP shooters
>that success paves the way for 20 more years of shitty rehashes
>>337364393
DotA is better even with randoms since its more faster paced. But yeah, they work better with a team of friends with teamspeak.
>>337364249
5 minute queues is the result of it failing, not the cause.
If I had to think of a cause I'd say it's technical problems. Heroes of the Storm works like shit unless you have a really good internet and a pretty decent PC, so unlike Dota or LoL it's not played by the usual 3rd worlders that populate f2p games.
There is something really horrible about how this game works, basically if you have shit ping, you're gonna have shit fps as well and it becomes unplayable.
>>337370446
>and unlike dota or league, it has strong comeback mechanics
>unlike dota
>strong comeback mechanics
>dota doesn't have strong comeback mechanics
someone hasn't played in awhile.
>>337368031
>>337370810
The worst part is even the creative directors for WoW used to disagree with him. Having 'exclusive content' that 'not everybody gets to see' makes the world feel bigger because there are things in it you haven't seen.
Once you've seen all the areas the game has to offer, the adventure is over. Not everyone is an autist that wants to grind ilevel forever.
>>337371213
I have actually and while they did increase the ability to comeback from a losing game, which was always there, it's one thing to try to comeback in a game that can last an hour vs 25 minutes. even though its possible in dota, it doesnt usually happen until you've been losing for 10 minutes straight and cant leave your base. usually you can only pull it off because of the heroes you have on your team, IE enigma or tidehunter or whatever. and if the enemy team has strong initiation, it cancels that out.
sure, the gold swing is stupid, but its still a rare thing. in hots I see a level swing happen in basically every game
>>337370446
DotA is the Moba with the best comeback mechanics. AKA the hardest carries.
Way too many times has my team been fucked down to 1 barrack until the hard carry hits that power creep and turns the game back.
>>337371026
i never got to endgame or anything and only played very casually but the gliders were fucking awesome and i wish more games would implement more useful mobility things like that.
and no, i dont mean flying mounts. i mean something more freeform and fun.
>>337371429
>sure, the gold swing is stupid, but its still a rare thing
its not rare anymore sir. defending is much easier now and the gold swings are much bigger. you fuck up a few base pushes and you're back to even ground.
>>337370857
>waaah i have to fight players instead of dick around with NPCs...
>>337371040
Well it doesn't for you, and that's okay.
But a dying game means the queue will get longer and longer, and in the end only a hardcore fanbase will still be playing it. That also means it will be hard to find players of an average level.
>>337371774
Every teamfight in HotS is artificially forced by the game. You either go do one to get the map objective or you lose. There's no strategy in it.
>>337371824
fair enough.
>>337371676
perhaps we have differing definitions of rare. all I know is that dota is more snowbally than hots, at least when I play it
WoW and EVE
>gameplay entirely built around grinding
>>337364249
>lying on the internet
it doesnt do Dota numbers but it is Not dead
and ive never had over 2 min que
>>337370770
No, I mean, Blizzard made deals with PC baangs to remove broodwar from their computers and install sc2 instead. they were *desperate* to milk the korean market but they had no idea why they liked the game.
>>337372265
I don't think you "get" MMOs.
>>337369404
What the fuck did you expect from gearbox? all they make is literal shit and edgy sjw memegames.
>>337365460
Sex appeal? Like this fucking picture?
>>337366741
Gearbox is all SJW, no big news. Litterally not a single appealing character in it, not even waifu material, no cool folks, no nothing.
I think HotS comeback mechanics are too strong personally. I've been behind so many games only to win one teamfight and push all the way to core from it thanks to like, a level 20 Immortal or a Garden Terror at the right time.
Comebacks more or less don't exist in competent levels of LoL. DotA has my favourite take on it where most comebacks seem really deliberate, coming less out of opponents messing up and more out of a teamcomp finding its hotspot.
>>337371458
>hardcarries
>existing in Corrupted Dota, aka Dota 2 after 6.82 inclusive
>>337366896
>tfw spent 400 hours on evolve
it was fun while it lasted
>>337366435
>he judges games by how many twitch viewers they have
underageb&
>>337374554
This one.
Fucking Hots is what some painful dota patches was a while ago. Dominate for 60 minutes, lose one fight, lose the game. Just that HOTS takes not long time at all. But those lvls you are ahead means shit, and 1 guy can fuck you over so hard it is not even funny. You cannot steamroll a lane and gain an advantage if 1 member of your team is a idiot too.
Then you win one teamfight and push core and win and the moron is all "YEAH I DID IT!".
>>337366538
what the fuck is up with those character designs?
>>337364249
>Price of skins is triple the price of 1 skin in any other MOBA.
>Number of skins is very limited.
It's like they DEFINITELY don't want money.
>>337375506
lol. it's almost like they're trying to fail.
>>337366435
You're kidding right?
You're not this fucking stupid are you?
>>337374076
my nigga
>>337366435
>>337375790
What else are we supposed to judge its active player base on? Blizzard doesn't post player stats like Valve. Blizzard are cowards.
If nobody even wants to watch it, why would they want to play it?
>>337366435
dont you play video games?
>>337364249
It failed because league and dota have already existed for forever now and no one wants to switch over to a new moba
>>337377280
MOBA's are built around esports. Millions of people play Dota 2 but can still watch matches.
>>337364249
>HotS
>Forced 50% win/loss rate
>anti-consumer shop
>consumer censorship
>>337374076
>>337376782
browder saving video games
>>337378421
This should be literally every dev's response when asked about stupid shit like this, Browder was on point.
All of their abilities and most of the talents feel boring. They even botched interesting concepts like Murky and Abathur. Literally the only fun I had was as Cho'Gall.
The maps are all bland and just kinda have paths and bushed slapped around, their objectives are all basically the same too.
I seriously dont see how anyone finds it fun, especially with how you're even more reliant on not having a retard on your team.
>>337364249
>broken promises
>3 buttons every class
>garrison FUCKING again
ITS KILL!
>>337370906
>Just fuck my shit up.
>>337377434
maybe hots is built around people playing video games.
novel idea?
>>337371957
You can still take advantage of it. Splitpush with a a good pushing hero while rest of your team is holding their team from taking the objective. Also forcing fights is kinda okay. Current season of LoL consists of people running from turret to turret and no conflict. Games literally end with 2 kills in whole game and 50 minutes played.
>>337376782
AW YEEEEAH.
>>337380590
It's built around jewing. It's blizzard. Welcome to 2016.
>>337381751
>based British man
![shplazz1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/XUQQJjR.png "shplazz1[1].png")
>>337364249
Not that it was every alive, mind you, but there used to be at least some semblance of activity.
>>337364331
>neo meme
When will this die?
![social-share[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tr4U2bW.jpg "social-share[1].jpg")
Overwatch
Awful UI
Shitty borderlands combat
Awful writing
>>337383078
Exactly what game is this?
Sometimes I miss the fun time I had in TF2. Started play it later, in 2011. Tried to come back twice, but I can't take how far the game's 70's themes is missed and parachutes, why the fuck they put parachutes in the game?
>>337384182
>parachutes
what
>>337384182
for me I come back and find my skills have gone down the shitter completely. I used to be able to hit 75%+ of all my pipes now I miss all the fucking time.
>>337364249
>5 min queue
this is why I play QM now exclusively, waiting 5-10 minutes for a HL game is just too much for me.
A cheap Overwatch knockoff for poor people.
Turns out poor people don't want to eat shit even for free.
