How do we fix Pharah, /v/?
What about her and Overwatch make her fundamentally less useful than the soldier was in TF2, or Rockets in games like Quake?
But pharah is amazing against everything that isn't a widowmaker
Rockets travel slow
Small health pool
Contrary to her look, Pharah seems to be an ambush character that takes advantage of her super jump. She's not a front-line fighter.
superior rocketfu
>>337349561
She gets picked off like a turkey, ez. And can't deal with targets like Bastion who she is meant to counter.
>>337349680
>can't counter bastion
lol
lool
two hits bastion. Just peek corners and shoot. Thats it and bastion is dead and can't do anything to stop you other then just getting the fuck out of the way.
I wish competitive mode was in the open beta so people could understand their skill level more
>>337349680
>And can't deal with targets like Bastion
are you a fucking baka face
>>337349831
That's three, actually, faggot. Get your math right and figure out how Armor works. Where as Bastion will kill you by the time you show your head the second time (before you can shoot).
>>337349978
but 100% unequivocally objectively wrong and can't be refuted
>How do we fix Pharah?
By shipping her harder with Mercy
>>337349561
>everything that isn't a widowmaker
soldier is potent against her as well
>>337349360
>TF2 Soldier
>slow movement speed, but insanely mobile due to rocketjump
>highest HP of any class except heavy
>able to quickly disengage from bad situations and close distances with horizontal rocket jumps
>fastest class to get from spawn to middle point on nearly every map (sometimes demo is faster) with proper knowledge of rocket-jump roll-outs
>rockets, while slow moving and only moderate damage, have huge splash radius so he can utilize interior areas of the map to kill quick-moving classes
>has a shotgun for dealing with targets that are normally hard to kill with your rockets
>moves incredibly fast when at low HP due to le balanced pickeaxe
>easy to pick up, difficult to master, a class with a lot of depth
>isfun to play
>Pharah
>among the lowest HP classes in the game except for Tracer / Zenyatta
>very limited mobility skill (a vertical jump) tied to a long cooldown
>able to slow falling speed with jetpack boosters, which have "fuel"
>rocket-jump does basically nothing except hurt you
>rockets are slow, weak and have a very tiny splash radius
>has no answer to any class that rockets are lousy against
>crappy knockback ability
>ultimate does a lot of damage but makes you a sitting duck to a myriad of abilities that can punish you
>easy to pick-up, easy to master, no depth
>you'll get bored of her faster than you can say "JUSTICE RAINS FROM AB--AAAUUUGGH"
A direct hit with her rocket easily does over 100 damage
The physics for air-based movement is fucked for everyone except mercy and the gorilla
>mine jump with junkrat
>lose all forward momentum for no apparent reason. fall to the ground like a fucking rock
>dash with the ninja
>instantly stops like he hit a fucking wall
Pharah has the same problem except she doesn't instantly fall; She can slowly float around and get blown the fuck out of the sky.
Soldier in TF2 can take a hit unlike Pharah. Soldier Rockets also fly faster and hit harder. She is Queen of maneuverability so sacrifices have to be made I suppose. Her knockback kinda sucks though.
Make her white
>>337349360
Slow rockets, little splash damage and tiny radius, no secondary or melee because classes in overwatch are 1/3 of a TF2 class.
>>337350291
God I get such a hard on whenever I can float around the sky with her as Mercy, giving her my damage buff for ults, letting her soar like a beautiful eagle through the sky unharmed
Here are the major differences that affect Pharah.
More units can headshot Pharah, Sniper was weaker in TF2 than Widowmaker is here.
There are more "Sniper" classes in this game.
There are more characters with counters to distant, non-moving targets ( Roadhog, Genji, Bastion)
Remaining classes lack damage falloff (hard exception is Reaper), so you can't out distance turrets.
She's slow in the air, Rocket Jump in other games rely on the speed of gravity OR more rocket jumps to keep you from becoming a target, Pharah doesn't have that.
Relative to the rest of the cast, she doesn't have a large health pool the way Soldier did (second or third highest vanilla health if I recall correctly).
The biggest difference is that Blizzard wants you to get in the air and STAY there AND bring your healer along for the ride.
A smaller difference is that there are more fast targets in this game compared to TF2, but I don't think that's an actual problem.
There's no Capture Point or Capture the Flag, meaning there are no maps where teams switch between Attacking and Defending AND moving (King of the Hill requires you to be stationary to a degree), so ambush-play is less effective.
And finally, overhealing, Sym is the only one who can do it right now and it sucks.
Feel free to add to this list or tell my why certain points don't count, this was interesting to think about.
>>337349576
This senpai.
She's fantastic and was my favourite character.
You get behind them and rain rockets whilst darting out of view again. Its easy to clear a path for your own team with her.
But you have retards trying to use her in plain view of the entire enemy team.
>>337349680
>can't deal with bastion
I don't think i've ever died to bastion as pharah
you seem to be terrible at this game
>>337349360
> make her fundamentally less useful than the soldier was in TF2
she has a lower skill ceiling and does less damage, and actually is threatened by multiple other heroes
no class is threatening to a good soldier aside from good scouts and other good soldiers, pharah can be completely fucked in the air by multiple heroes
>roadhog hooks
>mccree stands back and shoots her out the sky
>even junkrat can kill her
>bastion can chip her down if he's ready, but pharah wins this most of the time
>widowmaker/genji/hanzo all shit on her
she has very little air mobility
>>337349360
Whenever I see someone trying to play Pharah like soldier in TF2, I die a little inside.
You can tell when someone has never gone fast in their life.
>>337350540
>i'm only good at easy characters
>>337350552
direct hits do 120, same as junkrat bombs
>>337350626
>pharah
>queen of maneuverability
>her rocket jump does basically nothing
>he mobility skills have long cooldowns
>>337349360
She needs more health.
And increased splash zone.
>>337350540
I think Soldier is easily the least fun class to play against though
>>337350580
>mine jump with junkrat
>lose all forward momentum for no apparent reason. fall to the ground like a fucking rock
You didnt play with it, and talk shit.
>>337349360Git gud
Pharah's rockets have tighter splash than almost all rockets in other games. She can two-shot most heroes if you land them, but otherwise its more like 4-5.
Use conc blast to position, avoid being in the air for no reason at all. Go from there.
>>337350637
I feel like they're 1/3rd TF2 and 1/3rd Moba, lacking the 1/3rd of rounding elements that would make it sensible for them to survive in the world ( like a side arm).
>>337350884
>her mobility skills have long cooldowns
Nigga you wat? Her jetpack recharges to full in a second, or were you too retarded to hold down space?
>>337349561
What?
Soldier76 hard counters Pharah
>>337350637
everyone have melee in OW.
Weak Antiwatch.
>>337350884
You have to use the environment to your advantage to move quickly as Pharah, not just depend on her shift and E.
Plenty of people play Pharah, but 95%+ have no idea how to bring out her actual potential.
>>337350991
Their jump jet has a 10 second cooldown, which is essentially their version of a rocket jump. That hover jet ability is a fucking joke, it doesn't even count as a mobility skill. It's basically just the soldier's parachute item, only you can't unequip it and get a shotgun instead.
>>337350892
Increased splash OR faster rockets.
More health OR more speed.
She feels incomplete, that's why its easy to imagine multiple ways to make her more effective, because instead of having strengths and weaknesses, she just has weaknesses and a weapon (technically).
>>337350540
>pharrah's jump only hurts you
>Soldier's rocket jump
>DOESN'T
>HURT
>YOU
>>337349360
She is neither of those things.
She is the Tribes element of the game.
That's why her jet is also on right click.
>>337350540
>very limited mobility skill (a vertical jump) tied to a long cooldown
>>crappy knockback ability
have a F R E E tip: that knockback works on you, and moves you pretty darn quick.
Regardless of anything else, a rocket jump that can be done at any angle - but costs health - is more interesting and fun than a 1-angle big jump with a 10-second cooldown.
>>337351442
Can't you read?
He's saying that's all Pharrah's rocket jump does while the Soldier gains massive momentum and movement at the cost of health.
>>337350580
>>337350956
he was probably just standing on top of it like a fucking retard
>>337351634
It also doesn't move you fast at all.
Walk up to a wall, hop, and fire directly into the wall. You won't go ANYWHERE.
>>337351247
this is some pretty weak sauce anon.
>heir jump jet has a 10 second cooldown, which is essentially their version of a rocket jump. That hover jet ability is a fucking joke, it doesn't even count as a mobility skill.
False, the jump pack is good, it will easily get you around, just a little slower. Pharah's mobility isn't like a soldier, you shouldn't be trying to play her as such, no wonder you got shit on and made this post.
>t's basically just the soldier's parachute item
No it isn't, you can easily fly up with it to pretty much any ledge or roof.
>you can't unequip it and get a shotgun instead.
Yes, because again THIS ISN'T TF2. If you're getting shit on as Pharah, you hero switch, it's part of the game, anyone who's actually played the game will tell you that.
>>337351710
>implying
https://youtu.be/-qFThhcswak?t=1m9s
Killl yourself you nigger.
Your forward momentum quickly deteriorates
>>337351215
>>You have to use the environment to your advantage
that goes for literally every other character too. 99% of the retards that tried out open beta didn't realize that. They all just picked a character played them like they would play call of duty with no regards to positioning, map, what your class role is etc
>>337351706
They conveniently forgot to mention how Soldier blows off his feet and breaks his legs each rocket jump. Makes his higher health moot to a degree.
It's folly to directly compare the two games. Soldier has few counters but there's only eight other classes. Why is Soldier's lack of weaknesses a good thing necessarily? OW is designed around counters.
>>337349978
>Play what is probably the most mobile character in the game
>Poke out from the same spot
Yeah you're fucking retarded. The entire point of Pharah is that you don't know where she is going to pop out from and launch missiles at you.
>>337350540
Pharah can rocket jump too so your entire post is invalid.
She can also jump on her concussion grenade skill.
>>337350769
Torbjorn can also "overheal" with armour.
>>337352134
>Links a video where one Junkrat consistently makes the jump while baddie can't.
>Forward momentum is lost because he impacts the wall
So what you are saying is that you suck at the game and other players are better than you?
>>337353646
Last point on hanamura.
Kill yourself
>>337350769
>Blizzard wants you to get in the air and STAY there AND bring your healer along for the ride
How are you getting this idea?
What has to happen in your head that you reach this kind of conclusion about the character?
>>337354151
I linked to a specific part of the video that demonstrates the momentum falling off and yet you're talking about the vertical jumps.
Are you really that stupid?
Do you know the difference between horizontal and vertical?
>>337354202
>Cherrypicks one broken point on one map in the game in an attempt to show a character is underpowered.
>Doesn't realize that his rocket is long-range, Bastion can't move, and you don't have to step on to the point in order to shoot at him.
I would agree with you if you said "Hanamura is a shittily designed map". It causes problems for a large number of characters
But thinking this somehow invalidates my point about Pharah only proves that you should kill yourself anon. Especially if you are still struggling against Bastion as Pharah.
>>337354282
The fuck devplay???
make her have limbs
>>337349360
But Pharah is probably the most balanced character in the entire game?
>>337354674
Last point on King's row Defense.
Fuck, first point on King's Row Defense, since everyone knows where you're coming from.
The indoor King of the Hill map.
I'll accept the arguement that it's primarily a map design issue, though, but don't pretend its not more widespread than that.
>>337354875
the first and last both have great flanking for climb characters and climb characters are great for both points
Reminder Phara x Mercy is OTP
>>337349360
Every character in Overwatch can be mastered within 10 minutes of playing unless. There's zero execution required. You literally push buttons and it does it all for you, no timing, aim, or motor skills required.
>>337355259
You're full of shit
Genji is literally harder than anything in that garbage game that is TF2
>Make a game
>Have RANDOM CRITICAL HITS IN IT
LOL!
>>337355259
You know that all those things are not possible because the characters were designed that way, but because Source is literally the simplest engine in the world, which allows all kinds of """"physics"""" shenanigans right?
>>337350540
>Soldier needs to hurt himself to be mobile
>Soldier has limited ammo
>There is this thing on your keyboard called "E" that Pharah can use for mobility, pseudo rocket jumping or dealing with enemies you can't take on at short range
>>337351823
He's talking about the E power, genius.
>>337355821
>He's talking about the E power, genius
So was I
>>337350540
>TF2
>Random critical hits
>Overwatch
>No random critical hits
I wonder which game can be taken more seriously
>>337349650
Battleborn art style is a fucking abortion.
>>337355710
What exactly are you trying to argue? Intentional or not, the fact remains the TF2 has psychics and different mechanics that make it way more complex than anything that's in Overwatch.
>Directly comparing two characters from two different games when the only similarity they share is that they both use rocket launchers
Why not put Anti-Tank class from the Battlefield games and compare them too?
>>337356625
Yeah but at the same time it also has random critical hits which immediately make it a garbage game
>>337356647
Why don't you just shut fuck up cunt?
Because the soldier was one of the objectively easiest classes in tf2.
>pick up soldier for the first time
>shit on entire server
>literally point in their general direction and shoot
the only thing that can stop you as a soldier is another soldier or a competent >pyro
>>337349360
Fuck off, pharah is the bane of my existence as zenyatta. Just two rockets in my general direction and the splash will kill me with no chance of escaping. Same with junkrat just blindly throwing grenades everywhere.
>>337349360
>What about her and Overwatch make her fundamentally less useful than the soldier was in TF2
Pharah has to actually aim
>>337353646
>Phara most mobile
weak bait faggot that goes to Genji
>>337360238
No, that goes to Tracer
>>337349650
My niggah!
Lore-wise, how long after death could Mercy revive someone?
What if she tries to revive someone who died of natural causes?
>>337360285
She has better movement speed when going forward Genji is by far the most mobile and agile when it comes to all around with his double jump climing and wall jumps. Almost any map is his play ground.
>>337360285
Tracer has zero vertical mobility and must climb stairs like a pleb.
>>337360408
This is true. She's better horizontally though.
>>337360384
I do suppose that's a better way to see it. Tracer is better horizontally, Pharah is better vertically, Genji is more well rounded.
Wait, people think she's bad?
I actually stopped playing her because she was so easy to just carry games with. Y'all just need to get good
>>337349360
farrah doesn't have crit rockets, and the game has no fall damage.
This is why her rocket launcher feels weaker
>>337350892
>>337351268
You cannot be serious
Her rockets fucking destroy everything if you even attempt to aim and she can fly around like a fucking phantom. Her biggest weakness is her immobile JUST ult that some strategic flanking/positioning takes care of just fine for the most part.
>>337360784
Her rocket launcher does at least 60 in splash and 120 if it hits head on though.
>>337361001
yeah but crockets do 270 plus falling damage in a game where the max health with overheal is 450
>>337356376
>tf2
>random critical hits which can be turned off and are in serious games
>overwatch
>TWENTY TICK for casuals which can't be turned off, even in serious games
>>337361364
Only three characters who are TANKS have over 300 health. Phara can one to two shot most characters you shitter.
>>337361534
>implying im arguing she is bad or that she can't 1 shot people
I'm just explaining why she feels weaker that the soldier, that class that is made to destroy immobile tanks and sentry emplacements.
>>337361859
But shes not weaker then him the only real difference is no fall damage and if there was fall damage in this game half the cast would be ruined.
>>337349680
>And can't deal with targets like Bastion
>>337351710
Different guy
The game barely gives you any forward momentum. It seems like once you're outside a certain radius you will be imparted the same vector regardless of distance to the device. In any other game with this sort of mechanic you'd be able to get some really horizontal jumps out of it. It feels more like impact hammer jumping in UT4 than it does rocket jumping.
A Pharah is meant to have a Mercy on her team at all times. They're meant to be together.
>>337361530
>TWENTY TICK for casuals which can't be turned off, even in serious games
That's wrong though, there's a 60 tick option for custom games
>>337360368
A long time. She could keep you youthful and immortal. That's why she's best wifey.
>>337362587
The servers are high tickrate, it's the client that's not. Stupid reddit memes.
>>337362147
For reference when you do a double mine jump you should be able to do stuff like tau jumping in hldm but you can't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nOKMPyRGCs
>>337362147
Which points to it more being a intentional balancing decision than the ability somehow being broken for me, especially for respawn.
Honestly I don't think the soldier was initially intended to have the sort of mobility you can get out of beggars + gunboats. If you looked across all pub servers, I'd imagine soldier consistently does better than any other class, so I can see why blizzard would make their equivalent character have much less horizontal mobility.
>>337362587
Which you will hardly ever use because you can't run private servers.
>>337362783
Which one do you think it is that tells the server that you ran behind that wall?
>>337362820
Knowing Blizzard, the reason why jumps feel so controlled in OW is because they are. Blizzard hates mechanics that they can't control, and leaving rocket jumps to the game's physics is the last thing they'll do.
All the boosts/jumping in OW are designed for and implemented as an intentional interaction, whereas the rocket jumping in TF2 is a side effect.
>>337350769
>Blizzard wants you to get in the air and STAY there AND bring your healer along for the ride.
But Pharah has a nice synergy with Mercy just like the Heavy with the Medic or just like my dick with your mom's insides.
It doesn't necessarily means it's meant to be played this way and this way only, Heavy wasn't even picked in TF2 competitive yet the medic was mandatory.
>>337363036
>Knowing Blizzard,
Man if valve stamping out mechanics was bad, I'd hate to see what it would have been like if blizz had been making fps for decades.
>>337349360
her role is supposed to be that of an airborne harasser, to punish teams for grouping up say behind a reinhardt. but splash damage is so worthless, she's much better in corridors and tight quarters because it's literally impossible to dodge the rockets there and direct damage is insane.
buff her splash damage, nerf her direct damage. ez.her ult is mostly fine.
>>337363036
but rocket jumps are in the games physics, they just aren't as good
>>337363402
So what you're saying is, junkrat a best?
>>337363484
They're rocket jumps, anon. They aren't ridiculously fast rocket jumps like what Soldier can do that let him fly from one side of the map to the other faster than Scout can.
>>337363036
>All the boosts/jumping in OW are designed for and implemented as an intentional interaction,
I hope they don't remove that jump at the beginning of russia.
Pharah is fun and if played properly arguably has no counters. She can snipe windowlickers and Soldier 76s and Bastions from across the map with no damage falloff forcing them to retreat or eat more rockets.
>but anon, I can't lead rockets that good! That means she gets countered!
literally get good punks
>>337362798
that level of skill is fucking ridiculous
Pretty sure Pharah is designed to destroy healers.
At least that's how I play her and it works really well.
>>337363713
>has no counters
What is McCree, Widowmaker, Hanzo, ROADHOG HOOK SKILLZ?
>>337349360
Honestly, let her fly more
Like, Armored Core sort of staying in the air firing rockets.
>>337363713
>trained with the direct hit
>got good
you guys got 2 weeks, might as well do this, you'll be good at her in now time
>>337364738
>IT'S HIGH NOON
>step out of sight or E him out of view
>Stuns you, press shift and then E to create distance and fall back/start juggling
>Widowmaker being a counter when you can juke the fuck out of her through your abilities and rocket juggling
>Hanzo
>see above
>Roadhog hooks you
>E, Shift, apply pressure
>>337363036
This so hard. I know the game is designed where if something doesn't work you just change characters, but there could at least be some dynamics to a character.
>>337349650
Why are you stuck in a shit game?
>>337364738
The argument was led with, "If played well," and i'm sincerely hoping you understand that skill will always beat on paper hard counters. A good pharrah will shit on a number of bad players, but same for every other character in the game.
>>337349360
Only people who say Pharah is underpowered are people who want to play her but can't get good. She is extremely powerful when used right
>>337365849
>skill will be hard counters
Yeah you kill pharah as junkrat. Oh sure it's possible but that skill difference has to be massive.
>>337349360
She's slow
She floats like an elephant
It's like I'm skeet shooting
>>337350956
no, hes right.
i played as rat the entire open beta and i should have been able to fling myself like demo, but couldn't. his conc jump starts nice, but you slow down in the air, which you fucking shouldn't given his size.
also fun to conc people into pits and off the side of mexico by cart start.
>>337352134
these guys suck
wow
i figured they would be teaching you how, but they are noob as fuck when it comes to conc jumping. just wish you could use rats nades to jump too.
>>337367941
They do suck but there's not much more you can do with them.
>>337357316
You mad
>>337363490
this, if i see a rein around. i bounce shit BEHIND HIM off walls and shit.
fuck, playing FPS for 2 decades makes me feel eilite as fuck playing this game. i just wish eygpt could rocket jump, then i'd be using her more.
>>337362783
But that's wrong, you fucking retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHO6Ky-w0UQ
tl;dw client sends updates every 16ms, server sends updates every 48ms
>>337366153
yeah, im godlike with rat, so....
>>337368406
Just angling a mine really well is great. Sends his healer in the opposite direction and sends him careening into your forces who will then fuck him raw.
>>337368057
i use concs to dislodge reinhearts or basts. rats nades hurt when they hit direct.
>>337366584
>pharah
>skeet shooting
What are you trying to say anon?
>>337368836
I meant for movement.
Overwatch is designed for braindead women and children.
TF2 is designed for older PC gamers.
>>337351710
Compared with TF2, you lose momentum in the air extremley quickly in Overwatch.
>>337363713
>pharah has no counters
HA
HAHAHA
HAW HAW HAW
literally WHO IS ANY CHARACTER WITH A LONG-RANGE OR HITSCAN WEAPON
>>337368441
>>337362783
Yup. While the servers receives at a tickrate of 60, it only sends at a rate of 20.
This can be changed in custom game settings if you do a private match though.
>>337349680
>play Bastion
>hear a Pharah
>spray a little in turret to get her attention
>go out of turret and watch skies
>100% of the time dumb pharah players leap out in view for pokes
>I just gun them down with three shot bursts
>no spread, better damage than 76
>pharah player shits up chat begging for bastion nerfs
>I go back to turret and pentakill their team for potg
>>337369987
Don't you mean
>killed 2 people at a random unimportant time for potg
>>337349360
You just fix one character when the whole game is retarded.
There's a reason things are the way they are in TF2 whereas Overwatch is just a meltingpot of shit taken from different game and game genre and blizzard just taped the whole thing together hoping it would work and balance itself.
It doesn't. It's shallow and shitty.
>>337369426
Whats sad is how ass backwards 76s relationship with Pharah is
You would imagine accurate rifle man might do well
Except by any remote distance you drop to 5 damage, but die to 2 shots from her (or really just 3 splashes). You have to fully nearly twice (without missing more than 10/50 shots) to kill her.
>>337352875
>OW is designed around counters.
Whereas TF2 is designed around aiming and player skill. Amazing right? You counter people by outplaying them instead of picking another hero and pressing a button
>>337370336
>Whereas TF2 is designed around aiming and player skill.
Maybe around launch. It's basically about counters now thanks to the updates.
>>337370529
Not even close, shitter.
>>337368561
its what i did in TF all the time, its just basic to me.
>>337369079
>TF2 is designed for older PC gamers.
tf is also for casuals, dont kid yourself it is at this point a fucking free to play game
>>337369017
oh, i use it for movement all the damn time
i use it to get where snipers and other stupid classes think they are safe. 99% of the time, i kill them unless i jump in front of them somehow.
>>337370529
kek what?
>>337370750
>tf is also for casuals
>>337355259
>>337350892
I'd say give her the ability to move while doing her ult can give her 25 more health and it'd be fine.
>faster rockets that deal a bit more damage
>make the jetpack not complete shit
SPLASH DAMAGE
SPLASH DAMAGE PLZ
>these shitters thinking she is good
Try playing in competitive overwatch and you'll see how bad she is
>>337371797
Very few here are going to play outside of pubs. In pubs anything goes. Don't pretend that organized comp play and pubs are even remotely the same.
>>337349360
she is completely fine
>>337371941
There is no point in discussing if something is good at low level casual play. It's pointless.
>12 days to go
>TWELVE DAYS
>>337371797
This will happen in ranked when it launches and it will be fucking awful
Autists raging 24/7 that you aren't playing THE META?!?!?!?
>>337372181
That's kind of my point. It's going to lead to stupid shit like this >>337372315
>>337371797
she gets picked in comp though
>>337355710
I didn't know some there were people on this board retarded enough to think rocket jumping in tf2 was an accidental consequence of a shitty engine.
If you don't know jack shit about the subject why the fuck would you willingly embarrass yourself by taking the most stupid guesses ever? Have you no shame?
>>337372489
How can we even talk about comp and meta at this point?
The game hasn't even launched.
Either makes her rockets faster or deal more splash damage.
For a fully armored looking character, she's squishy as fuck. More hp would help.
Add a secondary ability to her rocket jump, a stomp of sorts for quicker descent.
>>337372872
people were playing comp in closed beta which lasted like a year.
>>337349360
As a Pharrah Main I just think she should have the last 50 of her health to be armor and that's it. It's just a slight buff in survivability from getting one shotted.
>>337373279
how does armor work?
isn't it just health you can't recover?
>>337373710
Half damage
>>337373795
no shitter, armor reduces the damage you take by 5 points everytime you take damage
>>337349360
She doesn't deal nearly as much damage as soldier, nor as rockets from quake/UT
But she is still super good, better then a lot of the other assault classes. If she would be any better, she'd be OP just like soldier.
>>337373710
it's recoverable but for normal health you could see that you take damage at a 1:1 ratio (ie. if an enemy gun shoots you once for 14 damage, you'll lose 14 health points) whereas armor loses it at about a 2:1 ratio (if the same 14 damage gun hits you you'll take 7 damage up until you run out of armor hp and move into regular hp)
>>337373710
-5 damage or if the incoming damage is less than 10 it halves the damage taken.
>>337351002
The word you're looking for is soft counter.
>>337370978
parachute, for casuals
razorback, for casuals
piss sniper, for casuals etc
the games rocket jumping mechanics are slightly more complex but that doesnt change the fact that the majority of players wont be able to pull off 2 consecutive rocket jumps (full of casuals)
in turn the scout equivalent in overwatch is much harder to aim with and play, you actually have to aim for critical spots rather walking up to pop a shot up close for 100 damage, anywhere you aim. talk about casual, rewarding plays that require no skill.
>>337349360
How can you fix what is perfect?
>>337350540
But the biggest problem with Soldier is that hes clearly OP. Pharah is at least balanced
>>337373182
So you're telling me we know the meta from a closed beta that doesn't even include balance changes from updates?
>>337351247
You're meant to rapidly tap your space bar to stay afloat, you fucking nigger. By the time you're forced to land you'll have about 2 seconds of cooldown on your Shift rocket boost.
>>337374876
there haven't been any balance changes since the closed beta
>>337349360
>How do we fix Pharah, /v/?
What needs fixing? She's fine, if a bit too fragile
git gud
>>337375087
You're telling me we have a meta from a closed bracket of players that isn't even a fraction of the playerbase?
overwatch needs a ctf mode.
>>337375436
I don't know if it would work in this game...it'd be interesting to see.
>>337375436
The only way for that to work would be to deactivate abilities when you're carrying the flag.
he has less mobility, even though she has a fucking jetpack.
>>337375741
jesus genji and especially tracer would dominate
>>337375838
Fuck those two. You know who would be the worst? Mercy. Especially if the team also has a Pharah.
>>337375409
yes, it's the same as any other game.
>>337350908
>not enjoying rocket jumping around the map, getting airshots and juggling fools
>>337375436
>6 Tracers vs 6 Tracers.
>first rumored hero is a healing support sniper
>>337376329
Pharah's mom?
>>337376329
Where did this start? The only article I read about this referenced 4chan as the origin of the rumor.
>>337376051
What I'm saying is it's way too early to even start to realize what the meta is. A majority of people are still learning the game and characters.
What exactly is the advantage of projectile weapons in this game; splash is small and so is splash damage, directs do good damage but since their firing speed is so slow DPS favors hitscan.
Seriously do Blizz even understand that projectiles are harder to aim than hitscan.
>>337376494
Just pick tracer and blink around killing shit. Or pick McCreed and ulti the living shit out of everyone. Or pick Reaper and ulti the living shit out of everyone. Or pick any of the spam classes and spam the living shit out of everyone.
Also, remember that you're 12 and you breath through your mouth.
>>337355259
The way the soldier decelerates at the end there kinda triggers me. Was TF2s physics that bad?
>>337376628
>since firing speed is slow
>>337351462
The only correct post in this thread, fucking hell you guys are a bunch of dried up shits.
>>337351462
Not even tribes 2 played as slowly as she did.
>>337376667
spoken like a true idiot.
>>337371797
>competitive
>overwatch
choose one
>>337376721
you have slight aerial control over your jumps which also is altered by how fast you're going. It's also very very difficult to pull something like that off while in the middle of a match.
>>337376318
>Bastions and torbs set up camp
>WOOOOOOW WHERE DID ALL MY HEALTH GO
>>337371797
she's one of the most picked characters
>>337376380
>>337376481
you can see a character model that isn't in the game being worked on in the documentary.
>>337374475
All that crap is optional and made solely for people who can't play worth a shit. Those people are still bad even with crutches.
Overwatch goes the extra mile by not even showing stats so "everybody is a winner" and everybody has an instant kill button.
>>337377324
Did it look anything like this?
>>337377325
TF2 already hides stats for players outside of points. (which are meaningless)
>>337362890
But he just said you can if you run a custom game...
Are you dumb or something?
>>337377324
link to it please
>>337356017
It knocks you back like 10 meters, I've used it multiple times to get out of a dangerous situation.
Not to mention making people fall off the map or down the well on ilos. That shit is comedic gold.
>>337376329
That's pretty sexy.
>>337377432
It looked like Sombra, who might be Pharah's mom imo, or Athena. I'm trying to find the pic of the dev working on the model right now.
>>337377518
But there's still K/D for TF2, isn't there?
>>337376729
your still out DPS'd by a good deal of hitscan, not to mention hitscan can headshot so even more DPS
>>337376819
Not necessarily no, but you can take some elements from tribes 2 from it, concussive grenade jumping, midairing, I don't even need to talk about leading someone with a grenade and midairing them. If they made her jumpjet much more faster jesus I would fucking wreck every single one of you bioderms
Why are there so many shazbots in this thread? Fuck
>>337350193
120 damage rockets vs 300 health bastion
>>337355546
>Genji
>Hard
HAHAHAHA; I could easily slice my way through the whole team while shooting my little stars across the map. Hard? No.
>>337377528
im trying to find it. but the character model itself was not detailed and had what looked like a hood on the head.
>>337377432
>mother has eye of ra on the left side
>daughter has eye of horus on the right side
good taste blizzard, they did their research for once
>>337377797
You can even simulate skiing by landing on a sloped roof.
>>337377432
You can tell where Pharah got her god-tier looks
What /v/ thinks Blizzard's approach to Pharah was:
>Uhhh
>TF2 had a soldier
>So just maker her Solider
>But make it easier
What it more likely was:
>So the game is very 'horizontal' and people's feet are on the ground more often than not
>Lets make a hero with a more "vertical" playstyle
>What kind of weapon suits that playsty- rockets? yea, rockets.
>Oh, neat, that also gives mercy some extra mobility and makes her more fun to play
>Babies complain because Pharah isn't point-and-click faceroll like the Soldier
>>337376932
Oh, you really got me there. Now what? Are you going to call me 'salty'? Or are you going to play your childrens game with shitty tickrate, classes made for casuals and have 'fun' with your 'friends'? I bet you are. You've just shown me, kid. I'm in tears rite now.
>>337352134
>watch video
>it's 5 minutes of an idiot that doesn't know you need to jump while detonating for maximum momentum/height
>this one retard who cant corner peak to kill bastion
>>337350908
if you play bad classes like engineer or spy, I enjoy fighting against decent soldiers as a soldier/demo/scout. Medic even, since surfing their rockets away out of harm is fun.
>>337378381
I play with friends, loving my 60hz tickrate.
>>337377990
>>337378203
Pharah is so good looking that it causes me physical pain
Fuck everything
Bastion is o p pls narf
1. baston shoot many hurt babushka
2. baston hard like rusian tank
3. bastion make tyime life of game hard
>>337378796
>/fit/ pharah
I NEED TO STOP FAPPING SOMEBODY HELP
>>337349360
Pharah's problem is that she can't maintain momentum. Sure you have the concussion blast, but after half a second, she's slowed to a crawl. Which is bullshit because what could possibly be slowing her down that much when she's in mid air?
>>337378945
it would be awesome if she kept her momentum, how do we get blizzard to do that?
>>337379136
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Played closed beta to 100, got to 50 during the weekend. Played Pharah A LOT and I personally think she's fine right now.
The difference between a Pharah players and a good Pharah player is using their conc blast whenever its up.
>>337378208
That or the "built in high ground" character came first then they built Mercys concept around the ability to follow everyone including the flyer.
>>337377990
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>>337349360
i mained soldier in tf2 but i just dont feel the similarities with pharah
wat do?
>>337349360
Her rockets don't seem to deal as much splash damage as in other games and she's quite fragile. I think the rockets are workable though, she could probably use a slight buff in survivability but that's it.
>>337379613
Because there aren't any? Soldier is all rocket jumping. Pharah doesn't have it.
>>337379159
Er well we don't, because that would raise the skill ceiling for her too much and then a skilled pharah could beat any class in the game, especially when so much of the cast have short range/non-hitscan wepaons. The game is for casual audiences, so they're not going to put in something fast and high-skill like that.
>>337349360
We don't. Her dependence on mobility and accuracy is what makes her so fun.
>>337379338
I just started to learn to rely on my conc blast.
It's the best on levels with pits
>>337379613
play tf2
Soldier honestly just has so much more mobility options than Pharah. Pharah can hover slowly and has a rocket launcher, compared to a soldier that can build momentum by shooting his feet.
>>337378381
you're retarded. but i think you deserve an explanation.
>Just pick tracer and blink around killing shit.
even though she high skills to be used. her hp is shit and she cant take on tanks and multiple characters
>Or pick McCreed and ulti the living shit out of everyone.
except that mcree has the hardest ult to use in the game
>Or pick Reaper and ulti the living shit out of everyone.
reaper is the weakest offensive hero in the game and is actually better on defense. so if you let him get the upper hand to use his ultimate. you are bad and so is your team.
i dont understand why you are so assblasted about ults. to build ults you have to get kills and deal damage (healing works too). you have to be good and you get rewarded for being good. but you're so garbo you can't even do that and complain about it.
>>337379614
QUAKE ROCKETS, fast and little splash. Funny how people can complain about them, if you can aim they are fucking ridiculously good. I can 1v1 close range Reaper, McCree, Tracer or Genji easily, and that's playing against tryhard 6 stacks.
>>337378064
yes this too, I laughed like an autist when I discovered it
>>337349360
have mercy hand holding her and she suddenly amazing.
>>337379274
More torment for you
Didn´t even need concussion
>>337380218
Can Mercy damage buff her while she's ulting?
>>337376329
Kinda hoped for some debuffer class.
>>337380438
of course.
>>337380505
That sounds awful
>>337380413
>that little twitch at the 3rd missile fire
yup, thats a ut player
>>337368406
damn fuck son, you elite
let's smash enemies together
>>337368406
this nigga gets it
it feels like I'm toying with people with that grenade, goddamn it feels great
>mfw I hook Genji while he is trying to kill my team
>mfw I hook McCree during High Noon
>mfw I hook Pharah while shes trying to rain justice
>mfw I hook Reaper during Die Die Die
>mfw I hook Tracer while shes trying to avoid me
>mfw I hook their Bastion into my team
>mfw I hook Genji or Widow off their tower
>mfw I hook Torb away from his turret
>mfw I hook Dva as soon as she jumps out of her mech
>mfw I hook a charging Reinhardt
>mfw I hook Mercy away from her healing friend
>mfw I hook a Junkrat trying to minejump
>mfw I pop a juice box and heal 300hp for free
>mfw you cannot see my face
how is one hero so fun and absolutely not fun to play against?
>>337379542
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>>337381283
because his hook has too long of a range atm. If it's a little shorter it'll fix a lot of his problems. HIs movement speed should be slower on his alt as well.
>>337380446
So much this. Give us a cyberwitch with hexes and shit. Another aerial character to boot. Hire me Blizzard I have better ideas than you.
>>337381305
>knkl
holy shit he's actually gotten decent
>japanese audio pharah
stern, professional no bullshit-as fuck soldier, Ilove it
>>337381283
Now show me yfw Zenyatta turns you into a paper bag
>>337381584
he git gud anon,to be fair digital art is a lot of fun
>>337378796
pharah is nothing but a torso now though
her arms and legs are robotc
>>337381813
here we go again
>>337381283
>posting a dude with a huge hitbox in a Pharah thread
dude shut the fuck up there's nothing wrong with any of the characters, the only thing that needs to be done is a genji nerf. that's it. now fuck off
>>337381283
>mfw I hook Dva as soon as she jumps out of her mech
the absolute madman, love to see this
>>337379852
>fast
What do you mean? Her rockets aren't especially fast.
>>337356376
>TF2
>Must find enemies yourself
>Overwatch
>Red outline on full body on anything peeking, can see the red pixels no matter how far they are
Guess which game is the most casual and coddles you into thinking you have any awareness.
>>337381508
>>337380446
Poison is a debuff
>>337382116
tracer player detected
they were a shit ton faster before they got nerfed into what they are today
>>337381283
>tfw you get Discord on you and explode in 0.01s like the easy to hit fatty you are
>>337382136
The red outlines are done for two reasons: to differentiate teams as an alternative to red/blu-colored skins, and because blizzard is too lazy to bother optimizing silhouettes so they just throw a red indicator on the thing
>tfw blowing up niggers with my rocket science skills and getting POTG
Is Pharah literally the most fun character to be good with?
>>337382346
mah nigga
>>337382158
>It's just a fucking (not even very) stylized hazmat suit
Please god no
>>337382136
>TF2
>Nothing
>Overwatch
>Health Bars and Animations telling you if you're winning an engagement and if youre in insta kill range when you press shift/E
>>337382432
>spam rockets in general direction
>be good with
>>337382478
Hazmat suits are cool though
>>337382136
Aren't TF2 characters coloured differently?
>>337349360
Apart from using rocket launchers soldier and pharah play nothing alike. Winston and D.va are much closer to soldier in their playstyle.
>high mobility
>high health
>low movmeant speed
>close quarter fighters
>excellence at causing chaos
>>337382432
go away goonshit
>>337380446
Zenyatta baka
>>337382171
I only played in the open beta, no idea what Pharah was like before. Got a few hours in as her and the rockets didn't seem too fast and the splash damage felt pretty low, but direct hits are powerful. I could deal a decent amount of damage as her though, I don't think her damage output necessarily requires buffing.
>>337382665
They all wear very bright red or blue shirts depending on their team.
>>337382624
They really, really aren't, bro.
>>337382665
You can still not notice a sniper far off in the screen. Which happens a lot if you spectate others while dead.
Ths is not something in overwatch. There is a reason why casuals think Bastion is broken, and that reason is that Blizzard gave us automatic alarms on our screens. A widowmaker or hanzo is peeking in your sight? You know he's there.
>>337382624
>baggy and shapeless
>the worst colour in the visual spectrum
>>337382879
enjoy dying of super aids while I comf up in my hazmat suit
TF2 is still the better game, any other opinion is absolute trash blizz droning.
>>337382992
Maybe, but in any case I played enough TF2 to not feel like playing it anymore.
>>337382965
hazmat suits are the horsement of the apocalypse
when you see one you know that shit's going down
>>337382992
TF2 died 5 years ago, it's not the same game anymore.
>>337383151
pretty much this. tf2 is plagued with too much stupid design.
>>337382136
>coddles you into thinking you have any awareness
Obviously TF2 if you don't think it's the same case with bright enemy uniforms against the level's color palette.
>>337370529
this is bait
>>337382907
So what you're saying is that it gives a low tier character a chance against mid tier characters.
>>337382992
Games are meant to be fun, therefore fun = better, and I don't have fun playing Hat Fortress 2 anymore. Enjoy your autism.
>>337383750
>I don't like it so your autistic
What a cunt.
>>337382665
No however they were designed with unique silhouettes in mind.
>Beta's over
>Just installed an update file
What gives?
>>337383848
It's not because I don't like it. I wouldn't have played TF2 for so long if I didn't like it. It's because resistance to change and beating dead horses are literally diagnostic of spectrum disorder. Stay mad though kiddo.
>>337380446
Zenyatta has a pretty fuckign poweful debuff and given his low healing output it's pretty much why you pick him.
>>337383939
What silhouettes are difficult to distinguish in Overwatch?
>>337383962
You probably still have the version on there, so the it might be a balance change or update that just hasn't been tested by the public yet.
>>337382793
He has a debuff skill but it is not his focus.
>>337384068
I often mix up reinhardt and tracer. I think it's the accents.
>main tf2 soldier
>play pharoah
>literally no mobility
>can only go up and has the shittiest jetpack in existence
>rockets barely even touch tanks unless you get 6 directs
>ult is okay I guess
in the garbage unless they change it
>>337349360
Give her 300 HP or more damage on direct hits or something like that. bigger clip size maybe?
>>337349360
She has low health I'd say 200 hp in OW is comparable to a 125 class in TF2.
She has almost no Horizontal movement
The cool downs on her skills are long
Only one form of attacking
Rocket jumping "works" in overwatch, its just really not all that useful. Kinda slow honestly.
Her hyper is kinda shit, ok at killing, will most likely die before it kills.
Her Knockback ability can lead to some jumps, but the cd on it is insanely high, you're not going to get anything resembling a Soldier Rollout
Doesn't possess the mobilty to really flank anything, let alone play Roamer.
Hovering is very slow, and leaves you open.
She's an ambush class at best, but really sorta easy to counter.
Overall her flying is really bad, she flies like a drunk bumble bee, she should be the master of the air, but really all being in the air does for her is make her a widowmaker's free kill.
Overall she's way too slow in the air to achieve anything significant, unlike Soldier who can go so insanely fast that only the best of snipers will get him in the sky.
>>337384168
Totes bro, the Anglo Saxon group is still to close to its Germanic predecessors
>>337384068
I never said any were. Although one that does come to mind and actually confused me in one game is I mistook a McCree in the white alternate for the mariachi Reaper skin (since I knew about the mariachi skin but didn't know McCree had a white alt) and he picked me off from far away because I assumed he didn't have a bullshit life ending revolver.
The only real issues in recognizing characters comes from skins and it will only get worse as they inevitably release more. A small issue but annoying nonetheless since it should be pretty preventable.
>>337384249
direct hits already do 120 damage
>crave overwatch but can't play
>decide to play some TF2 instead
>hit up valve server
>chat is being spammed with GET LMAOBOX THE BEST HACK...
>2 hackers on the server running around headshotting everyone
>switch to another valve server
>2 annoying kids in voice chat are both yelling "SHUT UP" at each other with a heavy east european accent
>>337382360
I just figured that it's so players could wear any skin without being confused as the enemy but okay.
is tf2 still fun
I need something to burn time for Overwatch and I fucking hate the current patch for League.
>>337384068
Tracer and pilot suit D.va is the only one I can think of
>>337384320
Well, go take a look at the DPS soldier 9324023840 puts out and compare that to 120
>>337384195
Learn to propel yourself around with your concussive blast. Since you didn't even mention that you need to stop judging her and actually learn how to play her before you start demanding changes.
>>337380890
why is that?
>>337384195
>hurr she requires more skill she's shit
Pharah's perfectly good bro
>>337384324
>mfw lmaobox was detected weeks ago
>mfw you're full of shit
>>337374259
Armour protects you for 50 percent of damage or 5 points max, as far as I am aware?
>>337384335
Played a few matches earlier and yeah it still is. Go nuts.
>>337362995
More
>>337384306
Reaper and McCree are a (rare) example of a similar body type but the way Reap holds his shotguns is unmistakable.
>>337350540
>pharah's jump is vertical only
>the maps have no verticality
blizzard you fucked
>>337384405
As someone who snipes with hanzo/widow/mcree, the way air movement works in this game means that as soon as a pharah is in the sky she is dead no matter what she does.
>>337384054
His actual damage output (for a support) is nothing to scoff at either. The headshot damage with Discord is fucking real, like 180 I think, if you aim well you can burn through pretty much any character. Transcendence is pretty good too.
>>337357316
Why? because he's right for calling you idiots?
>>337384432
nah you can still hack
there was just a ban wave 2 weeks ago.
it doesnt mean people cant hack any more
>>337384405
>>337384413
>concussive blast barely does anything and is on a 5-6 second cd. basically a disengage/gimmick for WoW players who can't get enough of the one shaman mechanic blizzard did right: knockback
tf2:
>every rocket can propel you
>can rocket pogo, wall jump, etc. to increase your mobility exponentially at the expense of health
>actually gives soldier a skill ceiling to separate the boys from the men
>pharoah literally does none of these things, has a low hp pool to boot
>if a competent player just looks up her entire class is shut down
>feel like i can do much more damage on soldier 76/have more mobility while just popping my win the game button whenever a tank isn't nearby
but you guys know best surely which game takes more skill
>>337381283
I play zenyatta the most and fucking love hunting roadhogs. Just throw an orb of discord on them, watch them miss the hook then slowly roast them as they try to get away. Funny as fuck seeing such a huge tank run away from you.
>>337384410
has to do with strafing, moving your mouse in a little angle will get you just a little bit further, its silly but it feels good doing it, something like a ritual. especially while using a shockrifle
>>337383962
That might just be the actual game file and Blizzard will continually update it to the full release build.
Don't know if that happened on Console before.
>>337384984
>literally spit on a zenyatta
>he dies
Very sad!
>>337384979
there are people in this thread right now that will argue that shitty concussion blast is comparable to rocket jumping
even pharah's boost is slow
>>337384979
aren't all the other TF2 characters basically skill-less except the demoman
>>337384979
>concussive blast barely does anything
Again, you're only outing yourself as never having used it correctly. It can launch you across a map if used on a wall in an extremely similar way to wall jumping with rockets.
>>337385039
I don't do that and I've been playing UT since 99
>>337385153
I foresee a small HP buff for him. Blizz knows he's the most underwhelming support but they also don't want to go back to the times when he was the only support picked because he had insane damage and healing.
>>337384979
>>337384195
Why are you shitcans comparing pharah to soldier? holy fuck /v/ is dead when none of you ever heard of tribes
awful fucking bait
>>337381283
He's too easy to play. His hook is too lenient on pulls. Sometimes I try to aim around someone and still get hooks.
>>337384979
I don't know which game takes more skill but I sure know which of the two characters takes more skill. Why don't you try educating yourself and finding out why competitive players use her so often? Your reasons literally out you as a shitter unwilling to learn what the characters strengths actually are.
>>337385039
Ok no nvm, I just looked at my footage and I do that.
WHAT THE FUCK
>>337385193
its not necessary
>>337384278
soldier is easy as fuck to hit in the sky but bodyshots will take less than half of his health away and even if you land a headshot you only do 150 dmg and he can survive.
in overwatch loading up a shot takes half a second and it does 150 dmg but it's not just widowmaker.
the dmg of this game in general is a lot higher than tf2 + you get retarded ultimates.
>>337349360
She needs more splash OR higher projectile speed.
>>337385284
>has a jetpack
>hurr tribes
she's more comparable to soldier and you know it
>>337349360
Larger splash damage, longer reload time. Direct hits cause knockback while a direct hit with her pushback alt causes stun on the enemy as well.
Have damage do more over distance, rather than less.
>>337385149
If that's the case then it's just redundant since I'm buying it physically
>>337384432
>>337384938
aye this happened a few hours ago. don't know how bad the hacking is in general but that's what I've seen today and as far as I know this shit is around for a long time.
>>337385501
She's not comparable to Soldier.
>>337385158
Scout Medic and Sniper also take skill
Pyro, Engineer and Heavy take basically nothing.
Spy is a mixed bag.
>>337385284
>heh tribes is better kiddo
that's why it's still relevant right?
haha get trashcan'd son
>>337385501
>has a rocket launcher
>hurr soldier
ignoring reality is not healthy
>>337378208
This, fucking christ finally someone gets it.
>>337385653
They think skiing is so complex and skill based when it's simply memorization of routes to gain the most optimal speed
lol
>>337385178
>Again, you're only outing yourself as never having used it correctly. It can launch you across a map if used on a wall in an extremely similar way to wall jumping with rockets.
gonna need a source on that. From what i've seen so far/tried myself, you go really slow and not far at all and you cant chain them because of the cool down.
Also the ping severely effects your trajectory, I think it has to do with the server predicting the rockets or something, but if the latency is just bad enough, you'll get huge deviations on your jump even if you shoot forward.
It really isnt comparable to Soldier jumping. You really dont need to get defensive about it/ start defending shit game mechanics, honestly you should be asking blizzard to change it so we'll enjoy overwatch more.
>>337385765
>tribes ascend
fuck outta here poser.
>>337384984
>be Zenyatta behind Reinhardt
>see a pig
>discord
>headshot twice
>pig panics
>starts healing
>shove robot balls down his throat until he dies
Tanks never give Zenyatta the respect he deserves. His damage is very good, the only issue is hitting consistently, which is hard on small, quick targets. It's trivial on fatties though and he can burn through them like nobody's business. It's even funnier with D.Va, her meka goes down in 3 shots and has a huge head hitbox.
>>337385578
Yep just saw a sketchy as fuck sniper, the usual shit. Twitchy as fuck and instant headshots. DCed after a round was probably testing
>>337378208
or they thought
>hey we should make a rocket launcher hero
>cool, it should have rocket jumping
>rocket jumping feels weird though, lets give it a jetpack instead
and so phara was born
>>337385612
>...were his last words before a pyro reflected his lucksman arrow with an airblast back to his face
>>337349360
apart from direct rocket hits knocking back more, she is fine as she is, a glass cannon.
>>337386005
>it's a low health jetpack hero
>with limited horizontal mobility
>>337386028
Oh wow, a cute thing the Pyro can do, totally means the class is l33t shit! XD
>>337384740
135
>>337383249
Actually you're wrong, it's still the same game with just a bunch of garbage weapons. It's the community that isn't the same anymore.
>>337386028
>it's a pyro player trying to convince others his class takes skill post
you're just baiting, r-right?
>>337386289
What's so wrong about her being low health? And maybe they wanted her to be limited in horizontal mobility so she can't just fuck off when under fire
this thread is huge and I didnt want to fan through it but as far as normal MM/pubs go Pharah is really fine...I played her probably 25% of my playtime in beta and consistently topped the board. She is pretty squishy but her rockets travel very fast and her cooldowns are pretty short, just requires good positioning. The only thing I really dislike is her ult, it can be powerful but its just way to easy to gun her down with hitscan while shes doing it
>>337382965
>>337382879
Would you like it better if there was a hot girl inside the suit and she took her helmet off every 5 seconds?
>>337386005
>feels weird
nah more like people will feel bad when they cant rocketjump day 1, so lets just give her a jump jet on cooldown and a jetpack
>>337385309
the current consensus is that the difficulty in overwatch comes from the burden of knowledge and learning team compositions/ matchups/ when to switch classes
Virtually all pros agree that the game is less skillful/ less mechanically demanding. There's no need to get defensive if we tell you the game you got is less skillful.
You can still play the game seriously. You are actually free to enjoy it any way you want.
>>337386389
furfags runneth rampart
>my dick when all those cheating mlg esport sniperfucks were banned when they were riding their cocks like a carousel
fucking based valve for once
>>337368406
I almost feel bad playing Junkrat. He's like a Demoman that can sticky jump without getting hurt, and has unlimited ammo.
I have enough experience with grenade trajectory that no one can hide. Also martyrdom fucks up Genjis that try to NOTHIN PURSENUL me
>>337371797
>Competitive
>>337386553
>ITT: TF2 soldier mains who can't simply admit Soldier in TF2 is OP and in Overwatch they actually have to play like a glass cannon.
so nice seeing all these tears. I hope that cancer stays in TF2 where it belongs.
>>337376721
that's how movement has been since half life 1
it's rather slow in tf2
>>337386886
Preach it brother
>>337386742
>nah more like people will feel bad when they cant rocketjump day 1, so lets just give her a jump jet on cooldown and a jetpack
rocketjumping is not hard
good rocketjumping is
but there's also the issue of a specific class having ridiculous, incredibly powerful mobility with no skillcap when the rest of the cast might not be able to fly across a map in 5 seconds flat
>>337370148
Everything Pharah has seems to be designed to fuck Soldier 76 up the ass. Her superior DPS beats his and her conc grenade can neuter his healing AOE.
>>337379852
>QUAKE ROCKETS, fast and little splash. Funny how people can complain about them
Quake rockets have decent splash, you can spam them forever, and people do complain about them.
>>337386992
to add: it would be much better if every class had a specific skillcap with tricks that allowed them 1000% the performance of normal play but if it's not a standard it's understandable that they don't want one specific class to have them
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>>337387320
Damn it Reaper, go to bed.
>>337365607
>Mcree stuns you
You die, you don't have time to get away
>Widowmaker
Once you use your boost you're one of the easiest kills in the game, if you're in mid air without your boost your dead. Having a Widowmaker on the enemy team means you're unable to use air to your advantage
>Roadhog hooks you
Roadhog's hook has a .5 second stun tied to it and if he's holding left click and aims for your head he can fire .2 seconds after the hooks has completed. If you're hooked and he gets the headshot you're dead, there's no hitting e shift or circling him.
You have no idea what's going on in the game you claim to play.
>>337387092
>soldier 76 can burst fire hitscan headshot people across the map with no bullet drop/spread
>has an aimbot ult
>tanks can't defend her when she's in the air
come on, anon.....
>>337380413
I'm not trying to talk shit or anything, but you're a level 3 playing against other low level players. I was doing the same thing when I first started playing.
The problem arises when you start playing level 20+ who actually know what they're doing, and will have their entire team ram their cocks down your throat the second you start firing.
>>337386992
it is hard, we just have that muscle memory and have practiced enough.
Rocket jumping is like a language or a dance, it's hard to learn at first, but eventually it just feels like breathing.
I dont think we are fit to comment on the difficulty of it.
>Play overwatch beta
>It's fucking boring as fuck
>broken as fuck heroes like bastion able to one shot whole team
why the fuck am I getting itchy as fuck to play Pharrah though, fuck I don't want to buy the game I just want to play Pharrah though.
fuck you blizzard.
>>337387658
aim at feet+fire+jump+(possibly)crouch is fucking easy I don't care how bad you are
>>337387675
>bastion
>broken
just hook him or pick genji
>>337387459
that is all well and good but i've never lost to a S76 as Pharah in a clear 1v1. The match is as even as a scout/soldier matchup which is always in the soldiers favor
>>337387675
Congratz, you've contracted waifuism.
>>337387616
Not the guy who was in the video, but yes thats a problem especially with widowshits around the map, its usually better not to be that vertical in the sky but more at an angle and preferably away from widows
I miss it so much it hurts familia
>>337387767
i guess, if your only objective was to get into the air, then yeah it's pretty simple, but for the most part, we want to get from A to B and rain hellfire on the way there.
>>337387851
>Play Genji
>wait until Bastion shoots me
>reflect
>he stops shooting
>stop reflecting
>Shoots me
after a couple of times doing it they catch on and fuck you up.
>>337387941
this
i don't remember having so much fun with any game recently
>>337387915I just find playing her fun, the rest of the game sucks ass though
>>337387984
after a couple of times you should have won the game
>>337387658
Rocket jumping isn't complicated and nothing about continuous rocket jumping can be compared to "language" or "dance".
In every TF2 server I've ever played on Soldiers rocket jump all the time, it only takes a moment to realize that shooting and jumping moves your body with the blast. After that it's just about remembering the map and knowing where you can rocket jump next.
>>337349360
I would start with her jets so i can fly with her forever
>>337387675
>broken as fuck heroes like bastion
>>337387941
I haven't been this excited and posted this frequently since mass effect 2, when /v/ was temporarily called tali vas normandy
my only hope is that blizzard doesn't get blinded by the whole e-sport shit and start making balancing shit out of the ass to appease mobafags
this may be a little off topic but
>be of egyptian descent in real life
>parents and I came over to the states in the late 90s, didn't enjoy being in sand-istan
>enjoy video games growing up
>learn about egypt in america
>apparently the only thing I learned egyptians did from the West's perspective was "MUH PYRAMIDS" and "MUH PHAROAHS N SHIT" for my entire life here
>was excited to see that blizzard was creating more original characters for overwatch with some national flair similar to tf2
>it's an egyptian character
>literally has a hieroglyphic on her face and a Ra battlesuit
fucking kill me
>>337387984
Then you're doing it wrong.
Use cover. Use your mobility to attack from a different position. Shuriken are great vs stationary targets.
>>337387892
That's fine and dandy, but soldier is one of Pharahs hard counters. As a rank 200 closed beta player I can say soldier absolutely should beat pharah in an even 1v1.
Closed beta tester here, IMO all characters are fine save Mei, Roadhog, and maybe Symmetra. Mei's slow needs slightly reduced curve IMO, Roadhog shouldn't be able to 1 shot any offensive character he grabs, and Symmetra is either carrying the team or is no help at all--id say reduce the slow on the turrets as well but increase the amount that it stacks with multiple turrets.
But that's being nitpicky. Meh.
>>337378572
One thing that made me love TF2 as hell was the fact that I could be playing an engineer and still pull off amazing consistent kills with my shotgun. More so than I did with Scout.
Overwatch, unfortunately makes you use pretty much one weapon. I want to love it but I can't after the beta.
>>337388137
again
>>337387945
if your only objective is to get in the air, it is very very simple.
>>337388297
Why are you complaining? She's literally egyptian samus, doesn't get better than this
also see
>>337377990
Pharah either needs more health/armor or, preferably, better horizontal air mobility. Her main advantage should be being able to avoid opponents shots since she isn't designed to tank damage. As it stands, she literally cannot dodge anything while in the air due to virtually no horizontal mobility.
>>337387320
I've got you in my sights
>>337388361
at least some weapons have alt-fire
symmetras alt-fire for example is completely different to her normal fire
>>337388457
If you're by a wall, you can "hop" off a wall. Doesn't deal too much damage and the momentum can carry you for awhile. You can also blow E if you can't afford losing the health
>>337388508
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>>337369079
>being this much of a fanboy
>>337360368
so do people see their entire team being bastions and get ashamed of themselves?
>>337362995
more you son of a bitch come on don't leave my hearboner like that
>>337388647
not enough characters
MOLTENN CORRRRE!!
>>337388631
If you're referring to using the rocket to hop off walls, then my main complaint is that it becomes impossible to be mobile and deal damage at the same time, which is crucial for an offensive character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-jF7PGZs4o
A
FUCKING
AIMBOT
>>337388647
>filename
which reminds me
I want Pharah to grind her ass against my face!
>>337388947
when he activates his ultimate it feels like im watching samus shoot people around
>>337388867
>crucial for an offensive character
No it's not. What about Reaper? He's 'mobile' in that he can get from place to place with relative ease, but during combat he's slow as dick, so he deals big deeps and gets health per kill to compensate. McCree is the next step up with a point-blank range roll, he gets CC and long range to compliment his kit.
>>337389012
good taste familia
>>337388297
>zone of the enders mixed with samus aran
>complaining
>>337386028
Have you ever seen Airblast hitboxes?
They're so fucking large that pyro can airblast behind himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1g2x4b_Byg
Pyro takes no skill.
>>337388947
i dont get why people get so mad at this
>>337389151
Reaper also has a higher HP than Pharah
>>337389434
And much shorter range. Pray tell, how much of this game have you played?
You know all the salt and tears during open beta but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HE WAS ACTUALLY MORE BROKEN DURING CLOSED
>>337383965
Your a fucking retard m8.
>>337378208
They literally just wanted a character with a rocket launcher and built everything around that, they talk about it multiple times in interviews where they referred to Pharah as "Rocket dude" or "Rocket Queen" for a long time before even giving her a name.
>>337389559
He was. The barrier was really cool but every time I played Bastion it was pretty much a guaranteed win, especially if I had a pocket Mercy/tank/anyone
>>337389559
is that an exclamation mark
METAL GEAR BASTION
pharah is already op moron
>>337389971
>OP
Baddie detected
>>337390029
>that one guy who mains windowmaker
>>337390135
Anyone that shoots in a straight line can shoot down a pharah. Sniping one down as Tracer is TOP satisfaction.
>>337390269
if the pharah is good then they'll die first
>>337390305
>if the pharah is good then pharah will die first
??? Who is "they"?
>>337390450
the other person
wow you're dumb
>>337389354
it's not about the hitbox but the timing you mongo and even if the hitbox is this big it will fuck up the angle of the reflect if you don't hit it right.
it's not rocket surgery but neither is sticky spamming or rocket jumping
>>337387320
Get off my lawn, you punks!
Scout = ???
Soldier = Pharah
Pyro = ???
Demoman = Junkrat
Heavy = Zarya
Engineer = Torbjörn
Medic = Mercy
Sniper = Widowmaker
Huntsman = Hanzo
Spy = Reaper
Fill in the blanks, /v/
>>337390684
There is no "angle" in airblast. It literally goes to where your crosshair is facing. Theres no positioning behind it at all.
Its timing pressing m2 when a slow moving projectile is coming towards you.
NO SKILL.
>>337390889
Fuck off.
>>337390889
>Spy = Reaper
they have literally zero common characteristics except sort of flanking gameplay
>>337390889
Mei could be considered the pyro I guess. Surely Tracer would be the scout?
>>337390889
Pyro = Mei
>>337388947
Would it bother you less if it was just a giant lazer that lasted that long? It would be effectively the same, stop complaining.
>>337350626
her knockback is made for the rooftops. if a widowmaker or genji or someone gets on her roof, she knocks them off buying her time
>>337349360
Nothing other than maybe changing some of her health into armour, or a shorter cooldown on her concussion rockets as they are really her bread and butter, but nothing drastic.
She's perfect otherwise.
>>337355546
>Genji is literally harder than anything in that garbage game that is TF2
>that garbage game that is TF2
>>337360408
>>337360621
Overwatch is a console shooter. Verticality is a non-issue.
>>337392458
>I haven't played the game
I'm anticipating the shitton of Tf2 vs Overwatch crossover art that will inevitably surface
>>337393665
>both the doctor and mercy are german
woah...
>>337355259
>cancel crouch into jump
Mate fucking really
>>337393809
Mercy is Swiss.
>>337393665
Oh boy even more TF2 characters forced into my porn, just what I wanted
>>337393994
same thing
>>337394018
I mean who doesn't want to see Soldier shoving a spade up Pharah's ass?
>>337394145
And even more of Scout's dumb ass where he has no business being
76's Ult in theory actually does nothing. A good enough player would have no use for the Ult.
>>337394343
Doesn't it basically get rid of accuracy bloom?
>>337394343
>a good enough player could make his gun reload faster than normal
>>337394343
I didn't know good players could magically get rid of bloom
>>337394343
Well sure if you were to shoot burst headshots only but then you're really really looking at inhuman levels of skill or just real aimbotting.
>>337350540
Learn to direct rocket and git gud nigger.
>>337394634
Any quake players worth their salt using lightning gun makes headshot burst fire on soldier ez mode
>>337355546
>people who can't aim in an FPS
The post
>>337394343
It still hits shot that would have missed due to recoil/spread, plus better reload speed
>>337377739
There's k/d in overwatch
just not shown upfront
you can still find your kills in the stats menu under "final blows".
>>337394897
This desu. It only holds you back fighting tanks that can you land a high ratio of headshots on due to slow and giant heads.
>>337394842
No they can't. Not with sustained burst fire with literally every bullet hitting the head. Nobody is that accurate
>>337394445
>>337394526
>>337394897
I do not think it works that way, however
>>337394513
I did forget the reload. Still, the one that really makes people mad is the autoaim. I do not think anyone complains about faster reloads.
>>337394634
Well yes, but I did say in theory. I also think some people can do it with practice.
>>337395062
Depends at what range you're fighting.
>>337395109
It does. Hold down left click and see how your shots start missing over time with your reticle getting larger
>>337349360
Give her something besides the same boring rockets.
>>337390889
You = Faggot
>>337395605
Yeah they should give her an energy beam or something that she can charge
>>337349360
Make it so you can stand on most rooftops, instead of sliding off of invisible walls.
>>337381283
>tfw i get hooked and am pinned against the wall which they hooked through
such a fucking joke that hitbox.
>>337389758
Luke Skywalker
>>337395451
I wish I could.
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