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>>337159992
It's an allegory for ayy lmao sex
Did the player character's motivation ever get explained or was it all attributed to muh determination?
>>337160706
he came to yharnam to cure his sickness using blood . In return he has to stop the plague of beasts
>>337160706
I assumed you don't have a choice. You're stuck in a constant, unending loop of death because of the contract, unless you go out and find the source of the nightmare. Then you can escape it.
>>337159992
Bloodborne is a game about mercury poisoning.
The old blood is mercury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamata_disease
>>337161115
wow i didnt know about this. Thank you for this
You're dying of some rare disease of the blood.
You hear rumors that the city of Yarnham has doctors that do some crazy healing shit involving blood.
You go there because it's literally your last hope to survive.
When the guy gives you a blood transfusion, something from the Hunters Dream decides you look like you might make a good hunter, and traps you there.
>>337161115
Pretty sure that mercury doesnt turn people into werewolfs.
bump
>>337161772
Is it the Moon Presence or Gehrman determining who is a suitable Paleblood hunter?
>>337163626
if you think back to the intro cutscene, you remember a beast who is reaching out to you and then it burns to death. This represents you having enough willpower to resist your transformation into a beast. i think thats how they find people suitable enough to become a hunter
>>337163626
Gehrman, I'm pretty sure. He's stuck in the Hunter's Dream of his own choice specifically so the Moon Presence leaves everyone else the fuck alone. He became it's surrogate child.
>>337164092
Of his own choice, are you sure? What about him crying in his sleep begging Laurence or Willem to save him?
>>337164265
He took one for the team, so to speak. He's hosting the Dream so other hunters are able to survive the hunt and leave when morning comes. He pretty much tells you that explicitly when you fight him. "Let me set you free. You'll end up in the waking world." or whatever he says exactly.
How come my character became a slug?
Did eating those umbilical cords turn me into an ayy lmao?
>>337164908
that and absorbing the moon's blood
>>337164908
As far as I know, your character gains enough Insight to ascend and be reborn as a Great One. Similar to Rom, who was also originally (presumably) human.
>>337164908
Assuming the old ones can't directly interact with eachother, the umbilical cords enhanced your own blood with theirs, which stops the Moon Presence from controlling you, letting you fight it.
Killing it and taking its blood triggers your rebirth as a greater being.
could someone try to explain the plot to me? I fear i'm retarded because it's not getting cohesive in my head
>>337165202
>>337165084
>>337164993
Ah okay.
The whole story of the game confused me, cuz it makes no fucking sense.
Unless you know all the story, but even then I don't get how people can tell all it.
>>337159992
Bloodporne you say?
>>337165529
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/edit?pref=2&pli=1
i hope you like to read
>>337164908
I think it basically made you ascend into a being so powerful your human body couldn't handle it anymore.
>>337160706
The note at the start of the game pretty much explain's the player character's reason for being in Yarnham in the Japanese version. For whatever reason they left out the fact that you wrote that note in the English version and it says "Seek Paleblood to transcend the hunt." rather than "end the hunt".
>>337165529
Old blood found by Byrgenwerth scholars in the chalice dungeons/Phtumerian ruins (it's probably the blood of the Great Ones), Healing Church founded on it because it has magical healing properties, oh shit it actually turns people into beasts what the fuck, the Hunts begin in order to cleanse Yharnam of beasts and a vicious cycle begins, but also there's a bunch of darker shit involving the Great Ones, rituals, dreamscapes and hybrid children.
Alternatively get a few beers and read the doc >>337165879 posted.
>>337165529
To put it short.
Some doods finds horrific things in an ancient dungeon, they try to use that shit to become gods but instead they infect the city with blood that turns them into beast, the church use hunters to take the beasts down.
Why is the moon so big in the Nightmare of Mensis? And why is it white instead of red? Is it the same moon we see in the waking world? Is the Moonside Lake part of the nightmare, or the surface of the moon, or something else entirely?
Someone says the enemies who look like beasts are actually just humans, but we see them as beasts.
Is this true?
Does they see me as a beast while I'm in human form, cuz after I kill them they all call me a beast.
Is everyone seeing each other as beasts when we're all human looking?
Post yfw you find out what has become of the most legendary hero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rYpysA3UuA
>>337166701
Doubt it, they just call you a beast because the Scourge is driving them mad and making them bloodthirsty and paranoid.
>>337165879
I do and this looks like it'll be a great read, thanks anon
>>337166408
>>337166493
If this is the beginning it seems pretty simple concept, I'll read the doc for the deep stuff and everything else
>>337161115
>>337161276
This is from a Redgrave video. I don't remember which one.
>>337167334
>Redgrave
I just found out about his essay that >>337165879 posted the other day, I read through all of it in a couple of hours. Shit's fucking fascinating.
why do some individuals/beasts cover their eyes? is it to prevent insight/blind themselves to the crazy old god shit that would mindfuck them?
why is Ludwig living with a pile of corpses?
Did he lose his mind and murder people even though they weren't beasts?
>>337167958
Probably a combination of avoiding going crazy from gathering Insight (which is done through seeing certain things) and a matter of keeping the eyes implanted inside one's brain inside their head.
What was the big secret in behind the old hunters?
that some people killed kos, or some say kosm?
>>337159992
>14 insight at Cleric Beast
lel
>>337169057
It's that you're gay lol
>>337169057
The question is Byrgenwerth or Mensis?
His spirit turned into Formless Oedon roaming the lake.
What the fuck are the great ones though? Aquatic beings from deep underwater? Ayy lmaos? Beings from other dimensions? Or humans that ascended into a greater plane? This games lore is /x/ tier.
>>337169057
I would like to know this, too.
Also where did Kos fit in the pantheon? Was he an important old one?
If i'm asleep in the doctor place then how the fuck do i end up outside in yharnam at the end of the game? and why are all the yharnamites telling me to fuck off?
>>337169373
Aliens that are both deep underwater and underground?
>>337169579
wat
>>337166365
that explains a lot. I had no idea what that meant
>>337161115
i thought the old blood healed you tho
>>337169407
Kos is the being stranded on the beach. The thing you fight at the end is the Orphan of Kos.
>>337168048
i think that he was killing anyone who was trying to get to the fishing hamlet and end the hunters nightmare, so the corpses were people who tried and failed
Is Maria really sleeping?
>>337169775
Yes I understand that. I just wondered how important Kos was.
Also, who was Rom before she became the spider?
>>337169373
"kin of the cosmos"
"the sky and cosmos are one"
i believe that they are ayys
at least, the original ones like oedon and ebrietas were ayys
>>337169981
>sleeping
She's a corpse.
>>337169981
WAKE UP YOU UGLY SON OF A BITCH RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>337170035
I'd say a lab rat for Byrgenwerth. Maybe a student.
>>337169407
As far as we know, Kos is the only true Great One ever encountered. Mergo is an infant, Ebrietas is traumatized and just mourns all day, One Reborn is a shitty pthumerian imitation, Rom is a shitty human imitation, MP is trapped in a weird space dimension and has to rely on hunters to do its bidding, the shoggoth in Mensis is all sorts of fucked up. Kos was the real deal.
>>337170532
>One Reborn is a shitty pthumerian imitation
I thought it was a Mensis experiment
I got a friend who says Bloodborne was fun, but felt thatthe lore is weaker in comparison to Dark Souls.He never really elaborated on why, but do any of you anons feel the same?
>>337170739
I fucking love both. But i think bloodborne's lore is deeper than the 3 games combined.
>>337170739
Dark Souls has had three games to build up its mythos, so I don't think you can truly compare the two.
>>337170739
I've only played Dark Souls 2 so far and didn't gave a shit about the lore. It seemed like the story was disconnected from the gameplay and the visuals way more than the Bloodborne's.
Learning about Bloodborne felt more organic and there were many twists and turns along the way.
>When I first encountered Maria, I had naturally assumed she was talking about her own corpse. Now that I had seen what lay beyond her care, everything fell into place. As I wandered around the Fishing Hamlet, taking a look at its design and features, I came to a new conclusion. Look at how the Kin of the Hamlet throw their harpoons; how the Giants wield massive anchors; how the wrecks of mighty vessels line the coast. This isn’t some quaint fishing village, it’s a whaling town. Prior to the release of the DLC, many players had noted the strange masts sticking out of the water in the Nightmare Frontier. We can now see the origin of these vessels, the Hamlet. The villagers must have sighted the Great One Kos in the sea one day, rising up and taking arms to kill what they must have perceived as a monster. They hunted and killed her, losing many of their whaling ships in the process but inevitably returning home victorious, having sent the creature back to the sea. But one day, the corpse of the dead Great One washed ashore. When the villagers investigated the corpse they found it teeming with parasites, which soon infected and took over the minds and bodies of the villagers, transforming them into the Kin that we encounter them as.
Most interesting and spooky part of Redgrave's essay in my opinion.
>>337169373
>Kosm
They were ayys for sure
>>337170912
Play DS1 senpai it's better.
>>337170912
>I've only played Dark Souls 2 so far
Post discarded.
>>337171169
I only have semi decent laptop and PS4.
>>337170106
kos is the corpse
>>337170989
didnt bergynwerth experiment on the town? the guy at the start rants about bergynwerth after all
>>337170624
I think Mensis was in charge of Yahargul at one point, but by the time the player gets there, they're all dead and some pthumerian bell-ringing bitches have taken over.
>>337170989
The fact that the villagers refer to her as "Mother Kos" suggests that they worshipped Kos as some kind of god. Whether that was before or after the dead body washed up on their beach is a mystery. I don't think they were responsible for her death though.
>>337171253
than buy DS3 better than DS2 and has way more connections with DS1 than DS2.
DS2 kind of took the lore of DS1 and threw it in the trash. Still a fun game though.
>>337171359
That makes sense. Maybe by using the ritual to create the One Reborn everyone in Yahar'gul got melted into the boss, but how the Pthumerians got there?
>>337170989
The entireity of Bloodborne is a love-note to Lovecraft, but The Old Hunters in particular is one to Shadow over Innsmouth.
>>337171506
No idea, but they're all over the chalice dungeons, there's no reason a few of them couldn't have made their way to the surface.
>>337169407
>the pantheon
Great Ones aren't gods. They're beings with powers so incredible that we, meek little humans, see them as such. In the grand scheme of things, they're just creatures like us. Great Ones are to humans what humans are to ants. You kill a few in the course of the game.
Kos was just a Great One who either washed up dead one day, or was hunted by the fishing hamlet since, again, they're very killable.
>>337170532
Is Mergo's Wet Nurse not also a legitimate Great One? And you could interpret Moon Presence's existence not as being "trapped" in another dimension, but simply belonging to one we cannot comprehend. Can you imagine how difficult it must be to exist in a dimension you're not inherently a part of? Of course not. That's sort of the point.
>>337171436
DaS2 is way better in lore than 3, which retcons everything, makes no sense and is literally "throwbacks" the game.
at least 2 tries to advance the concepts 1 started, as well as introduce original ones.
and for all the "dudes with armor" in 2, DaS3 is LITERALLY nothing but dudes in armor with fiery second phases, and has no environmental variety at all. Even DaS2 has more variety. Honestly when I try to play 3, it just makes me want to go back to DeS.
>>337171707
I'm not getting it either i usually wait for a year and buy goty. It's cheaper on my country to buy goty rather than to pay for DLCs.
>>337171832
>dudes in armor with fiery second phases
this really bothered me.
>>337171832
I do agree with some things you say. DS3's lore literally added nothing.But in my opinion DS2 just mentioned about DS1 so little that sometimes i forgot that they are in the same universe.
>>337171832
Here's the thing, people weren't complaining about humanoid designs in 2, but humanoid player-like movements.
>>337172207
thats why it was good though. it takes the base concept of the lord souls and says that when you link the fire they reincarnate eventually, but thats it. countless kingdoms have risen and fallen. all thats left of firelink is some ruins under that house in majula, and the sunlight statue, which seems almost like it was excavated out of the mountain.
similar concepts inevitably arise, the flame of chaos, for one, and a king with silver knights who tries to fight the chaos and fails, resulting in burnt knights, but takes them a bit further. gwyn ended up all burnt and the black knights are literal roaming ghosts. Ivory king and his loyce knights were absorbed by the chaos and became it's enslaved protectors.
the idea of the shards of manus was interesting, and overall i just preferred the story revolving around the kingdoms of man, and how they reacted to the curse past the age of lords.
while DaS3, which is way after 1, goes back to the lords and gods as a crutch and basically just sort of retreads DaS1 but with a new gimmick of being unkindled instead of undead. and then the rest of the game is DaS1 and DeS rehashes and throwbacks.
>>337159992
do you have to have psn+
>>337165879
Haven't finished the game yet, but I love shit like this. Looking forward to reading, thanks for the link anon.
why is maria in the nightmare realm and why does she care so much about what people did to kos?
>>337173152
no, you dont, though summoning people make some fights less of hassle. But you should at least try and attempt the boss 5-6 times before you summon
If Maria died in the real world, how does she end up in the hunter's nightmare?
>>337175538
Dreams are alternate planes. Micolash and Gehrman are also dead in reality but alive in a dream.
>>337175793
Micolash would have entered the dream before his physical body died.
How does it work for those who die THEN enter?
>>337176014
they cant enter if they're dead.
>>337169735
Maybe it's going the fact that alchemists thought mercury would extend your life, which was how the first emperor of China died.
>>337164054
But it got hit by a Molotov cocktail
>>337178209
it didnt
watch it again
>>337160706
They were seeking Paleblood, as explained by the Blood Minister at the start. Chances are they were very sick on top, hence Doll's line about "sickly spirit".
It's stops mattering once the contract is signed.
MOON PRESENCE CURSED LORAN WITH VERMIN BECAUSE THEY SIRED BASTARDS WHICH VIOLATED THEIR BREEDING CONTRACT WITH THE GREAT ONES. VERMIN CAUSE BEASTHOOD. YHARNAM IS VICTIM TO BEASTS BECAUSE OF CARELESS USE OF VERMIN INFESTED BLOOD.
QUEEN ANNALISE IS THE LAST REMAINING MEMBER OF THE PTHUMERIAN ROYAL LINE. SHE IS SEEKING TO BECOME PREGNANT WITH A CHILD OF OEDON LIKE QUEEN YHARNAM DID. ANYBODY WHO CAN SMELL THE MOON ON YOU IS OF CAINHURST DESCENT.
KOS CURSED BYRGENWERTH WITH BLOOD ADDLING AS RETRIBUTION FOR THEIR ATROCITIES AT THE FISHING HAMLET. NOW THEY ARE DOOMED TO SUCCUMB TO AN ENDLESS AND OVERWHELMING BLOODLUST AS PUNISHMENT FOR THEIR BLOODTHIRSTY BEHAVIOR.
MENSIS IS TRYING TO USE MERGO TO ACCOMPLISH ASCENSION. THEY TRIED GRANTING HIM A BODY WITH THE RITUAL THAT CREATED THE ONE REBORN. THEIR FIRST ATTEMPT AT ASKING MERGO FOR BRAINS WITH EYES ON THEM RESULTED IN A GIANT STILLBORN BRAIN COVERED IN EYES. YOU STOP THEM FROM USING MERGO AS AN ELDRITCH LURE FOR MOON PRESENCE.
DJURA'S THIRD ALLY IS PAARL. YOU CANNOT BEFRIEND DJURA BEFORE YOU HAVE MET OR KILLED PAARL. PAARL GUARDS AN ENTRANCE TO OLD YHARNAM. THE OTHER TWO ALLIES ARE THE HUNTER IN OLD YHARNAM AND THE GATLING GUN HUNTER IN THE DARK BEAST CAVE IN THE HUNTER'S NIGHTMARE
HUNTERS OF HUNTERS OATH IS BASED IN THE FISHING HAMLET. THE FIRST HUNTER OF HUNTERS CAME FROM A PLACE WHERE SKY BURIAL WAS TRADITION. FISHING HAMLET HAS SKY BURIALS. HUNTERS OF HUNTERS DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE CURSED BY KOS.
LUDWIG WAS GUIDED MY MESSENGERS. GUIDANCE RUNE DEPICTS A MESSENGER. THE HOLY MOONLIGHT SWORD WAS A GIFT FROM THEM AND HAS THE SAME PATTERN ALONG THE FLAT OF IT'S BLADE AS THE GREATSWORDS WIELDED BY UNDEAD PTHUMERIAN SOLDIERS IN THE CHALICES. MESSENGERS ARE PTHUMERIANS WHO HAVE ASCENDED TO GREAT ONE STATUS. HOWEVER, THEY ARE CHILDLIKE AND PLAYFUL BECAUSE THEY AREN'T MATURE YET. ASCENSION IS CONSIDERED A REBIRTH AND SO THEY BECAME CHILDLIKE AND SILLY AS A RESULT.
>>337164054
>This represents you having enough willpower to resist your transformation into a beast.
Vaati please go
>>337180121
well what is your interpretation of that scene?
>>337160706
The hunter was just going through a sweet little jaunt through the old town and cathedral, and maybe paying a visit or two to a few outlying dimensional realms.All while slaughtering every single innocent creature in the way.
>>337180058
But who was asking for the password?
>>337167958
revealed by the eye of the blood drunk hunter.
essentially, once the hunters started getting whisked away to the Hunter's Nightmare, superstition arose that having your eyes exposed would cause you to disappear. Hence, people cover their eyes.
also probably has something to do with forsaking natural sight in favor of eyes on the inside.
>>337180479
>Innocent
I need the picture from DaS1 where the Undead is told that the inhabitants of the Painted world are good.
>>337181329
One of the Graveguards.
>>337181453
>implying those sweet monsters didn't deserve to liveThe Hunter is a mass murderer.
>>337169373
gods beyond human comprehension. helpful spirits who are simply beyond us, but are not above interacting with us.
Kos helped the villagers of the fishing hamlet, they worshipped her, and in return she helped them ascend to become Kin.
Moon Presence on the other hand is much more manipulative and harder to understand. He clearly traps hunters in the dream for the purpose of acquiring blood echoes and amassing them, but who the fuck knows what his deal is. Like I said, beyond our comprehension.
Lore is for nerds and beasts. I'm at 50 arc and 25 Str, what should I keep raising?
>>337169579
>le it was all a dream
it's not that simple you stupid fuck, did you seriously think you just go to sleep and the whole game takes place?
>why are all the yharnamites telling me to fuck off?
hunters are in part responsible for the curse on yarnham, and they caused a lot of problems. Redgrave has a video theorizing that the PC was a cultist of some sort from the fishing hamlet as evidenced by their previous relationship with brador, and if that's true, then the player truly is at fault for the curse laid by Kos.
>>337170035
she helped the villagers of the fishing hamlet, so she was a helpful great one.
>who was Rom before she became the spider?
i like to think it was Willem's daughter or some shit but that's completely groundless.
>>337170532
you forgot Amy G. Dala
100% great one, although it's unclear if the one you fight in the Nightmare Frontier is any more of a great one than the ones around yarnham. says so in the trophy that it's a great one though.
>>337170989
i loved that part too but I don't know if it holds true. In the Old Hunters guide, it talks about how the raid on the fishing hamlet by the Hunters (Gehrman and Maria among others) is what killed Kos. The Hunters killed her undoubtedly, not the fishing hamlet villagers.
the great ones are described as helpful, Kos and the Fishing Hamlet lived in a kind of symbiosis I think.
Was it just me or was nearing the end of the game going for Platinum the bosses were easier?
Or did I just git gud.
Nearly all the beginning bosses I had to summon.
Then somewhere I just started solo'ing bosses like Maria, Gehrman, chalice Amygdala, headless Bloodletting Beast, Yharman Queen, and that secret ending Boss.
Only boss to give me trouble which I summoned Queen Killer was that Watchdog of the Old Lords.
Either I got gud or the bosses were getting easier.
>>337182609
>summoning
>>337182683
Yeah I know, but the point was I was able to stop summoning after a while.
The only one near end game was that stupid Watchdog I had to summon.
>>337181881
those are good points to stop at for an ARC build. that's what I use on my HGMS char.
>>337182960
Mite b cool. So just dump the rest into vit?
>>337183425
yarp
>>337183425
yeayea, 40 or 50, your call. only need about 16 endurance but you can get more if you want.
Better question about the lore.
Why are all of the women shit except for Adella?
>>337161115
There'd be more references to "dancing cats" if that were true
>>337184758
>
shit man, if i could post multiple images i would disprove you more
Is there any reason why I couldn't join a chalice, unless it's mislabelled in the doc sheet, or something? I've got both hintertomb and lower hintertomb up, and I've beaten the basic of both, but game still won't let me join this one glyph.
>>337185207
Man this whomps.
I'll never see Lady Maria or the Doll in a video game ever again.
>>337162037
kek
It's a very loose adaptation of the Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath. Most of the story beats are the same and the book explains a few character motivations on the part of the Great Ones.
Moon Presence is Nyarlathotep.
>>337164054
that beast is in your inner beast yeah, but your messengers stop it. they're not you. I think you're chosen.
>>337185360
shhhh anon, don't wake up Lady Maria
>>337185207
Not as good as Adella
>>337166529
well its a nightmare so don't assume it's based on normal factors of reality.
>>337185540
MP sent the messengers to you, and though them did he speak HUNTER and branded it on your mind
thus you were reborn as a Dream Hunter in service to MP
>>337185592
>church filth
>good
she no't even best girl of her own faction
>>337159992
>Monsters? Do they look like monsters to you?
What did he mean by this?
>>337170624
It's all the mensis scholars in the mensis nightmare being pulled out at once by the pthumerians so it's a little of both
>>337185885
she wants you to remember your deal anon
What the fuck is a Kosm?
>>337186229
You mean kos
>>337186229
That's what some others call Kos. aka the retards
>>337185883
>church filth
She has the best and most useful blood, everyone elses is shit, SHIT
>>337186336
Fite me
>>337186451
Where do you get these from?
>>337186585
The internet
>>337186451
bitch became useless when you find Addeline who is 10 times the waifu that adella is
>>337186803
They both suck and dead.
All they did was allow me to get some umbilical cords to ascend to a slug.
>>337187000
Neither of those saints give you umbilical cords anon
>>337186803
Adeline is shit to Adella shes not even cute, shes got a blob for a head. She wont stare at you jealously if you talk to other girls either
>>337187000
>mfw becoming a slug would allow me to get two great waifus
bloodborne is really a harem game
>>337185357
The dude who found said glyph the orginal founder might have deleted it and then its lost for everyone.
Bloodborne chalice system is weird all i gotta say
>>337170532
What? I thought it was stated that Rom ascended and become a legitimate Great One?
>>337187264
>don't give umbilical cords
Even more useless.
>>337173557
She feels guilty for what she did there
>>337187332
she is Kin. she drops Kin coldblood, not great one cold blood
Actually all the Great Ones are humanoid. Kos has a human face, Ebritas has human eyes, Amydala has human hands, Rom is stated to have been human along with the Emissary and Living failures, etc
>>337187378
In fact Adella keeps you from getting one if she kills that whore.
But im always faithful to Adella so Ive never taken the whore blood
>>337179458
It does I've watched it several times it gets hit by something thrown that then explodes into flames
>>337187524
*humans, not humanoid
>>337161115
What's your point here, the connection isn't self-explanatory
>>337187563
it touches you, then bursts into fire starting from the point that it touched you.
nothing flies into the screen signaling that something was thrown.
Not exactly lore-related, but what the hell.
What level should I be tackling the Old Hunters? I just grabbed it today.
>>337159992
Why doesn't a 2-D bloodborne adaptation exist /v/?
>>337187750
at least 60 to 70
>>337187750
lvl 4really if you have done mensis up to micolash you are good to go as long as you have a +9 weapon with decent gems. if you really want a level you could ti it 70-90 depending on how you are built
>>337187750
60-70 is the average. Come back to it once you clear Yahar'Gul.
>>337187739
No something explodes over its shoulder that then covers it In flames
>>337187816
Because you haven't made it yet.
Why should anyone else?
>>337160706
>>337160706
Gehrman literally says something like "just go out and kill some beasts. It's just what's good for you." If you keep talking to himso no
>>337188058
>Why should anyone else?
Well this thread is full of lore autists, most of which are probably better at pixel animation than myself.
>>337187851
>>337187887
>>337187890
Sounds good. Thanks anons.
>>337187893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpPg4mTQtnA
what you're seeing is the flame bursting right infront of your eyes from the point that it touches you.
and why the fuck would a beast spontanisly sprout from blood, have no internal organs or skin, then have someone come in and toss a Molotov at it.
the werewolf isn't real.
>>337164054
>>337185540
You're "half-cut" (infused) with paleblood, i assume this is why your inner beast failed to manifest itself.
>AWOOOOOO
What did he mean by this?
>>337182683
Multiplayer is part of what makes Souls/Bloodborne so replayable, absurdly so compared to most aRPGs.
Wish they didn't feel the need to try and tie it into the lore at the expense of convenience.
>>337188094
It's best not to think about these things just go out and kill beasts. It's what hunters do
>>337188285
Grant us eyes. Grant us eyes
>>337188304
i am a firm believer that you have to beat each boss solo before you can summon. that is why i decry summoning for bosses unless you have already beaten them.
i have nothing wrong with the mechanic of summoning, but a part of the visceral experience is conquering something by yourself
>>337188258
Paleblood isn't an actual thing. When Djura says you're half-cut with blood, he's insinuating that you're on your way to being blood-addled, the fate of almost all hunters.
>>337188481
Well alright, anon, but I find escorting new players through games to be fun af.
Less so experienced players, since it's just a rush to the boss with no communication most of the time.
>>337188486
>no rain in Bloodborne outside of the light drizzle in the hamlet
My one disappointment.
>>337188153
Nobody is born good at anything.
You could start practicing, anon, and then you'll be good at pixel art yourself. Or you can just sit back and wait for other people to do all the work for you. You'll probably be in for a long wait...
>>337188540
Palebloods a thing, all the cosmic mutated humans bleed pale blood.
The PC isn't one of those, mind. Which is a shame, bleeding pale blood after consuming three cords would've been a nice touch.
>>337188653
>wanting the rain to wash away all the blood
what type of hunter are you?
You know what was brutal.
When I joined that Queen covenant and sent that dude there.
I met up and he bashed her in with his wheel and she was still living in guts.
>>337188962
Alfred is the nicest guy ever, dude rids Cainhurst of their pests for free and tells you about the church
>>337188764
Kin only bleed a clear liquid, not actually pale in color. the only thing that actually bleeds pale in game isthe doll
it is all very blood related. things bleed red for red blood cells, things bleed the clear liquid which is called Serum with is the hemoglobin or 'pure blood', and paleblood, which is white in color to go along with white blood cells
all very interconnected
>>337188962
that scene with alfred and what's left of queenie is the best part of bloodborne
My personal interpretation is that the protagonist was a foreigner from a distant land suffering an unusual illness. He hears about the famous city of Yharnam and travels far to get there. Arriving in the city he gets a blood transfusion but passes out and wakes up in the middle of the hunt. He experiences the fall of the city in vivid detail, but in the end (Sunrise ending) wakes up in an empty, abandoned city. Yharnam fell a long time ago.
It wasn't a dream though, Lovecraft was into visions and astral projection-type scenarios. The protagonist really was fighting his way through Yharnam and the Nightmare, just in supernatural form.
>>337189290
insides on the outside for all the world to see.
>>337189225
Pale means a lack of color, it doesn't specifically mean the color white. My headcannon is that the doll is just pumped full of cum from all the hunters over time. The ayylmaos are paleblood
>>337189290
>>337189103
>>337188962
>mfw i share a board with chruch scum
>>337189451
don't worry crowsteel, your queen is nice and safe in my back pocket
>>337189363
Felt the same way
>>337189451
I side with no one, yo.
Like I said I joined her, but sent dude there.
I just wanted my Platinum Trophy.
git gud
>>337189443
if the Ayyys are paleblood, then why do great ones bleed red? shouldn't full on great ones bleed a different color then what normal mortals
do?
>>337189451
>mfw heretics think theyre allowed on my website
>>337189705
Probably just to distinguish "true" Great Ones from Ascended Humans.
>>337189451
>mfw share a board with filthy blooded katana wielding faggots
I actually equated paleblood with the churchmen, Pthumerians and bagmen. They all ended up the same as tall, gaunt white-skinned guys, which I assumed was the "correct" result of blood infusion and so on. They were the ones who didn't become beasts.
I think Miyazaki actually said what paleblood was in an interview though so IIRC my idea was wrong.
>>337189363
smart stuff. if you're interested in the hunter's origin though, and want a really radical take on it, check out Redgrave's vid where he theorizes that the Hunter was a cultist from the Fishing Hamlet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUqtL-MS76I
one of the best BB youtubers out there
>It wasn't a dream though, Lovecraft was into visions and astral projection-type scenarios. The protagonist really was fighting his way through Yharnam and the Nightmare, just in supernatural form.
it frustrates me to no end when people don't get this and just think it was some "it was all a dream" bull
>>337189451
>2kat mad that his entire 2kat crew got buttblasted by wheely mad executioners
Would anyone even want to see a Bloodborne 2? What would it possibly be about? What gameplay changes could be made to really justify the game existing?
>>337189828
Most people aren't familiar with Lovecraft's dream-based work.
For good reason since they were goofy as shit.
>>337189828
I don't get how people can draw the "it was all a dream" conclusion when the nightmare and dreams have significant impact on the real world itself.
>>337189808
i still don't know what the fuck paleblood is so you should go find that interview and clarify for all of us, fellow anon
>>337189898
not bloodborne 2 ,but sci fi soul maybe
>>337189928
It's especially funny here because Bloodborne literally is his Dreamlands novel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWHsP9XWXHE
>>337189978
I like sci fi souls idea but this looks gay as fuck
>>337189856
>>337189784
>>337189721
>>337189545
>mfw the executioners are dead and gone and the queen will keep going to sire a new order of vilebloods
how does it feel memewheels that you great hero couldn't kill her and the last executioner an heroed
>mfw the undying queen of blood with reign forever
>>337189993
Bloodborne managed to make it work with its deliberate obfuscation and distractingly good gameplay.
>>337169981
No
A corpse should be left alone
>>337189828
People who think it was "all just a dream" are taking the whole Dream/Nightmare thing literally.
>>337190064
yeah i guess it is a bit too animu
>>337189103
>Alfred is the nicest guy ever
was he gay?
>>337190187
The only man gay for Hunter is Skeptical Man.
He's Tsundere as shit.
>>337189939
Found it.
http://imgur.com/a/d4WiO
He says it refers to either the sky after the Nightmare is let into the world, or to the creature that comes from the moon.
>>337190064
the people who made lords of the fallen are making sci fi souls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIc_m55CFa8
"a hunter is a hunter, even in a dream"
What if the hunters are fishermen trapped in the nightmare after hunting Kos?
>>337190371
>lords of the fallen
But it was so slow and repetitive.
>>337190075
>Executioners are extinct
Says who? You can join there order too if you didn't notice
>>337190484
woops meant to link this :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vULGdh1ecU4
yeah i agree
>>337189898
As much as I love Bloodborne, and would probably jump at the chance to get more of it, it feels "Complete"
And unless it followed a completely different story, I think it would feel tacked on.
>>337190075
Silly vilefag, I am an executioner just like everyone else you replied to
>he says Kos
How's it feel to have such little insight?
>>337190661
dunno about complete, I partially agree. A sequel seems like too much, all I wanted was one more DLC to round out the game and fill in any gaps that it left. just one more expansion the size and quality of ToH and it would've been the best game ever.
>>337190721
is that the same artist who made this?
I'd like a sequel but one that works as a standalone story. Maybe have a few references but set in a completely different location with different enemies and stuff.
Ned Kelly's Fanclub = Wheelmen > Ayy Lmaos > Grr Lmaos > Vilekats > Hunters of Backstabbing Co-op
>>337190075
>vilefags mad that his bigoted pompous harem of nobles was crushed and grinded up under the mighty wheels of justice
bro let it go, there's only one of you left and she isn't going to fuck you no matter how many bloody sperms you bring her
>>337190661
>the powerful blood healing that was famed the world over suddenly stops
>people are wondering why
>expeditions are sent to the now abandoned and beast infected Yharnam
>they come back with tales of beasts infected streets and blood is hard to come by unless you go to the deeper parts of the city where more beasts are
>you are a blood hunter sent in to clear the streets of beasts and find blood to bring back and sell for an obscene amount of money in the outside world
>along the way someone opens up the chalice dungeons seeing a safer way to get into Yharnam
>suddenly Ayyys everywhere because someone opend up the Iz chalice
>>337191092
that's why you ascend anon. she wants a kid that you can't give her.
so you get tentacles. bitches love tentacles
>>337189978
I agree with that 100%. I want to run around a space station and slay disgusting cyborgs with my laser sword to collect their nanomachines.
So what the Sam Diddly Damn Hell IS the Hunter's Dream?
If it's a dream, why the Hell does the Hunter have to kill the beasts? Is there a whole copy of Yharnam inside the dream with a shitton of beasts? Or did wheelchair man just decide "ayy lmao I'm gonna make this guy fight a bunch of monsters for teh lulz XDD? What about the Hunter waking up in real Yharnam? Are there beasts there too? And what if you become a Great One? Are you just a great one in the dream, thus not really being jack shit in the real world? Seriously, what the fuck is up? Is this Super Mario Bros. 2?
>>337191214
That would be really cool, I dont know how most people felt about guns in Bloodborne but some more advanced ones you could use like a bow where you aim and shit would be a cool idea.
>>337191214
Nah, you don't even need to bring Yharnam into it. The game establishes that there's something up with the oceans, so why not make a game involving that?
Colonial outpost on an island chain, dealing with natives. Ancient ruins, undersea caverns, hidden cities beneath the waves, wearing old diving suits and venturing into the dark depths of the ocean to find Great Ones, etc
Shit writes itself.
>>337191587
>I dont know how most people felt about guns in Bloodborne but some more advanced ones you could use like a bow where you aim and shit would be a cool idea.
guns were cool. they had a sword that trans formed into a bow that you could manually aim.
fun as fuck to play with. really wish that from would have sticked with trick weapons instead of the gimped weapons art system that we have in DSIII.
>>337191570
It's not a literal dream. Dreams, Nightmares and the Waking World are different planes of existence in Bloodborne.
>>337191214
I dunno. One of the things that really endeared me to Bloodborne was the "twist". Literally nobody knew that it was going into Elder God territory before it was released. They were very deliberate in not showing anything of it in the promotion of the game.
I doubt a direct sequel could capture that same level of "discovery" as the full scope of what's happening starts to be revealed.
>>337191705
>mfw DeepBorne
fucking fund it
>>337191570
The hunter's dream is a plane/dimension/general space that the Hunter is tied to at the start of the game, through the "contract" with what is known as the Moon Presence.
It's not a dream in the sense of a hallucination when you nap, it's the Lovecraft interpretation of being a tangible place. It's all real.
Yharnam is also real, and there's only one Yharnam (the warped memory of it inside the Hunter's Nightmare is a separate entity). Great Ones exist on multiple planes simultaneously, hence killing them just tends to slay them on that one plane.
>>337191705
Bring back Yharnam as a chalice dungeon.
>>337190936
Don't think so. I'm not sure who the artist of the other pic you posted is, but THAT artist is snatti89
>>337191871
maybe they could show us a glimpse of where the plane of existence the great ones went to
>never again
>>337192764
>tfw otherkin of the cosmos
>>337191934
So basically you were brought to another dimension and either:
1. Go home, lil nigga
2. Become new wheelchair man
3. Become a Lord- I mean Great One
So nothing you do in the game has an effect on your home realm.
>>337161115
>>337167334
>>337167572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjpcKIQyK5I
It's an hour long but it's pretty interesting, and goes about how Odeon and the Old Blood is very allegoric to mercury.
>you use quicksilver (aka mercury) bullets not only to shoot but as a means to use your cosmic arcane spells
>alchemists used to believe mercury had medical properties but it turns you crazy like the population of Yharnam
>blood bullets are literally your character pumping out some of his mercury loaded blood to use for his weapons
>Odeon's rune gives you more bullets
>>337193168
no, the waking world is the real world. as a great one, you can affect what happens on multiple planes of existence, including the waking world. the Yharnam in game is the real Yharnam, but it just happens to overlap with several nightmares because of all the shit that Bergenweryth and Mensis did.
what you do in game does affect the waking world. you kill Mergo, MP releases his hold on you, Yharnam is mostly saved because everyone that did all the crazy shit is dead now, but eventually it all happens again.
you become new wheel man, Yharnam is mostly saved until another hunt is started up setting the cycle again and again.
you become an Ayyy, you get phenomenal cosmic power in a itty bitty living space that will eventually grow big and strong as a squid Ayyy
>>337193168
Everything you did affected the home realm. You slaughtered Mergo and the two dozen big ol' beasties that were terrorizing the place and prevented the Blood Moon beasty apocalypse.
>>337169373
Dream beings who transcend the binding laws of reality. They occupy dimensions of space and time that we as lesser beings can't comprehend without the gaining of immense insight.
This was one of the driving motivations behind both the Church and Bergenwerth - the ascension of the human mind or body.
>>337194338
Well even after all these years, the Church is very protective of their origins and Byrgenwerth.
I don't think any location in Bloodborne is part of the 'waking world' as we know it. The Hunter's Dream, the Nightmares, and even Yharnam proper are all hazily-connected locales ambiguous in their existence as a 'real' place. The game mentions that you came from the outside world but makes no mention of what it's like. For all intents and purposes, you start to exist as soon as you enter Yharnam.
I think it quite literally is all a dream or series of dream-environments, interconnected by eldritch fancy and penetrated by the cosmic wills of the Great Ones.
>>337195278
That's dumb.
>>337195796
Well, thanks for reading anyway.
>>337195983
I don't think it's dumb. If you consider the rules of Lovecraft's Dreamland location it's entirely fitting in with how Yharnam is presented.
>>337196089
That's what I had in mind.
>>337190257
Are those direct quotes? They're fucking articulate for a native Jap.
>>337190553
>Alien/dirty 90s sci-fi aRPG
I'm interested but it's still too slow.
They're focusing too much on graphics (see: dodging actually always placing you under the blows, not through) and not enough on responsive action gameplay.
Sort of a typical western dev mistake, frankly. When it comes to gameplay, "realistic" reactions should play second fiddle.
>>337191813
I really love how trick weapons effectively doubled the number of weapons in the game.
Did the MP always want the hunters that came through the dream to kill Mergo? Why have so many hunters passed through the dream only to be released before killing Mergo? Are you just "the chosen one"?
How would the hunt begin again after the player kills all that he kills? Is this just a never ending cycle like DaS?
>>337180479
>innocent
shut up Djura
When are they going to get rid of the stamina bar and just place solid ends to combos instead of letting you wail on and then walk about for a bit like a toad waiting for it to recharge?
At this point I'm certain it's only there because it's been there since King's Field, where it was equally dumb since you couldn't even combo.
>>337198212
>Is this just a never ending cycle like DaS?
Whatever cycles occur in Bloodborne are the result of poor foresight, nothing cosmically dictated or karmic about it.
The hunt was on regularly because Ludwig insisted on arming the general populace. This led to wide overuse of blood, which led to more crazed townspeople/beasties, which led to more dictated hunts, which led to even bigger beasts as combating bigger beasties required more blood, and so on.
Before Ludwig, the Hunt was a very rare occurrence.
MP used hunters for whatever end. Considering he's modeled after the Deceiver from Lovecraft, he probably had more than one plot going.
But considering that his reign in Yharnam has arguably only lasted about a lifetime, you could say he's been using Hunters to bait Byrgenwerth/Church into trying to summon/contact Mergo, thus creating path to Mergo and making the infant Great One vulnerable.
The Hunt will not begin for a very long time after you slaughter Mergo and Moon Presence, since nearly everyone involved with blood ministration is fucking dead. Yharnam has earned a rest.
>>337190553
Looks great except for
>slow
>bland enemy designs
>fucking cinematic executions
And what >>337198062 said.
>>337159992
>14 insight at the first boss
Or even worse
>not exploring properly and fighting cleric beast first
What a shit artist
>>337191813
>really wish that from would have sticked with trick weapons instead of the gimped weapons art system that we have in DSIII
Trick weapons would not have worked at all in Dark Souls.
>>337199121
Any reason why? Trick weapons aren't all that different to Powerstancing/Weapon Arts.
>>337191092
2. Queen Annalise and the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst.
If we extend the classification to the Cainhurst bloodline we also have Arianna and Lady Maria.
If we trace the Cainhurst bloodline back to ancient Pthumeru, we have many more.
>>337199637
It's generally accepted that the vile, forbidden blood that was stolen away at Byrgenwerth and used to found Cainhurst was ancient Pthumerian blood, right?
>>337199165
Speed, movesets, combos.
Trick weapons were purposefully crafted to suit the aggressive, fast paced, nature of Bloodborne. Fitting in perfectly with the rally system and sidestep approach.
Dark Souls, even Dark Souls III, is considerably slower than Bloodborne.
Introducing weapons designed to reward aggressive play in a game focused on defensive play would not fit well at all. Obviously, that isn't to say Dark Souls doesn't have weapons that reward aggressive users, but they aren't nearly on the level of trick weapons.
This isn't even touching the lore behind trick weapons.
Not lore related but...
What are everyone's favourite weapons? They're not the most practical but I love the kirk hammer and boom hammer myself. I've almost gone through the entire game with the kirkhammer and while it has some significant problems it's the most satisfying weapon to use, I feel.
The boom hammer is just fucking cool as shit.
>>337200084
Moonlight Greatsword and Pizza Cutters are my favourites to use, Pizza Cutter's lazy untransformed form aside.
Boom Hammer is pretty great, pretty much a supercharged Tonitrus. Elemental Damage is a must to give the fucks who default to Cainhurst/Hallowed armour in PvP a rude awakening, too.
EVOLUTION WITHOUT COURAGE WILL BE THE RUIN OF OUR RACE
>>337200412
The sky and the cosmos are one.
Kos or Kosm?
>>337199727
That's one interpretation, and it's likely wrong.
The most obvious implication that Vilebloods have Pthumerian heritage is the fact that Queen Yharnam's song is titled "Of the Pthumerian Line", which abruptly changes into "The Vileblood Queen" (Queen Annalise's song) part way through.
Then we have the fact that we only know of two royal figures, Queen Annalise and Queen Yharnam.
We also have the adornment of Pthumerian armour, statues, and weapons around Cainhurst. Suggesting these things have been in the noble tradition a long time.
Then we have the fact that ghosts only appear in two places; Cainhurst, and the Chalice Dungeons (notably Pthumerian Dungeons).
Furthermore, we have the parallels between Queen Yharnam's blood mastery, and the blood mastery displayed by Lady Maria.
Take note that Lady Maria is not actually a Vileblood, despite being of Cainhurst nobility. Yet she still posses the power of blood mastery that Queen Yharnam also possesses. This would imply that rather than consuming the Forbidden Blood (which you are implying gives Vilebloods their Pthumerian similarities) she simply has Pthumerian blood mastery through her own bloodline.
And lastly, Arianna, a Cainhurst noble, has blood explicitly stated as being similar to the Forbidden Blood, this would further contradict your statement and imply that Cainhurst shares Pthumerian blood.
Unless you want to imply imbibing blood somehow makes your blood take the properties of that which you imbibed; which we have no proof nor reason to suspect.
tl;dr:
Overwhelming proof suggests Cainhurst are Pthumerian descendants.
>>337200628
Additional note; both Arianna and Queen Yharnam were impregnated by the Formless Oedon.
Perhaps implying a fondness for their specific bloodline.
>>337200628
Right, right, so the Vile Blood is just something different.
Also explains why there's Bloodsuckers in the Chalice Dungeons. Not so much why they're in Hunter's Nightmare.
>>337200524
The cosmos, of course!
>>337200524
Depends if we're talking about a dead god or one brain-fried dead idiot trying to remember what he learned a long time ago.
>>337201061
Forbidden Blood might well be Oedon's blood.
It would play well into the mercury poisoning symbolism. See, Oedon's rune has a marking similar to the symbol for mercury.
Then we have the statement that "the oozing blood is the essence of the Formless Oedon". Now essence can be defined as either the intrinsic nature of something, or the extract of something.
If the Formless Oedon were to exist only in voice, it would make sense that his blood extract would be highly forbidden. Toxic. Vile, even.
Perhaps, it shouldn't exist at all.
>>337200936
>>337200628
The servant's appearance in Castle Cainhurst closely resembles that of Pthumerian Watchers from chalices. Certain statues appear in Pthumerian settlements and also on the grounds of Castle Cainhurst. Some Watchers wield kriss daggers. Logarius also wields a Kriss dagger.
Ready for next level lore? Logarius is the King of Cainhurst.
>>337201929
>wears robes that are similar to pthumerian garb worn by descendant and elder
>wields a scythe made of meteorite-ish metal similar to Pthumerian Elder's staff.
>affixed a mask and symbol of purity to Annalise rather than kill her
>understands how to use the crown of illusions
>"Acts of goodness are not always wise, and acts of evil are not always foolish, but regardless, we shall always strive to be good".
>>337201929
...But Logarius is the head of the Executioners or something ain't he? He's at least part of that group right? God, the Executioners even name their signature weapon after him. They're way too fanatical to accept a turncoat either, I feel.
>>337202801
>affixed a mask and symbol of purity to Annalise rather than kill her
I'm fairly sure they tried to kill her a fair few times. She hints at it if you attack her. Even getting ground into a bloody pulp only puts her out of it for a bit.
>>337202806
At the same time, he looks like a Pthumerian "undead", so who knows he might have been dug up by Byrgenwerth on their chalice dungeon exploration
>>337202806
Yes he is.
>They're way too fanatical to accept a turncoat either, I feel.
Three things: He's the founder, so he can make the rules. Secondly, being Cainhurst doesn't make you Vileblood.
Finally: Who else would feel most motivated to put an end to the crimes of the Vilebloods? Perhaps the King was better poised to object to this than most. >>337202801
>"Acts of goodness are not always wise, and acts of evil are not always foolish, but regardless, we shall always strive to be good".
I feel this is key. The vilebloods are the ones being evil, but their goal of helping create the Child of Blood isn't foolish. Logarius is being "good" and sparing Annalise, but it's not the wisest choice.
>>337203010
>I'm fairly sure they tried to kill her a fair few times
They never confirm it at all, and Alfred's whole querst is about going and doing what Logarius failed to do. All she does when you hurt her is mention how she's basically unkillable.
>"Now Master can be canonized as a true martyr!"
This implies that Logarius wasn't actually a Martyr because he failed at stopping the Queen. Alfred finally finished the job and made Logarius' martyrdom actually relevant/consequential.
>>337202801
Isn't it because she's basically immortal and trying to kill her is a ridiculous task? Sealing her away seemed to be a better method than trying to murder someone with infinite lives who can keep respawning, plus it stops any of her followers from getting to her either.
Hell, when you do "kill" her you get queenly flesh, which implies she's still alive even when she's a slab of meat. Just chuck it on the altar/grill and hey presto you have a barbecue party with the not-a-vampire queen.
>>337189774
Paleblood just means something drained from blood.
Paleblood moon is light pink. Imagine your body skinned and drained of blood. It would be pink.
Seek paleblood essentially means find something that isn't old blood, because that will make you transcend. All the beasts has old blood but not enough INSIGHT, while the ayys had insight but not enough old blood. Once you combine both, you get a great one baby, aka (You)
>>337203354
>Sealing her away seemed to be a better method than trying to murder someone with infinite lives who can keep respawning
So he can just work magical Cainhurst illusion crowns because he's a cool guy?
He made special efforts to wrap her mask in a garter rather than turn her to pulp and burn the castle to the ground? It takes the fucking Altar of Despair to fix her after Alfred mashes her into ground meat. Logarius could have done the same, but obviously didn't.
>attack annalise
>nothing
>keep swinging
>still nothing
>flamesprayer
>she falls out the chair, still moving
>leave
>return, she's a pile of fleshy pink pulp
Fucking Cainhurst
>>337189451
For the honor of caninhurst my fellow vileblood
>mfw your waifu is a lump of meat and will never accept your wedding ring
I never tested it but how effective is the Vileblood covenant rune? It says it recovers HP when it's low but... man, HP recovery in this game is pretty low from the gems I've been using. It's not worth bothering. But the blood of whats-her-name (the nun) is pretty good, so it's not like HP recovery is useless or anything.
>>337171328
They experimented on the town after the town was infected, because it was infected.
>>337204763
I'd slaughter that pussy.
>>337189898
Whenever From makes a sequel to something it's shit.
Best to just keep making Souls Like spinoffs
>>337206630
Well the Armored Core games have had their ups and downs, but King's Field just got better and better.
More a case of none of the Dark Souls games were meant to last multiple installments.
>>337206761
>Implying FROM is anything other than Dark Souls
Get with the times nerdo.
>>337182239
Amygdala may be of such nature as to have a multitude of bodies
>>337207398
>>337182239
Amygdala is referenced as "the god head" by Patches or an item description if I recall correctly. They might actually be the beings who's dreams make up all realities or something like that.
>>337170532
Ebrietas bleeds paleblood, she's an ascended Great One.
>>337187332
Rom survived her own death on another plane, so it's safe to say she's a Great One. Being ascended doesn't seem to make you a "lesser" Great One.
>>337207398
Or they might just be fodder as Great Ones go.
>>337206630
>Whenever From makes a sequel to something it's shit.
Except it's not, underageb&
