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TF2: Promode
Overwatch: Slowmode
TF2 is dead though
>>337036367
/thread
>TF2
is this 2008
>Valve shills are THIS desperate about Overwatch killing off what little relevance TF2 has left
baka desu senpai
>TF2
I could be playing Quake Live: The Game.
>>337036367
>>337036863
not an argument
>>337035139
They are both casual trash, delusional child.
aww man I should make a cpm/reflex webm
>>337036961
I don't think anyone here ever wanted to discuss anything, starting with OP.
>>337036367
>Le tf2isdead meme
anyone want to join my iron hl team?
>>337036995
Name a game that isn't.
>>337037225
>join tf2 server
>kicked for not being friendly
>join tf2 server
>lenny and shrek memes
>join tf2 server
>brbr's with 700 ping everywhere
>join tf2 server
>kicked for trying to complete the objecytive
pick your poison, the game has more players than its ever had, but its dead.
>>337037103
/thread
fuck this shit
Please keep playing tf2, we can't lose hat revenuye
-t. Valve
What do you even know about going fast
>>337036367
At any given time there is about 60,000 people playing which can go up to 90,000. You can find a match on any day at any time
I'd say a game is dead when you find it hard to find matches
>>337035139
Being arbitrarily more complex does not making something better.
>>337037443
Counter-Strike
Quake Live
>>337037480
>more people means the game is dead
That just makes the game cancerous, not dead.
>>337037691
>arbitrary
But it's not, you can do more with rocket jumping in tf2 and travel far further and faster per given distance because of it.
I wish I had friends so I could have actual fun with team based games.
autistically jumping around maps isn't much fun
>>337037691
no, but having more movement options do.
>>337037691
>limited mobility options is better game design
get fucked modern game design
>>337035139
rockets in overwatch do actual damage
>>337037480
>kicked for trying to complete the objective
THIS SHIT IRKS ME
>>337037480
it actually doesn't
2012 has the most TF2 players at a peak recorded
>>337037721
>Counter-Strike
>Queke """""""""""""""""LIVE""""""""""""""""""
>>337038002
if you get direct hits, the splash damage they do is pretty pitiful unless it's within inches of the target. it's more akin to the direct hit which does a shit ton of damage than the stock.
>>337038071
They both take about 1000% more skill than either TF2 or OW.
>>337038002
Which means you can rocket jump less and makes her boring. Unless you mean against others, which is just a retarded opinion. Soldier has tons of damage, difference being that fights aren't determined in 5 seconds in TF2 and you actually have to aim.
>making rocket jumping simpler is a bad thing
also tf2 has been shit since 2011
>>337038279
But Scout IS tf2's quake insert. How are you going to say Quake takes more skill when it's a 1/6th of the game?
>le high execution rocket jumping meme
you people have serious autism if you think that's impressive.
>>337038279
How about no, anon.
Just because a game has different type of skill requirement altogether doesn't mean that game Y is more hardcore than game X.
You want a comparison?
Starcraft 2 with Mobas.
Tell me which is more HARDCOOORE XDD i dare you.
Welcome to /v/alvedrones.
Enjoy your stay.
>>337035139
Input shouldn't be complex for the sake of being complex.
>>337038345
it is when you completely nerf what can be done with rocket jumping, the point of rocket jumping is to go sanic fast. the overwatch "rocket jump" in that gif was painfully slow compared to what can be done with solly.
>>337037721
>counter-strike
RNG casual garbage
>Quake Live
You understand TF2 is essentially QuakeWorld, right?
As somebody who doesn't play TF2, but have kind of followed it since its release, why do people keep saying that it died around 2010 to 2011?
What happened that around those years?
>>337038495
This. I don't want to have to jump through QPUs just to get to a star I can wall junp towards.
is rocket jumping considered pro gameplay now or something?
Any idiot can rocket jump and any idiot that takes 5 minutes to practice can pogo
>>337038536
The soldier isn't even suppose to be that mobile in the first place, gunboats were a huge mistake.
>>337038302
sure bro
look at tf2's solider
now look at any quake game / reflex/ unreal
notiec anything?
>>337038592
it went free to play
>>337038442
Is that a joke? Any RTS is a million times more complex than dotashit.
>>337038592
People think cosmetics killed the game. The art style of the game changed and that somehow makes the game worse.
I know, it's autistic as fuck.
>>337038495
anything can be made to look complex when you break it down like in op's image , what he did just boils down to shoot rocket at your feet at an angle to make yourself fly further.
>>337035139
Hey OP, how about you play TF2, and let people play Overwatch, yeah?
>>337038681
tf2 players are mad they are no longer the casual game of choice and are pretending basic arena shoot er movement constitutes skill
Lets see op do that during a real game while being useful
>>337038835
>playing a game when you master each character in 10 minutes
>>337038592
mannconomy brought in casual shitters and valve spends more money making cosmetics than they do balancing the game and making new content
>>337037581
>only f2p vidya I bought because I thought it's gonna be big and wanted to get ahead
>hirez kills the game
>>337038495
It's actually really simple but the game physics gives you a lot of liberty to play with
OW is the opposite in giving you many more abilities but restricting your uses to very simple things
Look at widowmaker, they could have made her interesting by having a real grappling hook that you can land anywhere on the map and use to sling around and it would take actually skill to reach places, instead you get a lousy "Press shift to get up here" button with a 15s CD
>>337038681
soldiers move like that with shotguns too, they're just limited to about 3 maybe 4 jumps and need to know to land without taking fall damage and where the nearest health pack is gonna be. pyro wasn't intended to have an airblast at first, but they added it and it made the game more interesting just like the gunboats.
>>337038912
>4 map packs in the last 9 months with missions
>comp mm actively being worked on
how about you actually play the game
>>337038592
tf2 went free 2 play in 2011. Needless to say ctf (my favorite game mode) became 24/7 team death match. The huge influx of shitty weapons also broke game balance. (an example is gunboats which allows soldier to be extremely mobile at the cost of very little hp) or charge n targe (completely changes role of demo to a stupid melee class and makes pyro useless against him because of the fire resistence) there are more examples but tf2 is just a garbage. It had its time but we should all just let it die now.
>>337035139
then whats TFC you casual TF2 faggot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_qqFQF2p4M
you tf2 faggots are as bad as dota2 faggots with your MUH MOBA SO HARD
So I think we all can agree that TF2 is old hat by now, but if valve made TF3, what should they change, remove and add to make it better that couldn't just be patched into TF2?
>>337038681
compare that to overwatch
rocket jumping is a button with a cooldown
>>337038989
was meant for
>>337038687
>>337039079
You understand the Demoman can pretty much conc now, right?
>>337035139
>implying most soldiers dont just use a macro.
not defending overwatch or anything just sayin.
>>337039079You're doing the same exact thing you parody
>>337039339
This. Air pogos are pretty much the same thing, only difference you can manually detonate your stickies instead of timing conc grenades.
>>337039058
>which allows soldier to be extremely mobile at the cost of very little hp
And he loses his shotgun.
> a stupid melee class and makes pyro useless against him
Any competent pyro can deal with a demoknight by airblasting properly
You're just mad because you're bad.
>>337035139
>>337039172
But you can jump with Pharah's rockets as well.
>>337039339
yeah because blowing up a sticky at will and timing a conc are the same.
>>337035139
>When you were born just right to enjoy TEEK but also see it die in your arms
I fucking miss TEEK and listening cool music with those weebs.
>>337039637
It's not even comparable. All you can do is go up, because your velocity in Overwatch is hard capped and you lose momentum back down to walk speed very quickly.
You can't do anything with it.
>>337039523
okay kiddie go play your shit game, because me and all the old tf2 players left it in the dumpster were it belongs
>>337039654
>I don't even play TF2 but I'll comment on it: The post
Just ctrl, shift + w please.
>>337039654
You're blowing up something in the air and you're flying via air explosion they're practically the same thing. Only difference is how it's executed, you're acting like learning the timing down for grenades is so difficult when it's just muscle memory.
>>337039847
>absolutely no retort after getting shit pushed in by >>337039523
hahahahahahahaha
>>337039637
but you can't move nearly as fast and are extremely limited by the cool downs
>>337039058
>an example is gunboats which allows soldier to be extremely mobile at the cost of very little hp
at the cost of his shotgun which most decent soldiers use effectively as a follow up to their rockets
>completely changes role of demo to a stupid melee class and makes pyro useless against him because of the fire resistence
they can still carry a grenade launcher and valve removed the fire resistance from it.
lots of people who clearly dont play tf2 are always shitting up tf2 threads
>tfw when EVERYONE expected this game to be free2play and not fullprice
Yeah, fuck that
>>337039742
>he didn't play on the teek during its height around 2010/2011
I'm sorry anon
>>337039941
>>337039904
>>337039515
>there are faggots posting right now that actually believe TF2 takes more skill than TFC
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE
>>337040256
Oh wow another TFC kiddy thinking his game is hard. Fuck off grenade spammer, QWTF was where it was at.
>>337040241
Nobody will resurrect it no? there is nothing we can do to bring it back? i really dont want to play in BR and Argentinian servers filled with shitty mic spam and shitty banter.
>>337040127
thank god for that
less kiddies and russians\brazilians to care about
>>337040256
see
>>337040375
Also, TFC dead you autistic faggot.
Overwatch is more fun and its main fan base doesn't consist of autistic bronies.
>>337040440
It has been resurrected, there is the teekquel. Look that up on steam groups and just join when there's an announcement I guess. The server is usually active on fridays.
>>337035139
Back during Quake 1 days, where TF originates, those that couldn't handle the other popular modes of DM, TDM, and CTF, went to casual TF because it was the easiest mode to "do good" but not have any real skill.
Keep in mind, that TF2 is a FAR more casualized game than compared to the original TF Quake mod.
Have a nice day, friend.
>>337040783
>fun
>easy
pick one
>>337040806
Oh shit anon thanks
>>337038495
It's not complex in itself. You can choose to learn "complexities" in order to get a leg up on your opponents, though.
>>337040863
You're welcome friend.
>>337040816
>Keep in mind, that TF2 is a FAR more casualized game than compared to the original TF Quake mod.
You understand the only difference between QWTF and TF2 is you can bunny hop? TF2 is mechanically much more deeper per class.
>>337040783
Overwatch fan base consists of mentally challenged waifufags.
>>337040783
Overwatch is a braindead game. It's so simple that even a 5 year old could pick it up. Got bored of it after playing for a few hours.
>>337037581
shazbot ;-;
i quit tf2 after a year of release because crits. which retard at valve thought random crits were a good thing
>>337041075
I don't care for waifus and I still enjoyed it. I also have an IQ of 175 (Mensa certified) so there goes your argument.
>>337039821
>>337040027
>Game lets you go faster due to shitty glitch in engine.
>Something dealt with in every serious valve entry ever made [See CS:GO]
>Oversight =/= mechanic
>One extra Mechanic = less casual.
>>337041256
>playing pubs
>>337041284
So strafe jumping in Quake isn't a mechanic?
Pretty sure if valve wanted to they could remove it. However, it's a mechanic that is integral to the game now.
Post = destroyed. Next.
>>337041256
Servers these days have votes to turn them off
>>337041284
>shitty glitch in engine
>implying it isn't an intended mechanic for momentum and movement
Source is based off goldsrc which is based off of quake. Going fast is completely intended.
>>337041284
what the fuck are you on about, if valve didn't want it in the game they wouldn't have added the rocket jumper and the gunboats that work around it. you're literally grasping at straws here.
>>337041284
Dude, building towers in cs and shooting people up to get to points of maps that are impossible otherwise have been a thing from the very start and are tolertared
>>337041258
>I also have an IQ of 175 (Mensa certified) so there goes your argument.
Thank you for confirming my assumption about your mental condition.
>>337038495
Not for basic functions no. Basic functions should be simple, responsive, and controllable so anyone can play the game normally. Advanced techniques however should range from semi-easy to practice for an entire weekend and still can't do it hard-as-balls.
>>337041801
The only mental condition I have is that I have to suffer through all the nonsense lesser minds are capable of fabricating.
>>337041284
>>One extra Mechanic = less casual.
This is actually true. Flappy bird only has one mechanic: stop falling and go up when you press the button.
it is hard, but casual as fuck. Add in directional control and you've got something that is less casual because there are more things to control yourself.
>>337042176
That's exactly what autists do.
>>337041284
Game designers are less than vermin. Their opinions hold no value, for their job is done better by an actual, honest to God, literal accident.
>>337042176
If you were so smart you wouldn't be here.
>>337042378
How is that laughable anon? You're laughing but I know you're crying on the inside
TF2: not high noon
Overwatch: high noon
>>337042378
To suffer because of people like you? You shouldn't be proud of that. I'm a supercomputer and you're a Pentium II. You're outdated; you should make way for the next generation of humans.
>>337041284
Soldier, scout, and demo wouldn't even be able to function without air strafing. It's a core part of their gameplay.
>>337042460
/v/ is the only site where you can get honest opinions about vidya. Every other game site has an army of drones waiting to defend their favorite corporation without getting anything in return besides a thick veiny cock in their hairy fat arses.
>>337037724
It's alive on the outside but not on the inside. So yeah TF2 is dead.
Overwatch is just insanely boring for me. Movement is slow and has a pretty low skill ceiling. Every map has so many choke points that it plays out like a spamfest. Not to mention it plays more like a first person moba than an actual arena shooter where aim and individual player skill matters. I wish Valve would just make a Team Fortress 3 already that just learned from all the mistakes TF2 made. The game is nearly a decade old.
>>337035139
>Say air control 4 times in the first example
>Not air control in the second example.
Whatever point you had, you're a retard.
I like both TF2 and Overwatch and will continue to play both, though admittedly the reason I enjoy TF2 so much is because the vaccinator is borderline broken.
>>337038439
random crits doublejump no bunnyhop
>>337043636
>though admittedly the reason I enjoy TF2 so much is because the vaccinator is borderline broken.
No it really isn't. Vaccinator loses to stock medigun because you can't hold the flank without overheals.
>>337043636
That's not how you spell phlog pyros
How do they all compare to Tribes: Ascend?
>>337044009
Tribes still has players?
>>337041284
>20 tickrate
>>337044064
The subject isn't active player base, it's skill involved in movement.
>>337038812
It was the fact that went f2p and a new wave of idiots emerged on the scene.
The cosmetics were just the icing on the cake. You probably don't remember because you started playing TF2 a few months ago but people stopped mid match to do trades and not to mention a lot of fags were scamming unusuals back and forth.
How it's scamming related? When I got my buds and had low hours I'd get shit ton of requests to trade them, people would often focus on my retarded cosmetic than on the game itself.
>>337035139
But Overwatch is funner
>>337043879
Depends on how you use it, the way I use it is probably differently from most, it is first and foremost a medigun for pocketing, me and a friend have used it for years and both know how to play it to it's strengths and lower the weaknesses. Key is picking and choosing battles and eliminating the enemy quickly, try to always predict damage and pop a charge at the right time. I really hardly ever notice an issue with not being able to fully overheal, with a vaccinator you almost always have at least one charge. Multiple damage sources is definitely a weakness, but more manageable with popping multiple charges, though it does drain you more.
>>337038904
So you're mad because anyone can pick up the game and doesn't have unnecessary complex inputs you can brag about on an anonymous board?
ok
>>337035139
valve ruined tf2 for me, I can't go back to it now after experiencing the early years
>>337044263
One on one battles and even two on one it's a bitch to attempt to counter even with multiple damage sources, especially if my pocket is playing soldier. Most people aren't smart enough to switch to another damage source and even with that I can usually switch in a moment's notice.
>>337044321
Sounds like a melee thread
>>337044131
>Tribes:Ascend
>Skill
>>337044263
Pocketing implies you're trying to carry, that shit doesn't fly in serious games where everyone is coordinating, you can't 2v6 constantly and expect to win. Sure vaccinator is really good in pubs because you can just shutdown the 1 or 2 good players on the other team but in comp the enemy team isn't going to be a bunch of push overs. For example something a regular medi would do is buff scouts, and send them both down the flank. Your scouts get raped and then they start back capping. Vaccinator has no answer to that.
>Talking about "skill" in TF2
>When over 12K accounts were banned including "pro" players for hacking
LMAObox
>>337043383
Air control doesn't exist in Overwatch you dumb fuck. It's literally"move wherever you want"
>>337044803
>highlander
>competitivesniper mains are cancer
>>337044583
Well yes I never mentioned anything about a very serious game, I realize against really good coordination the weapon would falter, that's not what I use the vaccinator for though. Me and my friend like to dick around on pubs and for that the vaccinator fits the bill, I guess I should have specified in pubs and non competitive matches the vaccinator is incredibly strong, it's an amazing pocket weapon.
>>337044803
What do hackers have anything to do with video game mechanics?
>>337044139
>gameplay is bad becuase I don't know how to disable trading and I play on public servers
Right
>This game is better because you can do this speed thing that is rarely useful in an actual match
Okay.
>>337044902
Yeah I absolutely agree, it's fucking annoying in pubs because it's the ultimate counter to carrying. You can't do shit about it if your team isn't helping you.
>>337044924
Oh who knows, the ability to make rocket jumping easier as well as helping you follow the target.
>>337045070
>Rarely useful
What is rolling out?
Because running back to the fight in overwatch is soooo fun.
I think that the two are equal but it says some shit that a game that was made in 2008 still kind of stands up to one from 2016
>>337045070
>rollouts
>pogoing
>rarely useful
>>337045209
That's a good point, TF2 doesn't need that mobility, OW does.
>>337045076
Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous in pubs, I remember one game I racked up a 200+ kill assist streak in a game of doublecross. Besides exceptional coordination or dumb luck there's not much you can do about a good vaccinator pair, though besides myself I rarely ever see anyone use it and I've never seen anyone use it to the same level that me and my pocket do.
>>337045252
>Easy game
>Equal
Why are people pretending that tf2 is some ultra complex game and that every character is soldier in terms of mechanics?
>>337045064
> TF2 is dead!
> b-but it has 60K players!
ok
> those players are bad because of this
> don't play on pubs!
Thanks for confirming TF2 is dead.
>>337045535
Valvedrones believe that if they defend valve games this hard they'll eventually get Half Life 3.
Look it up, they even have a bible and call Gabe their lord.
I wish I was making this shit up.
>>337045535
No one is pretending TF2 is ultra complex, people are just saying OW is shallow
>>337045647
No retort, changes subject completely.
BTFO
T
F
O
>>337038980
thats a really concise way to put it, props
>>337035139
Ye and? Pharahs way more fun to actually play
>>337035139
If Overwatch was released 3 or 4 years ago this thread would be topical.
can we all agree
overwatch is for console babies
TF2 is for the master race
>>337045840
You just literally said not to play on pubs though.
It contradicts the idea that TF2 isn't dead.
Which you just proved correct.
Are you retarded or something?
>>337046105
I can agree with the first part.
>>337036950
literally dead game
>>337046105
TF2 is for furfags, ponyfags and memespouters.
I can agree that much.
>>337045535
Its not, its all relative. OW is just that shit in comparison because the average players skill has dropped like a brick over the years and blizzard caters to these idiots.
>>337045795
The crux of every argument basically comes down to "you can rocket jump and bunny hop in tf2 so it's better." This completely ignores the fact that only 2 character really take advantage of those physics. The whole argument seems silly when you look at the full game. You can easily argue that medic is simpler than all of the OW supports or that someone like genji is more complex than scout.
>>337038495
The actions are simple, but the execution is what makes it complex.
>>337046439
Are you seriously implying that the average TF2 player is somehow skillfull?
>>337037375
6v6 is the only mode that matters
I like Overwatch better than TF2.
Come at me faggots.
>>337037103
Congratulations, you just summed up all of /v/.
>>337047139
I'm not a faggot
>>337047139
I think the same, but only because I played the ever-living fuck out of TF2.
>>337046569
>The crux of every argument basically comes down to "you can rocket jump and bunny hop in tf2 so it's better." This completely ignores the fact that only 2 character really take advantage of those physics.
and that's why those characters dominate 6s. you're also ignoring that a lot of thought has to go into how you move as a scout, comparable to tracer maybe buy scout only has his double jumps to get him out of danger while tracer has teleports that can get her away ridiculously fast and the E move which will literally give her her health back and make it so you cant hit her for a few moments.
The whole argument seems silly when you look at the full game. You can easily argue that medic is simpler than all of the OW supports or that someone like genji is more complex than scout.
but when you compare the medic to his counterpart in OW mercy you see a simplification of what the medic has to think about, sure he doesn't have her fly to a team mate but he has to think about how much uber he has and who he should heal based on how recently they took damage. mercy you just have to worry about whether to do the health or damage buff and when to use your ult. there's also the fact that you get penalized for dying as medic in tf2 while in OW outside of not being there to heal your team for a bit there is no huge downside like loosing however much uber you've built. and to the genji vs scout, like i said before the scout has to think about his movement because his doublejump is the the only saving grace he has and he has to get close enough to meat shot or he wont be doing much damage. a;; genji has to really worry about is when to press his counter and when to use his ult, he has the double jump but it lacks the mobility of scout meaning he cant get himself out of trouble with it.
>>337046742
No that's why overwatch is so popular its for people who were too shit to play tf2.
>>337036961
>complain about overwatch being a tf2 ripoff
>complain when overwatch has gameplay different from tf2
>>337036367
So is Jotaro.
![quake-team-fortress-qwtf-characters-team-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A2SXC0w.jpg "quake-team-fortress-qwtf-characters-team-1[1]")
>>337038560
>essentially QuakeWorld
>implying anyone here has played QWTF
>>337038687
>>337039058
>Complaining about Gunboats
Guess how I know you're bad
>>337038441
>missing the point like a retard to stroke epeen on 4chan
scout main here
ask me anything
>>337037683
I'd say the pub community is fucking dead when I go into it years out of practise and consistently manage to clear out servers single handedly by pubstomping everyone through constant team switches.
like i've been back to the game several times and it's just full of braindead morons now. no one actually focuses on being good at the game.
i ain't defending overwatch here at all, the community is typical moba trash. but tf2 is actually full of f2p tards even to this day. believe me, i wish it weren't so.
>>337046143
>I have never heard of dedicated community servers
How new are you to pc games.
I'd name several good active ones, but you need to learn how to figure this shit out without being spoonfed.
>>337049479
what skill level is your team?
>>337038071
>Queke
>>337049656
more than you can afford pal
>>337035139
Someone made this because they are utterly scared that a new game is going to steal part of their playerbase. Pretty sad desu.
>>337049028
Pretty sure he got the point, retard.
>>337046268
>memespouters
Every well populated multiplayer game has these now, why do you not know this?
For fucks sake why are you on /v/ if memespouting triggers you this much?
>>337035139
>showing TF2 after people have had nearly 10 years to learn more advanced maneuvers
>showing Overwatch after people have had nearly 4 days to learn basic mechanics
>comparing any at all without going back fully to Quake or UT if you want to show a high skill ceiling
>>337049936
The point is to shit on Overwatch with undeniable video evidence, need me to tell you how to not shit yourself too, champ?
>>337038495
>Input shouldn't be complex for the sake of being complex.
Except is actually very simple. Difficult to pull off, yeah but the mechanics are easy to understand. The big advantage in TF2 is that the Soldier can now do the exact same thing to reach another cap point or he can rocket jump directly up or whatever without any sort of wait all based on the same mechanic. In Overwatch, you have to wait for your cooldown that only ever moves you in a fixed trajectory.
>>337050358
Have you even played overwatch?movement like that just isn't possible, the best you'll get is what's shown in the gif and even that is convoluted compared to just using the ability and then hovering.
>>337049498
Personally, I like playing pubs simply because I get to walk all over people who are bad while also trash the two or three people who know how to play the game.
My only problem is that a lot of communities with decent regular players have died out, so if I want to play against people who aren't idiots I HAVE to play PUGs. PF2 is dead (and I hated their spawn timers), Star's server is never updated and/or dead, 99% of other communities are comprised of a single server (which is full or dead), and Skial is fucking garbage.
>>337050358
Also forgot to say people have had the game for months since the closed beta was a thing
>>337050940
>Closed Beta participators
>people
Are you really going to say anyone that makes money off playing games,sold their soul to Blizz for Overwatch, and gets $0.25 each time they shill count as people, let alone the overall playerbase?
>>337051112
I'm saying rocket jumping isn't rocket science and people haven't found anything like it in overwatch, it's just not possible with the movement limitations the game has, the only way you're gonna get skill based movement in that game is if they add a character specifically designed for it. And most of the people who got keys were faggots yes, but you also had people like ster who is a faggot but is really good at rocket jumping. He probably would have been on the lookout for something like that.
>>337050787
it's the cooldown thing which mostly is my issue with OW on this
so many of the skills are arbitrarily limited by cooldowns instead of having other limiting factors which allow you to pull them off in a more free-flowing way
phara basically just pushes a button and then that option is spent for a few seconds, soldier on the other hand can do it whenever he feels like, as many times in a row as he can manage, but it costs health and some ammo
it just feels more interesting to me with the more naturalistic skills even without the dickwaving of whose game is more skillful
TF2 players are salty their game doesn't have waifus.
Prove me wrong. Honestly it's the reason why this game is even remotely popular.
>>337051493
>it's just not possible with the movement limitations the game has
They're probably intentionally making movement exploits impossible, judging by how junkrats mine jumps sends him flying through the air like a 6 foot badminton ball, the air drag is fucking insane.
>>337051551
Basically. Blizzard killed any sort of high level play because bad players and good players are stuck with the same limits no way to overcome them.
>>337051869
>They're probably intentionally making movement exploits impossible
Well of course, Overwatch is designed to appeal to shitty players and shitty players don't like games where they get annihilated.
>>337051861
i had more fun playing medic in tf2 than i have playing any support in ow
>Soldier is somehow using "air control"
>But Pharah isn't
Why are TF2 fags so pathetic?
>>337051861
>Honestly it's the reason why this game is even remotely popular.
Exactly, so it's shit.
>>337051869
I love the mine jump but you fly forward for a bit and then nothing, you drop like a rock. I've even tried using his "pills" to jump but the send you nowhere.
>>337052237
>He doesn't know what air strafing is
>>337049580
been playing since it came out. Dedicated community servers are deader than dead. My own included. Its valve cancer or furry cancer. Please stop pretending tf2 has any people worth playing with anymore.
>>337051915
I think there still can be high level play, just look at fucking dota or whatever which has even less mechanical skill than this game, but there will probably be no high level movement or other major mechanical skills (like juggling or something)
which is a real shame, because it's just cool to do and to see, like that feeling when you finally kill that soldier that's dominating half the server
but TF2 also had very low mechanical skill for most of the non-explosive classes if I remember correctly
one has 12 year olds, furries and mlp faggots as well as no servers to play on
the other doesn't
i love tf2 to death but i'm welcoming overwatch with open arms.
>>337052237
There's no airstrafing in Overwatch.
>>337048402
>too shit to play tf2
>implying tf2 has any skill
CS1.6, Quake, UT04 are skill based games. TF2 isn't.
>>337052589
>no servers to play on
>>337052676
competitive 6v6 tf2 is pretty skill intensive tbqh
>>337052507
There's a guy on /v/ who hosts a TF2 server some nights. It's okay for chilling and shitposting.
But I've stopped playing since there's nothing to do and the market is worthless and drops are as well.
>>337051861
No, you're right, that's really the thing he has going for it
>>337038980
In other words, it's like comparing Melee to Smash 4
>>337052676
TF2 is a very quakelike game. There's plenty of skill involved, even though it's quite casualized.
Honestly, as a person who loved tf2 and actually loves Overwatch, i higly prefer tf2's rocketjumping and air strafing mechanics.
They are simply years ahead of what overwatch is doing right now
>>337052237
Please don't speak if you didn't play both games, dumb rabbitposter
Why do video games have to be something to prove how "hardcore" you are, why can't they just be fun?
>>337052801
competitive OW 6v6 barely even started. It's at the point of infancy, but I don't really give a fuck about that since OW is more for fun.
Same shit with TF2.
>>337052507
It took me less than 60 seconds on the server browser to find no less than 10 candidates for a good time, no furry/pony shit.
Granted this is probably because people are getting off work.
>>337052924
leave.
>>337052924
Go play fucking Candy Crush, casual.
>>337052924
well it's more fun if there's more room for kickass maneuvers, and in multiplayer games built for playing for hundreds of hours you're much more likely to have time to learn those kickass maneuvers
>>337052884
>very quakelike
The only thing quake-like about it is soldier and maybe sniper.
Comparing casual with casual is like saying league is a pure skill game as opposed to hots, when in reality they're both casual
>>337052541
>but TF2 also had very low mechanical skill for most of the non-explosive classes if I remember correctly
They were far from simple though. You can't pick up someone like spy or heavy and expect to do well with him right off the bat. Heavy is one of the most game sense reliant classes and is punished more than anyone else for bad positioning while spy is extremely difficult to be consistently good at because you have to know how every other class thinks and plays and outwit them.
>>337052924
gameplay should become more advanced. not less.
>suddenly TF2 is good
lol fuck /v/
>>337052924
high skill ceiling doesn't mean a high skill floor
tf2 has a low skill floor and a high skill ceiling, ow has a low skill floor and a low skill ceiling
>>337053185
When TF2 first came out with orange box, I guarantee you people (including me) were good right out the bat.
It's the same with OW. Don't pretend like you know the "complex mechanics" of OW in beta. Everyone's garbage, and everyone's learning the game, just like tf2.
>caring about le dead game xD
>>337053185
are you high? The first thing newbies did was pick heavy and eng to mow down hordes or other newbies
>>337053185
yeah but those aren't really mechanical skills, heavy gameplay consists mostly of aiming in the general enemy direction and walking, even though that might be very difficult it's not really hard to do, just hard to do properly
i'm sure OW has some decent game sense requirements in there some where too
though I think it's actually a good thing to have some classes which don't require twitch aim and hummingbird movement skills without being braindead easy
>>337052924
I think the overall complaint about OW is that it has simplified and taken out many advanced techniques, ones that can only be used after some dedicated practice, in favor for a easier to play game.
Personally, I'm of the side that OW is an FPS that is easier for people not familiar to the FPS genre. It limits the impact one very skilled player can have on a match to be similar with a less skilled player.
However, it does emphasize teamwork far more than a game like TF2 does. I think the challenge in this game stems more from team comps and coordination, this game very much punishes players who want to lone wolf, unless they're playing heroes that are specialized for solo play, like Genji.
>>337053352
I'm assuming somewhat competent players, I won't deny the average TF2 player is a colossal fucking retard.
>>337053295
>I guarantee you people (including me) were good right out the bat.
I seriously find that hard to believe with how ridiculously strong demo was, heavy is an easy target for spam.
>>337052960
I also spent 60 seconds.
Ofcourse, other than pony/trade/idle/furry/valve we git
>bots
>instant respawn
>24/7 meme maps
Youre full of shit.
>>337051861
That's not a good thing. It means more people will end up dropping it because they will get bored of the characters. TF2 thrived because of the gameplay and game modes, OW doesn't have that to compete. That said, its a blizzard game so it won't be dying any time soon
>>337053564
>heavy gameplay consists mostly of aiming in the general enemy direction and walking
Not really, the heavy is expected to sit back and guard the weaker classes, deny flankers/bombers, and occasionally help the demo focus down enemies at higher levels of play. A good heavy has to be constantly jumping, repositioning, and backing up to avoid headshots and explosive spam. If you just walk forward and hold down M1 you're a sitting duck.
>>337053584
>However, it does emphasize teamwork far more than a game like TF2 does.
bait or you haven't played competitive tf2
>>337053623
>find it hard to believe
Then you didn't play TF2 when it was 30 bucks, or you sucked. Remember that there's a medic and ubercharge still existed. Also that there's a pyro that is pretty much hold left click and try to get behind them
TF2 was complete casual when it first came out, comparable to OW now, except the main difference is that OW has a ton more selection.
>>337053806
I think he means in the context of public uncompetitive servers. OW allows a max of 6 players on each team so you don't have the same freedom to dick around like you can in a 24 player TF2 server. Centers are a complete fucking joke.
>>337045535
No one's saying that it's complex. People are saying that it's more complex than Overwatch.
Hell, fucking League is more complex than Overwatch. Let that sink in.
>>337053295
Not him but how about you stop pretending that someone is gonna find some magical tech that makes the game more than it is. Face it overwatch is more reliant on juggling your ults and team comp than it is on individual skill, that's fine and all but it means outside of aiming/maps and game sense there are no skills to be learned to make one good at the game. The beta is for all purposes the full game, some people have gotten the collectors edition of the game and the postcards it comes with are only the maps in the beta. Unless they're hiding new Hero's and maps that drastically alter gameplay what you see in the beta is what you get and there are no advanced techniques for individual players to learn outside how to chain their cooldown moves together with teammates.
>>337053972
>Remember that there's a medic and ubercharge still existed.
Really a medic is going to save you from 8 180 damage stickies with no arm time and pipes blowing up at your feet?
>Also that there's a pyro that is pretty much hold left click and try to get behind them
Pyro didn't have airblast at release and was even more of a joke than he is now.
>>337037581
>yfw they apparently abandoned SMITE as well
Fuck you Hi-Rez. Fuck you to hell.
both shit
>>337054026
That's probably the most desperate comparison there is.
Why are tf2 fanboys so deadset on shitting on OW? I played tf2 but left after manconomy because it was going down the shitter, but put it like this.
On a scale of difficulty, I'd put OW on a 3, and Tf2 on a 5 (quake/ut on a 10, 1.6 on a 8 or 9, cod on a 1).
TF2 is barely anymore complex than OW, but OW is simply more fun compared to the state tf2 is in now. I'd take a slightly easier game that has a bright future than a game that's slowly dying.
Note that I did play UT04/quake/1.6 a ton. So i went into TF2/OW with good aim.
>>337054117
How can you say that when most overwatch players aren't even good at the game yet?
99% of the community don't even know about animation canceling or character specific things like pharah's concussion blast boost. People are shitting on the game when they don't even have a good grasp or understanding of the game
>>337054117
I don't know if you're trolling or retarded, but strats for games come with time. You think people found strats for CS within 4 days? Did you know that bhopping for CS is a glitch?
You clearly haven't played enough games in it's infancy to it's prime if you don't think new strats and tools are developed over time.
>>337035139
You people are like the melee fags of FPS
Kill yourselves before its too late.
>>337053804
Yes, but how do you accomplish those things? Walking and spraying with the minigun(and jumping but cmon it's not that hard to perform). Most of those skills are more cerebral, and maybe a bit reaction based. Doesn't mean it's not hard.
>>337054207
No they didn't. MOBAs are still a cash cow and Hi-Rez is still balls deep in smite
Mark my words, the meta will boil down to junkrat and rollerblade negro
>>337054701
I'm not denying that, I'm only saying that just because heavy doesn't have a lot of mechanical skill doesn't mean he's easy or that he has doesn't have other shit to worry about.
What is "Air Control"?
Is that referring to him just aiming as he flies through the air?
>>337054943
that can literally apply to all of overwatch
>>337055019
Holding A or D while in the air controls your trajectory in TF2, this is used a lot in comp to make yourself harder to hit while bombing as soldier/demo, surfing as medic, or jumping as scout. (double jump locks your trajectory)
Air control doesn't exist in overwatch.
>>337053975
>>337053806
This. Smaller team sizes requires everyone to be together or get collectively fucked.
Also I haven't played competitive TF2.
>>337054573
You seem under the impression everyone has to know the game inside and out before it can be judged, that's not how it works. Even if 99 percent of the community blows and can't figure out how to rocket jump the top players will figure it out and show that it's possible. That's just not happening with this game because movement is restricted to a huge degree , does that make it a bad game? No, but it means you loose the ability for individual players to learn something thus lowering the skill ceiling. I will reiterate once more, people have the collectors edition, what you see in the beta is what you get. Does that make the game bad , nope I still enjoy it but it means the skill ceiling for the individual player is lower than tf2s and more reliant on different aspects than tf2.
>>337055019
>>337055249
So basically it just means moving, but you have to come up with a term for it to act superior, got it
>>337037581
>>337041210
>>337054207
>>337038917
They just released a patch this year dammit. Go play it, it's almost what original tribes was
>>337054943
we're basically agreeing with each other dude
TF2 vs. Overwatch threads are 1:1 to USF4 vs. SFV threads.
And when Infiltration and Takido showed those USFIV shitters that they were fucking wrong, everybody shut the fuck up.
Overwatch isn't out yet. You can not say its shallow when it has not been fully explored. Sure, discuss its differences between TF2 and it in terms of execution such as the soldier's ability to do the rocket jump at expense of health versus Pharah and the cost of time, but don't think you know the game before its out.
>p-please come back to hat fortress! I'm so lonely in my idle server :^(
>>337054598
Strats yes , but I'm arguing about movement and individual skill which overwatch is less reliant on than tf2. Like I said in my post overwatch will rely more on aiming, juggling ults and combining cool down skills more than individual player skill for high level play.
>>337055691
>You can not say its shallow when it has not been fully explored.
Okay. So let's say someone explored it for ten months. Like, say, a "professional scene"
Oh, oh oh oh wait. That's a thing. They only play McCree and Lucio because nobody else is remotely viable. Weird. That sounds kinda shallow to me.
>>337053263
is that webm supposed to be impressive
>>337055226
Not really, teamfights pushes and retreats aren't a thing in OW. There are no crit heals encouraging players to fall back for buffs, there's no way to track ults and stacking ults isn't always a good idea so players are encouraged to constantly use them, the maps encourage spamming with so many chokes while also making it hard to flank, and players aren't punished very much for dying. Everyone moves so slowly so it's difficult to catch players by surprise like a flanking scout or bombing soldier would.
Then you look at TF2 the closest thing to an ult is uber which the entire meta is built around which both teams track and make decisions based off that to decide whether to push, wait for picks, or try to force/kill the enemy medic. Crit heals encourage players to not play too aggressively because they can fall back and get another full overheal immediately instead of dying and waiting 30 or so seconds to respawn then jump back to the medic who now has to spend another 10s buffing you because you don't have crit heals.
>>337055691
>You can not say its shallow when it has not been fully explored.
pure lack of movement based options already makes that way obvious
>>337039742
>>337040241
keet.pw
>>337055691
This would be true if we didn't know through the collectors edition that what you see in the beta is what you get unless they're hiding a hero or a map for release day and even then it'll be a different hero to play it won't change the lack of any game specific techniques needing to be learned.
>>337050926
This is probably the best and most consistent complaint against TF2 nowadays. The unique community with all their unique servers and activity are all dead, replaced almost solely by valve servers and skial pay 2 pubstomp even harder. It's a side effect of Valve turning TF2 into just another autistic cash cow to be sucked dry for eternity, or until we eradicate all Russian shitters
>>337055459
Except people are learning new stuff all the time and people are getting known for specific characters. Seagull is considered the top genji in the world because his aim, movement, cancels, etc. are on another level. The game does lack a lot of universal mechanics but there are a ton of character specific stuff
>>337035139
TF2: BR and RUS F2P kiddies
Overwatch: Pay barrier deflects those without debit cards and 40 dollars of spending money; the worst you're going to get are white kids
>>337036367
This, and I used to play the game all the goddamn time. If Valve actually had an idea of what the fuck to do with their game I might still be playing.
>>337055535
Have you ever seen a 6s soldier or scout play? Have you ever fought one? Scout is almost game breaking because air strafing makes him incredibly fucking hard to hit and soldier has the best mobility in the game period because of it. You can think your safe on a point and then you see this shit flying at you all the way from the other side of the map >>337035139 none of that would be possible without air strafing.
>>337055605
As much as people complain that the game died because they capped speed. The reality is that the game died due to their cash shop model choices.
>>337055535
No. The properties of the inputs' effects on your motion are more varied than in overwatch.
Compare the difference in control and effect between actual bunnyhopping vs. just tapping the space bar as often as possible. It's a similar difference.
>>337035139
>tfw the spirit of TF2 is dead as fuck, and you and all your friends continue to inhabit it's dead husk because you have so many goddamn hours in it
>>337055964
>teamfights pushes and retreats aren't a thing in OW
>there's no way to track ults
my bad I thought you knew at least a little bit about OW beyond bottom tier pubs
>>337056194
>Seagull is considered the top genji in the world
the soldier from mix^?
>>337056194
Those are skills that would make him pretty good at most fps, he didn't really have to learn anything new outside when to use his cooldown abilities and what enemies can one shot him. As opposed to a soldier main kn tf2 who has to learn how to rocket jump and juggle with the rockers and shit. Again I don't mean to say the game is bad or the guy is bad , heaven knows I can't fight genjis for shit but he didn't have to learn as much as a soldier main would and he won't no matter which character he picks which means the skill ceiling is lower.
>>337056503
>you're wrong but I'm not going to say why and I'll just insult you instead
>>337036367
Overwatch will be dead in a month after release when people realize how shallow the game is, and there will be no new blood because of it's insanely high price for what is a f2p-tier game
I mean how long did it take for HotS to die? 2 weeks?
>>337056194
And I should have said people are learning how to deal with other people /spots to surprise people with or even team comps that work well together, which is pretty much all you'll ever get out of overwatch.
>>337056503
How can you track enemy team ults then? The group I've been playing is sometimes surprised how someone on the enemy team has ult up before the 3 minute mark.
>>337056640
Seagull is an invite soldier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19LZzAD5ZeI
UT2004 is still the best shooter of all time.
>>337056967
Would like to know as well, I've had two games where we wiped the enemy team early on only to have the mercy revive everyone while I'm still sitting at 50 percent on my ult.
>>337035139
tf2: not designed for comp
overwatch: designed for comp
i'm fine with tf2 being "complex" and overwatching being simplified. they're two different games with different goals in mind.
>>337056812
How the hell is $40 too much for a full game? Niggas spend that shit on 2 skins in other games.
>WHY ISN'T THIS NEW GAME EXACTLY LIKE THIS OLD GAME?!
>>337057007
And I guarantee you he would say it was easier and faster learning genji then it was to properly play soldier.
>>337040241
Fuck this teek propaganda, y'all are fags
>>337057259
Looks like someone got votebanned
>>337057173
>overwatch
>designed for comp
>20 tick
>>337036367
I sometimes think that none of you know what it is like to actually play a dead game.
>tfw Natural Selection 2 could have been so good, but it died not even a year after release
>>337056636
Yep
>>337057173
How is a game where several characters have "kill everybody" button designed for competitive play, much less balanced for comp?
>>337057197
For the amount of things in the game as of this beta, $40 is way too high asking price. You have a handful of maps, and only a few different game modes that no way won't be boring after 3 weeks of play, especially when the maps mostly play the same every time.
It's actually harder to play pyro than any other class in Overwatch
I'm amazed
>>337056695
Sonic boom is such a good show
>>337035139
Every fucking thread
>Overwatch isn't as good as TF2
>Why?
>Because it's not like TF2
>There will never be a No Ultimate gametype in overwatch where you lock in characters at the beginning of the match
>>337057096
>UT2004
>Not UT99
You're trash.
>>337057474
>hold W and LMB at the same time to win
Damn! that was hard!
>>337057576
It also goes the way around too
>TF2 isn't as good as Overwatch
>Why?
>Because it's not like Overwatch
>>337035139
most tf2 players can not do this
>>337057576
Most of the people in the thread are saying overwatch is less complex than tf2 because of the lack of advanced movement techniques which is completely true.
>>337057669
Overwatch isn't very fun, though. TF2 is.
>>337057650
>press E and M2 to win
wew
>Overwatch will become popular due to pure shilling from Blizzard
FUCKING BULLSHIT
GAME IS FUCKING ASS STOP TALKING ABOUT IT
>>337057576
Nice generalization.
OW isn't as good because numerous mechanics have been dumbed down.
There isn't a single thing OW did better.
>>337057732
But most Overwatch players will be able to do the Pharah movement.
>>337049498
Literally every fps out there that's not quake.
>>337057958
You actually have to aim though. Thats probably why you aren't good at it.
Blizzard can't balance a fucking game to save their lives, you might as well just stick to TF2 since overwatch is such a fucking cheesefest
>>337057963
>stop talking about vidya on the vidya board because I don't like them
FUCK OFF YOU GOD DAMNED CANCER
PACK YOUR SHIT AND FUCK OFF
I DON'T EVEN PLAY THE FUCKING GAME I AM JUST REPLYING BECAUSE I SAW YOUR BRAIN DEATH INDUCING POST FIRST PAGE
GET.THE.FUCK.OUT.
Why cant you faggots enjoy both Overwatch and TF2 separately? Of course they are going to draw comparisons, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy both. Why do you need other anons to validate your opinion on which one is better?
>>337057963
Open betas always draw this kind of attention. If you expect anything different than you have been living under a rock.
>try to use Pharah's jump jet to react defensively and get the fuck away from something
>it never works, I just die ragdolling into space at light speed
>never get to avoid things like Tracer's ult or Junkrat's grenades
>killcam always shows I never jumped away in the first place
the future of esports
>>337057958
>Hear "It's High Noon"
>Hide inside a little area where medkits spawn
>mfw I see him facing me when I turn around
>mfw he wasted his ult just to kill me
thing is, even though I understand overwatch makes it easy mode, I'll literally never be able ot pull off the move shown in TF2 unless I practice for hours straight.
Overwatch has the ability to make you feel cool and powerful while just enjoying yourself with what the game offers.
>>337056967
>>337057127
You track them by paying attention to how the other team is doing. They only go up by 3 ways: time, damage done, and healing done. It varies from character to character, but generally you should expect every character to have ult in 2 mins (which is slow). From then on you track it based on a combo of last time used and how well that character has been playing. It's not that hard but it takes a bit of conditioning
>>337058212
He cared about you
>>337057197
it's 200 dolans in my country
that's fucking ridiculous
>>337058117
>throw stun in their general direction
>have to aim at a stunned character
wew lad
>>337058259
What is funny is I remember conc jumpers from TFC shitting on TF2 when it first came out.
i hate how /v/ suddenly acts like they have played TF2 within the last couple of years.
stop lying to yourself people, just accept that Overwatch will pretty much replace TF2 (except for the poor people who can't afford Overwatch)
>>337058434
I am playing TF2 right now, faggot
speak for yourself
>>337058434
This has been said about every team based shooter since TF2 came out. Also, comp TF2 is way more fun.
>>337058547i am
>>337058434
Overwatch is garbage though. TF2 is still popular and balanced. It's also free.
>2016
>implying people can't buy a 60$ game
I fell for the bait
>stuns and ultimates
How many years will it be until this awful, awful fad is removed from future game design?
>>337058676
Never because it sells to retards.
is it true that all melee in overwatch does like 30 damage only?
only thing I miss from TF2 is the strong melee weapons and backstabs and stuff
but I think overall overwatch is better because it uses separate keys for different abilities instead of switching weapons nonstop
>>337044321
no, he is mad cause he thinks everyone else has autism that allows them to "master" these heroes in minutes.
I call bullshit btw
>master does not mean being able to rek casuals
>>337058676
>>337058705
every fad disappears eventually
but don't worry, something worse always shows up
>>337058263
>but generally you should expect every character to have ult in 2 mins (which is slow). From then on you track it based on a combo of last time used and how well that character has been playing
But you can never know for sure and that's 6 different ults you're estimating. How could you know when to push if there's a possibility mercy, zenyatta, or lucio has their ults? It would be meaningless. There are too many factors to account for to ever make a 100% smart decision. TF2 there's actual math too it that many teams build their strategies around and you can add up all the factors to know whether your push will be successful or not.
>>337058263
You cannot see any of those numbers. Ults are mechanic from assfaggots where you can actually track them from looking at the game clock and counting a bit and playing around that. There's no way to tell if their high damage characters happen to headshot your tank that's constantly getting healed and build up their ulties that way.
Like the other anon said, tf2 handles über as an "ult" and you can track that very simply by telling your spy to disguise as medic and switching to the medigun.
>>337058334
Well sorry to hear that.
>>337058806
totally agree with this.
sure some characters are easy. but to play them to their fullest potential, you have to get pretty good with some of them.
especially since this game rewards headshots wich TF2 doesn't.
also seems to have a lot of fun movement tricks and animation cancels.
>>337058909
You weigh risk vs reward and communicate with your team. At the very least you could just assume they all have ults and decide if you could win the fight anyway or need to bait some out. It comes down to execution at that point.
>>337059034
It's an estimate just like how tracking uber advantage is an estimate outside of the spy method
>>337059270
you have to learn how to chain their cooldown abilities together, the movement is very basic for everybody. the thing people seem to ignore in this thread is that most of us aren't saying the game is worse than tf2 just that it's less complex because it has virtually no advanced movement options, it's less taxing for a player to learn a new character because instead of having to learn how to move as a scout or rocket jump as soldier you just have to learn how to chain his cooldown abilities with your teammates and when to ult. your movement between characters remains virtually the same outside of some character being able to fly or climb walls by pressing a button.
>>337059270
This is such a tired shitty meme that people have carried from game to game to game.
>>337058620
>balanced
Now I know you are trolling
>>337059769
Still better than Overwatch. Blizzard is garbage at everything.
>>337059564
the difference between tracking an uber by guessing though is that most people have learned the timing because it's pretty consistent and it's one thing to mentally track. overwatch has you trying to track 6 peoples potentially game changing moves without a definite answer as to how much they charge over a period of time. i'm sure at some point they'll release a hero that can see ult progress and i'm sure as soon as they do most comp teams will pick him up.
I'm just glad that PC games are moving away from the stupid serverlist meme
or does TF2 have a quick matchmaking mode?
>>337059907
>enemy character has ult
>activates
>Yells in foreign language
>hide behind a pillar/focus down
why is this so hard for people? like yes they can be game changing but only if you are a retard.
>>337060032
it does nowadays.
>>337060032
it does, and why are you against server list?
>>337060109
Oh I love how /v/ loves to oversimplify everything. Because, you know, there aren't other factors involved, like being stunned in place, knocked around by grenades, being grappled...
>>337059564
>You weigh risk vs reward and communicate with your team.
You can play off probability yes but not if you want this game to be competitive because then it comes down to luck and not skill. You cannot have so many factors unaccounted for in high level play, imagine it's grand finals and one team wants to push but there's a 10% chance the other team has their ults. They push and it turns out they did have them and they get shit on and lose because of something they had no control over.
>It comes down to execution at that point.
That only works up to a certain point, in high level play you cannot assume the enemy is going to miss.
>>337060176
because it's a waste of time, the server lists usually had wrong statistics anyway, and there was no matchmaking so you'd play people of hugely different skill
>>337055876
yes. it's my best one yet
>>337060109
>bastions ult has him doing insane ammounts of damage and takes not too long to do
>roadhogs ult can clear an entire team off a point or kill them if the point is that one in nepal
>widowmaker literally gives the entire team wallhacks
i can go on, some ults are easy to dodge but some can be game changers and can come out of nowhere. i give you that medic ults should be game changers but something like meis can shut down a objective cap with little to no effort on meis part and nothing that can be done by the attackers.
>>337060305
i understand that but without one you end up with the risk of joining empty servers when the auto join flips out like it did to me more than a few times on BF4
>>337059693
Have you ever considered the thought that maybe you are just naturally talented at these games?
Not everyone is good at games, idiot.
>>337060619
that's just shitty programming then. Works fine in most games.
plus Source was the shittiest of them all. In CSS and TF2 servers would always say they were 30/32 or something and be totally empty
wow, so I was just about to preorder Overwatch but thanks to this thread, I'm going to just play TF2 some more.
>>337058212
I love that little bit because it reminds me of old movies where people would rush indoors when a shootout was going to happen
Can I like both?
>>337060447
but there's so much stuff that counters the ults you mentioned, especially stuns, and mei ult still allows you to use movement abilitys.
widowmakers wallhack has somewhat of a small duration.
>>337060706
It has nothing to do with my abilities as a player, it's people holding this weird mysticism that you somehow have to be exception to play "to their fullest potential".
No, not really. Especially in a Blizzard game, where everything is completely mindless.
>CANCEL crouch into jump
AHAHAHAH ITS NOT A FIGHT GAME YOU FAGGOT, YOU'RE NOT CANCELLING ANYTHING
ALSO
>pogo
>air control
>pogo
>air control
you could have just wrote
>do the same shit as many times as you want
really struggled to make rocket jumping look complicated huh
>>337057963
>>>/r9k/
go talk about hating women and tendies you faggot
>>337038482
i prefer valvedrones to blizzdrones desu.
>>337060981
im glad to have kept updating the thread long enough to see op so fucking obliterated. top post friend and i honestly mean it. seriously though op could have just showed a wubbum that said shoot the ground and turn to exploit the shitty source physics there you go thats how to rocket jump.
>>337060897
>have to hit headshots on small fast moving characters with hitscan/projectile weapons
>have to predict enemy movement
>have to know all the characters and their potentials
>have to know the maps.
mindless is really underselling the game.
>>337060752
that's why you were supposed to have 3-4 regular pubs and play CAL like a cool person.
server lists being called a meme might be the worst thing posted on /v/ this year that i've seen.
>>337060841
the only stuns i can think of that don't rely on an ult are mcrees flashbang and roadhogs chain, correct me if im wrong. even so it would take the character being in the right place at the right time and not have used their abilities to stop them. same for the mei ult with the added point that like i said it can shut down a cap and the attackers can do nothing about it, come to think of it hanzos ult can do the same thing. certain characters ults are game changers without a doubt so not being able to accurately track when they're ready is a pretty big deal.
>>337057449
Some extremely dedicated players still play it, there are like 3 active servers.
>>337061174
you old enough to post here?
the rocket jump is no exploit or secret. it was literally in the fucking class reveal.
>>337045398
They're both easy tho?
>>337061595
not me >>337061595
however in reply to you, I believe he meant repeated rocket jumping like this which was only really viable with the trainer rocket launcher
>>337060981
the point is that any of that shit you can't do in overwatch because everything and their mother is on some unholy cooldown
overwatch is not a movement based game
>>337061374
>wanting to play on the same four amateur servers run by some gay admin and mods and having to watch their shitty intro splash thingy every time you join and their shitty memes and meme scripts
>not wanting to play on a professional server run by the game company that matches you with people of similar skill
yeah it's a meme
there's always friends list and custom games if you know people to play with
>>337061595
rocket jumping is not the same as rocket jumping sideways or backwards and exploiting shitty source engine bugs. there is a reason you fly slower when doing it forwards and it is the same reason that half life 2 speedruns are done by launching yourself backwards. basically, since you apparently don't know, source engine prevents players forward momentum on a much stricter bias than it does momentum in any other direction in source games. purely on the fact that valve didn't think people would ever think about trying to go fast in other directions.
>>337061707
Yeah that's why they gave soldier gunboats and why ramp sliding exists right?
There's a reason they haven't touched the gunboats in 6 years.
>>337061495
the only one you missed is reinhardts charge
either way, it's not just stunning but also just killing the one who ults ASAP often done on characters like pharah,Mccree and genji
Mei ult and Hanzo ult can't 100% cover a point, and also due to overtime being a thing, not touching the objective for a couple of seconds doesn't lose you the game.
also at around higher levels and at the end of the open beta, i rarely ever see good hanzo ults, it's just telegraphed real hard and easy to dodge, like the Dva ult.
and yea let's say they do a zarya ult + Bastion ult combo, if your team doesn't have at least 1 ult up, then you fucked up. people just like waisting their cooldowns on 1 single kill or something.
>>337054026
League is also more complex than tf2, I'm not sure what you're trying to imply.
>>337062154
Not really lmao
>>337062428
t. Valvedrone
>>337062529
t. leaguefag
>>337060305
>>337060032
>>337060752
>>337061841
Eat shit you fucking retard. Mongoloids like you are ruining video games. Fuck matchmaking, give me private servers and proper search tools. Games like TF2 are all about finding a good server community.
>>337061920
>rocket jumping sideways or backwards and exploiting shitty source engine bugs
Basic physics are bugs? Are you fucking retarded? If you jump and shoot a rocket in front of you where do you expect the player to go?
>that half life 2 speedruns are done by launching yourself backwards
Half life 2 is on a much older version of the engine you cannot compare the two. For example bunny hopping in TF2 is nearly impossible compared to HL2 and you cannot increase speed forever just running backwards.
>there is a reason you fly slower when doing it forwards
It's not about speed it's about control you fucking moron. You wouldn't be able to turn corners or dodge in the air otherwise. C-Tapping and wall jumping already gives soldiers more than enough horizontal momentum for nearly every situation.
>>337062703
I don't even play the game, but you have to realize how retarded you sound when you're implying that a casual shooter is as complex as a casual dota.
>>337061736
>overwatch is not a movement based game
and tf2 is just barely a class based game in comparison to overwatch with only one character for each class
both have their pros and cons and play completely different, i wish people would stop comparing the two
>>337062710
>good server community.
wow that's incredibly gay. Do you donate monthly to get a cool symbol by your name too?
>>337062776you're right, I'm sorry
>>337062032
yeah and nobody uses the gunboats because replacing the shotgun as a solider is fucking stupid
>>337036961
>it's only an argument if i say it is!
>>337062776
they're both on the baby level of complexity
the autistic item timing and purchasing is replaced by aiming and playing corners
different shit, same level of casual
>>337063018
well its a good thing i play soldier and not the solider
>>337062737
Not the other anon you were arguing with earlier, but I am kinda thinking you only learned about the source engine through shitposts and don't really have any idea of what you are talking about.
>>337036961
you're right, its not an argument, its a fucking knockout. Who gives a fuck about a dead as fuck game on an even older engine
>>337063264
Do you? The back hopping glitch was fixed in orange box and bunny hopping is incredibly difficult to do consistently in TF2. He says getting speed from air strafing is a glitch, you wouldn't be able to air strafe at all if that wasn't the case.
>>337038917
>>337041210
>>337054207
SHUTUP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
TRIBES ONLY DIED BRIEFLY BECAUSE IDIOTS LIKE YOU KEPT SAYING IT WAS DEAD
IT WAS ALWAYS PRETTY MUCH THE FUCKING SAME, AND NOW EVEN THE SPEED CAP IS GONE AND YOU FAGGOTS STILL SAY THIS
STUPID FUCKING HERD MENTALITY, GO DOWNLOAD IT AND PLAY IT IF YOU MISS IT, ITS FUCKING FINE
>>337062941
one character and a billion weapons, it's easy to just look at overwatch and see how they split up the classes from tf2 - often pretty literally
>>337063146
good thing i said a solider and not the solider
>>337038279
I'm gonna let you know something anon. I played TF2 the day it went F2P and played for 4 years. I recebtly quit to play CSGO because I knew TF2 was dying.
TF2 takes beyond more skill than CSGO. CSGO is a campy, "stay in one place and advance occasionally" type of game. TF2 on the other hand is constant movement and focus on including aiming into your movement.
3/10 you tried.
>>337063576
a billion weapons that they have to patch constantly in reference to each other because they refuse to properly playtest them because valve is full of grubby jews that want to get new weapons onto the marketplace as quickly as possible
so many weapons were fucking broken on release
>>337035139
>tactics based on exploiting glitches vs. tactics based on utilizing intentional game mechanic elements
WELL I'LL BE
>>337056812
I'm afraid that Overfagg will get very popular with e-sports when Blizz is forcing it hard enough
>>337035139
>F2P
yah nah. I'd rather play in a non F2P community on a game that will receive many new heroes that will keep the game interesting.
I really hope you don't play TF2 after the F2P patch. I really hope you didn't start playing during F2P.
>>337063576
>weapons added over 10 years of constant updates
>game was barebones as fuck on launch
seriously stop comparing current TF2 with Overwatch.
whenever they split a "TF2 class + weapons" into 2 "overwatch classes" they always add something to make each character full of unique gameplay.
>>337063707
they haven't done that in forever
stop talking if you haven't played the game in ~5 years
>>337063669
not him but I can almost guarantee you are below DMG in cs go. You can talk about its competitive scene once you reach DMG, until then, you are yourself, and surrounded by, shitters.
>>337063857
sorry, it lost all of its charm when it became loaded with lasers,hats and flying ponies
>>337063857
not him but
>playing after the F2P patch
You've already proven you're cancer beyond hope. You are in your containment community, thank you for remaining there. Overwatch and other games will be better offf.
>>337063821
the only thing unique the overwatch classes tend to have is their ultimates, most of the other shit is making up for less versatility of the weapons they have (just look at something like Junkrat, literally a less versatile Demoman)
>>337062046
i wouldn't really count reinhardts charge because of the starup, he'll be long flung away by roadhog by then. and while mei and hanzos ults can't completely shut down a point they can force the enemy team to either back off the point or go forward into a waiting mei to freeze them. like i said certain ults are game changers but can't be easily countered and that's just not a good thing to me, i mean yea there is skill in deploying it at the right time but i have a problem with something like a mei ult locking off a hallway making it so an entire team has to wait for the thing to end before they can move forward.
>>337063963
Why would F2Ps ever bother me, at all?
>>337035139
Most of the movement skills in overwatch needs shorter cooldowns.
Why can I only roll once every 5 seconds with McCree.
>>337063669
>cs go is campy
>a competetive objective based game in which one team attacks and another defends is campy
gee ya dont say? Also try camping on offense and see if you win anything
oh and "advance occasionally" do you mean walk slowly making little noise while coordinating with your team? Why am i wasting my time trying to explain this to some gold 1 scrubadub
>>337064160
because it fully reloads your revolver.
>>337064061
not only did it introduce a massive influx of cancer, children, and foreigners with horrible internet, but it also marked a distinct time in which valve stopped giving a fuck for good about the game's tone
>>337063435
Haha go try it out in game anon I assure you will still go faster backwards or sideways than forwards. Valve programmers are notoriously bad, but for a casual experience their games are fine for pubbing. It's only the melee tier autists who think all games are perfect hyper competitive gameplay who are to blame for anything beyond that. It's adorable to see people pick up TF2 in it's winter years and claim it to be some great thing it really never was.
>>337040027
>Give demoman a new explosive
>VALVE PLS NERF HIM
>give demoman a new melee
>This is going against the spirit of the character valve why
>>337064169
Did I not include in my post that I started CSGO recently? I'm basing everything off of my experience with the game. Yeah, I'm new to it. Just because a game has support from esports doesn't mean it takes more skill.
>>337037480
You forgot
>join tf2 server
>ponies
>furries
>>337064160
because if you could roll sooner you're be able to be a constant fanning tornado of bullets
do you even know what the roll does? You know it reloads your gun instantly right? You realize its less of a dodge/escape and more of an advantage for fire rate in a firefight right?
>>337064160
It fully reloads your revolver. One of the strongest moves in the game that allows you to drop tanks like butter.
People like to argue that Widowmaker needs a shorter cd. I could understand it being 10 seconds vs whatever it is now. But giving her a shorter cd makes her almost impossible to catch.
>>337064264
You're not wrong, but they've been regularly updating with good shit for a good year and a half now, at least. Also none of those players should ever bother you.
>>337064367
Exactly, you did include that, which makes it all the more perplexing that you think you're fit to compare the competitiveness of it to anything. Don't be a vet of one thing, jump to another thing that has a competitive ranking system that takes time to climb and say "gee that old thing seemed way harder"
>>337064603
Fair enough.
>>337064439
>Also none of those players should ever bother you.
i guess in theory nothing should bother anyone but having to mute constant faggot mic spammers, having to see furry and deviant art tier sprays everywhere and attempting to aim at teleporting BRs can take its toll on you after a while
I played TF2 and can agree is filled with 12 yrs old people mic spamming and overused memes
Also they are only idling for the hats and cosmetics for funny screenshots
Tfw im Spanish anyone know good servers for just play??
>>337048957
>pyro is Bane
>>337064325
>I assure you will still go faster backwards or sideways than forwards.
Stop pulling shit out of your ass and fuck off.
https://wiki.sourceruns.org/wiki/Accelerated_Back_Hopping
>>337064743
No, in practice you should be playing matchmaking, with friends, or on community servers like every sane person
>have over 950 hours in TF2
>haven't played since mid-last year
Feels good to be free. I enjoyed it during the time I played. Never spent a cent beyond the initial orange box purchase. Pyro used to be my favorite class until it was nerfed hard. Didn't even mind when it was f2p. I just liked playing it.
>>337064775
just move on to overwatch until TF3 comes out.
TF2 is 10 years old now, and while matchmaking seems promising it's just too little too late.
>>337064895
all those mentioned are very common in matchmaking and community servers. Of course there are containment servers but they leak ALOT
>>337064874
>talking about accellerated back hopping and not rocket jumping faster backwards rather than forwards like the other person was talking about.
nice argument senpai.
Mei is garbage cheese and shouldn't exist. 99% of Mei players are dumb faggots who are more dangerous to their own team with poorly placed fucking walls than to the enemy. There is no other character in the game when played poorly can seriously fuck your whole team over.
No joke probably one mei in thirty is actually a boon to your team, most others just occasionally gank some random poor bastard with her stupid freeze gun or actively hinder your rate of success on a map.
>>337065021
>TF3 actually coming out
>>337065021
goddamn I'm itching for a TF3
imagine all the juicy mechanics they could add
like a weapon loadout system that's not slapped-on garbage
overwatch is cool but sort of a leap to the side at best
Valve abandoned TF2
Blizzard, while evil, releases a polished,fungame that they will obviously keep supporting with updates since WoW and hots will die out soon
Gotta fill the void somehow
>>337065373
unlikely, but not impossible.
i guess they could just keep updating TF2 forever.
but again, just play overwatch until a new even better game scratches that Class based casual shooter itch.
>>337035139
tf2: shit that never happens except demos and showoff videos
ow: shit that you actually need to do in game to move around
>>337065549
Do you think OW can support a healthy update schedule on hat cash and new purchases?
>>337038560
>counter strike
>rng
wew lad
>>337065186
Do you have any source for any of that bullshit you're shoveling because I had no issues jumping from the same 2 spots no matter which way I was facing.
>>337065716
new maps and heroes have been confirmed free.
you can probably buy lootboxes once the game releases, but you also get those by leveling up so it's for those rich oil shiek sons who have money and no patience.
there is a possibility for premium skins/sprays/emotes but all the unlockable stuff right now already looks really good.
hell even Diablo 3 keeps getting free updates and new seasons with new items and areas, and they don't get any money off of that except for the inital purchase.
Overwatch will probably sell a shitton since its also on consoles, so they will pump out content regularly.
>>337057576
The constant comparison between Overwatch and TF2 comes from Overwatch being similar enough to TF2 that they fill the same niche. The characters and their abilities are reminiscent of ASSFAGGOTS, but they lack a lot of lasting impact that ASSFAGGOTS gain from matches being long, protracted battles in a lane and complex interactions between ally and enemy abilities during teamfights. You can switch on the fly so composition isn't as important. On the polar opposite of the spectrum is TF2, where the fewer classes mean they could give each individual class more depth mechanically because they weren't worried about running out of gameplay mechanics to distribute. Teams are larger (excluding 6v6 comp TF2 I guess) and you don't have to worry too much about team comp because the greater team size can compensate for a few too many of a class, unless you have something like 8 snipers.
So it has the super-specialized character roster like a Dota or LoL but in cramped maps sometimes smaller than TF2. Because they're overspecialized, there are near-direct counters but players can switch between them after each death. So the depth that could come from carefully picking your team's roster is instead reduced to picking a good counter to whatever the enemy just switched to counter your team.
I'm not adequately articulating the feeling about this game I have, but to tl;dr it feels like it's caught between the casual class-based arena/arcade shooter and competitive character/comp dependent tactical MOBA and it lacks its own identity when it SHOULD take some compatible elements from both and then carve out a third, unique direction to take the game.
It's fun but I have my doubts about how long it will last.
>>337038442
starcraft 2
that was easy
>>337039145
>valve
>making game 3
>>337065712
>shit that never happens except demos and showoff videos
>nobody ever needs to jump from forward spawn to spire
>>337065234
Pretty much.
>tfw semi competent Mei player
>many games spent freezing and harassing enemies
>actually getting to be crack icicle shot at range
>blocking enemy ults with wall to save people
>wall to give opponents no option to back up or cutting their healer off
>walls to funnel or block enemies on capture point
Then
>see random pick Mei so I switch to Pharah to help offense
>runs around trying to freeze everyone, getting fucked since it takes a bit and he's running at groups of two
>pops walls blocking our kills
>another guy picks mei
>wall blocks our mccree's ult
>fucking wall blocks our junkrats tire
>puts a wall at our fucking back when the enemy is rushing from the front
Goddamn.
>>337066118
yeah fair enough point about the diablo thing I guess
it might be a disaster of a game but they seem to be cranking out updates at a decent pace and quality
and it seems like a b-team effort still, overwatch is probably more of a priority
I really want those updates because the assfaggots character roster model is really asking for more heroes, I mean there's not even any invisible guys yet
>>337038442
?
Starcraft 2 is easily more "hardcore" then any moba could ever be.
>>337066732
i never liked invisible dudes, but yea, they will probably add something like that.
i really want a character with a flamethrower.
>>337037480
it sounds like you could have stayed in the first game if you didn't find the need to be an asshole in chat
problem solved
>>337066906
yeah that too
that hazmat suit guy seems like he has a lot of potential as well, poison characters are always fun
>>337056453
this
I remember I wanted to give them some money because I was having so much fun with the game
the lowest option was $9.99 to buy currency to buy guns / classes
What a bad plan they had
>>337066987
"Friendly" is an euphemism for some sort of retarded roleplaying done by autistic children in TF2 servers rather than playing the game as it was meant to be played
>>337066563
Every. Fucking. Time.
>>337035139
The funny thing is you spent more time making this webm than most people have spent playing TF2 since Overwatch's open beta was announced.
>>337064743
not that this would surprise anyone, but the worst time I've had with tf2 is on /v/ servers long before it went F2P
you might just hate the playerbase in general
>>337067705
I always remember the playerbase being shit
f2p update only brought in more players
Does Overwatch even have rollouts?
>>337068028
2009
>join same server every day
>nice people talking having a good time
>great map rotation
2016
>matchmaking for official server
>either noone talking or kids complaining/yelling
>no more gay porn custom sprays
>server browser
>only full servers have 24/7 same map and premium shit
>rest of the servers are dead
>not interested in Coop
>matchmaking still in Beta
it's sad.
>>337068283
as in rocketjumping to a med pack near the objective as fast as possible? yes, kinda the rocketlauncher ladys rocketjumps aren't quite as fast, at least i haven't figured it out yet to get the highest speed.
i wish i could git gud at rocket jumping in tf2. i can just do the boring rocket jumps to get a bit of mobility and a better angle on the enemy, but stuff like in op is tough for me.
fucking muselk makes it look so easy
>>337068283
Lucio makes everyone run at light speed so there's no real reason to explosive jump on koth maps
>>337035139
how can you be fags be serious when you say TF2 is fun or good? This Webm just shows what a broken piece of shit it is
>>337068550
This.
TF2 was great because of the unofficial servers. Good admins and small, but dedicated, communities really made the game something special to play.
I never liked the idea of matchmaking and I've always seen it as the primary instigator of poor attitudes and lack of community.
>>337068283
No, because most teams have a Lucio that'll boost 'em to the front lines.
Otherwise you have Winston which has his jump pack skill, Tracers with their dash, Mercy with the ability to fly to any person she's healing, and Widowmaker with her grappling hook.
Only ones really fucked are McRee and Zarya.
>>337068672
Practice makes perfect anon. If you really wanted to get good, I would say first learn to pogo. Then maybe practice stringing a rocket jump and pogo together. Then pick a map and learn the rollout for it.
Gullywash has a really easy rollout to learn, same with Badlands and Granary. Process is also fun to learn but tricky to pull off, it can take a lot of practice to get right.
>>337036367
We'll see where Overwatch is 10 years from now.
>>337035139
>tf2? COMPETATIVE?!?! HAH! Don't make me laugh
>Overwatch? COMPETATIVE?!?! HAH! Don't make me laugh, tf2 is the true pro game
>>337056812
It's Blizzard. They've got brand name power so I'm sure Overwatch will survive.
>Overwatch people say it's not shallow and some even call it complex
>Best Support in the game is Lucio
>Automatic AoE healing / movement buff
>E command literally only buffs the AoE healing / movement for 3 seconds on a long CD
>Ultimate is a AoE Shield / Overheal that requires no aiming
Fuck off with your bullshit, the game's best Support literally stands around his team to help them.
>>337070770
again, easy to learn hard to master
>have to do damage and headshot with his projectile blaster
>push people off the map with RMB
>know when to speed buff / heal buff wich requires a lot of teamcoordination
>Jet set radio the living shit out of the map gaining good positions and being hard to hit by the enemies.
>>337071251
Nigger a Medic in TF2 healing a group of people on fire, all of whom will die without proper healing, is literally harder than anything a Lucio will do over an entire match.
>>337055535
No
In TF2 you can change the direction of your momentum in midair without losing any speed (even 180 degrees)
In Overwatch you have to OVERCOME your current momentum to change directions in midair
Very different shit
>>337053975
>OW allows a max of 6 players on each team so you don't have the same freedom to dick around like you can in a 24 player TF2 server.
And yet I always end up on teams that dick around anyway with 3 tracers.
>>337049498
>im just so fucking good
me too! i do this all the time! in my opinion, 60,000 players isnt dead
fucking stupid. literally every game has someone so good they can do that, so i guess every god damn game is dead, huh
>>337035139
Slow gameplay is good for console ( destiny)
>>337056286
>shoot floor near scout
>dead scout
gg
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>>337037480
this has actually never happened to me
ACTIONS:
>jump into water
>remove lifevest
>move under wall before falling out of map
>equip lifevest and hit wall, bouncing off at extreme speed
>unequip, equip then unequip again to launch yourself out of the water
>pull out your sword as you fly towards the enemy base like a ballistic missile
>>337038560
>rng
yep that's bait
>you like tf2 and ow
>>337035139
OW > TF2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ngg91erytw
wew, this isnt the rainbow six thread
