The great debate.
One is better dumbass, there is no debate because there is no argument to be made
What debate? The first one is better.
>>336987793
I haven't played either, can I shitpost anyway?
One is better
>>336987793
It's been said many times.
First has story and better characters
Second has better humor and gameplay
Gameplay wise the 2nd is just superior. The story is better in the first one, but I hate that 90% of time game your team is just them 3 plus Keisuke/Midoriand FUCK Yuzu with her 3 movement and bitchies and I JUST WANT TO GO HOME .
>>336987793
First DeSu. DeSu 2 sucks dick.
>>336987793
Two has better girls
who 40 Magic here?
>>336988164
H O L Y D A N C E
>>336987793
DeSu 1 doesn't have Fumi. That's about the only drawback.
>>336988164
>>336988118
How's 2 different from 1 gameplay wise? I only played 1.
>>336988273
Right.
I fucking love the Evangelion candy angels.
The first time playing it was so surreal.
I wish they'd make more of those types of designs.
There's just something about all the septentrions that's so pleasing to the eye.
Also their music is exquisite.
>>336987793
>1
>better characters, better story, Overclocked makes the gameplay serviceable if not decent
>2
>marginally better gameplay
>fucking awful characters
>literal NGE ripoff for a story
>break record only makes that fucking worse with the homolust
2 has better girls, 1 has better everything else
>>336987793
2 has better designed levels and graphics while 1 was superior in every other way.
>>336988273
Pretty much this.
And I started with 2.
>>336988164
I'm fond of Drain on everything+repel physical so that enemies can't fight back. Even most bosses too.
>>336988319
It's more dynamic.
I haven't played overclock but deamon race specific skills evolve into really overpowered skills that just changes the balance of everything at the halfway point.
But mostly I think it has to do with the UI and sound effects, everything just feels so right and feels like your doing damage.
>>336987793
Both are equally good.
I'm probably one of the few people who likes two more. I think the cast is better compared to 1 which only had a few good characters and I really like the soundtrack as well.
>>336988584
Best girl
>>336988405
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>>336988743
Literally only good for her tits, worst character gameplay and story wise.
>>336988743
Decent.
Cloaca.
The first game had better homolust desu
>>336987793
I liked them both. >>336988085 sums it up for me, which is why I preferred the second.
>>336988853
So that make it inferior.
>>336988853
I kinda hated how they handled the mythology in DeSu
>Cain killed Abel because he hated being second best
>now he's just fine with it
Abel > Bunny faggot
>Before the redux games on 3DS.
DeSu1 had the better story, characters and music, gameplay was a tie.
>Overclocked vs. Break Record.
DeSu 1 has the better story, characters, music, gameplay, VA and bonus content.
>>336988273
Agreed.
>>336989072
>b-but my autism memes!
Now that Break Record is out can we get Devil Survivor 3 already?
>>336988948
biblical incest >>>> cheap kaworu clone and yandere yamashit
>>336987793
1
>Better story
>Better characters
2
>Better gameplay
>Betterwaifus
>>336988974
One thing that really annoyed me is how they took Baldr, which has nothing to do with Mesopotamian mythology as far as I know and changed his name to Beldr to cram in another Bel.
Why couldn't we have gotten Ba'al instead? That makes so much more sense.
>>336989446
So you're saying there's literally no reason to play the first.
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>>336989409
>>336989394
Maybe we'll see something after persona 5 and finial
>>336989394
I don't think Atlus has it in them anymore.
The PS2 and DS was their prime.
After Index and Sega stepped in they've only been churning out mediocre titles.
>>336987793
How would the groups fare in the other's story? Would Bunny be able to figure out what's going on in the lockdown?
>>336989494
Ba'al is in there he's just mixed in the katamari.
Also did Kaneko draw the demons for Devil Survivor? Was that the last thing he worked on?
>Neko-kun > Usagi-kun
>Atsuro >>> Daichi
>Yuzu <<< Io
>Naoya > Yamato (they're both shitters, but at least Naoya had your best interest in mind)
>Amane < Fumi
>Izuna < Makoto
>Midori = Airi (They're both shit)
>Haru >>> Hinako
>Kaido >>> Keita
>Keisuke = Jungo
>Mari = Otome
>Gin >>> Joe
>Honda < Ronaldo
>Loki = Saiduq
>>336989528
What games have they made since then? I count:
Catherine
SMT IV
SMT IV FINAL
Persona Q and various Persona spinoffs
Various Etrian Odyssey games
>>336989632
>>Atsuro >>> Daichi
(lol
Daichi at least did more than suck your dick or be afraid of you.
>>336989707
They don't hold a candle to the ps2 era.
>>336989621
They're his old designs yes, but he hasn't really been credited since smt4's story premise.
He still works there but I think his role these days is one of management rather creative process.
>>336989394
Atlus hasn't even made any spinoff titles for SMT since Soul Hackers and that was 4 years ago. Now that P5 is nearly done and SMT IV Final already came out, it's either a new mainline or some new thingor more Persona
>>336989794
Well of course, but that's fewer games. Cut out the spinoffs and all you have is Catherine, one SMT game and its Etrian Odyssey.
Persona 5 looks better than previous games so there's clearly still talent there.
>>336989632
>Keisuke = Jungo
What the fucking fuck. Jungo was the coolest motherfucker in the whole game.
>>336989632
>Hinako
>Worse than Haru
>SIGNIFICANTLY worse than Haru
End yourself. The rest of your tastes were shit too, but this is inconceivably poor.
>>336989927
I don't see them shitting out Persona 6 any time soon. I think the Persona team will make a new game after Persona 5, either a new Megaten RPG or some crazy game like Catherine. I'm hoping for either a new mainline game that takes the kinds of risks and changes Nocturne took, or a new more traditional RPG like the DDS games.
>>336990046
What part of P5 looks good?
Are you even an avid SMT fan?
Just look at these semen angels.
>>336987793
Haven't played these
Should I?
>>336990223
Stop reading this thread and go play Overclocked. Now.
>There will never be a megaten spinoff as cool and different as DDS and Raidou again
>>336990223
They're both fun games, but difficulty basically comes down to being sniped across the map by bosses using almighty attacks
>>336990151
I don't know. I feel like they'll make Persona 6 before the current gen ends. I would like a console mainline SMT though.
I think Joe is more autistic than bunny.
I mean just look at his first screentime.
>>336990389
They shat out P4 so quickly because P3 released just as the console generation was ending. P4 came out in 2008. That's the year MGS4 came out on PS3. The system was already dead at the time. They needed to get some last value out of the PS2, its assets and its engine. We're only three years into this generation and they are longer now.
>>336990223
Wait for DeSu 1 sale.
>>336990402RAINBOWWWWWWW.
>Have black frost in my party for the last boss
>Beat phase one
>Says he haves to leave
>Only have three people now
I loved that fucker but I wiah they let you replace him with someone else when he left
>>336990336
>There will never be a HD remake of Nocturne with more Magatama, demons and extra endings
>There will never be a HD Remake of Raidous' games or DDS
>>336990336
It occurs to me that KOWASHITAI had more effort put into it than any megaten game since the PS2 games.
>>336987793
I prefer 2 to 1. There's just something about it besides the girls and gameplay that seal it in for me. The whole package just feels more... fun? Not sure how to describe it.
>>336990597
>>336990597
Probably because it was funded by Nintendo.
>>336990336
I really need to get around to finishing DDS2 one of these days. I've played and replayed DDS1 a good four times, took the time to beat Demifiend in two of them.
When I get tothe Sunin DDS2 all of the fun just drains out for me entirely.I hate losing party members. I realize Seraph is a combination of Serph and Sera, so it's not really losing one, but still.It's a complete killjoy to me to the point that the game becomes literally unplayable.
>>336987793
2 doesn't really do much for me. Everyone's a walking caricature, and none of them seem to really fit into the setting except Daichi, since he really seems to be the only one regularly bothered by the current events of the world. A couple of other characters seem to have some personal demons, but it really doesn't feel relevant to them in the grand scheme.
I never got around to Overclocked and 1 is a mixed bag in it's own way but I definitely don't see how you can pine 2 over it. Especially considering 2's system was more or less Overclocked.
>>336987793
1 is only slightly weaker in gameplay and has a less interesting protagonist. Other than that, it blows 2 out of the fucking water in virtually every other category.
>>336990751
Who plays to the last few hours of a game and then gives up?
>>336990597
>Implying they didn't pull a Gearbox.
>Implying they didn't funnel Nintendo's money into Persona 5 development.
>Implying they didn't whore out #FE to shill Avex talent.
>>336990751
The sun is like the shortest segment in the game dude...
Also the mecha tounge sword avatar form is dope how are you not having fun?!
>>336990782
Not him but The Sun is a fucking slog
Those Cu Chullains are no joke
>>336990751
How did you even get through the game at all? You spend most of it missing party members
>>336990842
Colonial Marines was a complete piece of shit. Kowashitai is a technically decent to good JRPG, with all new assets and more work and effort put into it than a 3DS RPG. it's just that the premise is awful.
>>336990875
Yeah, but they only show up for the first section of the dungeon, and very infrequently in the last. There are six sections.
>>336990932
Its core gameplay isn't even that good. It plays like Strange Journey but worse, with most any attack you choose leading to auto-attacks from every else so you basically just watching shit happen 90% of the time.
Then they didn't even spend time optimizing the game for the Wii U because EVERY SINGLE BATTLE takes nearly ten seconds to load on the physical version. Hell even the menus have loading segments.
>>336990597
Co-funded. SMT4 had lots of hype and marketing for it, but yes since the ps2 games after Index acquired them their expenditures basically plummeted since Index was committing fraud using Atlus products to help pay their debts.
>>336990842
Index is the gearbox. Atlus of a arcsys/capcom of rpgs. enhanced editions everywhere on everything they can afford
>>336991119
I suppose. What do you mean about the Avex thing? I don't know anything about idols and whatnot.
>>336991128
I had heard about the Index thing, do you know anything more about it?
>>336990152
Not him but It has guns. Nuclear and Nerve are back. 3D demons in HD. No "1 More" system after weakness/critical hits. Of course it's a completely different tone compared to SMT, but it's looking pretty good. Don't know if there's demon negotiations though.
>>336990751
I also stopped playing DDS2, but for me it was just that the plot stopped making sense and the world stopped being interesting
I was really drawn to the "trapped in a computer" theme of 1. Who put us here? Why? Why can no one remember anything? Why does everyone call me Leader?
Then in 2 it feels like they lost all that sense of mystery and wonderment, and just started jacking off to futa
>>336989615
He would, but he'd be really autistic about it. Then make some joke about how Beldr gets his shit kicked in by a fucking phone charm or something.
>>336990782
Described why I didn't like it. I've started up DDS2 as many times as I have DDS1 too.
>>336990859
No clue how short or long it is. I stopped playing pretty much as soon as my characters got there each time. My heart just wasn't in it anymore.
>>336990895
Probably a good part of the reason. My party is preferably Serph/Argilla/Gale.Gale was a constant at least, so that was nice. Having my team shuffled around repeatedly, andthen completely losing Serph, in a short period of time was just too much for me each time.
>>336991236
The second was a little bit more unusual than the first story wise for sure. Maybe that contributed as well.
>>336991236
I really liked the plot of DDS2. It's completely different from how the first game was but no game has given me that caliber of feels before.
I bought Devil Survivor 1 and 2 for 3DS last year. Almost finished DS1 but those last levels are so goddamn hard
Is the second part easier?
DDS2 endgame was just too boring, I never beat Satan.
>>336989632
>>Naoya > Yamato (they're both shitters, but at least Naoya had your best interest in mind)
Fuck you they are both great
>>336987793
Haven't played either one. But the chick in the pink is giving me a boner
>>336991459
At least you don't have to do to new game plus to fight him
>>336991330
>I ran Serph/Argilla/Roland
>>336991452
They're about the same but I would say 2 has a harder final boss
>>336991459
>You will never hold Alice's hand and take her for a walk
>>336991452
2 is much easier overall. Most of the mission variety is removed so you just gotta focus on killing shit. Some of the bosses through some gimmicks at you but nothing near the level of "Only one character can damage the boss" like DeSu1.
>>336991119
It's gameplay is fine. Maybe not the best, but neither is Strange Journey. I think it's a better press turn system than Strange Journey used for sure. You're right about the other thing, but considering it's a Wii U game and nightmare of development it's gone through, it was basically guarantee to have problems somewhere.
>>336991595
How do I git gud at those games though? I really can't be bothered hacking all moves from enemies, that shit is just tedious imo. Same for merging the demons, after a while it just get's boring.
>>336991634
>>336991552
That is indeed a remarkably painful party from a story perspective.
I never finished Nocturne
Did Dante have a good reason for being there? At the end of the world? When everyone not in the Hospital just up and died?
>>336991229
I hope they use Devil Summoner Garuda and not SMT1 Garuda.
But still I don't want to go through that high-school crap just to see deamons in a slightly new coat of paint with shiny shading.
I want a story about demons fucking up society in 3D
>>336991662
>It's a 'protect the civilians who are halfway across the map from the highly mobile demons' mission
Mothman endured.
>>336991693
You have to fuse all the time and take advantage of race abilities
It's really easy to fuse broken demons in 2 because of the skill sets or whatever they're called
>>336991685
Press Turn specifically describes the type of battle system used in things like Nocturne, IV, and DDS
It's not a fucking umbrella term for all SMT combat systems
>>336991838
>Fight starts
>Demon crits civilian on either far left or right before you're even anywhere near the enemy
>GAME OVER
>First time doing the mission with first Bel
>He shows up and automatically does his AoE, killing a civillian
>GAME OVER
This is fine.
>>336991838
What is flight, devil speed, switch, bind, evil wave, etc. Seriously, the game throws multiple solutions at you and you probably chose to ignore them
>>336991206
Avex is one of the biggest companies handling music in Japan, and he's basically saying the joint venture between the 3 groups is a suspicion some people have where Atlus and Nintendo overextended their budget and turned to a third party for funding, namely Avex which would explain a lot why the game became what it is.
As for index, here's an overview of how much shit atlus has gone through from companies; http://www.siliconera.com/2014/02/18/atlus-index-back-atlus/
>>336988974
He's had a lot of time to cool off his grudge. Being reincarnated as a Japanese anime man probably calmed him down a bit too
>>336991762
>>336991330
I also felt like there wasn't a good enough explanation for WHY people died
Looking over the screenshots I took of the game reminds me of all the questions I had just before I stopped playing
Roland died because he needed to blow the core, but then he didn't blow the core and his death was for nothing
Serph died to stop Heat I thought, by pulling both of them into the pulsating avacado. But then Heat shows up again.
It was like, why are we even trying?
>>336991838
Didn't atsuro mention the COMPS have a harmonizor? It protects people without comps.
However powerful you are is how much defense they have.
So it IS your fault.
>>336991723
>>336991881
I can't be bothered fusing every single time after each battle. Is it the same in DS2?
>>336991902
Literally every system since Nocturne has carried to spirit of the press turn system in it's game-play design, and SJ and #FE are no exceptions. No they aren't specifically one to one's with Nocturne's, but it's kind of silly to imply SJ's "hit weakness for a party follow up" doesn't invoke the system.
>>336992173
>Anime did so bad that the manga got cancelled
ITS
NOT
FAIR
>>336987793
I'd probably give it to 2.
1 definitely had a way better setting/atmosphere and better individual characters, but coupled with "inferior" gameplay and an overall weaker general cast it doesn't hold up that well.
2, while having a more "tropey" cast, definitely has a better general one, although it's pretty clear the characters controlled the atmosphere unlike the first one where it was the other way around, and why it was so fucking light for the most part. But I ended up liking a lot more characters in 2 compared to 1 because of it, even if only a few of them really stand out, and ended up enjoying 2 more.
They also bothered to give you access to all of them about halfway through instead of limiting the party to a minimum of 3 and at least a max of 5 until the fucking decision/route splits so I think this also helped.
Also, the refined gameplay actually goes a long way.
>>336992081
Roland and Argilla both sacrificed themselves to kill Meganada didn't they?
I agree that Serph's death was pretty weird though, made for a cool reveal scene at least
>>336992081
>Roland died because he needed to blow the core, but then he didn't blow the core and his death was for nothing
You can see that right after Argilla charges Meganada, the camera switches to the control room beeping and then the reactor surging with energy. So Roland was sitting there waiting for the thing ready to be blown, and Meganada got to him before it was ready.
>>336992242
Depends.
If you play it smart, one demon can carry you for 10 levels but then you can't even fuse them, because they fuse into something of their base level.
>>336992242
Well that's kind of one of the main draws of SMT in general
If you don't like fusing maybe SMT isn't for you
It's even way easier to fuse good demons in devil survivor compared to Nocturne or Persona
>>336992245
Getting more turns by hitting weaknesses is the fucking defining feature of press turn
Doing more damage by hitting weaknesses isn't the same thing in the least, it's what every fucking game with weaknesses does
>>336992306
I wouldn't even know what it was if I didn't Google it. I just found the scene amusing in gif format.
Alice could cover one of their heads. Who would be the other girl, and who would be the guy they're talking to?
>>336991229
Those are litterally the same models since FUCKING SMT NINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have the same poses.
They have the same textures.
They just made them shinier.
WHAT THE FUCK?!
>>336992451
Yes yes, but SJ's system specifically has a party follow up, IE more turns. It's definitely trying to invoke the press turn system without actually reusing it.
>>336992675
It isn't more turns though...
A turn is when you choose an attack or skill or use an item etc.
Doing shit extra damage isn't a turn
>>336987793
Two is better. Better characters, and therefore, better waifus.
>>336992675
Doing a bit of extra damage is nowhere near an extra turn. It can add up if everyone is exploiting weaknesses, but sometimes your better off forgoing demons of the same alignment because usually there's always a better one from a different alignment.
>>336992568
Valkyrie didn't have that horse armor before.
https://youtu.be/6CaowFspzm8
Name a better track
You can't
>>336991831
Just hope for SMT V for PS4. I could never finish Persona 3 cause I hated Tartarus and the boring battle system. The pacing was just shit too. I stopped at the third full moon. Don't even want to try 4. I'm pretty optimistic about 5 though. Even if there is school shit everything else is interesting enough.
KANEKO COME BACK
YOU CAN BLAME IT ALL ON ME
>>336992754
>>336992943
Now you're just splitting hairs. I never said it was a one to one comparison but you're fucking delusional if you seriously can't accept "same alignment party members do a follow up almighty attack" doesn't have the spirit of press turn in it's design. No it isn't vital the game either, but not every game pays a huge emphasis it.
>>336993024
Does it matter? the music in devil survivor games are so fucking compressed you can't even fucking hear them. I wasn't even aware this was a track in overclocked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbnGWqYCB9s
>>336992959
also that guy doesn't know what he's talking about, NINE looked like ass warmed over
>>336993152
>the spirit of press turn
So we can agree it's not press turn.
Great.
>>336993024
>Name a better track
I'll name four.
https://youtu.be/CNxw2cj_QAQ
https://youtu.be/Zyu-BSdma3g
https://youtu.be/mPqancUsgVw
https://youtu.be/Ksbuk1evudo
And the special arrangements blow it out of the water, too.
>>336993024
yeah the one you posted it the best, along with Garuda
This one has a special place because you hear it so often though, also the lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSJNUugsq3A&index=10
ACCEPT YOUR MIGHT
YOU ARE KILLING
we Mortal kombat now
>>336987793
One by far I couldn't even bother to finish the second and the characters were far superior in the first game to boot.Devil Survivor 3 when??
The second one is the superior game just because of that OST. The soundtrack is absolutely perfect. DS1's is really hit and miss. Also 2 had a really long, decent ending chapter on the 3DS. Makes 1's look really shitty by comparison.
>>336993271
Has inclinations of the system though~
>>336993148
Only if he's doing the demons. Doi humans > Kaneko humans.
>>336993494
But it doesn't
A followup of bonus damage is nowhere near the same as getting to perform extra actions
>>336988974
It's explained in-game, on Amane's 8th Day. It's heavily implied that God manipulated Cain to purposefully have him murder Abel.
By doing so he creates the first martyr, the first murderer, and is able to send Abel's soul to the underworld, where it can absorb some of the power of Bel and thus place him in contention for the Throne of Bel. This way God believes he can gain control over all of the demons as well, because he's under the assumption Abel will play the role of the good son and become his Messiah.
Naoya realized this and twisted his scenario by aspiring to make Abel into the King of Bel and have him lead the charge against both Heaven and God himself.
>>336989752
Atsuro is the true hero of DeSu. The rest of the party wouldn't have survived a day without him.
>>336993525
I really like kaneko's plastic eyeliner creeps, though
>>336987793
Why is Devil Survivor 2 even a thing
>Devil Survivor 1
>you're actually trying to survive for like a week with no way out
>Main character is the reincarnation of Abel
>can become the king of Bel
>however an entire route is dedicated to Yuzu who is an even worse slut than Yukari
>Devil Survivor 2
>you're not really trying to survive or whatever you can go wherever the fuck you want
>is this Evangelion
>i'm pretty sure it's Evangelion
>Main character is what now
>better tits tho
>>336987793
DeSu is better in atmosphere, characters, plot and music.
DeSu 2 has better gameplay, though the difference in negligible when you're talking about the Overclocked versions.
I can't stand the awkwardly peppy Persona 4 feeling of DeSu 2 despite the fact that it's life and death around them.
>>336993530
But it does, you just don't want to admit it since it's not as strong. It's not just extra damage, it's extra damage and a team follow up. If it wasn't trying to invoke the press turn system, it would just be extra damage and your team comp would not matter at all.
>>336987793
Atsuro is the most fuckable, if that's what you're asking.
>>336993667
Personafags were complaining there weren't enough anime tropes and WHACKY moments
Which is weird because DeSu1 had a character that was literally an anime
>>336993319
>>336993309
I think DeSu1 has the superior battle themes and the "shit just got real" scenes. That fusion music for 2 is fucking amazing though
>>336993724
Your team comp doesn't matter at all for press turn though
>>336993667
>>>you're actually trying to survive for like a week with no way out
This is what I loved so much about DS1. That premise gave me a vested interest in what was going on. It's so simple yet so effective. Even without the death clocks it would've still been great, but they pushed it over into flawless.
>>336993804
invoke =/= exactly the same thing
Also it does in relation to your own weakness and avoiding extra turns, or in SJ's case avoiding extra damage but okay.
>>336988974
God wanted a blood sacrifice. I was a farmer. YOU CAN'T GET BLOOD FROM PLANTS!
>>336993667
>>you're actually trying to survive for like a week with no way out
There is a way out and it's actually quite easy. It's just that doing so before the game decides you can gets everyone fucking massacred by God's Thunder. Theoretically the party could break through the SDF and the angels at pretty much any time after about the third or fourth day. They don't because story-reasons, but that doesn't mean they couldn't.
>>336993795
DeSu1's battle music was terrible. It just sounds like a low-budget version of Persona.
>>336993737
>Personafags
You mean P4fags. P2 and P3 had a tone more in sync with mainline SMT (I never played the first Purse Owner).
P4 is the root of all evil. It's where normalfags start drolling on about how Chie is their waifu, where everything is wacky scooby doo antics and power of friendship.
>>336993942
Naoya did nothing wrong and it really was all God's fault in Overclocked. No idea why they bothered to try and show Him as benevolent when they were just going to double back and go "Nah just kidding, it's all His fucking plan."
>>336991229
>Nuclear
HOLY FUCK ARE THEY BRINGING BACK P1 SHIT? I WANT MY 50 FUCKING BULLSHIT STATUS EFFECTS AGAIN
>>336994002
I dunno it reminds me more of smt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXjOs8gjOjQ
doesnt really sound like "BABYBABYBABY" or "FACE UP AND HOLD UP" pop
Also Garudo was hands down the best song across both games.
>>336994147
>Garudo
Garuda. It's late.
>>336994023
When I first heard about p4 I just wanted another p3 without the more ass mechanics of tartarus. Instead we got a personality shift even further in goofy antics.
>>336994002
Which persona are we talking about here, because it's not even close to modern persona
>>336993995
Not the point though
In Devil Survivor 1 you actually do what the title suggests and survive without food and power in a pre-apocalyptic setting.
In Devil Survivor 2 you're more like a fucking anime deployment team sent out to fight the giant fucking icecream cone doing whatever the fuck while making dumb random quips because this totally isn't eva
>>336994113
The music when you actually initiate an attack is good and sounds like SMT, but the music when you're on the field and moving characters is really different.
>>336987793
gameplay
2>1
pacing, story telling
1>2
plot
2>1
>Persona = bad
Admit it, even if you dislike P3/P4 for their substance, you can't say they're legitimately bad games. There isn't a bad SMT game, whether it be spin-off or mainline. Weaker entries, sure. But not bad.
>>336992173
>>336994224
yeah I think Aliens have no place in smt with demons and angels AND Machines already.
If they want to make it work, then it should be really subtle like it it in Bloodborne for example.
>>336993667
>you're not really trying to survive or whatever you can go wherever the fuck you want
The universe being erased kinda limits where you can go.
>>336993942
Shoulda raised carnivorous plants, dumbass.
>>336987793
DeSu OC > DeSu2 RB > DeSu2 > DeSu
>>336994283
Sorry, I'm not really hearing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjfo_AuGEFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUQh-3jwc10
>>336993795
>I think DeSu1 has the superior battle themes
I disagree completely, anon. Garuda and Deep Night were great, but DeSu2 had:
https://youtu.be/V5UlvQSexBs
https://youtu.be/Ez8ABOBip78
https://youtu.be/3qfSz2nqAww
I prefer DeSu2's melodical style, though; I'm completely biased.
>>336993642
I think it only works well with demi-fiend and in general males. I know it's his style but it's not exactly appealing. Sera and Chiaki for instance. His demons can't be beaten though. What is he even up to these days?
>>336991383
when they got to the final dungeon I basically didn't stop jizzing. I even did all the grinding needed to get the unique almight spells because I wanted the final boss fight to be just perfect, like the game deserved
i can't really say one is better than the other i like them equally both have good characters and i loved the gameplay
i like 1 because all the routeas are great and i love 2 because it is the only game that lets me say all the autistic stuff i want
in the end the only thing that matters is that both of them are way better than persona 3 and 4
I liked DS1 and Persona 4, so which SMT game should I try next?
Not trying DS2 and I'll get to Persona 3 eventually.
>>336994315
It's a stupid thing that people always say, they aren't bad games but they do have a radically different philosophy from other SMT games.
>>336993667
I feel like the anime is the true source material for DeSu 2.
>>336994224
I like that about 2. It felt like a breath of fresh air after fighting Christian/Judaist deities like in five games.
And the routes are different and far more interesting IMO.
>>336994547
If you can deal with a dated game, play Soul Hackers
>>336994315
>dumbed down SMT gameplay, and P4 somehow makes it even worse
>shitty, randomly generated dungeons, that once again, P4 makes even worse
>hours and hours of dialogue and a shitty half assed social sim, just for you to get an hour of dungeon crawling in between. You are forced to do s. links because the strength of your persona depends on them if you don't want to spend time grinding, yet they have ZERO impact on the story
>>336988164
Drain + Holy dance
Literally unstoppable
>>336994419
DeSu 2 had great field themes, but I didn't like the normal battle theme, which is really important since you hear it so fucking much.
The optional boss theme was really good, but there were way too few of those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ysxjn37JPg
I love Alice but she's no Lucifer. Seriously, beating Luci without Recarm cheese is really fucking hard.
>>336994547
I think the right expression here is "play mainline faggot".
>>336994331
This is fantastic. Thank you Anon.
>>336994687
The fact that you don't like the S.Link mechanic doesn't make it bad. That's as stupid as someone complaining about the dungeons in SMT, as that's clearly the main thing that the game offers.
>>336994419
Io a cute.
I liked bullying her in her Triangulum links.
>>336994224
But they're so tasty looking.
How can you hate them?!
>>336994761
Sure, but which one first?
>>336994868
shut up
>>336994716
Talking about battke themes, have you heard these?
https://youtu.be/5EwKV-xgMSk
https://youtu.be/PmSZ-er5fPg
Vulnerable Threat isn't a battle theme, but it's still great. Triangulum probably has my favorite MegaTen soundtrack, along with IV.
>>336994943
Nah I agree.
They're nowhere near the evil tableware we got in Tri.
>>336987793
Idk who the girl on the left is but my dick has become diamonds. So obviously the first game must be better
Best dere.
You guys should be able to solve this.
>>336994716
That drum is so damn good
>>336995028
Kana Asumi makes her even more best.
>>336994842
>All that character "development" from s. links
>doesn't fucking matter
>I romanced Chie and Yukiko, they're still total cunts in the story cutscenes
>Kanji says he resolved, yet he's still a insecure faggot
What a great main draw.
>>336994547
My favorite is still SJ. Nocturne is great too.
If you want to play IV, I'd wait until Final, the game is pretty broken. Especially early game and smirks.
Other great non-mainline MegaTen (besides DeSu1 that you already played) include P2, P3, PQ and the Raidou games.
>>336995007
fuck you're right
>a palmtree with moon printed leaves
>half an onion with a glass table top
>a fucking grill vent
>>336995130
Even the smarter Personafags don't like that and prefer how 3 did it.
>>336995028
At first glance I thought she was squatting and her hands are on her knees
>>336993667
In the second one you're still survivng, just on a larger scale. You gotta kill the septentrions to survive. Can't run, can't hide.
>>336994869
Take your pick between IV, Nocturne, and SJ. All three are ok starting points, although rather different from each other.
>>336995130
Well, that is a huge flaw, I agree with you. And they do develop, but that's only by the end of the game in Golden.
I was only saying that shitting on S.Links for being a mechaninc that influences your Personas is dumb.
>>336995360
>develop in golden
>revert back in arena
>revert back in Q
What is even canon?
>>336995158
IV and Final are two entirely different games. No real point recommending one over the other.
>>336995464
Golden's epilogue is endgame. Q takes place during the school festival. Arena was the event that took place during Golden Week that was brought up in Golden's epilogue.
>>336995193
DeSu 2's original enemy designs were so shit.
I guess they didn't want anything to do with Judeo-Christian mythos because they wanted to keep it lighthearted. But seriously, MS paint geometric shapes slapped together is so shit.
>>336995464
Q is supposed to take place before their development. I haven't played Arena; same goes for DAN.
>>336995464
>lol everyone forgets everything anyway
Why exactly is Q canon again? What purpose does it serve?
>DeSu1
Better story
>DeSu2
Better literally everything else
>>336995742
Delaying EO V.
>>336995759
DeSu 2 has better music and gamplay. Everything else is shit compared to the first one.
>>336995742
Making it sell more
>>336987793
Second one:
>Best cast
>Best designs
>Best gameplay
>Best expansion
>Best replayability
First one:
>le actualle survivale XD (wait nvm that we're going to get anime demon throne!!)
>le little harder last boss
>le edgy demons of Bel
>le cults
>le Atsuro
So, basically, DeSu2 is overall better. People hating on DeSu2 because of ice-cream ayyylmaos and some animeish plot full of Evangelion, which is silly, but still cool. Game is pure fun, while DeSu1 looks like alpha-version of 2 gameplay-wise, characters in first one are fucking PLAIN (Yuzu is fucking useless whiner, megane-faggot is annoying as fuck, and cosplay grill probably the most garbage character in entire megaten), most of the time they repeating the same lines from day to day (especially Yuzu) while in second game plot actually progresses forward.
>>336997283
I'm amazed you kept writing an entire paragraph after you invalidated your post so thoroughly.
>>336987793
Nothing to debate about two mediocre low budget games.
>>336995123
Good to see another man of fine taste.
>Start Nocturne on hard
>Make it to Ikebukuro and stop because someone at Atlus decided hard mode should triple the store prices
>Thinking about restarting on Normal
>Worried it'll be too easy
This is hell.
>>336995742
It's so when Atlus finally decides to make Door-kun not a door they can reference it with Yu saying "Told you we'd meet again"
I think 2 is honestly massively better in just about every way
The thing that really baffles me is people saying 1 has a better story.
1 is a total retread of the same old law/chaos SMT story you see in every fucking SMT game, at least 2 actually brought some originality to the table.
>>336987793
Not much Debate.
1 Had a better story
2 Had better gameplay
1 Had an absolutely atrociously hilariously laughably bad Newgame+ even in the upgraded version
2 Has a literally autistic character and only a handful of the support cast are decent
1 Has Atsuro
2 Has Joe
They're both good.
>>336997712
>is a total retread of the same old law/chaos SMT story
It is actually bad even on that. Pacing is complete trash and characters are plain as fuck.
I still hope that we could get Devil Survivor 3 for 3DS with Yasuda's art.
>>336997712
>1 is a total retread of the same old law/chaos SMT story you see in every fucking SMT game
Literally all it takes from "every fucking SMT game" is the basic premise and the chaos/neutral/law split (which has a different meaning than in mainline anyway). Everything else is different.
That's ignoring how going "old = bad, new = good" is retarded, especially when your "originality" is fucking Evangelion.
>>336995028
How can DeSu1fags even compete?
>>336998214
Midori, who has the same VA.
>>336998284
in the Japanese or English version?
>>336998356
Japanese.
>>336998284
>Midori
Cmon now man. I love DeSu but nobody in his sane mind can love this piece of idolshit garbage character.
>>336997283
Don't recall this scene in Vanilla Survivor 2
Guess it must be from Overclocked?
>>336987793
Does Devil Survivor 2 actually get interesting later on? The characters aren't so bad, but I got so bored trying to play through the story.
>>336998128Besides Yotsuba, who are the lolis?I can't seem to find anything.
>>336988085
>better humour
Humour doesn't really belong in an apocalyptic setting, especially not when the first DeSu barely contained any and was pretty serious.
>better gameplay
Yes. Factoring DeSu Overclocked into it makes them equally good in terms of gameplay.
>>336998385
Cute enough to rape.
>>336998128
Well the DeSu team finished with #FE a while ago. If there's any chance that's happening it's now.
>>336998414
Its bonus sprites from Record Breaker.
There was a scene in original game, but without actual sprites.
>>336998385
I'm a biased Asumifag, so my opinion was predetermined. I know it's a very narrow-minded way of thinking, but oh well.
>>336998470
I honestly feel she ruined that game
She was so fucking out of place
>>336998449I honestly don't know, I saved the image just because I liked the anime girl version of the picture way better than the original.
>>336998385
>Didn't like her in the original version
>It only gets worse when she gets a voice
She's better than Keisuke, but that's not saying much.
>>336987793
1>2
2 is the cringiest meme shit you can find on the Nintendo handheld. Also worst friend. Worst titty monster. And baby's first Lewis Carroll. It's absolutely shit. Total garbage. Still pretty okay though.
>>336998214
Not possible.
>>336998627
No worries man, I wasn't really expecting someone to tell me anyway.
Here's a whole bunch more from reverse search, if you'd like more anime-like ones though.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/06/10-1/happy-10th-anniversary-4-gaijin-meme
>>336998642
No.
No she's not better than fucking Keisuke.
Both in voice and in character, she is worse in literally both ways.
>>336998962
She's better stat-wise.
