>literally countless numbers of cycles have gone by
>this mother fucker still trying an failing to bring about the age of dark
>>337259882
I'm telling you the serpents are playing us all, he didn't 'fail' because he's playing the long game. Kaathe and Frampt are in cahoots and no matter what you choose to do nothing will get better until we eradicate these snakes.
>>337260312
oi hraaaoogghh don't be a bad chosen and remember the 6 million souls. Now link the fire.
Only Conan can save us from Thulsas Cult of Set
>>337260312
Ds3 throws that idea out the window tho. The fire has been linked thousands of times, kaathe hasn't manged to convince a single undead to break the cycle. He and his dickwraiths have been cucked hard by frampt
>>337261639
Yes, yes! Good chosen! Don't visit the Unattended Graves. There's nothing there. Heh Heh Heh
>>337261639
>thousands of times
Was it ever mentioned how many times this crap has happened?
Really the problem is that even if a lord walks away from the flame some other gullible framptfag can come along and link it.
>this abyss is cold
>why won't anybody believe me
>I bet none of these plebs even use a Darksword
>these screams are too loud
>my neck hurts
>I wish I was at home chewing titanite
>>337262116
>framptfag
Ignore this poor fool. I am Gwyn and your greatest alley, now give me your lord souls so I may con -- elucidate your fate.
>>337262116
That's my point.
>b...but they're just playing the long game...
frampt constantly btfo's him no matter what happens
>>337263057
Except when it doesn't work right?
>>337261639
We don't know that. We have no idea if no one has not linked the fire. We don't have anything saying it has never faded before.
>>337263057
I just don't trust Frampt at all, there are too many details left out when he talks to us in DaS. That, along with the dark lord ending where they both bow to you, is why I think they're allied and playing some other game than what it seems.
If they're not allied then Frampt is just a pussy who switches sides the moment he thinks he's been defeated.
>>337263485
>>337263628
Speaking of the ending has anyone forgotten that there's more than 2 of them bowing to the dark lord ending?
>>337264057
I have not. I'm also not convinced they are different creatures.
>>337264662
or aspects of the dark itself. Such as there's a soul of the first flame maybe a soul of whatever the hell they are.
>>337264925
Nah, they existed even in the Age of Ancients.
>>337264925
I assume they are like dragons and existed before the first flame.
>>337265034
Right, but dark and light predates that.
>>337261639
>Darkness will shortly settle. But one day, tiny flames will dance across the darkness.
Breaking the cycle doesn't do shit, fire returns anyway. It may have been broken countless times already.
>>337265119
Nah, back then, there was only archtrees and fog.
Light and Dark came with Fire.
>>337260869
heh
>>337265262
Oh thank you. I forgot about the fact the serpents are really the annunaki of sumarian time introducing fire to man to intentionally cause disparity against an ancient race of immortal dragons that cannot die to spread such disparity.
>>337265262
This and dragons.
This does seem to be the first cycle where someone finally thought "Hey...what if we just straight up take the fire?"
>>337265689
Snakes are kind of dragons, maybe.
>>337264662
somebody show this picture to fromsoft so they make it the last DLC
>>337265804
Serpents are imperfect dragons.
>>337265886
From my perspective dragons are imperfect serpents.
>>337261639
nah, they have probably succeeded many times but the age of dark is just as temporary as the age of fire. All it takes is a single undead fucker with a modicum of intelligence to gather strong enough souls to link the fire to fuck up their temporary darkness
What was your reaction when you first saw this prick? I thought OH SHIT, pretty terrifying design.
Just how long have the cycles been happening?
Keep in mind that the geography of the region has changed drastically. Mountains have eroded a way and new ones have sprung up, old cities are dust and new ones in their place.
Has this shit been going on for millions of years?
>>337265996
From DaS:
>The serpent is an imperfect dragon and symbol of the Undead. Its habit of devouring prey even larger than itself has led to an association with gluttony.
From DaS 3:
>A gold ring depicting a snake that could have been, but never was, a dragon.
>>337265996
>Subtle Anakin posting
I like you anon
>>337266216
maybe, hard to believe technology wouldn't have advanced during the several ages of fire though
>>337266160
I was just grossed out by the teeth
>>337266216
In a world of magic, this doesn't mean much.
Gwyndolin made an illusionairy sun that was sustained even if you kill him.
Great wizards might be able to terraform the landscape
>>337266216
I wouldn't say the lands your on are more from millions of years of wear down. I get more the impression that each area is part of a time lapse. Different areas from different areas. I forget which NPC says it but basically because of the flames near dying having been relit so many times it's making everything crazier then it usually is.
>>337266282
society completely fucking breaks down every time the fire fades. it's a wonder that even basic metallurgy survives. Every time someone links the flame people have to just pick up the pieces, and all the knowledge of spells and weird mechanical contraptions and stuff is just lost ancient secrets that people have to find.
>>337266160
"Alright got out of that ladder infested swampy hell hole once and for a- the fuck is this then? The FUCK is this? Do I hit it? What if it's nice? That thing can't be nice. I guess I could walk up and see if it attacks. It's not attacking. Does it do anything? Fuck it's creepy. Maybe I jump down its hole. No that would be retarded. Walking around it seems to do nothing. The fuck am I miss- oh there's a talk prompt. Okay."
>>337261639
What about the dark Firelink shrine? It's basically implied that it's a glimpse of what a world in darkness looks like.
Haven't bothered a lot with reading item descriptions yet, so what the fuck is up there being 3 versions of Firelink? Or 4, if that place where you fight Soul of Cinder is the same place.
>>337259882
I'm pretty sure you can bring the age of dark in Dark Souls 3.
>>337266160
I missed him until I returned from Anor Londo. I approached with shield up and kept excpecting him to lunge at me.
>>337266856
What's the third one?
How did this fucker just go and devour some gods?
>>337267461
They were already weak/dead.
>>337267461
He's strong enough to link the fire, so he is one of the strongest guys around.
Our character kills gods so I don't see why someone like he couldn't.
>>337267461
How did this fucker just go and defeat some gods?
TFW the serpents get more and more powerful after every cicle
Is there actually going to be a Primordial Serpents DLC or is that just a /v/ meme?
>>337268335
Londor is a likely DLC location, which means Kaathe. Not to mention Frampt's connection to Lothric which is hinted at but unresolved, in the same way Dusk hinted at Oolacile.
>>337268335
We don't know. Many people want more on the serpents though, since they seem to be at the center of the entire story of Dark Souls.
>>337267923
Because the "gods" are fucking weak
Gwyn couldn't even handle a few dragon asses before bitching out of Izalith when a literal who human sealed it in it's bedroom
>>337259882
What actually is their goal?
>prolong the age of fire, entering another cycle
>cause an age of dark which will eventually disappear thanks to a new fire
Are they just maintaining some weird status quo? Is lord of hollows ending the only "good" ending?
>>337267461
His lower half is obviously Nito, so probably he just hate the corpose you killed in DS1
>>337267461
Dark Souls "Gods" arent half as powerful as one can imagine by their status.
I dont know about Nito, but its confirmed that Gwyndolim was already sick and weak, and to top it Sullyvahn himself beat him up so Aldrich could eat him.
>>337268638
It wouldn't surprise me if the whole cycle is some cruel joke on their part. I bet they were the ones who even told Gwyn and co to go after the dragons, and to take the flame.
>>337268597
>Takes sarcasm seriously.
You're fun at parties, I bet.
Kaathe and Frampt told you half-truths, they are both bad and liars and I think they are working together.
I bet they started all the flame shit in the dragons era and now are playing with humanity.
I hope we can kick them ass in the DLC's, Miyazaki pls.
>>337268953
This is the worst party you've ever thrown.
>>337268638
letting the flame fade and cuddling in the dark with firekeeper is the good end
>>337269195
Y'know, doesn't DaS 2 kind of hint that they can be killed or at least beheaded? There's those shrines after all.
>>337267461
Gods in dark souls are just another race, they are more powerful than most, yes, but not invincible or more powerful than the strongest ones in other races.
The age of dark is not eternal though,maybe some guy decided to break the cycle but then another dude killed him and linked the fire again.
The lords of cinder are neglecting their duty too,they said "fuck it,i won't link the fire again..i'm going home"
>>337266782
Basically this.
Friens were watching me play an laughing their asses off as i did that.
Playing these games blind and being surprised by every goddam thing is pretty fun.
>>337267461
>recycle is a priority
Honestly it must suck to have an undead warrior come for you. You know that even if you win it'll just respawn nearby and try again, with slightly better tactics/equipment until you are killed.
Your only hope is to beat it so many times it loses hope and hollows or decides it doesn't want to try anymore.
>>337269909
if the bosses had any sense, instead of killing you they'd try to just restrain you and lock you in a cage or something
>>337270046
Well Seath did this. His problem was having fucking retarded guards for your cell.
>>337265101
They are imperfect dragons, and greedy fuckers to boot. Just read the covetous serpent rings and compare the interactions with them in DS1 to get an idea of their motivations.
>>337270203
It also doesn't help that he went completely fucking mad obsessing over immortality.
>>337267980
post yfw Kaathe will be the final boss in the last DLC and the hardest boss in all of Soulsborne.
>>337268335
Let's hope so,maybe the last boss could be the opposite of Soul of Cinder,an entity created with the souls of all the darklords.
>>337270345
>implying it won't be some crazy hydra of darkness
How big do you think Kaathescockis?
>>337270486
I would be happy with a hydra with primordial serpents for heads.
As long as it plays absolutely NOTHING like the DaS hydra.
>>337269657
Also, why did we have to get all four of them? Did they really need five people to link the fire?
>>337270345
>implying they would ever resolve the story this directly
>>337270524
>implying he isn't the talking penis of a gargantuan abyssal creature
>>337270674
>Yuria mentions Kaathe
>statues of primordial serpents all over the archives
>londor
That's some insane cockblocking if they don't do it at this point.
>>337268674
>obviously
nito was killed in 1 and nothing in the games dialogue or item description supports it, but yeah, obviously.
>>337270884
Cockblocking is the main theme of Dark Souls.
>>337265224
Nope, the cinder takes on Gwyn's presence.
>>337270603
Imagine that the First Flame is like a fire in a chimney. Undead Bone Shards in DaS3 / I forgot what in DaS2 / Humanity in DaS1 are little sticks you throw into the fire, they don't make a great difference in it. Lord of Cinders on the other hands, are like big-ass logs that can sustain the fire for a few more hours.
In both previous Souls game your journey was to upgrade yourself from a stick to a log in order to sustain the fire for a decent amount of time.
In DaS3 however, the fire is again fading, and there's no more logs in the house, so your mom send you outside when it's cold enough to make your balls drop, and ask you to rummage through the trash, see if you can find some half-buried piece of old log that can still burns. And since one won't do, you have to bring a few more pieces and then step in the fireplace and burn yourself alive with them too.
I have no idea if that analogy works because I don't have a chimney but heh
>>337270680
>It snores, and that stench!
>I think its about time I "do" something about it
reminds me of marxism
it'll happen eventually, don't worry
>>337259882
goddammit it's all about the never ending cycle of fire fading and then darkness prevailing, for a time, before the embers are rekindled, reigniting ages of fire for a time only for it to fall someday by a champion of dark.
the untended graves are a peak into what the world WAS like, the Champion Gundyr there never met his fire keeper, and couldn't rise up to link the fire, so instead he stuck around in the dark waiting for a day where new champions would arise to link the fire as a scabbard. of course, by the time we awaken others have linked the fire, like Ludleth, who's covered the Firelink Shrine in illusions.
>LOL CYCLES LMAO
What the fuck is even the point with Dark Souls lore
The shit was complete in the first game and even then it was still implying cycles and cycles and cycles and cycles
2 or 3 added nothing fucking new and none of it actually matters either because its just cycles lmao
At least BB lets you break the cycle of the hunt and put a stop to the night for good, and actually change the world. In Dark Souls you just pick 1, 2 or 3 because none of those fucking matters anyway
>>337259882
>>337261639
Hard to convince someone to break the cycle when 99% of the players never see him in-game.
>>337268674
>His lower half is obviously Nito
Is it? i thought the lower part was the rest of Aldrich because he was a big blob before eating gwyndolin.
>>337271472
Dark Souls 2 was kind of about breaking the cycle.
And Lord of Hollows might be something different.
>>337271472
>not being honorable and serving the fire
>>337271472
>What the fuck is even the point with Dark Souls lore
Now you understand what every being in the souls universe is thinking. Everyone there is exhausted of the cycles but they'll keep going on forever and ever and they can't stop it, the end.
>>337271472
>At least BB lets you break the cycle of the hunt and put a stop to the night for good, and actually change the world
No you don't. Even in Yharnam Sunrise all you're doing is escaping the dream, eventually there will be another like Mergo because great ones will always seek surrogates.
>>337270889
I also killed Gwyndolin in 1, famalam.
>>337267461
Patiently.
>>337272028
>I killed the optional boss who is canonically a master of illusions
well the age of fire isn't exactly lovely either,a lot of fucked up creatures,let the stupid flame fade and be done with it.
>>337271841
He's talking about the ending where yougit gutandliberate Gherman from the dreambykilling himand thenoverpower Moon Precenceand rek him and and somehowturn into a great one, "lifting humanity into it's next childhood."
>>337271841
He is talking about the 3rd ending.
>>337272530
>>337272689
Nothing about that ending says you're ending the cycle, if anything you're just going to restart it as a great one. We already know that shit didn't end well for Pthumeria.
>>337272224
>something doesn't fit my narrative, better play the "it was an illusion" card
>>337259882
W-why is he naked?
>>337272821
>you kill the being responsible for people turning into beasts
>you kill the being responsible for the hunter's dream existence
>you "trascend humanity into it's next childhood"
>nothing about the cycle has changed
wew
>>337273003
wings? wtf
>>337259882
who says Lord Kaathe failed?
>>337272821
>"lifting humanity into its next childhood"
>meaning, new phase of evolution for humans
The Hunt has nothing to do with that, its not beginning the cycle again.
The only time the cycle starts again is Ending 1 or 2, since MP stays alive.
Once MP dies, all of that goes out the door and shit changes drastically
>>337273003
>>337273259
Snekbro is the 'angel' being worshipped in lothric confirmed
>>337273346
>that random player character model kneeling down on the right
What the fuck
For me it shows a knight kneeling
Is it you from a past NG or something?
>>337273580
Anri?
>>337273580
I always thought that was anri
>aldrich saw an age of the deep sea when he took a nap
>founded a religion on this basis
>deep sea = cosmos
>aldrich = eldrich
Bloodborne confirmed
>>337261639
Wrong, he has but it doesn't matter all you need is 1 undead a cycle
You can convince 2000 undead not to light the fire but it won't matter if even 1 does
>>337274081
>aldrich = eldrich
>>337274081
irithyll = yharnam in the past
yharnam is literally anor londo
it's like poetry
>>337273346
It would be awesome if the world actually changed based on your decision and not just a cutscene.
You choose the darklord path and stay in NG,then you return to firelink shrine and the entire game is full of darkness with new enemies.
>>337259882
I'm 100% convinced that the Primordial Serpents are part of a Hydra.
Hopefully the DLC will confirm this.
>>337274081
>the Astral Clocktower will open a portal to the past of Aldrich being a great one in a Souls Universe
>>337267461
He had an entire religion dedicated to him for eating people. Plus Pontiff Sully helping him. A giant cathedral was made for his dins dins. I'm convinced the captured giants are actually his nom noms when gets big enough. . He had a fucking holocaust train straight to his belly. He eat so many people he turned into a black blob because he fucking was full of dark matter(humanity). He burst from eating so many people.
Of course he could go eat Greater humans(Gods/lords etc).
>>337261639
I thought Kaathe's angle, the age of dark, was also a part of the cycle. Is the cycle just linking the fire for you guys?
>>337274228
Irithyll is on top of the Hintertomb Dungeon.
>>337274582
>his eating disorder is so out of hand he literally requires an entire religion of people to enable him
>>337259882
Are the primordial snakes the Jews of the Souls universe?
>>337274741
Don't ask too many questions, Chosen Undead!
>>337274194
Aldritch is still Eldritch in DaS 3's JP version, afaik.
>>337274779
OY VEY IT'S LIKE ANOTHER AGE OF FIRE
>>337274582
Prime Gwyn would fucking assrape Aldrich and Sulyvahn at the same time.
>>337274081
He experienced the song "Long Breakdown" by Oingo Boingo.
>>337270345
>Primordial Serpents getting there hands dirty ever
Bruh no, they are meant to tempt you to do bad shit. They have their dickwraith agents do that for them. Their heavily inspired by the serpent in the bible. When god cursed Serpents the ones we see in real life are supposed to be cursed and ugly. Miyazaki did a great job of making them disgusting for a modern audience.
Oh by the way go eat from the tree of knowledge. Like linking the fire, or getting the dank lord ending, it's a great idea.
>>337274989
if Gwyndolin wasn't sick he'd have probably wiped the floor with them too. Sulyvahn dies hard to sorcery, and I don't think plain slug form aldrich could dodge very well
>>337275184
Fuck either of those choices, I'm gonna walk off with a disembodied burning head.
>>337259882
>No souls game takes place in an age of dark about to go bright, maybe
Just imagine how glorious it would be
>Plays as fucked up mutant hollow bird person squid thing, probably.
>Clothes change your mutations as do weapons. Prototyp/resi evil style weapon powers etc
>Same with spells.
>Lovecraft mixed with berserk on steroids
>Everything is fucked up
>NPC's grunt at you as a form of communication.
>Devolved dark land
>Tower of Latria all over the place. Land of blood tentacle marshs, blood lakes and awesome towers.
>Have to fight of Cinder knights as tiny sparks reappear
>Have to fight feudal culture as it returns with knights on horseback charging you and shit.
>Hollows going mortal and "normal" are elite enemies in this game.
>Full blown WTF bosses that make no sense
>>337275184
>implying the sneks have any effect on it either way
no matter what anyone does the cycle continues, to be fair they've probably realised that by now and just enjoy making the undead think he can make a difference
>>337276171
Yes, yes, the serpents are just friendly lurkers with no hand in anything
I just realized this
>Theres a dragon guarding the sunlight altar in DaS1
Do you think this was intentional?
>>337276259
that's just like...your interpretation famila
>>337276171
You know the Kiln in Ds2, the area just outside it. With the columns with fire on top.
Well those pillars are in the exact same position as the serpents in ds1 dark lord ending.
That area alludes to them and their influence.
Frampt and Kaathe have the same goal. The cycle is part of their master plan. Their absent in DS2 because the cycle is in full swing. They have won.
In DS3 Kaathe has to return because the fires dying and he needs to directly influence things because the fire might actually fucking die.
>>337276580
A drake, but yeah. I want to think that it was intentional.
>>337276643
>Their absent in DS2 because the cycle is in full swing
Or some of them got beheaded if those shrines are anything to go by.
>>337273580
>all of the kneeling hollows being replaced by your builds from past New Game's
i didn't know i wanted this
>>337276580
>Wryven
And I don't think it was, honestly there were dragons all over The first area in demon souls.
Undead Burg heavily alludes to 1-1 world of Demon souls. They probably just wanted to kill the play in a cool way on a big bridge (because cool) and throw in a dragon based obstacle.
Gwyn/Nito/Witch vs the Great Ones
Who wins?
>there's an ending where you literally usurp the entire first flame all for yourself making you pretty much a real god and not some shitty wannabe who only found a small ember like Gwyn
>implying you can't just destroy serpents and rule the world forever
>>337276643
>pillars in the exact same postion
>SNEKS WERE BEHIND EVERYTHING
well shit, you got me there
>>337276580
What is Demon's Souls
Whether you like Aldritch or not, he's kinda based in the sense that he's the only fucker to come up with something outside of Dark or Fire
tfw they are going to connect Dark Souls and Bloodborne in the DLC
>>337266160
These fucks scare me more than anything else in these games and I have no idea why.
>>337276784
Oh wait what, area name? anything I can google?
>>337276784
>implying anything in DaS2 has any deeper meaning or was meant to imply anything
DUDE THERE'S SOME SPOOKY SHIT IN THE BASEMENT DON'T GO THERE, LIKE THERE'S SOME REALLY FUCKING BAD STUFF THERE
>1 skeleton
It was a subpar game. The beheaded serpents were just to look cool.
>>337277082
>small ember like Gwyn
senpai, what
>>337261112
A standard! A symbol! Perhaps on a shield?! Two snakes coming together! Facing each other!But they're one!
>>337277082
But the person who told you to do that serves Kaathe. Like, that isn't speculation, she literally says "Kaathe."
>stupid goyim thinks anything he does means shit
>>337277012
Nothing from DaS would be able to handle the Great ones.
>>337277274
Delete this right now
>>337261639
Each Dark Souls game might take place in a different world (a la summon signs). It could be that Kaathe has succeeded in several of these worlds and 2 and 3 only take place in worlds where the Fire has been linked a few times.
>>337277082
That's very much like Demon Souls 1 "Evil" ending were you emerge as the most powerful demon to exist. There will be only you and colourless grey fog. That is all that shall remain of this earth. (Plus a great old one/tree thing as your pet).
>>337259882
What does Kaathe look like in DaS3? The let's plays I've been watching haven't encountered him. Only his statues.
>>337277126
Hopefully.
>>337277274
Fuck I need to do a Conan run. I wonder what the sliders for 80s Arnie would be.
>>337277274
They're fucking
>>337277279
>But the person who told you to do that serves Kaathe
And what exactly any of them will be able to do at that point?
You're not finding a lord soul among the flames, you're usurping the entire thing, even the darksign in the sky moves alongside you. No matter how strong serpents are, they are not going to do shit to you unless you listen to their lies and fuck everything up by your own free will.
>>337277082
>He thinks having greater power makes him a god. And not just a more powerful version of a less powerful being.
It's like you're a poorly written villain, except you're real.
>>337277150
This thing, you see it in the Shrine of Winter. They also appeared later as the entrance to the two DLCs, which include the Shrine of Winter.
It's nothing major but it's there.
>>337277279
>>337277585
Not that guy but I assume he was talking about the other ending not the dark lord ending
You know, the one where you step on the firekeepers head and take the flame for yourself, and only yourself.
>>337277159
Well that guy was just a map maker, not a warrior, if I'm just a normal guy and I heard what sounds like a fucking skeleton fucking around in the basement I wouldn't mess with it either.
What do you think we will see in the DLC? Londor? The return of the primordial serpents? More time travel shenanigans?
>>337277585
That's what Yuria tells you. Yuria is carrying out the will of Kaathe, so whatever she has you do is what he wants to happen.
Do you really think he's going to purposefully orchestrate a convoluted series of events that will result in his downfall? No. He's getting what he wants, somehow.
>>337277159
>>337277730
>1 skeleton
And then every NG+/Bonfire Astetic, an extra skeleton!
>>337277784
One DLC is about Angels. Frampt as a final villain.
Another is about Londor. Kaathe as a final villain.
By defeating both of them you unlock a battle against a counterpart of soul of cinder, a collective soul of everyone who ever became a dark lord and succumbed to Abyss.
What exactly are the primordial serpents? Are they just malformed dragons from the old age? How powerful are they?
Could someone (whether it be the player or any of the 'gods' like Gwyn) just straight up kill them?
>>337277784
I want to see Londor/Kaathe, and it might be cool to see Carthus ala Crown of the Old Iron King.
>>337277804
So what the hell does he want? I doubt someone who teaches the arts of soulsucking and hangs out in a black abyss of nothing is altruistic.
>>337277638
>There are three serpents manipulating shit if DS 2 is anything to go by
OH FUCKING SHIT, WHO IS THE THIRD SERPENT!?
>>337277991
Description of silver and gold serpent ring states that they could be but never were a dragon.
So ancient relatives of dragons most likely.
>>337277837
>tfw NG+ actually changed things up in DaS2
>NG+ and beyond in DaS3 is literally DUDE RINGS LMAO
>>337260312
There's honestly nothing to back up the idea that Kaathe is going to betray whomever the Dark Lord is.
>>337269909
Doesn't mean that you won't improve with each ass kicking till the undead warrior just pussies out and hollows.
>>337266846
Why the fuck is there an alternate dimension that you can just stumble into? That's terrible area design.
This is the one true ending. Its the only ending that is against Kaathe and Frampts plans.
You can tell because the old firekeeper that is narrating it sounds pissed as fuck. We know that firekeepers fall inline with Gwyns plans so it makes sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00KiUkde08g
>>337260312
what is this about frampt being the manipulative one?
i completely missed all this, when did this happen? i thought he was helping the chosen undead?
>>337278134
Eh, I don't really care too much about NG changes.
I mean DaS 2 had some neat stuff, like Freja attacking you before you're suppose to meet her but that's really it besides "new rings wow".
>DLC will allow us to kill serpents
>inb4 they will pull out shadowrun dragonfall
>inb4 it will completely fuck up the world and they were the only reason it can even exist
>>337278323
They're both manipulative. You are basically caught in a chess game between two serpents.
>>337259882
Fuck the serpents, just chill with your bro Everlasting Dragon.
>>337278323
He's lying by omission. He's not wrong when he says you're Gwyn's successor, what he's not telling you is all that means if that you get turned into fuel to keep the barbecue party going.
And the Chosen Undead is a myth he fabricated. Any undead who's strong enough to ring the bells, get through Sen's Fortress, obtain the Lordvessel and vanquish the other lords is the "chosen undead". It's just creating a false legend to lure undead into becoming fuel.
And Gwyndolin might've been in on this.
How long are the serpents even supposed to be
>>337277991
They appear to serve the dark in truth. An imperfect serpent being the symbol for humanity. And they traverse the abyss like it's their natural habitat.
I'm going to guess that similar to the pygmy, they remain furtive. Which allows them to continue manipulating events without suffering the wrath of Gwyn. Afterall, even Artorias fell to the abyss, what could Gwyn do to fight off a creature in the depths of the abyss?
I don't really have anything to back this up. But I think they're dragons corrupted by and adapted to humanity. Just like other dragons took on elemental properties. Fire dragons, poison dragons, rotted death dragons, electricity dragons, etc. These are likely dark dragons. Hence their humanoid faces.
>>337277784
Two DLC packs. One will deal with Kaathe and New Londo, the other with Frampt and the angels. screencap it
>>337278352
Didn't DaS 2 also add black phantom enemies in a bunch of areas?
Does 3 do anything like that?
So I need advice on Patches' sidequest. Is it possible to find him in the Cathedral directly after beating the Deacons or have I fucked up everything, including Siegward's quest?
>>337278671
all the way to the core of the world
>>337278839
Buy the 20k soul key from the handmaid at the Shrine.
>>337278130
A lot more than 3 senpai
>>337278745
Oh man don't do humanity, even once. Fucking Christ I'd rather do Meth, or the Meth equivalent as a dragon.
>In b4 Seth.
>>337278814
>Didn't DaS 2 also add black phantom enemies in a bunch of areas?
Yup but again not a big deal.
>>337278660
>And Gwyndolin might've been in on this.
Isn't that all but stated? The illusion of Gwynevere directly points you to Frampt so he can tell you what to do.
>This thread
You humans will never understand my plan.
>>337278660
what do frampt and kaathe stand to gain?
>>337275959
Underrated post
>>337278957
Naked Dragon Best Dragon
>>337279013
Do you think hollows taste like jerky? If so what kind?
>>337279204
They do taste like jerky, beef jerky.
>>337279204
Long pork.
>>337279000
I forgot titty monster's exact dialogue, so I didn't want to make a statement that could've come out of my ass.
Is there any reference to the Cosmos or Bloodborne in Dark Souls III?
>>337279464
No but there are BB-esque creepy as fuck creatures born from humanity running wild.
>>337279116
>my mom says im handsome
Did seath kill his mom?
>some people seriously thinking 2 will have any effect on the current stuff
The only way I can see 2 being relevant at all is if Aldia shit is brought up, and I doubt they'll do that.
>>337278930
Dear god, well Ds2 statue aside we only know of two who have been manipulating shit for sure.
The rest I don't know. It's possible they manipulated the rats in Ds2 because rats and dogs also hollow. So there might be something behind that. Like bear with me. How the fuck does a rat assemble authority and create an underground kingdom, how did Gwyn attain power, a deal with serpents perhaps?
Also What if the curse has a biological element to how it's spread. How else could dogs and rats get it? Or my second conjecture what if the pygmies weren't the only beings who dwelt in the dark? what of other animals?
My tin hat theory is they might use Rats and Dogs as another way to get "humanity" or further their goals.
Again this is based off the Rat King and I haven't played Das 2 in years. Are there any solid serpent connections between the rats and P Serpents?
>Mammal Souls
>>337279560
those feels like total easter eggs, at least scrapped BB designs recycled for DS3. Also some BB-like armors like fallen knight, sunset armor and yuria's black set
>>337279464
Theres the hunter ring with a very victorian looking dudes shadow on the ring.
>>337279464
Aldrich's age of "deep waters" could be interpreted to reference the Great Ones, since they're associated with the ocean. (see: Orphan of Kos)
A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea. Accepting of all that there is, and can be.
>>337279573
His mom was probably a tree.
>>337279583
DaS 2 didn't really touch on much of DaS 1 till much later, with Aldia and Chaos still existing well and alive, plus Manus daughters.
>>337279702
He most likely wishes to reduce entire humanity to human dregs to bind the world together as some evangelion-esque LCL ocean
>>337279116
Seath is the school shooter of Dark Souls
>>337266282
Look at Oolacile. That's what happens when the fire fades. People degenerate into baboon things.
>>337279702
What a world that would be.
https://youtu.be/98AJUj-qxHI
>>337279884
Speaking of the daughters of Manus, is Alsanna still around? I liked her a lot.
>when she explains why she sought out the Ivory King and how he may have known she was of the Dark all along
Muh heart.
Anyone ever considered that all the serpents are doing is literally just fucking around with undead, like these guys are immortal, they got nothing to gain from doing anything they do except for keks, like it's a bet between them to see if they can get the 'chosen' one to link the flame or not. Otherwise I don't see any other reason for them to give a shit.
>>337280013
What happened in Oolacile was because they were tricked into unearthing Manus and causing all hell to break loose, with the Abyss spreading outwards from the chasm.
>>337280109
I feel sorry for all of them except Nashandra.
>>337279653
The only time anything vaguely primordial serpent-y emerged in DS2 were the pools you use to access the DLC areas. Those had little broken wriggly's that could be snakes.
>>337280168
Yes, they essentially forcibly shut the Flame off by unearthing the forgotten pygmy.
>>337280135
>the Plague of Gripes cartoon is literally what's actually happening
"This shit is fucked! I'll go find some more dudes to set on fire."
>>337280109
it's implied Karla might be one
>>337279702
>Fire Brought disparity
>Fire produces light
>Light opposite is dark
>Fire is put out by water
>Water is the opposite elment to fire
FUCK WAIT THERE IS MORE
>Estus "rekindles" undead's health bars. Fire
>Llyods tailsmens stop this. Water
BUT WAIT
>Llyods shit all over deep cathedral.
THE FINAL BIT
>Firelink in ds1 actually meant to have more water, with the center being a pond.
>Way of white minster there
So In Ds1 era all the all Lords control a respective element.
Pygmy= dark
Gwyn= light
Witch= Fire
Nito= Death
What if Llyod was water, or more exact the deep? Adlrich and his lot aren't so out of place now.
Also consider how New londo was flooded, to put out the dark flame. Water is the true hidden element of the souls series.
>>337280135
Their reason might be to simply force the world into a constant motion to avoid flame going out completely or abyss taking over everything. They manipulate everything to bring a balance between two of those, fucked up balance but balance nevertheless.
>>337270345
>giant hydra with Kaathe and Frampt as the two main heads, with other serpents on the sides
>darkwraiths surround them
oh god
>>337259882
where are these snakes in DS3?
they were a big part of the storywho am i kidding these games dont have a story
>>337280135
>I told Frampt to trick undead into throwing themselves into an oven and he did, the absolute madman!
>>337280547
There are statues of them all over Lothric Castle, and Yuria mentions Kaathe by name.
>>337275401
Aldia and Bearer of the Curse became best bro's right?
>>337280135
They really like dung, like love it. It might have something to do with keeping the Dung supply in order.
>>337280663
Yep.
They're still out there, up to some jolly immortal shenanigans that we'll never see because "muh B-Team."
>>337280135
The undead who was tricked to death
>>337280358
Witch = Life
>>337280765
BoC has to keep his hat on though, right? Or is that symbolic more than anything?
>>337280886
I wonder what would happen if someone having a soul like Nito or the Witch linked or usurped the fire. The whole struggle seems to be the conflict between Light and Dark.
>>337279887
You know near the end of DS3 I got a weird Eva-vibe. No idea why.
>>337274989
I wish the Nameless king would fucking murder Alderich and Sulyvahn and save Gwyndolin
>>337281036
Oh man souls metaphysics. There is so much disparity. You've gotta remember that the lords set it up/got flames that kept in order.
"Normal" for humans in the souls world is "hollowed". Life sits well with death, we live a finite time and die. We go sleep forever. Like Nito and the witches aren't opposed, they are sitting in a order, they made a system to keep the world going. Gwyn sets up a feudal world and the systems of life and death to boot.
>>337281187
Where the fuck is Gwynevere? Did she die?
>>337281391
Went off to another land with Flame God Flann, may or may not have later gotten married to Oceiros and become Queen of Lothric (though people really hate that theory for some reason).
>>337281170
Not getting Eva vibe but game certainly goes completely mad during the Castle segment.
Oceiros and his madness, creepy flameless shrine with dark sky, darksign sun, pilgrim butterflies, Angels, everything is insanely surreal and a bit scary.
>>337265262
>archtrees and fog
And the great old one.
>>337281187
he kinda looks like gwyn,the crown is very similar.
>>337281036
What does it mean to usurp the fire in the first place?
If the bed of chaos is any indicator, it would probably goes something like that for the witch. Except on a larger scale. Giving birth to demons uncountable, and twisting the living into demons themselves.
But I think it's more likely that the witch is attuned to light, and Nito is attuned to dark.
>>337281187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-5HoAf9G6Q
I don't know where in the video, but Vaati points out the ship masts for Kos boss fight can be seen from the nightmare frontier. Dragon peak also seems to be sitting above the clouds.
It's too similar too bloodborne. This is some warped reality/dream shit.
Basically The peak could be in another plane of existence. So there was nothing he could do.
Also as the family exile I doubt he cared about his family or Gwyn's civilization at all.
He was either trapped in a Pocket reality or was sulking up in a mountain for thousands of years.
>>337281187
He most likely felt betrayed by his own family and doesn't give shit about them.
But it would be amazing if during AL siege Sully and his entire army would get annihilated by a massive clusterfuck of lighting from above because Nameless just happened to chill nearby.
>>337272224
I hope Gwyndolin comes back in the dlc and it turnes out he just used part of his soul to make a clone and that turnes out to be what alderich ate
>>337281482
I think there's enough ambiguity on whether or not Gwynevere is the Queen of Lothric to where it could go either way. It's just that advocates try to say they are one and the same, no contest, is giving people flashbacks to Vaati-fanboys who take his word as law.
>>337266216
The geography's all fucked up because the First Flame is trying to drag the LoC's towards itself so it will have something to burn.
