"The new doom is too slow" they said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi-Vf9hbnD8
>This gameplay is from a PC running Vulkan on a Titan X at 120 FOV - with the player's personal upgrades and rune perks set for advanced speed and movement capabilities.
>Requiring optional upgrades to make the gameplay not shit
seriously excited for this game! Gameplay might even be too fast!
I for one can't wait to pick up a couple copies! Me and my wife's son are looking forward to duking it out in Doom's fast-paced multiplayer mode!
Is there any demonic imagery on this game, or it's going to be all the same metalic spess station environment all the time?
>Stuck in a room with a bunch of enemies that continually teleport in
>>337331647
>the game is good they said
>forced upgrade tree
>forced cutscenes
>you HAVE to do glory kills to have enough HP and ammo, even if you turn them off, and the game ranks you lower if you avoid doing them because you don't want to be stunned for multiple 3 second periods
>not enough enemies
>enemies are glowy immersion-breaking health/ammo pinatas when they die, exploding in glowy shit which overpowers the gore
>shitty modern fps tropes like cheevos/compass, "weapon bash" is identical to the modern CoD's "weapon bash" instead of good old fists which were an icon of Doom
>visual design reminds me strongly of Halo, especially the armour, less so than looking like a sequel to Doom 1 and 2
>colour palette is muddy grayish-brown (though it's definitely a step up from piss yellow), Hell could definitely stand to look a lot more a place where humans suffer, instead of just a muddy cave
>the whole "doomslayer" shtick reminds me of fucking Terrorblade from Dotard, the guy who was too edgy for Hell so they had to put him in Hell prison and then he broke out
>that shitty MP does not bode well
>gauss rifle is some sort of powerup shit rather than an actual gun like the BFG was
>wub wubeth
>no mod support? """Snapmap""" is fucking barebones, with no custom assets allowed
And yes, the game IS slow in MP, which is why they're saying it, moron. Strafing in doom 4 is at the speed of fucking walking in doom 3
>>337332029
I take it you haven't played other Doom games.
>>337331980
I've seen a few hell levels but i'm not sure how many there are
I will admit their depiction of hell looks pretty sweet
>>337332193
A lot of the time they were more set up, sometimes a big meat wall, but they come in in various corners compared to the older Doom games.
>>337332193
It seems you havent too.
>>337332029
This is the thing right here. Doom 1 and 2 let you run out and aggro entire stages of you were retarded. Unsure how you could convert old styled Doom levels into a newer game without running into checkpoint/frame rate issues but they should thing if something. Quickly running around, dodging enemies, and fighting off big groups in complex stages is what made Doom.
That and the cinematic take downs look bad.
>>337331647
Keep shilling this turd of a game.
>>337331647
What is the draw of Doom 4?
It looks like alot of other shooters, but has demons as enemies rather than humans.
>>337332193
maybe you haven't the only level where this would be similar is dead simple which is the base for slaughtermaps and games like painkiller, serious sam etc
>>337331647
>"The new doom is too slow" they said.
>shows me slow gamepay
like what
>First Doom games were FAST
>posts speedruns
>>337332364
Oh god don't act like the original doom was that fucking fast
>>337332354
>>337332193
also you can't just spawn monsters into a level
>the game is totally fast, fellow kids!
>just look at this gameplay from the end of the game when you've spent a ton of upgrade points on movement only!
>see it's just like the original doom but with far less enemies and shitty level design and it only gets fast near the end of the game if you forgo damage upgrades that the game is undoubtedly balanced around!
Fuck off marketer
>All these babies complaining this isn't like the original doom
I mean shit they should just remove the ability to aim up and down, right? you cunts don't know what you want
>>337331647
I never understood why Doom needed 2 shotguns. Why not just have the super shotgun shoot one bullet with rmb?
>>337332547
Yeah because everybody despises Quake right?
>>337332430
Doomguy ran at fucking 90mph. This is a real metric derived from how the maps were made and scaled, before you bitch about it being a made up lie
>>337332673
SSG has much wider spread, it's for group control and meaty enemies versus single weak targets with the standard shotgun.
Looks great! I'm really getting retro vibes from this game. Already preordered!!
>>337331647
I'll just give it a month or two before it's like 15 on kinguin, then I'll think about getting it.
>>337332193
this never happens
vanilla doom lacks the appropriate triggers to lock you in until all the enemies are dead, outside out of one particular level
![smug_sonic_by_mintenndo-d7bt4bv[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Tr2J3IW.png "smug_sonic_by_mintenndo-d7bt4bv[1].png")
>fast is automatically better
Just gonna leave this here
normies really are too stupid to comprehend fast paced shooters anymore
>>337332760
This a million times! LOL! rip and tear bros ;)
>>337332673
The SSG was added in Doom 2 and I don't think Doom 2 originally supported alt-fire. Also, the SSG had a different and wider spread pattern than the regular shotgun.
>>337332695
Yes, only a minority of entitled whinebabies like that buggy piece of shit.
ironically shillposting is still shillposting
you are beyond saving op
what happened to you ?
you're but a shell of a man
>>337332029
COCAINE
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>>337332913
Where is this quote taken from?
>>337332430
>I can't find caps lock
fuck off please gen Z faggot
>>337332547
>I mean shit they should just remove the ability to aim up and down, right?
pic related
being able to aim up and down is good
forced upgrade shit, stunlocking your character into QTEesque animations every ten seconds, and an uninspired, muddy aesthete is not good
>>337332913
>claiming strafe-jumping is something they regret when they literally patched it into the game
>calling it a bunny hop
retarded CS baby detected.
>>337332867
>muh fast
>muh fast
>muh fast
AD
HD
face it, nobody wants to see the whole level fly past in one frame, you only move that fast in doom now because you're running it at 3000 fps on a modern machine, old games were balanced to be run on shitty computers that couldn't keep up
this is closer to the original intent
This game would literally be fine if it were just a little faster and had no animated executions
Couldn't they have just done melee combat the way killing floor 2 did it? traditional but animated well enough that it feels satisfying?
>>337332805
>lacks the appropriate triggers
>then states that has the appropriate triggers
RETARDATION
>Call of Doomty
no thanks
>>337333018
You are literally retarded
>>337332987
He never said that.
More like DEWM
>>337333115
And you're a figuratively retarded shitposter.
Cease your activity
>>337332873
#hugeguts
>You can't use your fists and run around punching everything
shit game
>>337333201
Nice
Is this some autistic troll or actual shills in this thread?
>>337333319
Actual shills. Bethesda is known to market here. Were you not on /v/ when Fallout 4 was being marketed non-stop on here for months before release and for a short time after its release?
>>337333413
No amount of shilling will get Todd a GOTY for 4allout
>>337333413I never really cared about fallout, sorry anon
>>337331647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anrvBD4aTGY
>This gameplay is from a PC running Vulkan on a Titan X at 120 FOV - with the player's personal upgrades and rune perks set for advanced speed and movement capabilities.
>>337333468
Actually, it won The Best Gamers' GOTY award.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVQ9KaPxRI
>>337333492
You didn't have to care about Fallout 4 to see the countless threads made shilling the fuck out of the game, or to see people defending it seemingly en masse any time it was shit on in any other threads. /v/ was crawling with marketers around its release time.
>>337333319
>29 ips 54 posts
not that bad in this thread, its twice as bad in Overwatch threads
>>337333556
Did they ever patch out that retarded color filter? That shit gave me headaches.
>>337333541
>clearly being played at a slow pace for demonstration purposes
have you literally never seen a stage demo before? is this your first promo gameplay video ever?
it's literally nothing holy shit neo-/v/ is retarded
>Upgrade system
Look, this actually pisses me off more than the speed and glory kill shit.
Why are developers always feel obliged to give the players upgrade systems now? Why not just max the player out from the beginning but throw harder enemies at them? This shit always kills the pace of a game for me, especially a single player shooter where all I wanna do is wreck shit.
>>337331647
Looks too linear.
>>337333745
So you're telling me there's a 'walk' feature that he was using the entire time for the sake of demonstration and that the game isn't actually that fucking slow?
Wow, that's good news anon.
>>337333986
Gota have a crafty system like all the cool games.
If it means anything I think someone here said that someone on the id staff said you could do the game without it.
>>337333018
movement speed =/= framerate
I play Doom locked in its original 35fps, and its still fast
>>337331647
Is quicksaving/quickloading even in game? I noticed that there's only an option to restart from checkpoint at the end of the video
>>337334219
If you ever used manual saves in the original Doom you need to kill yourself.
>>337333319
>>337333413
>big title being released in a few hours
>people talking about
FUCKING SHILLS CAN'T FOOL ME XD
can't wait to rev up that kat.ph
>>337334478
>removing features the game had 23 years ago is acceptable
Enjoy your wave-based arena checkpoint bullshit
>>337331647
From what I gather in this video, its mostly linear, with a few arena rooms that require you to kill the wave of enemies in order to proceed. Bleh.
I really wish modern devs would stop aping off Serious Sam and Painkiller, and you know, actually make a game that plays similar to Doom 1 and 2.
>people shit on doom
>people shit on COD:IW
>people praise Battlefield 1
>>337333089
>no reloading
>no regen health
>no perks
How the fuck is this like Call of Duty?
>>337331647
i can deal with doing some shit differently, if they balance the game around all the new shit like ammo popping out of enemies and runes or whatever the fuck i can see just about anything working. but why do these videos always start with all fucking weapons? do you even pick them up anymore or do you just always have them? or is it just this map?
>glory kills
instantly dropped. fuck that fag who made brutal doom, he's the cause of this cancer
>>337336298
I think you just aquire them over the course of the campaign
I assume you get all the base weapons relatively early (aside from the BFG) but it takes awhile to upgrade them to max
You start off with a pistol apparently, but I have yet to see any footage of it
>>337333016
He never said that you fucking mong.
>>337332268
*haven't either
Get your shit together anon
>>337335856
>>no perks
But that's wrong.
>>337331647
All those sounds are incredibly unsatisfying
>>337332913
Nice bullshit false quote. He literally never said that.
Both strafe jumping and rocket jumping weren't planned in the original Quake but the community figured it out. Quake 3 was then designed entirely with both strafe-jumping and rocket jumping in mind. They could have easily patched it out by then but they didn't and had no intention to. Hell they could have patched it out by Quake 2. Quake 2 even had a secret that could only be found via rocket jumping.
Too bad you can't git gud you fucking faggot.
>run through corridor filled with cannon fodder
>enter arena where enemies spawn for 3 minutes like some hord mode shit
>return to corridor till the next arena
Yeah the level design really looks fucked.
Don't like the enemy design either. They just look like indistinguishable hunks of meat.
>i'll watch the vid for a chance..
>stops to open door
>close video
sure its fast shill
>>337336993
quake 1 also had a secret that could only be reached through explosive hopping
and they tried to patch it out with quake 2, they completely removed air control but ended up creating strafe jumping
I'll pirate it and maybe buy it when it's at $10.
>>337337326
>quake 1 also had a secret that could only be reached through explosive hopping
oh yeah that small grenade jump into the portal
>>337332175
You must be a really depressing person to be around.
>>337331647
don't you have more important things to do todd
>>337337392
It's Bethesda we're talking about. Look at the prices of old Doom and Quake games. It's unlikely to happen in the next few decades
>>337337665
Well, then when I buy it in 3 years i'll be even more eager to play it after so long.
>>337337408
i completely forgot about that but that too. can you reach dopefish without explosive jumping or something?
>>337332867
>>337335573
So far people have been pretty worried about BF1 actually, given that the promotional statue seemed to be a mish-mash of sides (the only explanation for the black soldier that makes sense to me so far is that it's a French soldier who picked up weapons that weren't his). As for gameplay we have no idea yet, but Battlefield games are usually alright compared to other series.
>>337337737
nevermind
![1463049747598[2].gif](https://i.imgur.com/LX8O79o.gif "1463049747598[2].gif")
>>337331647
>Bethesda delayed the review embargo so that no reviews can be published until after release
A red flag if I ever saw one.
>>337338435
>suddenly /v/ needs reviews to form an opinion
>This gameplay is from a PC running Vulkan on a Titan X at 120 FOV - with the player's personal upgrades and rune perks set for advanced speed and movement capabilities.
GET FUCKED OP YOU DUMB SHILL
>>337338523
I don't need reviews, but them not being permitted is a good enough clue as to whats going on.
>>337338435
You mean, just like Fallout 4, Evil Within, Wolfenstein & Dishonored? All had an embargo on their reviews that didn't expire until the day of release.
>>337338592
>upgrades and rune perks
pass that by me again
>>337338640
The review system is rotten to the core so I don't really care
wouldn't even read those shitty glorified bloggers if they wrote their paid reviews today
>>337332175
So many many things incorrect in your post
>>337337737
>can you reach dopefish without explosive jumping or something?
yah of course
this game and overwatch and Im set
>>337338748
It's not about the reviews themselves at all, it's the publisher being fishy, which is not a good sign
The game looks and plays like shit because the weapons feel like pea shooters. The enemies don't react to getting shot how they should, there's absolutely no 'oomph' with the guns and getting shot with the shotgun is is the same as the rifle is the same as all the other guns. It actually feels worse than a shitty early access drag and drop unity game.
>>337338892
Jesus Christ this board is literally full of 15 year olds.
>>337332965
She got off the hook for that one, dunno about her career though
Why does DOOM look better than Wolfenstein when DOOM is 60FPS on console and Wolfenstein 30? How the fuck did they do that?
>>337338703
>Fallout 4
Like he said, a red flag.
>>337338892
a perfect summary of everything currently wrong with /v/
>>337338756
>ur wrong,,,, buy our game though!!!!
hello todd
>>337339196
Overwatch actually has good game feel though. The weapons feel fun to use, and you have plenty of movement options.
>>337331647
So the new doom is just a series of arenas interconnected with hallways?
>>337338996
>>337339196
hows it feel being bitter and hating anything and everything?
>>337339189
Or just the way the company does things.
But yeh, fallout 4 was pretty weak.
>>337339296
Rage had review copies
![[satisfied sigh].png](https://i.imgur.com/rjLvBJE.png "[satisfied sigh].png")
>>337339286
I have to admit I had fun playing the open beta, but it costs too much when I already got TF2 and Dirty Bomb.
>>337339293
How does it feel to be an underage faggot?
>>337332175
>wub wubeth
It bothers me so much that people think Industrial Music/Industrial Metal is dubstep.
>>337339286
Except it's worse than f2p shooters and is made by blizzard and costs 40 dollars. Kek
>>337339442
It did. It lifted on the day of release, October 4, 2011.
>>337331647
>it's another "realistic ambient lighting makes it impossible to see the enemies" episode
Fucking hell.
I know Doom will never take place outside in a well-lit town square, and that's okay, but couldn't you have at least given the enemies an emissive sub-skin glow or something? I mean they're demons, that's not a stretch, and at least they'd be fucking visible.
>>337339617
They're flat out not giving out review copies of this game until release, contrary to Rage, Fallout 4, Dishonored, etc. which just had review embargoes.
>preload is up on torrent sites already
>will be unlocked as soon as the official game does
>no denuvo
It can be the shittiest game on earth for all I care
>>337339915
Source?
It looks good and enjoyable but I will wait for at least a week after release before thinking of actually getting it.
>>337339513
>our wub-wbu is better than their wub-wub
>>337332175
>forced upgrade tree
Stopped reading right there
You're retarded
>>337340082
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/09/the-doom-review-gameplan
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/05/09/doom-review-copies-wont-available-launch-day/
>>337331647
Reminder
>>337340052
>go have a look for a preload
>43gb
For one sweet moment I forgot modern games were like this
>>337340169
ah well, preorder cancelled.
>>337331647
this is what happens when you want to shove a fast fps into consoles
yes, that video is fast as fuck, and clearly played using mouse and keyboard
then you want to sell that game to consoles, so you need to make the character floaty, and put on stupid death fatalities
doom 4 should be a PC title
the different designs problems are there because they want the console dudebro audience
>>337340283
Reminder.
>>337340283
>faceless
>Literally has his face on screen at all times
Checkmate athiests
>>337340283
>Faceless marine
>>337331647
I got it for the statue, the game is just a bonus
>>337331647
I watched that video with headphones on.
The main thing that stuck out to me is how flat the weapons feel.
The sounds effects and animations have no 'oomph' to them.
>>337340287
thats probably archived too, its 56 gigabytes for me
>>337340283
>no cutscenes to distract you
>no weapon reloading
>with fast action
it's like you didnt even try
>leaks happen
>ITS TOO SLOW
>people post the PC gameplay
>UPGRADES DON'T COUNT
Many games don't reach full ability until you upgrade the character. Even /v/'s beloved Dark Souls sucks major ass until you upgrade either the character or the weapon so why are upgrades suddenly bad?
>>337331647
if you have a console why would you buy this one instead of halo or killzone ?
i see no difference
>>337340604
There are no cut scenes
There is no weapon reloading
The game has fast action
>>337340659
Wow, what an original comment. Well done.
>>337340697
you dont know either ?
torrent when
>>337340552
Yeah, looks like I'm waiting for some Mega links instead. Ah well, I'm not too excited.
>>337332695
They would if it too got a reboot.
>>337331647
>No hordes of enemies
>All weapons except the gauss gun sound like dogshit and don't seem powerful
>Levels boil down to mostly empty hallways leading to arena areas where you're locked in until you defeat all the enemies, much like painkiller or shadow warrior 2013
>Press X for EPIC fatality when the enemy is glowing and blinking for health/ammo
>Chainsaw is an EPIC instant kill fatality weapon that makes enemies drop a stupid amount of ammo
>Revenants are pathetic mooks instead of being absolutely terrifying
>That soundtrack
>>337340283
Is that shit still on the Cracked™ website or has it been taken down? Lot of inaccuracies that aren't excused by hyperbole.
Gun models are fucking huge
At least Epic were smart enough not to make them huge in the new Unreal Tournament
>>337340826
bad games tends to use denuvo
>>337339130
they hired a senior graphics engineer from Crytek when that company shat the bed.
>>337340967
>Levels boil downs to mostly empty hallways, leaving to arena areas where you're locked in
That's not true
Only 3 more hours to unlock according to my timezone.
>>337340287
On the bright side, it got me to start cleaning up old shit that I don't need anymore. So many games, so little time, and running out of disk space.
>>337331647
How long until this game plops, I mean drops, we talking hours or days still?
>peasants not defending sub 30 fps on console
>controller is better than kb+m for doom
>>337331647
New Doom trades raw horizontal speed for a combination of vertical and horizontal speed. Haven't played it yet, but if they can keep the multilayer thing going that should be fine.
>>337331647
You need to use upgrades to have the default doom speed now, so yes it's too slow.
It's fast but in a bad way.
Lacks all the fluidity of Quake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u151tIMuhZU
Can you turn of executions? If not I don't see the gameplay being fast if you need to stop all the time to kill your enemy extra gory.
>>337336993
http://www.gamers.org/pub/archives/plans/[email protected]/1999-04-24_1999-06-05
>>337341582
its not a quake game
>>337341582
Well yeah, they're probably considering a controller and the fact that they'd have to do some heavy graphical adjustments so the player could tell what's going on easier.
>>337331647
It's faster than THAT trailer but the enviroment is so fucking tight.
At least it's serious sam level of speed now, I am sold if they enable an option to remove those terrible 3 second QTE kills.
Wtf is valkuan API
I know about the scim scam nvidia overprices heat bricks only good goys buy but never heard of valkuan API. Is it like Opengl or something?
I just want to RIP AND TEAR l.a.d.s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBuxUmT9fx4
>>337341674
to its detriment
>>337341750
it's like Opengl 2.0
>>337341839
quakefags are a detriment to FPS communities
just play quake 3 forever and fuck off to >>>/vr/
>>337341934
opengl 2.0 is like opengl 2.0
vulkan is a low level api that will let developers have much more control of how the code runs and reduce driver overhead and improve multithreading
>>337341839
every game that tries to be quake fails. there is no economic reason to create another clone of a game with a fanbase too stubborn to sell to, its detrimental to try and appease quake players. and maybe not even sell, warsow is FOSS and you know how many players play that? get a clue, its always been a business
>>337339513
needs moar metal, doom's soundtracks were basically rip-offs of great metal songs
i know reznor had something to do with the music for this but it's still not up to scratch
>>337342001
Could it possibly strain off brand gpus like amd for capitalistic gain? nvidea gameworks already does that.
>>337341582
Except that's a good thing.
The kind of movement system in Quake III is a crutch that supplants good positioning and common FPS sense at lower skill levels. The speed alone provides a shield for the player, all because he learned how to wiggle in just the right way while jumping around. Of course, at the highest levels of play all skills become equally important, but at lower levels such speed only works to overwhelm the other basic parts of an FPS to the detriment of the game's overall depth.
>>337342197
vulkan is amd's api and it is open source so likely not
>>337342197
Vulkan is based on amd's mantle. Just google it. Or bing it, whatever you kids do now.
>>337342258
Nigger what
>>337342197
if the developer chooses to optimize for nvidia but not amd, sure, but nothing intrinsic about the API which lets them do pretty much whatever they want
>>337342279
>>337342307
got confused when I found it under here
https://developer.nvidia.com/Vulkan
>>337340283
Reminder pt 2
>>337342258
Just when you think /v/ couldn't possibly get anymore retarded, this guy shows up.
>>337342404
>Vulkan is derived from and built upon components of AMD's Mantle API, which was donated by AMD to Khronos with the intent of giving Khronos a foundation on which to begin developing a low-level API that they could standardize across the industry, much like OpenGL
>>337342408
But that's fucking wrong
>>337342408
See
>>337340681
You're wrong
>>337338748
you are an absolute mongoloid.
usually if there is a review embargo then it shows that the publisher has no confidence in their game.
>>337342408
>>337342550
Technically you need to reload the super shotgun in all games
>>337339130
Wolfenstein is 60 FPS on consoles.
>Why does it look better
Because megatextures were meme techonology.
>>337331752
Personal upgrades and rune perks in doom?! You have got to be kidding me...
>>337342656
doom still uses megatextures
>>337342656
wow it actually was 60fps
it looked pretty stable in the video i've seen too
fucking lazy devs i swear to god
>>337342347
>>337342441
Too dumb to understand a simple argument?
Glitch / strafejumping for the sake of "muh speed" has been a cancer upon the old FPS genre. It provides a mindless yet extremely effective means of protecting oneself in the game. It is a defense that is always present and always available so as long as the player can autistically integrate the same motions over and over into the usual play of the game. It adds nothing intellectual to the gameplay.
Compare to game where such speed is allowed but much more controlled and restricted, lets take Advanced Warfare for example. The jetpack does recharge pretty fast and allows the player to move almost to the same speeds, but only in short bursts. This means that the player has to THINK about when is the right time to actually make use of that speed, not to simply have that advantage 24/7 without ever having to pay any further attention to it.
That makes for a plain dumb game that caters more to people who have really bad positioning and possibly also aiming skills, where they may happily feed on the bottom where all the commoners live.
>>337342874
>Too dumb to understand a simple argument?
No, I understood it. You're just stupid as fuck. Didn't bother reading the rest of what you wrote ;^)
>>337331752
>Requiring optional upgrades to make the gameplay not shit
keyword is optional. what exactly is wrong with allowing players to use different playstyles? "personal ugrades" or whatever the fuck are simple 1 and 0 values just like this shit is, its literally no different at all
>>337342874
b-but cheating is a SKILL
it lowers MUH SKILL GAP
MUH CEEEIILLLIIIIINNNGG
>>337340658
Dark Souls weapon upgrades don't make you run quicker
>>337342874
>. It adds nothing intellectual to the gameplay.
you're right hitscan weapons are way more intellectual
>>337341249
what
>>337342408
>you first played in the 90s
>cucks are so sad they need games to keep them in the past to be "happy"
>>337342838
>wow it actually was 60fps
just like the last time Nvidiots believed edited footage from Arkham Knight where they played it at 2x speed
>>337342874
>that makes for a plain dumb game that caters more to people who have really bad positioning and possibly also aiming skills
lol, the importance of positioning in Quake cannot be understated
just kys
>>337343026
>personal sandwiches or whatever the fuck are simple bread ingredients, its literally no different to subway sandwiches
>>337342408
Not on Mars, Originals were on Phobos, Diemos, Hell, Earth.
>>337331647
the FOV makes it look faster and the player character is fully upgraded to have full speed.
the game looks fun and im kind of excited but they really did not have to include progression. that shit has no place in a Doom game.
>>337343206
call of duty is a game of positioning and cleverness
quake is a game of memory, memorize cheat codes and a few items on the map, great skill mate
>>337343214
i am actually confused, are you agreeing with me?
>>337343290
Progression has a place in modern gaming though, because people like to have a sense of PROGRESSION in their games. They need bars to get filled and numbers to get higher in order to feel satisfaction from those games.I'm not a fan of it.
>>337343272
>phobos
>deimos
>significant gravity
>>337343376
what game is that?
>>337343341
>quake is a game of memory, memorize cheat codes
>memorize cheat codes
>memorize
>cheat
>codes
>>337343376
Ah I thought adding that analogy would make it confusing. No you're confused, the baby in the picture is reaching, like your argument. Please don't think of yourself as the baby though, that's the first stockphoto I could find.
>>337343449
yeah, a specific button combination that gives you advantages you're not supposed to have, a cheat code
55 FUCKING MINUTES BROS
>>337339520
but F2P is literally cancer, I dont want to pay for maps or new heroes.
I rather pay once 40 euro and be done with it and all the cosmetics can be obtained with just playing the game.
F2P is always garbage.
>>337343401
>Hell and demons real
Still doesn't mean you play on Mars in the originals.
>>337343537
Yeh, that happened ALL THE FUCKING TIME in quake 3. Fucking people using cheat codes every game.
Holy fucking shit, just stop posting now you chucklefuck.
>>337331647
Are you dense? You'd have to be blind to consider that anywhere near the same speed as Doom/2.
>>337343689
>fantastical element means real elements don't have to make sense
>what is suspension of disbelief
>>337343397
The best kind of progression is when the player notices they're getting a better feel for the controls, enemy behaviour and mechanics
I get players like to fee like they're progressing but if its spoon fed through upgrading systems it's just not as genuine or personal, ya know
I blame the modern shooter audience as much as the developers
Do we have any level maps from D44M yet?
>>337331647
>Design CoD
>Speed it up
>"We are so old school right guys?"
Also the AI is braindead
>>337342791
I find that hard to believe. D44M graphics actually look like a modern game when you look at shit close up, in comparison RAGE and Wolfenstein are blurry messes that honestly have lower detail than Doom 3 despite being 10 years newer. Its not like PS4 suddenly got a VRAM upgrade to make it so they can increase the texture detail.
>>337343852
not him but the moons were terraformed. its reasonable to think they had gravity altering technology too.
>>337340658
>why are upgrades suddenly bad?
in doom 1 and 2 you can go fast from the beginning, which leads to a more enjoyable and skillful experience, giving the player the ability to take on nearly any enemy in the game (except archviles who work on LoS) if their dodging ability is sufficient with only the starting weapons. That's good game design. Not everything has to be in the form of an unlockable to goad the player into continuing.
>>337343137
That's improved in D44M though. I think that the projectiles a little bit slow so the player can dodge them a too easily, but overall it is better than the random chance of getting hit with the old Doom enemies.
Doom 1 & 2 suffers from precisely the same speed problem except it is a simple button toggle to go fast. Why did the speedrun community take such strong form around Doom? Because the player could outrun most projectiles, that's what. The speedruns were partially reliant on the fact enemies were so slow and the player was so fast, a large portion of the gaming community started playing Doom to avoid enemies entirely, the exact opposite of what you'd expect an FPS to be about!
Once KB+M started becoming a thing, vanilla Doom 1 & 2 turned out to be painfully easy games. Early gamers were retards who ran out in the open and relied entirely on speed and unpredictability to survive, which Doom caters to. If you go back and play D1 and 2 like more modern military shooters (unless the game forces you into a melee), the game will be a complete breeze. Only mods and extreme overkill custom levels have presented any sort of challenge for a modern gamer in Doom.
A more manageable pacing for Doom 4 makes more sense and will be beneficial to the difficulty. A slower player and more maneuverable enemies will always make a game harder (see: FEAR no-slow-mo runs). That's not to say that it looks all that challenging anyway and that the multiplayer isn't completely fucked up for different reasons than player speed, but every little bit helps.
>>337342978
>>337343039
Not an argument
>>337343537
You mean every player could input a specific set of buttons to use an ability?
That almost sounds like... wait for it...A mechanic!
>>337332547
I will agree that the forced gkory kills are retarded but the game looks no different from Doom classic at all. Typical /v/ negative shit. Its probably just because Bethesda is involved
>>337343916
Rage had a much nicer art style than D44m though, this game just looks like a pukey metallic mess
When rage wasn't loading in textures it looked really nice, a shame the mega textures were as fugly as they were because the character designs and color palette were really awesome.
>>337342408
>there are cutscenes
Wronged so many times holy shit
>the gameplay isn't fast
It's on the same pace as the originals by default, and you can up it even further through upgrades and power ups
>not cutting-edge graphics for the day
I can't think of a game that looks better. The only thing that bothers me even a little bit is the Baron design being Blizzardified.
>>337343895
Yeah, because the AI of Doom was top notch. Every enemy was literally programmed to shoot on sight and move towards the player.
>>337331647
The meme here is that Doom was NEVER fast.
Do people think it's the same as Quake or some shit lmao.
>>337342150
>every game that tries to be quake fails
tf2, a quakeworld mod turned standalone game, is literally the third most played game on steam right now and it's nine years old
most of the games you are thinking of that have tried to imitate quake's amazing gameplay have been with completely barebones advertising, that's why they failed
tf2 is different in that it has great advertising campaigns, and so is successful to this day
it's not like people don't want to play quake gameplay in the form of toxik/warsow/UT; it's because they don't even fucking know it exists
>>337344020
That's seriously all that's wrong with the game for me, typical of /v/ to think that if a game isn't perfect its absolute dogshit
>>337343895
>Design CoD
Are you retarded?
>>337343895
It's actually PC's first Halo since Halo:CE. And it's good.
Famalam, I plan on buying this game and even i think it looks like a bunch of hallways.
>>337342628
it's a firing interval, not a reload time. like, there's no """clip""" in doom 1/2
>>337344101
Yeah because with these new technologies we should only improve graphics
What the fuck is the obsession with ultra fast gameplay, anyway?
A brisk pace is of course preferable to a crawl, but you'd be exaggerating a lot if you called the new Doom gameplay a crawl. If you want more speed, go play Wipeout or something.
>>337333556
>People are this retarded enough to think legitimate shills would come here to promote there fucking game
>/v/ of all places
I've been called a shill just for making a thread on black ops 3 fuck off with your conspiracy theories shilling isn't real here. Only for shit like Nostalrius
40 minutes till GOTY
>>337344336
I can picture it now.
>"Demons that do something else than mindlessly shoot at me?!?"
>"They ruined the franchise!"
>>337339292
i mean do you actually remember the old doom levels later on besides knee deep in the dead?
they all play something of that ilk, large open zones with enemies that have connected hallways
>>337344356
well if you're doing it for free its arguably worse
>>337344212
But Halo is Doom.
>>337344073
>When rage wasn't loading in textures it looked really nice
Only from far away. If you get close to anything it looks like ass, even on PC.
>>337343341
I know you're trolling but Rapha's success is testament to the contrary
>>337343448
heavy gear 2
>>337332364
Sonic's mah name, speed is mah game
>>337344521
Nah, Halo has jumping!
>>337344523
That's the problem with the engine. That texture hasn't properly rendered on the right.
![RAGE-Screenshot-6[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qA0rVr6.jpg "RAGE-Screenshot-6[1].jpg")
>>337344523
>having texture autism
meanwhile, what the game actually looks like
>>337344523
console hardware limitations
>>337344615
Thats how literally everything in the game looks close up. It's not a bug, that's just how it is
>>337344195
team fortress does not try to be quake and it didn't as a mod either. you can play every sunday night team fortress in quakeworld in case youve forgotten what the fuck it plays like because its nothing like quake just like tf2 is hardly like quakeworld team fortress
>>337331647
Why does the game speed up and slow down in this video
>>337344807
He picks up the haste pickup at one point, which makes him faster and then when it ends it slows down again.
>>337344572
Based, ty
