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Are dota players autistic?
>>337222250
Will the sun rise tomorrow?
>>337222250
yes
I don't think Dota 2 players even sleep
Dota 2 players stay away from casual trash.
The moba fanbase doesn't even like videogames, what were you expecting.
>>337223090
Why do they play Dota 2, then?
>>337222250
does a pope shit in the woods?
yes they are
https://blog twitch tv/visual-mapping-of-twitch-and-our-communities-cause-science-2f5ad212c3da
why would moba player care about shooter shit?
>>337223153
Because they stay away from casual trash.
>SHOOTAN GAME PLAYERS FLOCK TO TRY LATEST SHOOTAN GAME
>>337223254
I didn't know Civ 5 was a shooter.
>>337222250
No, the players may be utterly retarded but still have standards.
>>337222250
>implying valve isn't just pushing out fake numbers for their games
They're so incompetent they probably forgot to generate a fake dip for DOTA2.
>>337223254
>civ 5 is a shootan game
>gmod is a shootan game
>>337223238
>Dumbed-down RTS
>Not casual trash
Look at this delusional fucktard
>>337222250
I've been playing Dota 2 since the alpha
ask me anything
>>337223365
Are there guns in civ 5 and gmod? Do they shoot?
Yes they're shooters.
>>337223238
By immersing themselves deep into casual trash ?
I guess that's one way to do it
>>337223443
>51044 hours
end yourself
>>337223450
I see. Your logic is sound.
>>337223473
>>337223438
Kek, that guy got your asses. Enjoy your defeat.
>>337222250
Dota 2 and moba players are like MMO players. They dedicate themselves to it to the point of it being a job. Its like playing a MMO thats just the same battleground over and over with all the frustration of a battleground as well.
>>337223473
You can get mad at it all you want, dota 2 is not a casual game.
>>337222250
Does he get off thinking he had the moral high ground because a group of people don't want to play a certain game?
>>337223443
how is your blood pressure?
>>337223531
You can delude yourself all you want, Dota is casual trash
>>337223492
>>337223568
That is 5 years and some change, aka its the entire time Dota 2 has been on Steam.
>>337223585
Compared to what? What is hardcore in this sense?
>>337223585
Whatever you say.
>>337223443
On a 1-10 scale how autistic are you?
>>337223510
>>337223336
>>337223238
50 dingdons says samefag
non dota2 players wont understand
its like crack
even if you go play other games you will eventually come back to play dota2
>>337223343
>their games
>csgo is affected
>>337223585
Do explain.
>t-t-this game isn't and its almost the same but a bit worse so it is!!!
No they just dont funnel up whatever the newest and hottest garbage is like a mind controlled chump
>>337223629
Not dota
>>337223585
What games do you play and what are your merits?
>>337223450
Dota 2 also has guns so why didn't their numbers also drop?
>>337223662
>It's like crack
So only homeless niggers and cheap prostitutes enjoy it?
>>337223336
>ASSFAGGOTS
>standards
Sorry but you're an autismo, dota-shill
>>337223107
>existence of God equates to a tangible, calculable event of a sunrise
religious cucks ladies and gents
>>337223652
DO out of TA
He's THAT autistic
>>337223662
shut up retard
>>337223660
>being so absorbed into the hivemind that people with different opinions are a foreign concept
Once you go moba you become too casual to play anything else.
The only thing Dotards can switch to is another casual moba, like LoL or HotS.
>>337222250
Russians and other subhumans don't know of anything else.
>>337223742
>shill
>f2p game
>>337223760
How is being autistic an opinion?
i need help
>>337223568
normal
>>337223652
maybe 3, check it.
You mean to tell me that the Dota community is a core group of insular weirdos who refuse to move on or even consider another game?
>>337223662
Not true. I used to play a lot of dota with my friends, but in the end I saw how shit it was and dropped it. Haven't touched it in two years now, neither have my friends.
>>337223443
What's your favorite flavor of bleach?
>>337223824
How is spouting memes one?
>>337223686
literally 1 gun that nobody plays
>>337223629
>Compared to what? What is hardcore in this sense?
Games that require micromanagement, multitasking, APM or general reflexes, all those things that dota doesnt require
normies on /v/ will never understand why dota is so good
>>337223443
Who's your main?
It's F2P, of course they won't be affected by P2P game.
>>337222250
DotA2 players are human garbage and I am so happy the game keeps them out of any other games.
>>337223848
MORE AT 11
>>337223090
>he plays fucking MOBAs and calls others casuals
MOBAs are LITERALLY on the same level as Minecraft now.
>>337223662
I managed to get out after 5 years.
I still have installed but so far i didn't touched it for at least 8 months.
>>337223881
Is autistic a meme to you? I guess dota players go to a university of memes then.
>>337223848
Despite dota going nothing but downhill in every aspect for like 3 years, valve focusing on esports rather than making things and icefrog having no control of it anymore. For some reason people still play it and spend money in it.
>>337223906
moba games are the most normie games out there, you guillable buffoon.
>>337223892
dota requires all of those though, it's pretty easy to tell you don't even begin to understand how the game works
>>337223906
Only fun thing in this shit game, congrats.
>>337223780
No, I played League since beta for 2 years and grew out of it when it got casualized even more
Same goes for Dota 2 except I played that less
Keep telling that to yourself though if that helps you sleep at night
i havent played dota since the december patch
good fucking riddance
>p-pls play my game
Are blizzcuck the most cucked people on the planet? Like how much of a company slave can you be? Fucking disgusting if you ask me.
>it's a "dotards desperately trying to pretend their game is any less casual than League of Babbies" episode
why does /v/ hate dota
it's a very good game to play and watch, perfect for this generation of gamers.
>>337223682
Dont play much theses days, but I played a lot of Dota(1), SC2, lol, Coh2
Now maybe we werent born in the same context, because when I actually played dota no one actually considered themselves hardcore
Dota players were generally agreed that we were the dude who were too casual for War3 ladder
>>337223989
Bull fucking shit
>>337224026
That was for sure the last nail.
>>337224045
i played overwatch for a day and got bored
it was, however, the first fps in decades that i actually enjoyed while it lasted
>>337223892
Dota requires all of that, but also requires a deep layer of strategic thinking unmatched by any other game today.
There are over 1 trillion possible game scenarios (probably more with the new heroes) and pros are required to have knowledge of them all in order to maximise efficiency and effectiveness. However, since that's impossible, literally nobody alive has ever mastered Dota 2.
>>337224026
I haven't played since 6.82 when PA was ruining my pubs.
>>337222250
Did Blizzard pay everybody to market their shit game? They really are desperate.
>>337223974
>Is autistic a meme to you
Discrediting a whole group of people because you can't argue against their taste in video games by calling autistic is a meme. That's why you see people like you who don't have any other arguments call everything autistic that they can't understand. Ironically not being able to understand that other people have different opinions from yours is a sign of autism.
>>337223443
2126 DAYS!!
I Thought I was bad, Been playing since 2012
>>337224074
>why does /v/ hate dota
It's more about the fanbase than the game itself
>>337224036
>>337224089
nice memes guys
>>337224074
>good game to play and watch
>good game to watch
>"gamers"
is this bait?
>>337224074
It's sluggish to play and a clusterfuck to watch
>>337223986
>not fps
>not sport games
>>337224105
>the first fps in decades that i actually enjoyed while it lasted
I don't want to know what other fps you play.
>>337222250
This is actually quite flattering to Dota 2 players.
>>337224074
>perfect for this generation of gamers
so it's terrible to the core?
>>337224049
Yeah, we know that /v/ only consists of the most elite hardcore games out there, that's why we had 30-40 threads about Overwatch at any given time in the catalogue.
>>337224198
congraturations , that's the holy trinity of normiehood
>>337224202
What other fps is there?
>>337224074
Because mobas are the shitties genre to ever infest video games and DotA is no better than LoL in both gameplay and community.
best game ever
>>337223443
So many hours per day is that? How many hours per night do you sleep?
10k hours is roughly equal to 10 years of 8 hours per day. But I don't think Dota 2 has been out for 50 years.
>>337224049
>it's an anime bait post
>>337224132
I'd say a lack of taste is a surefire sign of autism.
I wish I could enjoy mobas, but all my experience with them has been the dullest thing possible
I don't get the point of a vs game where the idea is run around a map for 40 minutes to then maybe have a 30 second fight
>>337223734
And I thought my 2k hours are depressing. Well, atleast I know someone is more autistic than me.
>>337224261
I would rather play this than current dota fucking hell.
>>337224221
To be fair, even OW is less casual than DotA just by not being a moba, actually having to at things and there not being any RNG.
>>337224113
I'm honestly not sure if bait
Look a lot like bait, but you never know with valvedrones
>>337224089
>I played squash with my friends casually and it felt pretty easy so squash is a casual game
>>337223443
dota has such a good client that you never have to shut it down, just keep it minimized and it will use like less than 5% CPU resource.
>>337224191
why do people like watching it so much? Fuck all actually happens
>>337224202
well i have massive headache when playing ANY modern fps besides overwatch so yeah
the last FPS i enjoyed was CS 1.6
>>337224319
Nope.
>>337224241
league is normie but dota isn't really
>>337224319
now this is bait
>>337224341
Feel me to counter me then, faggot.
>>337224245
enough mate but your casual fucktard who only plays mainstream shit.
>>337224113
>Stop feeding
>I go mid (fat hook man)
>cheeki breeki
My shit has more strategy
>>337224319
lol
>>337224286
Thanks for proving me right.
>>337224381
So.. none then?
Thanks bro.
>>337224431
Nice argument, retard.
>>337224319
>literally a console port
>less casual
you don't even try shill
>>337224437
That your game is for people of autistic disposition? No problem, bro.
Dota is the BvS of video games
>>337224489
you're*
>>337224369
>>337224368
>>337224434
>>337224478
>dotards thinking they are not the absolute bottom of the casual scale
Your game is no different than League of Legends and barely above Hearthstone.
Go play a real game like Street fighter, Starcraft or CS:GO and get your shit kicked.
>>337224461
Prove me wrong, tell me of your strategies that ascend all the games, Dota wizard
>>337224489
see >>337223531
I think it's a good time to stop since we went full circle.
>>337224458
warsow quake live the new ut
>inb4 b-but they are d-dead I n-need my mainstream casual shit
>>337224542
>get told
>play games that are not OW
haha fucking blizzcuck
>>337224542
street fighter is fucking trash
starcraft 2 is fucking trash
cs : go is fucking trash
Dota wasn't even the best AOS-like in WC3
Tides of Blood was better
>>337224568
True, you can start a match on dota and cry yourself to sleep muttering how it's not a game for people with autism
>>337224292
This probably sounds like a cop-out but you're not playing at a skill level that's exciting. In high-skill matches skirmishes are happening constantly since minute zero, but in low-skill matches everyone is too much of a bitch to try to kill anyone else.
If you're willing to give it another try, pick a support hero and roam around the map ganking.
>>337224346
I actually played dota every days for 5 year, and contrary to a popualr belief, you can actually get bored and never return
>>337224376
Nothing deep about dota or lol, your choices in build, hero and general decision are straight forward as fuck
I have nothing against the game, you can enjoy it all you want, just dont pretend you're doing it because you're "h4rdc0r3" micro-ing your one unit at 15 apm
People who play mobashit aren't the kind of people who enjoy video games, so it's not a surprise.
>>337224657
>t. salty mobababby who can't play anything that actually requires aiming and fast reflexes
>A game that punishes you more than arguably any other game for your mistakes
>a game with shit ton of stuff to know and remember
>a game where you need to constantly be aware of everything that's going on while focusing on your hero as well
>a game that contains a lot of microing
>a game where strategy and team work execution decide games
>a game where one mistake in an over hour long game can cost you the whole match
>/v/ considers this 'casual'
it's extremely ironic since /v/ is full of casual shitters who have never been good at any game and never will be. Their greatest achievement is play of the game in overwatch or beating witcher 3 meanwhile they complain how RNG csgo is and how casual dota 2 is. This board is a joke
But hey at least you were gold in starcraft when you still played right?
>>337224713
>In high-skill matches skirmishes are happening constantly since minute zero
don't try to pull the wool over his eyes, this is not true at all and at any level there is loads of dead air.
That's why they get retards shouting on the mic to try and keep inetrest
>>337224779
i dont even like moba
my favourite fighter is melty blood and i am fucking good at it
sc2 is a fucking mess
csgo is literally downgraded classic cs
>>337224657
Assblasted casual : The post
>>337224675
http://www.autisminspiration.com/public/415.cfm
The way I see it, you only play assfaggots for one of the following reasons:
1: You suffer from brain problems than inhibit you from acting normally in social situations and the only female attention you get is when you donate to assfaggots camwhores
2: You're an assfaggots camwhore
>>337223906
one man's garbage is another man's treasure
>>337224567
The strategy ultimately lies within the team composition. There are other things to take into consideration, such as the positioning of your hero, correct timing on abilities, the synergy and synchronization of your team, but those listed are present in most competitive games. Unique to Dota are item builds, creep stacking, wave pulling, denial, day/night adv, high ground and different damage types like pure, magic, physical and piercing.
Blah blah blah, all of these combine to create a unique and ever-evolving game environment that keep the game fresh and exciting. No one strategy is guaranteed to work a second time when blah blah so many different factors etc whatever
>>337224752
>I actually played dota every days for 5 year
yeah and you were still shit at it, absolutely complete garbage, since you don't seem to have even the basic understanding of the game
>>337223443
I bet you work in fast food.
>>337224542
>CS:GO
holy kek
>>337224852
That's because /v/ played like 2 games of it without anyone since they don't have any friends, fed like shit because they didn't know how to play and blamed their team. Then they unanonymously decided to call it casual trash and shitpost everyone who holds a different opinion of the game into oblivion.
>>337224884
Look at the """"""""""""hardcore""""""""""" gaymer justifying his clicky perkshit
>>337224854
If you're talking about pro matches, it depends on the team. Some teams are very conservative and others are very combat-focused. If you get two of the same you get a game where nothing happens or a game where there's a kill a minute respectively.
>>337223742
>ASSFAGGOTS
>autismo
Opinion discarded.
>>337223443
litearlly kill yourself desu senpai
>>337222250
yes, every dota player is autistic.
just like how every WoW player is autistic.
>>337224941
You seem very confident in this.
>>337224074
We let reddit in and they never left.
Old /v/ used to have great discussions about DotA Allstars.
>>337225064
What?
Are you trying to prove something?
dotards are identical to lolbabbs in almost every way.
the only difference is that they may actually be older though it may not show.
>>337225008
ASSRUINED ASPIE DETECTED
>But it is so hardcore guys you have to remember match ups and then make a counter pick so you have an easy time
>Mad about video games that people play
I mean, yeah, I'm pretty autistic, but at least I'll never be that autistic.
>>337225070
"Hail Lord Gaben" Dotards like you are the only redditors we let in here.
/v/ would become a much better place if we banned all Moba threads.
>>337223662
No it isn't, it was frustrating and as I got better I got more frustrated as my teammates were not
The only times I could guarantee a win was as mid. Any other time my team would fuck it up. I play carry and my supports don't bother to stack or support me for easy kills. I play support and carries fail to take advantage of the perfect stacking and lane control
Worst think was the ranking system. You grind for so fucking long. The initial placement does not put you where you need to be. I was stuck with utter fucking shitters for ages until I got up to people of a similar skill level
The game is a joke, but the bigger joke is the matchmaking and ranking systems. Lazy FPS bullshit which doesn't work for an RPG system
>>337224852
>>337224852
>A game that punishes you more than arguably any other game for your mistakes
Actually punish you a lot less than RTS
>a game with shit ton of stuff to know and remember
less than both RTS and fighting game
>a game where you need to constantly be aware of everything that's going on while focusing on your hero as well
You actually dont, mobas are the genre with the most downtime
>a game that contains a lot of microing
Good job on microing your one (1) unit
>a game where strategy and team work execution decide games
Only valid point
>a game where one mistake in an over hour long game can cost you the whole match
Much less than every other genre
This entire post is a good explanation of the image in OP
You dont care about anything when you have the most brainwashed fanbase
>>337223752
clearly says down there agnostic but yet he call him a religious cuck,
>>337225156
more like if we banned all nintendo threads
>>337223828
atleast you play Rabi-Ribi, so you have better taste than 99% of moba shitters
>>337224960
>You just dont understand !
Keep grasping at thoses straws dude, working real good
>>337222981
I want to fuck that meepo bruh
>Want to start playing Dota
>Download it
>Go online, pick a character that looks cool
>"DUDE ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?!"
>"GG retard on our team"
>"Reported"
>mfw
>>337225121
B-BUT LOOK AT ALL THE STRATEGY IT TAKES TO MAKE COUNTERPICKS
FUCKING RTS, FPS AND FIGHTING GAMES NOOBS, YOUR GAMES WILL NEVER BE AS CHALLENGING AS OURS
>>337225156
Only retards care about Gabe or call him Gaben for that matter.
>Moba
Only retards call the games that.
a casual game by definition is a game you can just pick up and go. You absolutely can not do this with dota, hell most of the players are dogshit even after literally thousands of hours
this whole dickwaving contest of "MUH RTS MUH FPS MUH FIGHTAN MUH MOBAS" is ridiculous. Nobody here has ever been on top on any of those so what's the point? All of them have players who train 8 hours a day and still aren't perfect because of how much each of the genres requires so what the fuck are you faggots even arguing about?
>>337225156
But MOBA (Dota) threads have existed since 2006, anon. I don't think they're the cause of the board's current state.
>>337224852
>>a game where you need to constantly be aware of everything that's going on while focusing on your hero as well
Says the Moba Babby who only looks at his hero all the time while RTS faggots have to look at 5 bases at once while there are 3 different fights going on over the map.
Top fucking kek.
>>337224852
All those apply more to fighting games apart from the team work one, and in fighting games you actually need to do that with good reactions and execution in a much smaller time frame
>>337224352
I never would watch Streams.
But DotA allows you to fail/succeed at so many levels that compilations can be funny to watch. I don't even play it anymore, but watch the videos of two youtube channels.
Dota ruined my best friends life
don't let it ruins yours
>>337225392
>muh rts
autist mad because your games aren't relevant in current year?
>>337224538
lol he spelt it right you dumb fuck
>>337223238
dota is basically RTS for babby casuals
they add in a bit of RNG and everyone pretends it has a high skill cap when 90% of the game is decided in the fucking starting pick
>>337225195
>No
great argument
dota can be literally decided in the first minute with one kill because of the nature of the game and how much it snowballs. This isn't even uncommon. Your mid gets kill on the rune at the beginning, gets his bottle earlier and dominates his lane, gets out of control midgame and creates space to his safelane while dominating the enemy's half of the map, it all leads to their win. If he didn't get that kill his bottle would've been delayed mid would've been more even and none of this would've ever happened
If you seriously argue dota isn't EXTREMELY snowbally (especially with retarded comments like "much less than every other genre") you're simply shitposting plain and simple
>>337225468
>popularity equals quality
I take it Hearthstone and LoL are much better games than your beloved shit game then?
>>337223443
whats your mmr?
i like that everyone trying to say it's not autistic is proving OP right.
>mfw /v/ talks about what's casual and what isn't
I'm asking one person (1) to actually provide proof that he's good at a video game. Any game. And I'm talking actually good
I'm waiting
>>337222250
Isn't Dota played almost exclusively by Indians? I don't believe they have big knowledge of gaming and care for new games.
About 15 years in my country pretty much anyone played only those 2 games - Counter-Strike and Heroes III with little to no concern for anything else. I thinkins Hindu people are similar in that regard.
>>337225520
So you have no argument for "skilled", so you back up to "snowbally"
Smart but snowbally doesnt make a game skillfull, hell league of legend is more snowbally than dota, are you gonna argue that this is hardcore aswell ?
>lost IRL friends to Dota
>lost Steam friends to Dota
it's not fair
why won't they play anything else
>>337225520
Your snowball scenario is countered by mid getting ganked, which happens often when you play a game outside of your shit-tier pub matches
>>337225660
I'm master SC2
Does that count ?
>>337225729
come play dota with us bro
it will be fun
>>337225520
>dota can be literally decided in the first minute with one kill because of the nature of the game and how much it snowballs.
How is this a good thing?
Surely one event shouldn't carry a team but instead you need to have consistently skilled play
>>337225670
>Indians
What?
No
What the fuck?
Russians, SEA-shitters, and Peruvians, yea, but Indians?
Get out of here
>>337225764
Last good SC was broodwar
>>337225520
>starcraft
>make a mistake and lose your army
>immediately lose game
>Street Fighter
>make a mistake
>eat a combo
>immediately lose the round
>Counter Strike
>make a mistake
>immediately die
>have to hope your team mates win for you
>muh super hardcore dota
>make a mistake
>give your opponent some fucking gold and respawn seconds later
Most punishing and most hardcore game of all time right fucking here. The most hilarious thing is that all you said applies to LoL too yet somehow you Dotards consider yourselves above the LoL fans.
>>337225806
this
>>337225284
yes you are
mute them all nonetheless
and get better
that's how dota is done
>>337225670
poo in the loos stick to gta sa online
I'll never understand why /v/ is so dead set on calling some games casual while 99% of the catalogue are threads about casual games. It's like all elitists are concentrated on a few games and absolutely have to prove to the rest of /v/ how hardcore they are by shitting on specific games while simply ignoring all other games that are even more casual.
I started to play again after long break then the new patch came.
I didn't like what I saw
>>337225851
Wol was a clusterfuck but SC2 is really nice since Hots tbqh famalam
>>337225853
Its really not that hard ro understand
Just try to play dota for more thab 5 minutes
>>337225930
OK weenie
>>337225742
>just gank him bro lol
>>337225806
Nobody was arguing if it was good or not. We were talking if it was casual or not. Mistakes being punished by definition makes game not casual. Whether that's good or not is irrelevant
>>337225520
>that one patch where comeback bonus gold and exp was so crazy you almost had an easier time playing from behind than winning from a lead
I know it was broken and made most of the game pointless, but fuck me if I didn't like every teamfight being able to turn the game around. Still hate how focused dota is on carries though, and that sure didn't help any.
HoN is better. Also has funnier post-game bitching.
>>337226045
Nice counter argument. As expected from Moba Babbies
Maybe you should play another game that isn't a moba for more thab 5 minutes.
>>337226045
>Its really not that hard ro understand
Yeah he explained it quite well, I dont see what the fuck your answer is for
>not playing the best esport ever
>>337225660
I won a game of Dominions 4 that wasn't a beginner game.
>>337226086
>Mistakes being punished by definition makes game not casual.
But one situation handing you the win is casual as it is too large a reward for what you did, they need to be proportionate for what is done and skilled play should be able to get you back.
The balance between this you described is off
>ctrl+f:rts
>10 results
>>337225826
So what the fuck do Indians play? They have to play something, there is like 1.2 billion of them
>inb4 some poo joke
no, really, what the fuck are they playing?
actually, I'm going to /int/ to find out and you cannot stop me
>>337225520
>Dota can be decided in the first minute
No it really can't. There's far too many factors that decide a game lile late mid and early game potential or counters or just item builds.
I bet you're one of those retards that wants carry or mid all the time anf when you have a hard time in early game you call gg within the first 10 minutes and then proceed to base camp
>>337225930
>calling some games casual
Because it is objectively casual, which isnt bad per se, I agree /v/ has mostly casual tastes
But when you play a casual game and hop on a taiwanese singers imageboard claiming you play a hardcore game, you're gonna have a bad time
>>337223443
that's 5,8 years of the client being continuosly open without interruptions
the game wasn't even out yet at that point
kys and bring with you all those who fell for this
Do people even know that dota has a custom map editor and people don't exclusively play the main game?
>>337223443
How do you update the game without ever turning it off?
>>337226264
you're 4k max
>>337226236
>what the fuck are they playing?
"find food" and "hope that girl over there doesn't have a rape whistle"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLOsAY0ayY4
>Not aspies
>>337225517
Yea picking is a huge deal, but can we stop this "RTS game with 1 unit".
It's much more precision in movement, lots of spell interactions, fog of war, mindgames and also the rightclicking mechanics and animation cancling
>>337226336
>If you disagree with me you suck
Really fucking original here
Do you have meeting with other valvedrones where you make flowchart for when you get btfo ?
Because you all say the same shit to defend your trash, it's almost artistic
>>337226117
>fuck up in a fighting game
>lose a third of your health, in one round out of 3 or so bo 3 games
>fuck up in CS
>probably lose three rounds in a first to 16 because of playing 1 man short and having to eco
>in a bo 3
I don't think it's hardcore, I think it's poor design, but Dota is a lot more snowbally than any of those save starcraft since any fuckup will influence every encounter for the rest of the game.
>>337222250
Not as autistic as league or leagues community moderators for that matter.
Is this the pinnacle of video game level design?
>>337225853
You're giving the enemy an advantage though.
Free gold + Exp
And if you're playing a heavily gold/xp reliant hero, you and your team needs to step up. It also can give the enemy team enough space to get a tower, which gives a lot of gold and advantage over map
It's like when you do a mistake in Starcraft, you don't immediately lose, you give your enemy an advantage which will probably fuck you later
>>337226354
Dont forget "That's a nice public beach you got there"
>ashamed of myself for having 3600 hours of TF2 played over the past 6 years
>tfw seeing all the dota autists with 5-8k hours when the game came out less than 3 years ago
At least I can feel slightly less ashamed with the knowledge that there's people worse than me out there.
>>337225853
>Street Fighter
>make a mistake
>eat a combo
>immediately lose the round
I thought we were talking about Street Fighter not Tekken. A single combo won't bring you from 100% to 0.
>Counter Strike
>make a mistake
>immediately die
It depends on the mistake, doesn't it?
Miss an AWP shot?Fuck up a wall-bang? You might be fine. It depends on several factors.
Oh and we all know CS games are decided by a single round where you don't give the enemy team money to purchase weapons and you won't spawn seconds later.
But you know, gotta have a situation that supports your argument.
>>337225284
You weren't playing ranked, were you? If you weren't then fuck em.
Also I'd recommend playing a different mode than All Pick. Personally, I learned the game through a bunch of Single Draft games. SD gives you a choice of three heroes, one for each primary stat. The games are typically less serious since it's hard to draft a perfect team and limiting your choice to three will give you a chance to check out each of them instead of being overwhelmed.
>>337226365
RTS are Grand Strategy games with a handful of units for retards.
>>337226470
Funny thing is that is every moba map ever made
I'd even argue blizzard's assfaggots is more competetive because each map has an actual gimmick
>>337226286
>objectively casual
it objectively isn't, see >>337225295
I don't like the game but calling it casual is pants on head retarded. It takes you 100 hours alone to even try every hero - that is not casual
>>337226364
Why does this game cause people to rage like retards so much?
Like I can get sort of angry in games but I never start screaming or anything
>>337226160
>>337226117
His argument is that the game is less hardcore because it has respawns. You're retarded if you seriously believe it's just that simple.
Dying gives the enemy team a clear advantage, dota is all about gaining the advantage over your enemy team.
A kill gives the enemy team more map control, gold (and therefore items), experience and essier openings for a teamfight as well as better chances to win one.
>>337226538
3600 hours in pony fucking TF2 is a lot worse than autistically playing a strategy game. I hope your dad is proud of you.
tfw haven't played a game of Dota in over a year
>people comparing dota to rts games
RTS games are almost entirely about mechanical skill while Dota boils down to knowledge and decisionmaking.
>>337226570
Other way around, grand strategy are RTS but slower
>>337226754
RTS have both more mechanical skill, and require more knowledge and decision making
>>337225520
>dota can be literally decided in the first minute with one kill because of the nature of the game and how much it snowballs
Wrong. That hasn't been a thing since memeback.
>>337226538
Right, I bet you're a furry too who looks down on people that watch anime
>>337226762
>the joke, your head
Dota is Chess
League of Legends is Checkers
Heroes of the Storm is Connect a Dot
>>337226754
>BUT YOU HAVE TO LEARN SO MUCH AND USE IT!
>doesn't even need to remember frame data and has an hour to think about shit
>>337222250
MOBAs are not video games, they are an addiction.
>>337226993
then minesweeper is mahjong
>>337226867
really depends
bliz rts are all mechanical skill
you require the minimum knowledge and decision making
>>337225170
>wowcukcs think they know what "world PvP" is
Fucking hilarious.
>>337226997
>an hour to think about shit
Is anon retarded? :^)
>>337225801
And then you actually do and they yell at you because you dont know certain stuff after you played your first few matches.
>>337222250
no its just once you reach the top there's no reason for you to go back down
>>337227313
WHY DIDN'T YOU GET GUD ANON, YOU'RE THE REASON WE LOST THE MATCH GG.
>>337226867
>RTS have both more mechanical skill, and require more knowledge and decision making
No they actually don't.
In Dota there are over 100 heroes all with at least 4 different abilities you all need to know how the function and interact with eachother then you also need to learn how all the items the game has also interacts with said heroes and their skills.
That's just the heroes and items alone, compare that to Starcraft where each interaction is cut and dry with pretty much no exceptions to the rules they have, where many units don't even have any special abilities or specific interactions.
The Dota map is also way more elaborate and requires far more time to understand and learn.
Now we haven't even started on warding, counter warding and so on.
There is so much shit to learn in Dota that even pro players that have played the game for years don't know everything.
This is merely scratching the surface. Seriously, don't start talking about stuff you clearly know nothing about. Now before you say anything stupid like I'm a blind fanboy, I don't even play the game anymore and I think the game is pretty bad now (along with Valve just running it worse and worse).
>>337226646I have no regrets, I've had a lot of fun in all that time
But if you want autism, I probably spent a third of that time onjump maps. I was a fucking pro at that shit, sticky jumping especially. It's kind of like a different game altogether.
>>337226921
I don't dislike anime but I don't like it either anon, maybe I could get into it but I've never bothered to try
not a furry though m8
>>337227426
MOBA-fags are hilarious.
>>337226997
Dude, fighting games are mostly guesswork and repeating the same button inputs over and over so you don't even have to think when doing them.
I say this as someone that really likes fighting games and look forward to playing games like Last Blade 2 again shortly.
>>337226575
>blizzard's assfaggots is more competetive because each map has an actual gimmick
t.2k shitter shouldn't you be posting your autistic Overwatch waifus?
>>337227154
>bliz rts are all mechanical skill
>you require the minimum knowledge and decision making
That's 100% wrong, even tho it's unarguable that SC2 requrie a lot of mechanics (gookclick) it also require a fuckload of knowledge
Let's take the most basic example, the zerg dronescout the terran, the terran doesnt seems to build anything so far
The gold zerg will think he's fine
The master zerg will count the SCV and realize that there are 4 less SCV than he should and there's no extra CC in construction, which mean the terran is doing a proxy 2rax and if he doesnt start to pump zergling he's gonna lose in 2 minutes
Same interaction happen in all matchup, all races have to carefully check the gas timing, the expo timing and count in their head the amount of ressource should be gathered now
If you see a protoss taking 2 early gas at 6:00 on 2base, poke his ramp and see only a zealot and 1 sentry you have to wonder : Where the fuck is his gas going ?
That's actual strategy
>>337227567
I alreadfy told you that I don't even play or like Dota 2 anymore yet you still thought it was a good idea to fall back on a logical fallacy over proper counter arguments? Brilliant, you sure showed me.
Then again you avatar fagging with what is propably cropped gay furry porn should've made it clear how intelligent you are.
>>337227567
not him but
>ive never played one of the most knowledge and mechanics based popular game nowadays yet i keep talking shit
in all honesty, dota is not a bad game. it is a highly addicting genre with loads of potential.
the main problem with it are the people the game attracts, but stick with friends and you will enjoy the game greatly if strategy and action is your thing.
>>337222250
They've been playing basically the same game for over a decade.
>>337227426
>In Dota there are over 100 heroes all with at least 4 different abilities
Wow, FOUR (4) different abilites ? That's fucking crazy man, I dont know how guys do it
>>337223443
>5104 hours isnt that bad i've seen worse
>mfw re-read the numbers
>>337227715
Dude is just baiting you i guess.
Dota was never a casual game and anyone who says so clearly never played more than 5 matches or never understood how the game works.
>shooters lost traffic to other shooters
Wow what a surprise.
>>337227715
>>337227742
>implying I read such drivel :^)
>>337227828
How can a game be casual if you need at least 500 hours to understand whats going on?
>>337227828
Played for 5 years
It's casual as fuck and anyone who played at that time will tell you the same
"Dota is hardcore" is a trendy meme from 2011, when the playerbase tried real hard to differentiate themselves from league of legend
Of course, no one with a brain is buying it
>>337227882
Thats exactly what i implied, because it isnt at all.
>>337227691
>The master zerg will count the SCV and realize that there are 4 less SCV than he should and there's no extra CC in construction, which mean the terran is doing a proxy 2rax and if he doesnt start to pump zergling he's gonna lose in 2 minutes
only the first 8 mins of game time requires any knowledge
after that it's all about scouting
see tech lab on starport? it's cloak banshee
see tech lab on factory? it's marine tanks
>>337227934
Post dotabuff
>>337227934
post mmr you lying shill.
>>337227934
dota can be played casually but at a high MMR it is hardcore due to the amount of strategic depth involved into play.
>>337227809
>Wow, FOUR (4) different abilites ? That's fucking crazy man, I dont know how guys do it
It's a minimum of 400 abilities and their interactions (there are many exceptions to the norm).
How many abilities are there in SC2 current multiplayer? Also note that these abilities pretty much never have any special interactions.
>>337223326
shameful display.
>>337223090
>inb4 10 replies from weebs
>MOBAS R EZ
>>337227934
>Played for 5 years
It's casual as fuck and anyone who played at that time will tell you the same
Congratz than you never actually understood or were good at the game.
>>337223473
>sc2 babbies get triggered
>>337228059
you mean
>inb4 10 replies from bronze fags because /v/ sucks at anything remotely competitive
>>337227959
>only the first 8 mins of game time requires any knowledge
I only used the most basic exemple to not confuse anyone, but this apply for all game
If your opponent has been going sentry colossus for the entire game and is suddenly switching to mass zealot, you have to wonder what's up
Or if he's shitting out unit despite losing every battle, he obviously have one hidden base somewhere
>ASSFAGGOTS
>ASSFAGGOTS EVERYWHERE
>>337223910
Dota players dont . It s against the nature of the game
>>337224351
>good client
>less than 5% CPU resource
>>337223892
So dota?
>>337223438
By this logic anyone who is good at RTS, is great at Dota 2.
Why aren't korean starcraft players sweeping up dank millions at the International?
Could it be because your opinion is bullshit and you're a faggot?
>>337227934
nice bait, dota hasn't even been out for 5 years
>>337227975
>>337227982
No dotabuff on dota1 im afraid
>>337228007
Yeah but is hearthstone a hardcore game because it got an esport scene ? I wouldnt say so
>>337227882
>at least 500 hours
how much of a mouth breather are you exactly?
>>337223629
>its the entire time Dota 2 has been on Steam
No that is literally MORE than every hour it has been playable. He has a computer running dota 2 non-stop and is a time traveller from the future.
>>337223443
Are your legs ok?
Don't sit too long.
>>337227426
I really like how you try your best to present this in a way that will make every hero sound like a fucking Invoker, when in reality there are characters like sniper who has two passive abilities and two active skills which requires minimal effort to analize and remember.
>>337222250
>casual dudebro games lose players to other casual dudebro games
woah
>>337228224
>nice bait, dota hasn't even been out for 5 years
Not him but it has. Do you think TI 1 and 2 were played on Dota Allstars?
But it's obvious he has no or borderline 0 game knowledge.
>>337228251
This is true mate maybe you understand it once you get out of 2k mmr.
>>337224089
That's because dota 2 was born of the dota 1/hon competitively scene. Of course everyone in dota all stars were trash. Now every body follows the competitive scene and keeps up to date with all the new strats and shit.
Are there just like a subgroup of you fucks who go around saying dota is easy because you played a few pubs back when thats all anybody played?
>>337228224
here's that (you) you wanted
>>337228156
the point i am trying to make is that dota2 needs more knowledge and decision making than sc games
sc games are all about clicking as fast as you can
the people that manages to build stuff WHILE fighting wins 90% of the games up until the highest league
>>337228021
>It's a minimum of 400 abilities
And which matchup see those 400 abilites in action ?
That's right none, because you play one (1) in a team of five (5)
>>337228215
because they arr rook rike so team coordination becomes impossible
that's also why they do so well individually, you can't counter them if you don't know who they are
>>337223443
You've spent almost 6 years of your life playing that game.
>>337224202
Not that anon. But I feel similar. Overwatch is the first fps game I've enjoyed in a while that wasn't tacticool/realistic.
Mostly play cpm btw
>>337226575
>blizzards assfaggot
>stand in a different spot each map for 30 seconds to destroy a tower
nice
>When the mobababies get triggered just right
>>337225271
You
>hurr its just a casualized one character RTS
Shouldnt a professional RTS player than not be able to singlehandedely play all 5 heroes and beat anyone?
I mean its still only 5 units instead of like 100.
And you could earn shitloads of money by clearing every single tournament like that.
You wouldnt even have to share the money because you dont require teammembers.
Remember kids its just 5 units :^)
>>337223986
>can't spell "gullable"
>>337228450
>a-move shitter
Play a real race you faggot.
>>337223443
game has not been out that long famalam, and pros in any game average like 3-10k hours depending on age
>>337228363
>the point i am trying to make is that dota2 needs more knowledge and decision making than sc games
And that was debunked above
The only thing more demanding in mobas is "teamwork" and I think we all know how that usually go for the average joe
>>337228251
That is actually true because there is no good way to learn the game.
Dota 2 doesn't even have a basic tutorial.
>>337228290
No I don't, but my point was that there is A LOT of shit to learn before you can even play it at a basic level.
Claiming that a game like SC2 requires more knowledge than a game like Dota 2 is massively ignorant.
In Dota 2 however mechanical skill isn't very important at all.
So comparing MOBAs to RTS games is moronic since they not only play very differently, but also require very different things from the player.
>>337228450
muh esports
muh 40 apm
muh strategies in which everybody picks the same 10 meta heroes for 3 months
>>337228105
>If you disagree with me you suck
Like clockwork
These fucking valvedrones man, how does gaben do it ?
>>337223848
sounds like Quake
>>337228356
thanks senpai
>>337228368
>And which matchup see those 400 abilites in action ?
How is that relevant? Should we ignore the Zerg faction and everything you need to learn and shit about it because right now Terran and Toss are playing? Alright then, which faction in SC should we delete from the discussion?
>>337228236
>le I never play dota 2
srsly just fuck off and shill your blizzshit you cuck.
>>337228372
Nice jokes bro I posted this to r/funny and r/4chan I'm getting mad uppoints
>>337228678
>>337228646
>muh strategies in which everybody picks the same 10 meta heroes for 3 months
What happens when those 10 heros are removed from the pool?
Is the game now forfeit?
>>337228606
its not, actually
imagine if you have to do the "wow he has 4 less scvs in 8 minutes whats he up to", the whole game, constantly, instead of the first 8 minutes
>>337223492
>>337223568
>>337223652
>>337223874
>>337223910
>>337224142
>>337224273
>>337224351
>>337224967
>>337225027
>>337225581
>>337226331
>>337227817
>>337228281
>tfw there are idiots who actually fall for that shit
>>337224369
They are LITERALLY the same game
I don't even understand the DoTA LoL fanboy war because they are L I T E R A L L Y the same video game.
>>337228761
>Le you never played dota2
I bet you take the valvecock for free
>>337228714
Quake what? The reason we dont move on is because everybody who tries to make a game that appeals to us thinks we want the skill floor lowered and they think shit input and netcode is acceptable.
Cpma literally the only competitive fps I need m8. I'll be playing until my hands no longer work.
>>337228450
still mad your game is irrelevant?
>>337228519
well they do, but the automation software that makes it so you dont need to click 5 times to get one action done ( click out of window, click into next window, choose action, repeat each hero ), and the software that does it is agaisnt TOS.
so the short answer is
>they would if every update didnt keep breaking the automation
>>337228802
>imagine if you have to do the "wow he has 4 less scvs in 8 minutes whats he up to", the whole game, constantly, instead of the first 8 minutes
You do actually, that's pretty much how every scouting work
Bronzes think you scan and find a rax, and scouting is over
Nah, it's a constant back and forth mindgame because unlike mobas your opponent have a lot of possibilites to fuck you up
>>337228829
>I L I T E R A L L Y don't understand what the word L I T E R A L L Y means.
>>337228850
I don't play dota 2 anymore you blizzcuck still 5k mmr :). You seem angry.
>>337228829
>all mobas are created equal
This is like saying SC2 and Company of Heroes are L I T E R A L L Y the same game because they're both RTS's.
>>337228450
The only thing that generally "triggers" them is when people that clearly know nothing about MOBAs delude themselves that they do.
It's class A stupidity. It's like some fat neckbeard that browses /k/ trying to teach some Navy Seal how to do their job.
Or how about we pick a game you know a lot about and I'll start replying like you lot with a ton of ignorant opinions.
>>337228519
>>Shouldnt a professional RTS player
A professional RTS have build knowledges, 300 APM, and decision making
All of this is useless is dota, it would be like putting a rally driver in a kart
>>337228950
So like a game of dota then?
>>337228791
took you five minutes to come up with that?
Yeah, stick with dota.
>>337229068
So it should be simple.
>>337228967
well, actually, merriam webster and a lot of others added figuratively to the definition of literally like, 5 years ago, so, hes actually not wrong.
>>337229073
No not at all like a game of dota actually
Because your actions are limited, there's pretty much no scenario in which the opponent is gonna come back to lane to surprise you "that one thing that you cant fight", that simply doesnt exist
>>337228950
if you actually played both games at a decent level you'd know how are they different
im 4k in dota2i was diamond back when masters wasnt a thing
>>337228886
Skill floor isn't lowered, you just have no skills except muh fast aim bhops and can't learn anything else. Other things are placebo as a result of being shit at a game that isn't quake.
>>337229152
Well if it was just karting handling differently, yeah
But it's a special kind of karting where you ram one russian, one brazilian, two 12y old american and you, all in the seat and then let you decide who do what
>>337229160
Yes, yes, and wrong means right because autists don't comprehend sarcasm.
>>337229269
I know how they're different, explained it countless times actually
So far all I got in answer is a broken record of "You just dont know !"
>>337229205
if you dont scout people will either rosh, gank, rat, kill ur courier, take over ur jungle, deward and etc
in sc2 if you dont scout you will get rekt by units that counter ur army, or cheese
>>337229329
what?
>>337224319
Hey I liked OW, but it is infinitely more casual than Dota
>PLAY OF THE GAME
>YOURE IN MY SIGHTS
>HOLDS LEFT CLICK
>3 KILLS
>>337222250
most poeple who play dota 2 are third world person running Windows 98 toasters. They couldn't play other games if they wanted
>>337229385
because it's really difficult to explain something that's complicated to someone who doesnt have the basic knowledge
and i dont like typing long sentences
>>337227934
I played LoL since the fucking closed beta back in April '09 and you're talking out your ass, I was Gold in S1 and ended S2 in Plat, literally right as the season ended I jumped ship to Dota 2 and never looked back. Since then I've played maybe 100 League games over the last 4 years and just about everyone I've talked to about it recently that's been playing since the start says that it's fucking awful now, Dota 2 in 2012 was a better and more polished experience than League is currently. I know ~10 people who also jumped to Dota at the end of S2 because we only used League as a filler to hold us off since Allstars felt too dated in comparison thanks to engine limitations and HoN simply wasn't popular enough. The differences between Dota and League can be summed up as this: League is a MOBA and Dota is an ARTS in the exact same vein that Lords of the Fallen is a "soulslike" and Dark Souls is an ARPG.
>>337228973
It really isn't. You have equivalent heros with equivalent abilities for everything and it's all played on the same map with the same goal. There's more variation between sequels in the same line of call of duty games.
>>337229387
Scouting exist in dota, but it's infinitely more limited
You essentially have a system of "check", you check if they're not Rosh, if they runes, if they roam, but you rarely ever have to make elaborate guess as to what is the general strategy behind all this (admitedly, because there isnt any in most cases)
>>337229047
the original discussion had nothing to do with that though, dota 2 fags just felt the need to say that dota's "hardcore" and that everyone who plays it isn't a casual
and then the obvious bait replies carried the thread from there
which in itself is retarded because it's still got nothing to do with OP
>>337229087
Not that guy
Don't give a shit about dota
Don't care about OW
Felt the need to say not everyone sits on one page hitting the refresh button like a desperate asshat so your point is invalid.
>>337229308
>But it's a special kind of karting where you ram one russian, one brazilian, two 12y old american and you, all in the seat and then let you decide who do what
Not when you're controlling all 5 units.
Lets try to follow the conversation, won't you?
>Shouldnt a professional RTS player than not be able to singlehandedely play all 5 heroes and beat anyone?
>>337229068
You dota babbies need to go play a real game. Holy fuck you're insufferable. Nobody wants to play your 400 APM game
>>337229387
yeah, because counter or cheese is literally just two things, and not a huge fucking list of different strageties and methods under a single word.
>>337229517
>general strategy behind all this
in sc2 you make elaborate guess to the opponent's build order, not the strategy
>>337229402
A word doesn't take on the opposite meaning just because people like to exaggerate or being sarcastic. Only an autist would have trouble understanding things like those.
>>337229536
With enough training it's possible
But I dont really see the point of watching one guy seal club 5 trashcans more than once
Quit it about a year ago.
Good fucking riddance.
>>337229205
So if they come back to the lane with a blink dagger or ghost scepter or some other such thing you can't fight then that doesn't count?
MOBAs are the second worst thing to ever happen to video games.
>>337229602
>in sc2 you make elaborate guess to the opponent's build order, not the strategy
You do it for both early game, then build order become obsolete and you only have to think about the general strategy
>>337229535
my point? there is none, did you really expect a proper response to "haha, funny"
>>337229301
Skillfloor of what isn't lowered? What are you talking about, I didn't even name a game
>>337229657
>cyrillic
We're glad you're gone.
>>337229669
I hope you don't mean the first thing being SJW, because MOBAs are way worse
>>337225171
>ME OOGA
>TEAM BOOGA
>>337229508
There's barely any equivalent heroes or abilities actually.
>>337229618
>A word doesn't take on the opposite meaning just because people like to exaggerate or being sarcastic
well...actually...
>>337229669
the first thing is Overwatch.
>>337229850
>>337229770
the first thing is women
>>337223531
Its an rts that only requires microing one to five units and exchanges base building and resource management with buying items and denying.
The best players are autistic. The game is nothing but repetition and grinding followed by fights that take around eight seconds to complete.
That game is not fun to anyone not on the spectrum. Ninety percent farm for ten percent play is stupid.
>>337229659
The key word is surprise
You can expect those, and even when he got them, you know how they work
Even if you play jugg and cant play against those, there's nothing you can do to stop them from buying them anyway
There's barely any strategy in there, especially since everyone buy the same shit anyway
>>337230000
damn
>>337229657
cyka blat nahuj
>>337224643
Mix of The Mute/The Fighter here.
I'm usually very happy to play support, and while I do take losses personally, I don't dwell on it.
So pc gamers play the same handful of games for years.
>>337229641
The point is that this one guy would be able to swipe hilariously huge sums of prize money.
If it were as simple as controllign 5 rts units, someone would have done that already.
Therefore the "hurr its just simplified RTS" argument is utter nonsense.
http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/507995-league-of-the-ancients-2
discuss
>>337230162
...is there supposed to be a difference or something
>>337230162
what is fifa
>>337230150
Sadly i am a mix of the veteran and the whiner/bendict arnold.
I am always above average or even high in the games i play, but i have the bad habit of complaining and raging a lot.
And my tolerance for worse players than me is very low.
>>337230383
iunno if you missed that other post way up, but they did, but the devs made it as difficult as possible. basically forcing focus checks into everything. if you try to run the game more then once, of the same particular match, itll add a delay in
regardless, it would be easier just to hire a few people to do what your saying, and splitting the task up between 5 so that, well, your 5 times faster then...1 person.
we call them "teams"
>>337230568
Well then just get 5 starcraft gods and let them win everything.
They would earn a lot more than the money they earn for playing starcraft.
>>337225729
Speaking as someone who played dota quite a bit a few years ago, I never became that guy who never plays anything else. You're complete trash if you quit all other video games and never talk about anything else. There's no excuse for this. Even pro players will play other video games for fun.
>>337230162
>games losing population for temporary overwatch open beta
>except for dota 2
how fucking retarded can consolecucks get
>>337230407
I'm not reading all that shit
>>337230663
they did. guess what the other team did. get 5 other starcraft gods.
im just curious. what do you think happens? people, who make a living off this, hearing a fabulous new chance to make money...and dont?
DOTA 2 IS THE HARDEST GAME EVER IT HAS WAY MORE MICRO AND MULTITASKING THAT STARCRAFT, REQUIRES WAY MORE AIMING AN PRECISION THAT COUNTER STRIKE AND WAY MORE REFLEXES AND QUICK INPUT THAN FIGHTING GAMES OKAY?
IT IS THE BEST, MOST HARDCORE GAME EVER MADE AND NOTHING WILL COME EVEN CLOSE IN TERMS OF DIFFICULTY, FUCKING OTHER GAMES ACCEPT OUR SUPERIORITY ALREADY AND STOP MIXING US TOGETHER WITH CASUAL LEAGUE OF LEGENDS PLAYERS
>>337231045
Not a single starcraft/RTS god has it ever made big in dota2.
>>337231045
>they did. guess what the other team did. get 5 other starcraft gods.
None of the top teams are ex-RTS players.
The closest thing is scarlet who is on a shitter team nobody cares about.
>>337231065
Nice shitpost
Heres your you
>>337231224
sure, ill believe that. so your saying these people wouldnt be gods at starcraft if they tried?
>>337231250
Here's
Your (You)
Nikola and Bart
>>337231179
And not a single dotard has ever made it big in starcraft, your point being?
Just because the game is easy doesn't mean you have an advantage over other people. Dota is casual shit, but it is equally casual shit for every participating player. Actually having good mechanical skills and map awareness like SC pros have nets you zero benefit in Dota because the skill ceiling is so low.
>>337223754
naisu
>>337231065
DOTA IS SO FUCKING GREAT, IT'S THE PINNACLE OF STRATEGY, IT'S FUCKING CHESS-TIER. IF YOU ACTUALLY ARGUE THAT DOTA IS INFERIOR IN ANY WAY TO ANY OTHER GAMES OF IT'S KIND, I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE A HIKE, MISTER. DOTA IS QUITE OBVIOUSLY A MASTERPIECE OF OUR TIME WITH COMPLEX MULTITASKING AND REAL TIME TACTICS THAT ARE UNMATCHED BY ANY OTHER GAME OF ANY KIND.
IT'S THE DEFINITELY MORE HARDCORE THAN YOUR SHITTY DWARF FORTRESS, AUTISMBLOBS AND ROGUE LIKES. IT'S THE MORE HARDCORE THAN THE MOST HARDCORE GAME YOU CAN THINK OF. IT'S NOT CASUAL AND YOU SHOULD ACCEPT MY OPINION AS THE SUPERIOR ONE. OTHER GAMES CANNOT COMPETE TO THIS MASTERPIECE OF OUR CENTURY.
>>337230663
You need to enjoy the game atleast a little bit to remain pro
I dont think randomly telling people to train 10h a day on this random game they dont enjoy is gonna yield any result
I mean I barely play video games anymore and just starting the launcher give me several type of cancer
>>337231423
>And not a single dotard has ever made it big in starcraft, your point being?
Why would they?
Dota has 5x times the ammount of money in it.
Meanwhile a starcraft god would have lots of financial incentive to swipe dota prize money if its so fucking easy.
You are just full of shit and logical inconsistensies.
>>337231596
>I dont think randomly telling people to train 10h a day
If you have to actually train something for 10h a day over a long time, it cant be called casual anymore can it?
>>337231797
Guess hearthstone and cod are hardcore as fuck
>>337231423
>Leaving an alive game for a dying game
Aint no one going to do that
>>337231797
by that logic literally any game that is played competitively in any way shape or form is not casual
like overwatch
>>337231692
Not to mention that they would never be able to achieve anything in a game that is not a casual moba like DotA.
>muh popularity
Ah the old argument. I will just repeat my argument from earlier then, so if popularity means quality than League of Legends and Hearthstone are much harder and better games than Dota?
>>337231925
Games arent hardcore.the people that play it are
>>337231925
>Meanwhile a starcraft god would have lots of financial incentive to swipe dota prize money if its so fucking easy.
>>337231797
...im....im a professional masturbator? oh my god my parents will be so proud
>>337231861
>>337231848
If you actuallly have to train 10h a day over a long ammount of time to keep up with other players, then there apparently is a lot to learn and the game therefore has a high skill ceiling.
If it wouldnt have a high skill ceiling you would not need to train much or train at all.
The definition of a casual game is that you can hop right in and do well without much practice or learning.
>by that logic literally any game that is played competitively in any way shape or form is not casual like overwatch
Thats not a logical conclusion of my post at all.
Waifushitters are mad about Dota because Dota mainly caters to the gay crowd. FPShitters are mad because muh mechanical skill and muh Quake tl;dr butthurt about their genre being irrelevant. RTShitters are same as above, mad cuz their genre irrelevant and dead. Holy kek this is like the holy trinity of buttblast. Welp, if Dota 2 is as casual as some of you imply, I'd like to see a first timer pick up and play 5 matches without any prior knowledge or tutorials like I did with Overshit. That game is quite literally press Q to rack up easy kills.
>>337231925
Not once did i mention popularity.
Its like you didnt read my post and just fabricated what you wanted to read in your mind.
>>337232130
>>by that logic literally any game that is played competitively in any way shape or form is not casual like overwatch
>Thats not a logical conclusion of my post at all.
Yeah it absolutely is, because those people are also paid to play 10h/day
Which must mean that OW, heartstone and cod must have insane skill ceilings
>People have been playing GTA:O every week since the game launched.
>>337232072
>>Meanwhile a starcraft god would have lots of financial incentive to swipe dota prize money if its so fucking easy.
How many times do I need to repeat myself until it goes into your Moba brain? I mean I shouldn't be surprised at this considering you defend one of the most casual online games in existence as hardcore, but it is still annoying.
>>337231423
>Just because the game is easy doesn't mean you have an advantage over other people. Dota is casual shit, but it is equally casual shit for every participating player. Actually having good mechanical skills and map awareness like SC pros have nets you zero benefit in Dota because the skill ceiling is so low.
To give you an analogy that even a Dotard like you should understand: Even if somewhat is a grandmaster in chess and played the game for over 10000 hours he would still not win versus me playing connect 4, because connect 4 is so casual and easy and the skill ceiling so low that even a good player has no chance to beat a bad payer.
>>337222250
No.
A single round in dota just takes 3hours+.
>>337232323
if the skill ceiling is so low why aren't you collecting millions of dollars
>>337232205
>I said 5x the prize money but I totally didn't mean popularity, because the prize money totally isn't relative to how popular the game is
>autism rates skyrocket
>the most popular games today are pure autism fuel like DOTA 2 and suck ass
Autism ruined video games.
>>337232436
It literally says it right there in the post you quoted. Are you too fucking retarded to read?
>>337232545
so you're arguing the game is solved
why aren't you collecting millions of dollars
I legitimately think Dota is addictive. I know people who play the game just because they've been playing for so long. When they do anything else they compare it to playing dota. Everything comes back to dota with them, it's nuts.
I personally don't enjoy it much and I think team games in general are all shitty compared to 1v1 games.
>>337232618
>Just because the game is easy doesn't mean you have an advantage over other people. Dota is casual shit, but it is equally casual shit for every participating player. Actually having good mechanical skills and map awareness like SC pros have nets you zero benefit in Dota because the skill ceiling is so low.
>>337232236
Are you literally retarded?
>Yeah it absolutely is, because those people are also paid to play 10h/day
Fine, that they play it 10h/day doesnt mean they are training or learning in those 10h/day.
That has nothing to do with the argument at hand at all.
The argument is that if someone who trains 10/h a day is much more likely to win over someone who plays less, than there must be some kind of skill he acquired in that time.
Else he would win just as much as the guy who plays less and thus the game would be casual.
But if you actually NEED to play 10h a day to keep up with other players then the game cant be called casual.
Whats so hard to grasp here?
This is not about some chucklefuck playing a casual game for 10 hours a day, if he gets payed for this or not.
The whole argument is based on a performance difference.
>>337232529
>posting a reaction image from that garbage movie while complaining about autism.
No, John. You are the autists.
>>337232659
so if nobody has an advantage over anyone how come some players are objectively better and thus earn millions of dollars
>>337224261
>Skeleton King
F
>>337223443
Mike Plz go
>>337222250
It's their new hat simulator, what did you expect?
>>337232480
Yes i said financial incentive.
How is that hard to understand?
Money is a personal motivator for human beings.
In fact its the main motivator for most of them.
The fact that the money is there because of the popularity of the game doesnt even touch the core of the argument you colossal retard.
>>337232674
That's a big ass post to dodge the point entirely
Heartstones/Overwatch pro play 10h a day aswell, does that mean their game is hardcore ?
>>337228251
it definitely takes at least 500 hours, I'd personally say 1k hours to get the basics of everything down. From there on you should slowly be able to increase your MMR.
>>337232809
So you were just baiting all along
Okay
>>337232809
>Heartstones/Overwatch pro play 10h a day aswell, does that mean their game is hardcore ?
Nice goalpost moving.
No one ever said "play" 10h a day, but TRAIN.
>>337232728
Team coordination. The individual skill is nonexistent as such knowing your teammates makes all the difference.
Also I wouldn't join the DotA community even for "millions of dollars" if it meant having to play for retards like and spending 10 hours a day playing a casual shit game.
>>337232985
Not I'm just wondering how you're gonna get out of this mess
Since you claimed people train for 10h a day mean the game cant be casual, I'm wondering how you'll qualify overwatch/hearthstone pro who do the same
And to my (no)surprise, you dodged
>>337233078
Ok, OW/Hearthstone pro also train 10h a day, is their game hardcore ?
>>337223443
>sweating man.png
>>337233078
>No one ever said "play" 10h a day, but TRAIN.
Oh so that's how it is, dota players don't just "play" 10h a day, but they "TRAIN" 10h a day. While pros of other games just "play" 10h a day.
Now you convinced me that Dota is indeed the most hardcore game ever made :^)
>>337228236
How did you get this
>Yeah but is hearthstone a hardcore game because it got an esport scene ? I wouldnt say so
from this
>dota can be played casually but at a high MMR it is hardcore due to the amount of strategic depth involved into play.
Are you retarded anon?
>>337233098
if individual skill is nonexistent why aren't people like you quickly grouping together for your millions of dollars and being set for life?
and why would you need to play 10 hours a day to be good if it's such casual shit with no skill ceiling?
>>337233164
>>337233178
Read that post or dont reply at all
>>337232674
It's no surprise, valve have a psychologist working for them who's legit job description is creating addictive mechanics in games
>>337233179
How does that have to do with anything ?
Let me re-ask the question, this is your original post
>If you have to actually train something for 10h a day over a long time, it cant be called casual anymore can it?
Overwatch pros also train 10h a day, is their game casual ?
>>337233178
If that "training" leads to much better chances to win over people who didnt do it, that means they acquired "skill" in the meantime.
If people who play 1h a day and people who play 10h a day win all the same and land at the same rating, then yes it would be casual.
>>337233258
>Dota pros "Train" 10h a day while overwatch pros "play" 10h a day
This fucking fanbase, not even blizzdrones can compete
>>337230162
>why arent you getting jewed on overpriced cucksole games that take 5 hours to be 100%ed?
>>337233280
I'm also certain Blizzard and Activision have one of those too.
>>337233189
>if individual skill is nonexistent why aren't people like you quickly grouping together for your millions of dollars and being set for life?
Because 5 people who are individually good don't make a good dota team. Individual skill is worthless and I don't want to play a game whose only form of skill is team communication and RNG.
>and why would you need to play 10 hours a day to be good if it's such casual shit with no skill ceiling?
Because you still need to spend time to compete.
Would you argue that HotS is a difficult game? I assume not: Still you would need to play it 10 hours a day to actually compete. That doesn't mean the game is hardcore though, it is still casual shit. Like Dota.
>>337233374
Thats not what the post implied at all, try reading again.
>>337233313
That's not my original post because I'm not the anon who you replied to.
I was just pointing out that his post had literally nothing to do with esports. He only said that at a higher MMR, where you're also facing tougher opponents, the game is significantly harder and this is true.
>>337233258
Overwatch pros train 10h a day, is their game hardcore ?
Yes or no motherfucker
>>337233358
Hearhstone streamer "train" for 10 hours a day. So Hearhstone is just as hardcore as dota then?
>>337224643
Tryhard reporting
>>337233412
so if you still need to play 10 hours a day to compete with other players, would you say you gain some form of "skill" over time? especially if somehow the other people who play this game a lot are somehow much better individually than people who don't, or are they just lucky they're earning enough to be set for life from this game with no skill ceiling and everyone else isn't?
i don't even play dota, you're just being a fucking retard.
>>337233495
Do you always form your arguments like a complete retard?
It makes me question, do you even understand what that post said?
MOBAs are fundamentally flawed, as they're Hard to learn, Easy to master. The genre is overflowing with mechanics and straight up encyclopedical knowledge which is required to play at them at a competent level, but none of these mechanics have any depth to them at all, learn them and you're done, now 99 999 other mechanics to go.
>>337233492
>>337233495
Nice reading comprehension you double digit IQers.
See this
>If that "training" leads to much better chances to win over people who didnt do it, that means they acquired "skill" in the meantime.
>If people who play 1h a day and people who play 10h a day win all the same and land at the same rating, then yes it would be casual.
If there is a significant differencen in the chances to win with people who invest that time and those who dont, there is a skill difference and therefore whatever game is not casual.
If this difference doesnt exist, whatever game is infact casual.
>>337230407
If they didn't release that before losing a tournament, one would say it was a butthurt rant
>>337233651
>easy to master
>not a single person out there that has mastered a hero or reached the skill ceiling of a moba
>>337222250
No, they're just too poor to afford actually good games, that's why they play MOBAs.
Just look through steam profiles of niggers playing that game, like 90% of the time the account only has 1 game on it, namely Dota 2.
>>337233756
Is there any game that has been mastered so far ?
Even angry bird has depth
>>337233492
>>337233495
>>337233313
You know it's really easy to tell you apart. You're the guy who failed 3 times in a row to understand what the posts he's replying to are actually saying.
Work on that reading comprehension, you retard.
>>337233651
Well that's how they get suckers to keep playing it forever. Its a more covert skinnerbox.
>>337233910
>You're the guy
Only 2 of these are mine, so look like playing dota is still easier than spotting samefag
>>337233412
When I think of casual games, I think uncharted, angry birds and the like. Mastery of said games does not involve much effort or time investment.
Dota 2 is not casual (at every level played). The sheer amount of mechanics in the game, both universal and hero specific as well as the knowledge of items, heroes and spell interactions with said items and heroes in all different type of circumstances makes for a very robust, hardcore game.
What determines how casual Dota 2 is, is the mmr of the match. Yes at sub 3k mmr it is quite casual. At over 4k mmr, you can't argue that Dota 2 is some casual game.
>>337233575
That brings us to the same argument the other anons are having right now.
Hearthstone, LoL or Heroes of the Storm players also train for 10 hours a game. Would you say their game is hardcore? As hardcore as DotA?
Yes you do acquire some sort of skill even in Dotard, but that amount is minuscule compared to a genre with actual hard mechanical requirements like RTS, Shooters, Fighting games and basically anything that isn't a moba (or hearthstone).
>>337224261
Those joke icons never get old.
>>337233910
Well done retard.
I only joined the argument because I thought it was hilarious how you claim DotA is hard because people play it all day when Hearthstone, the most casual """competitive""" game in existence also has the players play 10 hours a day. It is such an hilariously awful argument that I couldn't help but join the conversation to mock you.
Now Dotards gonna be Dotards.
>>337234102
okay, so you have to train ten hours a day to play something but it has no skill ceiling, why are you training ten hours a day?
hardcore is a buzzword and you're being stupid.
>>337234094
>The sheer amount of mechanics in the game,
Is laughable compared to RTS, FPS or fighting games.
I give you knowledge about items and heroes, but every game has those knowledge burdens. Bloating the game with thousands of heroes makes the game more difficult to memorize, but not mechanically harder to play. The mechanical skill required to play DotA is laughable.
>>337234304
I wasn't even the guy defending Dota 2.
I was only pointing out your obvious reading comprehension issues.
>>337234094
> The sheer amount of mechanics in the game, both universal and hero specific as well as the knowledge of items, heroes and spell interactions with said items and heroes in all different type of circumstances makes for a very robust, hardcore game.
So does that mean a phonebook is the best literature ever created?
>casual
what really fucking triggers me is people that don't play the fucking game pretending they know anything about it and spreading misinformation
>>337234513
That image is not updated
>>337234513
>two basic common sense techniques, "if your enemy is far away from allies, get behind him and cut off his escape route"
soo hardcore
>>337234616
its old, yeah
>>337234102
Since you mentioned fighting games, I will assume you have some knowledge of the current ones played and the general opinion of them within the community.
I give you marvel vs capcom 3, ultra street fighter 4 and tekken 7. All of these games have different skill caps and one of them is considered casual among the best players in the scene, regardless of the hours you might put in to train for it, because of the game's mechanics.
I'll leave it up to you now to understand why certain people think dota 2 is not as casual as LoL, hearthstone and heroes of the storm.
What happened to the SC2 player named something related to Control, all I remember is that he sucked ass at it.
>>337234629
sigh
>>337234481
Holy shit these comparisons are getting out of control.
I've been sitting here reading you retards argue but that takes the mongoloid cake.
>So does that mean a phonebook is the best literature ever created?
What the fuck are you even talking about?
What is even happening?
This thread is amazing.
Got into this game 4 months ago, haven't played anything else ever since except DaS III.
I'm having the most fun of my life.
>>337234814
Game is fun
>>337224941
How is any of that shit unique to Dota? LoL has Penetration damage, true damage, magic damage and physical damage and item build...
>>337225203
he is 12 and doesn't know what agnostic means
>>337234912
>creep stacking, wave pulling, denial, day/night adv, high ground
are all unique to dota as far as I know.
>>337223662
Dropped the game since the patch after TI3. Game is unrecognisable to me now.
>>337223672
Yeah, their preference is buying new hats for the garbage they're already buried in.
>>337222250
Overwatch is more autistic than dota. At least dota requires skill to play whereas people in ow just drool after pixel asses
>>337224941
>all of these combine to create a unique and ever-evolving game environment
the game "evolves" because icefrog nerfs heroes after a meta becomes stale as fuck
it has nothing to do with the game being complicated
dotards are delusional
>>337234709
>I give you marvel vs capcom 3, ultra street fighter 4 and tekken 7. All of these games have different skill caps and one of them is considered casual among the best players in the scene, regardless of the hours you might put in to train for it, because of the game's mechanics.
And that is exactly why Dota is, in my opinion casual compared to anything that isn't a moba.
I am surprised that you, who as what I now assume is a fightan player, defend DotA. Do you think they need even HALF the reflexes and amount of input and prediction as fighting games do? Do you think they give a crap about hit boxes, precise aiming and well timed blocks?
And yes Dota is harder than LoL or HotS, but the entire moba genre is pathetic. Being the smartest kid in a class mentally handicapped doesn't make you smart compared to other kids.
>>337232297
>he doesnt play with friends
Its fucking fun with a crew, the support is pretty gud for an AAA game
>>337234814
I was the same when I started playing dota.
I hit a wall when I reached 600 hours and realized I'd been playing the same the same game 1000 times
>>337235042
Most of those things come from warcraft 3 you tard.
>>337235262
On a scale of how casual the game is Overwatch is a 9.8 and Dota is a straight 10. Even OW fags are better than you, now fuck off.
>>337223443
fake. If not, you kept the game running continuously since release.
>>337235447
I don't even play dota anymore but it's fucking ironic when OW retards think any game is more casual than their waifubait
>haha ASSFAGGOTS IS SHIT!! IT'S SO EASY AND CASUAL
>what mmr are you?
>...
everytime
>>337235262
Oh please. dota just dumps casuals in low MMR groups so they never have to get better to win
Multiplayer tower defense sound terrible even on paper.
>>337235602
Am I supposed to spend hundreds of hours getting up an mmr on I game that is complete shit just to prove a point on /v/?
I have better things to do with my time desu senpai.
>>337235447
>overwatch
>not the most casual core game in existence
blizzdrones are gold
>>337229047
>It's like some fat neckbeard that browses /k/ trying to teach some Navy Seal how to do their job.
Considering how retarded some of the people in the military are when it comes to guns, it is actually pretty likely that the /k/-sperg is right.
>>337235721
You mean like posting in this thread about how much you hate the game?
Considering you're still here, I'm sure you're spending your precious time wisely with unlimited shitposting. Kill yourself.
>>337224542
>CS:GO
>stare at 2 hallways for an incoming walking enemy and maybe switch roles and walk around a corner while aiming a generic hitscan gun
>Street fighter
>glorified DDR where you rock-paper-scissors and memorize buttons in the right order as fast as you can
>Starcraft
ok you got me, but Dota was born of people wanting a specialized version of Warcraft so evidently it wasn't enough
>>337235679
Tower defense mods in RTS games were the shit but its doesn't work as its own game.
They are autistic because they don't want to jump on the latest bandwagon? How dare they?
>>337235378
>Its fucking fun with a crew
Fuck no, I am more likely to run into a dickbag hacker than I am to have a hacker free session.
>>337236068
Put shitposting on /v/ and watching triggered Dotards desperately trying to justify playing a casual game is fun.
Playing a shitty game for hundreds of hours is not though.
>>337236068
>You posted in this thread, that means that you are on your computer and doing nothing.
No u
PCCU?
>>337236330
you need to go back to your cod games anon
you need to go back
>>337236330
If dota is casual then the only "competitive" games out there are RTS, a dead genre
Great post
>>337236436
But anon, all genres that aren't mobas are good. It is really just you that I am laughing at.
>>337236424
>Muh cod
Fuck off back to gaia or wherever 14 yearolds are supposed to go now.
>>337235349
Different genres of games, require totally different skills and knowledge.
Prediction and hitboxes, such as landing mirana arrows and dodging pudge hooks is a thing in dota. These are hard reads.
Reflexes/Reactions are needed for situations where you have that blink dagger as enigma and you are determining the right moment to initiate on the enemy team with it. Also applies to rubick and exactly when he steals an ability and which specific ability he decides to steal.
Mechanical skill while playing invoker will turn a teamfight in certain situations.
Dota will never be as mechanically complex as 3S, very few fighting games, much less videogames are. What it does have is a knowledge/situational awareness burden that makes memorizing frame data look like a joke.
>>337236568
>calling the most popular video game genre ever bad
Is it even possible to be more contrarian
Besides being bad doesn't make something casual
>>337236574
>don't insult my favourite games!!!
enough with the memes you really need to go back now
>>337234810
>a fuckton of unnecessary mechanics means the game is good and skillful
>>337236661
>tornado EMP
>mechanical skill
more like kekanical shill
>>337236705
I haven't been playing COD since MW3, and the last one I bought was MW2. But "nice" try.
The go back to COD meme is old as shit and only spouted by underagebans trying to act like hot shit.
>>337236817
Name the unnecessary mechanic in dota 2 you are refering to and say exactly why you think it's useless/superfluous.
>>337236946
it's not me who's salty anon
>>337236971
Composite and Universal damage types: beause Valve removed it
Optimisation of farming patterns over teamfighting 24/7 like in HotS: because Valve forces it through lowering creep bounties and """""comeback""""" mechanics.
>>337236068
Writing a couple shitposts in a thread that you think is dumb doesn't take even a fraction of the commitment as playing an ASSFAGGOTS competitively. You can do it easily while playing a game that has lulls in the activity on a second monitor.
Also, stating commonly held opinions on a video game on a Singaporean Crocheting Image Board doesn't require empirical evidence. If it hurts your feelings that strangers have a negative impression of a game they don't even play perhaps you need to work on not caring so much about what other people think.
>>337237017
Salt has nothing to do with age.
>>337236661
>Prediction and hitboxes, such as landing mirana arrows and dodging pudge hooks is a thing in dota. These are hard reads.
Yes the mechanical aspect is there, but it is laughably easy compared to fighting games or RTS. Even the easiest fighting games in my opinion still has a higher mechanical skill requirement than DotA does.
And you are correct that a higher knowledge burden, but to me that is not a form of skill, it is just awful design. A game should be easy to pick up but hard to perfect. A game should reward faster, better, more precise player and not simply player who have been in that situation before and therefore know what to do. To me mechanical skill it is what makes a game difficult and in that regard DotA will never come close to games from other genres.
>>337237384
It's always hilarious to see people who don't play mobas talk shit about them, like they were the easiest games ever.
What's triggering you people so hard? The fact that they're so popular?
I'm sure you've played plenty of Dota or League to be in a perfect position to look down on everyone else who plays them, since they're all casual fucks.
It's always easy to tell you people apart from the rest, you make it so obvious that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
But who knows, maybe I'm wrong and you're that one person in the world born with the talent to absolutely wreck everyone in mobas and have an easy time overall with them.
Or maybe you're just a retard who played a few matches in the shitter bracket, didn't really care about mechanics and whatever and just wrote it off as a dumbed down one unit control sc2.
I wonder what you call this social phenomenom. I have an irl friend who tried one match of Dota 2. He was sure the game was a dumbed down RTS and constantly compared it to SC2 and alike. He lost his first match but still said the game was easy as fuck.
Then I looked up his profile on dotabuff and he literally only purchased parts of full items for stats and a llate game item recipe at the beginning of the game.
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