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If you can't get around a fucking stationary turret thats slow as molasses when he moves,
in a fucking arena shooter,
who's poster slut is a fast as fuck Australian Flash,
that also includes a hero who LITERALLY has a "Press 'E' to kill Bastion" button,
then you shouldn't be playing video games scrubby.The real problem is Mc-reeeeeeeeee. Blizz pls nerf him
>>337176915
>that also includes a hero who LITERALLY has a "Press 'E' to kill Bastion" button,
who?
>>337177196
your move op
>>337176915
>overwatch
>arena shooter
lol?
>>337177196
>>337177291
Hanzo, how clueless are you?
>>337176915
Bastion isn't a problem.
Bastion and competent teammates is the problem.
I don't see what's the problem with Bastion.
Is he within medium range? Hook him with Roadhog.
Is he far away? Use a sniper character.
Is he far away and aiming at a chokepoint you have to go through to reach him? Use Reinhardt.
That's literally it.
We needed more Overwatch threads guys.
>It's high no-AUUUGH
>>337177471
Blocking a chokepoint? Get a Genji to press E
roadhog's hook is the most broken thing in the game atm, can't even dodge it by using a tracer flash/tp as it will pull you through the fourth fucking dimension just to be sure that the lifted pickup truck owner behind the other screen can one shot you and feel good about himself. Fuck. Roadhog
>>337177196
>>337177291
Genji you dumbfucks
>it's not the free self healing with no draw backs
>it's not the high fire power in recon mode
>it's not splash damage one hit kill ultimate that's easy to spam
>b-but don't complain about the turret guys
Nice red herring
>>337176915
>arena shooter
I'm mad, you got me
>>337177664
>Genji presses E
>Bastion stops shooting
WHOA
>>337177664
>>337177579
>implying Bastion will shoot at you as you obviously approach and then melt you when the reflect is over
Genji mains are cancer.
>>337177590
>Tracer main complaining about the only ability that can stop him from flying all over the place
Things that can kill Bastion:
>Hanzo scatter arrow aimed at a smart angle
>Pharah rocket-poking from a respectable distance
>Getting the drop on him as Reaper
>Tracer
>Either sniper can do it effortlessly at a smart distance
>Killing him from behind a Reinhardt shield in a quick play
>A quick rocket+burst from 76
>Junkrat grenades ricocheted or otherwise
>Genji's reflect
Get good.
>>337176915
>Australian
She's British ya dingus.
>>337177780
that's not what I planned to kill him with, senpai
>>337177858
No she's Australian.
>>337177775
>genji's best friend, widowmaker, takes the shot while the bastion stops shooting.
Teamwork!
>>337177942
she literally has a british flag imprinted on her pants
I'd like to mention again that Blizzard has been watching the budding competitive scene very closely and noticed that nobody plays Bastion at that level. While pub players are crying about bastion being broken, Blizzard is talking about how to make him actually viable if you're any good.
He's the pyro of this game. A wall to bad players, mediocre to good ones.
>>337176915
I'd rather McCreed got nerfed a bit, either his 6-unload or the stun duration.
>come around any corner
>assCreed is there
>stuns you before you can blink
>takes his time to unload 6 shots to your dome because stunned for days
>>337177985
Oh fuck off
>>337178013
thank fuck they aren't balancing around pubs
>yfw you realized his recon mode is better than sentry if you can actually aim
>>337178012
That's just the top left quarter of the Australian flag. She's Australian.
>>337177780
>Using your reflect openly before he shoots
do you even ninja faggot?
>>337176915
>arena shooter
There he is again, another one of those retards.
>>337177775
>>337177780
>Bastion stops shooting
>Genji zips forward and attacks the bright weak spot on Bastion's Ass, killing him in nanoseconds
>>337178129
His recon mode is Soldier 76 that's less accurate
Just play S76
>>337177775
>Genji presses L-Shift
>Throws shurikens into Bastions "Fuck Me" spot
WHOA
>>337176915
is there any reason to have a character that can kill enemies in 3 seconds with minimal effort
t. bastion player butthurt at being called out for playing ezmode the character
>>337178138
>aussie
Nah she speaks proper english mate, not that rambling drivel you call language
>>337178432
yes, to pay the stupid tax, pubby
The real problem is that the game is counterpick heavy people don't change heroes as often.
A lot of people complained about the invincible Bastion + Reinhardt + Mercy on payload maps, yet no one bothers to swith to Roadhog or Widowmaker for example that completely destroys the combo.
>>337178343
>>337178239
Do you play against paraplegics? You do realize Bastion can turn 360 degrees, faster than you can run around him right?
>>337178570
They never have.
>>337178570
Genji don't run around the bastion they shift behind him
>>337178482
Our accents are pretty similar, the only difference is Australians don't sound like they have perpetual dick up their ass.
>>337178570
Genji has a cut attack that basically serves as a *teleports behind you* move.
Enemy team defending with 2 Reinhardts and 4 Bastions. We all go Genji/Hanzo and dominate until they play properly.
ive never played bastion and never will, is there any delay at all when they turn 180 degrees or is it instant, also where is the critical spot in sentry mode?
>>337178767
Your version if english has fewer words in it literally because your ancestors were a bunch of morons that were drunk so often they couldn't teach their children to speak properly
Even poo in loos are better than aussies
>>337178570
>Shitter doesn't even know Genjis moves
>Trying to talk shit about him
>>337179071
But you guys still sound like you're constantly getting reamed
>>337178089
??? That's a solution. I haven't had any trouble with Bastions.
Why haven't Genji fags realized that he isn't a hard counter to Bastion at all?
Bastion sees Genji and baits out the parry, taking a tiny bit of damage at best, then continues unloading on him.
A smart Bastion is just going to win that confrontation, lol.
>>337178013
Pretty much- I don't see them outright nerfing him, I do see them changing him in a way that makes him weaker at the n00b level but better at the pro level. Or just buffing him in a way that doesn't make him any worse at the n00b level and continuing to tell the whiners to git gud and l2hard counter.
>>337179287
Cooperation never happens with randoms, calling that a strategy is fucking stupid.
>Inb4 get some friends :^)
>>337179009
No delay, turn speed is exactly the same as any other player. There's a blue light that pops up on his butt when he's in sentry mode, that's his crit spot.
>>337176915
who cares the game is 20 tick the only people who will play this are console heroes
>>337177490
what the fuck? which hero
>>337178731
Genji's dash locks your mouse-look for like half a second, you can't turn around fast enough to hit the shurikens because the game legit won't let you. Meanwhile bastion can instantly 180 and start shooting by the time you're able to turn and start firing.
But really you shouldn't be 1v1'ing anyone, regardless of counters.
>>337177985
You have a team, use them.
>tfw I really like Bastion as a character but don't want to play such a braindead playstyle.
I just shoot him with phara
>>337179516
>Brain dead
If you want brain dead play Trobjonh or Lucio.
>>337179468
It's one of Phara's alt costumes.
/v/ complaining about Bastion just further solidifies my belief that /v/ is full of complete shitters.
It's the same shit with Techies. Somebody has to go out of their way to counter it, and the game changes.
>>337179516
you don't have to use him in a braindead way. You can use him to sort of hit and run. Set up sentry in one spot and do some work then quickly move to a new spot. Most bastion players are easy to counter because they just sit on one spot and hold left click, if you know where a bastion is you can take him out no problem
>>337179621
/v/ defending Bastion just further solidifies my belief that /v/ is full of complete shitters.
>bastion isnt op b-because genji !
How do you make it to a bastion with a torbjorn sat up slightly further than a backline bastion
Don't get me wron, there's bad bastions, but the biggest mistake they make is setting up frontline
It's genuinely difficult to get to them if their other 5 team mates even remotely pay attention
>>337178013
Bastion needs some serious love there are far too many hero's that sraight up shit on him from rocket/nade spam to just boosting into his face as D.VA he was more cancerous in his previous iteration with the shield but playing literally as a turrent isn't too engaging to play as or against but at the very least he's not quite a shit as the goddamn dwarf and those paper mache turrets
>>337179683git gud
>>337177471
>Reinhardt
Bastion breaks his shield in about 3 seconds, if that
It'll work if you have an actually competent team that uses that 3 seconds to gun him down though actually
Bastion really is the pub stomper
>>337179683
/v/ complaining about /v/ defending Bastion just further solidifies my belief that /v/ is full of complete shitters.
>>337179672
You can say that about every hero. Switching and countering is how the game is played.
>>337179732
I will one day. You never will though because you cling to your special ed crutch character.
>Jump on bastion as junk rat
>Kill him with your passive
lel
>>337179621
Same with the amount of people calling D. Va useless, despite her being one of the most well-balanced characters in the game.
>>337179557
Trob is only braindead if you try to play him like Engie.
He has a good gun and if you really want to be a helpful you need to go collect those scraps to turn into armor for your team.
>>337179621
and you're full of shit.
Even if you group with skillful friends and are coordinated enough to beat ultimately win rounds against Bastion players all the time, you're still going to die embarrassingly to them a lot because they can hide anywhere in siege mode completely silently and then kill you in half a second.
Unless you're that fag from earlier who said "I MAIN REINHARDT"
>>337179383
yeah its a team game you have to rely on your team and they have to rely on you woah.
>>337179848
>implying I play bastion
Why would anyone with half a brain play one of the most easily countered characters?
>>337179898
yes but even when being proactive if your gun 80% of the kills come from the turret, I did love throwing out armor in the beta though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ugJZXlA0oM
>>337179462
They debunked this already you tard
>>337179919
Welcome to online games, you will lose your childlike innocence soon.
>>337179557
Toblerone's gun is super fun. I just set up a turret to babysit the objective and go to town on niggers with my spikes
>>337180020
I know get misunderstand when I say that anon I love Trob he is one of the reasons I preordered. That doesn't change the fact 80% of your damage and kills come from the turret.
>>337176915
Bastion is op.
Yes you can counter him alone with Hanzo. But short from Ultimates no other character can break a bottleneck Bastion has locked alone.
>>337180018
? talk to your team or just play with friends or just get good. yeah it'll be harder if you aren't able to have your team as coordinated with you but in lowish level pubs its possible.
>>337180330
You're a retard, stop posting.
>>337180000
>bastion even gets quads
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>>337180148
>80% of your damage and kills come from the turret
maybe if you can't aim. The turret hardly does any damage on its own when it's not ulted. It mostly exists as an annoyance and distraction for people to shoot at while I shoot at them
>>337179183
>UGH FUCK STAYA BONGOS CUNT
>b-but aussies don't sound like they are getting fucked in the ass
>>337179917
>you're still going to die embarrassingly to them a lot
The only time I die to Bastion is when I'm either the first one in and they switched to him mid-game.
>>337179880
Because people don't think about how to apply her skills properly. I've blocked entire McCree ults and Phar ults by flying into their faces and hitting E. Also, fucktards continue to stand 20 meters back and shoot, thinking its doing any damage.
>>337180406
sorry i hurt your feelings.
>>337180419
>n-no u
You literally sound like you're getting fucked by a big black Muslim cock, 24/7. There's a reason British men love dressing up as women so much.
>>337180412
>genji keeps peaking and hitting my turret
>repair it to the point where another salvo of shurikens will kill it for good
>shoot on the corner and headshot him
Torb's gun hits so fucking hard.
>>337176915
Overwatch heroes run a gamut where mobility and HP is inversely proportional to damage output.
Bastion can't kill any hero in a 1v1 that's hugging some corner geometry, without fighting in recon mode.
![Overwatch-Игры-Bastion-(Overwatch)-Игровой-арт-2834049[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/24JlcEr.jpg "Overwatch-Игры-Bastion-(Overwatch)-Игровой-арт-2834049[1].jpg")
>>337176915
>They didnt keep his original design
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>>337179878
Ahh shit I wanna try that now when the game releases. I feel like that would be really easy to do on Temple of Anubis, as if the map wasn't Junkrat's personal pain train already.
![black-bastion-overwatch-hoodie-fleece-hero-robot-pullover-sweatshirt-for-men82351[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UGe7lcH.jpg "black-bastion-overwatch-hoodie-fleece-hero-robot-pullover-sweatshirt-for-men82351[1].jpg")
if I wear this, will it trigger /v/?
>>337176915
>Brawl, get Mei
>Rein and two Bastions set up on house by point A in Hollywood
>their team is assured of their invincibility so they all sit on point and emote
>I set up a hunddred miles away and hold right click
>their spread is too big to hit me reliably
>damage falloff is too much to kill me
>team slowly begins to realize my plan
>zen orbs me
>mercy damage buffs me
>76 just spams around a corner on Rein shield
>Tracer blinks all around them, making Rein turn to block her
>kill on bastion
>break shield
>kill second
>their team pushes out to get me
>drop ult in their chokepoint, wall them in it, hit shift
>team wiped, cap point, two of them quit match
>steamroll them the rest of the game
Get shit on, bad bastion players.
>>337180676
>implying I'm british
ausscuck doesn't know mocking his shit hole is an international past time
>>337180842
>scrapping a design is offensively nonsensical
damn blizz
>>337180842
That design is fucking retarded.
I like it, but it's terrible.
>>337180432
>I've blocked entire McCree ults and Phar ults by flying into their faces and hitting E.
Congratulations, you've stopped the two most easily-interrupted ults in the game. If you're good with D.Va, play Winston and do the same things better.
>>337181035
Lying on 4chan is the epitome of stupidity. Dumb Brit faggot.
>>337177471
>Use a sniper character
Which one? Bastion?
>>337180000
wow.... shitposter gets quads...
>>337180000
>>337180000
>>337180000
>>337180000
holy shit
i cant imagine how hard you guys are trying to ignore this now.
>>337181238
>Lower damage outputsomehow
>Bigger targetsomehow
>Less health
>Arguably worse Ult
>Arguably worse mobility
He fulfills an entirely different role
>>337180017
no they didnt it actually runs on 20 tick u fucking retard open wireshark and look for urself
>>337180000
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK!!!!!!
>>337181739
>u
>ur
Get the fuck out you underaged little faggot.
I can deal with the minigun and whatnot because thats just a positioning thing, but self heal was a horrible idea
If they nerf him it needs to be with his healing
>>337181241
>auscuck covering for being fooled
>n-no you have to be british even though you never said you were and it's the middle of the night there and this is a primarily us website in the middle of prime us shit posting hours
Poor auscuck
>>337180000
THE QUADS TO EXPOSE THE BASTION
>>337180412
it does ok ish damage, but it's always 100% accurate, that's where the turrets damage comes from
just hope it targets someone squishy
>>337181963
You can lie on 4chan, but you can't lie to your cock loving British self.
>>337181419
WIDOWMAKER
HANZO
>>337179919
A single character pick should require multiple players to deal with it? That's what you're saying here?
>>337176915
He looks like a Tau, therefore he is shit.
>>337176915
>arena shooter
It's a class based console shooter you fucking retard
>>337180000
>>337182218
calm down friend i was simply making a joke about bastion's effective range
hanzo's scatter arrow is a good counter though
>>337176915
sniper whore fucks this guy pretty hard if he doesn't have reinfart to help him
>>337179701
>turrent
>trying to stop the payload from being delivered
>Bastion is literally riding the load in turret mode
>A mercy is hiding behind the turret healing/buffing him nonstop
HE'S NOT OVERPOWERED GUIES I SWEAR
Seriously, he has no fucking reason to be able to go turret mode on moving surfaces
>>337180000
pls no
>Teleport behind Bastion with Tracer
>Unload into his back
>He turns around and kills me in less than a second
?????????
>>337180148
You must be terrible with the nail gun, it's a monster
>>337180000
>>337180000
great now this faggot is gonna get way more views than he needs
>>337183018
I know right fuck faggots.
>>337176915
>arena shooter
>>337176915
Bastion counters anyone that isn't his hard counter.
The fact that he has hard counters is the only reason people can attempt to claim he's balanced, but that's not how balance should work.
There isn't any other single character that forces someone to switch off their pick to deal with it.
Adaptation and character switches should be required to get around a team's strategy, not to get around a single player's character selection.
If someone on the opposing team selects Bastion, everyone else that is not his counter is fucked until someone switches to one of them, at which point Bastion becomes terrible.
That's not balance, that's shit design.
Bastion is like rock in rock-paper-scisors, if rock beat everything except fist-up-your-own-ass which ties with everything else.
>>337182775
Only map I ever find Bastion to be a problem on is during the first phase of Hollywood. Couple games have happened where he sits in that little room on the other side of the big ass door and a Mercy will babysit him. Even as a Hanzo it was nigh impossible to kill him with the reflection arrows because of Mercy, and it was legit impossible to get vision for direct arrow hits because of the rest of the team all around the point.
Other than that, though, Bastion is piss easy to deal with if you're not a moron. Only hero I think one could get away with saying they're legitimately overpowered is Mei, fuck everything about that fat piece of Chinese shit.
>/v/ complains that this game is too easy and casual
>/v/ complains about bottom-tier pubstompers like Bastion and Mei
hmmm how curious
>>337183340
>/v/ is one person
>>337177807
its not just tracer. Any hero with ~200hp cant do shit about it(mcshit, any support, genji, s76, junkrat, pharah, reaper, hanzo/widow(unlikely but still)). The range by itself is fucking broken to the point where you can't avoid getting hooked by a non-braindead roadhog unless you are across a corridor of the map
>>337183340
I don't get how Bastion and Mei are on the same level. Mei essentially has touch-of-death with freeze gun, unless you have some kind of movement option to escape it. The slow effect is the only thing about her that bothers me.
>>337176915
His turret rotation needs a nerf. Being able to have 360 view is fine, but he can turn as fast as if he was in walking mode.
>>337179516
Well a good Reinhardt will always demand a Bastion to defend a hill. they'll camp on a corner like a couple of COD douchebags doing sentry+shield combo every match killing everyone.
Find your Reinhardt Souldmate Anon, Kill noobs and enjoy your hatemail then reply to them that it's a legit strat and there's no reason to be butthurt
>Played my last game of the beta last night
>Bastion, Mercy, Widowmaker triple queue buttbuddies completely denying my team getting to the cart
>No Spy class to sneak behind and dismantle their little group.
I now realize why TF2 has the Spy. There was no getting to them because they could see EVERYBODY coming at them, and shut it the fuck down with Widow/Bastion/Mercy's damage amp. Stealth hero when?
Bastion needs some spread/falloff damage and Widow's bodyshots hurt way too fucking much.
>>337184278
>be genji
>do sick ninja flip double jump wall climbs to sneak up behind the enemy
>point blank M2+Melee+Shift combo
pretty good. depends on the map tho
>>337178259
>His recon mode is Soldier 76 that's less accurate
And won't die if somebody sneezes in your general direction.
>>337183106
i dont see the problem, its obvious he isnt there for the views unlike some dedicated youtube career faggots shilling in these same threads.
Just double jump ontop of Bastion with Genji.
Bastion can't aim straight up.
>>337184713
God, I wish the health on every hero but the tank heroes was increased by at least like 100 or so. Fucking can't stand palying anyone that isn't a tank because they're all made of paper. Feels lame as shit. Or maybe I'm too used to TF2 and other shit.
>>337176915
The problem isn't Bastion himself. It's when you have a narrow choke point you have to funnel through and you have an entire team supporting that Bastion.
Then pressing E does jack shit. It only effects the maps where there's attack and defend and all those maps are pretty much cancer anyways.
>>337177471
But I'm extremely autistic and choose to main a character, a bloo bloo bloo blizz, pls buff my main so it's better vs another character.
>>337176915
>Slow as molasses
He had reduced fields of fire and couldn't look straight up in the first beta. Wish it stayed that way.
How the fuck do you justify his turret being so goddamn fragile as well? I mean if you aren't meant to be able to healtank it like the Engineer can, then why does it still have such a pathetic lifespan? If it's meant to be like a Gunslinger Mini-Turret, then why not give it a faster building time?
I don't understand what they're trying to do with this guy, but it's upsetting because I was expecting Engineer, and got Not-At-All-Like-Engineer, his turret feels like it's nothing.
>>337180000
hahaha
its so unreal
>>337177471
>Bastion has a Reinhardt in front of him. Mercy behind him. Another Reinhardt. Torbjorn and a turret around a corner and a Sniper picking people off from far away.
Holy shit do I hate Attack/Defend maps. They are all horribly designed. Whenever we were lucking enough to kill one of them Mercy always had her ult up.
>like Reinhardt, Roadhog, and Winston
>tfw I don't know what to do as Winston other than maybe annoy somebody with his gun
>tfw nobody on my team ever uses my shield to push with me as Reinhardt and often times I'm the sole person on points or pushing payloads
>tfw suck ass at hooking people with Raodhog
Nah he needs a nerf. I main Bastion and I wreck people's shit easily. He does a fuckton of damage, has ridiculous range, and a ton of ammo between reloads.
Whenever a Genji appears and presses E, I stop shooting, then I wreck his shit. Easy shit. I have to play other classes just to have a challenge.
>>337186213
Ever Reinhardt that has done that to me (I main Bastion) I wreck his shit. His shield gets destroyed in like 4 seconds.
>>337186213
>>337186213
ah nevermind I thought you meant as a counter to bastion. Yea Reinhardt + Bastion combo is sick
>>337186445
I think he means Reinhardt stands in front of Bastion protecting him.
>>337176915
>slow as molasses
>Can whip around full 360 degrees as fast as the mouse sensitivity allows
Pick one.
>>337186549
a counter would be two reiniheart + 2 symmentra since her orbs go straight through shields and players
Would creating a new dupe hero rule fix Bastion?
Alone he is not to strong, but a team of several covering each others asses is ridiculous.
Plus that rule would make more people be likely to form actual teams instead of 2 widowmakers
Bastion/Torbjorns entire problem is bad map design. Shitty point defense maps having a single entrance is stupid.
>>337186652
And then Mercy stands behind them and laughs as the shields get destroyed in seconds from improved damage.
>>337176915
That whole fucking game is scrubby, don't fucking kid yourself.
Does Genjis deflect hurt opponents?
>>337186213
This is all nice in theory but in reality bastion does 10 billion million DPS and reinhardt crumbles like paper before the almighty stream of bullets.
>>337186782
2 orbs will weck any bastion since he won't be able to move in time
if he does move you get your chance
>>337186887
If your looking straight at them, yes.
>>337177490
got damn, that's cool as fuck
>>337185973
Junkrat.
>>337186779
Fucking Volkskya Industries Point B. The biggest choke point in the game.
>>337183721
Have you tried moving around? You know, NOT camping?
>>337187009
>HEROES NEVER DIE!
>THE DRAGON CONSUMES YOU!
>>337187375
Two Reinhardts meant a shield was always up and you couldn't shot it over the shield because there was a bridge right in front of them meaning you hit that if you tried. I fucking hate Attack/Defend maps.
>>337187009
Roadhog's hook doesn't go through Reinhardt's Shield.
>Sentry mode can't headshot
>self-repair now has a cooldown of 5 seconds
Fixed
>>337185813
>He had reduced fields of fire and couldn't look straight up in the first beta. Wish it stayed that way.
Yeah but he also had a Reinhardt shield
>>337176915
>be junkrat
>run around towards point
>killed by bastion
>go back, c4 jump to see where he is and lob some nates
>lob shot nates over a wall
>Kill bastion
easy peasy
>>337188071
>wanting to nerf bottom-tier trash like Bastion
What's next, calling for Mei nerfs?
>>337179880
>people think D.Va is useless
you're joking nobody's THAT retarded
>>337188672
I am.
>>337188545
>balancing around 6v6 play where everyone knows each other and is communicating
Sure way to make the game die fast
>>337188545
>people complain about mei
>they're too stupid to switch to one of her many counters such as mccree, phara, reaper, or roadhog
>>337182339
Not nevesarilly. A genji and widowmaker pick are more than just for a single bastion, though that can be considered if that single hero is that much of a problem. Really, while draft is definitely important, execution is even more important in a game like this.
>>337178638
>>337178731
>>337178817
>>337179130
So you zip behind him and now both of you are back to back. You both turn around at the same time and he melts you. Good job.
>>337188715
How about you just git gud? You guys won't shut up about this game being for casual babies, so it shouldn't be too hard, right?
>>337188715
This. Devs need to stop building their games around the "MLG pro scene" and start building it around the bulk of the playerbase.
>>337176915
at this point I find Torbjorns turret way more annoying than bastion.
Once that damn thing on locked on to you it has just ridiculous reaction speed.
even if you peek around the corner for a millisecond it shoots at you.
>>337188975
Only so much X character can do in 1v2 situations, most people can't do shit. Alot of characters can't get around the map well, and since EVERYONE is slow as fuck Bastion just reaps on that shit.
>>337189215
I'm seeing a lot of excuses and not a lot of gitting gud
>>337188672
The amount of people saying stuff like "she's just a worse Winston" or "she does no damage" is absurd.
People really are this bad at the game.
>>337189375
Memeing doesn't magically make the game balanced.
>Bastion is forced out of Turret mode if he is hit with X amount of knock back damage
>X is equal to or less than the force of Phara's E rocket, Junkrat's command detonated sticky bomb, D.Va's flying ram attack, and a few other moves I can't think of
Would this fix Bastion if you could, rather than killing him, simply knock him out of killing mode with a single attack, forcing him to either sit through setting up again or fight with his well balanced assault rifle?
I know Roadhog can hook him out of it, so it makes sense that other abilities should be able to force him out of it as well, and most of these are fairly easy to hit him with even with a Reinhardt guarding him.
>>337185979
You should be attacking any and all squishy characters from behind and the sides and be a general nuisance, that's his strong suit. Leap over an advancing group on top of their support in the rear while holding the fire button then drop a shield so the others can't hit you as you rape their Zenyatta/Mercy. You should be leaping a lot in all honesty. And pop your Ult if it's up and you are gonna die, you can knock em around for a while and waste their time as they focus on you before leaping away.
>>337189380
I've never seen a D.Va that I didn't destroy, and I played for about 40 hours during the beta, and nearly every game had a D.Va. So I'm to believe every single one of the hundreds of D.Vas I destroyed were all bad? Nah, she's just shit.
>>337189450
Bastion isn't overpowered
Widowmaker is
Git gud
>Attack team, Route 66
>Gates open
>2 Bastions, 2 Reinhardts as their personal shields, a Mercy and a Widowmaker
That must have been a premade because that game was fucking brutal. I think I was the only one who did damage to any of the Bastions as Junkrat but that fucking shields just made them too powerful.
>implying I'm always aware of Bastion's location
>implying he can't transform in 1 second and move away
>implying I'm able to escape if he makes a surprise attack from 353810 miles away
>implying his team isn't protecting the places where I can surprise him
he's literally a tank sniper that lets you kill by pressing click while aiming to any part of the enemy and after shooting for ages it reloads in 2 seconds, that's simply not right
Can't wait to see you pro Bastion mains destroying everyone in tournaments :^)
>>337189681
I feel the same about Winston, m8, but people keep telling me he's great.
So, yeah, I guess you are. 'Cause she's not.
>>337188672
Case in point.
>>337185872
I swear to fuck whenever I see this god damned jewish viking engie-clone I always think his beard is an ass in the thumbnail and click it only to realize I just got my dick hard over the fucking robot midget guy
>>337183138
Even then people that are considered his hard-counters aren't really if you think about it. For example, Genji is widely mentioned as a counter but all Bastion has to do is let go of LMB for 2 seconds and blow him up after.
The fact that Bastion defenders even in this very thread try to qualify his counters in a vacuum where the Bastion is literally just holding LMB shows how much depth the character has even to the apologists.
>>337190073
>I always think his beard is an ass in the thumbnail
OH FUCK I SEE IT NOW
>>337189967
Any competent player can make Bastion a real threat if you actually play intelligently and don't huddle up in one place the entire time. He's still incredibly lethal in recon mode.
>>337190005
No, Winston is shit too, As Roadhog he has never given me problems, just hook and point blank 2 shot his fat ass. He did get me a few times as a squishy but overall Winston is the second shittiest tank.
Stop being a contrarian fuckwit, D.Va and Winston are garbage.
>>337190239
>Any competent player can make Bastion a real threat
And yet he sees almost no tournament play, outside of a few gimmick strats that involve using him to score a few sneaky ambush kills and then switching heroes afterward
>>337190297
>Stop being contrarian
Oh, the irony.
>>337176915
>arena shooter,
How low this term has gone.
>>337190297
D.va at least can get behind the enemy and explode
Winston is absolute shit. Crap weapon, useless abilities and shit super.
>>337190474
Do you know what contrarian means? Most people think D.Va is garbage, because she is. You say she isn't. Do you know what irony means?
>>337189706
This is one of the reasons why I'm a bit disappointed there's no hero with an invisibility ability.
The closet thing is Reaper's teleportation move, and to a lesser extent Wraith Form.
Getting camped by ReinBastionerdts like that makes for a good argument for more abilities like that.
>>337189702
Widow would be balanced at 150hp
>>337190646
>Most people
Some people on 4chan are not "most people".
You're the 1 person who went against 2 people saying D. Va isn't shit for no apparent reason. That is, you went against what was (currently) the majority, just for the sake of doing it. You can say whatever you want about how "I haven't met a single good D. Va, I kill her 10 times in every match!" or whatever, but that doesn't mean anything. I can make the exact same claim about Roadhog.
>>337176915
>tfw seeing /v/ complain about bastion has revealed that /v/ is full of crying scrubs
>>337190923
I can't wait until a spy hero is created and causes so much butthurt from Bastion shitters and Dwarffags
>>337177664
>Genji presses E
>Bastion shoots other characters
>Matchup imbalance gets Genji killed because Bastioned killed all his m8s.
Yeah, Genji for sure counters Bastion
>>337191140
As much as I like the idea of Widowmaker dying from a bodyshot from another Widowmaker, the best way to balance her would be to either make her ultimate only work for herself, or to increase the charge up time on her scoped in view
>>337191152
>no apparent reason.
So dominating literally every single D.Va I've ever seen, and there were many, with all the waifufags, isn't a reason to think she's shit?
>>337191258
Charge time of scope should be done regardless.
Bastion was never a problem, probably because i tend to run a lot and COVER BEHIND WALLS LIKE INTELLIGENT PLAYERS DO.
Now Reaper, damn that's a dangerous foe when people play it well.
>>337180842
transforming would literally kill her.
>>337191258
How about making it so she can't rapid fire that fucker to get the kill after getting a 100% body shot.
>>337191494
With Reaper you're never expecting it either because 99% of his players are edge lords who are total garbage.
>>337191316
As I've already explained, no.
I can make the same claim about any other character, but that doesn't make that claim true.
I'm a long time fighting game player, so I'm used to people complaining about what is and what isn't OP. Every single time, the discussion ends with nobody giving an inch on their original position, and everybody having wasted their time. I'm tired of that shit, I don't want to deal with it in every single fucking game I play. It's annoying when talking about fighting games, it's annoying when talking about Soulsborne games, and it's annoying when talking about FPS games.
If you've been on 4chan for any length of time, I'm sure you know this already, so why're you starting a discussion you know is completely pointless? Are you just wasting time?I mean, that's what I'm doing, so I wouldn't blame you, but come on man, there're better ways to waste time than this.
>>337191824
>sappy hypocritical wall of text
Shut yo bitch ass
>>337191494
Yeah, 99% play him like total shit.
>>337192027
>Wall of text
It's not that long, fucking read it.
>>337191686
>>337192042
That doesn't matter if you're a Roadhog main like me, where you're slow and fat as fuck and it only takes 3 of his 8 shots to kill you.
Stopping Bastion isn't the problem.
It's the rest of his team stopping me from stopping him that's a problem.
>>337191891
Is there a version with just the first picture?
Reinhardt best.
That is all.>Best feeling when your charge hits an enemy Mercy
>>337190923
What DO you do against this, though? I find Pharah "peek and shoot" is nice, but when there's a Rein just standing there, ???
You can use Symmetra and throw out her orb thing but it takes a million years to charge and they can definitely find the time to move if they really need to.
>>337192802
What happens when two Reinhardts charge at eachother?
>>337192905
They bonk into each other and both get stunned. It's actually super adorable. Because both usually swing while backtracking in embarrassment.
Does everything in Beta transfer when the game comes out?
>>337193253
Nope, hope you didn't earn a costume you actually really liked.
>>337193360
Really? Nah, but it would have been nice. Maybe I'll get luckier with my loot boxes
>>337185973
Played against this last night.
>Be D.va
>Sit behind payload where they can't shoot me.
>Shoot my nuke at them and then push cart into checkpoint
>Rinse repeat until we win
As long as they're not sitting on top of the payload it's easy to push past them. Especially if you have a Mei or D.va. You don't even need to kill them, just negate them.
>>337193526
Pretty unrealistic considering the uptime on your ult and how if they're smart they will just flank you and/or swarm the payload preventing you from moving it.
>>>337187375
>Two Reinhardts meant a shield was always up and you couldn't shot it over the shield because there was a bridge right in front of them meaning you hit that if you tried. I fucking hate Attack/Defend maps.
Anon, when the team doesn't have a balanced comp, your team doesn't need a balanced comp either. Switch to Winston and get a teammate to do the same, and double up on that group. Shield from Widow while you rape Mercy with that gorilla dick. They'll all be dead in a second.
>>337179618
tfw i got it in one of my first few loot chests and will have to unlock it again at launch
>>337192885
Well, Reaper is actually pretty good for that if you use him right. He could have teleported out of spawn to someplace out of sight and jump one of the Bastions, maybe even kill him and the Mercy before Widow or the other Bastion killed him.
Phara would be another okay one, try and land her knock back rocket ability behind Reinhardt's shield, that should disrupt them enough to hopefully land a killing blow on Bastion.
As you described, Symmetra's tactic would work as well. If they are moving, they aren't laying down Sentry Gun murder on you, so if you could coordinate, your team could push out and focus fire on them.
D.Va's shield is directional, so if they are split up she would get shredded from the side, but if they are near each other or not covering each other, you could at least distract them.
Roadhog can pull Bastion right out of Sentry and has a decent 600 health pool so he won't melt as instantly as others.
Most other tactics would require some damn good teamwork though, like a stack of 2 or 3 Reinhardts cycling their shields or a pair of D.Vas synchronized rocket boosting at the Bastions with their defense matrices up.
I'm sure there are some other great ideas, I just can't think of them.
>>337181012
REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>337179321
a genji would back off if he noticed the bastion wasnt attacking. then he just corner peeks and tosses shurikens.
>>337193876
What are they going to swarm the payload with? They got 4 members of their team baby sitting Bastion.
Between d.va and the rest of your team you can have plenty of zoning ults that prevent them from doing a thing. Zarya, Hanzo and Mei all have ults that force them to move or pull them out of a defensive posture. It's not a hard tactic to beat, except by disorganized pubs where people don't understand to push the damn cart.
>>337194171
>What are they going to swarm the payload with? They got 4 members of their team baby sitting Bastion.
Assuming your opponents are bad is a terrible way to make strategies for any game, just so you know. Here's my counter argument, what if they aren't? What if they aren't shit?
>>337191107
What if the bastion player changes position every time you die. So you never know where he is until after he kills you in less than a second?
Bastion, Roadhog, Soldier 76, Genji and McCree are all anti-fun burden of knowledge toxic characters who need to be changed desperately. I don't understand why Blizzard allows them to ruin the game while they refuse to buff underpowered champs like Tracer, Hanzo, Widowmaker and Lucio.
>>337194331
If they aren't complete shit, then you can assume that your teammates aren't shit either. They pull off to defend payload, then your teammates have opportunities for flanking bastion, picking them off from other angles etc. Either way, the key is pushing the objective aggressively and not trying to kill them when they are entrenched.
This is something that worked for me in a pub where I pretty much solo pushed the cart the whole way.
In an organized environment, you don't see Bastions at all. Word on the street is that people just use Mei's ice wall to cockblock him but I haven't paid a lick of attention to competitive overwatch.
>>337194392
Bring a widowmaker/hanzo for dem sweet wallhacks.
>>337194474
(You)
>>337177490
>Literally Ranger X skin
10/10 best skin for such a shit character
>>337178089
You seem mad that you just got shut down by what would actually happen
>>337177490
>mfw I pause it at the wrong moment and get this monstrosity
>>337191891
OH SHIT
>>337176915
>arena shooter
>ANYTHING like an arena shooter
goddammit so this is what being triggered feels like
>>337179618
Welp I guess I'm playing pharah only when the game comes out. That is a damn fine mecha armor skin.
>>337176915
I never deal with and can never deal with Bastion. At one point I gave up all together from dealing with him and just hide behind the payload until someone deals with him
>>337199606
It's called animation, friend.
