Less than two weeks boys!
Which army's campaign are you playing first?
Guesses on first race post release?If you play WHFB, which army do you collect/play?
Orcs & Goblins
SkavenNight GoblinsFuck Age of Sigmar & Games-Workshop
what is the best total war game to start with? From gameplay I've seen, it just looks like you thrown armies at each other and whichever one's better wins. Where is the skill in these games?
>>337261325
I'm opening with Green Skins.
It is the only correct choice.
>>337262912
My nigga
Waaaagh! Is the only acceptable choice.
Hey OP, can I see your WHFB army? I like seeing peoples armies, don't worry if they're not all painted.
Daily reminder that the only objectively wrong race is the meme-race:beardfags
>>337263605
Dwarfs? Empire guys have beards.
>>337263741
I should have been more specific. Yes dwarfs. Fuck all dwarfs.
With their shitty axes and their shitty books of grudges.
They'll be the first to go in my first campaign.
>Fuck AoS
>Fuck GW
Can you explain to me, OP, why a company, who is profit driven, would support a product that didn't sell that well? WHFB dropped out of the Top 5 model products in 2013, 2 years before AoS. There is a reason it happened.
But why do you care? How does AoS affect you? If you got an army (I doubt it, most people who complain don't) then you can play WHFB 3rd-8th (1st and 2nd don't have many rules, but I doubt you'd know that). Or you can play AoS. If you don't have an army, as I suspect, you can just play Total War, which is a million times better than buying models and not seeing them actually fight.
Protip. CA asked GW to do Warhammer Total War in 2005 and they said 'no' because they thought it'd impact model sales negatively. The reason we have WHFB Total War is due to WHFB being changed.
This was also reinforced by the terrible sales of Mark of Chaos and Deathmarch.
>>337261325
I used to play tabletop, really enjoyed painting Bretonnians and Vampire Counts but played Orcs.
I think I'll play Vampire Counts first.
>>337263934
I want to play them as I like making max armour dudes and seeing people struggle to bring them down. I also like gun lines. I'll probably do Chaos first, then Empire, then Dwarfs, then Orcs then Undead.
>>337263548
Not OP but I still have my greenskin army in storage. Was going to take it out but Gamesworkshop and this age of sigmar bullshit.
>>337261325
Will there be Dark Elves?
I'd really want some Dark Elves.
>>337264370
>wanting Fagelves
Slay thyself.
>>337264370
It's likely going to be expansion.
DWARFS DWARFS DWARFS
>>337261325
>which campaign first
Like with every Total war game ever, it's only worth playing the campaign once. It's pretty much the same exact shit regardless of the faction you're playing. After the first run you drop the game for years, and come back after it's been modded to hell and back.
>>337264039
>How does AoS affect you?
-no more official in-store whfb games
-you now need friends who give a shit about whfb if you want to play
-all friends are fucking normies who don't even like vidya let alone tabletop
>>337264556
GIT A LOD A DIS STUNTY
>>337262737
The skill comes in when the odds are pretty much even. The skill in the campaign comes in expanding and building armies as quick as you can without causing your empire to collapse in on itself.
>>337264445
I started playing them when the the edition came out. You know the one with new Witch Elves models and it was massive fun.
>>337263548
It's not much anymore. I've sold off two armies and picked these guys up recently to play with my buddies whenever they're interested.
>>337264708
Not to forget AoS is boring as shit. All the great lore and characters they've built over the years got pissed on.
how strong is Bretonnia from lore standpoint? they don't seem to have anything big, flashy or magical shit
>>337264674
Why would you not want to try each army if the game is fun? What you posted doesn't really make sense to me.
>>337264708
In my store people still play both WFB and AoS.
>>337264771
>night goblins
You are truly a man of distinguished taste.
>>337264370
I thought it was pretty bizarre that they didn't include High Elves & Dark Elves on release.. Especially due to how crucial they are to the story of Warhammer.
They'll probably be the first if not second set of races to be added.
orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks
>>337265013
Well they are going to do expansions but it seems they may do content in between those major releases. They could interject eleves in there somewhere.
>>337265013
>ABSOLUTELY INSISTS ON BEING A FAG ELF
>DOESN'T EVEN MENTION THE ONLY HALF-WAY DECENT ELF RACE
>>337264890
Because there are not enough differences between the factions. You always get light infantry, heavy infantry, light cavalry, heavy cavalry and so on, just with different names and slightly different stats.
2 weeks to release?
great! that means its only a year till you can buy it
>>337264708
My store plays both. But, that's probably due to manager.
WHFB wasn't very popular from about 5th onwards.
>>337264841
>WHFB
>35 years old
>AoS
>1 year old
>WHY ISN'T IT AS GOOD AS WHFB?? :(((
Liking 'lore' doesn't pay the bills. Reading 1d4chan or Lexicanicum doesn't give GW money.
Two choices:
WHFB dies (it was legally indefensible due to Chapter House)
AoS reboot.
It sucks, but that's life.
>>337265189
have you not kept up with the development of this game? the big reason they don't have the core races in the game is that they were gonna fix that exact problem, and make races distinct from eachother.
>>337265268
SHUT YA MOUF GIT
>>337264674
Each race plays different, has different winning goals and play styles. It's like you don't even watch the videos son.
>>337264868
I don't know how "strong" they are really. They are definitely "magical" in that they pray to some Lady of the Lake they think is a god, but is really just a magical elf.
They are a mostly Calvary based army with huge trebuchets supporting (Not sure if they'll have them in the game).
>>337264674
In Historical Total War there are 6 skeletons.
Infantry
Cavalry
Horse
Dog
Elephant
Camel
In WH:TW, it's about 35ish. There is lot more unit depth. I don't know in Historical Total War there were flying dragons, magic and vampires, but maybe you played a different Total War game ot me.
That's different enough.
>>337264771
Awesome. Fanatics are pretty good in AoS. AoS has got points now, I believe. So I'm more likely to play it now. I need to finish my armies thou. I need to buy some OOP DE models from recasters, but I don't know how to contact the recaster now he's stopped taking new orders.
How does online work in these games? I've never played a Total War game
>Radeon 6800
time for an upgrade
>>337261325
>Not playing vampire counts asap
>Not having a spooky skeleton army that gets new ranks over the course of a battle
>>337266084
Hotseat, but online. If you're playing co-op, you can give some of your units to your partner so they can control them in battles.
>>337266143
Wait a few weeks/months and grab one of the new 1070s or 1080s.
>>337266084
well you can just play battles and than there are two co-op modes I never played them though so no idea how coop works, I think you can give the other player control of some of your forces whenever there is a battle during your turn and there is also a mode where every battle is between you two, but again I may be wrong because I never played coop
>>337265359
>>337264039
Even if you defend the decision to remove WHFB from GW's perspective, there are no excuses for the shit they're pulling with AoS.
Why isn't this called "Total Warhammer" that's the only reason I'm not buying this
>>337264039
lol
>>337266531
http://www.pcgamesn.com/total-war-warhammer/why-isnt-it-called-total-warhammer
tl;dr: They both need to protect their IP
>>337266464
What the fuck is this shit?
More please!
Anyone here who plays that tabletop game wanna throw me some advice?
I wanna paint some WHFB stuff as a hobby away from whatever else I do but everything is so damn expensive on GW- where can I find the supplies Id need that won't rape my wallet and where can I find FB minis now that they aren't on GW
>>337266464
I agree, but that honestly is not that bad. I've seen worse in WHFB. That place is just one tiny speck of a huge place. Something like you couldn't visit the whole of one land in 10,000 years and see everything.
It's only a year old, I'm waiting for more shit to see before deciding. WHFB had crazy and stupid shit too.
>Albion
>Forge of the Old Ones
>It's literally where Nottingham is
>Isle of Wights
>Where Isle of Wight is
>Lustria
>Sentinel of XETI
>SETI Station
Not defending the laziness there, but if I discarded WHFB in 1st edition (it didn't have any fluff at all) or 2nd (the same) I would have missed out on 20 years of fun.
>>337265189
everybody laugh at this dumbass who doesnt pay attention
>>337266735
It's a tiny bit of Land of Death. In AoS, all the magical lores formed their own 'worlds'. Something legally protectable, because Not!Earth wasn't.
It's used to show how bad AoS is, but it isn't anything compared to how bad 1st and 2nd WhFB was.
>>337266790
Just don't start mane
>>337261325
>Fuck Age of Sigmar & Games-Workshop
best meme desu.
>>337265189
Yeah! This is totally in Historical Total War!
All those flying units in the previous Total War were awesome!
>>337266790
eBay for the minis. You may be lucky and find a FLGS that sells some of the older models for a discount. 20% off is pretty standard where I livein the US.
I think P3 paints are cheaper than GW. Definitely don't use anything that's too cheap or it will show.
Do you need specific advice about painting or anything?
>>337266735
Official art from GW. They used to have and still do an amazing art department but they also started to outsource some of the artwork.
>>337261325
>Which army's campaign are you playing first?
Empire
>Guesses on first race post release?
I have no idea
>If you play WHFB, which army do you collect/play?
LIZARDMEN
>>337266921
It's cute that you're going to compare AoS in it's infancy to WHFB in it's infancy so that AoS doesn't look quite so shit, but you're making GW look so hilariously incompetent as to have failed to learn ANYTHING about world building in almost three decades.
Early GW stuff was shit because they were a small and inexperienced company, there's no excuse for that kind of shite just because it's new.
>>337264039
no one cares kiddddddddd
>>337267229
Lizardmen were my first army for fantasy. What a blast.
You have lizards on dinosaurs. What more could you ask for?
>>337267258
Not him, but there is an excuse: a completed incompetent CEO.
Kirby litteraly once said "the rules do not matter"
The new guy is an actual player and fan of the hobby, and has brought in quote a few good changes. AoS getting points for instance
>>337267530
Oh they did add points?
>>337261325
All that dlc they have plans to led to me to cancel my preorder.
>>337267417
>what more could you ask for?
More dinosaurs
Lizards on dinosaurs which in turn are on even bigger dinosaurs.
Like a sauropods megatransport.
>>337267174
Yea what are the necessities like the file and clippers or whatever and what types of paints are needed, I'd think just washes and the regular model paint but I don't know much here.
>>337267530
Pretty much this. The change in leadership has been slowly but surely making GW a better company. Return of specialist games is another sign of this.
>>337267641
Not yet, but they have confirmed they will.
It's to be released quite soon IIRC.
>>337264674
>Like with every Total war game ever, it's only worth playing the campaign once.
Bullshit. As if playing rome in atilla and playing as the huns werent completely different.
Even back in medieval 1 going christian or going muslim led to pretty different styles.
>>337261325
Archaon Chaos probably.
Is it wrong that I want to go Chaos first? I am simply a TW fan, but love the WHFB setting and well... I dunno, Chaos guys look cool.
>>337261325
Since I won't be getting my high elves anytime soon, I'll resort to playing Chaos with Sigvald to fill in my fabulous needs.
I hope he gets a campaign with story n' shit. I want my mission objectives to be stuff like raid a town because their wine tasted like shit etc.
>>337267229
>>337267417
>>337267669
I have 15k or so of Lizardmen. I need to finish painting them all up.
They're also pretty great in AoS, not amazing, but Top Mid tier. 1+ Armour Save Saurus Guard ftw.
I used to have Dark Elves, but I sold most bar Boobie Lady and Malekith.
At least they're the same in AoS, I look forward to new units. I hope for Thunder Lizards, it won't happen, but I hope for it. Or those giant bird things.
>>337261325
>buying & preordering a Total War Game on Day 1
> after every TW game so far needed at least 2 month of patches to be playable
Why do people do it?
>>337268115
No. They're my first. I love making super high Attack + Damage units. Chaos are the most likely to be that. Dwarfs will be the best armour guys. Empire will be best all rounders. Undead and Orcs will be spams.
If this was tabletop equiv, then Chaos would sweep the field. 4+ and S4 T4.
>>337268414
Because otherwise they'll get a version with one of the major races removed.
>>337264556
Are dwarfs homosexuals?
>>337268473
Thanks for the quick info, I wasn't sure if I hop on another faction first like Empire or Orcs for a traditional first-timer then Chaos later once I understand the universe/lore better.
>>337268557
they did change it so you can wait 1 week after launch to read reviews before you purchase it.
otherwise you just wait and get the gold edition.
its not actually very hard.
>>337267675
Bare minimum below:
Hobby Plastic Cutters:
http://www.amazon.com/Xuron-2175ET-Professional-Sprue-Cutter/dp/B001TMZ7QA
http://www.amazon.com/Tamiya-74093-Modelers-Cutter-Alpha/dp/B004C441D2
Hobby Plastic Files:
http://www.amazon.com/Excel-Assorted-File-Set-Handle/dp/B000BRP2QO/ref=sr_1_9?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1462998259&sr=1-9&keywords=hobby+plastic+file
(You could find cheaper than this)
Basic Black Primer
http://www.amazon.com/280713-American-Accents-Primer-12-Ounce/dp/B00KZ6M390/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1462998324&sr=1-3&keywords=black+paint+primer
(You can get this at Walmart for $4, don't get anything expensive. Rust-Oleum or Krylon is perfectly fine.)
I've used this one a lot. $10 is too expensive for it, though. It's like $4 at Walmart. Make sure it's not a glossy finish or anything weird. If it doesn't specify, you're probably fine.
Don't use primer unless the weather is nice. If it's too humid, it'll fuck up the spray and the paint particles will stick together and look weird. If it's too hot or cold, same thing. (Check the can for more info or Youtube)
Look for "high quality acrylic paints."
The trick for painting is to use as little paint as possible on your brush and make sure it's watered down slightly. IE: literally use a 1:3 water to paint mixture. If the paint doesn't stick to the model, add more paint. It's a weird process and it'll take time to learn.
>>337268796
Or I could just pirate it and see if it's worth the money to me, like everyone sensible has been doing for the past two decades.
>>337268932
.. or you could just read the reviews and not dedicate 35gb of data to downloading a cracked version.
but what do I know.
>>337266261
alternatively once the 1080s are released there's a good chance for really cheap 2nd hand 970/980 cards
Super split between starting with Azhag for evil wizard riding a knockoff dragon or Kemmler for necromancy and to play with the old battles mechanic and just roll up on a city and separate a necromancer from a doomstack and raise an entire army of chaff to eat siege defenses.
Also I played Tomb Kings with Arkhan as my leader since evil wizards are best wizards.
>>337267675
Washes are your best friend when you're starting out (and even afterwards really). Don't worry about using too much.
If you fuck something up, leave it the hell alone. Let it dry and just paint over it. No big deal. The more you fuck with it without letting it dry, the worse it's going to get.
Here's my general flow for painting batches of guys:
Paint all base colors on the model.
Apply wash on entire model / areas where wash is needed.
Paint base colors on all raised areas. (This will be obvious where since all the crevices will be dark from the wash)
Apply any highlights I want to do.
That's it.
Take your time when painting. You will be very slow at first and fuck up. Who gives a shit!? Everyone does. Just let it dry and try again.
>>337269049
Which corporation do you buy your reviews from?
I'm never sure which ones to trust...
Game is gonna be too easy until beastmen get added. But once that happens rapid expansion is gonna get killed by wandering hordes forcing standing armies in every province .
>>337267896
this anon gets it, I played every tw game starting with m2 and they all have at least several vastly different campaigns, well except for shogun I guess
>>337268115
I'll play chaos first too
>>337268932
it uses denuvo so good luck with pirating
>>337268932
You do realise it has Denvuo on, right? It's not been cracked, the latest version. Well, the other ones weren't cracked either, bypassed, shitty drains.
>>337269350
>>337269434
Well then that's their loss, I'm not buying a game blind and i'm not stupid enough to fall for marketing disguised as reviews.
>>337269580
Yeah man all those livestreams with no lag or bugs are a total sham.
>>337269331
I form an opinion based on multiple reviews, both from critics and users, I use the week I have to check Let's Plays and YouTube reviews.
So hard. Why isn't it neatly done for me in a simple package? :(
No other businesses allow you to try the entire product and then let you walk away after you've done it. Also, good luck pirating Denuvo. This is the latest version btw :)
>>337268414
>after every TW game so far needed at least 2 month of patches to be playable
Atilla was fine on release.
I know rome 2 was bad but its time to let it go son.
That said i don t support oreordering for any reason.
>>337269580
fair enough anon
>>337269659
>watching a lets play is just like playing it yourself
The internet would be grateful if you would cease attempting to 'contribute' to discussion from this point onwards.
>>337269696
>Also, good luck pirating Denuvo.
I either can or I can't, it's not the end of the world if I can't pirate it, luck isn't a factor.
If it's good enough to get popular, it'll get cracked, like all the others.
>>337269937
>implying that's what I said at all
It's a total war game so it'll play like other total war games plus Monsters&Magic so as long as it's not buggy and the ai isn't extra retarded I don't give a fuck and I can learn both those things from watching others play. I'm not gonna call it terrible if the person playing is a shitter and the machines used for the videos on their youtube channel are already guaranteed to never show issues.
>>337269331
well with a rock solid argument like that how could I disagree.
>>337269580
This decade has had more ways to see a product and form an opinion before you buy than EVER before. How is this hard anon?
Don't buy it then. No other product allows you to have the whole thing. You don't go
>I need a drill
>let me try the drill
>I have no finished the entire bookshelf I made
>I now no longer need/want the drill
>Lol I'm not paying you for something I have
Don't pretend you're pirating it to see how it is, you're pirating it cause you can and there is no legal repercussions and you get shit for free. I couldn't give a toss if you pirate, but this faux "I'm helping the industry" or "i'm trying before I bye" is so fucking pathetic it makes me sick. Just say "I'm cheap, I can, I don't think people deserve money for their work, they're all Jews! Even the code monkeys working 18 hour days".
But I'm sure pirating it and then buying it for $10 in 3 years will salve your guilt (oh who am I kidding?)
>>337269937
But that's the thing anon. The people who 'cracked' Denuvo games... Didn't crack them. They did a bypass which caused performance drains. Denuvo still ran, but it didn't lock you out, so to speak.
Many 'crackers' have said they won't bother. If this gets done, it'll take a few days simply because it's the latest version and the last lot weren't cracked.
>>337270189
Why am I not allowed to have my opinion, why are you so insistent that I transform my opinion of 'try before you buy' to 'those jews won't get my sheckles'?
I have plenty of pirated games I don't think are worth the money, Total War games are generally either worth the money or not worth pirating.
>>337271018
if you can't handle having your opinion challenged, and can't articulate an actual good defence to that opinion, then your opinion is shit.
>>337271181
You're not 'challenging' my opinion, you're simply refusing to accept that it is what it is and pushing your own narrative.
I'll defend my opinion against you when it looks like you're going to be able to handle it without 'sperging out and telling me I'm wrong about my own opinion.
>>337271485
Different anon here. I dont care about pirates but youre retarded if you think that the only way to know if a game is bad or good is by playing it.
I can understand if youre worried about it just not working for your pc but in that case theres refunds.
>>337271858
I don't care if the game is good or bad, I care about how much I enjoy playing it, a score out of 5 stars doesn't tell me that.
