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He has to be the single most underrated character in this whole game. A competent Roadhog is basically deadlier than almost any other hero in this game.
I don't understand /v/, why dont you main the Street Swine?
Because I main his hard counter.
>>337269525
this one is just an assassin in fat tank's disguise
I'd rather play Winston or Zarya if the team needed tank and play this fat guy if I want to get kills in route 66
Cause he's not waify material, duh. Don't you know anything, OP?
>>337269525
Because I only play honest characters. That hook isn't fair in any way.
Since Blizzard made a shooter where positioning is important, any hero that can force enemies out of a good position is pretty fuckin' powerful.
I fuckin' love Roadhog.
This the new balance thread?
>>337269525
I do main him anon.
>>337269691
FEEL THE BERN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD
>>337269525
I DO main him, junkrat is a close 2nd. I mostly main him because he counters the heroes that most people have trouble with. Tracer, Mei, and Bastion. nothing is more satisfying than hooking a Tracer who's trying to unload a clip and sneak away, a Mei who's standing around trying to line up a headshot on my frozen teammate, or a Bastion camping in a corner somewhere. I also just like the whole scrappy australian outback vibe
>>337269691
I only got to play the open beta for a few hours, so if you dont' mind me asking.
How exactly are you supposed to play this character?
>>337270120
stay with ur mates and shoot balls at baddies
>>337269525
>>337269691
>not maining both
>>337269525
Because he hands out the most amount of ult charge in the game just by being shot at.
>>337269906
half of these are unnecessary and half are just shit
except that mei thing, you really shouldnt count as a living enemy when youre invincible like during mercys revive animation or that
the timer for koth also shouldnt tick up when the point is contested
>>337270325
>half of these are unnecessary and half are just shit
Feel free to be more vague.
>>337270325
>the timer for koth also shouldnt tick up when the point is contested
lmao the game would never end
>>337270120
Tag someone wtoh heal orb
Tag high value enemies with weaken orb
Snipe at people with basic attack
Run away from danger because you are squishy
Use ult to make pushes with invuln or heal allies for large amounts
He basically depends on having a competent team that can protect him, otherwise he's the healer that can lend good fire support
Mercy is good for single target healing/damage boost
Lucio is good for aoe heal and point rushes, especially payload because his speed song boosts the payloads speed too
Symmetra is good for defence and general team support
And Zenyatta is an aggressive squishy support, a glass cannon. He does a lot of dmg fast, and his attacks are accurate, but he is very squishy. While his basic heal is the lowest, he can tag allies/enemies with his orbs and then fuck off.
>>337270120
stay near your teammates and pass healing orbs to them. throw discord orbs at people targeting you or at tanky characters with lots of health. Zenyatta's regular attack does a lot of damage if you're hitting someone you discorb'd. You can shoot 20 times before having to 'reload'. When you use the discord orb on someone, you can see where they are through walls, so you can charge your alternate attack, then peek the corner and fire at them for massive damage
>>337269691
>his hard counter
What?
>>337270512
>his speed song boosts the payloads speed too
WHAT
>>337269525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DiMJ-s4T16M
The hardest character to play in any vidja gayme.
>>337270652
Discord makes tanky heroes paper.
>>337269906
>Bastion
>Decrease turret damage by at least 10%
>Increase time from turret mode to mobile mode by 30-50%
>Reduce self-heal rate by at least 15%
>Lower splash damage of ult, shot needs to be next to or direct hit for one-shot-kill
>Lower health by 20 points
>>337270120
Walk anywhere then get one shot by Widow bodyshots
:^)
I pretty much always pick him on Volstaya industries defense, he's so ridiculously good at defending the last point. I consistently go >5 KDA with him because you can completely shut down most entry methods, go around a corner and heal back up.
>>337270703
You didn't know? I tested it, even when I was solo moving the payload. Speed song makes the payload move a good bit faster. It's the equivilant of adding an extra person almost
>>337270751
>make one of the shittiest characters even weaker
how about no.
>>337270823
I knew I wasnt crazy when I saw it move faster.
>>337270798
I think he's better on the attacking team because he can hook camping snipers/bastions out of their spots
>>337270751
Wow lad no.
>>337270869
Bastion is okay but he's super overrated. I fogrt dwarf turret man's name but he's way better than bastion.
>>337270919
I usually prefer a tank like Winston Zarya or Reinhardt on offense so I can protect my team, but on Volstaya defense I just hook tracers all day long
>>337270751
bastion is already weak if you know what you're doing. only shitters think he's OP.
[spoiler/at most, if they have to nerf him they should make it so he can't spin around 360 degrees. make it so he can only look in the general direction he placed himself in when he transformed[/spoiler]
>>337269525
>why dont you main the Street Swine?
I'm really bad at playing tank characters in general. I wish I knew how to Reinhardt.
>le hipster thread
road hog isnt underrated u fags
>>337270325
Mei is all about being a dick desu.
I really enjoyed doing that, even more so understanding that's bullshit.
>>337271108
>[spoiler/at most, if they have to nerf him they should make it so he can't spin around 360 degrees. make it so he can only look in the general direction he placed himself in when he transformed[/spoiler]
They did that and gave him a shield, so his back was completely exposed.
People still cried about it
>>337271136
Mei is all about taking that dick
T H I C K
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>>337271129
>road hog isnt underrated
yes he is. when most people play a tank, they pick reinhardt or d.va
>>337269906
Maybe I just suck at playing Mcree, but I don't think removing the AoE on flashbang is a good idea. It's hard enough to score a direct hit with the fucking things as it is, and the stun duration is practically nonexistent anyway.
>>337269850
kek
>>337269906
>>337269906
Only agree with the zenyatta change. Mcree one seems cool.
The others are in a good spot already imo. Some of the WM and junkrat changes isn't a problem if you actually pay attention since she calls it out and rat explode everytime. I love soldier but i don't think he needs a buff, he's versatile as fuck and fits almost any comp.
>>337270823
Wait, is this why I occasionally saw 6 on the affected teammates counter?
>>337271285
Yeah you do suck.
McCree is a beast right now
>>337269987
Good taste in heros anon!
>>337271334
The problem with Rat's is it rewards the playing for playing poorly and dying, and requires no sort of skill or resource. It's just there as a free gift to the player.
The soldier one is actually a nerf, I worded it weirdly. I mean it takes him slightly longer to reload.
>>337270751
I'd be fine if they did that, but I think if they did, they should at least give him his frontal shield back when in turret form. He'd still be good at holding down chokepoints since it would be hard to take him out once he's fortified. Personally I think the main reason why people hate Bastion is because of his ridiculous damage output, not because he's hard to kill.
>>337271252
hes not popular because hes dog shit against most characters
more like rightly rated u cunt
Reinhardt and Roadhog a best
>>337269906
all changes except mei are shit
git gud
>Playing as Reinhardt
>Have shield up so we can push the obj, slowly moving forward
>Mercy healing me while I take no damage
>Teamates either aren't there or are in FRONT of my shield
>End up switching because playing him with a shit team is pointless.
the only reason i'm not maining zarya is because she doesn't have a good skin that gets rid of her fucking pink hair
>>337270512
>Lucio is good for aoe heal and point rushes, especially payload because his speed song boosts the payloads speed too
How did I never know this? I love playing le black skate man.
>>337271245
Top tier taste friend
>>337271252
Because Reinhardt is the only character that's actually a dedicated tank.
Those roles are absolute bullshit and mean nothing.
>>337271689
>Caring about skins
>In a first person game
You can't even see it.
>>337269525
because I don't play this shit game.
>>337271512
Should rephrase it to reload time, not speed.
>>337271285
Yes. You suck.
Flashbang is a no brainer kill.
>>337271374
I'm decent just shooting people, but I almost never bother with the flashbang because it hardly ever fucking works and I end up getting killed 8/10 times I try to use it. Either I misjudge the AoE radius and fuck it up and get shot, or I hit with it, and the stun lasts for less than a half a second and I still get shot. It's easier just to fucking shoot them.
>McCree is a beast right now
Meh. I rarely have trouble against people playing him. It's Genjifags I have a problem with. One of the last games I played we were attacking and had 3 fucking Genjis and no one would switch because they all claimed to main him even though they were all under level 10. Another time I ended up defending against an entire team of the faggots. Every 20 seconds there'd be Japanese shouting and and some little bastard darting around slicing people.
>>337271689
>What are the winterskins
She does need one that gives her better hair though.
>>337270869
>>337270956
>>337271108
A singular bastion is garbage. A reinhardt shielding for him with a widowmaker covering the corner peekers is a total pain in the ass on certain chokes. Tracer ultimate wrecks it though if you're able to get close.
>>337269906
>slow down junkrat's grenades
So no one ever lands a direct hit ever again?
Why did you make a thread about road hog but post mei?
>>337270404
nerfing torbs turret is unnecessary since its shit without ult or without someone else occupying your attention in which case its serving its purpose correctly
slowing down junkrats bombs is incredibly dumb since it doesnt solve spam at all and only serves to fuck with people that have already learned the arc for the three days itll take them to correct their muscle memory, their range is entirely dependent on how long they can bounce and making them arc harder wont help curb blind corner spam as it helps they occupy "blind hit" airspace for a longer amount of time
mercys ult doesnt need to be nerfed
giving bastion falloff doesnt solve his inherent design issues in that recon form is fucking worthless and youre only ever useful when immobile when immobile teammates are a gigantic drag on team synergy
zens discord ganks dont need to be any freer
dva is redundant no matter how you buff her because her niche is filled far better by other characters, buffing her to be better than them is the only way to make her worthwhile which is stupid
soldier 76s accuracy is the root of the problems he causes, not his reload speed
increasing the range on mccrees stun is INCREDIBLY stupid no matter how you change the hitbox
et fucking cetera
youre neither identifying their issues correctly nor attempting to address them properly, youre just fucking with stats on a vague "feel"youll be working for blizzard within the year, congratulations
>>337271785
Ayylmao
>>337271894
There are always multiple ways in around. If people are funneling into a single bastion they are garbage.
A reinhardt wasting time protecting a bastion is a wasted hero slot.
the map design in this game is atrocious
the only reason bastion and hanzo are even a problem is because every map has a damn mandatory hallway
>>337270913
>>337271373
>>337270823
>>337270703
How fast can a team of 6 Lucios speeding around the payload make it go?
>>337271686
>playing him with a shit team is pointless.
>not becoming a melee reinhardt, pinning faggots to walls and beating the shit outta them and being a bigger target than your teammates
>>337271852
>meh
instantly discarded
>>337272061
I imagine it wouldn't stack.
>>337269850
>That hook isn't fair in any way.
As opposed to fucking Tracer with her timewarp bullshit and Hanzo and his "Ryu ga waga teki go fuck yourself" arrows?
The hook is obvious, anon. Unless you're Reinhardt or Zenyatta, turn the fuck around.
>>337272061
I'm assuminghopingit doesn't stack, or there's a limit
What a time to be alive.
>>337269906
I'd say increase Junkrat's reload speed as well. Right now he rewards blind spamming areas more than most characters are, due to his high damage and splash damage in general.
As for Dva, personally I'd like to see it that she has some kind of alt fire in general. Simply because as far as characters go, she feels a bit too simple.
I'd say that Hanzo also needs some kind of nerf on his ult, though don't know what persay. Being able to pierce through walls and the huge AOE is good enough without ALSO doing so much damage. Maybe reduce the damage, or duration?
Also, haven't played much against Genjis, but having something to make it a little more obvious when hes using the deflection skill would be nice. But that might just be my inexperience with dealing with him.
>>337271894
A good Tracer can fuck the shit out of a Bastion. Last time I played Bastion, I was dug in and completely fucking the rest of the team, but every couple minutes this same Tracer would pop in, stick me, and manage to get out before anyone could touch her. We still won because the rest of her team was garbage.
>>337269906
>nerfing junk rat this hard
Good thing you aren't in charge of balance.
>>337271935
As opposed to brainless landing all of them.
>>337272180
>Forbes
Why is Forbes writing about this?
>>337272060
I can't really disagree. I have loads of fun in the game but the maps could need work. I'm not even that good at shooters but when I pick Hanzo I get loads of free kills just shooting out of chokepoints or down hallways. I mean, I try to aim but it still feels like I'm being handed the kills.
>>337272180
it's Axe all over again
>>337271852
If you use the flashbang well in conjunction with his other skill, you will one shot pretty much anyone in a 1v1.
>>337272281
Why aren't you writing about Forbes?
>>337271894
If that's a team working together it's perfectly fine for them to be hard to take out.
>>337272146
Oh fuck off.
>>337272165
>Hanzo and his "Ryu ga waga teki go fuck yourself" arrows?
Hanzo's Ult isn't that hard to dodge unless you're in a chokepoint.
>>337272281
literally said that to myself out loud the second before I saw this post
>>337270652
This >>337270741
Discord makes all enemies take 50% more damage, which (technically) means a Pudge with Discord on him has effectively 300 HP.
Additionally, Zenyatta's attacks do not have spread or recoil or falloff damage. Whether he is up close or at max range, he will always hit for 46 damage (92 on headshots).
Pudge, on the other hand, has both damage falloff, spread, and a very short range with his weapon. Though he has a large health pool, we've already said his health will be significantly reduce to about twice that of Zenyatta's.
For comparison:
>Range
Zenyatta > Pudge
>Damage (overall)
Zenyatta > Pudge (though Pudge does more close range damage)
>Damage Falloff
Zenyatta (None) > Pudge (Significantly more falloff at mid & far range)
>Mobility
Zenyatta = Pudge
>Health
Zenyatta < Pudge
>>337272314Axe?
>>337272281
hard to believe isnt it? forbes only cared about business and appearance. now they let fucking anyone write for them. its like fucking ted talks, they just dont mean anything anymore
>>337272525
>hurr durr i play dota xD look at me
yeah fuck off retard
>>337272569
>hurr durr i dont play dota xD look at me
yeah fuck off retard
>>337272082
Usually because I'm the only person on my team on the objective.
I remember one game I was playing widow and I only stopped the payload at one point. I had less than 10 seconds obj time and I had the gold medal on my team for it. People just kill and ignore the objectives. Hell I can't even count on my hands how many times we were in overtime and my team just chases an enemy out of the point and loses.
>>337272569
Dota character
>>337272060
It's because of the stupid objectives. The maps also seem very linear. Like skyrim caves.
>>337269906
I love Winston
I think the only thing his ult needs to be improved on is when its active the camera goes into Third Person.
First person is just way too confusing.
>>337272648
>>hurr durr i play dota xD look at me
>yeah fuck off retard
What? I've never played an ASSFAGGOT in my life. This is common knowledge for anyone who has played an FPS like TF2. Watch a damage video on the Scout's scattergun for more information.
>>337272180
>run into a Turret
>said Turret destroys you
Do they WANT to act stupid?
>>337272346
So dodge roll in, flashbang and headshot?
>>337272512
I'm not calling for a nerf or anything, but even people who agree with this comic must admit that sometimes the chaingun can be pretty bullshit. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed just trying to corner peek. It's even more bullshit than Widowmaker's shot speed.
>>337272005
i kekked
>>337272406
> Hanzo's Ult isn't that hard to dodge unless you're in a chokepoint
You mean.
> unless Hanzo is smarter than a vegetable
>>337272796
>ASSFAGGOT
look at you tough guy, arent you grown up
>>337272165
>Ryu ga waga teki go fuck yourself
I'm using this in chat someday
>>337272827
Honestly if you just flashbang, spam your gun till it empties, you're basically gonna kill someone without even aiming if I recall right. Rolling to close the gap if you're far away can help also.
>>337269906
This entire list minus the Zenyatta change is pretty stupid.
>>337272931
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXlbdaJC-nQ
>>337272931
Says the kid that got defensive that no one plays DOTA
>>337272005
DELETE THIS!
>>337273065
>no u lol
You need to be 18 to pots here.
>>337272406
Hanzo's ult is only easy to dodge if you see it coming and far enough away that you can get out of its huge as fuck AOE. But considering the whole point of the skill is to go through fucking walls/floors you shouldn't be given that much forewarning.
>>337271852
You need to get good with his Flashbang. McCree has two skills: Left Click from across the entire fucking map or Flashbang followed by Fan>Roll>Fan. If you know how to use it properly you should get a kill every time, it's almost broken in its strength for killing divers.
Saying that it's not good because you fuck up with it all the time is pretty stupid.
>>337272512
*flies above you*
"nothing personnel kid"
>>337273154
Oh d*mn! Ya got me xD!
>>337273171
The thing that pisses me the most is that it can enter spawn points. You won't see or hear it coming after respawning and can just immediately get eaten.
>>337273348
Never fucking reply to me unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>337271852
Flashbang has a max range and a pretty hefty AOE. You can back up about 7-10 meters, throw it above a Reinhardt's shield, then fan his head and kill him. This applies to essentially any tank that gets anywhere near McCree, they all lose hard unless Roadhog manages to hook him first, or D.Va just uses her E to run away.
This plus him having good mid to long range damage (35 even after damage fall off) means he is pretty much the best at close range, and one of the best at mid and long range. Even against a Genji E he can just throw a flashbang at the ground near him and still kill him.
>>337273502
Or what faggot?
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>>337269906
Literally only nerfing heroes that blasted your anus you shitty waste of skin
>>337272525
I think you mean 450HP, anon.
Roadhog has 600HP, a 100% damage increase is double damage, bringing him down to 300HP.
>>337272807
The problem isn't bastion.
The problem is the fucking horrid level design that forces you to run into bastion on 95% of the maps.
>>337273732
The only hero admittedly that blasts my ass is McCree.
>>337273291
>JUSTIC- UGH
Is there a bigger salt factory than Mei? I got so many hate messages over this beta, it's great.
>have enough friends to play TF2/Overwatch/Dirtybomb/ET/BF4 etc
>they all somewhat competent in games like Assfaggots
>absolutely retarded in any team-based shooter
>run and gun like it's CoD
>absolutely ZERO teamplay
What is it with shooters and people not cooperating? I've seen better teamplay in fucking hide'n'seek in kindergarden.
>>337272924
>>337273171
Maybe I just play against shitty Hanzo's then. I've only been caught in the dragon thing like 3 times and once was when the whole team was rushing an archway at Li Jiang Tower and there was literally no place to move out of the way. Most of the other times, unless you're in a tight space, it's pretty easy to dodge because the yelling tips you off beforehand.
>>337273206
>Flashbang followed by Fan>Roll>Fan.
>>337273595
>Flashbang has a max range and a pretty hefty AOE.
I guess I need to practice more. It just seems like I almost never catch anybody in the AoE and on the off chance I do, the duration of the stun is so short the guy is back to firing on me, and usually tearing me apart because I'm so close, right after I pull my gun back out.
>>337269906
Scrub detected
>>337273883
There you fucking go. someone was actually smart enough to point the flaw.
Why do devs make maps that are claustrophobic as fuck and makes you vulnerable in some cases?
>>337269906
>Mei can't contest/capture points while in her frozen shell
Why the fuck would you think this is a good idea? She's one of the few characters who can easily contest a point because she can protect herself from overwhelming amounts of fire coming at her. Why would you take this away from her?
That's part of her role. She's good for defensive play, and therefore good at protecting the objective. Making it so she can't do that if she also wants to actually do anything is fucking stupid.
>>337273940
literally just the overwatch pyro
>>337273940
I've only played against one really good Mei who got me salty as fuck and she was a level 47 playing against my team who were all < 15.
This video is pretty fucking funny though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Mp5gE0HSw
>>337273783
Yes.
>>337273940
I don't think there's a less fun hero to play against, no. Every skill she has save her right click is just pure anti-fun.
That doesn't mean she's overpowered, hell she's probably kinda underpowered, I hope they rework her to be both more fun and better. I already just hate seeing her on either team though.
>>337274070
Hefty was probably an overstatement. It's probably like a 4-5 meter diameter on the explosion range, essentially you need to get it RIGHT above Reinhardt's shield for it to affect him, and it won't affect shorter character's near him. It's a huge skill throw and I respect McCrees who can do it, but it's maybe a bit overpowered - him, Widowmaker, and Tracer are in a weird state of balance where their power is supposed to be tempered by player skill, but if you're really, really good at aiming they're just flat better than most other characters in a similar role. Widowmaker less than the other two, especially since Hanzo is pretty much all she has to compete with.
>>337274207
>Actually defending it
wow lad
>>337274250
3:40 gets me every time, that banshee wail jesus christ
>>337273883
>>337274162
It's not though. There is only one point I can think of. There is always at least one other way around if not more. The problem is people don't use them/realize them or whatever, they just continuously run straight down the middle over and over.
>>337274065
>What is it with shooters and people not cooperating? I've seen better teamplay in fucking hide'n'seek in kindergarden.
I don't know about the other games, but with Overwatch it seems like most people don't communicate enough. I can remember all the games I played where people actually used voice chat, and every time but one it was basically just somebody saying "X is on the point". The other one time it was a nigger who was super salty about the other team having 3 Widowmakers.
>>337269906
widowmakers are much needed changes
disagree about winston
mccree just needs his ult reworked and alt fire dps decreased
mercy doesn't need buffs
junkrat is fine
soldier is fine
d.va needs to do more damage
zenyatta just needs a bit more hp
lucio doesn't need a nerf
bastion is fine the way he is
tor is fine too
mei is fine
>>337269525
Wait, Pudge is in Overwatch? I guess I gotta try it now...
>>337274529
>Gibraltar
>other way around
>Hanumura
>other way around
>Hollywood
>other way around
>Kings Row
>other way around
Almost every map comes down to an absurd chokepoint and its hilariously awful balance. Throw a shield man and German milf on that Bastion too and it's almost impossible to break through.
>>337271758
they all have high health and are capable of pushing the team forward slowly while drawing most of the fire in order to keep other teammates alive. They're all tanks, they just have different ways of going about it
>>337274070
Yeah I think its more either bad players, or just you got super lucky. I've been hit by that ult a dozen times just by happenstance of being nearby and the damn thing clipped through a wall and killed me. If you don't see it coming, and you shouldn't, it can wipe the whole fucking team.
>>337274854
hanumura and hollywood are the only maps with big chokepoint issues
>>337274854
Point B on Hanamura fucking sucks for flank routes. One Bastion is usually enough to hold it, but people are starting to figure out that if you take two, and put one in each corner near the spawn room it's pretty much impossible to get by.
>>337274586
THICC
>>337274070
Even with a short stun, if you FAN you obliterated the person you're up against. This is especially true with the lower HP chars who won't even get a second to act before they're dead.
>>337272648
>ted talks don't mean anything anymore
I'm not sure what you mean exactly aside from very few talks but if you are referring to TedX it's, somehow, not affiliated with TED and let's just about anyone have a talk about anything, even ASTROLOGY and fucking Anita.
>>337275193
>Even with a short stun, if you FAN you obliterated the person you're up against.
I'm just shitty at video games. I don't even know why I enjoy them so much. Sometimes I'll fan from way up close and maybe hit once before I get torn to shreds.
>>337275351
Might be just that hes not a good fit for you then. Or you can just practice more with him and eventually you'll get there.
That said, Overwatch is pretty casual in general, so it dun matter too much how good/bad you do in the long run.
>>337274792
>Crying about McCree ult
lel
>D.Va needs more damage
kek
>>337275530
I don't know. I've had some pretty decent runs and Gold Medals with him. Seems like I hit a cold streak after I hit level 10 and the matchmaking started getting more and more disparate.
>>337272213
That was probably me. I started playing Tracer just because Bastion gets fucked by her, but I'd still usually lose because the community is ass. Four fucking Widowmakers on Attack? Are you shitting me?
>>337269906
>Junkrat death-bomb removed
salt detected
>>337274854
There is you're just too stupid to take a few steps over to find the path.
Hanumura, on point A I assume you mean the chokepoint is the double doors? Well go to the right and there is a room with stairs that take you over and back down to the little room on the other side of the doors, where most bastions camp. There you go easy bastion kill.
Then on point B the front door I assume? Well you can go in the front straight, or to the right. Or you can take stairs on the right side to get to the top from the courtyard area. There's also many ways if you have a even slightly mobile hero like the left balcony that takes you to the point directly or to the upper walkway.
>>337274492
I like 1:15. Dat laughter.
>>337269906
It's posts like this that remind me that /v/ doesn't know what they're talking about half the time and often sucks at what they play. Thanks for that.
>>337275567
mccrees ult is literally push button to get kills at any range, it's very badly designed
d.va is just really bad all round, she can't dish out damage and can't tank all she is good for is her ult.
>>337275789
why do people keep drawing his left leg as the peg leg? its his right leg. I've seen so many artists get it wrong
>>337270120
stay close to the front lines but not too close
check the enemy team roster, if they have a genji/tracer/reaper watch your ass
make sure discord is bound to something like mouse4 and make sure that shit gets on what it needs to
drop your bad heal on people I guess who gives a shit
and then
FUCK PEOPLE UP. His LMB does massive headshot damage on a discorded enemy. You will melt Roadhogs in no time and if you can aim you can also deter just about anything from attacking you. RMB charge up is good if you know someone's coming around a corner.
He's best to play on defense if you have a torb/symmetra for extra hp. If you don't have that and they have a sniper, you might as well switch off because even the shittiest sniper - I'm talking playing on PC with a ps4 controller shit - will bodyshot you over and over and delete you from the match.
>>337275785
Are you Chaniga or Chainga or something? If so, damn you're a fucking excellent Tracer. Most other Tracers I've played against aren't that great, but that motherfucker must have killed me like 8 times.
Simple ways to fix Mei
1). She can cast ice tomb on other teammates, massively healing them but NOT giving them invincibility
2). Instead of ice flamethrower into freeze, lets just make her ice flamethrower slow people down.
3). her ulti is a single target ability that does nothing to the target but causes all allies in a close radius to turn and shoot their teammate, lasts a few seconds.
>>337274854
You do realize thats why theres high mobility characters, right? There are often paths you can take going out of bounds on the map to get around certain areas and catch people unaware from behind.
I wish there was a way to filter out teams that are playing with their friends.
>>337276108
there are points on some maps where there are no alternate routes
>>337275970
Except McCree has to either wait while walking VERY slowly as his ult locks on to people - the more HP they have the longer it takes - or he has to cancel it and lose 50% of his charge.
Fucking hide behind something you whiny bitch.
>>337275970
Dva's damage is pretty good, and her shield can negate any attack thrown at it for its duration. However, shes not to be played like a tank typically. Shes meant to get in the back line and kill squishies. Her damage only sucks if you think her guns are anything but shotguns and try to fight at range.
>>337276075
Also if you're in a fight and the enemy doesn't notice you, you can hold RMB charge up your orbs and launch a barrage of them at once. If you can learn the timing and accuracy of it, it's fucking beastly.
>>337276086
>3). her ulti is a single target ability that does nothing to the target but causes all allies in a close radius to turn and shoot their teammate, lasts a few seconds.
This makes no fucking sense at all.
>This person is really cold! Shoot them!
Not to mention it's literally stronger than her current ult.
>>337269691
This has got to be bait. I play both heroes a lot and there isn't a more one-sided fight than Roadhog fisting Zen. You're slow as fuck and one hook means you're dead.
>>337276086
>turn her into winter wyvern
because blizzard isnt under enough scrutiny for unique characters
>>337269525
>huge health
>huge damage
>ranged stun
>can self heal
Nobody says hog is bad.
Who has the worst skins in the game, and why is it Widowmaker?
>>337276231
Thats why I specified high mobility chars. There are a lot more options than you might think.
>>337276254
lol what, his alt locks on to his first target almost instantly and lack of mobility isn't really an issue since you won't be using it out of enemies sight.
>>337273291
>A flying Pharah doing shit to a Bastion
>>337272304
>>337272060
The biggest reason why kills are easy in Overwatch anyways is the glowing red outline on enemies that you can see from miles away.
Everyone has it and only retards would turn it off.
Casualized FPS.
>>337269525
>He has to be the single most underrated character in this whole game
>UNDERATED
The fuck he is. I Don't think I've ever played a game with no Roadhog.
You know who is underrated?
Symmetra.
FUCKING Symmetra is a machine.
>6 sentries at a time
>2 sentries alone can kill someone in like 2 or 3 seconds
>her gun can fuck up tanks quickly, destroys everyone else even moreso
I regret not using her more in the beta. I only used her in the last few hours. When people see how good she is, they are going to nerf her to hell.
Went 21-3 on my like 5th time ever using her.
>>337275891
cool argument
>>337276490
His ult locks onto people as fast as their HP pool allows, and while he's locking on he literally
IS NOT
GOING
ANYWHERE
Kill him quick or fucking hide
>>337272206
>Right now he rewards blind spamming areas
Its a grenade launcher, you are not supposed to use it like a rifle and go for direct hits.
>>337276620
Kills are easy cause everyone is made of tissue paper and pretty much every damage ult will kill everyone even at full health. The outlines are the least of the issue.
>>337269906
Some of those things like the bastion nerf are shit, but the Mei one absolutely needs to be changed. There is literally no way to counter it. You can't even shove her fat ass out of the capture point for god's sake.
#1 waifu
theres not enough porn of him desu
>>337269906
Only a few stuff needs to be nerfed like make Bastion have to commit more when going into sentry mode (longer animations in and out, wind up before shooting) and Mei not having 50 extra health for no reason when she can already put up defensive walls and heal herself fully whenever she want.
I LIKE that every single character in the game is OP (in theory), if anything they should buff a few of them. It's more exciting when you know the dangers and play around them.
>>337276762
While true, you're also not suppose to just park your ass in one spot shooting over walls blindly racking up kills.
>>337276635
>>337276635
>>337276635
Also that video of Torb winning while dead, I did something similiar while using Symmetra.
I got the play of the game, and my sentries kept getting kills while I was just walking around.
Anyone else too lazy to use the hero names?
I just say 'sniper' or 'pudge' or 'engineer'
>>337269525
>why don't you main the street swine
Because having a main in a game where each character has so few tools and such strong counters is pure idiocy.
>>337276478
Winston, His scuba skin barely looks different from his normal one and the explorer one is nothing special.
Widowmaker at least has the huntress one which is kinda cool.
>>337276921
If it works you're supposed to do that obviously. They're extremely obvious anyway. Light up like the sun and his gun makes loud noises when firing them.
>>337277036
>Pudge
Come on, she's just thick.
>>337276418
>getting in hook range as Zen
You played a shitter
>>337276485
No, what he means is there are many invisible walls and slanted "you aren't supposed to be here" roofs that prevent you from flanking.
>>337276898
How fucking much of a scrub can you be?
Bastion is troublesome for the first 2 hours then becomes one of the most pathetically underperforming heroes in the game.
TL/DR: you're bad and so is Bastion.
>>337269525
He's not viable in every situation, his kit is best for attack, and he falls down pretty hard on defense, especially considering his lack of shields=free ultimate charge, and that just makes it quicker defense break. Also he lacks the ability to meaningfully defend anyone, even D.Va can block enemy fire, roadie can only help attack.
It doesn't make him bad, it just means his only viable half of the time.
>>337276490
No, he's right. Even in the short time the public beta was open people were figuring out to hide behind something when they heard "Nerf this!" or "It's high noon"
>>337277069
>Because having a main in a game where each character has so few tools and such strong counters is pure idiocy.
Oi m8 ur a cheeky lil buggah say 'at 2 me face n see wut happens.
>>337277036
I'm usually terrible with names, but the character designs make it easy to remember them. I also don't play assfaggots though so there's that.
Bastion's turret form should not be able to do as much damage as it does. It doesn't matter if he can die quickly if you can get some safe shots off when a good bastion parks themselves in view of a tight choke point and can just hold down LMB and kill anything that tries to walk through in 1-3 seconds
Even the first time I ever played a bastion on the random hero mode I completely demolished everything and everyone on the enemy team the second they got into view
>>337269906
>making McCreed completely useless
>>337276478
>tfw the characters you like to play have the worst skins
>the ones you don't like to play all have the best skins
JUST
>>337277423
Why do all players who play Reaper do shit like this?
>>337277198
Man I hate this as Genji. Climb up to a roof but because it slopes ever so slightly I just glide slowly off while being super vulnerable. Meanwhile there are a bunch of much steeper ground that I can safely traverse.
>>337277250
I never said he was troublesome, do you just assume shit in bad attempts to rile people up? TL/DR: okay
>>337272082
>only person at objective
>more than 2 enemies there
>your giant ass is a free target and you die before you can even start moving from L shift
>>337276075
oh I should also add that Zen REALLY shines on defense and not just because you're likely to have a builder.
If mercy is good for assaulting a fortified position and Lucio is good for contesting a point, Zenyatta is good for defending. Your range allows you to keep people topped off when they are spread out, and on defense you're likely to have other people watching your back. You're also less likely to have to deal with snipers. His damage means you can surprise people trying to sneak around or just straight up murder any tanks trying to charge in.
his ultimate is made for denying enemy ults, so when they make their big push just hit your Q button and tell them to get fucked.
I mean I play him on offense too, but he's way more fun on defense.
>>337276335
don't rely entirely on it though. Early on I disliked Zenyatta because I thought that was how he was supposed to do damage. But his LMB is beastly on its own (does more damage per orb) and very accurate.
the RMB charge is hilariously good against the fatter tanks or if a Widow has used her ult. But most of the time I honestly stick to LMB and it's fine.
>>337277559
>why do 13 year old edgelords do stupid shit
because that's what they are on this planet for, anon.
>>337276404
Call it "Winter Madness" or something. The cold weather makes teammates turn on each other.
It's just a ripoff of Winter Wyvern's ultimate though.
>>337277324
>not only having a "main," but maining an assassin-type instead of a tank or support
>>337276478
One of her costumes should have been pre-talon or something.
>>337272648
90% of people I've played with called him pudge or tracer scout or some bullshit like that. Character archtypes are hard to ignore and get ingrained. Hence people called 76 the COD guy or genji the ninja.
Pudge was the first character to get a hook as part of his kit.even before stiches and the butcher., so it makes sense people having a fat ugly character with a hook and lots of HP pudge
>>337277651
Why suggest a nerf to a hero you don't consider troublesome?
Are you clinically insane?
>>337269525
Am I supposed to use left or right click when I hook someone? I see Roadhog's one shotting people all the time but when I do either at point blank it does half health at most.
>>337277559
Probably a new player who thinks that the teleport doesn't have a ton of vulnerability frames before he can act.
I've also heard people say that placing the teleport location can be tricky, sometimes it will snap a few feet closer right before you start teleporting and you're fucked because everyone can see it.
>>337276889
I think the cutest thing about her accent. I never knew Chinese could be so cute.
>>337276478
i like widowmakers skins, i personally think tracer has the worst skins aside from the preorder one.
>>337269525
Is that pudge?
>>337277950
left click and melee
>>337269691
the very presence of genji invalidates the existence of zenyatta, whereas roadhog can still function relatively well when theres a zenyatta on the enemy team
>>337277823
I get a rush from being behind enemy lines and causing mayhem by picking off weak targets from behind. Dick-ass thief lifestyle.
>>337277950
Right click shoots out a ball that explodes at a set distance. If it hits something before it has reached that distance, it deals shit damage. If it doesn't hit anything but goes off right in front of someone's faces, it's the same damage as if you did left click right up close.
So in short, left click if you hooked someone. Just make sure to aim at their faces, that will kills most of the cast except for anyone with 250 or more health
>>337277950
Left. Right click is for medium range and dose next to nothing if you hit them with the ball.
>>337277851
So what? A non-purple Widowmaker? Could be interesting.
>>337277956
>I've also heard people say that placing the teleport location can be tricky, sometimes it will snap a few feet closer right before you start teleporting and you're fucked because everyone can see it.
This.
It was a rare occasion that I got to play an assassin because for some reason those are apparently the most popular characters, but it took a bit to get the hang of his teleport, and even then sometimes I'd end up teleporting in front of a sniper instead of behind them
>>337277423
honestly it's not the damage it's the range, there's next to no damage fall off on it, so he can still shred you from a mile away as easily as he can up close, I think they just need to increase drop off a bit, and maybe make it a little weaker to shields, he reallt just needs a bit of a tweak, bastion was hell to balance early and he still seems to be trouble, even the devs admit as much as that, it's how to tell anyone who says bastion is "fine" is talking out their ass.
is there any time a pharah wouldn't be decent on a team?
>>337270739
good fucking kek.
>>337277950
hit 'em with the normal shotty round and then melee. What you see happening is Hog doing a 3 hit. Hook, shotty to the face and melee as it's going off.
>>337269525
Playing Genji while listening to MGRR sound track sold me on him anon. I am sorry I understand why you main Roadhog he's great but Genji is the only life to live,
>>337272178
i think the push limit is 3x
>>337276418
think of it like McCree vs Tracer.
Tracer can kill McCree easy if she gets the drop or flashbang is on cooldown. But McCree is still considered her counter because most fights will end in flashbang/RMB/ded.
If you get in hook range as Zenyatta you're doing it wrong, same as Pharah. And speaking from experience I find Roadhog to be the easiest thing to kill as him except maybe D-Va's mech form. Dude just melts.
>>337278239
if they have a good Hanzo or Widow.
>>337272827
>So dodge roll in, flashbang and headshot?
It's not a dodge roll, it's a reload.
You flashbang, fan the hammer, if they're still alive you roll, fan the hammer, if they're still alive you suck and deserve the death that's coming when you reload.
>>337277146
DELETE THIS!
R8 m8s
>>337278420
I just found out from watching a video that the roll includes a reload. Fuck, I thought it was a dodge. No wonder I'm so garbage with him.
>>337273902
I always liked how if the character died while saying a line they'd groan in a similar pitch
>I'm on the point! Join me if you Wiiiaghhhhhh
>JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABAUUUUUUGHHH
>MOLTEN COOOOGHHHHHNNN
>Roadhog
>>337278170
>Less revealing clothing
>Natural skin Color and Hair
>No Infared Sensors
I know this hasn't happened to any other skins but maybe altered voice lines with more emotion I guess?
>>337278620
I dunno bastion seems pretty balanced already, have you thought about getting good?
>>337278620
any time somebody posts balance changes and they nerf bastion hard I can tell they are a grade A shitter
>>337278634
I like that little tidbit. It gets so hilarious hearing them on the radio.
>>337278620
>Zenyatta
harmony orb used to work like that and he was insanely overpowered. Just the HP/shields change is all he needs (and he really does).
also lol at those bastion nerfs. Not happening.
He's the most fun Tank behind Reinhardt but the fact is he's a bullet sponge and in this game that's not a good thing. Sure he can heal all his health but shields are in general all around better because enemies can't build ultimate with shields.
Roadhog on the other hand is all meat and bones so every shot by the enemy is free ultimate for them. Sure he can stay alive well enough but if you continue getting shot at while not killing or doing damage yourself then Roadhog is literally more useful dead at this point.
>>337278620
1.Bastion is now unplayable.
2.Ok
3.Good
4.Doesn't need the movement buff, her glide
already has a two second cool down. Fine for charge though
5. Not sure.
6. Not bad
7. Not bad
8. Sure
9. No for snap, yes for range.
10. Sure
11. Yes
12. Yes for health/armor, no for the later, they did that before and it was too strong.
>>337278832
>I know this hasn't happened to any other skins but maybe altered voice lines with more emotion I guess?
actually the norse mercy skins have an alternate voice line when you ultimate, she says "To Valhalla!" instead of Heroes never Die!
>>337272281
forbes has been doing video game journalism for a long time now. how do people not know this?
>>337278620
Bastion:
+Return frontal shield
-He can only spin 90 degrees to the left or right
>>337278634
>mi wo sutetemo myoBUUEGH
Genji's BUUEGH is definitely the funniest thing about playing him, but Mei's are definitely the saddest, the terrified screams when she's caught by a long reinhardt charge is just the most tragic thing ever.
>>337278832
>any other skins but maybe altered voice lines
How? I know Mercy changes up her Heroes never die line depending on her legendary skins, but yeah they could probably do something like that.
The real problem with what you listed would be the no infrared sensors, that's involved with her Ultimate so there'd have to be an equivalent. They could just do something like 76 and give her glasses or something she could adjust to facilitate activating the ult.
>>337278620
>that pharah change
why?
>>337279130
wasn't that exactly how they originally had him before there was an outcry of nerf?
>>337269525
Free ulti and becomes useless if any tank with a shield is on the opposite team
There is no single OP character that can't just get counter picked in game
when will people learn
>>337276478
>>337277982
This, Widowmaker's are fine but Tracer's are all terrible except her default and some recolours.
Mercy has the best skins
>>337279130
Yeah I agree, this was the best because it made him depend on positioning more and made his counters stronger.
>>337279130
>shield
So he's immune to the hook yet again? No thanks. Hooking him the fuck out of sentry mode is the funnest way to deal with him.
>>337279258
>implying 76 doesn't have the best skin in the entire game
>>337279287
Or be anyone and get behind him. You can kill him and he can't turn around and mow you down.
>>337279130
Make him hookable and it'd be reasonable.
>>337279391
Yes I am implying that
>>337279287
I wish they'd make pharah's concussive blast knock him out of sentry mode.
>>337279138
kek spot on all it needs is is some hype music in the backround
>>337279287
>tfw you pin a retarded bastion in sentry mode who for some reason doesn't realize I'm flanking him even though I obviously went an alternate route that leads to him
>>337279454
Nah then he would be extremely underpowered
Maybe if he had some mobility or something but that would throw bastion in the lowest of the low tier if he didn't have that super armor.
Actually can hooking him in turret form move him?
>>337276478
I think odette and odile are garbage, but the rest of her skins aren't that bad, other than noire, which is also terrible.
Honestly I think reinhardt's skins aren't that great, his white/gold one is cool, but his legendaries are just spiky reinhardt and alliance/ helmetless.
>>337279571
yes, the hook yanks him right out of sentry mode, although lucio's knockback wont.
>>337278620
thats stupid
>>337279113
>>337279168
I didn't know about that altered mercy line.
To the second person I am replying to. Yeah the glasses thing seems like a good idea as an alternative to the sensors
>>337279180
She just doesn't feel durable enough considering how often she's out in the open, especially during her ult. It just gets shot/pulled down most of the time. Then you consider, thematically, the mech woman has less durability than some asshole school shooter in a trench coat.
>>337279391
I actually don't like any of Soldier's legendary skins, but some of the recolours are neat like pic related and the gold one
>>337278797
kek
>Check out the open beta to see if anything changed
>Still no Australia themed map
What is blizzard doing? Even Zenyatta has his own map. Where's my mad max map?
>>337277423
I can't stop laughing, fuck
>>337276478
Infuriating, I just wan't a skin without pink hair. Winter skin goggles are also bad.
>>337279747
>not liking commander chad
>>337272165
>"Ryu ga waga teki go fuck yourself"
>>337279637
Yea thats fine then. Seriously he's be underpowered if they allowed him to got pushed around from anything but hook. At best I'd think they give him either more spread or a more significant damage drop off based on distance like how mei and mccree work. But then that would prob under power him as well. I can't think of a way to change bastion without just making him shit.
Tbh my only gripe with him is his ult form. It should be more of a grenade than a rocket. If you are going up a flight of stairs or at point b in the russian map you can't do shit because any small amount of bump or raised ground blocks his line of sight. He's shorter than torbjorn.
>>337278797
LOL
>>337279747
Did you ever see the Commander Morrison skin? That's a great one, especially with his additional highlights (ie you can see his eyes). I like the additional detail how his one-sided visor sprouts a different ult graphic , his pulse rifle looks different etc. That kind of attention to detail is nice, and I see it on a lot of the "major" skins besides the recolors
>>337278219
>and maybe make it a little weaker to shields, he reallt just needs a bit of a tweak
A little? He can rip through all of reinhardt's 2k shield in literally 3 seconds. His bullets do like 20-30 damage a shot when they should do 5-10
>>337279879
I want some russian propaganda based skins for zarya
>>337269691
Until he hooks and 1 hits you
>>337269525
Looks like a pudge copy.
>>337278863
>btw I play bastion
>>337280284
>can't dodge hoghooks
You don't deserve my balls
>>337279684
As long as they don't try to explain why she was a competent sniper before hand, it'll all be good if they ever make an Amelie skin.
>>337269691
That isn't Mei.
>>337279113
Hanzo's wolf skin has a different ultimate quote too.
He is also HOOOOOT AS FUCK
>>337274250
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Mp5gE0HSw
accurate A F
>>337269525
I do main Roadhog though. I pull bitch nigga Bastions out of their comfy little corners all day.
How does Hog's alt fire work? Does it explode in a radius or just forward?
>>337281131
just forward
blizzard really needs to explain this shit better
Noob question
What do we know about the future of this game? I'd buy this if blizzard keep releasing a hero or two every season, like DotA2 back when it kicked off its development.
>>337281460
there's no schedule or anything but blizzard have said they have a ton of content coming out over the summer and that 2 heroes are in testing right now
>>337281460
New maps and heroes are soft confirmed, and they'll all be free. No idea how often they'll release though.
>>337280462
>20 tick rate server
>dodging
lmao
>>337272206
Genji has a shitload of repeated orange slashes in front of him when he has deflection up, even if he isn't deflecting anything the slashing is still there.
Kinda hard to miss.
>>337281460
>>337281593
>>337281601
I heard datamining said there were 24 character slots, so we can also expect a third hero to eventually be added
>>337273631
It's time to go back to /b/.
I wish I was good enough to main Lucio. He looks like an entertaining character to play as if you know what you're doing.
He's my secondary after Widow, but fuck buying this game
>>337280940
Anon, you might wanna cover up that sausage
>>337281957
that only suggests there are 3 in development right now, i'm sure there will be more added later
>>337282093
Wait, so it's all force-based? and I neglected using him? Fuck, if only the beta was a little longer.
>>337272512
u literally press E on the ninja to deflect all his shots back. Pretty easy to deal with if you aren't retarded and dont rush in without using height/cover.
>>337269525
I used to think Roadhog was a bit too overpowering, but when you realize how easy it is to farm Ultimate off him it's all good.
This is exactly why nerfs shouldn't happen for a while because we are not used to the game yet.
>>337282093
he's extremely easy to use on a basic level, like even if you don't know what you're doing you can still heal people and do damage.
>>337283094
>This is exactly why nerfs shouldn't happen for a while because we are not used to the game yet.
Fucking this. I hate how people want to already nerf the game when we're just getting used to it.
>>337269906
>removing Junkrats passive
nah, just don't stand on his corpse when he dies
>>337269525
Roadhog is the worst tank in the game. I think he's fun but I also think other characters are more fun and other tanks are able to contribute more than he is. Roadhog is an absolute nightmare against disorganized pubs however and there are definitely times to use him, he's just less generally effective than the other tanks. That said everyone in the game feels pretty solid and satisfying to play, there are some more under or overtuned than others but for the most part there isn't anyone that just feels like "this character straight up isn't worth playing".
>>337282093
he is absolutely amazing once you do some practice with the wallride ability. motherfucker is like goddamn spiderman.
>>337283954
Isn't he more of an Offensive Tank though? If you're timing it right, you can chain right into his ulti and take like 2 or 3 people. The more defense ones is either Reinhardt or Winston.
>>337282620
you know you actually have to AIM when you deflect right? he doesnt bounce them back to their origin, he bounces them where he's aiming.
>>337279879
>no hair recolors
>winter skin could have been nice
>weird tubes on the jacket
>goggles have retarded little beady eyes
>other skin is designed by shadman
>>337272206
So the loud ass sound effect that plays when you use Genji's E isn't enough of a hint?
>>337284121
Roadhog's ultimate is more for contesting objectives than dealing damage. Winston is a primarily offensive tank though, as is D.Va as the two of them have similar play styles.
>>337283954
D.va is complete garbage pathetic damage
Zarya provides almsot as little support as D.va and is completely able to be ignored
Winston's damage is pathetic any backliner he leaps on can easily escape or just fucking kill him. Healers simply outrun him.
Roadhog is easily the second best. RTeinhardt shield just too good.
>>337271512
Lolwat?
You know Junkrat drops nades on death, if anything it punishes poor placement when you kill him.
>>337284232
Its more of knowing when he stops thats the issue.
>>337269525
I love buffing roadhogs as mercy, nigga literally becomes the one man apocalypse.
>>337284450
D.Va and Winston's game plan is to jump into enemy backlines and serve as distractions. They aren't really there to rack up kills, they're there to be disruptive. D.Va has a harder time at this because she has a lot of arbitrary weaknesses but Winston is disgustingly effective. The problem is that in low level pubs teams won't be coordinated or aware enough to take advantage of the space they create, which is unfortunate because they serve as primary counters to snipers. Zarya's barriers and damage output make her a super frontliner and has an ultimate that straight up wins games. She pushes well AND can protect allies from bullshit, while still eviscerating people provided that her barriers are used to their maximum effectiveness. Roadhog's lack of utility and damage mitigation are his biggest problems he's a good brawler but he also is a big target and a battery for the enemy team. He's better at sneaking around than he is front lining.
>people thinking that zenyatta having 100 health/100 armor would be superior to 50 health/100 shield
don't kid yourself, that winston is going to kill you regardless when he jumps on you if you're alone
you can trade with 66% of your health in long distance engagements, back off to reload and have your entire shield pool back. the armor damage reduction would make no real difference when he gets murdered by genji/winston/d.va/reapers/tracers because it's not his health that makes him an easy target, but his complete lack of mobility or defense.
if you're dying at long range anyway you stuck your head out when widow had her ult up (which needs some kind of indicator for the enemy team anyway) or you stood in front of an easy kill turret/bastion for way too long
shields are ridiculously undervalued in this game of unlimited ammo/projectile spam - characters with them are able to trade and suppress far better than characters without. It's like having a personal healer.
I can't think of a zenyatta change that wouldn't make him worse or better, but if I didn't care about balance I'd say give him two orbs of harmony that he can send out. Wouldn't make sense thematically either, but damn it'd be great to use one to top off the people around you and one on the guy who is being focused/pushing forward
>>337285308
Zarya does nothing Roadhog doesn't do better. Her shared shield is shit and hogs heal is better than self shield. You may be deceived by her survivabikity solely because she's Bly a threat. Hog is.
just reduce his health so he gets 1 bodied by widow and hes fine
>>337284181
OH UH ARE YOU TELLING ME AIMING IS INVOLVED? GUESS THERES NO WAY FOR ME TO BEAT BASTION
>>337285251
Then it's not a one man apocalypse faggot
>>337285919
well I don't like to take any of the credit, just doing my heal slut job.
>>337285581
Aside from protect allies and actually mitigate damage by having a regenerating shield and barriers that nullify damage on a per-instance basis, and having more consistent damage output on the whole? And having a much more impactful ultimate? Zarya is a team player, Roadhog is an entirely selfish-character.
>>337285919
Yes it is faggot, Mercy's a woman.
>>337286215
>>337285581
FYI zarya's shield can remove debuffs like mei's slow and will absord 100% of any single instance of damage
for example, zarya can save herself and others from
>D.va's self-destruct
>tracer's pulse bomb
>mccree's ult
etc. Haven't tried it with mccree's flashbang, but the shield works great on reaction to roadhogs hook on your allies as it prevents a one shot.
Nobody played him because MUH WAIFUS
Nothing better than hooking a fucking Tracer and insta-killing the annoying bitch
>>337286215
Hooking is basically a guaranteed kill.
He can prevent disruption.
He can save his backline with hooks.
He has he capacity to kill just as effectively a lot of the damage.
Zarya can shield then with her low duration weak ass shield and watch them die while she tries to push a raging ape off with her piss weak pea shooter.
Roadhog does everything better. Everything. Preventative damage is always better than mitigated damage. Zarya gets blown the fuck up and even assuming she shields she's never worth the effort to aim on. She's the weakest tank damage wise.
You believe solely becasue she can throw some weak shield on a nigga that she is good. She's not. Also why play a garbo tank when you could play a healer that shields/heals better and probably does more damage/definitely more utility?
You just sound and act like a weeb musclefag waifuis completely out of touch with mid+ play.
>>337285581
>>337286215
They serve entirely different roles. Zarya is superior at pushing with the team at her side, and her ult is for gathering the enemy together for your teammates to kill
Roadhog is for pulling targets out of their defensive position and can't really help his teammates against more than one threat.
Team builds should have two tanks anyways.
>>337286762
>Zarya has weak damage
Her damage at even 50% charge is fantastic, and Roadhog only does damage at point blank and perfect flak range, what the fuck are you on about?
>>337286762
Good to know you have no clue how to play Zarya since this post pretty much proved it
Opinion discarded
>>337269525
Simple. Because a mediocre or bad Roadhog will just let the enemy team charge their ults so much faster, giving them a huge advantage.
>>337286823
this, the only tank that could be run solo effectively is rein, and thats just in my beta experiences. all the others are niche in their roles and can't be relied on alone
>>337269906
Tracer should be able to blink through grenades/traps
So many times I got caught by junkrat's shit (both his ability and primary weapon) mid-blink, and it just looks wonky and doesn't make sense on killcam.
>>337286823
>Roadhog is for pulling targets out of their defensive position and can't really help his teammates against more than one threat.
He can also stay back and fuck up mid-range and keep ganks and leapers off the backline with hooks.
He's more effective at combat of any capacity than zarya. Her m1 is easily out ran by EVERY class and is weak. Her nades are weak as well. Roadhog can kill 2 before nades do.
>>337284181
>implying it's hard to kill a bastion with counter
You just find out where he is and stand right next to him.
99% of the time he will try to unload on you right there without any consideration of who are
>>337286987
How about no
She's already fucking annoying as it is, being the safest character in the whole game when you play her right, and shits damage
>>337286959
>Roadhog only does damage at point blank
>Zarya's m1 is short range
kek
>>337286674
>Nobody played him because MUH WAIFUS
That's a flat out lie. You would know this if you actually played the game.
>>337286762
>Hooking is basically a guaranteed kill.
I know that. Every character does a fair amount of damage, even Mercy. Roadhog just has shorter effective range because of his spreads (right clicks only go so far and have a sweet spot to hit for maximum damage). When I say
"damage mitigation" I'm referring to her personal shield. Notice how all of the other tanks have armor? Roadhog is 100% health, this is why people say he's a battery for ultimates, and healing through the damage just charges them further. Being able to completely negate an instance of damage (such as tire explosions) for herself or an ally is entirely better than just healing it off. Hooks do not do that in the same capacity. Do you solo-queue often? A lot of the people that hype up Roadhog are solo queue players. Zarya is so much more powerful with proper team play.
is roadhog kinda like the blitzcrank of overwatch?
>>337287317
Not really. Hook is very hard to miss. He's more like TF2 Heavy with a shotgun and a hook.
>>337287274
Could've fooled me
How many Roadhogs did you actually see compared to the other characters?
Not to mention everyone here rants and raves about the females as well as overwatch general.
You can say it's not true, but of all the characters, I saw Roadhog the least
>>337287059
you realize zarya's damage isn't static right? it goes up to a 100% increase. While you hook her support and fail to get a one hit because a zarya shielded her, you also just gave her 50% extra damage which she can now use to charge in, shield herself because she's now a threat and become the highest damage tank in the game
i'm not saying anything that's been said about roadhog in this thread is wrong, his hook is the most undervalued bullshit in the game but zarya is a monster that just requires the most basic of strategies to be utilized effectively
>>337287059
>He can also stay at the back and stop assassins
Reaper, maybe, but Tracer and Genji eat the fat fuck for breakfast. He's best used to pull out and kill a defensive team's support or move DPS out of position.
He suffers tremendously in team fights because his entire gimmick is the hook and point blank damage. M2 is ok but not anywhere comparable to Zarya's laser at even 0%. TTK in this game is ridiculously low, so requiring the hook to get a fast kill in a team fight is a liability.
They just don't serve the same roles, they work in totally different capacities.
This is why I hate the categories. They all have completely different niches and lumping them together confuses people into thinking they all serve the same purpose.
>>337287151
There's a difference between short-range and point-blank, and Zarya has grenades for mid-range. Literally all Roadhog has is point-blank damage and the hook that gets enemies there. While that hook is on recharge you're fucking useless, and in a teamfight that downtime is tremendous.
Pudge is a hit-and-run defense-breaker.
>>337287452
Roadhog was easily the most played tank after Reinhardt and was in almost every other game.
>>337287470
>his hook is the most undervalued bullshit in the game
It's not. Roadhog hook is one of the most satisfying and rewarding abilities to land. People played him all of the damn time. The issue is that Roadhog is best at flanking and punishing poor positioning. He actually plays more similarly to Mei in that regard.
>>337270739
This is probably one of the greatest potgs ever. The fall makes it so perfect.
>>337287452
at least 60% of the games I played had a roadhog or reinhardt or both.
>>337287741
you disagreed with me but made the same point I was trying to make. I don't know about flanking as it'd be easy to catch him out of position being as slow as he is, but he is perfect for punishing poor positioning especially considering how important delaying and time wasting is in this game. I can't even begin to count how many teams had their pushes fail horribly because one dumbass got hooked before they grouped up and made it a 5v6he's a pubstomper at heart and was played all the damn time in the matches I was in anyway
>>337288043
Oh yeah, people really drop the baby against him. He was actually my most played for a while at first but he just fell out of favor for me.D.Va is my most played Tank and third most played character overall behind Mercy and Torbjorn.
Also most of my time was played with premades so making use of Zarya's shit became a lot easier.
>Watching Genji smack the enemy like a bunch of pinatas after you pull them into a singularity
Priceless
>>337278620
Bastion only needs a minor nerf to be honest.
>less ammo + slightly longer reload
>damage falloff at range
>bullet spread at range
>Windup time before firing
Either of those would already make him much less powerful without actually ruining him.
>>337287452
Symmetra is probably the least played character.
Symmetra can destroy as long as you have a team that doesn't need to be babysat with heals,there are fucking medpacs everywhere; play more carefully,. Her teleporter alone can win control point maps.
>ult charging station 2016
>good
>see Roadhog on enemy team
>switch to Zarya
>ruin almost all his hook kills and get a free 50% boost almost every time
>>337274210
with freezes and stun and invulnerability that regen her hp and a sniper rifle wait...
she's actually nothing like the pyro
>>337288375
all he needs is slower turning time, this way he cant track even the most mobile heroes as they move and he can be reliably flanked again
>>337288435
I played all support characters and I felt she just dropped her usefulness as the match progressed, if the enemy team doesn't manage to push however she is fucking amazing.
>>337288375
give Bastion some recoil and damage falloff at range and he'd be perfect
McRee is literally pre-nerf Sandman scout but you dont even have to aim the ball anymore
>>337288619
You don't understand, guy. They both have spray weapons. That makes them completely identical.
>>337288654
True, it's probably better to switch to Mercy or Lucio if the team gets past point A.
>>337288782
except McCree has a larger hitbox, delay between his two fan shots, can't double jump, isn't bullshit fast, and his sandman stun is low range as fuck
>>337272254
You're the same cunt who wanted Loch n Load nerfed into uselessness, I bet. Also, there's no reason to remove his death grenades, they have a tiny range. You're just salty that you walked over them one time too many.
>>337288891
>delay between fan shots
That's what rolling is for
>>337288891
Not like range matters when half these shity maps are short as fuck hallways and in wide open areas Mcree has good ranged attack. Mcree straight up melts any hero in the game with fan roll fan, even the fattest fucking winston. With scout at least you had a sliver of a chance of survival.
>>337269525
someone told me reaver is his natural weakness, probably because he can sneak up behind and double shotgun him in the head
>>337275990
4u, anon
>Torjorb's hammer doesn't do more damage to Reinhart's armor when though he made it
ok blizzard
>Be mercy with a roadhog
>Res everybody every 20 seconds
Yeah he's aite
>>337289147
tracer, genji, reaper, zenyatta and pharah all rekt him free, there probably more.
>>337289147
>sneak up
No it's because the Mariachi man uses shotguns and Mako has a huge ass hitbox.
>people complaining about junk rat ult
his tire had 50 hp in closed beta, he was rarely picked.
Does overwatch have any lore as to why we fight over cars and gazebos? Or is all the lore outside of the game
I figured out a solution for bastion btw
instead of a chain gun he simply has his ult weapon at 50% damage (can move but still has a weak spot) and his ult has the chain gun but his ult cant move (still has weak spot)
Thus balance has been achieved
>>337285524
The problem isn't winston, the problem is getting killed by 90% of the weapons in one or two shots.
You can get destroyed by lost projectiles so easily it's ridiculous
>>337289496
Each character has their own lore that you can read on the website.
>>337288782
He's actually way more powerful as he's both incredibly good at long and short range and has a way better burst damage than the scout.
Blizzard have no idea what they're doing.
>>337289519
So you essentially made his ult fully useless unless it's permanent, and then it's only ineffective and easily countered, and you made his alternate mode Pharah but without any ability to get above people. Great job.
>>337289957
Everything in this game is a way more powerful version of other FPS shit and that's fine, but McRee can instagib anyone the second his grenade is off cooldown closerange while also doubling as a sniper. Roadhog needs to aim his hook for a 0.5 second stun and even then he can't one shot every character in the game. I don't get how they can balance McRee when he literally does everything the other Offense dudes do but better.
>>337273883
>Maps where the final capture zone/payload waypoint is a square room with hidden corners, and next to the defender's spawn room
Gee I wonder if there's going to be three bastions covering each other, and another Bastion to take its place 15 seconds after it dies
>>337278634
Heroes never what?
>>337290296
Tracer still has reason to exist around McCree, same with Pharah/76. He only really invalidates most the defense characters, which need to be brought up to standard on their own merits rather than his significantly decreased. His ability to remove tanks solo and faster than anyone else is maybe overpowered though. Even head on he can delete a Reinhardt almost immediately.
>>337289519
>>337290263 again
Perhaps make his Recon better, up to par with 76 for mid-range harass by tightening his cone of fire significantly, and make his ult/turret both use his ult meter slowly, so while in turret mode it drains at about 2% a second, and in ult mode drains at like 10% a second. This would make it so he couldn't brainlessly defend something unless the other team just meat grindered into him, but he's also an extremely variable threat if he's using his resources well. Maybe make his self repair drain his ult bar a little too.
It would be nice to have a character that doesn't just one and done use their whole ult, even though they seem to really want that to be what Q is on all characters.
>>337290296
>Everything in this game is a way more powerful version of other FPS shit and that's fine
No it's not fine. It's not even close to fine. There's a reason why some dps are designed the way they are. Overwatch is just a random mix of different games with no coherent design or thoughts behind it.
They're hoping putting a lot of hero with random powerful abilities will just end up balancing itself but it doesn't. It's just a gigantic mess that gets really unfun after 50 hours or so, when you start understanding what the depth (or lack of depth) is really about.
>Kill a Reaper as Tracer
>Tracer mockingly says "Deeath comesss"
cute as fuck to be honest with you guys my family
>>337290693
>play game for 50 fucking hours straight
>get tired of it
really?
>>337288808
>>337288654
>>337288435
Symmetra is mislabeled, she's a defense hero not a support, high level play uses her on defense for the first point, then switching to a different character later on. I wish she wasn't labelled as a support because people follow the team builder advice and pick her, and your team is without heals
>>337291125
What kind of casual faggot would make such a fucking stupid comment, especially when we're talking about a multiplayer game?
Get the fuck out of my board.
so...blizzard are going to let me buy coins with money right? I dont have time for loot boxes, I must get my waifu skin as quickly as possible.
>>337291406
supports do not have to provide healing to be a support, Symmetra provides utility, which is what a support class does.
Look at all the other Defense heroes, they all don't provide much besides straight up damage applied from range, best applied in defensive situations, the only exception being Mei.
Symmetra already deserves to be a support hero by the very nature of her ultimate, which allows her teammates a faster re-entry into the fight whether it be offense or defense.
Labeling her as a strictly defense hero is simply an act of ignorance.
>>337291567
cancer like you is what is killing video games
>>337291406
>implying i dont carry the fuck out of my team as symmetra
she's almost literally a free win for your team.
in the first closed beta weekend the devs saw she had the highest winrate of the entire game. Her shield ability is a constant heal for players who hit and run and was nerfed in half and still is obscene.
get gud
>>337291125
>50 hours means you'll get tired of it
d'fuck outta hererip good TF2
>>337291881
im pretty sure if you played all that during a 3 day beta period you'd have different opinions
>>337291970
Seeing how I pretty much played every day during beta, and the rest of those hours up until Valve added the Demopan Medieval update, I don't think it'd be any different.
>>337291646
>>337291786
I take that as a yes.
>>337291683
While technically you're right about the term "support" but in Overwatch you need a healer in your team comp you will lose to a team comp that has a healer. Also, Torbjorn is a defense hero is he not? He provides a larger shield than her so should he not be a support hero?
>>337291567
Eat a gun
>>337291567
>>337291646
>>337291786
A real question would be, what's the alternative to getting boxes or coins? Because you're going to start seeing some massive diminishing returns, if not hit a wall when you reach a certain level.
>>337291874
I never once mentioned her being bad, when played well she is probably the 2nd best defense hero behind Reinheardt, and part of her winrate being so high was her shield, which got nerfed.
>>337292181
There's actually been no indication for it, so you'll just have to grind. Be glad it's not LeL or an assfaggots
>>337292212
Toblerone provides armor which is different than shields.
>>337291970
The beta lasted 5 days
Because he's shit unless you're fishing for bad players
Roadhog reminds me a bit of Veteran from SMNC. A character that poses as a tank but is really about ambushes, capable of completely wrecking anyone that overextends a tiny bit. Really enjoyed that playstyle, if Roadhog plays similarly then I know who I'll main.
What's this fan thing people talk about with mcree?
>>337271783
are you fucking retarded? play the game before posting
>>337292381
I know that, and unless you're getting hit by massive damage Torbjorn's shield provides more mitigation than Symmetra's
>>337292345
once I hit lvl 40 I was getting a ton of duplicates, shit was annoying as fuck, at least give me 1 coin or something for a duplicate.
>>337292630
Rmb
>>337292940
All of the duplicates should become 40+ coins, but I'm saying is there even a level limit, because it seems that leveling up seems to be the only way to get loot crates right now.
you didnt try the beta?
>>337274207
>cockblocking an entire team is not enough
>stunlocking an entire team is not enough
you dont let someone who cant be killed disrupt the entire games objective
>>337269525
>underrated
You mean cutest.
>>337280697
i got in a 1v1 with his as mei and i had to freeze him 4 times headshotting him while freezed to make him die
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