HOW TO FIX MEI:
-Remove the heal from Meis ice invuln
-Make it take longer for her to freeze larger/armored characters
OR
-Make her not be able to freeze shielded characters (She now has effective counters, Zenyatta/Symmetra are more useful)
OR
-Make her Blizzard ult deployable able to be destroyed (but freeze faster)
There she's balanced now and cant destroy every character besides another Mei in 1v1
>it's another "Blizzard needs to balance the game according to my braindead subhuman retard pub level of ''''''''play''''''''''" episode
The only thing that needs to be changed here is your fucking diaper, because you're full of shit
>>337213738
Just cut her health to 200, so heroes other than McCree would actually had a chance to kill her before she freezes them.
>>337214571
she's got all that extra weight though
>>337213738
>-Make her not be able to freeze shielded characters (She now has effective counters, Zenyatta/Symmetra are more useful)
was in a patch note leak apparently
>>337213738
You're dumb.
The way you'd fix her is by reducing the range of her LMB drastically, and reduce her base health to 200 from 250.
Stop completely fucking over characters
>>337214713
>The way you'd fix her is by reducing the range of her LMB drastically, and reduce her base health to 200 from 250.
>
>Stop completely fucking over characters
???? This is way worse than anything op proposed.
Note the OR separating the more major nerfs
>>337214773
The range on her LMB is literally THE problem with her. She can freeze from so fucking far away, the animation and actual range don't even add up.
>>337214860
So make her take longer to freeze? She's not icy version of the pyro
>>337213738
If you actually have a problem with Mei, you're just plain bad at the game.
Learn to adapt or stop fucking playing and trying to ruin characters that are perfectly fine.
I bet you complain about Bastion.
I wish her ice shield was more skill based and not a free reset. Shouldn't be longer than Zarya's shield so you'd use it reactively.
>>337214930
Bastion is a glass cannon though. Even Mercy can plink him easily
Mei will destroy any character that isn't another Mei in 1v1. She has no counter
>Widow? lol ice wall
>Mcree? lol frozen/heal
>Winston? cryoblast
>Bastion? lol icewall
>Zenyatta? dies in one shot
>Symmetra? dies in one shot
>Tracer? lol cryoblast headshot
>Junkrat? ice wall haha :)
>Reinhardt? cryoblast
>D.Va? cryoblast :)
>Pharah? ice wall
>Reaper? cryoblast headshot
>Zarya? cryoblast + headshot
>Genji? cryoblast + headshot
>Soldier 76? cryoblast + ice heal headshot
>Lucio and Mercy? cryoblast headshot
there is no way to beat her 1v1 without another mei
>>337213738
You're a retard. In fact, I've been playing since the very first wave of invites and reading /v/'s shit opinions about this game in general has really shown me just how truly garbage at video games this board is.
Mei is THE WORST hero in the game. Even D.va has her niche. There are 3 heroes that can consistently keep shitty Tracers and Genjis in check in this game, Mei is one of them, the other two are McCrree and Widowmaker. Mei is already the least picked hero in tournaments, even when her right click was severely broken (had no fall-off and an insane fire rate).
Here's what you need to do:
Stop fighting her up close. You're terrible at video games. Stop pretending you know anything about the game's balance.
I swear, people who complain about Mei and Bastion are literally subhumans.
>>337215219
>200 health + 100 armor
>glass cannon
>>337214902
>Range on LMB is the issue
>Just make it so it takes longer for her to freeze!
Are you completely retarded? How does that even make sense, mathematically?
The problem right now is that she can LITERALLY run up into someones face, freeze and kill them before they can kill her (Except maybe McCree) so you have to reduce the range so she actually has to be played well too to fucking freeze someone to death.
If she runs up into the face of Soldier 76 he should be able to kill her before she can get in range.
>>337215219
>Zarya? cryoblast + headshot
Zarya is the only Mei counter in the game right now, her shields remove and prevent freeze build-up.
The frosty cunt can still freeze and heal herself but you can at least save people and not die to her every time you get into the range of her left click.
>>337215385
To add to this, if you're really such a braindead vegetable and need to be told what counters Mei, here:
McCree
Widowmaker
Junkrat
Reinhardt
Reaper
Pharah
Bastion can take down ice walls but is easily corner peeked with right clicks. Depends on who is less of an idiot.
>>337215219
>Having that much trouble with ice wall
Jesus Christ, Anon.
>>337215414
He can't move while shooting in turret form. He'll die from 4 seconds of mercy plinking
>>337215486
>Widowmaker
>Junkrat
>Reinhardt
>Reaper
lol
>>337213738
>no mention of her contesting points while being literally invulnerable
Did you forget you have to take objectives to win?
>>337214726
>IT'S JUST LE GAME, ECKS DEE?!
I laughed even though you're a faggot shilling your favorite normie trap sellout's video.
>>337215486
lol i can tell you havent played
>>337215554
Widow: Headshot, bait ice block, headshot+insta bodyshot as she comes out of it
Junkrat: Direct hit grenade+mine, put trap under feet as she ice blocks
Reinhardt: Mei literally does nothing to him or anyone behind him
Reaper: Headshot her, wraith form to reset freeze stacks if you need to
Congratulations! You're now ready to kill the worst hero in Overwatch!
>>337215519
>4 seconds
That's 8 times more than she can survive in Bastion's line of sight.
Anyway, solo Bastions are not the problem.
Bastions with pocket Rein and/or Mercy are.
>>337215417
You're saying this as if Mei runs from across the map and is still able to freeze you before getting killed.
This is not the case. Most of the time anyone gets caught in Mei's freeze is from a pretty fucking close range. If you're not cognizant enough of your surroundings to keep out of Mei's range, you're really fucking bad at this game. I rarely get caught in Mei's shit because I adapted and figured out how to deal with her.
Git fucking gud
Just play bots if you can't handle the game
>>337215578
think he acknowledged that with the destroyable blizzard part
>>337215631
you dont have to stand in the open anon. Thats why its called plinking. Not much damage, hardly noticeable, but it will catch up quick
I kill Bastions/turrets as mercy all the time. Even pop widowmakers sometimes
>>337215618
Damn sucks that I've played Tracer/Genji the most since the very first wave of closed beta invites and literally never have issues with Mei :^)
Kill yourself and get good, in that order
>>337215385
Doesn't matter what's meta in tournaments, she's a pubstomper and balance shouldn't only happen for the 1% that play tournies.
>>337215748
>pulse bombs attached: 0
Shit Tracer, would not play with.
>>337215781
You are objectively wrong. Are you going to make the same argument for Torbjorn and Bastion too, shitter?
>>337215806
>What is area denial and multikills
>>337215748
>average of 1.66 sticks
you aren't even that good lmao
>>337215912
Pretty sure getting consistent kills/multikills is more important than landing sticks.
In fact, if you can get 11 bomb kills in a match without sticks, you're timing is impeccable.
>Make it take longer for her to freeze larger/armored characters
>Make it take longer to freeze the characters she can't kill with a single freeze + headshot
>>337215912
Ask people like Mendokusaii or Pluppie (both formerly of the top OW team, IDDQD) if they'd rather stick one person or let multiple people run into it. Seriously, the radius is huge.
>>337215994
is correct.
>>337215748
pretty average tracer senpai
>>337215994
Nuh-uh. You're completely and utterly wrong.
You have to land at least 4 sticks in a single match to unlock the chibi Tracer spray.
>>337215903
Torb and Bastion are shit and in no way pubstompers past level 10.
>>337216129
Neither is Mei.
Here's a question: have you ever seen anyone that actually knows how to play OW complain about her?
>>337216190
Literally anyone I've ever seen or heard of complaining about Mei are low level pubpussies.
Literally the same thing for Torb and Bastion.
>>337216190
I don't know man, what level do I have to be to meet these people, 50? 80?
Mei is so broken you can't fix her without completely ruining her.
I think the best thing they can do is still leave her fairly strong, but make her squishier so she has to be smart with her freezing, and not just have the health pool to suck up reaper shotguns to the face while freezing them so she gets the easy kill.
Shes still dangerous, but she can't 1v1 as easy and a 250 to 175 health pool in reality is a theoretical health pool of 500 to 350 (or even 200/400) if she gets her freezes right.
Maybe also give enemies the ability to shatter her healing tube before its completion. Make it hard for an individual to do, so she doesn't die to everyone. But if you're against 4 guys they should be easily able to break it and kill you without you getting the whole invuln, whole heal and probably 1-2 people losing interest / returning to the point leaving her a better chance of escape.
>>337216361
Level is irrelevant. Try getting to a higher MMR.
>>337216365
You were literally born without a brain. So many heroes can fuck over Mei after she ice blocks it's not even funny. Try using Junkrat traps or flashbangs, cuck.
>>337216361
Probably 15 at the at most. If you can't deal with Mei by then, you should quit. You know how to counter heroes by level 15.
>>337216458
>So many heroes can fuck over Mei after she ice blocks it's not even funny.
> Try using abilities that only 2 characters you're statistically not playing have.
>ITT: /v/irgins acting like they are "professional" OW players and aren't pubbies themselves
>>337216549
t. 'pro' player from /vg/
>>337214017
Is that fucking Michael Moore?
>>337216549
ITT: Angry kid gets stomped in thread and starts greentexting to relieve butthurt
>>337216190
Yes all the time
>>337216520
Overwatch is about switching heroes if something is becoming an obstacle to you. If you wanna sit there being hot trash at Soldier 76 or Hanzo then that's your own problem.
Besides, pretty much every team should have a McCree. He's literally the best character in the game.
Thanks for another OW thread.
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>>337216365
Her healing ice shield should be more reactive and not some free reset, kinda like Zarya's shield or that crystal dude from Nuclear Throne.
Nothing more annoying than having to delay whatever you were doing just to keep and eye on her and kill her a second time.
>>337216458
>Level is irrelevant. Try getting to something even less relevant that you cant see
>>337216585
Nobody on this whole site is a "pro", that's what I meant.
Being pro means you get paid for playing and/or win prize money.
Queuing solo or with a friend and looking down on other players on the server because they have lower "level" next to their name does not separate you from those random pubs in any way.
>>337215619
The freeze definitely goes through Reinhardts shield.
>>337216832
It doesn't. It makes the sound as if it froze the target and applies the ice visual effect on metal cross in the center of Rein's shield, but it doesn't actually freeze him.
>>337216609
>Overwatch is about switching heroes if something is becoming an obstacle to you.
Source? Just because they give you the OPTION to change doesn't mean that is a core design philosophy like you're implying it is. I could just as easily say the game encourages maining because of skins and collectibles for individual heroes. (this was tangential point, brought up to make you either post source from the dev team to back up your claim or move away from arguing your perceptions and implications rather than straight facts, don't focus your response here senpai, unless its source).
But my main point is, if you want a game that boils down to a boring 'everyone's overpowered' rock paper scissors meta that blizz usually devolves to be my guest.
But i personally think it's in the best interest of the game to iron out issues as big as a defensive character who can easily and regularly without effort solo 90% of the games roster, usually as the aggressor.
>>337216948
I've 100% been frozen with my shield up.
If you're regularly losing to Mei, you're shit.
If you a fragile as character and she catches you off guard then yeah sure that's fine man.
But most of the cast can outrange, outmaneuver, and outdamage the poor bitch.
try headshots with WM
try moving with tracer
try hooking with fatboy
try hammer rushing with reinhardt
try grenades with junkrat
try jetpacking/rockets from whatsherface
try anything that does damage outside of 10 feet
>>337213738
>be mccree
>throw my E at Mei
>fan the hammer
>she drops dead
>B-BUT MEI HAS NO COUNTERS
>>337217204
>But most of the cast can outrange, outmaneuver, and outdamage the poor bitch.
When the vast majority of maps are tight corners or have shitloads of flanking this really isn't an issue for a competent mei.
>>337217161
That just means Mei got so close to you she got behind your shield.
>>337217069
The devs tweet about this shit nonstop and post about it on the forums, retard.
This is common knowledge by now.
>>337215219
>Pharah
>ice wall
u fuckin wot
also
>Not listing Roadhog because he fucking porks her no contest 1v1
lmao
>>337217281
If you're running around a blind corner as a character that Mei can easily kill 1v1, that's your own stupid fucking fault
Her 'flanking' is a joke too because she waddles so slowly and has no mobility apart from lifting herself up with a giant ice wall, which everyone on the map will notice
The only way to fix Mei isto make herTHICKER_______________________________________________________________________________________
>I can't 1v1 this hero in a tem game nerf
I bet you played Mage in Wow
>>337217731
top fucking kek
mages always were the whiniest subhuman shitters
HOW TO FIX MEI
1. Remove her from the video game
2. Make her real and have her sit on my face instead
>>337217635
You can counter her ult
How to fix Mei
1. Give her a face that doesn't look like shit
2. Put her on a diet
3. Give her some glasses that don't look like they were stolen from a liberal arts student
>>337217883
How to fix Anonymous
1. Give him some taste
2. Put him on testosterone boosters
3. Give him a tour of the outside world so that he can see that Mei's glasses don't even remotely resemble "problem glasses"
>>337215219
don't you consider that icewall also protects you from enemy fire? Gives you a second to re-evaluate.
Valuable. Not like reinheart, where you can't fucking shoot through him, but enemies can shoot through his shield at you.
(not saying thats OP, but certainly more difficult to counter)
Also those fast moving characters, fatchance landing a headshot on them. Freezing tracer was difficult enough in my experience. (a good tracer)
Pharoh and bastion can easily do enough damage to break down the icewall anyway.
>>337217758
this desu
>>337218427
>Pharoh
>>337216190
Mei is only not used in later games because her movement speed is shite. Difficult to return quick enough to objectives. Thats all.
>>337213738
>-Make her not be able to freeze shielded characters (She now has effective counters, Zenyatta/Symmetra are more useful)
That would make Symmetra overpowered, since then her entire team would be un-freezeable.
>>337218510
almost everyone's movement speed is shit.
>tfw mei is the most fun to play
>>337217376
>This is common knowledge by now.
If they post about it so often and the knowledge is so common it should be extremely easy to find atleast one post, tweet or comment somewhere to back up your claim senpai.
>Never bought a game at Full Price before (besides new vegas)
>Considering getting this full price because I need Pharah and Mercy in my life
>>337218826
Yes, it was very easy. I'm not doing the work for you.
>>337218691
>25 shields
>shoot them once and then freeze them
>then shoot them again to kill them
thats not op at all
>>337219146
fine, then shorten the delay on her icicle shot.
>>337219121
Then you're not supporting your argument with anything other than opinions, implications and personal perceptions, and i win said argument.
Or you are some random who just came into this discussion to fling shit.
>>337219247
Okay. It's not like I'm unwilling to compromise.
>>337219306
Except your argument is nothing but opinion, implications, and personal perceptions too. The difference is I know I'm right, and you are too worried about being wrong to look it up yourself.
It doesn't matter anyway. The original comment you replied to was about overwatch being about switching characters to counter a character that is dominating on the other team. If switching characters to shut someone down works, it doesn't really matter it the game was designed around it, does it?
Mei is completely shit, there's no need to fix her.
>>337218427
>Not like reinheart, where you can't fucking shoot through him, but enemies can shoot through his shield at you.
Literally fucking what m8? You got it the other way around you dumb shit. His shield blocks D.Va Bombs for you
>>337213738
>There she's balanced now and cant destroy every character besides another Mei in 1v1
She's already balanced now and can't destroy every character in 1v1.
>>337219982
>Except your argument is nothing but opinion, implications, and personal perceptions too.
No. My argument is simple and based around balance.
If one character can easily deal with the vast majority of other characters and requires the other team to completely change their playstyle and characters, that character is more powerful than the average character, whose winning or losing is based on general skill rather than a character being point for point more powerful than others, some part of said character should be changed to accommodate the over all power curve.
OR
We can do as you (Or that other guy) suggest and just make everyone overpowered, roll through patch notes making one character OP and another character also OP but in a way that counters the first. In which case we might as well pay $60 to play fucking rock paper scissors every week, throw skill or ability to the wind, shoot down any and all criticism of imbalance by saying "JUST CHANGE CHARACTERS BRO XDD" and just end up every other shittily balanced blizz game where one character / class is overpowered as shit to the point where people get fed up and we just end up with the pendulum of 1 character per patch being OP as shit before getting nerfed and changed anyway.
Also, i did actually try finding it, but can't find quotes from the actual devs, mostly just reddit conjecture regarding the feature.
>>337215702
No but if you turn the corner and happen to run into a Mei you have to run away... From a support character
Her icewall makes her one of the most interesting characters for sure
I don't understand hopw she's like the lowest comp pick, it's such a fantastic tool and the rest of her kit is also great
>>337221040
>implying she's a support
She's a flanking close range rapemachine
Get behind their frontline, wall them off, rape their healers, then rape their tanks with the rest of your team
>>337221040
>Support
Have you even played the game?
>>337221040
>Mei
>Support
>>337214726
Most of the video is pretty dumb, but 3:40 gets me every time
>Oh we're winning YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>337214017 SHUT. THE. FUCK. DOWN, I won't even bother reading the thread now. Thanks anon for that crispy retort.
>>337214571
>kill her before she freezes them
So, what's the point of freeze then?
>>337220645
3 seconds of googling - Jeremy Craig, Sr. Game Designer"
"When playing @PlayOverwatch you need to be comfortable with switching. Having a "main" and playing only that can make things harder for you."
https://twitter.com/jaerock83/status/640392717072076800
I guess I just disagree with your opinion that Mei is just more powerful than the average character. I think that most people overrate Mei because she takes control away from your character, and that frustrates the hell out of them.
Dòng zhù, bùxǔ zǒu
>>337221252
>>337221267
>>337221297
She is essentially support though.
People complaining about her strength or freezing are braindead and should end their miserable lives.
Real Mei's strength lies in her utility. She's the best at area denial and ult cockblocking. Not to mention general annoyance, walling spawn entrance in the facea of entire team never gets old.
>>337222103
Do you also consider Widowmaker and Hanzo support because they can highlight enemies for the team?
>>337222103
For a character that is mainly about utility and CC she's insanely strong you cuck
>>337214017
based jack dropping elite truth bombs
BUT YOU CAN STOP HER ULT BY DESTROYING THE GODDAMN DRONE YOU RETARDED IDIOT
>>337222103
Do you consider any character that provides literal "support" a support character?
If so, Reinhardt is a fucking support character by your logic.
>>337222103
When some friends and I started in the open beta, went six meis and walled an entire team into their base for a round, none of the dumb fucks figured out there were extra exits
>>337215219
pharah is a counter lad
good tracers and genjis wont get close enough to get frozen or zip away
roadhog has too much health to freeze AND kill
the only annoying thing about mei is d.va's shield cant stop her cryoblast
>>337222424
He is, no arguing.
Blizzard roles are arbitrary, don't take them as a rule.
>>337222636
That depends where you are putting your goalposts.
If you're keeping them where you just put them, you're just a faggot that thinks much too literally and needs to get over himself.
Pretty much everyone else is going to view it from the game's perspective because it's easier to discuss within the design.
>Play Junkrat
>Every time I encounter Mei it ends up a stalemate and we both just run away
If she runs at me I'll throw a trap or concussive mine her away and run, or I'll lob grenades and she ice walls and runs
Every time
4 Mei + 2 Lucio, why doesn't this dominate all tournaments??
>>337222806
Tracer vs Mei is far worse. I just avoid this kind of confrontation when playing as either because it takes fuckton of time and usually ends only when someone intervenes.
>>337213738
or maybe you just git gud lel
>>337222882
Loses to Reinhardt and Reaper
>>337214017
First post best post.
>>337214680
>hold m1
>do damage
>the pitiful 25 point shield from symmetra breaks instantly
>freezes target as normal
>>337222983
Yea, I pretty much don't even bother half the time.
>>337221646
>a chance
Currently there are almost no heroes that can do that even in theory, let alone in a live game.
Mei is annoying, both when on my team or the opposite.
Mei is one of the most balanced characters in the game. She has plenty of counters, you literally need to play her for less than an hour to figure out how to deal with her.
>>337223315
If you can't kill her then escape and pick her off. Most of the roster can do one or the other.
>>337223315
In a live game there are 5 more people on each side and countless circumstances. I'm not sure what are you getting at.
>>337223063
This. If you can actually play Reaper decently,your damage output should be enough. You also have invincibility skill to get out of range.
As Reinhardt, if you're dumb enough to let her get behind your shield, that's on you.
>>337217278
>be mccree
>throw my E at X
>fan the hammer
>X drops dead
You are a retard.
>>337213738
>She now has effective counters
She already does.
Pharrah and all long range characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHLomIxiNu4
Has a game ever plagarized music this overtly before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkle744wNag
I am the reason you bitches are complaining that Mei is overpowered. I got PotG in almost every game and no one was able to kill me 1v1. I made it possible to capture points or hold objectives.
Rejoice though, for I did not buy the game because I know Blizzard will nerfed the shit out of things people complain about. I've had my glory, and now Mei will get nerfed to the ground. I've had my fun.
>>337223920
>Reinhardt walking with shield
>straight up rush towards him, go past his shield and start freezing him
They could just kill me but they never do for some reason
Every day there's a new thread whining about a different Overwatch character.
Just learn to play your shit game and stop crying already, geez.
>>337224308
I have to assume that these people just haven't explored Mei at all
That wall is so fucking useful
>>337224308
>competitive overwatch
*farts*
mei is not OP but if she was she should probably be nerfed by decreasing/removing the mouse sensitivity slow just before you get frozen, it basically makes it impossible to hit her if she's moving properly
just a little edge in damaging her instead of cutting the hero in half
>>337223920
>As Reinhardt, if you're dumb enough to let her get behind your shield, that's on you.
did you guys even play the beta?
her LMB freeze thing can bypass the shield, she won't need to go past reinhardt
and to make things worse, when you're freezed, your shield disables as long as you're frozen
>>337224526
Why? Genuinely curious. Seemed a lot more complex and skill based than most competitive games.
>>337224413
This.
I think I still haven't seen any threads only about Winston and Reinhardt.
>>337213738
Just reduce the damage of those damn ice shards or give them damage falloff. Mei shouldn't be sniping people and getting ez kills from how much they hurt.
>>337224606
>her LMB freeze thing can bypass the shield
what
no
>>337224606
No, it can't.
>>337221669
Interesting. Still the necessity of swapping characters to hard counter i see as a negative trait to the game and if (as it now seems given context) that is core to their design philosophy, i'll wait a few balance patches and hope they can avoid the pendulum balance nonsense they get stuck to in other games.
But back to Mei, she is seen as strong because she has, undoubtedly the best kit for solely 1v1ing (as well as great area denial with her Q and wall). She can slow and stun while dealing damage with her left click. Deal massive damage and kill pretty much any stunned character with her right. And on top of all of that a get out of jail free card with her ice block (in all but a few 1v1 scenarios) that completely heals her. Her kit is just too good and like i originally said any major nerfs are likely to completely kill the character, also, i'd agree shes overrated by people calling for nerfs. But that doesn't mean she isn't a really, really strong pick.
And i think ignoring the fact shes really, really fucking strong by dismissively insulting everyone who brings it up by saying "JUST SWAP LMAO" is stupid.
>>337223840
>escape
That's not a possibility either, unless you're some very mobile hero like Tracer or Winston. Even before you're completely frozen, her gun slows you down, so you can't just walk away from her. And the freeze status that has build up remains for some time too, so even if you manage to break los for a brief moment, that doesn't guarantee you're safe from being frozen.
>>337223883
Yeah, obviously. But if at any point you find yourself face to face with her without any of your team mates helping you, then basically your only option is to flee, which is, well, not a fun way to "counter" her.
>>337224710
>Just reduce the damage of those damn ice shards or give them damage falloff.
They do have damage falloff.
I dont think this game should have any sort of "stuns" at all. Leave that shit in wow, blizzard.
>>337221669
>>337220645
Agree with the "everyone is OP" sentiment. You can get used to it, but it's pretty annoying in many cases
Also agree with the frozen state probably skewing people's perceptions, but in a game with increased headshot damage, (which Mei's gun is good at), I'm not sure it's just that.
Having a spray-n-pray slow+stun gun with decent range is pretty crazy. The cheap-ass ice block doesn't help
>How to fix x overwatch character
>Dont listen to butt blasted shitters
>>337214017
Oh jesus. Burned to the ground. Rekt, tea bee aich.
>>337224840
>That's not a possibility either, unless you're some very mobile hero like Tracer or Winston.
Are you saying those are the only mobile characters? Because you're wrong.
Also, don't forget knockbacks.
>>337224764
>But back to Mei, she is seen as strong because she has, undoubtedly the best kit for solely 1v1ing
I think that's mccree
>>337213738
Remove the ability to freeze people with her weapon and instead just slow them down and she's fucking fixed.What the fuck was blizzard thinking with the whole freezing players shit
>>337224840
>then basically your only option is to flee, which is, well, not a fun way to "counter" her.
You can just kill her. Characters like Reaper can drop her pretty easily.
It's a casual game made for retards, it doesn't need much balancing at all
>>337224764
>But back to Mei, she is seen as strong because she has, undoubtedly the best kit for solely 1v1ing
She doesn't.
>>337225041
Remove McCree's ability to stun people and instead just flash themWhat the fuck was blizzard thinking with the whole AOE on-demand stun shit
>even /v/ is butthurt about Mei
I thought you were meant to be decent at videogames.
>>337224889
see
>>337224764
It's just her overall kit for 1v1ing is insanely strong, especially when you consider her a 'defensive' classed character, i'd say shes comparable to McRee, and hes equally, if not more overpowered for pretty much the same reason, his kit is just really, really good for it. But in McRees case, atleast he doesn't have 50 more hp and his roll doesn't restore all his missing life. AND hes an offensive hero, so being really offensively powerful makes sense.
>>337224961
2bh i consider McRee overpowered aswell, but atleast hes tagged as an offensive hero and doesn't heal all his health back over 4 seconds.
>>337225134
> one of the better kits for solely 1v1ing
Happy mr pedant?
>>337225154
I agree
>>337225074
>You can just kill her.
That's the problem: you can't.
Reaper's accuracy is shit outside of point blank range, unless you get really, really like with pellet spread and mange to get plenty of extra damage with headshots.
I've killed many Reapers as Mei who thought they can just outdps me at close range. 250 hp is too much.
>>337213738
>Calling for balance changes and "fixes" before the game is even out
I bet you think Bastion is OP, Symmetra is bad, and Zarya needs buffs, too.
>>337225154
>people and instead just flash them
That sounds neat. Instead of being stunned you get like 1-2 seconds of blinding white light, but still have agency, so maybe you can dodge 1-2 of his fan shots and not instantly die because of a noskill stun.
>>337225175
/v/ doesn't even play games at all, why would they be decent at them?
>>337225340
>Calling for balance changes and "fixes" before the game is even out
????????????????????????
thats the entire point of the beta your fucking retard
>>337224764
I'd say Mcree is the best 1v1 with the added bonus of an easier time at range (no delay on his shots and I don't think they have bullet drop)
If you read about any of the tournaments, you'll see that McCree, Reinhardt, Lucio, Winston are guaranteed picks while Mei and Bastion are almost never picked (ironically, the heroes people cry the hardest about)
Yeah, her kit is useful and fun to use, but having a better team comp that stomps her team comp will net you the game way more often.
Most of /v/ is shit at video games and you can see that in here. People are vehemently claiming that mei's frost can go through Reinhardt and crying about heroes that anyone lv 10+ already figured out how to counter.
I don't see why you feel swapping characters to counter as a negative trait, either. I think I'd prefer it to ban/pick hero selection like MOBAs where you're stuck with that for the whole game. Different hero combos are useful in different sections of the same map, too, which can really give you a burst of momentum you need to close a game.
>>337215219
bait
>>337225041
>>337225154
I'd actually be okay if both are removed at the same time. But also with other stuns like Roadhog's chain (make it so you lose movement control, but can still shoot, same for Roadhog himself)
t. Mei "main"
>>337224961
Right answer, those who die to Mei are not using their mobility skills accordingly.
>Tracer's Blink
>McCree's roll backwards
>Lucio's speed
>Winston's jump
>Reaper's Shadow Walk
>Mercy's flying
>Soldier's running
>Pharah's jumping
>Genji's (supposedly weak against her) fucking turnaround slash and wall climb
What is a Mei even doing close to you guys.
>>337225242
>Reaper's accuracy is shit outside of point blank range
Reaper's effective range is better than Mei's if you have any kind of aim. Reaper should be murdering her.
>>337224868
Really? It still really freaking hurts. I've been chunked at range and lose a great deal of hp multiple times. It's not really TOO much a problem but it's kinda weird to see a dominant close range character deal hefty damage at mercy range.
Maybe I just imagined it but damn. I know I've been killed by a stray icicle a few times.
>>337224606
>her LMB freeze thing can bypass the shield,
That's wrong. In fact, Reinhart shield has a special VFX when block Mei M1.
Her gun, like all guns, can stick through the shield if you let her walk up to you and you don't react, but if she can do that and not die, then you are solo against Mei and you deserve to die, because you are a Reinhart away from your group and for some reason engaging the specialized flank punish character.
>>337225154
>>337225363
The stun is overpowered but with it gone you are going to have Tracers running amok. I feel like they should just make it slow and silence.
>>337214726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krbhq4uO0oE
>>337225501
>Lucio's speed
And knockback
>>337225175
/v/ is generally garbage at video games
>>337225516
>any kind of aim
Do you force the pellets to hit the center of the crosshair through the sheer power of your will?
>>337217469
you're full of shit m8.
If you hook mei as rodehog you get frozen before she dies. All you did was help her get in range
>>337225439
No, that WAS the point of beta. Open Beta was to whet your appetite. By the end of Beta everyone realized what Mei was for, punishing bad Genjis, Reapers, Winstons, and anyone else who thought it was a good idea to be a solo queue hero. If anything, she needs buffs to her health to let her actually contribute to the fight without her Ult.
Complaining about Mei is literally on teh same tier as complaining about Bastion, it lets everyone know they you are bad and deserve your honorary position as FREE ULT CHARGE for the enemy team, and your opinion on balance is totally invalid.
>>337225538
>if you let her walk up to you and you don't react
>keep your shield on, get ice'd
>turn your shield off to hit her with the hammer, so much winding time so you can't kill her, get ice'd
>>337225641
No, you point the mouse at her because she has zero mobility outside of walling herself away from you.
>>337213738
are the devs actually going to do any balancing off the beta data? or is it going live as is
>>337214017
ABSOLUTELY SAVAGE
>>337225501
>Mercy's flying
That's rather situational
Otherwise agree.
>>337225762
why are you 1v1ing a Mei as Rein? Your shield is for allies to shoot through, not for you to walk menacingly at strangers.
>>337225762
>Oh no, Mei is approaching to obviously get behind my shield!
>E
>S+M2 while your team finishes the suicidal THICK off
I know this is some e-sports shit, Anon, but I truly believe you have what it takes to pull off these advanced sick tricks
>>337224678
Not him but class stacking for example is pretty broken.
>double lucio/double winston/double tracer/double widowmaker in almost every "pro" match
>>337225789
And that is more than enough. The range on her icethrower is longer than it seems.
Even if you manage to get her down to 1 hp, the moment you're frozen, you're as good as dead, because of the pretty much guaranteed icicle headshot follow up.
>>337225762
>turn shield off
>charge her
>hit a wall and she instantly dies
What is your team even doing in this scenario? Are they not behind your shield? Are they just letting a Mei slowly walk up to the group?
>>337225898
I get allowing multiple of a character in casual play but why the fuck is that allowed in serious play?
>>337225821
They've started they aren't changing shit, and certaintly not based off the beta.
>>337225629
Thanks, I had forgotten about that one
>Supposed Lucio main
>>337225671
Roadhog is tanky af, keep staling, heal when she does and outDPS her.
>>337225836
>2 second cooldown
Spam that shit
>>337225471
I'm not one for balancing solely around pro players. And i think that McRee is equally, if not more overpowered then Mei, hence why hes a common double pick.
I won't argue that /v/ isn't shit at vidya, or that the majority of people clamoring for nerfs aren't mongoloids. But i believe there is a core of validity to their claims, however over exaggerated or whiny they may be, and to ignore them is just to excuse Blizzard being unable to balance for shit, something i just can't allow.
As for swapping characters / countering. I don't necessarily dislike it, i'll swap based on a teams needs, but as a core design philosophy, i fear it just enables retard sycophants to say "LOL JUST SWAP TO X COUNTER AND ITS BALANCED!" and ushering in a boring, stale scissors paper rock gameplay style, where you get characters of the patch that are just stupidly powerful and the pendulum just swings where one character/class is OP as fuck like in every other blizzard game, and people just accept / dismiss this flaw in their game because "next month someone else will be overpowered hurrdurr dw about it xdDD" instead of actually listening to the problems being brought forward by the community.
>>337225863
>>337225892
>average Overwatch player
>monitoring his teammates
>let alone that boring tank guy who sticks to the objective instead of roaming for ebin kdr
>>337225671
>If you hook mei as rodehog you get frozen before she dies
If you actually do your combo Mei dies before she even gets out of the hook stun, what the shit are you talking about?
>>337226067Gitgon
>>337226067
I feel bad for random Reinhardts.
They usually tend to gravitate towards the objective much more than other players, who just chase k/d. But in the end they die alone focused down by the defending team.
>>337226005
>They've started they aren't changing shit,
takes a lickin...and keeps on tickin!
>>337226178
>Not spamming Group up on the command wheel
>>337225931
>The range on her icethrower is longer than it seems.
And it's still nowhere near as long as Reaper's and she deals far less damage.
>>337226283
>implying that would have any effect on a team of pshhh nothing personnel reapers, genji and widows
>>337225957
>charge her
>kill her
>get her whole team in your fucking back
You'll be dead before you turn around m8
>>337213738
Mei is balance people just hate her because She makes people feel retarded for being caught away from their team.
Lone wolfs in a team game get wrecked.
>>337225821
The balancing beta already happened, only thing it didn't balance out was how shit Bastion was.
Hopefully people take less time than they did during Beta to figure out that he's terrible and to stop running straight at him, trying to drown him in bodies.
>>337226338
>nowhere near as long as Reaper's
But that's not true. Reaper has no range at all.
And her primary fire deals enough damage to left a Reaper with low enough hp to be finished off by the icicle.
I'm telling you, I did that to Reapers many times during the beta. Surely if they had that good range they'd be able to kill me more often.
>>337226348
Fuck you bitch I played a lot of Genji and I was always watching our Reinhardt's back I even waste my ultimate so the enemy focuses on me instead of our tank,cunt.
>>337225671
>If you hook mei as rodehog you get frozen before she dies.
Nigga wat?! If you hook Mei she has to hope her shift registers in time because otherwise she's dead. There is really no alternative to that situation.
>>337226493
>250 hp.
>>337226471
Even a Reaper in melee range can get a couple of shots off before popping his ghost form which completely resets how frozen he is, and then he can either leave or come out of it and shoot her in the head 2-3 more times. If a Mei is actually killing Reaper, the Reaper is shit. At worst he's almost guaranteed to escape.
>>337226348
Not cool man, Genjis are the shit.
>Honorable
>Loyal
>Shit at the game
>>337226552
You seem to think 250hp makes her Winston because that's not nearly the care. She get hooked and she's dead. That's a cold, hard fact.teehee.
>>337226478
>Genji mains
>>337225957
>she sidesteps
>you're now dead
Charging Reinhardts are the best, such easy targets
>>337214017
Fucking best goddamn post. Thank you. For the love of God.
>>337217161
That's because Mei got through your shield, dumbshit.
>>337226552
>>337225671
You don't know how to used the combo right.
I main Mei most of the time. Roadhog, and Rainhardt are my biggest threats.
>>337226552
Learn
Your
Fucking
ComboM2 Shift M1 Melee, will easily overkill Mei before her ice block can even have the chance to start animation
>>337226679
Stay mad while I harass your entire team and kill your dumb healers with a single hit
>>337226674
>cold
>>337226471
>Reaper has no range at all.
His range is a lot longer than Mei's, its just his effective range is much shorter. He should have no issue pelting Mei for large chunks of her health. Not to mention E is always there if he needs to reposition even if she gets the drop on him to begin with.
>>337218856
Buy a CD key then.
>>337226834
>His range is a lot longer than Mei's
You're aware that Mei has a long range rightclick right
>>337226674
I'm more meaning it's not a 1 hit kill in 9/10 cases.
Pellets do 4-9 damage. Even rolling every single pellet at 9 that's 225+30, or 50+30 if you're a mongoloid and use right click. On average, hooking a Mei will get you a frozen iceblock infront of you.
You might kill her afterwards, but i'm just pointing out Roadhog isn't an instakill against her.
>>337226834
>E
The animation for this shit takes an eternity to complete and signals the whole enemy team where you are teleporting to.
>>337226905
You're aware that it has a delay, low fire rate and isn't hitscan, right?
>>337226952
I mean shift. Saying E was just me being retarded because you can't E during combat and not die.
>>337226783
>enemy genji goes all spiderman fuck throwing shurikens
>hook his faggot ass
>blast his faggot face
>gg no re
The false sense of security your reflect gives you fuckers is amazing
Catching your faggot ass after your 1 second waddawadda shit desperately trying to cling to a wall to escape is the best thing to come out of this game
>>337226982
So fucking what? You're arguing for a reaper to pellet her from far with his goddamn shotgun while Meis attacks much, much more effective at range and that's just asking to get ravaged
>>337214017
>>337227118
>implying
I dashed out of so many hooks it's hilarious how frustrated those fat Roadhog's get, stay mad fatty.
>>337227138
The icicle is not something you should ever be getting kills with against anyone actively trying to kill you (except after freezing someone).
>>337226783
>a single hit
But you don't. Genji's ult is only 120 damage per hit.
>>337226932
>Pellets do 4-9 damage. Even rolling every single pellet at 9 that's 225+30, or 50+30 if you're a mongoloid and use right click. On average, hooking a Mei will get you a frozen iceblock infront of you.
No because you can't used that ability while hooked and even if you did you just wait 5 second for her to thaw.
Shit man what are you doing.
>>337227118
>play Mei
>enemy Genji
>misses all his shurikens
>tries to reflect ice spray
>runs at me with ult for free headshots no freeze even required
Every time.
>complaining about the incredibly slow death mei grants you and not the instant stun and 800 damage burst from mcREEEEEE
>>337227252
Maybe you just have to improve your aim, it actually deals a lot of damage especially when compared to a Reaper shooting at you with his shotgun, hitting one pellet for about 5 damage a pop
>>337226905
Windup makes that difficult to land though.
>>337227138
No. That was me saying he should teleport instead of wraith like an idiot. Anyways, I saying at Mei's effective range, Reaper should handle her just fine with the tools he has.
>>337227348
McCree is supposed to do that. That's the only thing he does.
This game is too small for not one but two heroes that you can't do anything against in close quarters.
>>337227252
Gone toes to toe with snipers a couple of times. They were complete shit to be fair tho.
>>337227434
>No. That was me saying he should teleport instead of wraith like an idiot. Anyways, I saying at Mei's effective range, Reaper should handle her just fine with the tools he has.
It generally seems like an even matchup to me. Both can kill each other quickly, both have tools to avoid getting killed
Hey guys, does genji only reflects projectiles back to their owners or can they reflect any projectile onto any target?
Like, is it possible to grief a teammate by purposefully shooting at an enemy Genji who will send back your own projectiles into a teammate's brain? Or will your bullets come back to you even if he's not targetting you?
>>337227296
> Oh no i'm hooked and have a few seconds to spam Lshift.
You might get lucky, but on average your hooking + shotgun to the face won't kill a mei before she can ice block. Again, you might kill her afterwards, roadhog might be good against her, but acting like hooking her = be all end all counter that will always end in her dying is stupid. Also she probably has team mates, i know when i see a mei block on my team i try to help her out.
But i mean, you're just slinging your favorite heroes big dick around ignoring everything in the actual game so you can aggrandize and gloat about your skill with said hero, so none of this really matters anyway.
I bet no pharah, mcree ult, reinhardt charge ect has ever happened against you because you're just that good at your hero.
>>337227508
Mei only kills solo players, if someone has their team around she's not going to kill anyone.
HOW TO FIX MEI:
Step 1. Don't stand near Mei.
Step 2. Shoot Mei from a Distance
>>337227653
Any projectile or hitscan attack is reflected where the Genji is currently aiming. It's not automatically aimed back at the attacker.
HOW TO FIX MEI
Step 1. Give her lot of food
Step 2. Give her more food
Step 3. Enjoy THICC
>>337214017
OP DESTROYED
>>337227720
>You might get lucky, but on average your hooking + shotgun to the face won't kill a mei before she can ice block.
9/10, she's dead. I've played Mei enough times to know that shifting after being hooked is all luck. Or maybe latency.
>>337227907
Being able to cook up a storm is the key to her heart!
I think blizzard doesn't nerf mei so she can continue to keep the bullshit of the other characters down: slowing tracer, longrange harrass and wall blocking bastion etc.).
There's no easy solution for mei, she's just too good in the right hands.
>>337214017
>>337227838
no but i want i should win running into people holding lmb
>>337222380
No, you can't. I've tried shooting it from close range with D.Va and shit just ain't breaking.
Next time play the game before you speak in all caps.
>>337217069
How fucking dense are you?
It's said so many times that is nearly the subtitle of the game.
