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http://kotaku.com/from-software-says-dark-souls-3s-seemingly-useless-pois-1776079738
You heard it here, folks. Poise is working as intended and won't be "turned on" says Bamco. Looks like the idiots who believed that Italian CS rep have only proved how stupid they really are.
http://pastebin.com/FFLvqTmF
Pastebin for you because Kotaku.
Good. Poise is shit and only shitters think they need it to git gud. Of course that won't stop them from blaming a lack of poise for them sucking. Anything but admitting it's they're own damn fault they're bad.
Bamco, the guys who tell players "lol don't take candy from strangers" when people are hacking and banning other players just demonstrated they don't even know what Poise is.
It's not working as intended because it just isn't working.
The value can still be enabled, Yhorm's shield and Wolf Ring still do nothing and Perseverance does more than any armor set.
Still no word from FromSoft. News at 11.
>B-but it was totally unintentional tat they left a very noticeable mechanic disabled for over a month.
>I'm sure they'll fix it.
laughingwhores.jpg
Poiseis shit, once you get past the arbitrary breakpoint where you won't get staggered in 1 hit, it just enables R1 spamming even more, lets you poisestab and fucks large weapons even more.
I don't get the argument that poise would be beneficial for large weapons when they have hyper armor, sure the hyper-frames don't start immediately but at least you won't have to face a DMB falchion user that 2-hands his weapon, hits your first UGS swing while spamming R1, breaking your poise first and vastly outdamaging you.
tl,dr poise is shit
Maybe Dark Souls 2 poise would be fine
>>337264113
Give it up dude, it's not happening. This is coming straight from the guy who's job it is to relay this type of info to the masses.
>>337263287
Why is everyone so keen not to give them traffic?
Everyone here is using ublock anyways, so they´re not getting any money.
>>337264821
Large traffic sites like Kotaku get ad money based on page views, not a pay-per-click system. Simply following the link is enough. There are ways to view the page without it counting, but uBlock is not one of them.
>>337264154
>laughingwhores.jpg
>jpg
>>337265048
I see, thanks.
>>337263784
It's a lacking combat mechanic that turns heavy builds near obsolete no matter how you look at it.
I'm just happy I'm not at the receiving end of this,
>>337263180
Did your perchance roll roll attack today?
>>337263180
>http://kotaku.com/from-software-says-dark-souls-3s-seemingly-useless-pois-1776079738
I would be mad a week ago. Not even sad right now.
But you can be sure I stopped playing DS3 because of the lack of poise.
Jokes on them, last From Soft game I bought believe it or not.
>>337265108
Thanks anon. I can now join the modern age.
>>337265198
>turns heavy builds near obsolete no matter how you look at it.
Explain please. Hyperarmor is already good enough and rewards good timing/spacing while punishing the bad. If anything, adding poise would just make it so everyone is running around in full havels with dark swords and estocs since their R1 spam wouldn't be interruptible.
>>337263180
I don't get what all this poise drama is, I have no idea what it is and I got through the first game fine. In fact I barely looked the stats at all, do you faggots really need to minmax because you're not good enough to just use player skill?
Holy fuck Those lying shitters.
>It's working has intended
>Situational
>Last time they spoke about this issue
They didn't even explain how it works!
Does any one seriously believe this shit?
>>337265298
>last From Soft game I bought believe it or not.
You mean the most recent game they've released also happens to be the most recent one you've purchased? No fucking way!
>But you can be sure I stopped playing DS3 because of the lack of poise.
So you gave up because you can't rely on a crutch that never should have been in the series anyway? Sorry the game isn't casual enough for you.
>Treating your costumer like shit
This is what we get for making dark souls the meme it is today.
>>337265298
how is it a joke on them when they already got your money?
>>337265298
>I stopped playing DS3 because of the lack of poise.
Absolutely pathetic. You didn't deserve to play 1 or 2 either.
>>337263180
They simply don't want to admit their mistake
>>337265934
They're already admitting that the implementation of poise in 1 and 2 was a mistake by finally fixing it now.
>>337263287
turned off my adblock to give them my hit because you're a faggot
>>337265545
This
They falsely advertise the way it works
Turns out it never has worked and doesn't do what it advertises
It's still a useless Stat
Hyder armor and preserve skill doesn't have anything to do with poise at all and work entirely separate
>>337265925
>>337265926
>>337265805
Didn't got my money on Dark Souls 2 I'll tell you that.
>implying poise is needed to pvp
>>337266218
>Hyder armor and preserve skill doesn't have anything to do with poise at all and work entirely separate
Not necessarily true. Hyper armor doesn't work at all if you have zero poise. But there's no difference in how it works between having 99 Poise and 0.1 Poise, as long as you have it.
>>337265805
>Sorry the game isn't casual enough for you.
>I'm calling him casual ay lmao
>Estoc
>Dark Sword
>Using the shittiest armor is practically the same as using Havels
>1 useless stat
>Vitality is also useless
Go fuck yourself you R1 spamming shitter.
>>337264426
Your step dad works at From?
>>337265926
>You didn't deserve to play 1 or 2 either.
Why? Because he doesn't enjoy being stun-locked by 2 rats and daggers?
>>337263180
>Links to Kotaku and not pastebin
How much of a newfag are you?
>>337266548
>can't abuse hyper armor
>calls others r1 spammers
That's like level 8 irony my dude.
>>337266440
>Not necessarily true. Hyper armor doesn't work at all if you have zero poise. But there's no difference in how it works between having 99 Poise and 0.1 Poise, as long as you have it.
But unless you're 100% naked with less than 10 vit would you ever have zero poise
my biggest concern right now is not the poise issue but the fucking range that straight swords have that equal great swords.
>>337266548
>he called me a casual so he must be exploiting the casual meta
I'll just be over here wrecking fight clubs with my DSGA and superior spacing. Keep lying to yourself if it helps you sleep at night.
>>337266748
>hyper armor lets you trade 1 for 2 hits
It's ironic right?
>>337265432
There's literally no reason to use heavy armor over a set of rags since there's no difference in defense and now no difference in poise. You're gimping yourself.
>>337266742
>can't be bothered to scroll down before feeling the urge to voice their opinion
How's it feel to have autism?
>people unironically want das1's poise system back
>mfw I've been farming pale tongues with my black knight great sword and axe
You don't need poise to git gud
>>337266935
Oh, yeah I agree with that. I thought by "heavy build" you were talking about weapons, not armor.
>situational
but what does it actually do then
>Poise is working as intended
>there are items and weapon arts in game that boost poise
Can we get an update then that replaces poise-boosting sword arts of a lot of maces and great hammers with something that has a purpose then?
>>337267020
Not like ds1. I'd expect to at least take 1 hit and not stagger.
>>337267071
That's not the point, it makes the PvE experience worse. Armor is useless.
>>337267203
>wanting poise in PvE
The idea is to not get hit by the enemies
>>337267203
>armor is useless
well, it makes Fashion Souling easier to do.
>>337267203
>it makes the PvE experience worse
You shouldn't be encouraged to take damage. Play properly and there's no issue.
>>337267350
>The idea is to not get hit by the enemies
Go fuck yourself. I wan't to play as a tank.
I've never though poise would be such a big deal. In fact, I've been playing since DS1 and it wasn't until DS3 was release and everybody started talking shit about it that I learned what poise was and how does it work. I seem to have missed out this feature entirely, guess it's mostly noticeable on PvP, a thing which I've never participated in.
>>337267491
Go play an MMO then.
>tfw you discovered the perseverance meta
>>337267203
>I'd expect to at least take 1 hit and not stagger.
Which is similar to das1's poise.
In PvE, this enables you to just tank boss hits and hit them. It allows you to just stand there and drink if you need to heal. No dodging or blocking required. It completely trivializes content and effectively adds an easy mode.
In PvP, this leads to circlestrafe backstabbing that punishes whichever retard swings first or whoever lags more. Das1's pvp was complete fucking garbage for this reason. Do you seriously want giantdad tier meme builds back?
>>337267020
I want a system where you can poise through a few hits of a light weapon but not a hit of a heavy weapon. Give the smaller weapons less poise damage and/or the heavy weapons more.
It's not like your only 2 options are Dark Souls 1 poise or no poise at all.
>>337267479
>>337267350
I don't think you understand what I meant. It makes the PvE experience worse because it makes armor trivial and almost invites you to ignore certain enemies. Also, they have poise which is retarded imo.
>>337267692
Dude, how fun is it to be staggered by a punch in full Havels?
>>337264280
Dark Souls 2 had the best poise system. Weapons did large amounts of poise damage so you needed even more poise to tank a single hit, and you also get staggered anyway if not taking an action so no more tanking hits to backstab. It really shines when using Large weapons, where attacking reduces poise damage taken by 50%.
>>337267553
I'm the same, only played the first game but I never knew what poise was and got through it no problem. It's only /v/ fags that seem to care.
>>337263180
Almost thought it was the Pillars of Nosgoth in the distance.I hate being wrong.
>>337267859
Dude, how fun is it standing in front of a boss mashing your R1 button? Because it sure sounds like you'd love to dumb the game down and remove any kind of combat complexity to cater to your braindead mind. Are you the kind of person who would love an easy mode added to the game? It's essentially what you're asking for.
>>337268032SOUL REAVER 3 FUCKING WHENSoul Reaver 2 was shit imo
Can a sonyfriend tell me if Bloodborne had a poise system?
>>337268215
Fucking hell. Can't we have a midterm in this shit? That's all I'm asking. Make it shit but introduce it and give me at least a reason to wear havels armor ffs.
>>337268323
It didn't, but it also didn't have a weight system.
>>337268323
>Bloodborne
>relevant
>>337267719
DaS1 did precisely that.
>>337268502
it had a shit system though
>>337268492
No. Either you want poise to do nothing at all or you want any amount of poise to make you unmoveable.
and here we go with the anti-BB sentiments when all that guy asked was if poise was present in it.
>>337263180
lmao they ended up saying absolutely nothing about how it actually works
>>337268757
Bloodborne is to Souls games what McDonalds is to gastronomy.
>>337268323
Bloodborne was a game of don't get hit.
>>337269110
Or hit back harder if you do get hit
Good
Turning on poise wouldn't actually fix anything either because it just turns shit like Full Havel's Set + Estoc into an even stronger combination
>>337268949
>did not play bb
I pity anon.
Why don't they leave out poise but make heavy armour actually absorb a decent amount of damage?
I don't need poise in PvP, that would just encourage people to R1 spam even more. However I feel like it should be there in PvE, simply because they decided to make enemies EPIC AND FAST like Bloodborne with retarded attack patterns that attack like 6 times and never give you a break. If I'm a guy in fucking huge armor, those shitty noodle armed zombies and rats shouldn't be able to stagger me in a single hit, plain and simple. There's no excuse for it being a completely useless stat and it's a bad choice. Anyone saying "DUDE JUST DON'T GET IT or YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HIT" is a fucking idiot because with poise being displayed as a stat, a stat that is only relevant when being hit, the game suggests that a build where you are taking lots of hits like a tank is possible, when it simply isn't.
>>337269396
Actually, I bought a PS4 just to play it. It was fun for the first 10 hours, then it got old.
Litteraly the only argument I heard from anti-poise fag is "haha now you have to dodge everything like me a real player haha you're so bad haha" they have yet to construct an rational argument to why putting a stat that does nothing in a game is a good thing.
Here some SIMPLE solution :
Poise was too strong ? Nerf it.
Poise is too good for light armor ? Make it scale with heavy armor.
Able to have heavy armor (high poise) and high mobility (low equipment load) at the same time ? Make it so you can't max both stat (oh wait, they already did that)
The major problem with DaS1 is you could max out both stat pretty easily.
Now playing a heavy build is playing on hard mode. Why would you have a weapon that takes twice the time to swing, but only has minor range and damage increase ? It's stupid. The fast weapon will do more damage per second and stagger enemies more quickly. There is no more build diversity. There is literally no reason to play heavy build unless it's for style and style only.
>>337269596
I agree. They should remove the stat completely for that reason.
>people still don't know poise is hyper armor during swings in DS3 now
Why don't armour have strength requirements?
>>337270015
Yes, but as was stated earlier in the thread you only need 0.1 poise to receive the full benefit. Going beyond that has no further effect on hyper armor.
>>337269783
But anon, with Poise, a lower Meta could be fun, i can see that in the arguments of many anons here, but it would also mean less players will be invading and fighting at higher SLs.
I am at 170 and have more invaders than at my first playthrough in the release week.
>>337270015
No people do.
That's not poise though.
That's hyper armor.
And it doesn't start until after you've begun swinging your weapon.
So go try and be LE EPIC SMUG HEH somewhere else you dipshit.
>>337268492
Fashion and resists. There should be no other reason to wear any kind of armor.
>>337268323
No poise, no weight
Wear whatever you want, wield whatever you want, and look /fa/ as possible while you're at it.
Right now, weight is just hindering Fashion Souls
Correction
>From can't figure out how to get Poise to work on anything but the dev version of the game
>rather than fixing it and risk breaking something else they're just leaving it alone
I hope to god we one day live to see a finished Fromsoft game, if such a thing even exists.
>>337270274
Weight should have never existed in DS3. It makes vitality an obsolete stat.
>>337270437
I don't think people realize how small the teams working on the Souls game is.
Maybe it's because it's Japanese but a western game of that caliber would have several times the staff I bet.
Because it's absolutely stupid how much VIT you need to wear a full set of heavy armor and still get a fast roll; I wouldn't mind something similar to DaS1 poise system. Havel's Ring got nerfed hard enough that outside of absurd SL200-ish builds you wouldn't be seeing any fastrolling havels. Forcing players to choose between high poise or good rolls is basically what I want out of DaS pvp. Ensuring that weapons are then balanced (so even full Havels wouldn't be able to tank more than 1 hit of a GS/UGS but could take 2-3 hits from a standard LS) is just a matter of trial and error/patching, but the fundamental poise system is fine in concept.
>>337270517
>hurr everyone should be able to run around with Havel Greatshield and Yhorms Machete durr
>>337270597
Are you even reading this thread you autistic faggot?
>>337270565
Number if staff does not correspond to quality. Ueda managed to at least get Ico and SotC to a "finished" state with a puny team, and those games were technological monsters for their time.
FROM just flat out cannot finish their games on-schedule, and they're not even the most intensive concepts. Every Souls game aside maybe Bloodborne was left either incomplete (DeS) or disgustingly unpolished (DaS2), or both (DaS1).
And that's coming from someone who adores the series.
>>337268215
>combat complexity
>rolling is complex
Tbqh, what the fuck is the point of weight, if there's no poise?
I'm with this guy>>337270517
By removing poise they could at least remove weight as well.
>>337270274
>>337270597
Compromise; divide armor/weapons into three or four weight classes and reasonable stat investment (20-30) will let you wear full heavy gear. If From is afraid of making effective armor, it shouldn't cost 40-50 soul levels to wear things.
>>337270903
And then everyone could hide behind greatshields forever. You can't take out Weight limits without turning the game into Bloodborne, which would require the removal of shields
>>337270903
weight also balanced heavy weapons and great shields
>>337266134
Sure you did faggot.
>>337271020
>And then everyone could hide behind greatshields forever.
Then remove any added effect of a greatshield and just make all shields uniform in stats.
I just use Havel's shield + longsword/estoc all day and never lose. If poise is ever turned on I'll just drop the shield for full havel set and estoc + leo ring.
If you take this game's pvp seriously you're probably mentally disabled.
>>337271106
>nerf everything into the ground and/or just turn the game into bloodborne
>to fix a stat that worked perfectly fine in the first place
This is why /v/ should never become game designers.
>>337271209
>massive tryhard attempts to call everyone else out on "taking things too seriously"
Hah
>>337271220
I am responding to the shit decisions that the devs themselves have made you mongoloid.
There's no point having weight if there's no poise. Literally zero.
>tfw I can't even be Tarkus anymore
Why?
>>337271036
>weight also balanced heavy weapons and great shields
Are you new? Heavy weapons are shit compared to their dex counterparts in general.
>This is why /v/ should never become game designers.
Nice pasta m8, r8 an 8/8
>>337271315
Sounds like someone got dunked on by some Havelstoc.
>>337266059
>Fixing it now
Having an entire stat, Vigor, where the main purpose is too be able to equip heavy armor for Poise (because the difference in physical defense/absorption is pretty negligible) is not "fixing it." They have a worthless stat for increasing a worthless value.
If they wanted it to be Bloodborne, then they should have made it like Bloodborne, which includes armor being weightless.
>>337271349
Aside from balancing greatshields and STR weapons
Good job, you're an idiot
>>337271365
>Heavy weapons are shit compared to their dex counterparts in general.
My Dragonslayer Greataxe disagrees with you. Just because you're bad with them doesn't make them unusable.
It's actually great for me. The meta is filled with R1 spammers and stunlocks because of the lack of poise, and Morne's Great Hammer has let me hard counter that pretty easily.
>>337271452
I've actually never had to deal with them since I don't play at SL 120 +-30, but nice meme spouting you Undertale-loving fag.
>>337271494
>Dragon Slayer Greataxe
>Good
>>337271493
>Aside from balancing greatshields and STR weapons
Why? What's there to balance? You could still have stat requirements and scaling differences but no weight.
>>337271489
That's a problem with vigor and armor weight, not a problem with poise. Hyper armor replacing poise is one of the better changes to take place in the series.
>>337271494
>Boss weapons
>Good
Nice meme newfriend. You sure must be a pro in PvE.
"Then maybe letting people know how these situation works would keep them from complaining. The way they’re speaking it seems like it IS a useless stat and they just don’t want to acknowledge. I understand they’re known for being cryptic, but there has to be a point where letting people know how something works becomes important - What they’re doing right now is just saying “It is working, you guys just don’t know how” to a base game mechanic."- Some dude on the Kotaku comment section
>>337271530
The issue is that a lot of STR/Quality weapons that aren't XBOXHUEG don't get hyperarmor, so even then it's not balanced particularly well.
That and straightswords/estocs/etc can get guarantee 2-hit combos which out-DPS weapons that can't trade thanks to no poise/Hyperarmor.
>>337271691
Because if those weapons had no weight effect you'd have DWGR STR flippers just like early DaS1, or the equivalent.
>Vitality is useless and a waste of points because heavier armor doesn't give jack shit for defence against lighter, more optimized sets
The fuck were they thinking
This could have been easily fixed by allowing armor reinforcement, and heavier armor having better scaling with upgrades
But no, now its just fucking pointless to use anything even mildly heavy
The game balance is beyond fucked in 3
>>337271840
>The fuck were they thinking
They lied to us. There's no way around it.
>>337271645
>>337271735
>I've never used the weapon so I'll just call it shit
I routinely win fight clubs even against estoc and dark sword users. All it takes is one slip up on their part and it's time to go to pound town. Maybe you should try something other than spamming R1 before completely dismissing heavy weapons.
>>337265125
even if they did get money based on views, uBlock still shows the ad as viewed, even though it was blocked
>>337271837
>Because if those weapons had no weight effect you'd have DWGR STR flippers just like early DaS1
So what? I'd take that over having a *literally* pointless stat, that is required to use armor that does *literally* nothing.
>>337271840
i was surprised to see that they didn't allow armor upgrade or weight reduction with upgrades as well. I just dont get a lot of the decisions they made with this game
>>337271365
>Are you new? Heavy weapons are shit compared to their dex counterparts in general.
that in itself is another problem with the game, but ignoring that if you even look within a single weapon class the better weapons often weigh more
>>337271951
>I'd take having unplayable PvP over having a broken stat that inconveniences one playstyle
You're a fucking idiot, son
With no Weight stat there is literally nothing stopping a player from gouging VIG and END, and just fastrolling around behind an unbreakable Greatshield.
You are trying to combine two known issues in PvP into one broken shitfest. Good job.
>>337268215
Guess what, chucklenuts?
You can already R1 spam most of the fucking bosses.
Because they stagger.
And then you get a visceral attack for even more damage.
Then you fucking do it again.
>>337271936
>I've never used it
Just stop making a fool out of yourself, everyone tried that thing. It's good in PvE and that's it. Shit reach and shit weapon art. Fume great-sword will always be superior.
>>337271723
>That's a problem with vigor and armor weight, not a problem with poise.
That's like saying "That's a problem with vigor, not with HP." or "That's a problem with endurance, not with stamina." Poise and heavy armors are the only reason you would need to really pump your vitality. And being "situational" in ways that no one has discovered and they haven't specified still isn't fixing it or improving it. Simply listing a value, saying it does something, and having it not do that thing is a massive flaw and oversight.
>>337272305
>With no Weight stat there is literally nothing stopping a player from gouging VIG and END, and just fastrolling around behind an unbreakable Greatshield.
There's nothing stopping you from doing that now either, because you don't have to wear armor for poise you fucking moron.
>>337272236
Actually in 3 Quality far outdamages Dex thanks to the nonexistance stamina cost of Longswords and Estocs.
In fact Dex is kinda terrible, aside from some dual wield spin2win gimmick builds and running katana R1s.
>>337272338
Like I said, just because you suck at using it doesn't make it unviable. The same could be said about any weapon, but I've won more duels with the DSGA than any other weapon so far. It's all about that spacing.
>>337271936
Watch this if you have any love for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSCOgi5imGA
>>337272597
I saw it when it first came out. What's your point?
>>337272596
>Like I said, just because you suck
>oh boy I sure showed him :^)
>>337272463
The weapon weights alone stop you from doing that at anything other than very high meme SL metas, which you seem to be completely ignoring.
That abd the fact that VIT is a limitation stat that prevents VIG/END gouging by forcing you to invest your points elsewhere, whereas in 1 END was a feast or famine stat that rewarded pumping levels.
>>337271756
>STR/Quality weapons that aren't XBOXHUEG don't get hyperarmor,
What weapon class below Greatswords should get hyperarmour in your opinion?
My favorite class in all of Dark Souls is fatass heavy knight with a side of miracles.
I want someone to tell me right now how viable that is in Dark Souls 3 before I buy this game.
>>337272712
You clearly didn't, wouldn't be having this discussion with you if you did.
>>337272713
>better greentext since I have no argument
>oh gotta include that one smiley face too so he knows how good at memes I am
>>337272830
You'll get stunlocked if you can't kite for shit
You can always fastroll when below 70% weight
You have mana and a mana flask instead of limited casts
>>337272830
Armor has no poise and miracles are shit.
So no, you shouldn't buy it.
>>337272830
>I want someone to tell me right now how viable that is in Dark Souls 3 before I buy this game.
It's not for 2 reasons:
Miracles and Magic are shit overall;
Poise doesn't exist.
>>337272895
>you suck is now an argument
Hello summer-friend
>>337272830
Good in PvE and bad in PvP
>>337272873
I'm not about to rewatch a 15 minute video I've seen already just to analyze it to understand some vague point you're attempting to make. Why don't you just tell me what you're trying to say instead of being a faggot?
>>337263180
then, whats the point of heavy armor now?
>>337272795
Regular Greatswords and CGSs barely get hyperarmor was my point, and I'm not sure that Axes do either which as STR weapons they should.
Hyperarmor really only sets in UGSs, GAs, etc. In my experience using nothing but GSs on my first character.
Do people have a tough time using heavy weapons or something? I win against ganks all the time with heavy weapons, one of my favorite things to do is camp out at the giants after Pontiff and wait for Aldrich faithfuls to try and gank me
Its fucking stupid how good hyper armor is and the fact that you will always get 2 hits in
>>337273056
The argument was about the viability of a weapon. The fact that you suck is just supplementary to the focal point. But yeah, keep cherry picking posts, it sure makes it seem like you have something worthwhile to contribute.
>>337273138
The issue isn't that STR isn't viable, it's that there's clearly an unfinished mechanic that they're lying about/ignoring that makes armor an entirely irrelevant side of the game.
>>337271494
>Casuals actually thing meme axe is good because of its R2
Dark souls should've died with DS1
>>337272486
To be fair, quality out damages Str as well.
Which is kind of the point. You invested in both physical stats so you should have the highest physical damage.
>>337273318
The R2 is terrible. Did you mean the L2, because even then it's situational and rarely pays off.
It's all about that rolling R1. Shit is way too fast.
>>337273121
>Regular Greatswords and CGSs barely get hyperarmor was my point
I main the Claymore and my 2hR2 can poise through UGS 2hR1 attack. 2hR1 poise through anything below the GS class. What more do you desire?
>>337273486
I think he meant the weapon art.
>>337272461
Wasn't there a video detailing the situations where poise is active? As I remember it was during a roll and while taking a sip.
>>337265298
Good. We don't want faggots like you in our community.
>>337263180
>n-no we swear it works it's just really well hidden :)
If nobody could even figure out what it even DOES, which already rules out all the reasons people could want poise to begin with, doesn't that make it pretty fucking useless?
Assuming they aren't talking out of their ass and it doesn't do literally nothing, that is.
>>337273308
Well yeah sure, that I can agree with
Bringing back poise would do more harm than good though
>>337273467
>splitting the difference in a mid-tier weapon should outdamage defined investment weapons
Lol, no. That's just a side effect of From fucking up the upgrade system yet again, and the push for the idiotic huge SL meta which lets Qual players get both damage stats to softcap.
Quality worked best in DeS where it was the "I haven't gotten the weapon I want yet but need something to keep progressing" option.
>>337267867
So you rebalance and introduce other subtleties to poise. Like capping armor poise below a UGS 2H R1, and below most weapons' R2s. Or removing poise from neutral stance, so you have to be attacking, rolling, ie doing something to benefit from it. Or both. Then specialized builds might put iron flesh, perseverance, big mclargehuge unique attacks etc on top of that.
Don't just turn it off then lie that it's still there.
>>337273796
meant to reply >>337264280
>>337265805
>Sorry the game isn't casual enough for you.
Not him, but it's the lack of poise thats actually making PvP casual friendly. Fights boil down to -who gets the first hit gets 2 guaranteed hits after which the target rolls away and rinse and repeat.
DS3 PvP is a fucking joke compared to DS1, which I bet you think had bad PvP.
>>337273593
I used the Hollowslayer, Executioner's and Wolf Knight Greatsword in my first playthrough and in PvP and PvE the hyperarmor came so late in the swing it was pure luck to get a hit in against an aggressive enemy. It just feels like significantly less hyperarmor than the dedicated STR weapons get.
>>337272830
Worst choice rigth there
>mfw """"""""paladin"""""""" build with cathredal knight set
No face. It doesnt even reduce damage enough.
>>337273138
Everyone knows how good Hyper-armor is (although the attacks that use it are usually slow as fuck and easy to avoid). But there's no middle ground.
It's "use a giant weapon that grants hyper-armor to avoid being staggered" or "use the fastest thing with a decent range (short swords, estocs) to quickly stagger people."
Hell, the whole "guaranteed second hit" would be a great way to implement poise without it being broken. People with enough poise could recover and roll away after one hit, rather than getting staggered for 2. They're not unstoppable, they can just get away faster.
>>337273974
I nuse hollowslayer and I can say that it's hyperarmor is perfectly fine, I'd trade with UGS, straight swords, rapiers, everything fine.
I think you're just retarded, anon.
>>337273739
Not really. STR weapons already get hyperarmor, all poise would do is prevent Dex/Qual weapons from having free stunlock, which would benefit dual wield Dex weapons more than anything.
Poise would nerf Quality weapons pretty hard, but A: they need that and B: it's a situational stat.
>>337274176
It was my first character and I won't pretend I understood the hyperarmor system at that time, so it's possible I am completely retarded.
>>337274279
in general the hyper armor frames happen during the actual hit frames of your attack. hollowslayer's moveset is fast so I guess it can be difficult
>get hit once
>you are forced to get hit twice aswell
>only after that you can roll/parry/hit
Who thinks this is good design? Its worse than das1
>>337274178
Poise does more than that
It would enable poise stabs for example, making heavy weapons practically useless since you could just walk right through them for a backstab
It would make fights last fucking years because even now its ridiculously easy to dodge everything
It would change how the whole game feels, plays, and the entire meta scene
Its not just "lol some weapons would get nerfed"
>>337273690
I've never seen it, but I'd be interested.
Although that's pretty fucking dumb, if the points where poise come into play are only when the player is already mostly invincible or recovering tons of health.
>>337273752
>every other possible stat build is fine but if you do STR/DEX it should be shit LOL
Quality is fine as it is, if you invest in both of the physical damage stats and end up not having as many other stats like VIT, VIG, and END then you should have the highest physical damage possible.
That said, weapon balance is still fucked due to straight swords and such being way too good and other weapons not being good enough.
>>337266134
That edgy, edgy bait tho
>>337273690
During a roll was confirmed to be equip load, not poise.
Never heard of while taking a sippy or using other items.
>>337274447
Havel's armor doesn't actually give that big of bonuses, its primary advantage was the fact that you could poise through nearly every hit that wasn't a UGS or great hammer.
Now, a dual wielding dagger user can keep you in a stunlock indefinitely and theres nothing you can do about it
the lack of poise is what caused R1 spam fags to exist entirely because theres no consequence when greatswords stagger you as hard as a dark sword does, the darksword just does it 3 times as fast
>>337274447
The only reason this doesn't work well is because of killcombo WAs and the fact that STR weapons never drop R1 combos but DEX weapons inexplicably do.
I would be fine with Poise being gone if weapon combos made any kind of sense and had variety aside from R1>R1 or R1>L2>R2
>>337273690
I just tested the sip one with 70.41 poise
Still getting Staggered
>>337273705
>souls community
>>337274447
>get hit once
>you are forced to get hit twice as well
or
>get hit once
>opponent does L2 combo that hits 3 times and each hits procs bleed
>receive 1400 from the combo itself and the bleed does the remaining 300+ health
Yeah, shit game design.
>>337271756
Morne's is definitely an outlier. All other Ultra Strength weapons are absolutely fucked. Morne's, DSGA, and other hyper armor weapons are only viable because of how people are taking advantage of the lack of poise.
If they fixed it in any way it would fall back into relative obscurity, but until then I'm L2ing the fuck out of black knight glaives, exile greatswords, and warden twinbladers.
Does anyone knows how to turn on poise? Why those fags that made the youtube video don't release instructions or a mod for it?
>>337274523
Poise stabs were a product of DaS1 animations taking so long. In 3 if you actually give the enemy tine to punish an attack that hard, you fucked up.
The general pacing of fights is entirely a different issues and has nothing to do with Poise, yes Poise would exacerbate the problem but the problem is already there, rolling and healing being completely free actions stems from Bloodborne.
As for it changing the meta scene, good. Straightswords are factually superior to almost everything because of the bad stunlock system, and if it weren't for the fact that 99% of SS users are shitters the PvP would be as awful as DaS1's launch PvP. It NEEDS to be shaken up.
>>337274893
>All other Ultra Strength weapons are absolutely fucked.
This
A huge advantage of UGS's were the fact that if you ever got hit, you'd get stunned, it was a trade off for being super slow.
A darksword or an estoc even post patch still out performs every other weapon. I can't really say I've lost a battle to any greatsword user in a 1v1
BEST RING IN THE GAME
>>337263180
>Always played the tank/miracle bro in dark souls
>Tanking it out with some of the fiercest enemies in the game and even the gods.
>My heavy shield and Lance worked wonders
>Dks3 comes along
>What the fuck why am I not able to tank my enemies
>Why are miracles so shit
>Why are the boss weapons sbit
>Dex fags get everything now
Dark souls 3 is some of the worst trash in the souls series. Either you roll a Dex fast pussy little gilryboy character or you're pretty much nerfed to shit.
>>337274630
Except Vig and End are worthless thanks to no poise and quality weapons costing nothing stamina-wise, and Vig is irrelevant because of the stunlock and fucked up matchmaking system
So Quality just ends up being mathematically better at high SL with no drawback.
Quality shouldn't be shit, it just shouldn't be the top build, over builds that actually involve sacrificing more stats.
>>337275239
Just like how the pendant was the best starting item.
>>337275102
Healing in Bloodborne wasn't free
High end guns with high end BLT could easily do over 800 damage with a single ashed shot, and STR builds had the cannon
Straight Sword R1 spam is literally countered by havelstoc or hyper armour heavy weapons
I can do 900+ damage with 2 R1s while you hit me once for 350 damage max
So what has DS3 actually done right, mechanically?
Why is DS2 considered worse than 3?
>>337275413
You had to build around punishing healing in BB, or predict it off a retarded opponent.
In DaS3, there is no means of punishing Healing.
So you're right, they actually made it worse.
>>337275318
spiked mace is a top tier weapon with a 1300 incescapable damage combo, you stupid fatroller
>>337263180
>working as intended
but that is just a straight up lie
>>337263180
>it's not that we forgot to add posie and you gotta turn it on, it's actually situational
>the way it works is you have to use a weapon skill toturn poise on
gg from
>>337272830
Flattening enemies with a huge weapon is still good and satisfying, and even though poise is pretty shit the armor that gives you poise also gives good defense.
Miracles are fine too, you just don't get any especially amazing miracles but you still get solid options like Tears of Denial and Force is actually useful in this game because it knocks enemies on their ass and other stuff like Sunlight Blade or Sacred Oath or Deep Protection or Regeneration, etc.
these threads amaze me, it's just a bunch of people whining about something that they have no input in and can do nothing about.
what point is there in saying "oh From you're so stupid that you didn't make your game how I think it should be"?
Isn't poise in DS3 how hard you are to stagger mid-attack?
I thought it was obvious from just playing the game and doing a little testing here and there.
Also, magic helps fuckall in PvP aside from perhaps crystal homing soulmass. My second character is a mage and I nearly always need to resort to my Moonlight Greatsword but even then I'm shit out of luck because I'm just all around worse in melee combat stat-wise.
Plus it's even harder if you're the one invading and there's a bunch of guys spamming R1 on your ass. No way in hell you're getting even a single spell off, people have even awakened to using the seed too, now. So much for the asymmetrical PvP.
>>337275413
It only takes one good hit with an estoc or straight sword to go into the R1-R1 combo, and with the Estoc or Dark Sword I can outrange many STR weapons. Even if it's only 5-600 damage per 2 hit combo, it's FREE 5-600 damage that badically can't be punished with anything but a spear. And it costs me nothing to R1>R1>roll away as much as I want. AND I'm free to have a shield because of low weight and stat investments
>>337272830
It doesn't work anymore. Tanks class is nerfed to shit. And miracles are as well, good luck trying to tank in this game because faggots COMPLAINED too much about it.
I don't care that poise is worthless. Bloodborne was perfectly fine without it.
It bothers me that it's worthless AND they leave it in the game AND they lie that it was intended and not just lazy design.
>>337275327
That doesn't mean the quality build itself should be worse, that means poise and unbalanced short swords etc should be fixed.
>>337275808
No. Hyperarmor is either on or off and only exists on certain weapons. Poise does nothing.
>>337275318
>fat rolling
Yeah, no shit bro.
>>337275417
I'm pretty sure most of everyone agrees that DaS2 has the best PvP in the series for a variety of reasons. Maybe that'll change when From finally gets their shit together with DaS3.
>>337275569
>>337275935
That wasn't me
Poise promotes sloppy play and r1 mashing.
Hyperarmor promotes careful spacing and knowledge of your weapon.
It's a good thing Fromsoft saw the light.
Tears of poisefaggots are delicious.
>>337275923
Not talking about hyperarmor like during an Artorias Greatsword flip.
If you have poise you're harder to stagger while swinging your weapon. It's true.
>>337275803
>what's the point of calling people out on their bullshit. Just take it up the ass.
Reminder that bloodborne had the best staggering system.
>>337275908
Bloodborne is a different matter. You didn't have the options you have here.
>>337276012
>Dex boypussy
>>337275916
The only way to fix Quality weapons is to play with their damage values, if you change their range or make them drop combos they become irrelevant garbage like half the Dex weapons
>>337263180
Wasn't Kotaku ang Gawker going to go out of business?
>>337276027
No. It isn't. It's been tested and is easily demonstrable. With a weapon with no hyperarmor, like a straightsword, any attack will break you out of your swing, even with maximum poise. This has been tested by various groups since day 1.
It does NOTHING.
>>337276036
>what's the point of calling people out on their bullshit. Just take it up the ass.
Who are you calling out? where is the person from FromSoftware that you're speaking to? Where is the media outlet that is publishing your argument?
They're not here, you're just yelling at a wall and feeling smug about it. It's like watching a retard trying to hump a door knob.
>>337276012
>Tears of poisefaggots are delicious
this cringe is insane
>>337276284
Friendly reminder that Fromsoft only ported DaS1 to PC due to fan interest, unlike most companies they at least pretend to listen to their fans
"Never discuss issue with games" is idiotic.
>>337268323
It wasn't really a poise system but it was probably the best staggering system of the series.
>>337276027
There is no hyper armor in Artorias's greatsword flip. You can be knocked out of the air and stunned like any other animation because its just an animation, theres nothing special following it
>>337276426
My reiterpallasch unescapable R1 spam disagrees with you. BB was broken as shit
>>337264154
>lol, we put a number on a stat that doesn't do anything just to piss off /v/
>>337275908
Bloodborne not having poise was okay because the stun timings were so short
in 3, the stun timings last forever until you get hit again, and then they reset instantly
In Bloodborne it was almost impossible to get stunlocked because the stun timings just werent fucking there
>>337263180
Maybe it reduces how much stamina it takes away while blocking?
>>337275417
Weapon arts are cool in concept, but unfortunately a lot are underwhelming.
I like that MP returns and getting another estus flask for it, but it seems like a lot of (non-sorcery?) spells cost too much FP.
Lifegems being gone is better than how they were in Dark Souls 2, but they could have stayed as a more rare item instead of completely removing them.
Poise not working properly is complete garbage.
It's a mixed bag...
>tfw PvP shitters ruined dark souls
holy shit you guys are cancer
if I was autistic enough I would cheat online just to make you pay for what you've done to dark souls
>>337276578
In reality this is the problem
its a number stat in game that says it does something when really it does nothing at all. There are items specifically for this but they do literally nothing because the stat they buff does nothing.
There are people who probably haven't looked up online that Poise is unusable and they probably have "poise builds" only to be sadly disapointed to find out they don't work at all
>Poise returns
>Everyone just upgrades to the heaviest armor they can find and keep spamming that R1
>>337263287
Thanks mate.
>>337276843
This is why you don't play at SL120
>>337263180
I just feel like if i'm wearing full plate armor and i'm winding up to swing my sword that takes 3-5 business days to finish I shouldn't be interrupted by an undead with literally NO WEAPON brushing his hand against me.
>>337276106
I would be fine with them doing that and not fucking over other legitimate quality builds in the process.
>>337266229
So you just gave them money for 1 and 3 then plus probably dlc? Yeah, jokes on them totally.
>>337276927
This is why DS1's pvp was utter garbage
>>337276843
R1 spamming is a thing because there is no poise
there is no difference between a greatsword and a darksword now, they stun the same and the darksword stuns far more often
>>337277048
If he's a PC player he probably got the game for $5 and didn't spend any money on DLC.
>>337277132
>what is hyper armor
fucking jesus christ, learn how to use it
if and when you see your opponent attack, go for 2 hits, always. And you will get those 2 hits because hyper armor
>>337275417
Oh yeah, and hexes being downplayed along with pyromancy REQUIRING stats to cast pyromancies is dumb; it should've been like Dark Souls 2.
>>337276843
>Poise returns in a way that's actually different and more situational
>Provides an advantage without letting you just ignore hits
Whatever Poise does now, it's so negligible people are questioning it's existence. I like the idea of poise being different, but not it being useless.
>>337277048
Yeah, pretty much this >>337277285
>>337277059
I wish. I remember trying to make a build with havel's and those painting guardian swords for max possible DPS but people had enough poise to regain control after a few hits and parry the fuck out of me.
>>337277301
>just use hyper armor that only lasts for a few seconds
>just trade the hits!
no this is fucking stupid, its not a cure and its completely derived out of shit design. I shouldn't have to cast hyper armor every single fucking time just to get the buff over a darksword swinging faggot. There is literally NO reason to use greatswords because things like darkswords exist
>>337277285
If that is the case I don't think from or anyone else would care if he didn't support them then.
>>337263180
>only 7 incidences of "kotaku"
this place really has gone downhill
>>337267575
or lit. any other souls game who knows man!!!!!!!! WHO KNOWS MAN!!!!!!!
>>337277301
>greatsword does as much damage in 2 hits as this fucker got in 3 because thats how long it took me to "trade" hits with him
>>337275808
>not using Great Farron Dart
>not using Crystal Hail
>not using regular Soulmasses instead of Crystal ones
>not using Great Deep Soul
>not using Dark Edge
>using the shittiest rendition of the MLGS
You need to work on your sorcerer game, friend. I do perfectly fine in regular invasions and in fight clubs. You just need different setups in each one.
>>337277449
You get 1 hit in, while I tank through it and stun you for 2 hits
I don't see the issue.
>>337277626
No you don't shitter. Watch this video. >>337272597
>>337276668
I backstep to get out of stuns and works great.
>>337277626
>you get one hit then another!
>but you took 4 in the mean time and he did more damage regardless
>>337277558
>dark sword
>having any hyper armor
Now you're just being stupid.
Dark sword doesnt have hyper armor, heavy weapons do.
That means you get 1 hit, I get 2 hits because I tank through yours, and just continue to smash your face in with the second.
>>337277471
yeah how dare people discuss the article instead of shitpost derailing the thread about where the article is from xDdDdPdpDPDpxXxDD
>>337277761
>but you took 4 in the mean time
They can't hit you while you're hitting them if they don't have hyper armor. If they have a large weapon too then you fucked up by trying to trade poorly. Do you even play Dark Souls, or do you just make shit up to complain about?
>>337277821
I never said darksword had hyper armor
Poise working like in DS1 would just kill heavy weapons completely. I actually liked how it worked in DS2, it just needed better values.
>>337277923
>they can't hit you
>roll through greatsword
>attack twice in the time it takes you to swing a second time
>rolls into it again
>hits you 2 more times regardless
yea nice trade for a fucking gimmick that never works
>>337277923
>Do you even play or do you just make shit up to complain about?
this is 4chan man, what do you think?
>>337277923
>what is roll
Ayy lmaoo
>>337277723
>no you dont
Then why do I win all the time by using that exact same strategy
Sure, if my opponent knows how to play against around it, then sure Im in trouble and its more difficult
But to say heavy weapons are "useless" is just plain stupid.
>>337277761
Straight swords dont have hyper armor you fucking donut
Do fucking any of you even understand the concept of hyper armor and how it works? A straight sword user will not be able to spam his attacks 4 fucking times because he doesnt have the hyper armor.
A heavy weapon user will ALWAYS get in 2 hits because of his hyper armor and the fact that its literally impossible to escape from 1 hit, 2 hits is always guaranteed
Fucking at least try to learn this shit before you spout stupid nonsense
>>337277923
>just trade hits dude!
that solves nothing
There is still no reason to use a greatsword over a dark sword because you can just get stunned to death.
The greatsword staggers the same as the darksword, your memearmor doesn't do shit and he can just wait it out with one dodge because thats how small your dumb window is of opportunity
>>337277954
>greatsword does as much damage in 2 hits as this fucker got in 3
Yes you did. Any normal sized weapon will get in 1 hit at most due to stagger if they trade with somebody that has hyper armor. Don't make up impossible scenarios if you don't even play enough Dark Souls to know how these things work.
>>337278041
>Poise working like in DS1 would just kill heavy weapons completely.
wat, does DS3 not have a Zweihander?
>>337271840
>tfw I have 50 VIT
JUST
>>337278197
>Sure, if my opponent knows how to play against around it, then sure Im in trouble and its more difficult
You just admited you're shitGit Gud
>>337277954
We've been talking about straight swords this entire convo.
What fucking weapon can do 4 hits before a heavy weapon gets its hyper armor?
You come back with that, I'll wait.
>>337278214
don't make up impossible scenarios where you're somehow gonna land a hit with a greatsword and your dumb hyper armor actually works
meanwhile greatswords swing so slow you can just roll through it, completely defeating the purpose of your hyperarmor. Your hit trade doesn't mean shit when the darksword puts out more DPS than you
>>337278212
>you can just get stunned to death
Every weapon in this game gets to stun for 2 hits. No more, no less. If you aren't rolling out after the second hit then you fucked up.
>>337278404
they're rolling into the next attack and then crying about it.
>>337278335
>get two hits while you prepare meme armor
>get hit twice when he rolls through your first swing because its shit
>>337278404
>roll through first swing because greatswords are slower than a downy kid in molasses
>>337278542
>get two hits while you prepare meme armor
If they're in striking range before you start your swing then you made a mistake. Stop blaming the game's mechanics and own up to your faults and you'll have a more enjoyable time.
>>337278335
>muh meme armor that never works
keep thinking you're so much better with some gimmick because you're compensating with a huge sword that does fuck all
>>337278320
Why even bother fucking coming here and trying to talk sense if you just revert back to this garbage everytime somebody proves your ignorant stupid ass wrong
Saying stuff like "hyper armor is useless" or "you can do 4 hits before any hyper armor activates" just plainly knows how little of this shit you actually know.
>>337278739
>stop blaming the game mechanic for fucking hit staggers
>>337278810
Just stop man. They're repeating themselves on purpose now so they can go for a merely pretending award.
>>337278739
>stop blaming the game mechanics
this never happened in DS2 or DS1, yes I will blame the game mechanics because thats exactly what it does
>>337278845
It's never the game's fault you got staggered. You could have either rolled away or timed your attack well enough to utilize hyper armor.
>>337278810
I wan't even replying to your previous posts you retardedgit gudhole
>>337279007
>the game lack of poise makes everyone get staggered regardless of what they get hit with
>its not the game's fault you got staggered
>>337278754
>that never works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBfPJRjbT_4
4:21
>he hits me with an UGS rolling R1
>I tank through it with hyper armor, get 2 hits in because of it
Its okay to admit being fucking retarded anon. Its okay to be ignorant and stupid.
>>337275053
This. I'm done with this piece of shit. I want to switch poise on and play the rest offline so I'll actually have fun
>>337279073
>my anecdote beating some shitters who didn't do fuck all and hardly ever rolled means I'm correct
>>337279050
Wow it's almost like getting hit is something you'd want to avoid. And it only took you three entire games to finally realize that tanking hits for no purpose isn't a viable strategy.
I never realized so much of /v/ likes it when armor, stats, items, and skills are completely useless. You guys are faggots and should not be defending this.
>>337279145
You don't deserve to have fun until you learn to play better.
>>337267203
Fashion souls is the only thing that matters
>>337279220
It was viable until this game. Why are you so mad that someone wants to play the game a different way than you? If you're so much better than the scrubs that want poise to work then it shouldn't make a difference to your play if it's turned on.
>>337279073
the first guy doesn't even roll right nor make any attempts at an attack for two fucking minutes
the second blue phantom didn't do fuck all either and the first kill was a complete gank purely because he never even attempted to roll let alone time it
>>337279250
Poise being left in for no reason if it does nothing is retarded as fuck and no one is defending that choice.
However all these people trying to say the game is completely ruined from it are autistic crybabies that cannot deal with change.
>>337279219
>backpedaling this fucking hard
>not understanding how a game mechanic works, so you blame the game
>still insisting hyper armor "doesn't work" because you're fucking garbage at video games
Lmao, I guess were done here then
Have fun shitposting and getting those delicious (you)s I guess.
>>337278292
It would kill heavy weapons because then people would just stack poise + a light weapon and be able to R1 spam even more. In fact, it'd make rapiers even better than straight swords because then you'd be able to more easily pull off Leo Ring counters.
>>337279415
I didn't just say the time stamp for fun anon.
I'm not bragging about how I handled that invasion, I made it because I saw so many people complaining about getting ganked while invading.
The point wasn't to brag, the point was to show hyper armor in action and how it works.
Learn to fucking read.
>>337279585
How come that didn't happen in DaS1 though?
>>337279372
I really wish the Heavy Knight set wasn't removed, it would have been great for my lancer build.
>>337279532
>back pedal
your video doesn't show shit beyond one guy running away from the fight for 6 minutes before getting his first gank kill because a retard didn't roll for shit.
>gets stunned by everything
>hyper armor fails 7 times in the first 3 minutes because he gets stunned by the enemy pyromancer
>>337279689
>hyper armor in action
>no don't count it failing so many times before
Demon's Souls didn't have poise either, you poisebabbies
>>337279746
Probably because you didn't have access to four ring slots and couldn't fast-roll if you had more than 25% of your equip load occupied.
>>337279432
The game isn't broken without it, but plenty of people ARE defending it. The main article was just Bamco being cryptic to avoid saying they messed up. I'm ok with how it works now, but then armor should be weightless, poise/vigor should be removed, and items like the wolf ring need to be changed. It's just lazy and poor design.
Ideally poise would work like a combination of DaS and DaS2 systems. It's really stupid to even bother with armor if you can't tank 1 hit from a weak as fuck enemy. Most of the people complaining that it doesn't work just want PvE to work like the old games where a variety of builds were viable.
>>337279906
You're acting like hyper armor has a random chance to activate, what are you doing. The point of hyper armor isn't just not gonna work.
>>337279817
Yeah, because I timed my attacks/rolls poorly
I like how you ignore the time stamp that I provided
Here here little Timmy, lets do it together now.
Okay, open the video up. Now go to aprox 4 minutes, 20 seconds. Then press play.
Then read my post again.
Then read your post again that says "hyper armor is useless"
Then feel like a retard and kill yourself Timmy, its better for the both of us.
>>337280047
never said it was random
There are tons of times before 4:21 where he goes to swing and he gets negated because he got staggered on the first hit.
>>337280087
>lets skip all the time when hyper armor failed because he got staggered in the first swing regardless
>>337280107
Then what do you mean by it 'failing'? If it's got a set point of activation you can always time it, hyper armor just doesn't fail like you were saying.
>>337280208
>failing
because he went to swing and no amount of hyper armor stopped him from getting staggered either in a trade or a miss. Completely inconsistent and his hyper armor works maybe 4 times he attempted to swing out of the 10+ times he did.
>>337279906
Hyper armor isn't some magical fucking button you press to insta-win the game you fucking basketball.
I timed most of my attacks poorly and thus, I didn't get hyper armor. I was still getting used to PVPing with that character and I hadn't used almost any heavy weapons yet. I didn't know the hyper armor timings or when they activated.
Feel free to ignore the time stamp that literally shows how hyper armor works.
Its not about the fucking video, who cares. Its about that one moment in its thats relevant right now.
Like, look. If you're just here to shitpost and get epic luls, just say so.
>>337280198
>hyper armor failed
That's player error. The mechanic still works fine as long as you don't screw up.
>>337279915
it really is Demon's 2 then, isn't it?
>people saying "hyper armor literally doesn't work"
I thought /v/ was good at video games and knew what they were saying.
What the fuck happened
Does anyone have that graph of DaS3 Weapons Skill vs PVP Viability that has all of the lewd crops?
>>337280308
Because hyper armor isn't in the whole fucking swing you numskulled plebian. You have to time it nicely to actually get it, and randomly hoping for it doesn't work.
I made those errors multiple times because I didn't know the timings. I made those errors because I wasn't familiar with the hyper armor of that particular weapon.
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>>337280463
>I thought /v/ was good at video games and knew what they were saying.
Like 10 years ago maybe. These days /v/ users actually think "artificial difficulty" is something they can say without getting laughed at.
>it's not broken! It's just really situational! No, really! :^)))))))
Fuck off if I'm in full heavy armor I should not get interrupted by a dagger.
And as far as we can tell, poise does nothing. Actually nothing. Hyper armor, Perseverance, Iron Flesh all function independently of poise.
As for people defending a core combat mechanic being ripped out of the game: yeah fuck off. You may be surprised that there can be a poise system that's not as exploitable as DaS1's system. Like, DaS2's poise. DaS2's poise functioned, was useful, you could build around it, but it was not overpowered and it could be countered if you knew what you were doing.
DaS3's poise just doesn't do anything. A stat on the character sheet doesn't have any meaning. Stop defending bad game design.
>>337280641
>Fuck off if I'm in full heavy armor I should not get interrupted by a dagger.
Yes you absolutely should. Get hit, pay the price. That's how most games are and should be. Sorry you can't abuse a busted mechanic to faceroll through the game without having to learn this time.
>>337263180
>stat which is turned off and provides literally no function, but is still tracked and has items dedicated to increasing it
>working as intended
Jesus, at least resistance actually did something. This is a pretty bad fuck up regardless of whether or not poise would be good for the game.
>>337278296
You can respec so it's a nonissue.
>>337263180
I knew it.
You were all retarded for trusting redditors.
I could tell poise works because as an estoc fag all the heavy armor fags rape me.
>>337280787
>first game
>armor lets you trade hits
>second game
>armor lets you trade hits, but nowhere near as well
>third game
>armor does basically nothing
>VIT is a noob trap
>a ring and covenant reward does not function
>"lel just don't get hit that's how the game should be"
>"it's better this way poise was a busted mechanic except that one game where it wasn't"
epic. simply epic. I bet you think they should remove shields from the game.
So Heavy Armor is basically fuck all useless then.
Thanks From!
>>337276027
You're an idiot.
It. does. NOTHING.
POISE LITERALLY DOES NOTHING IN THIS GAME
It's not like Poise would do anything in DaS3 anyways.
all the bosses would still kill you in 3 hits anyways.
hell if the poise did work like it used to it would make the game harder, you wouldn't have the extra invincibility frames and the distance created when you're hit by the boss meaning you'd get 3shot faster.
>>337280401
But with bloodborne enemies :/
So no.
>>337265108
I really love webms, the are great. But a webm for like 1 second? That seems wasteful, why but make a gif of it?
>>337281707
Well, if poise was turned on, a lot of the early bosses wouldn't have Rolling absolutely required to win.
>>337280787
No you dipshit, go punch a rock with your dick and see if you stagger it but you won't because your cock isn't big enough.
Does anyone else think that the big youtube and twitch guys are toxic for the souls community?
>>337266935
>since there's no difference in defense
what
is there actually no defense difference or does the damage formula just mean it doesn't count for very much? What about shit like poison resistance?
>>337283194
Yep.
Never mind that fact that you still couldn't roll, making you have an equal disdvantage against lighter characters who can still roll fast and often, also forcing you to invest points in VIT instead of STR or VIG.
Nope, It's just THAT overpowered.
>>337275239
I hope poise never gets turned on because this ring will fuck everything up. You have to make a huge investment to get any poise worth mentioning, and this ring comes along and gives that much poise to everybody for free. 20 poise from a ring slot (when Havel's chestpiece has only 17) is absolutely ridiculous. It should only give half that, maybe even less.
>>337283504
There's a large difference between cloth and heavy armor, but a very small difference between medium armor and heavy armor. But heavy armor requires really pumping VIT, especially if you're going to use a heavy weapon.
>>337283504
There is, but it's negligible.
You'd be harder to kill wearing light armor and pumping your VIG way past the softcap than you would pumping VIT and wearing more protective armor.
>>337282935
I think everyone that keeps saying that souls games are really hard and only true gamers can beat it is the cancer. People act like there hasn't been any hard games since the Nintendo. And fuck the people that bear the badge of beating a souls game as an character defining achievement. It's not THAT hard of a game.
>It literally does nothing
>It's "working as intended"
Both of those statements can't be true, unless they have a wildly different notion of what the word "working" means. Because it most definitely isn't working.
>>337268215
Adding poise doesn't take away your playstyle, you bumblefuck.
I've played through all of these games and if I want to get through an area, sometimes I just want to take a shot from a basic enemy and fuck them up. Shouldn't be punished for not giving 100% dodging effort all the time.
Besides, It doesn't dumb down the game, it just adds more options and variety.
>>337282076
smaller file size than gif
I feel like the decision to turn off poise and add hyper armor may have been made pretty late in development, and they simply forgot to remove any and all references to poise. So now they're saying it's "working as intended" without really specifying what they mean by "working" and "intended", hoping people will drop it because they can't admit that they botched something. And it ends up working out for them because rabid Fromcucks will defend that move and the inclusion of a stat that does nothing as a brilliant move by legendary game designer Miyazaki who can do no wrong.
>>337265048
Do they still get page views via archive.is? Because that's always preferable to a text file like pastebin.
>Post yfw Bloodborne ruined the series
>>337284835
I'd say it elevated the series. Being able to tank and spank your way through the game is for scrubs. No shield = better.
>>337263180
>Poise, a stat listed on literally every piece of equipment, does literally nothing and is working as intended.
Seems legit.
>>337285009
This pretty much. [the way I plays souls] is clearly the intended way, everything else is for scrubs
>>337285009
>The only viable builds should be light dex shittery
Nice try Sony pony.
>>337274447
This is my pain right now doing a SL1 run. Have to do a perfect no hit run on the abyss watchers second phase, 1 hit no matter what means death
>>337285553
>tfw I just got done wrecking a bunch of dex users with Spiked Mace in a FC.
Get good or get ye gone.
>a spokesperson for bandai namco says it's working
>not someone from fucking from software
Yeah nah
>>337263180
>We wanted to make Bloodborne 2 you fucks fuck you we don't give a shit
From are descending into insanity
>>337263180
You know, DS3 doesn't somehow erase the prior 4 games from existence. You can still go back and play those instead, they haven't gone anywhere.
I bet there are still people online in DeS even.
>>337285906
Bamco is probably the shittiest years for From, even if they are the ones they got most popular.
>>337263180
"Poise is working as intended, we turned it off" Well at least they admit this.
>>337267692
>>337268215
>Waaaaa, you need to play the game my way
>You can't have fun unless you dodge!
>Only good people can play my special snowflake game!
That's what you faggots sound like. Fun is subjective, and in the past I've enjoyed dropping my sign down and tanking hits for someone else to help them through. And it's completely brain dead retarded that I can wear armor that weighs 50 fucking pounds and some little shit with a dagger can interrupt my attack. Plus not having proper poise makes normal level greatswords almost completely fucking useless. They don't grant hyper armor, and they're not fast enough.
So I can't go full Tarkus without becoming severely gimped?
>>337286169
Okay? That doesn't change the fact that there's a stat that doesn't work as advertised.
Resistance from DaS1, while hilariously useless, at least does what it fucking says it does. It's one thing to have different mechanics from previous games, it's another thing for the game to just lie to you.
>>337280463
>post 2011 /v/ good at video games
good joke
>>337286430
You can get damage reduction, but after doing a heavy/str run on my first character its totally worthless.
There's really no reason to even go beyond 30% weight.
>>337286510
It clearly works in whatever way it was intended to work. I am pretty fucking sure Miyazaki would notice, "Hey poise seems to be gone, hmmm"
it's obviously just a shitty design choice he intentionally made, and that's why the devs are like "that's all we have to say on it, it is working as we intend it to"
I would be alright with that if it wasn't for wolf ring becoming literally useless. Why not just give it a different effect, like boosting the effect of Perseverance? Bam, fixed. Was that so hard?
>>337286671
They don't even give an explanation of how it works even after half the player base see that poise has no effect.
Even the people who are against this know that its turned off and don't want it fixed. There's nothing "situational" about it.
>>337286962
What are the odds, realistically, that when they say it is working, they mean it is supposed to be turned down to almost non-existent levels like that?
>>337285385
>TREATING COSTUMERS LIKE THAT
>>337285385
Poison resistance is also a listed stat, and it accomplishes what might as well be nothing. Your point?
Fucking nip devs are the god damn worst.
Glass the whole fucking island.
>>337287727
Poison resistance reduce poison buildup...or does that doesn't work too in das3?
>>337287984
It works, that guy is just retarded and failing to make a point.
>>337280463
we lowered our guard and then chanology 2.0 happened and brought in reddit and tumblr kiddies.
>>337269535
This x 1000
so we have a stat that literally does nothing and they never going to fix it? At least fucking resistance stat in DS somewhat worked
I regret not pirating this
>>337266134
>here's a helmet so you don't get hurt anon
>haha I'll refuse the helmet and instead bash my head directly against a wall
>sure showed him
>>337288142
And then you have vit which is literally wortheless if you have no poise to justify leveling it. Might as well get rid of carry weight and let us use whatever
>>337287502
These are the same individuals that re added two covenants that were broken much like in the second game.
If you're going to say a mechanic is working as intended, at least explain how that mechanic works.
>>337283504
>>337283913
It isn't negligible at all, and VIT gives a shitload of flat defense. Fuck off spreading misinformation
If poise is really actually intentionally disabled, what's that little stat that says "Poise:" do? Why would they leave it in?
>>337288279
>nip devs
>having the mental capacity to think or speak
You're funny.
>>337288276
>significantly decreases the damage you take and allows you to equip heavier equipment
>LITERALLY WORTHLESS
kill yourself
More importantly, why the fuck isn't carry weight tied to strength?
>>337288495
A full set of Faraam Armor is pretty heavy and provides about 25% damage reduction.
So yeah, worthless.
>>337288597
The vit stat itself increases defense, and weapons have weight too you fucking retard
>>337288705
>has to resort to name calling
I accept your surrender. You may go.
ITT: people who dont play the game
>>337288870
>no rebuttal
Why are you even posting?
>>337288870
Fuck off. You're a poison to this community, Afro.
>>337288495
>>significantly
>>337263287
You're doing the right thing by correcting OP's faggotry.
>I-it's not a bug!
>It's a feature!
>>337289106
Go respec. Watch how much damage you take with 10 VIT wearing rags and compare it to how much damage you take with 40 VIT wearing Havels.
It would actually be nice if everyone in the thread did this so they would stop shitposting about Vit being "useless.
>>337277576
>crystal hail
i have cast this on people who stand perfectly still and it doesnt hit them, 99% sure you are trolling
>great deep soul
you could fatroll past that slow fucking thing, you are definitely trolling
>>337288705
Why wouldn't you just increase health then? No one that plays the game levels vit for defense, the only use it has is to let me fast roll in whatever heavy armor I feel like using. They should have just gone the DS1 way and let endurance rule carry weight, if they decided poise shouldn't be a thing
>>337289212
the onus is on you to provide me with proof, make a sexy webm showing the difference and I'll concede that heavy armor isn't worthless.
>>337277576
>Dark Edge
"Please backstab me"
>>337276843
>upgrading armor
You didn't even play the game
>>337277576
Magic only works in group pvp when no one is looking at you.
That is, magic that isn't Affinity, Rapport or the two Soulmass spells.
Rapport is fucking brutal sometimes.
>>337289381
>making a demonstrably false claim
>u have to prove otherwise :^)
go try it out you lazy shit. or you can do the math yourself
>>337289212
I dumped 20 vit/25 vig just to wear cool looking armor. Tried nameless king in full smough and with farron legion set. Both times I got 3 shot regardless.
>>337289436
You're a fucking idiot if you took that as literally upgrading armor.
>>337289483
>only 25 vig
>complains about getting 3 shot
>PVP in DaS1 made everyone Iron Man
>PVP in DaS2 made poise balanced for the most part, but light armor was still viable
>PVP in DaS3 consists of nothing but rolling sideways and backsteps until someone makes a mistake and gets hit once then repeat
>The fact that everthing staggers you removes the point of heavier weapons bar hyperarmor, heavily favors quick R1 attacks and weapons with reach
>Weapon builds consist of nothing but Halberds, Rapiers, and Straight Swords
I reached max Blue Sentinel Rank in DaS2 on the PS3
this is just fucking depressing
Im using the Pickaxe, and even if I win, every match just ends in four landed hits
Combine that with those "lol wacky/glitch meta" videos that come out every few days that flood people with using them, it's not enjoyable in the slightest and I hate the system in its entirety
>>337289381
>the onus is on you to provide me with proof
No it isn't.
>>337289350
Because health suffers from severe diminishing returns, and defense increases the value you get per point of health (and per charge of estus). You know, the same as every other RPG ever made
>>337263180
>linking kotaku
Please stop making threads.
>>337289571
I miss DS2's pvp honestly. The sheer variety in builds and strategies was mind boggling.
Now it's estoc/straight sword + cestus and r1 spam. Every fucking time.
>>337289548
27 is the soft cap. You dont need more than that. My point still stands. Heavy armor is useless
>>337277576
I use GHSA, Flashsword and Affinity. The trick to it is to know how to use them, don't expect the spell to do all the work.
>>337289596
>the fact that armor is useless is accepted by the entire community at large
>faggot comes in "it's actually really useful! levelling vit has worthwhile returns!"
>no proof
>says he doesn't have to give proof
Go away.
>>337289381
>the onus is on you to provide me with proof
might want to retake that freshman philo class friendo
>medieval setting
>armor is dumbed down
>literally cant upgrade armor
>poise does not exist
Why?
what level and weapon upgrade level do i want to be at for the catacombs? im making a pyromancer for invasions and im thinking sl45 with a +4 weapon, i assume pyromancy flame counts so my weapon and flame will be capped at +4 for lots of invasions? should my SL be lower?
Hopefully the poisefags shut up now
>>337289731
>the fact that armor is useless is accepted by the entire community at large
>source: my ass
Armor and vit are not the same thing anyways even you weren't full of shit. Go backup your save and give it a try bud.
>>337289671
DS2 build variety only got good after the DLCs. Back then, it was only thrusting swords, Syan's fuckery and greatswords, everything else was shit. Lance game was there, but only got popular once people got Yorgh's spear.
>>337289820
get with the times grandpa
>>337289883
+3 works fine with me.
They really should tune down weight for heavy armor and gimb some of the defense. I want to play as cathedral knight
>>337289731
>proof
just play the game you shit eating retard, havels armor makes you take like half the damage as being naked
>>337289941
It got even better with Scholar. Clerics were sadly gone since they got nerfed into the fucking ground but every duel, every invasion was different.
>>337289883
+4 is large titanite level right? I don't think you can get them by that point, on a normal playthrough I mean. If you do cathedral first you can kill the giants for large though.
What i'm saying is that people just playing through the game probably won't have +4 at that point, and you can only invade people with +4 too, right? If not nevermind
>>337290106
That's why I am saving my judgement until all the DLCs are out. It always makes the game better by a huge margin.
>>337290280
If you are in the Catacombs, you can go into the Demon Ruins, where they start to drop, the lake is peppered with them.
>>337290068
Compare Havel armor to Knight armor.
The reason Havel cuts off25%damage compared to naked is because at naked it's at a 0%
It doesn't surprise me that they opted for LOLSTUNLOCKS yet again.
Also, are you people forgetting that outside of the rare PvE, poise does nothing in Dark Souls 2 as well? Whatever poise frames you got were purely either ones on your roll, or none at all since they were too little and the natural lag on PvP made them even less, which is why in DaS3 you get quite a bit more so it actually works.
But other than that, poise didn't do anything. I'm not quite sure WHY they even included the stat this time around. FromSoft has a boner for bullshit stunlocks, and i highly doubt they will ever make any public announcement as to why the fuck they included a stat that does nothing.
Makes no big difference to me since I use heavy weapons, so Estoc or Darksword shitters aren't really an issue.
Calling it now, one of the DLCs will be going to the past like Artorias of the Abyss, except you'll find Ornstein. The DLC will be called Ornstein of the Ocean's Deep.
We'll finally find out what happened to the last of Gywn's knights.
>>337290280
the skeletons in the catacombs drop regular and large titanite, you could get a +6 weapon there if you wanted to. i am more concerned about fast pvp and not waiting forever in between matches so i'll probably give +3 weapon and flame a test first before upping to +4
>>337289671
>Main build with Syan Armor and Mastadon Hablerd with Miracles
>Have fun invading as a Blue Sentinal with this
>Make a joke build with Xanthous Crown, those blue pajama robes, Channeler Trident+10 and that lightning spell that casts bolts around you
>Is actually fun as fuck to use
>Create a wrestler looking build with the bone fist and stone ring
>Spam Warcry after every dropkick
>Fun as fuck to use and messaging people on the PS3 saying nothing but "THE CHAMP RETAINS THE TITLE" to my victims
>Literally nothing comes close to this in DS3
fuck you fromsoft good lord
>>337290068
>being naked
Yes, people have proven that there's a significant damage reduction when comparing NO ARMOR to any armor. But every class has enough VIT to equip some kind of armor, and the difference between the lighter/medium stuff (which requires little to no stat investment) and the heavy stuff (which requires significant stat investment) is trivial, or at the very least worthless to the point where you'd be better off spending points in almost any other stat relevant to your build.
>>337272597
>changing weapons in fight
Why should I listen to this guy ?
>>337290647
personally i beat dark souls 2 once and got bored and never played it again.
i have 653 hours in dark souls 1, and 140 and climbing in 3.
Is the PvP in this series still a meme, or do people actually enjoy it unironically?
>>337290704
>he can't understand the benefits of using 2 weapons
>>337290704
>he doesn't switch weapons
christ, what the fuck is this? amateur hour?
>>337290875
low level pvp when the game launched was pretty fun, until the estoc meta came along, or the twinks with dragonslayer/yorhm weapons showed up
>want to try out a Grim Reaper build
>everyone tells me scythes are shit
>mfw
>>337289941
This. I remember those fucking greatswords with more range than spears and sweeping at almost 360°.
People also forget OP magic and havel spammers. There was like 1 out of 10 fights were someone came with an original build
>>337290979
Difference between damage taken at 35 VIT full Gundyr's, and 20 VIT full Firekeepers vs. Pontiff Knight (same attack). Difference is fairly significant, looks to be about 20% eyeballing it since I didn't check my health. Definitely worth the stat investment once you've softcapped heal since it increases the efficiency of estus
>>337263287
Good on you.
>>337290704
The average dark souls 3 player every one.
>>337290979
He didn't have two weapons equipped, he went into the menu to equip another one
>>337291115
I bet you equipped great hammer just for when you parried in DaS 1 you faggot
>>337263287
Looks like the cucktaku faggot got upset he's not fishing any more clicks from /v/ today
>>337291197
I like the scythes' moveset, don't think they're bad. The only problem with the grim reaper build is that they decided not the include the gold hemmed set, such a shame
>>337291428
I've never done that, but if you are whining about it, it means you were on the receiving end,and you are bad because of it.
>>337291659
Set of Prayer is at least similar.
>>337263180
I still find it funny that so many people--SO MANY PEOPLE--thought they knew the programming intentions behind a line of code being present.
If there were a line somewhere that said, "FuckYourMother=0", would that imply that the the game was supposed to fuck your mom, but that it was just "turned off"? Jesus fuck. There could be hundreds of unused, vestigial lines of code left in there. Finding one doesn't mean shit.
>>337291276
>Significant difference
For the 15 points in VIT there I could invest in some faith to get that miracle that leaves you at 1 HP instead of taking the fatal blow and that would be better since I would have enough points to put either more damage or more options
>>337292135
>would that imply that the the game was supposed to fuck your mom, but that it was just "turned off"?Implying they wouldn't be turned on when fucking your mother
>invade someone
>there's other invaders there
>they don't help me kill the host and sit down and watch
>host is just backpedaling, healing and summoning phantoms
>say fuck it, and attack the bitch ass invader
>host and invader gangbang me
Have invaders become so cucked in the head that they WANT their host overlords to keep ganking and winning?
Holy shit
Why did literally nothing returned from dark souls 1, no kindling bonfires, no humanity, warping to bonfires from the start.
>>337292363
Hey, thanks, anon. That was a really nice compliment. I think your mom is hot, too.
>>337290660
Except you also get longer roll distance and you can use flynns ring for more damage
Why does DSIII suck and I want more of Bloodborne?
Lothric made me hate Dark Souls 3. After I learned about the uselessness of poise and being continually stun-locked it only made sense to streak the rest of the game for a faster roll. I'm taking only a few bits more of damage so why even bother?
>>337292540
because you're a casual, bloodborne is the easiest game in the series
>>337292393
Some are retarded but most reds are now evolving to more stable societies in response to the domination of cooperators
>>337263180
Where were you when dark souls 2 was officially confirmed to be the best souls PVP that will probably ever exist thanks to miyahacki?
>>337292468She isn't.
>>337267867
I think it needed a slight buff in DaS3 but it really should have incentivized using heavy weapons like in DaS2 because that's the whole point of being a heavy tank that can't roll. You know, you don't just get BTFO by anyone wielding some raggedy dagger or short sword.
>>337292402
>Why did literally nothing returned from dark souls 1
Come on now
If anything I'm mad they nerfed stuff. Rats don't poison you, skeleton wheels are still a joke like they were in 2. Curse doesn't rob you of half your health
>>337292632
Not him but I found DaS 3 to be a lot easier than Bloodborne, especially when you play it after bloodborne. Everything is slower and you're trained to dodge so
Reminder to wear your Way of Blue you fucking assholes.
>>337292687
Dark souls 2 pvp was trash and poise was cancer
>>337263180
>it's more situational
so this is the true power of miyazaki
>>337263180
>they refuse to comment further on how poise works
i highly doubt it works then if they wouldn't tell us how it fucking works.
>>337292678
i get the feeling these webms are fucking fake
i have sat for literally two hours trying to get 1 single aldrich invasion, then i tried farron for an hour, and got absolutely nothing
how the hell do you get these covenants to work? i am sl120
>>337265298
>last From Soft game I bought
the same thing people said about das2
and yet here we are, highest selling north america namco branch ever
good job retards, falling for the "muh miyazaki" meme, seeing bloodborne being a liquid piece of shit wasn't enough of a warning eh?
>>337292904
More like the power of Bamco.
>>337292989
>SL 120
There is your problem. Try 60-70
>>337293042
bamco publishes the game, hackazaki made the poise stat shit
>>337293040
>seeing bloodborne being a liquid piece of shit
But that's big M's best game, anon
>>337291276
>Calamity symbol
Why not take that off? Probably shouldn't have a defense-crippling debuff when comparing defenses.
>>337293220
yes the pvp is a marvel of game design
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9nzEbt-5dY
>>337293220
Why are you still pushing this meme? Are you retarded or something?
>>337292989
An I forgot but this invasion was crazy. Two reds had already died prior to that, and the two you see there were the next wave.
Host had probably activated dried fingers I don't know, but the cathedral was very active at SL60
>>337293040
Well it just takes time. Now more people will walk away like they did for the previous game. And it will keep growing. The game may sell more, but it's already ruined. Now casuals love it, and its made more mainstream than ever. So you can expect it to stay that way until it finally dies down.
>>337293351
Why do you people seem to think PVP is the only selling point of these games? The single player has always been the better part.
Poise is the Pendant of Dark Souls 3
>>337293137
>Publishers have absolutely no influence over the games they publish
>>337293115
why would i cut my level in half? i need the 70 vitality i have just to midroll in smough's armor with smough's hammer, that's not really an option
are you telling me that literally nobody does these covenants past 60-70? what the fuck happened to the community?
>>337293351
I just see a cool weapon with a wide range of moveslike every other weapon in the game btw
I don't understand what you're talking about
>>337293369
>pushing this meme
What meme ? If there is a meme about BB, it's certainly "BB is shit"
>>337293514
Because they think you can't replay the game more than once and that other builds don't exist. I loathe PvP and I have hundreds of hours in each game, even DaS2 which I hated to death.
>>337293540
The lie just to avoid controversy. Nothing makes me more mad when it comes to game developing.
>>337292632
>casual
>strolling around just fine
>solo first two bosses first easily
>all mobs are shit
Now I'm just lost and all the mobs are like 10 enemies chasing me.
>>337293589
>i need the 70 vitality
Excuse me ?
And yes, invasions drop quite a lot at SL120. It's the range of duels, Farron dies after SL 40 and even there I didn't get to invade much on my second character.
Aldrich faithfuls was dynamic until I hit SL 80
>Just got the game
>It's quite obviously built on the Bloodborne engine
>Getting stunlocked by flailing enemies with butter knives because no poise
>Taking damage even when blocking because "n-no start evading Mr. Miyazaki wants anime combat ;_;"
>Already encountered one Bloodborne-style enemy with a stupid health-to-speed ratio
Does it get better? It does, right?
>barely started das a week ago
>now at the last boss and doing dlc first
>never got invaded
>finally today got invaded
>alright les do this
>some sorcerer nigga
>couldnt land a single hit
>heavy knight high end and str build
>havel
the fucks the point in a heavy knight build if you cant hit anything? or is havel only good for pve? fuck me
>>337293927
No just quit so I don't hear shitters like you complaining after 10 minutes
>>337293867
do you have any idea how heavy full smoughs armor and smough's hammer is? with havel's ring and ring of favor, i need 70 vitality to get a midroll with that gear + my other 2 rings and a cestus for parryingit's a smough cosplay build obviously so going below SL120 would be impossible due to needing 45 str and 70 vit
>>337293867
If he wants to do a Smough cosplay, I'd assume.
Considering that the only point of VIT, armor weight, and poise is to make fashion souls really, really difficult.
>>337293927
>anime style comabt
>standing your ground like a boss and deflecting that giants massive axe as a lanky little shit isnt anime style
>>337269783
This pretty much sums up the entire issue very nicely. No need for any more discussion really.
>>337293867
>farron dies at sl40
will my pyromancer still be okay in catacombs at sl45? i needed to get some more attunement so i can have 4 uses of chaos bed vestiges, but i guess i can drop my hp down if i need to lower my SL
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>>337294118
And here are the Fromdrones, like clockwork.
>Meme pandering and less build options are good things!
>>337270565
Numbers don't mean shit above a certain number, first of all. And secondly, they literally almost doubled their staff during DaS2 development.
It's their own damn fault at this point.
These games need to stop being unfinished.
>>337294217
Why are you listening to that asshole? None of that matters.
>>337294270
if you could actually read youd know what i said as agreeing with your sentiment chucklefuck
i still dont see why a little noodly faggot blocking a blow from a huge ass monster isnt anime style
>>337294076
>>337294115
Well ok but you can forget about invading and embrace duels. Try dried fingers if you want to be invaded though
>>337294217
That's the good range of level actually so you shouldn't haveany major problems
>>337294217
>lower your SL
You can do that ?
>>337294514
Even in Dark Souls 1 most bosses had moves you couldn't block so that's irrelevant.
I just wanna be able to tank common mooks, ffs. Heavy knight class is dead in this game, and that alone makes it a putrid Souls title.
>poise will help fast weapons its rly bad trust me on this guys hyperarmor is da bes!!
Tired of this meme. It does not reward R1 spam, it gives slow weapons a fucking chance to fight back. When 3 phantoms are R1ing your shit in there's absolutely nothing you can do. Hyperarmor won't save you from that shit.
And why do strength weapons need to be the careful, methodical weapons? They're already fucking slow, normally strength weapons are the gorilla mode, and fast weapons have to play smart and whittle their opponents down. As it stands, it the opposite, you need to bait people into your incredibly slow attacks to succeed at all with a strength weapon. If your opponent is smart he will literally wait for you do to anything and punish it.
WHY WON'T THEY FIX THE FIRELINK ARMOR
I DEMAND A NEW MESH AND TEXTURES, THIS SHIT LOOKS UGLY AS FUCK
>>337270437
Sadly that's not the only thing unfinished about this game.
>Less bosses, whilst still having several shit bosses like the Cursed Tree, several rehashed Asylum Demons, and of course the Dancer who was built for a completely different game. Piss easy on NG+ when every attack doesn't instant kill, but completely broken on NG even later into the game because all the games good weapons, miracles and spells are held back behind it. The fight also being completely inconsistent, sometimes piss easy, other times literally wailing out of control combo after combo until the player literally has no stamina left to work with being forced to take damage.
>Magic being so nerfed as to be useless until the very end of the game.
>Complete lack of variety as the game is more linear than DaS2... somehow.
>Even branching paths are scarce and complete dead ends.
>Less areas and yet only a few areas are truly great. Still have many shit ones, like the big open swamp... again, Demon "copy-paste" ruins, and Profaned Capital are a few.
>Even more sad is that secrets, while some good, are largely underwhelming because they once again forgot rings like the charred ring for lava traversal, meaning they couldn't make better use of lava in the game. And not exploring more with water like old King's Field games did. So many areas are literally the same fair... once again.
Just a huge blunder honestly.
>>337270096
Objectively false. Idiots don't realize it's not real hyper armor.
I swear everyone bitching about the poise changes doesn't even pay attention to the mechanics when they play. I said poise was working from the get go, they just changed it. Almost nobody believed me.
Welp. Sucks to suck.
>>337286404
>>337270173
>>337266440
>>337266548
We need a term for you hyper armor 0.1 poise faggots.
>>337272597
This video does promote good points but is also side stepping the issue. No one wants DaS1 poise. We want useful poise. And it absolutely would fix r1 spam of estoc and the like if it were attached to certain weapon types, like DaS2. He's just got repressed memories from being assraped by GiantDad's honestly.
>>337293927
>>Taking damage even when blocking because
you're using <100% damage reduction shield
>>337296218
Not to mention that making giant weapons faster or stronger would help solve this issue more as well.
>>337295061
>It does not reward R1 spam, it gives slow weapons a fucking chance to fight back.
It doesn't reward R1 spam but it does reward running through your attack to backstab you
