I just finished the first two Doom games on Ultra Violence.
what happens now?
>>336966159
Play on Nightmare you pansy
No Rest for the Living
Final Doom
Doom 64
Quake
>>336966159
Final Doom on Ultra Violence obviouslyhave fun with Plutonia
>>336966232
thisthough i'm playing Doom 2 on Ultra Violence right now
Play Evilution and Plutonia, then Doom 64.
>that one map in No Rest for the Living where none of the linedefs block sounds so as soon as you shoot, every monster in the map is alerted
Talk about artificial difficulty.
>>336966159
Beat the two BTSX map packs.
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/62529-back-to-saturn-x-e1-99i9-plus-new-unheard-midis-on-page-13/
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/69960-back-to-saturn-x-episode-2-public-beta-2-critical-map15-fixes-included/
TNT Evilution
>>336966159
If you used mouselook, you've cheated and must do it again.
Play Doom 3
related
https://youtu.be/HJcf0aOwmiA
>>336966159
Doom 64 (PC port)
TNT
Plutonia
No Rest for the Living
Master Levels for D2
from there you can UV-Max/UV-Min some of the games, play wads, etc.
__________x Sign here to sell your soul to Doom
>>336966159
brutal doom:^)icon of sin is actually much harder in BD than doom 2
>>336967002
Doom 3 is actual shit. Skip it and play RoE instead.
RoE has actual action in it rather than the shitty snorefest of the original Doom 3.
>>336967002
What mod is this
Doom 64. Can play Final Doom too I guess but it's not that good, just get Scythe 2 instead.
>>336967102
IMO play both. But yes, RoE is better. Just don't get BFG RoE, it's terrible.
>>336966159
master levels
final doom
doom 64
go to doomworld and download a billion wads to play
make your own maps
>>336967330
>master levels
why would anyone play that today
>>336967102
>shitty snorefest of the original Doom 3
They are both good games pham, try to keep the autism down to acceptable levels in a Doom thread please
>>336967115
Absolute HD, it's basically a Sikkmod director's cut
Is Final Doom and Master Levels just really hard Doom levels? I've tried playing Final Doom (or I think it's just the "Plutonia Experiment"?) and I dunno, it's not very fun.
>>336967085
Harder doesn't mean better even though playing with Fast Monsters enabled in vanilla doom never gets old.Brutal Doom is absolute shit though.
>>336967383
just because it's official
no rest for he living is good too
Played Doom 3 like 11 years ago, about to download RoE and finally play that.
>>336967439
>They are both good games pham
Sure it is if you like looking for some key hidden somewhere in the shadows for 20+ minutes for every locked door.
>>336967439
That enough screenshots. The only thing that looked remotely impressive was the viewmodel for the shotgun.
>>336967676
>just because it's official
So what, most of those aren't even good.
No Rest For The Living is great, though.
>>336967560
They're fan wadpacks that got id's blessing/support due to their higher-than-usual quality as far as fan projects went, and were combined as a release to make a whole game. I honestly didn't care for either, since the design is too open and mazelike to the point of agitation
>>336967716
>Sure it is if you like looking for some key hidden somewhere in the shadows for 20+ minutes for every locked door
I don't think you played Doom 3, enjoy your autism
>>336966159
>what happens now?
You can now go ahead and play actual games
>>336966927
>dat gifi fucking hate TNT
>>336967002
I actually have Doom 3 on my backlog. Do I go with original or BFG Edition?
>>336967904
>I don't think you played Doom 3
I've beaten Doom 3. It is bad.
>>336967961
I fucking love TNT!
>>336968027
Don't play BFG, play original with some HD mod.
>>336968070
>Sonic
i cant believe anyone is going to play doom 3 in 2016. if it was called "MARS SOLDIER: RECKONING" instead of doom 3 no one would even remember it
Which doom clones are worth playing? I've only played Duke nukem 3d and Dark Forces
>>336968027
ORIGINAL, BFG is casualized and unmoddable, if you have a Rift and wanna see it in VR, I guess it can't hurt, but all of the graphics mods you see only work on vanilla D3
>>336968201
Hexen, Heretic, Blood.
Those are the best in my opinion.
>>336968201
I consider Quake to be more similar to Doom than either of those games
>>336968258
These, Heretic and Blood might be even better than Doom itself, i love those games.
>>336967589
>Harder doesn't mean better
no but the icon of sin fight in vanilla isn't that hard
>Brutal Doom is absolute shit though.
i like the mechanics but the levels weren't very good
>>336968201
Blood
Powerslave
Shadow Warrior
Heretic
Hexen
Rise of the Triad
Quake 1+2
>>336968258
Is Blood a .wad game? Can I play it in ZDOOM?
>>336968201
i've always thought the original quake SP was pretty doom esque, even if the presentation is pretty dry. play it if you dont mind looking at dark and brown for a few hours
>>336968229
>unmoddable
I mean, I agree, but there's an HD mod for it...
>>336968357
fuck I can't wait for kaiser to finish up Blood EX
>>336968417
nah its a build engine game like Douk or Shadow Warrior.
>>336968440
>>336968351
Absolutely play Quake SP. It's great.
>>336968417
no, use dosbox
>>336966159
Plutonia time bitch.
>>336968607
this or just wait for the source port kaiser is making.
Play them again on chocolate doom, if you haven't already. Gz and other source ports are cool, and will become your standard, but you should experience the games as they were.
Then do FD, 64, then play whatever megawad catches your fancy.
>>336968501
>nah its a build engine game like Douk or Shadow Warrior.
And one of the hardest ones to get running on modern machines. There's no real good, universal DOSbox setting for it.
Fuck you, Atari.
>>336967560
Master Levels is a bunch of maps made by notable map developers from back in the day.
Best thing on that disk was actually about 50 or so custom maps they jammed in to take up the rest of the space. some of those were better than the master levels maps themselves.
Half of them aren't very good IMO.
>>336968667
>or just wait for the source port kaiser is making.
>>336968689I genuinely can't stomach OG Doom, zDoom is fucking great but I can't handle full blown original
>>336968667
there is blood cm (remake with eduke)
some blood conversion for doom
blood XL
>>336968713
>hardest ones to get running on modern machines. There's no real good, universal DOSbox setting
works perfectly fine with dosbox unless you're a retard who doesn't know how to use dosbox
>>336967041
>this entire video
you could try wolf3d
>>336968667
Can you really call it a source port when it's being built through reverse engineering?
Can anyone help me with chocolate doom? I download the zip file and extract it to where I have doom and click the launcher. But the game launches at a small resolution (which I expected) but is extremely blurry and shitty looking. Nothing like the chocolate doom screenshots or what I remember of original.
I fucked with the settings too but it didn't help
>>336967041
I just noticed for the first time watching this again that pain elementals pump their arms when moving as though they're walking or something. looks goofy.
>>336968258
Shadow Warrior is also damn good.
I also thought people preferred Hexen over Heretic?
>>336969280
chocolate doom runs the game at the OG doom resolution, which is pretty small and shitty. CD is mainly for elite purists. just download ZDoom and play the wads on that so you can run it at modern resolutions at higher framerates. also mods.
>>336969280
Try Crispy Doom
>>336969280
you can expand the viewing window but it retains the lower resolution, as if it were still running in DOS.
>>336968176
>no one would even remember it
A chunk of D3's wow-factor came from the fact that it gave all of us with a 9700/9800 something to jack our graphical dicks off with while HL2 was on the horizon. Either way, people would remember the engine, even if they chose to remain triggered by the game itself
>>336969280
that's just what it looks like my man
if you want high resolutions use zdoom or something
>>336969532
Yeah sure, Hexen has more variety, but still I would play Heretic and then Hexen, for historical perspective. Also Heretic had Gerald Brom art.
I beat doom and Doom 2 on Nightmare on the xbox 360 versions.
Are those versions easier in any way to the originals or were they the normal experience?
>>336969532
Each has its merits, i prefer Heretic personally for the great level design and ethereal crossbow, still one of my favorite weapons of all time.
>>336969858
they're authentic I'm pretty sure. you should give Doom a whirl playing it on PC with a source port like ZDoom or Zandronum though, much superior experience.
>>336969532
Also playing Hexen in coop multiplayer was so damn fun. You could bully the other classes as the fighter, using the melee punch to throw them into pits.
>>336969858
nope they're pretty faithful to the original
>>336969987
Which one allows me to keep the camera locked so it cant go vertical. That shit gives me an insane headache
ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION
THE ONLY AND BEST WAY TO PLAY THE ORIGINAL DOOMS IS WITH
PRBOOM+
UNLOCKED FRAMERATE
1440p 144 HZ MONITOR
LOCKED UP/DOWN AIM
anything else is PLEB tier.
If
-you can see scorch marks when you shoot a rocket at a wall
-monsters and items are all smooth and filtered
-you can jump AT ALL
YOU ARE PLAYING A PLEB VERSION OF DOOM
seriously 144hz doom on a big screen is the best thing ever
You've got to try it.
>>336970303
any of them. if you use gzdoom just go into the options and turn off always mouselook.
>>336970403
go away sperg
>>336970303
Any of them. If you play with GZDoom, the geometry doesn't get distorted when you look up and down though, since it's a true 3D engine.
>>336970403
>1440p 144 HZ MONITOR
Well, if I had money... Filters are the devil, though.
>>336970403
144hzfag here, can confirm
>>336969769
what the fuck? What kind of fag shit is this? How am i supposed to get off to this?
im always surprised by how fun doom still is when i go back to it. there really aren't a lot of shooters like it, old or modern
>>336970712
It's probably the most well aged FPS of all time.
Top 3 Doom overhaul WADS
RANK EM
NO BRUTAL DOOM FAGGOTS
>>336970403
>playing doom above framecap
>best way
>>336970842
Project Brutality
Brutal Doom: Sperglord Edition
Complex Doom
How do you guys feel about HDoom? Would you fuck an imp girl? How about a cute Cyber-Demon girl? (Pic related)
>>336970403
Now I have to save money to play DOOM at that frame rate.
Thanks anon.
Play H-Doom
>>336970712
And yet /v/ talks shit about Romero because
>Muh Daikatana.
>>336971082
>Project Brutality
Even more sperg than Brutal Doom.
>Complex Doom
Even more pretentious than Brutal Doom.
The only mods worth playing are:
Brutal Doom
Ketchup
Megaman Doom
DoomRL
DoomRPG
That's it. Everything else is a WAD.
I'm just glad people don't even tall about Sameshitsara anymore.
>>336971375
144hz is terrific. not just for doom either, I've been replaying some other more recent games like Dishonored and Alien Isolation at high framerates and it really adds a lot for me.
>>336966159
Thy Flesh Consumed also? Then check out Plutonia Experiment. It was a mod that got picked up by Carmack and made into an official expansion.
>>336971670
>Even more pretentious than Brutal Doom.
how the fuck is brutal doom pretentious
>there are people in this thread that haven't played Grezzo 2
>>336971517
daikatana is ok if you get the 1.3 patch and turn off the companions
What's your favorite demon?
>Baron of Hell
>>336967002
>have original release Doom 3
>cant use any texture or rework mods for some reason
>can find results for why nowhere on google>give up and just play Quake 4 instead
>>336971670
Fuck you faggot for not mentioning project MSX. Great mod that hasn't been updated in years.
>>336966159
now you play something good instead
>>336972046
That's a silly hierarchy, sarges and commandos are top tier threats.
Also, Arch-vile!
>>336972068
Just pirate. Also, Q4 is better anyway.
>>336971517
Romero was a codemonkey who's career highlighted with Doom1 pre-ultimate. He can't make his own game for shit. He's like the Terraria artist who made Starbound. The difference is kikestarter/goyaccess didn't exist and actual journalism did.
Quake maps were aesthetically garbage outside the worldhub and only indirectly appreciated cause of speedfags.
He did at least prove that Final Doom is no-talent tryhard bullshit megawad because Ultimate Doom E4 pisses all over it.
>>336972379
Quake maps have great flow and gameplay, not even a speedrun fag.
>>336972227
MSX is the most pretentious sperg bullshit on the face of Doom's existence.
You really want to praise that psuedo-Halo bullshit?
>>336966159
Play the best fucking Doom clone/improvement series, Heretic and Hexen. Don't play Heretic 2 I think it is though, because they fucked it up.
>>336972453
>flow
Yes, thus why speedfags love it.
>gameplay
No. Even Doom64 has better maps.
>>336968070
>beaten games
>duke nukem forever
I'm sorry
>>336972609
It's plain to see that you're too focused on aesthetics rather than gameplay
>>336972537
Heretic 2 is really stupid, but not awful. Worth one playthrough. Multiplayer was kinda fun while it lasted.
Basically a game with Heretic namesake plastered all over it.
>>336972727
No it's plain to see that you're too focused on buzzwords.
Game can have all the good flow it wants but if the content is half-assed there's no point enjoying the gameplay.
>ever defending Quake1's weapon selection.
>ever
>>336972258
(you)
>>336970528
>>336971375
ITS SO FUCKING GOOD
YOU JUST ZIP ALLONG
WHEEEEEEEEE
OH FUCK OYU GO DO FACSF
SINCE THE DOOM GUS GOES 60 mopg
AND TEXTURES FLOWS THE SHIT
AHSHHHHEEREDDDDFRRRHMM
>>336972046
>chain gunners aren't in Hard
>demons, cacodemons, imps, knights, barons in anything other than "annoying bullet sponge" tier
dropped this shit list
>>336972913
Oh, now you're moving the goal posts.
Keep digging.
>>336972769
I was going to say that it just took all of the series style out of the game, but I erased it for some reason. It would've just been better rebranded as a new game entirely, not related to the Doom engine games. Fine game other wise and like you said, MP was pretty fun in it's time.
>>336970614
with pixelated hands
>>336967041
IVE ALWAYS HATED ROTTKING WHAT A FUCKING ASSHOLE GODDAMN
You'r internet epeen just got half an inch bigger
That's it
>>336966865
BTSX episode 3 FUCKING WHEN?
>>336968070
go buy serious sam right now niga.
>>336973479
t. SlyFox
Go be a furfag elsewhere you dipshit
>>336972609
Quake maps are fucking fantastic dude. You might be retarded to think otherwise.
All you fags better be playing Going Down RIGHT FUCKING NOW
there's more enjoyment in that free megawad than in most $65 AAA today
you wait for DooM
>DUMP 2 volcano level.
>Don't notice the lava is rising until it's too late to outrun it.
>>336966159
Vanilla Doom on UV is a snore fest compared to BD on Black Metal difficulty I shit you not. It's that fun.Not memeing I swear
You could try out Brutal Doom v20b map pack
>inb4 "le rip and tear"
The maps are actually designed REALLY fucking well and I enjoyed them a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW8AHt5dgpw
>>336974765
I still preferred v20 with the vanilla maps but I'll have another go at it.
Not OP
>>336972068
you do know about the 1.3.1 patch, right?
>>336966159
do the official level expansions and look through mods
>>336972457
MSX is fun as fuck, man. Even with the Halo bullshit.
>>336975038
Yup, didnt work even after downloading that. The closest thing I could get to an answer is apparently Doom 3 hates AMD?
>>336975135
I've always thought of Project MSX as "Halo, except actually fun."
>>336974714
Why are you stopping at UV, then? That's not the hardest difficulty in the game, anon!
>>336973947
who?
>classic DOOM thread
Time to post my DOOM folder
>>336976715
>>336975871
Not the hardest but it's considered the difficulty you must play to get the full experience
>>336976813
I'm cautiously liking the new doom so far, it might be good
>>336977073
>>336977164
>>336977289
>>336966232
>>336966448
Don't listen to these retards, Nightmare is just Ultra Violence but with respawning enemies, aka you cannot kill everything in the level.
>>336977289
>>336977386
Keep posting f a m
>>336977820
>newfags will never beat TFC or NRFTL on UV
>>336977865
>>336977713
it has the same monster count as UV but monsters also move and shoot twice as fast and respawn a little while after being killed
you do get double ammo and health pickups to compensate though
>>336977950
so good
xD
>>336977289
>>336977950
>>336977941
I just beat Dis and went into TFC in UV. The spectres at the start killed me. Fuck it, I'll try tomorrow.
>>336968201
Duke Nukem 3D isn't a fucking Doom clone, underage.
>>336978026
>xD
I never understood what was up with the big demon head in the wall?
Was there a body behind it, locked up in chains, and the head was just hanging through a hole?
Were scientists dissecting this giant demon and experimenting on it?
>>336978042
>>336978042
Love them thanks
>>336977713
nightmare is speedrun, the difficulty.
since you can't kill anything, you get more ammo and health, but its BS and you just need to know the level layouts to win.
>>336978271
No problem f a m
>>336971295
It's fun cutesy wad
Hell Yes
Maybe, if we're talking about the concept art cyberdemoness and not the sprite version. The sprite one is not as feminine for my taste. But I understand how hard making a good sprite is, so I won't complain too much.
>>336978057
It's fucking hard, don't give up. Thy Flesh Consumed is truly unfair, and a retarded jump in difficulty from eps 1-3.
>>336978372
Anyone know how I can get Sky May Be to work? It looks like fun.
>>336977164
>>336977289
>>336977950
>>336978042
That's great stuff.
>>336978431
I was actually surprised, I had never played UV before but it feels like a 'normal' difficulty for me. I can't imagine playing it without UV now.
I mean, Ep. 2 and 3 had some fuckhard levels like Halls of the Damned and Pandemonium (and a bunch others where I scuttled through with 4% health) but it felt good.
Current wallpaper.
>>336978663
>>336978663
>>336978250
Endgame text says that its thrashing tendrils devastated "untold miles" of hells surface as it died. I think it was part of hell itself.
>>336978889
My folder is starting to run low
>>336979017
>>336979040
>1993 was 23 years ago
whats with doom that suddenly made people to realize toon of OC after a lot of years?
was it the doom generals on /vr/?
>>336979040
>2400 baud
they were better and worse times
>>336979040
>A huge file
Shit, I'm dying.
>>336966927
Great gif
>>336979196
>>336979308
I remember when DSL was the new thing with high speed internet
>>336979239
new doom probably sparked interest in the old games
>>336979383
>>336979308
>>336979040
>12.4 MB
>Huge
Oh, how times have changed.
>>336979473
>>336970403
>not including the PSX Sound effects wad
0/10 at least you tried.
Remember me?
>>336979253
Ok, old son - I'm gonna download an update for your Steam game now.
>HNNNRGH
>>336979308
>>336979527
one day we'll have chans where you can literally upload a 4gig movie file as part of your post the way we do 100kb jpegs.
Now for cute cacodemons
>>336979779
>>336976813
>nuts.wad
>>336979779
Who sells cacoplushes?
>>336979383
>I remember when DSL was the new thing with high speed internet
xDSL high bandwidth protocols are still being used around the world as a high speed train to the City of World Webs
>>336979869
>>336979630
>Released in '07
Before Pewdieplier let's "players" were a thing and game and mod makers were trying to bait them. And yet that wad is just as bad a jumpscare fest. Unloved is better anyways.
>>336979779
>>336979869
>>336979904
DO NOT PET
>>336967085
This
on black metal difficulty obviously.
>>336979969
I... I want a cacoplush!!
>>336979969
>>336979948
That's all I've got from my folder.
I tried playing Brutal doom for the first time yesterday
I can see why other people like it, but Im seriously missing doomguys face on the bottom. I dunno why nut that detail there makes doom for me
![let__s_go_practice_medicine_by_cattsparrow-d4xfkkj[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/XlABPJR.png "let__s_go_practice_medicine_by_cattsparrow-d4xfkkj[1].png")
>>336966159
Now?
>>336980052
Oh yeah and this. I'm sure you guys already know about this wad.
>>336980147
wait.. That's not an HD MOD!
>>336980147
>wanna look up for any High definition Doom wad
>get demon girls instead
I dont know how to feel about this.
>>336979658
I just notice that "Sky may be" is not listed under historically mentions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D25Xn0C_OQ
>>336980236
>>336980393
Shhh, just enjoy the "gameplay"
>>336980441
I was about to ask for Doom Wallpaper ,
Thanks a lot famicom. really saved me there.
>>336978559
Seconding this, I can't seem to get it running either.
>>336978431
Romero 's levels in TFC were unbelievably fucking retarded. Both of them
>>336980574
I've got some in a better resolution. I'll dump em.
>>336980685
Please do , i´ve just bought a new TV to hook up my PC today.
>>336980441
This wallpaper would be better without the title.
How the fuck is a game from 1993 still unbelievably replayable and good looking.
Now in 1080p
>>336980441
>>336980996
Saved and replaced the old one. Thanks!
>>336978559
Yo senpai, I just found this.
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/64220-the-sky-may-be-now-compatible-with-zdoom/
>>336980996
Thanks anon!
>>336981061
Thanks cool dude.
Have you guys ever had DOOM related dreams? Mine are usually filled with tons of demons where I'm using a rocket launcher or BFG. And the maps usually end up looking like pic related surprisingly.
Never tell me the odds.
>>336981313
has anyone ever actually beat that map?
>>336981313
hell be fine: the pape
>>336981313
Is that Icon of Sin at the end?
>>336981313
How long would it take someone to circlestrafe fire around the map long enough to kill every single one?
>>336981407
Probably not.
>>336981420
Yeah.
>>336981527
A fucklong time.
Why doesn't anyone ever talk about doom 64?
It has such a great atmosphere.
>>336980972
>bass riff
Am i the only one that loves what they did with the Sound effects in DooM PS1 / N64 versions? They are more fitting to the game.
>>336981576
Doom 64 is fucking legendary, and should have just been called Doom 3.
>>336970403
>not being neo-doom patrician tier
>gzdoom
>144hz
>perkistan's soundpack which is vanilla as fuck
>filters off, autoaim off, mouselook on
>smoothdoom
>timiditiy with SC55 soundfont so the music sounds like how Bobby Prince made it
I play Doom 64 with a steam controller and Valiant is the greatest WAD i've played as of yet.
Why is "Thy Flesh Consumed" so shit?
I really hate that it's always ham fisted into the game now when the first 3 episodes work perfectly without it.
Every TFC level except Sever the Wicked is super straightforward and cramped, leaving little to no room for variation and variable styles of play. Enemies constantly spawn behind you meaning you have to keep dying or getting hit until you memorize the enemy spawns.
Yes, it's harder than the main game, but it's just Simon says difficulty. The levels are also poorly designed in comparison to the main Doom game. Romero even admitted some levels were made in meme hours.
I've heard that "No Rest for the Living" is the Doom II equivalent to of Thy Flesh Consumed. Is it better?
>>336981576
always thought 64 looked cool as hell but i never played it. i really need to get around to doom64ex one of these days.
>>336981576
Everyone in the Doom community and /vr/'s Doom thread talks about frequently.
Gotta get out more anon.I haven't played it yet, haven't downloaded EX yet. Going to after I beat FinalDoom with Pistol start.
>>336981892
Fuck that, Doom 64 blows away both Plutonia and TNT. Skip Final Doom and jump straight to 64.
>>336981892
there's a great part in the second level where you're completely in the dark and a pinky starts eating your face. It's great.
>>336981767
No Rest for the Living is pretty good and it's made to be challenging first.I thought Thy Flesh Consumed was alright too, but it kind of peters out at E4M5
Speaking of Doom64 EX, didn't the same guy say he was building Daggerfall EX? Did that get shitcanned?
>>336981767
Perfect Hatred is probably one of the worst official levels in any Doom game.
It's super 1-note.
Once you have it memorized, there's no challenge.
Also cyber demon is there but as a turret, then you telephoto to him and he... blows up?
It's a mess.
>>336982057
Audible chuckles, great post, friend
Play Eric Harris' levels
>>336982194
kaiser is currently working on Turok 2 for Night Dive Studios and making Blood EX on the side.
>>336982328
Perfect Hatred is just an obnoxious level.
It's a very one-way level that requires constant death before learning how to do it right then it's never hard again.
>>336982471
Christ, I want Blood EX so bad.
Play quake on nightmare
https://youtu.be/RYqS5OEN4_U
>>336982912
>*brrrrrrrrrap*
Doom 64 was the first Doom I ever played. I loved it when I was a kid and I still love it now. I had a cheat code book and it had cheats for this game. Every single level was there. Cat and Mouse was really fun. I think it's just you, some Nightmare Imps, a Cyberdemon, and a rocker launcher with some rockets. Just beat Doom and Hurt me Plenty a couple of hours ago. I tried Doom 2, but I don't really like the levels. Any suggestions for wads with level design similar to Doom 1?
>>336983186
Source? that shit is kinda funny.
>>336983251
Doom 1 (and I mean the original 3 episodes, get that flesh consumed shit outa here) is still the gold standard.
There's nothing else that quite captures the feeling of it.
>>336983186
seconding source request
