>Americans believe WW1 was fought with muskets
>Dev has to correct their expectations
>>337307870
>Dice
>American
¿Que?
>>337308643
>Reading comprehension
>>337307870
The lead dev drew a conclusion that it's a "common misconception", while admitting that it was only his own team that was actually that retarded.
In America, at the very least, WW1 is famous as fuck for mustard gas and tanks. All this really says is DICE is full of both uneducated and socially detatched retards.
This is actually the first time I've heard anyone who thought they used muskets in WW1. Did they just not teach them the part where a shitload of men got mowed down by machine guns or something in history class?
>>337307870
WWI was a battle of attrition though. Most of the action was shotting from your trenches to the opposite threnches all day every day and mortar barrages.
Only the most disputed strategical points saw bombardments and tank action and still those were meant to hold a vauable position rather than gain enemy territory.
>>337311047
Amurricans don't know anything about universal history, sometimes not even their own story.
>>337307870
just the fuck, I haven't met anyone that thought muskets were in the civil war.
>>337309652
You're kidding right?
I've seen plenty of people thinking that this is a fucking alternate history or some shit.
>>337309652
Well they are Swedish, Sweden is basically a meme country now.
>>337312713
Pretty sure people have been saying that for reasons other than the lack of muskets.
>>337311421
>Americans
>Swedish dev
Apply yourself
>>337315146
learn to read.
>>337312713
People have been saying that more for people running around with machine guns and wearing gothic plate, the common idea is that everybody had bolt action rifles and machine guns were heavy crew weapons while armor was nonexistant
Wasted potential. The game. So sad it's just crap.
>>337312713
They think that because of the "but it has a super secret twist that changes everything ;)" shit DICE has been saying.
Europeans don't actually believe that the
>american education
meme is anything more than banter, right?
>>337315581
I'm so very butthurt right now
>>337315261
You first
>>337309652
>>337309652
Many European countries have this problem.
They then try to downplay the importance of America's entry and that Australians were nothing more than fodder.
>>337315821
I'm sorry. Do you want to talk about it?
>>337315827
Eat shit, burger.
>>337316097
German command made special note of where colonial troops( ex Canada, Australia) were since after the war had been going on for a few years they were healthier and better equipped.
>>337307870
>Europeans believe WWI was fought by niggers
>>337307870
no one thinks that
what the fuck
>>337307870
And Swedes believe there were mudslime women warriors
>>337316287
>So angry over the glorious burger
where did hamburger touch you friend?
>>337311047
>mowed down by machine guns
No mans land, right. I was confused about automatic weapons, I thoight maybe he meant assault rifles
>>337316859
I watched a video in which a dude really just said something to the effect of "This might not be rooted in history since they mostly just used muskets and bolt guns and gamers are used to rapid fire and modifications" or something like that.
Another guy who actually saw a playable build had to correct him with what DICE has stated.
Really though, I'd think there are quite a bit of people don't entirely know what weapons were used in WWI becuase there are hardly any media about it. People just assume it's the next step back from WWII and went too far back since they don't know anything about weapons or WWI in general
>>337311280
Most of the deaths were from artillery.
>>337309652
>Swedens
>knowing anything about war
>>337318063
I swear to god, if they talk in the game like they do today in modern times I will kill a black baby and put it on liveleak.
It's too bad the dev didn't realise that no negros fought in WW1.
>>337316097
While the USA was the reason the allies won both wars, their contribution is overestimated in the minds of Americans.
>sweeden
>haha people are so dumb they dont know anything about ww1
>random nigger dressing like its 2015
>random muzzie on horseback
Seriously dice
>>337318468
It is too bad that you are wrong and that every time you say that you make yourself look retarded.
>>337318468
There were some, people pulled in from the colonies and descendants of slaves in the home countries, but they were very rare
>>337318468
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/369th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
>>337318063
Wow, one whole squadron in a war that killed millions! Such a huge contribution, truly this was a war of the black man
I can't think of single person I know who thinks muskets were used in WWIexcept possibly multiple women, but that's par for the course unfortunately.
Can't wait to play this game, gonna rain artillery down on campibg snipers from a battleship. Jump it a triplane and do some dog fighting, then i'm gonna jump on a horse, ride in to battle and shoot noobs in the face with my riffle.
This game is going to be awesome.
>>337318612
>USA was the reason the allies won both wars
Nigga, US intervention only shortened WW1, entente already won on the long run.
>>337318107
Who is that moron?
Even if trench warfare is all he knows about WW1, he should also know about rushing and mowed down by machine gun
>>337318850
>backtracking instead of admitting you were wrong
>>337308712
Speak for yourself, Americans are not featured nor mentioned in the article.
Burgers love war, as a matter of fact the world's biggest WW1 museum is in the USA.
I swear to god if I see AAA on a ship I'm going to slap a swedecuck in the feminine penis
>>337318992
You're not going to rain down shit.
Artillery will be a commander ability.
All the planes will be taken within the first second of round start.
There will be no horses in MP.
It will be just like any other BF game, except grayer.
>>337315730
American education is dire.
>>337318468
They did, but it was segregated. Blacks and whites never fought alongside each other even if they did fight on the same side. I wonder if the devs are going to include this or just pretend segregation never happened.
>>337319157
>There will be no horses in MP
please don't let this be true. it would invigorate battlefield multiplayer, the game NEEDS cavalry.
>>337319157
Why are you talking about things you know nothing about as if you do?
They have already said you will be able to use multiple naval vehicles and they have also said you will be able to ride horses.
>>337319082
WWI was fought 99% by whites, I wasn't really wrong. Europeans would disagree, they emphasize the importance of modern minority ethnicities in all historical events
>>337319085
I think that may have more to do with Euros not wanting to be reminded of the conflict outside of remembrances
>>337319371
don't pretend those people exist in only europe. they exist in all western nations.
>>337319205
>Blacks and whites never fought alongsid
This in't true at all, jesus christ why do you people make this shit up?
>>337316287
>makes such an asspained response after getting BTFO so hard
>>337315730
It's pretty fucking bad.
Even very good public schools teach bullshit lies and education standards are bizarrely low.
>Can you recite 100 vocabulary words from memory? You pass foreign language class
>Can you string together five paragraphs with an introduction, body, and conclusion? You pass english class
>x^3=cos(0)/sqrt(16). Can you solve for X? You pass math class
>Can you do all of the above? Here's your diploma
>>337319085
Before WW2 people in the US were largely against foreign wars
>>337318612
It was a war of attrition, once the allies got support from the us, germany had to try an all out attack in an all or nothing kinda deal but failed, without the us, either germany would have run out of soldiers or the brits run out of food
>>337319590
>tfw not even american and can't do that math problem
>spawn as a rifleman
>run to the objective
>die of typhus and spanish flu
>>337319590
it's because they have no money. that's literally entirely to blame. all of America's money goes to paying for their boatloads of old people, "foreign aid" of which billions go to israel (this is not /pol/ stormfront bullshit it is fact) and the F-35, Zumwalt class, and other weapons systems that they don't need, while their schools suffer.
>>337315689
If anything it'll be some shitty ass sort of futuristic superweapon a la Wolfenstein
>>337319808
calling it right now, airships are the super weapons and they're super hard to destroy
FUCKING WOOLIE
>>337319401
>more to do with Euros being sensitive faggots
What else is new.
>>337319743
cosine of 0 is 1 and the square root of 16 is ???
>>337319371
>black main character means they think most soldiers were black
>>337318063
History fag here
When General Pershing arrived in france, he went to one of the french commanders and said "we were forced to bring a bunch of niggers with us. we dont want them so you can have them. and we dont need them back."
I just hope you can do jihad horses like jihad jeeps in BF3/4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjL_Yrfcz2s
>>337319760
Are you unironically talking about f-35's? Those are a military necessity, them actually working is irrelevant
>>337319590
>go to a shit school district
>OMG US EDUCATION IS HORRIBLE
>>337319851
That's a bit unfair, after the war almost all the males of a generation were dead. It was a much rawer wound.
>>337320235
>after the war almost all the males of a generation were dead.
complete bullshit
unless you only meant serbia lel
There was certainly what could be named an African Theatre present in WW1. Germany was a present colonial power on the continent, with plenty of resources to protect.
It was an interesting conflict, with plenty of sometimes/often majority-black participation in British, French, Belgian, and German forces. Really neat fighting effort the krauts put up being so vastly surrounded in southwest and western Africa.
I would adore a game about the African theatre of WW1. This bullshit is, of course, pandering in an attempt at grabbing shekels. It isn't to illuminate some oft-forgotten piece of history or anything as they might allude to. It's for the sales.
Can't really blame them, I guess. Still not gonna think about buying it.
>>337319590
That's a problem shared by all developed nations. You can teach breadth or depth, but breadth will better equip students for the modern world.
Saying that, things have progressed to where graduating primary education alone is a weak showing in America; you need several AP honours, a GPA above 4.5, teacher recommendations, and leadership roles to be considered a good student. Hell, some American colleges are letting primary school students take classes so they have a head start on their bachelors.
If the American education system sucks at one thing, it's bureaucracy. Needless redundancy and 'busy' positions, tenure lock-in, bizarre private sector contracts, etc. A byproduct of needing to administrate the third most populous country in the world, but the kind of shit that should be addressed by breaking things up by state.
>>337320308
I would kill to be able to play as a soldier in Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck's guerilla army in East Africa.
The US isn't the reason for victory in either war because of MAH USA, it's because of the massive amount of supplies we brought with us.
US supplies were a godsend to the Russians for example. In both wars Russia suffered so much loss and suffered so much starvation, particularity due to its major agricultural regions being under enemy occupation in the second world war, the involvement of US industry was mana from heaven.
And then there was the land-lease.
No one ever gives a shit about the Canadian involvement in both wars which was also super important. Or the fact that not just young Britons were in the skis of the Battle of Britain. Volunteers from everywhere were flying up there to help out regardless of their countries being officially part of the war at that time or not. It's why London's St. Paul's Cathedral has dedicated memorials to badasses like Billy Fiske who was a New Yorker that flew up there along with others in special "Eagle Squadrons".
>>337317013
Woolie did.
>>337319031
No, it didn't.
See:
>>337319679
The brits would've run out of food. It's funny, because the Germans offered a peace treaty, but a handful of jews went to England and suggested England not accept that treaty and that they were going to make the USA join the war, their price was Israel.
Get redpilled, son.
And in the second world war, it's obvious that Germans would've won. The Japs could've just started attacking the Soviets from the East and it would've been over, instead, the USA joined the war and at that moment the war was lost for the Axis, cause even if the Germans managed to overcome the USSR, the Americans would still have developed the atomic bomb.
>>337320340
Pretty sure school districts aren't even obligated to offer advanced placement classes, that's just something that districts with more resources can do to draw in more white collar parents.
>>337314556
>Sweden is basically a meme country now
This statement should be more prevalent, I have never seen a better description of Sweden then this sentence.
>>337320308
>East African campaign
>shoot the beehives to attack the enemy
>>337320435
Absolute madman, dude. Basically just running around barely-remotely-civilized Africa with literally no supply lines at all, equipped and supplied COMPLETELY on plunder from the enemy. For four fucking years.
No chance of it, though. Real shame.
>>337320562
The British introduced rationing in 1918. The Germans had food riots by 1915. Britain wasn't the one running out of food.
>>337320340
>you need several AP honours, a GPA above 4.5, teacher recommendations, and leadership roles to be considered a good student.
I attended an acceptance ceremony for a medical school recently, for a family member. EVERY fucking student that was accepted had some list of accolades that was a combination of the following
>GPA of upwards of 4.0
>member of some exclusive sorority/fraternity
>chair member or leader of some student organization
>volunteer laborer at some big deal charity organization
All I could think was, holy shit, these people have no souls. That was BEFORE med school. Imagine if your whole fucking life was pursuing a career.
>>337320563
You're right, they aren't. Which is why kids from New York Nosebleed are so outclassed by Seattle Burclavians. Feds only have the time and money to get bare minimum in classes around the country (not helped by POTUS policy flip-flop), so it's up to parents to push things beyond that shitty image Europe has of the US.
>>337307870
Most weapons were bolt action rifles though. I hope they dont go too far and give everyone ak 47 secret russian prototypes
>>337320538
Makes sense. Canadians on one of the least historically savvy people on the planet. All they know about is France and the US and both are just cursory, I've met some Canadians that were so oblivious of other cultures I legit thought they were US locals.
Give me some good WW1 documentaries.
>>337320562
>germans could have won WWII
>it's obvious
Topest kek
>>337321112
what is youtube
>>337321158
Which ones should I watch though.
American here. Never in my fucking life have I ever met or seen or heard anyone claim that muskets were used in WWI.
>>337321182
Does it matter? They are all about the same subject, just pick a few to watch.
>>337307870
the following would be historically accurate
>WW1 for soldiers
>wait in trench to do a suicide rush with your comrades towards mounted machine guns and you all die
WW1 for pilots
the only ways you can attack anything on the ground is by firing your guns while angling the plane towards the ground in what is known as strafing (strafing isnt going to the side and firing forward apparently who knew)
or throwing a brick from the plane
>>337321112
>Give me some good WW1 documentaries.
the best is the great war
All 26 parts are on youtube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdEBPyoq11-7H07u7iwGM_3l-_QfxFj9B
Its easily the best and covers virtually every aspect and theater in good detail
>>337315730
It's depressing. I'm not sure what the case is in Europe, but over here, 99% of elementary teachers are retarded sluts with no marketable skills and no talent, so they went to college because they "love kids" and want to teach.
I've fucked about 4-6 stupid sluts on campus at parties, black out drunk, who have told me they were education majors. They're too fucking stupid to learn anything more complicated than algebra or "hurr 1776 we became independent and in 1861 there was a big war" so they just fuck and suck their way through 4 years to get a piece of paper that says they're qualified to teach 8 year olds that 2+2=4.
If you see a female teacher who teaches any grade lower than 9th in the USA, and she's under 35, there is a 99.999% chance she is a stupid whore who is dumber than a box of rocks and has no problem filling your child's head with nonsense and wasting 20% of class time talking about her day and complaining about how her new boyfriend dumped her so all her students can bloat her ego by telling her she's pretty and the bestest person in the whole wide world and make her feel better about the fact that she doesn't have any children of her own because she wasted the best years of her life being a worthless cumdumpster passed around from guy to guy instead of staying faithful to the one guy who actually gave a shit about her I hope you're happy Sarah you filthy fucking whore
>>337321251
Completely wrong on both points you fucking retard
>>337321018
>Most weapons were bolt action rifles though
You make that sound like you fired them with the speed of molasses. Stripper clip rifles aren't slow and combat loading a stripper clip takes literal seconds.
>>337321248
It does matter.
>>337320581
Yeah well I got it from another /v/irgin on a BF1 thread so he's the credit for it, unless he got it from another anon before him, in which case we are in the throes of a new meta meme.
>>337321260
>All 26 parts
>26
NEAT
>>337321276
Are you ok anon?
>>337321112
If you want an old one, with actual accounts from some of the men who survived, go watch Lions Led by Donkeys.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZdlLBiA-A
>>337321415
Its worth watching all of them too
great music and narration too
>>337321150
Germans could've won the war many times due to some small problems, it's not even funny. But if we're considering no American intervention, it's pretty obvious Germans would've won. The war in the west was a child's play compared to the Eastern front, a fraction of all deaths of WW2. A defeated USSR would've meant the end of the war. The Germans problem with Britain was they didn't have explosives to put in the V2s.
>>337319590
Probably because most middle-class jobs and day-to-day activities in their lives don't exactly require any more than that. We have AP classes and specialized colleges if you're truly wanting a meaningful role in something, as >>337320340 says.
>>337321369
I didnt say that. Bolt action rifles are far superior to muskets obv, but I was just hoping the devs wouldnt go too far and implement weapons freely when they were not widely used, especially automatic rifles. If we have viable and mostly bolt actions for infantery im sold
>German steel alloy technology allowed them to shell Paris from 75 miles away
>a hundred years ago
Can you imagine how fucking spooky that must have been? Like getting shot by somebody a state over.
>>337320948
>muh brits
>muh germans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8
Educate yourself. Ask yourself what is that "betrayal" the Nazi party was talking about.
Will we get to see one of the greatest fighter pilots ever, Manfred von Richthofen represented in the game?
>member of the aristocracy
>sent to military school at age 12
>war breaks out
>put on supply line duty as an officer, escorting barrels of apples and water
>screw this, joined the war to fight for the country
>demand to be given a more active combat role
>sent to flight school, average life expectancy is 2 weeks
>crash plane, emerge uninsured from wreckage
>start racking up kills, get to 40, surpass your now deceased mentor
>paint your plane red so the enemy knows who they're dealing with, everyone in the squad tries to copy you
>fly hundreds of missions, mentor and brother die over the course of the war
>get shot in the head, survive and return to active duty
>forced to take a month off, hate it
>become national hero, higher ranking officers say you should retire
>screw that, the soldier fighting in the trenches doesn't get to retire, why should the soldier in the sky?
>back to flying, now most senior surviving member of graduating class
>claim 80 successful engagements before finally being shot down
>have autopsy performed by enemy
>buried with full military honours and rifle salute by enemy troops
He was 25 years old when he died.
>>337318063
man i would not have a single problem if the black guy from all the promotional material actually looked some what like these guys in that at very least they seem uneasy cause war and have probably seen some shit.
And not like some sort of faggity ass male model
>>337321729
>crash plane, emerge uninsured from wreckage
At least he doesnt have to worry about his premiums going up!
Ga-hyuck!
> Euros blame Americans for shit Europeans say
Americans and Russians are more likely to casually know about gun history than Euros. The fact that DICE is saying muskets instead of lever action rifles and revolvers, which is actually the most common misconception among Americans regarding WW1, shows how retarded Europeans are.
Fuck white people
>>337321729
Certainly a truckload of red triplanes in the trailer. You'd think they'd have in there, even if only as a cameo.
>>337321729
He'll get shot down by a black guy.
>>337318379
>get fleet sunk by british
>renounce war and embrace somali cock
>>337321958
Fuck your people more.
>>337321729
>start racking up kills, get to 40, surpass your now deceased mentor
Sounds like an intro mission to any CoD.
>>337321660
I don't see why they would, the Garand was everyone's bread and butter in the old Battlefield games regardless of the rare shit added for fun.
I do look forward to using a T-Gewehr though. And I could give less of a shit if there weren't that many fielded in actual war. There were enough for everyone else to take notice and that's seems good enough for me.
>>337321589
Even if we consider no us intervention for the sake of the argument, and thats already a HUGE if, eastern front was a bleeding gigantic wound for the german army. "Winning" in russia would have required destroying both the demographic advantage and the industrial soviet power. And both were terribly difficult to do. Russia is fuck huge with too many people to send to die unti you have no ammo left and they could shit tanks faster than germany.
Now im not saying that russia could have won either without western help but a german victory seems really hard to accomplish.
Axis was insanely lucky in the beginning of the war, especially with the poker offensive in France but it could have been real bad. The following years proved that their strategy was too dangerous and risky to be rewarding in the long term.
>>337321589
>The Germans problem with Britain was they didn't have explosives to put in the V2s.
oh please
The v2s had explosives, but they were unguided and thus pretty much useless. Got the germans to waste a ton of time and material though.
The war was doomed for germany by the start of the soviet invasion.
>>337321729
>got replaced by a future nazi
>>337321251
>suicide rush
You mean a brisk march, there's no rushing in these engagements.
>>337319760
>america putting money into anything but the defense budget
old people and foreigners barely get shit
>>337307870
>all these features and modes that the devs are talking about
>community is going to find the most meatgrinder map and play on that all the time
>>337312713
>you think they aren't gonna take liberties out the ass with it and be "true" to WWI
Yeah, no.
>>337322281
You are genuinely retarded if you believe that. Go look at the fucking budget. Social security for the baby boomers holding onto their jobs until 75 is going to bankrupt us.
>>337312713
It almost is, though.
Before Battlefield 1 i never heard that niggers fought in WW1 and everybody that i ask for it said that they never think about it before and they maybe were some nigros but only in Africa
>>337321589
Actually the German's problem what that Hitler was a moron one trick pony with his Blitz tactics. After that all he did was make bad decisions when he should have let his commanders actually command. One of the biggest issues was for instance, the fact that Hitler would not let the Luftwaffe protect its bombers as they wanted to. The fucking imbecile.
But that also goes both ways, as he witnessed the horror of WW1 gas tactics himself, he also vetoed any suggestion that his forces use heavy poison gas in their engagements. So good on him for that I guess.
>>337322448
>social budget is going to bankrupt us
>not the fuckton of money we put in our military and which is more than the sum of the ten following countries budget and which doesnt serve to anything except create instability in the countries we try to help
Ok
>>337322564
What shithole do you live in?
>people here are actually taking the /int/ banter seriously
>>337322189
You'd have to take out all them supplies America threw at Russia if you're taking out the Americans.
>>337322564
Would you be surprised to learn that the India had SS brigades during WW2 or that Bayer, the same company who manufacture aspirin also manufactured shit like mustard gas for the Germans in WW1?
>>337322632
>I cant look at the budget
>so let me make an unrelated point!
>>337320562
>No, it didn't.
Yes it did.
>>337319590
>Can you recite 100 vocabulary words from memory? You pass foreign language class
To be honest I can kind of understand the importance not really put on language since English is the current lingua franca and it really depends on where you live in the US whether it behooves you or not to learn Spanish. There is also a feeling that those coming from Mexico or South America should learn English, not the other way around.
This is completely different from the Europe where you have a bunch of countries next to each other who all speak different languages.
>>337322725
It helped them a lot sure but the soviet union still had a huge industrial capacity, out of reach from the german army after stamin moved thz factories to the east.
The first year was desastrous for the union but the german strategy was inefficient against it.
>tfw gameplay will be just like the other 3 predecessing games reskinned
>tfw there will be videos of people doing le epic call of duty tier montages over a fucking WW1 game
>tfw I can almost guarantee everyone will be running around with some obscure as shit prototype smg and bolt actions will be useless and forgotten
>tfw this game will spread misinformation and make the hellish nightmare that was WW1 into complete joke
>tfw this game will take a big steamy shit all over history
>>337322725
Even then, Germany was at the end of their chain when the stalled outside of Moscow, they had overstretched their logistical capabilities pretty badly, fuck they were relying on horse wagons to move supplies up to the front more heavily than trucks on some parts of the front.
Pit that against Stalin moving most of the important factories back to the Urals and Germany still doesn't have it easy.
>>337322632
Here's a tip, you complete fucking retard, Google the goddamn budget before you open your dumb mouth. Unemployment, Labor, and Social Securities is more than double the military spending.
>>337307870
>tfw my countrymen are retarded niggers
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=c7nRTF2SowQ&video_start=0&audio=0P47yvI7SWM&audio_start=25
>>337322936
>Can you recite 100 vocabulary words from memory? You pass foreign language class
English has such a smattering of other languages already in it that most people who speak English can do this unintentionally with little effort.
>>337322896
I did. 16% going to the defense is far too much
Thank god, and entire game worth of trench warfare would just be horrible and depressing, unless that's their goal
>>337322956
>It helped them a lot sure but the soviet union still had a huge industrial capacity
Zhukov himself said that they would not have won without lend lease
The soviets were pretty shit in the production of lots of things during the war. They put most of their capacity into tanks and planes and neglected everything else.
>>337307870
Jeff Gerstmann implied the same thing when addressing shooting from horseback.
"Highly inaccurate guns while riding a horse"
Niggah, WW1 guns were fairly accurate. You don't need reflex sights to hit your target.
>>337319614
And I think things are swinging back towards that now because people have learned from the current US wars that war is inevitably followed by nation building and guerilla warfare.
It's longer simply going into a country, smashing shit, and leaving.
>>337322612
Germany's other problem was choosing shit allies:
Italians
>expand the war to the Balkans, can't win against anyone and needs Germany to bail them out
>can't fucking hold out in Africa, needs Germany to bail them out again
>can't hold flanks for shit, lets Germany get surrounded in Stalingrad
>gets invaded, can't hold out and needs Germany to bail them out
Japan
>pisses off America so they become an active military participant instead of just a supply broker
>has a non-aggression pact with Russia so the soviets just move their eastern armies west at pivotal moments
>literally started a fight with a power it could never win against and gets slowsly crushed under the power of American ship manufacturing and superior training speed
Romania and Hungary
>did okay I guess
>still couldn't hold out against the Soviets
Finland
>whooped Russia's ass in terms of loss ratios
>still lost
>>337323129
Of course but they would have bled germany far too much at this point for allowing a victory. Shit you cant control a territory as big as russia anyway.
>>337322189
Nah, you're wrong, Stalingrad was the last defense for Russians.
> demographic advantage
What demographic advantage? The soviets sent way more untrained people to fight than the Germans.
>the long term
What long term? If no US intervention the war would've been over by 1946, Britain and France would've been independant countries, not German territory. You seem to be bent on the idea that Germans were trying to occupy territory, they were waging war. You conveniently seem to forget that the Japs could've attacked the USSR from the east.
>>337322191
Even if they did have enough explosives for the V2 rockets, which they didn't, but whatever, once they took lands in the soviet union, they could've rearmed, build more rockets, shoot more rockets, reorganized and started waging real war in the west. At which point, Britain would've collapsed.
They shot ~3000 rockets during the war, many of them filled with concrete, imagine if they launched 30000 or 100000. What if they found a way to guide them? What if they managed to build bigger ones, what if the Wehrmacht concentrated their efforts on Britain?
>>337323213
Yahtzee, when reviewing medal of honor airborne, claimed that flak towers were complete fiction and unbelievable
Why are game reviewers so stupid? Cant they google shit before saying it in the public record?
Apparently, from those that attended the press event, there was shots of "soldiers landing on a beach".
So it sounds like the Battle of Gallipoli will be in the game, pretty excited for that.
>>337314556
Sweden makes guns and are damn good at it too.
Every hear of the Carl Gustaf RPG?
I'm sure you've seen it in your meme FPSs.
If you got to play pre-ww2 hitler would pol still be mad over the cover
>>337319590
>Can you recite 100 vocabulary words from memory
Simple word memorization but also word forms and using them in sentences. After the mandatory two years it of course gets more complex and quite a few will take three or four years, but usually everyone has that knowledge atrophy later through lack of use.
>>337322612
>Hitler refused to use gas on other people
wew lad
>>337323059
That syncs up pretty well in some parts, though the trailer overall is a bit too fast (with all those quick cuts) outside of those few scenes that are slow enough to go with the music.
>>337323213
I think the implication was "it's hard to hit shit from a moving horse" which is fairly accurate, I think most cavalry units of the era dismounted before engaging in ranged combat.
>>337323329
>They shot ~3000 rockets during the war, many of them filled with concrete, imagine if they launched 30000 or 100000.
Then their is no luftwaffe
You cant just make a ton more rockets out of thing air. You have limited resources, especially in the case of germany. So do you make more rockets, or more fighters, or bombers? What do you cut to hit that 30k figure.
And this is assuming that they'd find a way to guide the rockets to make them useful - because even 30-100k unguided v2s wont do much in terms of strategic impact. Much better off building up a bomber force to actually hit factories.
>What if they managed to build bigger ones, what if the Wehrmacht concentrated their efforts on Britain?
They did, and it lead to the end of the luftwaffe. Its why Udet committed sodoku in 41.
>>337323451
Are you Swedish?
You should be ashamed of that post.
>four empires died because of WW1
Huh? I guess the Ottoman Empire, but what else?
Also, in the 1900's where did the Ottomans rule?
>>337323304
You don't need to control Russia, this is a stupid point. You need to block their supply lines and it's over for them. The Japs could've steamrolled through the east and destroyed all hope for the commies.
>>337323261
I agree with that, Japan was probably the main reason the Axis lost that war, even all of Italy's failures are better to fucking forcing the US into war.
>>337318434
reported
>>337323598
German and Russian too.
![tumblr_mls35ew5FW1r84pkto1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YJWBoR0.jpg "tumblr mls35ew5FW1r84pkto1 500[1]")
>>337323608
>The Japs could've steamrolled through the east and destroyed all hope for the commies.
Hahaha
yeah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol
>1939
The reason japs never attacked was because they learned their lesson in 1939
>>337323598
Austro-Hungarian
Russian
German
>>337323608
Hitler being too cocky and Mussolini being too much of a pansy lost the axis ww2.
>>337323451
The Goose is a recoilless rifle, not an RPG.
>>337323341
>complete fiction
Fascinating how someone could reach this conclusion, when several Flak towers still exist today.
The most simple of google searches would tell you this. Just like googling "Did black people fight in WWI" would tell you all French Senegalese soldiers and the American Hellfighters, among many others.
>>337323568
yeah, the pace of the trailer pissed me off a bit, but I've still had some fun with my dubbing
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?
video=c7nRTF2SowQ&video_start=0&audio=7uTAIpU0sa0&audio_start=1
>>337321503
Pretty sure it's pasta. I think I've seen this before.
>>337323807
>>337323762
Russian Empire died of a different, albeit a pretty similar reason.
>>337323807
But Germany and Russia are still here?
>>337323883
fucking hell
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=c7nRTF2SowQ&video_start=0&audio=7uTAIpU0sa0&audio_start=1
>>337323598
germany + austria + russia i guess
>>337323578
There's a lot of iron in the east, anon.
>30-100k unguided v2s wont do much in terms of strategic impact
Is this a joke?
This is what made the Japanese give up. The threat of total annihilation, what if Germans started building defense on the mainland and just started shelling Britain with v2s? What would Britain do? Invade? Nope? Air attacks? How do you find where the rockets are shot from? What was Britain gonna do? What happens when Japs blockade Britain navally from the west, where is Britain gonna get oil? Occupation does not require a large force, contrary to public opinion, you need to occupy the right spots, do you think the citizens will revolt? No, it's going to be just some guriella fuckers with no weapons.
>>337323936
It might have not died without WW1
My aunt believes WW1 and the Civil War were the same thing, no matter how much someone tries to explain to her how those are different things she still confuses both.
>>337323942
Empire loss, not country dissolution
>>337323830
Nah, it was the USA that lost the Axis the war and nothing else. I mean, I can't scratch Britain as the second best fighter, but they are on a fucking island.
>>337307870
American education, ladies and gentlemen!
>>337323942
>Empire
Germany could no longer operate as an Empire after the war, and the Russian Czarist Empire was dissolved during the war because of the communist revolution.
The countries may still exist in name, but they are certainly not the empires they used to be.
>>337323598
Austria-Hungary (divided into smaller nations)
Czarist Russia (overthrown in revolution)
Germany (reorganized into the Weinmar Repbulic with no colonial holdings)
>Also, in the 1900's where did the Ottomans rule?
Middle East from Egypt to Iraq I think, with Greece and the southern Balkans.
>>337323608
>block Russian supply lines
This implies you can get behind them, something which Germany was never able to do in the war, even in their best year (1941, the initial offensive). They were never able to cut off the northern sea route with either naval forces (U-boats and surface groups) or land forces (Finnish or northern units stuck at Leningrad). They were never able to cut off the southern route and get to that sweet oil via Stalingrad. They were never going to take out the central route, because that would require them to encircle the ENTIRE Soviet army. And they most certainly weren't going to take on the Pacific route, which was a world away.
>Japanese
>beating the Russians in a land war
>1941
Even without the nonagression pact, the Japanese army was heavily tied down in fighting China, yet another huge country with lots of people. To launch an offensive to fight Russia would have been madness, especially as the Russians gained significant advances in small arms and tank design over the Japanese who had mostly stagnated at this point in favor of naval and air manufacturing.
>>337323568
m8 cavalry using guns while mounted was a thing for centuries
>>337319371
WW2 was fought by 99.99999% not Easy Company, yet they figurehead a plethora of WW2 media.
Being a rarity, or a standout, makes you more likely to be a poster child for media than a generic nobody in a sea of similar people.
Will we be able to play as hussars?
>>337321849
>i would not have a single problem
Yes you would. You'd be complaining all the same until he stopped being black, you can quit pretending.
>>337307870
Actually the war was fought mostly with bolt action rifles. But they're going to make that the designated sniper weapon and everyone else will get shotguns and SMGs. That's what most people are complaining about. I feel like Dice have taken maybe one uninformed complaints out of millions of legitimate complaints and is basically saying "see, this is how stupid everyone who hates our game is."
>>337322956
>It helped them a lot sure but the soviet union still had a huge industrial capacity
Yeah great. What with all the food they'd be able to give to those workers without British, Canadian and US aid. The U.S., UK and Canada supplied the USSR with some $130 billions worth of supplies during WWII.
Russia could only really field good light tanks with their industry, because a great deal of it was destroyed. By 1941 30% percent if Russia's medium to heavy tank product was British built and shipped.
Canada would eventually produce 1,420 Valentine Tanks, almost exclusively for delivery to the Soviet Union. By July 1942 the Red Army had 13,500 TOTAL tanks in service, with more than 16 percent of those imported, and more than half of those British.
A total of 699 Lend-Lease aircraft had been delivered to point Archangel by the time Arctic convoys switched to Murmansk in December 1941. Of these, 99 Hurricanes and 39 Tomahawks were in service with the Soviet air defense forces on January 1, 1942, out of a total of 1,470 fighters. About 15 percent of the aircraft of the 6th Fighter Air Corps defending Moscow were Tomahawks or Hurricanes.
The Russian army lost 58 percent of its vehicles in 1941 alone. To recover these losses, the Allies supplied more than 400,000 vehicles, mainly trucks, to the USSR. During the occupation, the German concern Daimler Benz set up a vehicle assembly line at a factory in Minsk (now the capital of Belarus). After the liberation of the city, the assembly of American vehicles under Lend-Lease was organized there.
In the first protocol of Lend-Lease (there were four of them), only 20 percent of deliveries were in military equipment, while 80 percent were related to industrial and food production. The Allies supplied 1900 locomotives to the USSR, while only 446 locomotives were produced in the country itself during the same period, as well as 11,000 carriages, while only a few more than 1,000 were made in the USSR.
who /adrianhelmet/ here?
>>337321024
Oh look, it's an American comments on the teaching of a country he's never been to episode.
Please do tell me more about my country.
>>337324286
that would be great
which means no, you can't
>>337318612
>While the USA was the reason the allies won both wars
Technically true. in WW1 however it had very little to do with military action. Germany was fighting a losing war, largely in part due to England being supplied by America. Germany in a last ditch effort decided to cut off the supplies knowing full well that it would cause America to enter the war for real. They surrendered shortly afterward.
>>337324286
No, but you get an equally important historical figure instead.
>>337324307
I'm at least hoping there are "across the board" class weapons in the form of bolt-actions.
Weapons that any class can choose, because I will damn sure choose a bolt action if given the choice, and I would hate if it had to be scoped.
Wait, so they didn't use muskets in WW1?
>>337321251
>American thinks WW1 was all trenches and all happened within a 100 mile radius in central europe
What a shock, go back to school.
No slouch hat, no buy
>>337319590
>X^3=1/4
That's actually kind of a bastard to solve
>that half hour long argument I had with a friend after the BF WWI leak a couple months back and he thought WWI was fought with muskets.
Some people really are that stupid.
>>337324462
No, Tyrone. Go ask your dad for a history book.
>>337324462
They use crossbows.
>>337323965
>This is what made the Japanese give up. The threat of total annihilation,
Nope
Mass stragic bombing campaign had crippled japan and widespread starvation was just around the corner. Soviets entering sealed the deal
>what if Germans started building defense on the mainland and just started shelling Britain with v2s?
You mean like the atlantic wall? Or the massive investment in flak to protect the reich. Both things they did that didnt work
>How do you find where the rockets are shot from?
With arial recon, like what they actually did.
>What happens when Japs blockade Britain navally from the west, where is Britain gonna get oil?
Japan had neither the numbers nor the projection power to do such a thing, even if they had an inclination to (guess what, they didnt!)
The reality is the V2s were little more than a nuisance that did more to steel public resolve against the germans than break it.
If you triple, or even increase production and launches by 10 fold its still achieving jack shit - because the V2s as were did next to nothing.
The germans would have been much better off investing in strategic bombers and firebombing the shit out of britian. This could have brought england to its knees.
>>337324360
No, because fuck the Italians.
>>337324187
>>Japanese
>>beating the Russians in a land war
They didn't need to beat them, they just needed to occupy their time and resources. And this is the case, because Japs wanted to invade China, why would they do that in the first place, Japs were so fucking stupid. Why would they not help their allies, this makes no fucking sense.
>>337323567
Combatants bitch. He outright refused the use of phosgene and other asphyxiating gases on enemy soldiers.
>>337324462
nah
cartridge repeating rifles were in use for 50 years before WW1
>>337323954
I don't think any tragic war music will ever fully work with the trailer just because of the speed of the cuts, but good effort.
>>337323965
>What happens when Japs blockade Britain navally from the west
Please help I'm dying of laughter. The Japanese already had shortages of fuel (one of the key reasons why they attacked the Americans in the first place) so even ignoring a lack of infrastructure in the Atlantic that would support the IJN they wouldn't have the fuel to get there. On top of that they would have to either break through the Royal Navy in the Indian Ocean, round the horn of Africa, past Britain's Atlantic patrols, and then defeat the Home Fleet. The alternate route would be to cross the entire pacific, get past the Falklands (since America would most likely bar any Japanese ships from using the Panama canal, and I believe most of the big Japanese ships were too wide to fit the locks), defeat the Atlantic patrols and the Home fleet.
>>337324587
we are sorry
>>337324364
Its on fire and full of brown ticking time bombs
>>337324307
The war was fought mostly with days upon days of sitting in a goddamn trench taking occasional potshots.
>>337324356
>Russia could only really field good light tanks with their industry, because a great deal of it was destroyed.
iirc, most of the machinery used in soviet tank production was from the usa
A pretty astounding amount of machinery and tools were sent to the ussr, in addition to the stuff people generally think about.
>>337324546
I sat next to a girl in high school who I found out through conversation didn't know what the Soviet Union was. Wasn't sure who Hitler was, but thought he had SOMETHING to do with WWII.
People have a tendency to be pretty stupid.
>>337324668
They made that shit to WW2 for years now, how WW1 is different in being shit on than WW2?
war is hell
>>337324726
That's a myth. battles were actually settled by commanding officers having a dance off in no mans land.
>>337324659
's ok bby, just stop using nepotism to decide your officer corps.
>>337323261
>>337323608
It would help to understand why Japan attacked the US.
If you really think that Japan just attacked for a selfish land grab you must be foolish, the Japanese were no strategic idiots, they knew full well a war with the US meant certain destruction unless they racked up significant decisive victories in the opening moves of the Pacific War (which was the hope at Pearl Harbor, the only saving grace for the Americans was that many of the aircraft carriers were out of port and thus saved from destruction)
No, the real reason Japan attacked first is that the US was already at economic war with Japan in the form of oil and rubber sanctions. Because of the rapid expansions the Empire made in the previous decade, without a steady supply of war materials Japan's economy began to crumble. On the verge of economic crisis at the onset of WW2 and since Roosevelt was being a dick and not giving them any avenues for diplomatic maneuvering the last desperate move was a gamble for a decisive first strike at the US Pacific Fleet. Unfortunately due to the circumstances stated above the Japanese gambled and lost, and IJN high command knew this very early on in the Pacific War.
>>337324206
I'm not saying it wasn't, but typically it was less accurate as a combination of the shorter weapons (carbines instead of rifles) and the violent motion of the horse. Normally you would stop or dismount before firing for best results, especially as counter-fire got more accurate as being on top of a horse made you a huge fucking target.
>>337324601
The Japanese were already engaged in China when war broke out in Europe (invaded in 1937, Poland was invaded in 1939). They couldn't exactly leave, especially when it provided lots of resources to fuel the war machine. Also you're backpedaling from "The Japs could've steamrolled through the east and destroyed all hope for the commies."
>>337324871
Imagine running into a field where random goddamn spots exploded.
>>337324726
Until the higher ups got fed up that no progress was being made and ordered charges straight into machinegun fire.
>>337312713
They already have TRENCH MARINES
This game will end up as alternate history.
>>337324954
best place to hide was in a crater since shells were so inaccurate they most likely wouldn't hit the same place twice
You know why anyone would think WW1 was fought with muskets, outside of idiots who fell asleep in history class? They're confusing muskets with bayonets.
>>337324974
So just like the previous WW2 Battlefield installments where one guy is able to kill hundreds of Nazi by himself due to player agency?
>>337323768
>Overall, the Japanese lost 42 tanks in these encounters, primarily to 45mm tank and anti-tank guns, which outranged the Japanese weapons
Fuck I couldn't imagine the frustration
>>337318063
>brought bunch of black
>nobody likes them, nobody wants them
>dump them to the French
>French were like, ok we need more fodder on the front line anyway
>bunch em up with other north african slaves and colonial draft
They were murrican, but they fought under french banner, using french equipment, under the order of french command.
>>337324569
>that mortar at the very end
>that guy casually arming it, getting a safe distance away a mere seconds from firing
>>337324920
>No, the real reason Japan attacked first is that the US was already at economic war with Japan in the form of oil and rubber sanctions. Because of the rapid expansions the Empire made in the previous decade, without a steady supply of war materials Japan's economy began to crumble. On the verge of economic crisis at the onset of WW2 and since Roosevelt was being a dick and not giving them any avenues for diplomatic maneuvering the last desperate move was a gamble for a decisive first strike at the US Pacific Fleet. Unfortunately due to the circumstances stated above the Japanese gambled and lost, and IJN high command knew this very early on in the Pacific War.
RAPE OF NANKIN IS A LIE USA DID SANCTIONS FOR NO REASON
JAPAN DINDUNUFFIN DEY A GOOD BOY
>>337324607
So gassing dirty Bolsheviks wasn't an option but gassing Jewish children was?
>>337307870
>we could have a WW2 game with today's technology
>they pick fucking WW1
Literally JUST
>>337324839
that pic is from ww2
>>337324920
>the only saving grace for the Americans was that many of the aircraft carriers were out of port and thus saved from destruction
Not quite true, Japan specifically targeted the battleships, thinking retaining theirs would give them the edge. As that was where naval combat was at tactically at the time. Carriers were only really support. Necessity and the evolution of technology changed the line of thinking very quickly, however.
>>337324569
They aren't crossbows, they're slingshots.
There better be lots of comfy trench warfare
>>337318468
They call it a world war for a reason...
>>337325265
gassing children is easy when you've got them contained in an airtight shower room
>>337324187
excuse me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't the plan to attack Russia with Germany?
>>337325282
I actually watched a great video on flamethrowers. Apparently America got into the war so behind on the flamethrower meta that they disavowed the use of them. Until WW2.
>>337325309
They'll eventually start churning out the WW2 shit again soon enough
>>337324807
I think History class is the one people are most likely to fall asleep in. It's the one that probably gets cited most as "I'll never need this shit in my life." As such the average person is more likely to be ignorant of history over the other core subjects of math, science, and English/your native language class.
>>337324920
I didn't mention it in my initial poor allies post, but yeah the Japanese decision wasn't made out of stupidity (like I think the Italian ones were) but out of a percieved necessity in order to continue the existing campaigns in China. However, the option quitting the war in China was on the table, which would have ended the American embargo and also not given America Causus Belli to declare war on the Axis (though obviously they probably would have found an excuse at some point, given their secret agreements with Britain). Would they have ever realistically chosen to withdraw from China over war with the United States? Probably not, but it was always an option.
>>337325309
We have enough WW2 shit, fuck off
>>337318107
I guess that faggot never heard of the Gatling gun.
>>337325309
WWI is a really interesting, and under represented war. So much so, that average people assume it was fought with muskets, was strictly trench warfare, and was only fought in Europe.
We've had so much WWII shoved down our throats for years, and this is coming from someone who finds WWII extremely interesting as well.
>>337325359
yeah but Germany ran out of Germans along the way
>>337325338
>comfy
That's not how you say "Possibly the most nerve wracking kind of warfare in existence"
Undermining made sure you were never safe, the enemy was randomly bombarding you, at any point they might be breaching your trench and slaughtering all your friends with flamethrowers
Shits bad.
I thought that by muskets he meant bolt action rifles but then he added bolt action rifles along with muskets and I don't know what to think. What did he mean by muskets? Surely not actual muskets? I was under the impression that even during the american civil war bolt action rifles started replacing muskets.
>>337325083
Previous WW2 BF games did not have singleplayer (unless you were l33t gaymer).
they also did not have hipfiring full metal knights.
It looks like last levels of MOH Airborne.
>>337325451
Speaking of gas masks.
>>337325541
>what is hyperbole
he was obviously not being serious
>>337323608
>You need to block their supply lines and it's over for them.
You can't win a fight like that against Russia, its too vast and you'll simply overextend then watch as the Russian horde come slamming in.
Winning a war against Russia would be about denying vital resources, like if the Germans went straight for the Caucasus oil fields and other sources of oil instead of Moscow they could just stave the Russians out.
>Japs
The Japs tried and lost in a fight against Russia. Its entirely why Japan took to conquering the Pacific.
>>337325605
>the guy with a goddamn rag over his nose and mouth
They don't like him too much.
>>337325626
Okay, thank you, sorry. My mental issues sometimes make it difficult to discern subtlety in social situations. Again, really sorry.
>>337320562
>England and suggested England not accept that treaty and that they were going to make the USA join the war, their price was Israel.
>Jews
>Isreal
>WWI
What the fuck? Jews had fuck all to do with WWI. Isreal was created after WWII (1948 with international recognition in 1949) as a "sorry for the horrible shit Hitler did to you guys" gesture and to punish the people living in that region, who sided with Hitler (Hitler even had Muslims in his armies).
The only thing that triggers me so far is that little bit in the trailer where the guy puts on his gas mask when he sees the gas cloud. Considering the fact that there were multiple types of gas warfare happening, not just visible mustard gas. That motherfucker would have that mask on at all times out in the field. Phosgene for instance is invisible, you cannot see it and it only became a gas in warm baring. Soldiers would get dormant phosgene liquid on them while doing grunt work and think nothing of it only to walk into their barracks to sleep while the fucking phosgene became a gas as they slept due to warmth and kill everyone.
>>337325508
>implying sitting all huddled together in a muddy trench with your buddies while explosions are going off above your heads won't be comfy as fuck in BF1
>>337325662
>Winning a war against Russia would be about denying vital resources, like if the Germans went straight for the Caucasus oil fields and other sources of oil instead of Moscow they could just stave the Russians out.
Literally what the germans did
They did a bunch of war gaming for a north, middle and south push into the USSR. The south push had the highest win rate, something like 56%.
>>337325326
Regardless of whether or not the Japanese made them a priority, the fact that they simply weren't present during the attack is already a contributing factor.
There's no doubt that is takes less dive bombers to knock out a carrier than it does to knock out a battleship.
>>337325083
Player agency=/=fictional equipment.
>>337325359
>excuse me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't the plan to attack Russia with Germany?
No, but the history of this is actually fairly complicated. Both Germany and Japan were trying their hardest to not force additional players into their wars, but failed to coordinate with each other which lead to both the Soviet Union and United States entering the War.
Because of the nonaggression pact between German and Russia, Japan thought that there would be no conflict between those too, which lead them to try and secure friendly relations with the Soviet Union.
Stalin also agreed to the non-aggression pact under the idea that France and Britain would kick the shit out of Germany, but was notable distraught when that failed to happen, which was when half-hearted defenses began construction on the Soviet half of Poland.
Finally Germany assumed that an alliance with Japan would keep Russian forces divided, even without actual war between Japan and Russia.
>>337325708
>that guy with just a goddam scarf
They want him dead
>>337325724
>I dont know shit about zionism
lel
>>337325724
Yeah, but the jews got the US into ww1.
>>337325393
it's true, and our first attempt the M1 was absolute dog shit and never EVER workedM2 was the cadillac of flamethrowers
sure is something to outlaw use of something if you're not any good at it just so you do not need to face its effects, and then bring it into play later.
>>337325605
Tell me about them. Why do they wear the mask?
>>337322281
>>337322448
Actually, the majority of the budget goes into our awful (corrupt) healthcare system.
And we get prices anywhere from 5x to 100x the price they should be....
>>337325782
>Literally what the germans did
They went for Moscow first, then when they failed they went south.
>>337323768
So the Russians fielded over twice the forces that the Japs did but still lost way more.
If the Japs had attacked from the east while the Nazis attacked the the west Russia would have been majorly fucked.
Just had to attack America who didn't even want to go to war at the time.
>>337325805
This is where you're wrong, the Soviet Union was preparing for an invasion long before the war has started. Read the Icebreaker by Suvorov.
>But Russia was not preparing for an invasion.
Yeah, it's not like the invaded half of Europe.
>>337325605
What were the point of these pictures? I see these photos of crowds of gas masked people staring into the camera all the time, it's uncanny as fuck.
>>337325920
>the french 75 in ww1
>the fischer 75 in ww2
rip in piece don berlin
>>337324289
>everyone thinks you have to be racist to be cool
Some people aren't retarded, surprisingly.
>>337325920
>let go too late
>lose an arm, or at least fracture it to shit which would probably lead to you losing an arm
>>337325541
Bolt actions saw very limited use in the American Civil War. Muskets were by far the bread and butter of the war, on both sides.
But as was the nature of the war, people used what they could get their hands on, especially the Confederacy. So while the musket was by large the most common gun, you would also see other types of actions, such as breach loading single shot rifle (Burnside Rifle and Frank Wesson Rifle being good examples), falling block rifles (Sharps Rifle), and many other manner of rifles.
Repeating rifles, like the Henry or Spencer, saw limited use and had to be either privately purchased or you just had to be lucky enough to get issued it, likely if you were cavalry.
>>337320203
>school is underfunded
>kids can't pass tests
>government gives them less money
???
>>337324920
Nah, I don't, I know America was trying to get into the war, but we're talking about a hypothetical scenario in which they didn't.
>>337325847
>claim WWI is about "das Juden"
>claim that they wanted Isreal as their goal
Let me repeat that Jews had fuck all to do with WWI. And if Isreal was their price then they got shafted because the war ended in 1918 and Isreal was wholly owned by the Palestinians until 1948 when the allied powers basically told them "fuck you guys, this is Jew land now".
>>337326015
Russia also continued to conquer Asia after WW2 ended doing so under the pretense of the war. They only stopped because the US and Britain noticed and told them to fuck off about that.
>>337326027
That picture is just to show off a few types of gas masks used in WW1. Probably just for future reference.
>>337326027
If you and a bunch of pals found some gas masks you'd all want to take a group picture wearing it anon
>its a bastardization of history with no actual historical accuracy but just selling off the time
>will have absolutely no relation to WW1 but the dates they put on the screen before every cinematic
Why did people expect different? Its a Hollywood movie turned into a game, all dice games are.
Stop worrying about series made for children.
>>337324920
>the real reason Japan attacked first
The real reason Japan attacked first was because they failed to win in the east against the USSR. The two options open to Japan was either the army taking ground in East-Asia against the Soviets, or the navy taking ground in the Pacific against the British and later Americans.
WE WUZ WWI NIGGA
>>337326089
>I dont know where school funding comes from!
>>337326234
>Its a Hollywood movie turned into a game
you wish
>>337326295
https://youtu.be/eEuoAl1elLU
Educate yourself you inbred.
>>337326015
Sorry, I meant that his preparations for German assault increased but in a half-hearted manner. Russian defenses weren't ready at all when Operation Barbarossa began, and crumbled instantly which lead to the use of scorched earth and trading space for time. Stalin was a little delusional, and though Hitler to be his buddy (while simultaneously hating his guts, Stalin was weird like that) and had a complete mental breakdown when Hitler invaded, fleeing to his vacation home to recuperation.
>>337326002
Russians have the numbers to not give a fuck, and the weaponry to fuck up the Japanese. notice >>337325140 in terms of how fucked the Japanese were in terms of armored warfare, and things had not gotten better in the intervening years. At best it would be a distraction and prevent reserves from moving west. At worst the Russians would steam roll into Manchuria 4 years earlier and we would have only one Korea under communist rule.
>Just had to attack America who didn't even want to go to war at the time.
The American government was quite willing to go to war to defend their European allies, and had been preparing for war for some time. It was only the American public that needed convincing, and at some point either Germany or Japan would have fucked up, even if there was no Pearl Harbor.
>>337326089
jesus fucking christ
>>337326059
Didn't the single shot muzzle loaded guns have rifling by the time of the Civil War, technically making them rifles and not muskets?
>>337326089
>money cures everything
>>337321276
Kek
>>337326316
>American soldier with a GERMAN luger pistol
WOW FUCKING HISTORICALLY INACCURATE MUCH? GET IT TOGETHER HOLLYWOOD
>>337326514
>he hasn't seen the movie
>>337326363
I don't disagree. I doubt the Japs would have gotten steamrolled, their primary role would have been distraction.
But getting America thrown into the war early while the Nazis were fighting Russia was a terrible move.
>>337315730
Gringo's education is horrible, at least Geographically.
I'm not kidding, I once spent over 10 literal minutes arguing with some dude that Panama existed. He tried to convinced me there was no such country and that it was just a city in Florida.
>>337325605
some of these actually look pretty normal by modern standards but top row, 2nd from left is fucking scary
>>337326460
They're having so much fun, its adorable.
>>337326459
Yes, they used rifled-muskets. As opposed to smoothbore muskets, but is still referred to as muskets in common usage.
>guys, this game about one of the more horrendous wars in human history will be epic, look at all these explosions!
Are DICE retarded?
>>337326579
Why are shit skins so easy to b8?
>>337326514
He obviously looted it off a dead german, dipshit
>>337326363
Yes, but in the end, we're talking about a hypothetical scenario in which America didn't join the war at all and didn't put economic sanctions on Japan. Would a double-front be grim to the Soviets fate? I personally think so.
>>337319590
Thanks anon, before this I honestly hadn't realized how much basic mathematic definitions I had forgotten in 4 years of studying medicine. Brb killing myself
>>337325978
>you have to light it like a match
>you have to hit it on a hard surface
You've got to be kidding me.
>>337326059
Keep in mind that muskets of the American Civil War are different from the ones of the American Revolution. Percussion caps made the weapons more reliable than the ones used some 75 years earlier, and inventions like the minnie ball and breach loading allowed for rifling to be used more frequently. This is one of the reasons the war was so deadly, as these incremental changes added up; of course it wouldn't be until WWI where things got super terrifying.
>>337326514
Luger shopped its pistol around quite a bit before the war started.
Also >>337326563
>>337326343
>Harlem Hellfighters established power of blacks in the military
This is fucking bullshit, France, Britain and I'm sure the other colonial powers had black colonial troops. All I'm hearing is "in American history".
>one guy kills 4 men in CQC
Shit, is this what we're going by? I get go grab some of the Gurkha VC recipients if you'd like and show you some real CQC.
>>337326563
I'm making half-assed parody of the litany of posts that came out after the Battlefield 1 promotional image came out complaining that a black american soldier was using german weapons.
>>337326668
I guess someone failed Geography if you actually believe that, lol
>>337326680
>he hasn't seen the movie either
>>337326789
sorry i missed the meme bandwagon
>>337322632
If America didn't have a fuck huge army it would suffer economic collapse.
What do you think backs your dollar?
>>337326582
Ah yes, the good 'ol US Navy MkII head canister gas mask.
>>337307870
Why are brit and aus fags so insecure? Literally every time BF1 is mentioned two things happen. 1. People complain about niggers and 2. Brits/aus complain about american education every fucking time.
Last I checked DICE wasn't an american company.
Americans are aware of the springfield rifle and water cooled browning. If not only just the fact that's what our Marines started with in ww2.
>>337326718
Yeah I keep forgetting we're arguing a theoretical scenario where America isn't involved at all, from combat to supplies. I'm just so used to arguing with delusional idiots who think Germany could have won without major historical revisions and simple adjustments of strategy.
>>337326579
>Gringos
Are you Mexican? Because from behave of us Americans we could live without you.
>>337312713
It has to be. That's the only explanation for women fighting hand to hand on fucking horses, niggers as well as the fucking minigun in armor. Oh, and NO TRENCH WARFARE.
Why the fuck would they even give a minigun to infantry anyway is beyond me. Battlefield never did this cowadoody shit before.
>>337318063
>one
>fucking
>squad
>in a great war where many men, white men, were dying
>>337325708
It would actually prevent Chlorine gas from entering your lungs, assuming it's damp.
>>337307870
People's ignorance of the late 19th century/early 20th century make me want to scream sometimes.
Actually, peoples views about history in general make me want to scream. FUCK.
>>337326746
>>you have to hit it on a hard surface
Kiska grenades used by japs in WW2 worked like this as well.
>>337327201
It's probably the British black veil respirator, which is a chemically treated rag.
You know what i hate the most, people that don't understand that historical accuracy has so good story value.
AC Unity would be utter shit without it's accuracy on Paris and some of the Side Mission Characters and all that.
And like how the date of death is the actual same in game, as in IRL.
>>337326746
Rifles in the civil war could hit targets at 250 yards extremely accurately. First time snipers were on the battlefield was the civil war.
ww1 doesn't get interesting until 1917 for many different reasons. One, thats when tanks entered the field and two the russians got fuckblasted because of the revolution. For years there was a stalemate before then. Three, America.
BF1 obviously takes place summer 1917 at the earliest.
>>337324576
>The germans would have been much better off investing in strategic bombers and firebombing the shit out of britian. This could have brought england to its knees.
They kind of tried this in (IIRC) 1943. It was called the 'little Blitz' and resulted in the loss of pretty much all of the Luftwaffe's bomber strength because by that point Britain was an impregnable AA fortress.
>>337327110
Where are you getting this minigun shit from? The armored guy's machinegun is not even fully visible at any point, and most people with some idea of WWI weaponry believe it to be a MG08/15, which was actually possible to be hip-fired.
Of all the things to complain about, you pick that?
And WWI was not all trenches, especially not towards the end. (To clarify, trenches WERE a major and huge factor of the war, I am not arguing otherwise). That said, trenches are shown in the trailer.
Also, black people fought in the war. Excluding the single black Harlem Hellfighters unit that the Americans gave to the French, the French themselves made HEAVY usage of black soldiers from their colonies in Africa. These black soldiers fought in Europe as well.
>>337326653
Well there were explosions in the first world war.
>>337326582
not the standard issue french gas mask where you had to piss on it first.
Fucking french.
>>337327256
lmao who cares about dumb history it's not like we'll ever need to learn from our mistakes get with the times gramps LOL
>>337326765
>all I'm hearing is "in american history"
Yes that is correct, because Americans were the ones still so behind that they wouldn't even let blacks fight.
>>337327331
>Three, America.
America had a shit army back in WW1. They didn't really do too well.
>BF1 obviously takes place summer 1917 at the earliest.
I'm mighty sure it's actually something earlier in the war when they were still rushing and it wasn't a stalemate. Later post-stalemate they didn't even feel like fighting so viciously. Everyone was tired of war.
>>337327421
I need to go to bed, but keep up the WWI footage .wembs, this is some good stuff.
>>337307870
>"if it's not machine guns then it's muskets"
There's an entire history of guns between muskets and handheld machine guns. They're called rifles. Bolt action, for instance.
>>337327329
Inaccuracy can lead to more enjoyment though. It's great to experience things how they really were, but some creative license is ok, given that they don't completely fuck it up. This is EA and DICE we're talking about though
>>337327321
The british continuing their long standing tradition of literally not giving a single fuck.
>>337327329
Yeah. And what DICE is likely to do is what CoD did with WWII. Put you in the shoes of fictional characters taking place in major events in the war.
I hope the artillery mortar class gets some armor.
>>337327392
Anon that is a minigun. You can very clearly see it.
Are you sure you're talking about WW1 anyway? WW2 made use of negro fighters, especially from the colonies, but WW1 it was all white men. White. Men. You know, the privileged cis male scum.
WW1 was literally tumblr's wet dream.
>>337327187
That's a poor excuse.
Since when do games, or stories for that matter, about war need to focus on the majority of people participating?
Hey, Band of Brothers was a good show. No wait, it sucked. There were many more Russian soldiers involved, so why the fuck should they focus on Americans?!
If the devs go "oh, every unit had 10+ black guys!", then that would be retarded. But having 4-5 (or how many they end up with) protagonists and making them all be white men because that's a better picture of the percentage of white men participating in the war would be dull as hell. They're focusing on the entire war - let them use whatever there's available to create a more nuanced game. They aren't there to do a census on the kind of people fighting, they're telling a story.
Not that it matters - the game will be shit anyway.
>>337321589
American intervention with 400.000 soldier fought against around 30 German low esteem divisions. The eastern front had 200 German divisions, stupid burger.
>>337321589
>obvious Germans would've won
Hitler never expected to win ww2. The best he could have hoped for was to grab as much land as possible and call for a cease fire.
Same for Japan. Japan had no where to turn to after america denied them access to oil. It was either attack the US or bleed out from their other wars. There was literally no way japan could have won. They again could hope for a ceasefire after breaking america's resolve to fight. Which, dumb japan, learned not to test america's resolve.
>>337327508
>OP tries to make a thread about how uneducated americans are
>turns out to be even more uneducated
>>337327480
>I'm mighty sure it's actually something earlier in the war
Unlikely, the coverart soldier from the Harlem Hellfighters has an MP18 slung on his side, so his part in the game is 1918, and since the Meuse-Argonne Offensive has been confirmed to be in the game, and the Harlem Hellfighters fought in that battle, that's one confirmation for a date.
There is also fighting in Saudia Arabia and the Italian Alps, and info from the press event suggests the Battle of Gallipoli is another confirmed part of the game, making 1915-16 the earliest possible part of the game so far.
>>337327664
>Hey, Band of Brothers was a good show. No wait, it sucked. There were many more Russian soldiers involved, so why the fuck should they focus on Americans?!
Are you saying russian soldiers were fighting along with americans or germans on the western front? Are you retarded?
![post-34986-0-84504600-1440897243[1].jpgw.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/C2OtKhu.jpg "post-34986-0-84504600-1440897243[1] w")
>>337327609
If they're gonna go with a sorta alternate universe thing and dump in some experimental shit in the multiplayer, I'd like to be able to use armor like this.
>>337327626
Okay, so you're shit-posting, understood.
>>337327902
The hell is that? Those plates are incredibly thin.
>>337327794
>Which, dumb japan, learned not to test america's resolve.
To be fair, The Emperor of Japan was warned twice to surrender and told flat out that if Japan did not, hell would be awoken. And the second warning was a courtesy.
>>337325448
Do you really expect them to do it even one iota of justice though?
50 bucks you get given a 'prototype' assault rifle 10 minutes into the game and get a call from president lynden b johnson to help stop the nazis.
>>337327849
I'm 100% sure that the game will span multiple years of the war so 1914 will be a must.
And I wouldn't look at the weapons as a date confirmation. BF tends to be very anachronistic in that regard.
>>337327626
>it was all white men
>he thinks turks are white
willing to bet none of the devs even served in ww1
>>337321276
Jesus Christ dude.
but I agree. All women are whores. Fuck you Veronica. 8 years of my life.
>>337327508
>handheld machine guns
please don't oversimplify so much, you're only going to make the dumb dumber. assault and battle rifles are still rifles. Plus, "handheld machine guns" served alongside rifles even in WWI.
I know YOU know this, but you're not doing your point very much justice.
>>337327480
the tanks alone mean it takes place after 1917. They did not get fielded until spring 1917 in limited quantities. The tanks, along with revolutions in both germany and russia, are what broke the stalemate. Logistical failures from internal politics + new tech.
>>337327858
No, but since it's a story about WW2, then it obviously needs to take into account the percentage each nationality filled out and focus on the majority, right? That's the whole "there was only one squad of black guys so they shouldn't focus on them" argument.
It can't be a story about that squad, that wouldn't be fair to all the other races that were in the war. And it's not fair to the Russians that BoB is about Americans.
>>337318319
The biggest killer of combatants was artillery but the biggest taker of overall human life in world war 1, both civilians and soldiers, was cholera, infection, dysentery and flu.
Artillery maimed and wounded many but it was infection and disease that often finished them off.
Calling it now:
The German side of the war will not be playable, in single player.
Every German soldier will be wearing a gasmask at all times, otherwise you risk portraying them as actual humans and not pre-Nazi monsters.
Possible exclusion: German pilots will likely not be wearing gasmasks.
>>337307870
>>337311047
>>337311465
French used muskets at the beginning of WW1.
![582353d1381756494-us-wwi-m-8-experimental-helmet-2013-10-14-055345[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rrMrnYB.jpg "582353d1381756494-us-wwi-m-8-experimental-helmet-2013-10-14-055345[1]")
>>337327958
Experimental American armor.
>>337327994
>turks
Aside from the fact that contrary to popular belief turks aren't nigger black, you should remember that ottomans only fought in a small fraction of the war.
>>337328070
>The German side of the war will not be playable, in single player.
Given they've got a name, face and backstory protagonist, this isn't a surprise, nor would i expect them to add a playable German side to the story, given the aforementioned main character.
>>337321276
lmao anon
>>337327992
Yeah, I know it will span multiple years, but I seriously doubt we'll see 1914 at all, at least not playable.
>Sunk by two Italian torpedo boats.
Dreadnoughts were a mistake.
>>337328048
Stop shitposting you retard. If the name is Band of Brothers, then it implies it's one squad's story, not entire WW2. There's a difference between this and a game called Battlefield.
How come they didn't put so many niggers and women in BoB? They fought too, didn't they?
>>337321276
you need to drink more
>>337321958
This. Racist assholes. It's just a video game.
>>337328043
Battlefield tends to be anachronistic. I'm 100% sure you'll see tanks in the early 1914 offensive maps. In fact I hope so, because vehicle warfare is what Battlefield is all about.
>>337321276
>I hope you're happy Sarah you filthy fucking whore
topkek
>>337328182
The black character from the Harlem Hellfighters they use in the promotional material?
He isn't the "main protagonist", the game has multiple playable characters, across multiple fronts of the war, he is merely one of the playable characters.
Unless you're referring to another named character that I haven't seen?
>>337327990
Assault rifles weren't even in the prototype phase in WWI. Hell they weren't a thing in WWII either. You had machine guns, light machine guns, and bolt actions at the start of WWI. By the end you had a few SMGs and semi-autos.
>>337328217
I'm sure there will be campaign missions in 1914 and probably some multiplayer maps too.
>>337328347
HH is actually a DLC so they could've used him there desu
>>337324364
>Do it to America all the time
>y-you can't do it to us though!
>>337328112
Now I seriously can't tell if you're being serious or not.
>>337328254
Well I mean, that black squad was on thebattlefieldyeah?
Hahaha that one youtube battlefield player said ''they need to add some fast guns and not muskets because else it wont fit the battlefield run and gun style gameplay''
If Americans would be thought more than bible study they woudn't think like this
>>337326906
why is the intake feeding the air to the eyehole things
doesnt that just cause some heavy fogging?
>>337328347
isnt the black guy the face of the game? he even has a statue
>>337328396
Look up a turk on google you moron.
>>337328359
actually the french had a self-loading rifle as early as 1916, but it was very experimental
>>337327449
i kno rite?
history is racis anyway lmao
>>337328182
>afro-mentioned main character
ftfy
;^)
>>337328359
>Assault rifles weren't even in the prototype phase in WWI. Hell they weren't a thing in WWII either.
That's my point. Theyll do a shit job and make up retarded shit.
>>337328347
Oh, i was under the impression he was the MC and this was going for a more story based style of game. Assuming you're correct your point stands, if it's jumping around between different characters, armies and fronts it would be right to include Germany but they most definitely wont.
>>337315730
american education is bioshock tier propaganda bullshit. you are brainwashed with capitalism.
>>337318612
>war cannot be lost anymore
Well murrica since this is a 100% win on our record lets go and help
This is literally what america does every time
you thought vietnam would also be easy since they are just jungle people
>>337328254
Wait, so you're saying that a story is allowed to focus on specific people?!? It doesn't have to focus on the majority of people involved in the actual event?
That would mean that a game like this Battlefield, where you're gonna be controlling several people fighting in WW1 all over the world, could, if they dared, include one of the black guys fighting in the war!
>>337328431
MOST modern masks run the air directly over the lenses of the mask because it actually prevents fogging. can't speak for old designs though
>tfw the game won't be filled with bolts and mgs holding positions for days
Instead we'll get some dank ass prototype weapons because they're cool
>>337321276
Settle down, Beavis.
>>>>/r9k/
>>337328390
The Harlem Hellfighters DLC is for weapons and gear, it's listed as a "Pack", it's not single player story missions.
>>337328452
A: they're not white, they might not be black but they're not fucking white. You scumbag pieces of shit only call them white when you want to take credit for their accomplishments.
B: that's not the part I was talking about, the fact that you seem to think the Ottomans were completely irrelevant in the war shows such a staggering degree of stupidity and ignorance that it's actually hard to believe you're not just trolling.
>>337325309
BF1 is already WWII
>>337316859
Burger, do you even know that colonial troops fought on the western front from fucking 1914?
>>337328359
>Hell they weren't a thing in WWII either.
They may have been few due ammo shortage but the StG 44 says WUT
>>337328562
now that you mention it
i do remember air flow close to the top of my nose the last time i wore one
>>337328506
>Theyll do a shit job and make up retarded shit.
But we already know assault rifles aren't in the game. The assault class uses SMGs, medic uses semi-auto rifles, support uses mgs/lmgs, and recon uses bolt actions. Plus tanker uses tanks and pilot uses aircraft (fighters, bombers, and possibly zeppelins).
>>337328445
They picked him as the advertising face of the game because it will sell well in America.
He is likely the only playable American character in the single player, so it makes sense to pick the American when advertising to Americans.
>>337328112
>ottomans
>not being right fucking in the Balkans powder keg
What the fuck
>>337327480
>>337328043
To add, europe was tired of war and had given up most of their earlier tactics because they didn't work.
US marines brought back frontal assaults. It was ww1 is when the marines got their repetition as being hardcore ruthless courageous mother fuckers. The whole 2/5 "retreat? Hell, we just got here" fighting spirit while the french turned tail and fled. That along with their frontal assaults gave them their nicknames.
I know revisionists try to belittle US involvement in ww1 but the marines came into a war against extremely experienced vets and were able to take ground where the allies couldn't.(for those not all that educated, USA was not part of the Allies officially in ww1)
it's true the Allies would have won ww1 on their own eventually but America's involvement sealed the deal and sped up the Allied victory by a year or more.
>implying anyone thought WW1 was fought with muskets
Dice makes up an outrageous claim of "something people think" and gets an article made about it
fucking shitty company
>>337325396
Nah, battlefield 1 will sell normally like it always does and then cod will triple their sales and we go further into the future because people are scared to take risk with going back into WW1 and WW2 or any historical war
>>337328719
>3/4 of the infantry classes use auto/semi-auto bullshit
just fuck my history up senpai
>>337325340
So are we actually going to get some of the funny colonial hijinks wars or is it all Verdun all day every day?
>>337320056
>French colonial troops
>British colonial troops
>Askari Schutztruppe
Ameriburgers, everyone.
>niggers take the spotlight again
>still no Sikhs
>>337328539
Jesus christ, anon, it'd be absolutely okay if they just called the game Harlem Hellfighters or whatever that relates to who they're portraying. If they wanna go wide like this, then putting a nigger on a cover of a WW1 game is misrepresenting history. Especially being extremely disrespectful to the real veterans, but they can't do anything about it because they''re DEAD.
>>337328671
I'll assume he worded it poorly, and meant that they didn't become a thing until late into WWII.
Still, the StG 44 was the only true assault rifle of the war.
>>337328792
Anon i see you think the human race is intelligent
but guess again, we are mere sheep and follow what a peers say without any doubt.
>>337328837 is for >>337318850-faggot.
My bad.
>>337328719
I would not be surprised in the slightest if they put "super secret experimental Assault Rifles" in a DLC pack.
>>337319851
To be fair Americans are still deeply wounded over a single terrorist attack that happened 14 years ago.
HOLD THE PHONE
what if rifles aren't even that important in this game? pistols and revolvers were extremely popular for trench raids, what if BF1 is just going to be all about the handguns?
>>337328843
Thank American SJW for this. there is only black and white to them no sikhs, turks or anything else
>>337328782
they literally killstealed two world wars
>>337328431
No actually, it does the opposite. Since the inhaled cold air is hitting the glass it removes any fog that forms from exhaling hot air. The design is actually based on an earlier complicated French gas mask design which figured out that doing that keeps fog from forming. It was called the Tissot gas mask and consequently tubes in later gas masks which run air over the glasses are known colloquially as tissot tubes.
>>337328913
Kek whole of europe makes 9 / 11 jokes
americans still cry about it every year
>>337328823
That' where the creative license comes in. The multiplayer would be an absolute borefest if it was just a bunch of shits fighting with bolt actions while the tanks move slower than you can walk and the guys in mg nests just mow down everyone.
>>337328613
Yeah, I know. It's a map pack like previous BFs did it. And every single DLC had it's own cover mind you. Representing what the DLC is about.
>>337328615
A: I never said turks are white. They're just not black or even sandskin. Which has nothing to do with their accomplishments or lack thereof.
B: Ottomans were relevant but not as much as you try to make it out to be. Besides, why are we even talking about them if the woman from the trailer is clearly Beduin?
>>337307870
>It was a time of new weapons - bolt-action rifles,
good
>automatic rifles, semi-automatic rifles
rip setting.
Confirmed for some Clapper bullshit with BARs
>>337328925
>bolt actions are just for the sniper class
>everyone is going to run around with a melee weapon and pistol or sub gun.
I expected this.
>>337328936
But DICE is a Swedish developer?
>>337328925
They've already confirmed a huge focus on melee combat, with knives, bayonets, trench clubs and other shit.
I do hope we get a big selection of pistols though, a shit ton of different pistols were used in the war.
If it's just "1911, Webley, Luger, C96, and maybe 1 French Revolver" I'll be a bit disappointed.
>>337328987
I disagree but as the general market.. fuck.
>>337328719
LMGs are the new assault rifles.
HMGs despite their name will also be handheld and will be what LMGs are in modern BFs.
I highly doubt they'd make HMGs only bipod-firable like in RO2.
>when Americans think they did anything in WW1
B-BUT PAPA RILEY JOHNSON CHADLEY SR. TOLD ME WE SAVED EUROPE!!!
You can have WW2, nobody can deny that but WW1 participation is laughable
>>337328843
kek
if burgers didnt even know that ww1 had automatic weaponry, whats the point of adding other soldiers from other nations?
>turbans?!
>these sikhs must be isis!
>>337329048
Yes that doesn't matter most of their games cater to the American audience why do u think they put an American army in every single one of their games and germans as the bad guys in every game
>>337329043
The BAR better not be in the game, I swear to god.
>>337329068
Even got a glorified American campaign, too.
>>337325340
Man i love old propaganda posters.
>>337328754
legitimately cant tell if youre joking or not. in case youre not, black faces dont sell ANYTHING. even to black people
>>337329124
Invented in the last year of the war, 1918, and technically saw some 'action'.
>>337329124
Saw use, guaranteed to be in game
>>337328782
American involvement didn't help that much in WW1. It definitely did in WW2, but just not WW1.
WW1 america had a fairly small, underdeveloped and obsolete army. Even their flamethrowers were FAR behind the tech that was available in Europe. America wasn't even that rich back then.
Much as american revisionists would love to lie about how great WW1 america was, the truth is that the only empires that were relevant in WW1 was France and Great Britain, aside from the great 4 that fell (ottomans, russians, germans, austro-hungary)
>>337328027
The OP was painting it like we jumped straight from muskets to machine guns
>>337321276
calm down faggot
>>337328883
"Misrepresenting history"? Really? That's your argument? It's a fucking cover. If they wanted to portray WW1 accurately on their cover they would have shown a white kid under the age of 20, scared out of his mind, with a crap gun in one hand and trench foot. It must be hell for you every time a WW2 film is released - the poster is never 100% accurate compared to actual events!
They're not historians, they're trying to entertain people, catch their eyes, sell a product.
If you expect historical accuracy from a Battlefield game, no matter what the devs tell you (remember, they want to sell you their shit game), you're as braindead as those dead veterans.
>>337328941
Yeah cus brits and french had any part of the pacific. America fought on every front of the ww2.
Anything post D-Day. The Americans(north americans, canadians) played the largest part in that assault. American airborne, army, and armor were in it just as much as the rest of Europe. Brits were mostly Africa but the US had armor there as well.
The russians took the biggest beating of em all though. But to say the US "killstealed" WW2 is ridiculous.
>>337329153
Americans want to think they're important, even in a war they apparently know little about.
So between a black American, a Bedouin woman, and probably some Brit or Frenchman, the American is the best pick, even if he's black.
Especially with the climate in American right now, you put him on the cover, sell it as "A proud soldier of the brave Harlem Hellfighters", most people won't have known about it, and it's already getting praise on all the shitty news sites.
>>337327626
Loads of Africans came from the colonies, man.
>>337329068
>doesn't know fuck all about history.
OK anon.
>>337329048
>>337329043
ww1 americans will be the shotgun. Fuck rifles, fuck submachine guns. Shotguns played a pivotal role in trench warfare.
>>337329068
Yeah America education is fucked all they teach is ''we did this this this and this also don't forget our bible xD''
better go pledge to the flag every morning or be suspended from school
>>337319590
>x^3=cos(0)/sqrt(16)
>implying the low-bar for American education even goes high enough to hit trig functions
>>337329068
>Americans won World War 2
Just stop.
>>337329380
>10 gauge trench shotgun
They better make it satisfying.
>>337320056
>No source
Truly legit :^)
>>337329380
>ww1 americans will be the shotgun. Fuck rifles, fuck submachine guns. Shotguns played a pivotal role in trench warfare.
Literally a guy running and gunning with a US LMG in the trailer.
Just saying.
>>337329453
I learned that shit in sophomore year
>>337329180
>>337329217
Shit, I guess you're right, the Meuse-Argonne Offensive is technically in game so I suppose that makes sense. I jumped the gun there.
>>337329296
Nobody cares about the pacific except stupid old men who refuse to buy jap cars because "remember pearl harbor"
>>337320136
>Troll School
>>337316097
That's funny, over here in Australia the First World War is famous for being a massive fucking shitfest on our part
>>337329558
Just because it was technically in the war doesn't make it a bait and switch to have it set at the very closing moments of the war after all the really important shit just to have automatic rifles.
I'd be disappointed to if its got the BAR in it.
>>337329517
well I mean like... Basilone did it right?
He did it with a browning m1917, an HMG.
:(
>>337329517
Battlefield isn't 100% historically correct never was. its a work of fiction.
>>337329379
In WW2.
>>337329517
He was using the Lewis gun, which is British.
The soldier that gets smacked by the German with the entrenching tool in the beginning of the trailer drops a shotgun, likely the M97 "Trench Gun".
>>337329674
The Lewis gun is American.
>>337329578
>most ruthless unforgiving battlefields of ANY war against an extremely fanatic entrenched well-trained experienced enemy.
o-ok anon. The men that fought the battles of the pacific would find hell relaxing.
>>337316859
>majority of Africa were German, English and French colonial holdings
>Caribbean under British control
>"lol no niggers"
>>337328893
WW1 is covered extensively in school, it has nothing to do with being intelligent
>>337324525
>X^3=1/4
...no it isn't
x = (1/4)^(1/3)
>game comes out
>all the dicksucks who ferociously defended the black soldier featuring because muh harlem hellfighters find out that he's not a harlem hellfighter in the game, just a regular soldier in a normal unit
>they all defended the Goy destroyers at EA and DICE for nothing
>>337329743
>most ruthless unforgiving battlefields of ANY war
and this is why clappers need an actual WW1 game, because it seems you're incapable of actually learning what it was like.
>>337328615
Turkroachs aren't even human lmao
>>337329785
>black soldier is a well respected major in charge of his own division.
The white generals salute him.
>>337329670
In WWI
>On the Western Front the Tirailleurs Sénégalais served with distinction at Ypres and Dixmude during the Battle of Flanders in late 1914, at the capture of Fort de Douaumont in October 1916, during the battle of Chemin des Dames in April 1917 and at the Battle of Reims in 1918. Losses were particularly heavy in Flanders (estimated from 3,200 to 4,800)[7] and Chemin des Mains (7,000 out of 15,500 tirailleurs engaged).
>>337319205
Americans maybe. The entire East African campaign was fought by combined black, white and muslim forces
>>337329834
recommending everyone to read all quiet on the western front desu
>>337329785
Joke's on you I don't even play video games I just bitch about getting triggered by them on south korean internet cafe blackboards
>>337329767
>He had a teacher that didn't demand answers to X decimal points
>>337329948
or for the adhd americans to watch the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbw1pGUhG7Q
Least we still have regular tanks?
>>337329658
Why not just go for steampunk then?
They could add an entire battalion of Niggers of Death this way.
>>337329731
>The Lewis gun (or Lewis automatic machine gun or Lewis automatic rifle) is a World War I-era light machine gun of US design that was adopted and mass-produced in the United Kingdom,[1] and widely used by British and British Empire troops during World War I
>adopted and mass-produced in the United Kingdom
>widely used by British and British Empire troops during World War I
The Americans never adopted it in the war. They actively TOOK IT AWAY from American Marines that were arriving in France, preferring to use the poorly rechambered French Chauchaut until they officially adopted the BAR.
So though it was designed in the US, it was never used by them.
>>337330084
>Implying DICE cares
>Implying it won't be some snowflake unit
>>337322963
if you care about history don't play battlefield.
most important is the gameplay and it will suck.
but hopefully not as much as bf4 or hardline.
>>337329948
Why don't we just talk to some actual ww1 veterans? Oh that's right we can't because your WHITE PRIVILEGE KILLED THEM ALL!
>>337330039
you had a teacher that didn't demand exact answers?
>>337329658
Which is why this expansion was fucking awesome.
>>337328987
>"Let's make a WW1 game. That'll be a real change of pace"
>"Sounds nice, but didn't basically everyone fight with bolt action rifles? You need to actually aim those things! That takes actual fucking skill!"
>"Oh shit. Well, in that case, we'll just reskin our recent game and just add horses."
>"Brilliant."
>>337329834
seriously anon. The pacific islands were either jungles that rained 24/7 where marines had to sleep in the muddy graves of their fallin soldiers or desolate wastelands and razor sharp rocky terrain burnt by firebombs with absolutely no fucking water for days. The terrain itself was trying to kill you. Then you had to deal with an enemy that would suicide bomb your fucking ass by the thousands using weapons that make ww1 look like firecrackers.
The trenches and gases of ww1 were terrifying but the casualties of ww1 pale in comparison of ww2. 23 million fucking soldiers died in ww2. More than twice of "the war to end all wars".
You should read a book every now and then.
>>337329453
The "slow track" math class in my high school was Geometry, Algebra II, Trigonometry. Pre-calculus, though there might have been a slower track starting with algrebra I. Obviously this isn't representative of all American high schools (I was in one of the best public systems) but it should give you a rough idea. Fast track was Trig, Precalc, Calculus BC, and then some other math class like Statistics.
>>337329394
The bible and religious studies were their own class, and it was an "all religions/philosophy" class that basically expanded on what was taught in World History I by actually going over the tennets of each religion instead of just their historical significance. This was an optional class I never took, but the class size was fairly small and not without controversy from both the religiously averse ("why are you indoctrinating my children with religion!?") and the bible thumper club ("why are you indoctrinating my children with the WRONG religion!?"). Science classes had an eye rolling (on the teacher's part, I'm pretty sure they all thought this was bullshit) religious warning and allowance to opt out of evolution education. This was during the recent height of the evolution controversy during the Bush presidency, I'm sure they no longer give out that disclaimer.
High school history progression was World I, World II, American History, American Government. The last two had AP versions, and there were electives for European history and maybe an elective AP version of world history. Overall it's American biased but I believe it's a good mix of world events mixed in there. Again, this is one of the better public schools and not representative of the entire country (since it's so damn huge and education is often left to the states and local government) but it should give you a rough idea of how American education actually is instead of this bizarre caricature the rest of the world has created.
>>337329557
And I learned it in Freshman/Sophomore year as well, but I did say "low bar."
Do you have any idea how populated basic Algebra classes are in college (and how hard people fail them)?
>>337329870
>"For the WWI, this was our FIRST BATTLEFIELD"
>French and British generals salute the black guy and give him his token white girl
>credits roll with hip hop
>>337330225
>slow track
>Algebra II
>Pre-cal
Damn.
>>337330141
Anyone can work the problem down that far, actually working out the numerical value is where most of my teachers would go to.
>>337330119
>implying dice won't just make all the guns available to all factions
>implying all the vehicles won't be exact mirrors of each other, thus making all the factions identical outside of accents
full autism thread.
it is a fucking game.
>>337330429
Welcome to /v/
>>337330208
Also, antibiotics were not discovered until well after ww1. They would have saved millions of lives from infection in the trenches.
>>337321890
>lever action rifles
You meant bolt action.
R-right?..
>>337330317
No, that's wrong, you would have to roumd the number, you'll never get an exact answer that way
>>337330207
>>"Oh shit. Well, in that case, we'll just reskin our recent game and just add horses."
Horses are literally dirtbikes. I'm calling it now.
>>337322963
>tfw there will be videos of people doing le epic call of duty tier montages over a fucking WW1 game
Oh man. I never thought of it that way.
>>337330595
He said common misconception, so obviously it was going to be wrong. The point is that it was "less wrong" than fucking muskets.
Though the revolver part is actually correct, semi-automatic handguns didn't fully replace revolvers in all armies until WWII, and even then there were some holdouts.
>>337330641
No shit, but there is value in working out a more direct answer than the numeric abstract. You're learning mechanics, not just learning how to get answers.
>>337330727
Those holdouts were surprisingly some of the largest combatants of the war, namely the UK and the Soviet Union. They would supplement them with automatics, but didn't outright stop using them.
>>337330865
There is no value whatsoever in knowing a relatable roundoff unless we are using that quantity for something. It's a waste of time at best.
I'm just happy they're making bolt action games again. Modern warfare in "action" shooters is really fucking uninteresting to me with the full assault spraytown crap, and only a handful of games like ArmA attempts a more realistic take on modern gunplay.
With bolt action, they're at least limited to a slow, high damage, high accuracy style gunplay, even if it'll be extremely exaggerated.
>>337330973
Again, you are teaching students mechanics. In a math class, you arent using these numbers for anything no matter how exact or inexact they are. It's more intensive to work out the numerical value and therefore better for testing their knowledge
>>337323608
>The Japs could've steamrolled through the east and destroyed all hope for the commies.
'cept USSR handed their asses for them with new assholes ripped back in 1939. And in 1938 (albeit with worse kill/death ratio).
>>337320298
It's not though, remember after WWI there was also the 1918 influenza pandemic which killed more than the entirety of WWI.
>>337329068
>you can have ww2
>helped liberate a bunch of villages from old men and children while the real German soldiers fought the Russians on the eastern front
>curbstomped the japs in the pacific alongside ANZAC and the bongs with little to no real resistance (didn't participate in the biggest battles of the theatre)
>entered the war when it was already decided
I recognize that American logistical support and the Lend Lease agreement was very important, especially for the Soviets, but the USA was by no means the main player on the allied side of WW2.
>>337331281
>(didn't participate in the biggest battles of the theatre)
I mostly agree with your post but are you sure about that part?
>>337331037
Yeah, except that won't be the case here.
Probably the most played class will be Assault, who have SMG's. The other classes have semi-auto rifles, LMG's, with only the sniper class, scout, having bolt actions.
I'm very interested to see what shit they pull out of their ass for the semi autos.
If I had to guess, we'll see for sure the RSC Model 1917/1918, as it was easily THE most produced semi-auto of the war.
Other than that, maybe the Farquhar-Hill for the Brits? For the Germans I'm hardpressed, but maybe the Mauser M1916, or Mondragon 1907?
>>337331134
What? No it isn't. Your students will either pick up their calculator and plug their answer in (waste of time) or, without a calculator, they will sit there and slowly put together the proper answer (huge waste of time, often not viable). It may be "more intensive," but said "intensity" is, more often than not, going to be entirely irrelevant to the material they're learning. If you asked me to give the exact answer for arccos(1/2), I could do that almost instantly - because it's important to know. If you asked me to give an approximation for arccos(1/2) to any more than a single decimal place, I would tell you to fuck off.
>>337331134
(Worth noting, if you're attempting to graph a function - say, y = sqrt(2 - x^2), then it's definitely worthwhile to round that sqrt(2) to a 1.4, so you can graph the semicircle accurately - that's what I mean by "using" your numbers, even in abstract mathematics.)
>>337331524
No americans in engagements such as the Burma Campaign, it's been a while since I studied the Pacific but I'm pretty sure that Burma had the absolute biggest engagements of the entire theatre, with British and British Colonial troops exceeding a million.
>>337331734
Weren't Midway and Iwo Jima the biggest engagements of Pacific though? And then there's Guadalcanal
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