>RPG game
>Choices don't matter
>RPG where you can be a bad guy
>Rpg where you think you're playing as the good guy
>But you're the bad guy all along
>>337118652
>Roleplaying game game
>>337118893
>>337118984
Give me some
>>337119027
loss
>>337119117
Shadow of the Colossus
>>337118652
Switchchoice to the fake
Get fucked mathfags and monteycucks
>tfw when you realise that the choices you make in RPGs never matter, because video games aren't real
>tfw when you realise that the choices you made IRL have been terrible but you can't just load a previous save
>>337119117
Mass Effect
>>337118652
Always switch when the first fake is revealed
>>337118652
>>337119117
Agar.io
>>337119117
Undertale
>>337119394
This never made sense to me but apparently this is the correct choice because you have a %50 not a %33 chance when you switch. But making the choice to stay also leaves you with a %50 chance. It doesn't actually improve your chances does it?
>>337119394
You're completely wrong, simply because the reveal wasn't mentioned before you chose a lever.
This means that the original 2/3rds gambit is removed, and what is far more likely is that the game is rigged. Because these days everyone knows about the monty hall problem, the choice to reveal a lever is far more likely to be a trick.
If the revealed lever is actually shown to be fake, then you should stick with your current choice. If you are simply told which lever is fake, you should switch to the "fake" lever. Under no circumstances should you switch to the 3rd mystery lever.
Are there any where they do?
>>337120076
Fallout 2 is probably the best example.
>>337118652
I take votes from the six people on what to do.
>>337119710
Take it from the top.
There are 2 possible scenarios after the reveal. Either you picked the right one, or you picked the wrong one. You have a 33% chance to be on the right one, and a 66% chance to be on one of the 2 wrong ones. Because one of the wrong choices is revealed, then there's no added danger from switching, and you get better odds, because you're twice as likely to be wrong as you are to be right with your initial pick.
>>337119117
Fable
>>337119170
Thanks friend.
>>337119117
Xenoblade Chronicles.Well, you're the good guy. But you're the bad guy all until the final 3 or 4 boss battles. You just didn't know you were the bad guy.
>>337119394
Technically speaking it's irrelevant. You pick door A, C is removed. Now you have to chose again. If you pick A you still have a 50% chance of being right as if you switched over to door B.
People ignore the fact that the probability of door A being right chanced as well and think it's the original 33.3%. Not switching is a choice as well. A choice that has the same probability of being right as the choice to switch.
switching is correct
imagine there are a thousand levers, only one being real
you choose one, meaning you have a 1/1000 chance to be correct
then 998 other levers are revealed to be fake
it's a lot more likely that you chose a fake lever originally, meaning the remaining lever is a lot more likely to be the real one
if you don't change, your chances are still 1/1000
the chance that the lever that was not revealed is correct is 999/1000
first I thought that changing didn't matter like a lot of you do now, but reading through it made it clear that it does
>>337119117
Hello Kitty Island Adventures™
>>337119802
What. You are so wrong. You made everyone in this thread dumber just for saying that.
>RPG Game
>There is no choices
>>337118652
why choose at all?
why 3 levers if its just a simple switch back and forth?
if one is fake, is the other made so the it goes to the other track then the other real lever?
>>337127136
If any one of the lever that you didn't pick will always be removed once you decide, you actually never had a thousand levers to chose from. You had 999 all along.
Same as here. No matter which you pick, you will always end up with a choice between 1 correct and 1 wrong. You never had a real 3 choice problem to begin with.
Also that completely ignores the fact that staying with your choice is still a new decision again, based on the new odds. So instead of the initial supposedly 33%, you're making a new decision with the 50% odds.
I demand someone post the /lit/ edits.
>>337119429
The brain goes 'fuck this' and ignores what happens.
>>337119249
More naive than bad, probably. Although innocence can be the worst evil imaginable.
>>337118652
Any choice you make except not touching anything will bring you to court for manslaughter.
>>337119429
Left fork every time. It kills the author of the example.
>>337127608
You're braindead, dude. 998 levers are removed, leaving only 2, the one you chose, and a single mystery lever.
Would you switch?
>>337118652
>>337119286
You don't even
Have good credit
You can write
But your can't edit
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>>337127623
I second this. This is now a Trolley problem thread.
>>337128337
Hard one but I think most would agree the sick loop is worth it.
>>337127708
what about this case? would it be considered self-defense?
>>337127402
All star is a good song
>>337127623
Trolley thread pl0x
>>337129239
Youre a shitty person, so I wouldnt pull it
>VN
>If you drink orange juice instead of apple juice your girlfriend gets raped
>>337128305
Not the same guy but NOT choosing to switch is the same as choosing to stay, i.e. Choosing a lever with 50/50 odds, which happens to be the one you chose when it was 1/3
DEJA VU
>>337130193
So you're telling me that you think it's more likely than not that out of a thousand levers, you'll pick the correct one?
I'm guessing you buy lottery tickets, huh?
The original trolley problem is a question of ethics. Is it more ethical to save more people at the cost of one. And if it is so, does you controlling the lever make you responsible for the death of the one?
Its a fun question. Especially if you throw a family member as the person on track b. Are you more inclined to save your family member vs 5 people or do you uphold the original fact of multiple human lives out weighing one?
>>337118652
The real question is, what is your part in the following of events which lead to this particular situation.
Since the person with the lever had nothing to do wity the people being tied down or the train being sent in this way, the person has no particular responsibility to the people which are going to die or be saved.
On a moral basis, from the perspective of the person at the levers,this is a false choice.
If he chooses to have a person dies instead of 4 from a moral perspective he cannot be responsible for a false choice.
>>337130363
This guy did intro stats at uni didn't you
>>337130786
No, I just have a functioning brain.
>>337130410
No I'm selfish
>>337130849
Lel
>>337130849
You have a choice between 2 lever. Which one do you pick and why?
>>337131067
That one.
>>337131067
I really don't get why you're misunderstanding the problem this hard. I'm guessing you just made it to the "coins don't have memory" part of your pre-school syllabus and it blew your mind.
This isn't about 2 levers. It's about making a random choice from 1000, then having 998 wrong levers removed, and being asked if which one you'd pick now. The levers aren't randomised after the 998 other levers are removed. Either you're a dumb cunt who thinks he got a 1/1000 guess right, or you go for the 99.9% probability of the other lever being correct.
>kill a wolf
>it drops gold coins
>>337131545
50% right?
>>337131545
This is just a rewording of Monty Hall. This makes you a homosexual.
>>337131545
It's 50% right? I'm not retarded?
Pulling a gold coin out first means that it can't be Box 2, so it's either Box 1 (100% chance of a gold coin) or Box 3 (0% of a gold coin).
>>337131545
50%.
Box 2 is completely irrelevant and doesn't exist for all we care. So you're left with box 1 and 3. Either it's one or the other.
>>337131721
no.
Box 2 is irrelevant so we wont count it.
Now we know we've drawn a gold coin. Since there are three gold coins in the boxes, that means there's a 66% chance we drew from box 1 and a 33% chance we drew from box 3.
Why are you all so WRONG
>>337131545
2/3, and people are dumb.
Drawing each coin from Box #1 is a separate possibility, meaning there's a better chance the first gold coin was taken from that box.
>>337131878
But that's wrong. You're looking at the coins, but you actually picked a box and not the coins.
You either picked 1 or 3.
You pulled out a gold coin.
Case1: Box 1 - the other coin is 100% gold.
Case2: Box 3 - the other coin is 100% silver.
So you're left with the probability of (1+0)/2. So 50%.
If you look at the coins the way you do, it means that all the coins are mixed in 1 bag and not that they are in different boxes already separate in groups.
>>337126517
>Not switching is a choice as well. A choice that has the same probability of being right as the choice to switch.
No, that's the crux. Not switching has the same probability of being right as you picking the right lever on your first try, because that's essentially what it is.
>>337131939
Wrong.
it says you pick a box at random, that means picking the box happens before picking the coin. Then you pick the coin, which always happens to be gold. This means there is a 33% chance of getting any box. But since picking 2 causes a paradox that ends your timeline, we don't have to count it, so if you;'e managed to draw a coin without ending existence, there is a 50% chance you've gotten box 1.
>>337131925
3 didn't say anything because he could see that 2's hat and 1's hat weren't both black. 1 takes 3's silence as there being either 2 white hats or 1 white hat and 1 black hat, and assumes he has a white hat because 3 would have called his hat as white if they were both black
>>337132314
Why would he take his silence as meaning that?
There's no incentive for any of these men to talk in any case.
>>337131545
I love statistic bait which rely on people not understanding given premises.
>>337131939
You're dumb.
The problem can easily be reworded to show why it's 50%.
Since you pulled out a gold coin, box 2 is irrelevant to the problem.
So the problem would be like
>If you randomly picked between a box that has 2 gold coins and a box that has a gold and a silver coin, what's the chance of picking the box 2 two gold coins.
>>337132427
>There's no incentive for any of these men to talk in any case.
The puzzle is the incentive.
>>337132427
I'd assumed that them being referred to as "wise men" meant that this was some sort of test or puzzle for them
>>337131925
He knew he had a white hat because the other two men did not speak up.
Man 3 did not say anything, which means that there was either two white hats, or a white and a black hat in front of him. Man 3 could only have known what hat he had if 1 and 2 were wearing black hats.
Then, Man 2 could see the white hat on Man 1's head. If he had seen a black hat, he would have been able to deduce from that and from Man 3's silence that he was wearing a white hat. However, since Man 2 didn't say anything, that means Man 1 is wearing a white hat, because that is the only situation Man 2 doesn't know what color hat he has, because they could both be wearing white hats.
Man 1, deducing this, comes to the conclusion he is wearing a white hat.
>>337132601
Correct.
>>337132497
>>337132156
>>337132197
>>337131769
>>337131721
>>337131679
http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/june72013/index.htmlIt's 2/3
>>337127623
gotchu desu senpai
>>337128172
And saves Hitler. Everybody wins!
>>337132601
Why do the other mans need to speak what hat he have?
The question only says about man 1
>>337132895
>guy heading down the track to hit a trolley
Lost it completely
>>337132738
I call bullshit and badly worded problem.
>>337132895
The one in the center with the levers in the rails is actually pretty scary.
>The ones pulling the levers need to cooperate to make one of them die otherwise everybody get fucked
>>337131545
2/3.
The question is basically asking what is the likelyhood that we've picked box #1, assuming that the first coin we drew was gold. Since we're only looking at cases where a gold coin is picked first, box #3 will only be factored in half of the time it's picked, since roughly 50% of the time you pick box #3, you reach in and grab the silver coin first.
Whereas with box #1, it's ALWAYS factored in, because you'll always pick one of the two gold coins first.
>>337131925
He was talking about the hat he owns, not the hat he was wearing
>>337133175
The puzzle involves a scenario where the wise men are trying to determine what hat they have.
Therefore, their silence means they don't know what hat they have.
>>337131925
But what if 3 saw man 1 with a black hat, and man 2 with a white hat? He wouldn't be able to draw any conclusions from that, since he could either have a black or white hat, and man 1 would be wrong in saying his hat is white.
>>337131925
He guessed, it doesn't say he was right.
>>337134148
Ah, nevermind, >>337132601 explains it.
>>337133380
I call Johns.
>>337134148
Because in that situation, man 2 would've known from man 3's silence and seeing a black hat in front of him that he had a white hat on, and would've said so.
>>337119117
Dark Messiah
Overlord
>>337134107
So man 1 and 2 would never know what hat they have before man 3 saying he has got a black hat.
>>337133175
/v/ really is full of literally retarde people.
>RPG
>Gameplay is shit
>>337118652
>two of the levers are fake
Just fucking pull all of them then.If it,so fake it won't explode the train or do any shit.
>>337119318
Renegade Shwp dindu nuffin. He did whatever it took to save the galaxy.
>>337118652
>do you switch your choice?
Yes, because this is a discount Monty Hall Problem.
>>337134357
The puzzle never said anything the other man had to guess what hat they got and in fact the only one who could guess is the man 3 when he saw the other 2 with white hats.
>>337134691
>The puzzle never said anything the other man had to guess
The puzzle was written under the assumption that literally retarded people won't try solving it.
The fact that it says "wise men" already implies it's a logical exercise or something similar for them.
>>337134691
I mean black hat
How has no one done a double slit experiment edit of the trolley problem?
>>337134998
Time for you to make it brother.
>>337134337
There is absolutely no situation where man 3 definitively knows he has a black hat. He can only know he has a white hat, or be unsure.
>>337135232
Yeah my bad I meant to say white hat.
[EUROBEAT INTENSIFIES]
>>337130410
I'd save my family everytime. Sorry. Even if it was 100 to 1
>>337135552
It was literally the first reply in the thread. How did you not see at least that post?
>>337119117
Planet Escape: Tournament
Let’s play a game of Russian Roulette. You are tied to a chair. Here’s a gun, six chambers, all empty. Now watch me as I put two bullets in the gun into adjacent chambers. I close the cylinder and spin it. I put the gun to your head and pull the trigger. Click. You’re still alive. Lucky you! Now, before we discuss your résumé, I’m going to pull the trigger one more time. Which would you prefer, that I spin the cylinder first or that I just pull the trigger?
Which is it, /v/?
>>337135969
There's a 1/5 chance either way
>>337135969
spin it
can't explain it well but I think it's more likely you survive since it can end up on the same empty chamber just fired
>>337131721
Ah, but you're two times as likely to draw a gold coin from box A.Gold is about twice as heavy as silver, so you should be able to figure the coin materials out by feel, without looking at them.
>>337136363
I don't know what you're trying to say.
>>337136470
Since there are 2 loaded chamber, spinning has a 4 in 6 survival rate. That's 66.7% chance to survive.
The bullets are loaded next to each other.
That means you have 4 empty spots next to each other. If the first click was from one of the 3 first empty chamber, you live. If i was the last one, you die. You have a 3 in 4 chance of surviving the next one. That means 75%.
Respinning gives you a 66.7% chance of surviving the next shot. Not respinning gives you a 75% chance.
>>337127402
How fast is this trolley going? All-Star is the better choice for a slower trolley, preferably at something between a walking and jogging speed. Much faster and you'd probably be best off risking the random anime track.
>>337129682
the question here is
can we get two trams, for multi-tram multi-track drifting
>>337131925
he wanted the game to end and the other two wouldn't speak up so he had to guess
>>337135969
spin that shit so I can suffer with my waifu in hell
