What would you fix about this game for it's final release?
>>336961465
Your shit grammar
>>336961630
>your
Gameplay
> make ultimate charge restart at death
> more game types (capture flag, death match etc...) or atleast let us choose between the available ones
> have bigger game modes available (6v6 could be competitive/ranked and maybe a 10v10 or 8v8 optional style)
>torj's turrets lock too quickly
>Mei freezes too quickly/has too much health. She's a little too durable
>Bastion is a pub stomper
>Diminishing returns for multiple Lucio healing buffs
> can't check lobby stats after/during a match
The easiest fix is the lobby stats, I want to know who's doing what
Make it easier to mute faggots with microphones.
You're not even talking, I don't want to hear you eating and getting yelled at by your mom
>>336962202
Also, atleast give us some way of identifying the range for dva's ult.
There's been a few times where I didn't bother moving because I was so far away
>>336962202
>make ultimate charge restart at death
I don't know why people think this is a good idea. All it would do is make games even more one sided since the losing side suddenly can't build ANY momentum while the winning side has ult after ult.
>>336962202
>> make ultimate charge restart at death
One thing I like is that if you ultimate fails too soon, or you die preparing it, the game gives you a chance to use it again. I would say keep that factor at least.
>>336961465
Add career stats with each character and stuff
>>336961465
Fitness Mei skin
Better use of colors to identify teams.
I get that theres a bit of an outline to help distinguish teams, but man how often I shot at a teammate of the same character as an enemy during a firefight. Just do the Red/Blue color scheme like Team Fortress
>>336961465
Hero fixes. They all need tweeking for better, or worse
Ctf mode, horde mode
One hero per team. No doubleups
Fix the fucking potg horseshit
>>336961465
Let me rocket/sticky jump and it's an instant buy desu
This is one of the best betas i've played in a while.
My only complaint is movement is pretty slow.
>>336962390
Just put a wall between you and the mech. Treat as if you can see it, you are most likely in danger
>>336961465
Weaken Bastion's Turret mode slightly.
Enough to make it so only idiots charging forward are free kills, anyone who gets pelted by him has a decent enough time to back off and the other teammates have to help him end people.
>>336962202
>make ultimate charge restart at death
Worst idea, but a 25% total subtraction would be something to try out.
>turrets lock too quickly
They lock once then will keep on you even if you pop in an out of corners. I can long-range poke out a turret as Tracer, you're doing something wrong
>Mei is too durable
I agree, but she's at the point where reducing her health would do too much damage overall.
>Bastion is a pub stomper
flank, stun, snipe, genji, d'va
>Diminishing returns for multiple Lucio buffs
Good
>>336962630
>Let me rocket/sticky jump and it's an instant buy desu
Junkrat can sticky jump with his concussion bomb
>>336962580
Play of the game definitely needs to be fixed, I've done way more impressive shit for it to be overshown by a guy getting two kills.
>>336962669
pretty much this
but i don't think the movement is that slow, if anything it's the same as tf2
>>336962510
Thats the reason people want it like that. They get buthurt that the can be wipped do easily after dominating. Fuck em
>>336961465
D.VA's mech needs to respawn faster It blows up I felt like.
>>336962332
It is easy. You press P and then there is a list of your teammates you can mute.
>>336962725
i think it's entirely random
does it really matter anyway? main concern should be winning lol
>>336962630
Pharah can rocket jump but the physics make it not worth it for the health lost. She gets a rocket boost on CD to make up for that, but if she has a shield then doing things like shooting a wall while in the air to quickly reposition is viable.
>>336961872
>you are shit grammar
the constant crashing
>>336962724
You can "rocket jump" with pharah's concussion blast, but it's shit and the cooldown is infinitely long.
Same for jr, It isnt nearly as good as demoman's, and the cooldown is so long that you cant make use of chaining them.
>>336962685
Best fix for bastion.
>Longer transform time. Not heaps, just a fraction
Along with either
>Less range on turret
Or
>Windup time on turret
>>336962915
No transform time but I like the windup.
>>336962710
I am sick of people trying to tell people how to counter bastions. Everytime they treat it as a 1v1 which is rarely the case
by banning retarded players
>>336962759
And make it even harder to regain momentum when your team is getting stomped! The perfect solution to a game that already features incredibly one sided matches!
I reckon Lucio and Bastion are likely gonna be nerfed in some way. Lucio is very powerful, in the sense that he can fill the roles of other support heroes to a satisfactory degree. His healing is good, he can tank decent damage when he's got regen on, and his speed up ability brings people into battle faster. His weapon is a bit on the shitty side, but it's still perfectly decent, even one on one.
I'd say there's a chance that Junkrat and Mei will also get nerfed.
>>336962836
It's more like a frustration thing that keeps boiling up after each one you have to sit and watch. Plus the retards getting them think they are uselful
>>336961465
i would like it if viral marketers would stop spamming 4chanz for feedback.
>ctrl+f bastion
>5 results
>>336962983
Its about 1.5 seconds at the moment. Im thinking more 2 seconds. Just enough so they cant easily escape a counter barrage. Then they wouldnreally have to think about placement like torbys turrets
>>336962864
Again, it's shit and slow
I want to fly across the map pulling mercy with me
>>336963048
Think you missunderstood. I agree with leaving ults as is (keep after death)
>>336961465
Remove soldier 76 and Zarya, and bar bastion from getting PotG
Shit game rips off all shooters and its going to get fucking boring after awhile. Also its fucking blizzard they'll ruin everything about it in someway you fucking watch.
>>336963418
Make 76s heal are smaller and slightly slower recovery rate. At this point he is essentially a healer class
>>336962440
Because completely shutting down a team for 5 minutes just to have them all press Q and take the first point is fucking stupid.
>>336962759
Well they already have a thing like that where it'll give a percentage back but still making it reset on death would make it seem special to get one.
You can literally get an ult without doing anything if you run around Long enough
>>336963530
I just dislike seeing 10% of all players playing like it's BO3. He's way too bland to be in the game and yet is still fairly powerful.
Lobby/Game Mode selection. I'd play KotH all day if I could. Also, it would make it easier to stick with people you enjoyed playing with too.
I'd like a vote kick system too, but that would probably never happen.
Only balance change I'd like is a slower ult charge overall. It should be a hard decision when you it, not just something you throw out and get a minute later.
>>336962580
>one hero per team
And then comes /v/
>my shit team mate wouldnt get off WM so i could play her.
>he didnt everything the way i would have
>9/10 - IGN too much water
>>336963534
You should be prepared for that
>>336962669
Half the heroes can use the map to get around and for everything else, theres lucio
>>336963534
Being the team that gets absolutely shit on because someone snowballed with an ult would be pretty fucking dumb too.
>>336961465
>Longer games/game modes, such as mutliple objectives to hold, perhaps fighting over the same payload pushing it back and forth, but they've already hinted that they want to do this
>Bastion 1sec windup on gatling gun + more deviation/spray
>Mei freezing takes 0.5 sec longer, reduce health by 25
>No hero stacking
>Bjorn's turrets have a small turn rate, don't lock instantly
>+50 shield/yellow hp on Pharah
>D.va can shoot during E
>Winston's jump pack does 100 damage (instead of 50) on landing
>Winston's barrier lasts until destroyed/replaced (rather then duration)
>Widowmaker venom mine does 100 total dmg, instead of 75
>Widowmaker hook is 8sec cd instead of 12
>Reaper'sWraith Form should be able to pass through walls
>>336962880
Your computer is the problem here.
>>336962915
Add a cd to his heal. It has no activation time and no cd and heals faster than mercy. That needs some toning down.
I want a fucking server list, is that so hard to make Blizzard?
>>336962867
>That'sTheJoke.jpg
>>336962836
No, faggot.
The best fucking play should be shown. If I play a game well, I should be rewarded in some way other than retarded cosmetics.
>>336963658
To be fair, thats the point of him. To grab then cod/bf bucks. To remove him would be silly. Just nerf him and he would be fine
>>336963854
>buff everyone I main, including reaper
kek. no.
Mei NEEDS to be changed.
>>336963534
Brink died in days because the multiplayer matches were too one sided. It's very important to give the losing side a way to fix it. If you're really stomping that hard, it shouldn't be difficult to regain the point since if you've been winning, you should have ults ready too! You're acting like the way it is now makes every game go "Team A pops 6 ults, wiping team B and taking the point. Team B waits for ults to charge and then pops them all, taking back the point. Repeat forever." when this simply doesn't happen.
And even if that WAS the case, several characters are hard counters to that strategy. Mercy and Zenyatta's ults, along with Mei and Reaper having regular moves that give them enough protection time to survive that.
>>336963540
Id agree that the regen rate of it is too fast. They shouldnt remove it though, just slow it down for the offensive ults like hanzo
>>336961465
Give Zenyatta more health, he makes a good battle medic.
>>336963928
It definitely has activation time, about a second.
One character per team. No more 6 Torbjorns or Bastion Teams
>>336963065
I find Zenyatta way more useful than Lucio but thats just me. I dont play Lucio very well, if a skilled player did, they could dominate the game easily.
>>336963928
I would remove it and replace with somthing else
>>336962669
I agree, I keep forgetting that it's a beta and that actually makes me like it more; they don't seem to be shipping an unfinished game, and that's a nice departure from things like battlefront. Looking forward to seeing how / whether they balance some of the more overpowered or underpowered heroes. For a beta the heroes aren't grossly unbalanced desu.
>>336963756
Ok, how about a decrease in exp if more than one char is used for too long?
>>336963976
The problem with play of the game is that it really only takes multi kills into account.
>>336963976
So what would a POTG award you?
>>336963854
>No hero stacking
>Wanting to ruin monkey trouble
>>336963679
>slower ult charge overall
D.va would be beyond useless,
>>336964310
Gold
>>336962836
not when a mei 5k or well timed mercy ult that wins the game gets overshadowed by a 2k junkrat ult
>>336964419
For more cosmetics?
Give zenyatta +25 shields.
Buff his healing orbs to 35/40 health per second. Let him split healing orbs up to two targets, each healing half it's full rate. Zenyatta is the weakest healer right now.
>>336964419
I don't like the idea of POTG giving an award. It would encourage people to play characters designed to get it. We'll see a LOT less Mercys, for example, if POTG gave a reward.
>>336964453
Literally nothing else to gove
>>336962390
I recall seeing the explosion indicator change from red to yellow as I moved away, maybe it's an indicator of safe distance?
>>336964517
I think he's healing is pretty good as it is. The ability to split heal would be nice though. He is pretty balanced since his attack capabilities are pretty strong, but it'd be nice if he had more health.
>nerf Bastion
>nerf Hanzo's ultimate
>buff Poointheloo
Done.
Buff Symmetra. Make it so she has something to actually do in a fight after she's popped her shields and turrets.
>>336961465
12v12
>>336964769
How to six symmetra.
Fast ult recovery
White wash that indian shitskin
Have you ever seen the attacking team win in attack/defense?
Every time I get that mode the defenders win.
>le nerf Bastion
Remove symmetra. Just put her out of her misery already. She is awful
Nerf Bastion
Nerf Ults
Nerf Turrets
Nerf defensive based gameplay
>>336964951
You need to really collab with your team.and just bumrush all at once
>>336964985
highest winrate in the beta
git gud
>>336961465
You can't really fix it when its beyond repair. The ONLY good thing this game has for itself is the characters. Everything to do with gameplay is babbys first fps tier trash.
Add tons of more unique character-to-character dialogue. Blizzard knows all this game has is it's quirky array of characters, I wish they'd go all out on that
>>336964953
Your scrub character WILL get nerfed. Prepare to get mad
>>336964561
They should add new skills and weapons you could buy. Good ones cost more money.
>>336965134
>>336965085
confirmed
>>336965152
not likely
>>336965076
I thought her win rate was really high due to how good she was pre-nerfs? Does she still have the highest win rate this patch?
>>336963854
No. DVA's defense matrix is meant to protect your allies from projectiles. You can be perpendicular to your allies to protect them. What I want is that you can jetpack while using the defense matrix
Make Commends actually mean something in pub/competitive matches
>1-5 credits per commend.
>Epic cards get a 25 credit bonus, Legendary cards get a free lootbox.
>If you don't commend before the personal stats screen, you will commend a random card.
>You cannot commend yourself, nor commend those in your stack in pub matches, unless that would lead to you being unable to commend anyone.
>>336961465
FOV, for starters.
>>336961465
Make Bear traps one shot
>>336965152
Why don't they just give his gun a slight windup time?
>>336965229
>Pharah getting nerfed
Fuck. At least give her more fuel or lower her jetpack's cooldown if you're doing that.
>>336961465
Minor balances for each hero first then work on the connections. When ever someone leaves a game it takes AGES for it to find someone else to fill in.
As for heroes, the changes I can think of are quite wide spread.
-Bastion needs damage to distance fall off, he should not be able to just spam insane damage across the map.
-Hanzo's ult should widen as normal then shrink down to vanish. Its insane it can wipe entire teams through walls.
-Junkrat needs to do half or no damage with his trap, it's good enough that it stops people.
-Mei shouldn't be able to freeze someone again so soon after freezing them once, should rely more on teamwork.
-Torbjorn's sentry should have range limits and a slow turn instead of snapping instantly to look at who is in its possible view.
-McCree's fan the hammer is retarded for someone that is a sharpshooter, reduce the damage a bit on it.
-Tracer needs a higher cooldown on her rewind.
-Symmetra either needs her turrets to take two hits to kill OR have her shields increased to 50.
-D.Va's bullet shield needs to last a little bit longer or absorb incoming damage that could possibly boost her damage for a short time?
-Reidhart's E needs to have it's collision widened a little bit.
-Winston needs to either have his electric arc range increased or have the damage increased slightly OR boost the damage of his ult. It's a massive Gorilla going ape shit, it should not take more than two punches to kill a Hanzo.
-Zarya just needs to be scrapped altogether, her shields are easily telegraphed, short as hell, has very little impact and the damage fall off time on her weapon is just retarded,
slight changes to d.va
tentative:
reduce hitbox for headshots on d.va - tank class yet with such a huge head hitbox the armor benefit is canceled out
change ultimate slightly - either less apparent explosion with smaller radius or faster explosion but not quite as deadly
heroes never die - rezs a useless d.va in human form who will probably die again, should probably at least resurrect in mech.
changes to Mei
ice wall shouldn't block team mates - some trolling happening occasionally. To balance make it see through also.
changes to Symmetra
energy bubble can be held on holding right click rather than auto releasing it when fully charged
changes to winston
knockdown 1 enemy when you leap ability
enrage buffs self armor or ignores enemy armor
soldier 76: passive improved running speed rather than as an ability. give new ability.
zenyatta +100 more energy shield since he will die instantly anyhow. Maybe passive energy shield regen even in combat instead?
Mercy: no idea but beam flat damage buff seems kinda useless in most cases, sure its great for burst and for when mercy isn't busy healing, but most mercy are running around like mad healing or they are probably dead
Lucio: wall running is cool but there isn't too many decent walls to do it on, plus its fairly easy for people to still kill you on walls
rest of the characters seemed ok.
>>336964678
Soldier 76 heals more than zenyatta. Lucio heals at 40% rate, but it's passibe and has huge aoe. Amp it up makes him heal at the same rate as zenyatta, still in a huge range.
His offensive focus with his orbs don't fit the frailest hero in game. He can be one shot by a widowmaker 100% bodyshot, which is super easy and fast. His damage dealing tells the player to be agressive with him, but he can't ever go into open field, or he's going to be instagibbed for being a high priority target for being a healer. Healers shouldn't ever be the frailest hero in game. See RTCW, wolf ET and TF2.
His ult also doesn't fit him. His ult is medium range aoe around him, yet his gameplay style is being far back, out of range of assassins.
>>336965395
>Huge ass mech has a huge hit box
No shit you fucking faggot
>>336961465
Considering I can't play because of latency issues, that.
>>336961465
remove utimates.
>>336963854
>Buffing reaper
Nice try every faggot ever
>>336964062
>It's very important to give the losing side a way to fix it
Casuals everyone.
>>336965417
Zen is one of the best healers though he's not easy to use to get his numbers out though.
There should be a way to distinguish if the shout from someone activating their ultimate is from your team or the opponent.
>>336965339
The idea is that his turret is only super useful as an ambush after the scrub tier. Give him a windup and he's suddenly garbage at ambushing and worthless at all levels of play.
A lot of things seem like mistakes at the first step. Depending on how deeply the engine has things like tickrate and FOV ingrained, you may just need to take all the assets, scrap everything else, and start again.
>>336961465
Hanzo needs improvements relative to McCree and Widowmaker, but snipers across the board need a nerf regarding bodyshot damage. Widowmaker needs a slight ult nerf to make 2x'ing with her in pubs not completely infuriating.
Bastion doesn't need a nerf alone, but some sort of mechanical change that rewards him for relocating.
Map development needs to be the first creative addition made to the game, games like this live and die by map and gamemode variety.
Overtime nerf overall to better balance defense and offense.
Zenyatta needs a redesign so that they can justify giving him longer orb timers, doesn't matter if it's a nerf or buff at this point.
Player rankings need a total redesign so that people actually end up where they need to be. Seasons need to be extended past 1 month because that's a dead on arrival idea.
Thoughts?
>>336965395
>change ultimate slightly - either less apparent explosion with smaller radius or faster explosion but not quite as deadly
What about a larger radius, faster explosion with less damage butradiation poisoning to everyone hit that does a lot of damage over time
>>336965436
im not talking about her mechs hitbox, i mean the head hitbox is 3 times the size of everyone else which neutralizes the use of having a shit ton of armor. What is the point of armor is if she has the same effective health of someone with a smaller head hitbox but no armor?
More modes. Two modes is fucking pathetic.
At the very least add FFA. I hate having to rely on braindead teammates.
Increase overall moving speed.
>>336965505
>I want to stomp everyone while the other team just whines and rages and can't do anything about it!
I think you might be the casual here.
>when you're good enough at McCree to have fun with him
>>336961465
lower some fire rates and damage for some and have it where guns wont hit at certain distance
add more paths on certain maps
>>336961465
The price point. Should be F2P.
>>336964062
Yeah but that's what the incredibly
Long walk back timers are for. They can literally cap a point before you can run back on some of the maps. That's shit
>>336961465
Remove Mei
But in all seriousness allow me to shoot while she is freezing me, so I'm not instantly fucked whenever they get close
I'd also rework Symetra or however you spell it, she seems to be the most useless by far, and Hanzo's hitboxes need some work too
>people think this game can ever git gud
kek, enjoy your SFM material, its the only good thing to come from this junk
>>336965737
>on fire almost every game
>mercys on my dick
>teammates even cheering me on ocassion
Is there ever a reason not to use McCree?
>>336964985
>Go Symmetra
>Hippidy hop around an enemy and they can't do shit about me draining their health.
>Constantly getting PotM as her, wracking up 3 to 4 kills at a time, more if its involving turrets.
>"WAAAAH! THERES A HERO I SUCK BALLS AT! REMOVE IT!"
>>336965523
I love zen, but he's not anywhere near one of the best healers. lucio has better numbers, mercy is a better pocket medic. Zenyatta biggest strength really is the discord orb, but mercy also has a weaker versin of that. He also has absolutely zero mobility, and only his ultimate gives him some kind of escape (which shouldn't be used like that)
>>336965858
Junkrat is in the game.
>>336965152
Honestly I can see huge nerfs coming for many classes.
-Bastion will probably get a rev time and damage falloff like McCree.
-Roadhogs self heal/hook range is going to take a hit.
-I can just feel Rienhardts shield taking a hit since its become the GOTO for payload escorts.
-Solider 76 will probably get dropoff damage as well.
-Since Blizzard doesn't allow fun, Lucio stacking will be a thing of the past soon.
-Junkrat's pill spamming is gonna get DESTROYED. It is probably one of the most unbalanced things in the game at the moment.
-Tracer's pistols completely annihilate people up close. Shes probably considered the most overpowered character in the game because of this.
-Monkey Trouble doesn't need to aim to hit stuff with his gun, will probably require the player to look at the target.
-Poo in loo will have her right click slightly nerfed again.
-Mei will probably do less damage with M1, that way you cannot one shot someone with M2.
-I feel that Widowmaker will get her charge rate increased slightly, she can be game halting in goodhands/aimbooter hands.
-Hanzo's 1/3rd charge arrow doing full damage.
Everything else seems balanced.
>>336965229
"People don't like it but we know we are totally right in this!"
Sure sounds like Blizzard.
>>336965737
>when you're good enough at McCree to have fun with him
>when you're good enough at McCree
>when you're good enough
>good enough
>at McCree
>Press E > alt fire
>Kill anyone 1v1
>Press Q in a not totally retarded position > victory
>>336961465
1) Increase tick rate to at least 64, preferably 128 like esea servers
2) Rework all auto-aim abilities and weapons and replace them with abilities that at least require you to aim
3) Nerf roadhog's ultimate radius, it's slightly too big.
4) Give D'va a purpose besides her ultimate
5) Remove Bastion
6) Remove Torbjörn
7) Increase time to freeze from Mei's m1 by 1 - 1.5 seconds
That's all
>>336965229
Pharah has high damage? Since when? Sure if she direct hits, but shes easily countered since she just floats there
>>336966005
shitters gonna shit
>>336966005
more like "shitters need to get good and learn the game"
Increase movement speed slightly
Option to play with more than 6 people on the team
More game modes
Choosable game modes
>>336965936
>Nerfing junk rat
fucking why if anything he is one of the few balanced characters.
>>336962983
>>336962915
He's already basically the heavy from TF2, take some inspiration from him. Windup is the best fix for his considerable damage, the heal should operate like the sandwich (makes you exceptionally vulnerable while you channel the heal but heals for quite a bit on a long cooldown). Those changes make his ultimate feel that much stronger, the movement and the unstoppable damage he puts out in tank mode would feel awesome.
>>336965651
>giving power ups to the losers
Naw go play mario kart if you want that kind of casualiztion
>>336961465
double movement speed
less autoaim trash
add tdm
>give zenyatta 25 more hp and increase the healing his orb does
>reduce mei's hp by 25 and increase total freeze time because w+m1 should not freeze someone in 1 second
>fix roadhogs hook so people will end directly in front of him, ive missed kills and seen kills missed because an off-center hook will have people land to his right/left, nerf the self heal
>nerf tracer in 1 of 2 ways, either 2 charges/longer cooldown on blink or her recall doesnt restore hp
>maybe bump her pistol damage down, a swift skirmisher shouldnt have the burst of fucking mccree with half the downtime
>give a slight bullet spread on bastion or a rev up time, even though he is meant to be dealt with by phara/genji, a stream of fucking 20 damage bullets prevents that. give him his shield back, reduce his hp and call it a day
>symmetras teleporter has 10 charges instead of 6, increase range on primary weapon and either attach a small heal over time on her shield, or increase the value. more damage on sentries, even 3 of them can barely dent any non-200 hp character
>torbjorn can use scrap to build the turret to level 3 which functions the same as current ult turret with less hp, ult buffs it to level 4 and makes it much stronger. to compensate, give it tracking time and not infinite range
>widowmaker takes a charge rate hit, seriously it goes from 0-100 in a fucking second who thought this was okay
>make D.Vas fucking mech more useful for things besides ult. shes actually better outside it
>fix reinhardts charge hitbox, drop shield hp to 1500, change ult to a rectangle instead of a cone
there fixed
>raping the enemy team as Torbjorn
>Reinhardt bro shielding me and my turret
>"Well done my diminutive Swedish friend!"
I laughed hard.
>>336966283
>That reinhardt change
Fucking this
are tanks still walking ultimate generators? if yes why isn't ult charging % based damage rather than flat damage dealt
also base movespeed is shit, you can't rocket/grenade jump either
make ults go to 0% on death so the game isn't an ultfest every minute or two and they actually matter somewhat when they happen
also rework all the free kills ultis because they're shitty design and do nothing but reward bad players for existing
>>336966180
He is one of my favs to play as but everything he does, even dying, does damage, I feel he needs to be toned down just a small amount. Maybe make the trap change so that they take, say, 25% more damage from Junkrat whilst trapped instead of just straight up damage?
>>336965883
Zen would shit all over the other healers if he could have more than one orb.
Maybe make his harmony and discord orbs eat four or five off his ammo pool when they're deployed and allow him to deploy as many as his ammo can sustain.
all these overwatch threads do is make my miss my firefall bastion
A server list.
>>336965229
Ok how about this for bastion. Remove heal and replace with a temp shield like pink haird lady for pro gaming. Add windup for pup gaming.
Would that work?
Fix Play of the Game or remove it entirely. It's a complete waste of time currently.
>>336966409
Nigga a bear trap dealing damage makes sense they fucking walk into it. If anything it needs to do more then 80 because thats nothing to some characters. Him dying dealing damage also only appiles to fucking retards maratydom almost never kills unless you're in a cluster fuck. He is a explosive and trap expert of course everything he do does should do damage.
>>336966416
Not really. If he split two orbs, he would have a 10% healing advantage approximately over lucio on two targets. And lucio can heal all 5 at the same time.
>>336966283
>torbjorn buff
Don't be fucking retarded.
>>336966397
they don't seem to ult that often desu
>>336965362
I don't need more fuel. I need roofs to be patheable terrain. Pisses me off to no end.
>>336966212
This is a casual teamfps you dip
>>336966609
found the shitter
>>336966575
I don't like how random some of the play of the games are but occasionally they look cool.
I got one as Mercy yesterday - I have no idea how.
>>336966212
>Making the match more difficult means it is casualized
Really?
A lot, personally.
I'm trying to explain to some friends and put into words the issues I have with the game, but it's difficult.
I feel like game mechanics may be too fast. The cart moves really fast. The cart starts moving backwards really fast. The time limits are too short and that combines with another issue, how choke point heavy and prone to snowballing rolls the maps are, to make a game that ultimately feels unsatisfying upon defeat and not that much better on victory.
This fast pace awkwardly clashes with the low movement speed of the characters too, and I think it's because the maps are actually small but they're using vertical spaces and slow movement speeds to cover that aspect up.
The flow of the game seems to be what I find most wanting. I've played for a dozen hours every day almost and in that time I've seen an egregious amount of 100-0 games. This is an issue. The vast majority of games should not be insurmountable losses for one side or the other. You don't learn anything from trying to get through Hanamura's gate while a Bastion sits behind a Reinhardt with Mercy on the point yknow.
I don't know /how/ I'd fix it, but I think it all needs a looking at and tightening up.
Maybe it's the small team size that makes wipes and uncounterable pushes so common.
Maybe it's the scarcity of accessible Health Packs. Most of the ones I remember are nearby are always in line of sight to the enemy front.
I realized this morning when playing that I wondered at the end of almost every match
> "What the fuck could this enemy team have done to stop my team from winning?"
or
> "What the fuck could my team have done to stop them?"
>>336966361
>Hooking all day erry day as Roadhog
>Save a Junkrat right before he dies by hooking and killing the enemy
>Junkrat says "I knew I kept you around for a reason"
I wish there was more interaction between characters during gameplay because it's fun to hear
>>336966609
At least with torbjorn you can escape from the turret easily. Not so much with a bastion
>>336966603
zenyatta has the 2nd highest dps in the game and will probably never get a health or healing buff unless they nerf discord orb. Even now he's borderline overpowered and is only balanced by being glass
>>336966750
Im sure there will be more added when more comics/lore is made. Like the snipers scar in tf2
>>336966750
>pre-match banter between 76 and reaper
>76 says he thought reaper died
>reaper says it wasnt his thing
>>336966810
He has fucking 125 health. Most classes can two shot him, and some are capable of doing it in one.
He's certainly not borderline overpowered.
>>336966925
Based reaper he might be edgy but he's a cool guy
>>336966283
>Remember seeing videos of Reinhardt charging and catching like 3 people.
>Everyone just gets knocked back know.
What happened?
>>336966925
I will never be able to tell if Reaper is supposed to be serious or a parody. The way he throws his guns away and pulls out an endless supply of replacements makes me think he's satire, but the straight delivery of "die, die, die" pushes me back to serious.
>>336966967
He still can, It's pretty funny too I've seen a reinhardt charge Mei solider and mercy right off the russia map before.
>>336965198
Amazing b8, fren :]
>>336966961
He has 150 health and he 2 shots most classes. He does too much damage and has too much utility to just straight up buff his health without nerfing something
>>336966925
>Mercy asks Reaper what happened to him.
>Reaper says you tell me.
>Looking through the hints in the levels, Mercy is responsible for Reaper no longer being human due to initial healing staff experimentation on Reaper.
Mercy you christmas cake bitch.
>>336967036
He's parody. A characture if younwill
>>336967152
Mercy is scum
>>336966967
>>336967042
he cant pin more than one person anymore, either that or the hitbox is super fucking precise
the hitbox itself is fucking trash most of the time. like ill charge someone and ram my dick into them but they get flung away
its really disappointing
>>336967152
Examples of hints? I love this stuff. Found a picture of torn and mercy at the beach in one level
>SENTRY MAN IS 2 HARD FOR ME TO BEAT BLIZZ NERF HIM NAO >>>:O
Pic related.
>>336961465
Reduce Widow charge time on sniper, way too easy to just shit on a team with her right now.
Increase junkrat missile just a little bit
REDUCE speed at which mercy can build her ultra, its very quick
>>336961465
remove Temple of Anubis, King's Row, Hanamura, and the entire two point capture game mode from the game
>>336967036
>I will never be able to tell if Reaper is supposed to be serious or a parody.
ITS NOT IMPORTANT
>>336967137
sorry, got the health wrong.
>he two shots most clases
Even with discord orb he doesn't do that, are you dumb. He does 45 per orb, with discord its somewhere arond 67 damage. He can't even two shot another zenyatta with it.
>>336967238
You havenalready posted this autist. No one cared about you then either
>>336966180
>able to spam aoe damage that can two shot almost everyone
>he is so balanced xD
>remove q's
>Dont launch it on consoles
>Make it more skill based by not having auto aim guns
There you go, now it's an acceptable mediocre $40 for PC.
The only thing that could fix this game is a GODLY ranked mode
I mean PERFECT matchmaking
Because right now my teammates literally cannot think, let alone play a videogame or co-operate as a team.
I'm genuinely SHOCKED that half of my teammates don't just forget how to breathe mid-way through the match.
I won't buy this game unless an IQ test is mandatory for playing online, and it only matches you with people of your relative intelligence.
cancel it
>>336961465
The price tag on a strictly multiplayer FPS that will eventually die out. And don't even justify F2P is what attracts a lot of shitters, there already are a bunch of shitters in this game.
>>336967304
You can see that shit from a mile away. The bombs basically float
>>336967304
His grenades are delayed they take a good 3-5 seconds to blow up. You can get away from them if you aren't a fucking retard.
>>336965858
>>336965925
>tfw you suck at both
Who no skill here.
>>336967289
headshots deal double dmg
>>336967305
Kys
>>336967365
>guys why is my retail wow comprised playerbase dumb as shit?
>>336967241
>REDUCE speed at which mercy can build her ultra, its very quick
If the entire enemy team is taking THAT much damage and the Mercy is keeping them alive, she deserves and needs an ult that quick.
>>336967428
Who do you use then?
>>336965395
sauce me up on that image my nigga
>>336966019
>4) Give D'va a purpose besides her ultimate
Agreed
>5) Remove Bastion
>6) Remove Torbjörn
le doesnt know counters shitter
>thought Reaper was edgy pandering when Overwatch was first revealed
>start playing him in the beta
>that banter with the other heroes
>that reload
>that white alternate skin
he grew on me
>>336967305
>Dont launch it on consoles
For what reason literally doesn't effect anyone.
>>336967297
>pictures are exclusive per poster
It's like people have similar opinions represented by the same picture, huh anon-chan?
>>336967585
Thanks for your blog anon.
-Reduce Pharah's jumpjet cooldown to 3 seconds
-Reduce Speed of Roadhog's hook
-Reduce McCree's alt-fire dmg. Ult should also suffer dmg falloff after mid rage
-Bastion's turret mode should a .5 sec spin up time. Turret mode should also have reduced dmg at range.
>>336967468
You KNOW that it would make it much better game.
It's not like you can fix a lot when the core game is flawed due to console bastardization.
https://youtu.be/ueRjbYdcXbs?t=2m28s
You know when a FPS is made with consoles in mind its GOING TO BE SHIT 90% of the time.
>>336967585
Reapers based as fuck serious or not.
>Fire off Hanzo's Q in front of a dva
>She shuts it down with her E
I'm not really sure what I expected
> playing tracer
> torj turret mows me down
Every time. Can't even jump around them, that tracking time is too quick
>>336966925
The pre-match banter is usually pretty great. I wish I could remember the exact lines but there's one between Winston and Reaper that made me laugh
>Reaper says Winston should stay inside otherwise he'll scare the children
>Winston replies that not even children are afraid of Reaper
>>336967602
So you are a mindless sheep who can't fucking read? Good to know retard-chan
DAILY REMINDER, STOP PLAYING TRACER, WIDOW, HANZO OR GENJI. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME.
>>336967683
Torj is a hard counter to Tracer. Its supposed to be that way
>>336967671
Your sugguestion will never happen. Stop wasting time even posting this stuff
>>336967703
Reaper has a good one with McCree too.
Can't remember exactly but McCree chastizes reaper for wasting his guns
>>336967705
>can't read
Huh? Also, you seem pretty angry for someone who started arguing with a guy for no reason, desu.
I'm just saying that if someone else posted it, then I share his opinion. Bastion isn't even close to OP.
>>336967442
So I need to hit discord orb and then headshot people to be effective, all while atleast two other classes one shot me, one of them not even needing headshots.
If you seriously have time to shot two orbs and a discord, two being headshots, and not being killed, you either ambushed someone or the enemy team is braindead.
>>336967773
And i bet you do?
>>336967683
good. tracer is the scout without the risk of being caught in a bad position. hard to feel bad for you when cover is a mouseclick away.
Fan the hammer needs a huge accuracy nerf.
>>336967475
Just make it charge slower on healthy characters and charge faster on characters that suffer damage. Right now she can just pocket someone(like widow)and build it fast as shit.
Also D'va needs some type of different firing method, she needs an alt fire in the bot.
Give Genji a different alt fire, I've never seen any good Genji bother with it since the single target is so much stronger, maybe give alt fire some minor bleed effect or slow (non stacking.
Seriously winston needs a different firing method or some type of non auto targeting alt fire with a bit more range. Also winston ult needs a tweak, seems like every other tank just has a better ulti, especially roadhog.
>>336967908
His attack speed is also very quick
>>336967654
>-Reduce Pharah's jumpjet cooldown to 3 seconds
pharah doesn't need any changes, she would be op if she got buffed
>-Reduce Speed of Roadhog's hook
why? he seems perfectly balenced
>-Reduce McCree's alt-fire dmg. Ult should also suffer dmg falloff after mid rage
agree about the ult but reducing alt fire damage would make him useless
>>336965858
>McMeme
>lose every 1vs1 because he just stuns you into 400 damage fan
manthisgamesureisfun
>>336967851
And neither will everything thats been posted in here, so maybe everyone should just stop wasting their time?
Op asked for opinions, my opinion is to try not to make it an fps based on console casualization by removing Qs, characters like reinhardt, no more auto aim guns and maybe even speed up the whole game by 5-10%
>>336967952
>Just make it charge slower on healthy characters and charge faster on characters that suffer damage.
But it already does exactly that.
>>336965395
>>336967551
bump for
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>>336967893
You didnt read the inital post. Im angry that we have to deal with people like you who think they know anything when they can't even read the thread
>>336967428
>McCree
>skill
>flashbang
>alt fire
>receive kill
You must really suck.
>>336967968
Yes, and you have to be constantly on the move with him, which makes headshot harder. His projectiles may be fast, but they aren't hitscan like soldier 76 or mcree, nor as fast as hanzo.
>get good
that's not how balacing works. And I have an high elimination average with zenyatta.
>>336968010
At least what others are posting are feesable. You are straight up asking for a different game. That's just stupid. It's obvious you do not like the game
>>336967987
I think the hook reaches the target too fast. Needs some actual flight time. Right now it might as well be hitscan. Way too good.
Those hook grabs should be earned, not given at a key stroke
>>336961465
In truth the biggest issue I have with the game are the maps.
They don't seem to be very well designed. Health is spread very weirdly, covering and alt paths aren't that important. Massively chokepointy.
>>336967128
I'm deaf. he says "gg, no"
>>336961465
Mercy main here. Almost 10 hours logged, I still don't know what the different colors in people's HP bars mean. Any tips?
>>336967683
>my hero isn't perfect :((((((
>>336968160
I like it
Its just obvious you cant make a good fps game while trying to cater to consoles and overwatch is the PRIME example of it.
Bastion would probably be fine if they added more round dispersion at long ranges so he doesn't get to be an uber sniper with tank levels of health
Also too many maps just have super chokepoints with 1 entrance that Bastion can just camp indefinitely
If a Hanzo or Widowmaker miss more than 50% of their shots they should be auto-kicked from the server.
>>336967683
tracer is purely for harrassing
>>336961465
Make it so I don't have to leave a game to open my Loot Boxes.and make bastion turn slower in turret form
>>336968232
armor is orange
shield is blue
jesus how hard is this?
shield recharges, armor reduces damage slightly.
>>336968132
Not other anon but we're forgetting his mouse2? I don't know exact numbers but it seems like it literally just sends out 5 mouse1s? 67 * 5 = 335 which is more than half of roadhog's health pool and not including headshots
am I missing something? pretty sure zenyatta does tons o damage
>>336968232
Blue is shield. Think yellow is a second bar i think. Like how d.va has the mech health then hers
>>336967152
>>336967204
>>336967230
Seeing this pattern. Mercy "saved" Genji but he was a wreck until he found Zenyatta who helped him accept his new reality.
>>336965269
You.... can?
>>336968232
Blue = shields = auto regen
Yellow = armour = not sure how it works precisely, but can be healed
Red = direct HP
>>336961465
impossible, every character needs a major overhaul in just about everything in terms of buff/nerfing
but more importantly
>Ultimates reset on death
>more game modes that actually are good (like CTF would already work pretty well)
>checkpoints should give you 2 minutes extra not 5
>remove overtime completely
>defender respawn closer to objectives
>reduce Hitbox for ALL characters, this shouldn't even be a fucking issue, god damn Blizzard fucks
>increase tickrate from 20 (is this really a fucking joke Blizzard?) to 120
>make better maps post launch
>>336967987
>pharah doesn't need any changes, she would be op if she got buffed
You missed the post that said Pharah did too much damage, implying a nerf. I think buffing one of her jets in addition to lowering her damage would be fair.
>>336968267
Overwatch is balanced differently on consoles. There is no parity at all with the PC version
>>336968350
Ok, I suspected this. So Zaryha's first 200 HP will regenerate itself?
>>336968009
>Being too stupid to change tactics when you lose every time.
I knew the game was for casuals, but this is next level.
>>336968337
Mercy confirmed necromancer? Her devil skinnmakes more sense now
>>336961465
Zarya's outfit is now nothing but nipple tape and body oil
>>336968163
I can see the need for maybe a slight nerf to the hook. There are so many bad players right now that it's not too bad but I love playing Roadhog just because I can actually aim. There's no better feeling then yanking people out of their ults
>>336968061
>people care about what the thread's really about in neo/v/
What would I fix?
>Mcree fan hammer spread up,
>D.va damage up a small bit
>Mei freeze time up somewhat
>Junkrat being able to store mines in charges
>Hanzo shotgun arrow damage down
Now was that so hard, senpai?
>>336967238
COme the fuck ony ou faggot fuck if you have a fucking sentry man set up with roughly one or two other people around and you try to use genji to kill him GOOD luck faggot. Most of the time Bastion is surrounded by other fucking people making it even harder to focus singularly unless you work with a teammate to get him or sneak around him.
>>336968042
HEY ME TOO
>>336965395
>>336963534
[Spoiler] git gud[/spoiler]
>>336961465
Get rid of ultimates. Give Bastion's turret mode a massive cool down. Also nerf Mei. Nerf all turrets in general. Buff everyone's health a little bit. Increase respawn time a little bit. Add a few more maps. Add better maps. Add another game mode.
From the chars I play:
Genji: Ult should probably be buffed slightly. It's pretty garbage at the moment.
D.Va: Guns are brutally weak, even close range. Either make movement with them faster or make them slightly stronger.
Reinhardt: Seems fine, really. Maybe add a cancel to the charge but if not then it's still fine.
Nerfs needed on a lot of characters though.
>>336968331
They are super unreliable. Take too long to charge. Using it on open field is a death sentence without someone shielding you, charging it behind walls is super unreliable without widow ult.
Zenyatta does do ton of damage, but he's super squishy.
>>336968494
Apparently since it took you 3 posts to be constructive
>>336968512
>unless you work with a teammate
Yes that's generally the concept of the whole game
>>336961465
Price it at $20 bucks, because that's a motherfucking FPS. With absolutely nothing new.
>classes
>game modes
>power ups
Same shit.
>>336968567
>irony
>>336968446
>Change tactics
The 'tactic' is basically have over 400HP
>>336968661
I mentioned it because there is no fucking team play at this time unless you fucking queue with them as a friend.
Everyone wants to frag everyone and discussing that shit with teammates good luck fuckhead.
>>336967908
im not the guy who said zen is fine i was just trying to explain how he could 2 shot people i am all for zen buffs i love his design
*teleports behind you*
Tch... nothin' personal.
>>336968267
That is purely your opinion as many people do like it
>>336967908
>my support hero can't oneshot everyone
???????
I know that maining characters is stupid but I play Genji whenever I can. He's the only actually fun character for me, climbing everything and going fast as fuck throwing shurikens. It's often a struggle getting good results but whatever, it's worth it.
The rest of the cast just feel like your average shooter character with a few small gimmicks to set them apart. If there was no Genji then I wouldn't give a fuck about the game at all.
>>336968798
Lol nether thought of that, good one
>>336968841
I'm not asking for damage buffs you dumfuck. If anything I'm arguing his damage isn't enough of a reason to not buff his shields/healing output
>>336968321
if you call killing everyone with a 200 healthpool and below in about one sec harrass then yes
>>336968846
I think its good to have a main. As long as you know to change when needed
>>336968323
this
>>336968960
Gimmie a list of under 200 hp chars and im sure there are counter for each char
SERVERS DOWN FOR ANYONE?
>>336961465
Remove classes except healers.
>>336969002
Yeah I go Roadhog whenever we lack tanks, he's pretty fun. Lucio if we have no support. Sometimes Hanzo but my results as him vary wildly.
But I never come close to the fun and borderline exhilaration Genji gives me.
>>336968478
>>336968163
>>336967987
>tfw I love playing roadhog
>my hook always seems to miss people
how do I get better at catching people? So many times I end up in a 1v1 where I end up getting killed because I couldn't combo
>>336961465
Map rework, because maps presented in beta limit usage of most characters' abilities, reduce variations of tactics and are generally not very fun to explore and improvise on.
Reduce price.
Also, fix double reinhardt double bastion fag tactics, seriously guys
>>336968798
needs to be a voice line
>>336969116
Zenyatta.
>tfw sniping people with Mei's M2
best feeling
>>336969232
The games "pro" scene is already awful.
Every lineup on offensive is basically Zenya, Rein, Mcree, Mcree (or hanzo), Mercy, and someone else (mostly Lucio).
Before itwwas all Genjis and symmetra because of how retarded that shit was.
>>336969116
my point was that she deals a little too much dmg , her dmg beeing about 200 before reloading, now if you don' t know which charackters are in her 'can be fucked before reloading list' its everyone beside mei reaper the tanks and people with symmetra shield or torbjörn armor.
>>336969297
Any healer class should be with a send person. If you are getting swarmed constantly by tracer, thengroup nearba character thats her counter like torbjorn.
>>336969198
Fair enough man. Sounds liek your a good player to have on a team
>>336964953
You forgot to draw the hallway, that is every map.
>>336969517
It's actually 240, but its falloff is pretty steep
>>336969538
so your tip as to how to deal with tracer as zenyatta is to not use zenyatta well that sure is some nice insight you shared there
>>336962202
pretty good list
The only thing I would change is how generous they are with Overtime. I get it, comebacks are fun, but holy shit they'll give you overtime for ANYTHING. When your zone capture hits 100%, that should be it. Instead that's now 10 seconds from it where any time an enemy comes anywhere near the zone it'll be reset back to 10 seconds. I find myself liking Payload the most just because overtime makes at least some sense there. If someone is pushing the cart at the time the timer runs out, then you extend the time until no one is pushing the cart. Not this bullshit "You should win but lets wait 10 more seconds and see what happens"
>>336969662
well thats good to know she does even more than i thought and i already thought it was too much
thx blizz
its literally impossible to patch this game before release, so no its done on arrival. not to mention there are people already getting bored of this and ironically all of this is what we get
How do I force my teammates to use their mics
Implementing a sticky, so you faggots will quit shitting up the board with your wannabe Team Fortress Waifu Simulator.
>>336961465
fix D.Va, I have two options and either would work.
>decrease spread
>increase rate of fire
D.Va definitely needs her critbox reduced from the size of the moon.
Increasing Bastion's reload time to atleast 1.5 seconds would make him less of a pubstomper. Experienced players would have aim that isn't ass so it wouldn't affect them too much.
Make ultimates charge more slowly after consecutive uses so it's harder for winning teams to snowball.
Give Symmetra place able medkits that respawn faster than the regular ones (maybe 2 out at max) so she isn't so shitty.
Increase spread on Mccree's hammer fan.
Increase charge time on Tracer's bomb so it isn't impossible to escape, or reduce bomb radius.
>how do you fix reinhardt being a basic auto-include on every team?
I wish this game had PvE elements like Battleborn. Right now it's just a boring shooter with no real strategy.
>>336969714
>I think my healer should be mvp kills on the front line
Your own fault
>>336969714
Yes. Just like how if you're trying to fight a fire, you would stop using gasoline and switch to water to fight it.
>>336961630
>grammar
It's grammer idiot
>>336969797
Yeah literally nothing that happens in the match matters until the last 10 seconds due to how overtime and ultimates work
The problem is I think they did that on purpose for baddies to feel "good".
>>336969894
Needs a horde mode desperately
>>336962915
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>>336961465
Nerf all the heavies, nerf explosion damage
>>336961465
>What would you fix about this game for it's final release?
1. Dedicated servers with pings.
And since that will never happen, I'm dropping this game hard. Which is a terrific shame, because I like nearly every other thing about it.
2. 8v8 or higher multiplayer. 6v6 is way too small for a PC shooter. Yeah, yeah, balance, maps etc. But if I could change anything, I'd make overwatch at least 8v8. There's 21 heroes, you'd think they'd want you to see that many on the screen. You could field a full 10v10 and have no duplicate characters. 6v6 is ridiculous.
I don't expect them to change this part either, so again, my interest is gone.
>>336961465
The matchmaker really needs to build matches about a standard deviation of levels and not just averages. It's the reason why you'll have somebody decent teamed up with a squad of complete babies.
>>336970063
>nerfing explosions
way to ruin the best character faggit
>>336963854
>wraith form pass through walls
>every PotG is reaper wraithing through a wall and pressing q
Alright so the only overpowered heroes in this game currently are Mcree, Widowmaker, and Lucio, this is an objective fact and anyone who disagrees (i.e. anyone who is asking for nerfs on Bastion) is in the fucking lowest MMR trench imaginable.
>Widowmaker
Make her charge time longer (like one second longer), or make her have a one second reload animation after each shot (like a bolt-action rifle)
>Mcree
Reduce damage on Fan the Hammer by 20
>Lucio
Lucio is hard to fix because there's so few good supports on the roster (Mercy is the only other competitive support pick and not just a niche pick) I would probably nerf his passive healing and keep everything else the same.
>>336967401
>>336967418
Like clockwork blizzshills defend everything
>>336969838
No really, nobody uses mic in this game.
>>336970190
Nigger there are many flaws in this game but not junkrats guns.
>>336970063
>Mad Mcree player detected
QUESTION;
Do people talk much in this game and strategize like in CS:Go for example on PC?
This game desperately need that kind of coordination.
I haven't played the game that much since I literally just got it, but here goes.
widowmaker's charge duration on her sniper rifle needs to be lengthed
bastion needs a range dropoff on his turret form and some kind of rev up time
maps need to be bigger, or at least better designed. I feel like some of the big ultimate fights and stuff it just turns into a clusterfuck and theres not a lot of area to maneuver in some of the maps.
mei needs some nerfs around her stun, she isn't op but she's definitely cancer to try and fight, especially 1v1
Other than that I think most of the other heroes are alright in terms of balance, at least at my scrub level.
>>336970274
>expecting pubs to do anything coordinated.
Theres only remote semblance of strategy in high level of any game. Thats about it.
>>336970274
I try too but since I play on ps4 since I lost my pc from some unrelated reasons no one uses the mics and even when I try to coordinate shit no one ever listens.
Soldier 76 is pretty fun.
>>336970274
You wont find that with pugs in queue.
>>336968705
or don't get so fucking close. the grenade range is ridiculously short. if you get close and get stunned you deserve to die for being retarded.
Tracer has too many good matchups and can escape everything short of a charged WM or Hanzo shot if the player has half a brain.
Pharah should be 250hp, 50 of it shield
I think dedicated healing classes are cancer in an FPS but YMMV, only girls like being pigeonholed as the team's heal slut.
Reinhardt is the only actual tank, everyone else is a warm body that happens to be fat and melee range, though roadhog is also kind of useful. Gorilla is useless until he presses Q. Zarya is too dependent on other players not being afraid to take some heat to be useful in pubs.
>ctrl + f bastion
>34 results
LOL I'm so fucking happy meme robot is going to prevent so many casuals from buying this game
>>336961465
Complete VO for most characters
>>336961465
Make Widow x Tracer canon
Give tracer 250 health
>>336970521
kill yourself
>/v/ hates Genji's dragonblade
>/v/ hates McCree's deadeye
>/v/ hates Pharah's barrage
>/v/ hates Reaper's death blossom
>/v/ hates Soldier 76's tactical visor
>/v/ hates Tracer's pulse bomb
>/v/ hates Bastion's configuration tank and configuration sentry
>/v/ hates Hanzo's dragonstrike
>/v/ hates Mei's blizzard
>/v/ hates Widowmaker's infra-sight
>/v/ hates Reinhardt's earthshatter
>/v/ hates Roadhog's whole hog
>/v/ hates Zarya's graviton surge
>/v/ hates Lucio's sound barrier
>/v/ hates Mercy's resurrect
>/v/ hates Zenyatta's transcendence
Is there anything you like?
>>336965295
>Your team are massive shittalkers and get all 4 cards
>They're basically huge cunts the entire game
>You don't because you were support
>"Haha, better commend them, goy :^)"
No.
>>336970635
Zens transcendence is one of the best healing ults in the game though whats to hate?
>>336970635
tf2
>>336970426
>Don't get to close in most of the maps tiny corridors and small points
LOL
Keep kidding yourself mate, its on the chopping block already.
>>336961465
the movement and aim is slow as sit on this game.
>>336970635
most of /v/ is underaged and fucking suck at video games. find another board.
>>336970502
>He wasn't in closed beta.
You have no idea what bad voice's were. Pharah's and Mercy's was cringe worthy.
They're so much better now.
D.va desperately needs a buff.
She is trash.
inb4 YOU JUST GOTTA FLANK.
>>336970758
its actual particle effect is fucking a 2d image
its disgusting
>>336970825
She isn't trash. You're trash.
>>336961465
Double the amount of content
Make decent maps, hanamura is the only somewhat decent one.
>>336970868
It doesn't even look that bad you memeing faggot.
>>336970593
She dies too fast
>>336969798
Don't think you quote realize how bad the damage drop off is, and how inaccurate her guns are.
Unless you are point blank in someone's face, their dps is probably higher or can at least kill you quicker
>>336970190
God dam you must be shit at this game
>>336970889
She is absolutely the worst character in the game. I have literally never seen anyone do well with her. Maybe Symmetra is worse.
>>336970889
Not him but I've never been killed by a D'va player from 100 to 0.
I would legitimately like to know how people are supposed to play her properly
>blizzard makes a fps that literally is made for casuals to be good at
>/v/ still fucking sucks at it
LOL fucking pathetic. Thank god I mostly post on reddit now.
>>336965526
There is.
Enemy ult:
>Their native language
>Loud as fuck.
Allied ult:
>English
>Quieter
In the case of enemies that speak English natively:
>It's literally a different line than the allied one
Ex. Soldier 76 on the enemy team will yell "I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS." Your ally will yell something about optic whatever.
>>336970889
>flank around
>it takes me 3 seconds to kill mercy
>2 people burst fire my moon-sized critbox
>die in 2 seconds
she's a tank that can't tank, and a flanker that can't flank.
she needs the buff.
>>336969886
>reduce bomb radius
Holy shit you cucks, the radius is already small as hell.
Why is /v/ so bad at this game?
the price, 19.99 maximum
>>336966650
godfucking this
>>336970105
Pharoah should not be able to just unload all their rockets into a doorway and hit you with splash damage for every one when you're not even close to the point of impact
>>336969886
>Increasing Bastion's reload time to atleast 1.5 seconds
more like 4 seconds.
>>336970889
>>336971091
>>336971093
Her ultimate is overvalued and her guns are weak as fuck.
She is supposed to constantly call in and explode mechs, which would be a good idea if every single hero in the game couldn't crit your fat face as soon as you show up popping you out of your mech.
>>336971437
I wasn't talking about Pharoah never even tried her before. I was talking about Junkrat
>play genji
>try to actually go up buildings
>hit invisible walls and float back to the ground
>>336971508
Oh, haven't had any problems with his explosions. His wheel is stupidly strong but it's an ult so its whatever
>>336971106
Never forget the Shazbowl you cuck.
>>336965229
>pharahs damage is very very high right now
Lmao
>>336970706
>Spiting your team this much.
>Still playing support for them.
For what purpose, m8?
>>336971528
>Try to perch on roof like ninja
>Slide off because I'm not on ground.
>>336971580
Nerfing explosions nerfs every single one of his ability even his guns.
The only actual OP character in this game is widow maker compared to Hanzo
>>336971615
>120 a hit isn't high
Fucking epic man
>>336971271
>tracer dashes in and lays bomb and then dashes out/rewinds
>charge time is 1 second
>you have 0.5 seconds to gtfo if your reaction time is 0.5 seconds
Why don't we also just make the radius smaller on D.Va's ultimate and reduce the charge time to 3 seconds?
Why is D.Va's bomb so fucking telegraphed if tracer can do literally the same thing and be out of there in the blink of an eye?
>>336971756
It's am ult you tard. No shit it's strong.
The radius is still very small
>>336971659
You'll just have to learn to aim I suppose.
>>336971873
Or you could just learn to dodge faggot
>>336965295
>Make commends mean something
>"YOU FAGGOTS BETTER COMMEND ME OR I'M NOT PICKING <ROLE WE NEED>
That, and the super ultra tryhard MLG aimbot-class Widowmaker will get all the votes anyway
>>336971848
my point is that almost every ultimate gives you a reasonable amount of time to react to it except for tracer's.
if anything the radius would increased a bit but the charge time increased more.
>>336971873
You already have to get direct hits faggot
reduce mei's ammo cap
>>336961465
1 add three new modes
2 add 10 more maps
>>336971756
Because dva' ult has an insanely wide radius and tracer's does not?
>>336970825
She needs a secondary weapon of some sort. Kinda stupid that a mech in that setting has just thrusters, a average shield and shotgun hands
>>336963854
>buffing widow
Why make an already essential character even more essential.
>>336971175
What series? I havnt noticed that? Pharah still speaks english?
>>336971965
>Implying he will even get a card if he decides to throw the match.
>Not simply lying that you will.
>>336961465
Make it F2P!
>>336961465
Fix bastion.
No, not nerf.
When a person is broken against noobs and complete and utter shit against knowledgeable players, he's in need of balancing.
>>336972067
>bastion
>Genji
>76
Etc.
There are lots of instant ults
>>336972315
you can hide behind literally anything, reinhardt cockblocks it most of the time. It's not hard to avoid unless you're in a really open area, which overwatch generally doesn't have.
>playing mercy
>need to fly to someone because heals or whatever
>get stuck on corner/ledge/small object
>die
i dont care how you fix it just fix it
>>336972480
Junkrat/Zen main here what's do bad about Bastion? I have never tried him but also never had a hard time fighting yea. Yea he will fuck me up if I go out in the open but he is real easy to pick off if you know where to shoot from.
is this game gonna have microtransactions?
>>336972451
I'm not bothering to vote since people never give me props.Fuck people.
That said, I also put in tremendous work, but not enough to be a top 4 to compete with MLGNOSCOPEMCREEBASTIONTHECOWBOYTURRETFANMAN and his super massive k/d
>>336972480
Add shield like pink hair lady
Remove health
Add either minor spread or minor transformation delay so thought on position is actually required.
Done
Ults take a shit ton longer to charge, like to where people will only get one at the most per game.
Mei no longer has a slow and stun outside of her ult.
Everyone has double the HP so they aren't all made of glass.
>>336972686
>Ults take a shit ton longer to charge, like to where people will only get one at the most per game.
Besides Zens right? He fucking needs to it be useful in shit like payload
>>336972583
Theres areas in maps, especually enclosed ones, where that isn't fesable. What do you suggest?
>>336972502
>you can shoot s76
>Genji is easy to avoid if you're aware of your surroundings and hear him yell his chink gibberish
>you can avoid bastion
>you can shoot Reaper, his deathrose is strictly horizontal
>etc
do I need to continue?
>>336961465
I would buff Torbjorn & Bastion. In their current state they have been useless for months. I would also bring back Roadhogs ability to pull Reinhardt by hitting the middle of the shield. Reinhardt would no longer be top tier if he had this back.
>>336972770
Launch grenades from far away as junkrat or orb of descorb and play peek a boo as zen.
>>336972783
Hmm, let's see
>you can not group together like a bunch of retards
There, tracer gets 1 kill max in the ult unless everyone groups together
>>336972783
>Reaper phases in and prepares to blossom shot
>GENJI USED DEFLECT!
>Reaper's fucked.
Genji counters like..75% of the ults.
>>336972832
aslong as they either nerf is damage or remove his self heal. replace heal with like an oil slick or something.
It should be like 20 bucks at most and free at best
This shit will die out fast with a 40 dollar price point, and also Blizzard pushed the price up for AUD for the base version (40 USD [50 AUD] is apparently 70 AUD) which doesn't help things
>>336972993
Genji also counters Tracer's ult
>>336972658
Yes
>>336973105
>Genji also counters Tracer's ult.
How?
By double jumping when she throws the sticky towards your ass?
>>336973105
He refelcts the sticky? Kek
>>336973167
It reflects the grenade
>>336972673
Support and skill cards exist, anon.
You could vote for those instead.
>>336973056
Nz land here. It's only 80 for origin edition here?
>>336972686
>Ults take a shit ton longer to charge, like to where people will only get one at the most per game.
Depends on the character, some ults aren't an I win button you know.
>>336973249
90 AUD for origins edition, 60 USD [81 AUD] in America, so that can be excusable
But it is like an extra 20 AUD for buying the base version and all the shills on reddit say it's tax
>>336973053
He needs the 360 aiming and the shield. His repair is useless when hit in the head. In his current state he's a waste of space.
>>336973372
Games normally cost a fuck ton there though
>>336961465
Nerf Widowmaker, she has literally everything a sniper could want in an FPS with none of the downsides. Huge damage, Retarded rate of fire that allows 2 shot kills on anyone but tanks, huge clip so no reloads needed if she rolls a team in quick succesion, and to top it all off they thought it would be a good idea to add a wallhack ult in a game where everyones movespeed is slow as shit and the maps are chokepoints. She's the most egregious shit in the game.
I'd change her ult to provide wallhacks for her team but not her so communication is needed instead of this free bullshit on someone who can 1-shot people.
As far as game-wide changes go, Ults need to charge. There isn't a single scenario where they will ever be balanced. Maps themselves need a huge rework because every single cap-point map is a series of chokepoints with one alternate route, and defense always has a significant advantage on the last point. Either the attacking team ults them down or outplays them significantly or they lose.
>>336961465
I'd nerf Hanzo's ultimate a little bit. The only character that can wreck you across walls.
Remove affirmative action.
>>336972673
Normally theres a elimination, support, objective and one other card though? Unles everyones shit
>>336968042
Human Highlight film
>>336973372
Wait, where are you looking for 60usd version? On battlenet when i go to purchase the base edition it is $40usd?( around 50 somthing nzd)
>>336973467
Hanzos ult only has 2 useful moments in comp. Ult the attackers on points, or aim in the direction of their spawn.
>>336973473
Affirmative action?
>>336964695
>nerf bad heroes
>buff good heroes
Retarded
>>336973556
Base version is 40 USD (Converts to about 52 AUD) or 70 AUD
Origins Edition is 60 USD (Converts to 81 AUD) or 90 AUD
My main gripe is the amount of extra money you have to pay for the base version, which is unnaturally high even after the australia tax meme
>>336962710
>>336963001
Junkrat
Even after you're dead, so it Bastion
>>336973619
Thats basically how pubs are using it too?
>>336961465
Make Roadhog x Junkrat canon
>>336973664
>Symmetra
>Good
b8. I mean her shield shit is free, but at the same time, so's picking Reinhardt and being an OP cunt
Remove mccree or the flashbang
>>336973734
Don't you dare ruin Junkrat like that you degenerate bara faggot fucking kill your self you scum.
>>336973754
In closed beta, Symmetra had the highest winrate in the game
She got nerfed to the state she's in and she's still perfectly viable
>>336973473
>remove affirmative action
you mean the three japanese/coreans(one fully covered in armor), two black men (one whose fully covered in armor), the egypcian and the indian?
Also muscle girl (whose white), blueberry, and the gorilla I guess. That's less than half the cast. Slightly over it if you consider the robots too.
There's still more white people. Like, double ay other.
>>336973734
You gonna share the source on that?
>>336973672
We just live innshit countried for imports i guess
>>336973619
It needs either a damage nerf or needs a distance nerf. The attack is seriously broken as fuck.
>entire team is charging
>Hanzo points his ult in the general direction
>wipes out entire team
>opposing team advances unabated for 5-7 seconds
It can make or break a game depending on timing, whereas for other characters their ults while strong, can't simply do this.
Therefore, I'd nerf Hanzo's ult. Everything else is fine.
>>336964769
You are joking, right? Symmetra is useful as fuck with her right click. You can literally prevent the entire enemy team from using an entrance/passageway by spamming it (or keeping snipers out of nests) and if you actually get attacked by Reinhearts or Zaryas you get free kills.
She also shits on Tracer, Mei, and Genji in close range.
Oh, and everyone on your team gets +25 shields. Not to mention that the teleporter is pretty much the best thing in the entire game for most maps.
The only change I would make to her would be to give her turrets a *bit* more range. Not much, maybe just another 3-5 yards.
>>336966671
>found the shitter
>Looking in the mirror
>>336964354
she already is outside the mech
literally teacer but with no blinks and no recall. literally useless
>>336973797
Fuck man thats rough. Maybe i should prepurchase now before they change ours to align with that price
>>336973880
Hanzo is fine dumbass
>>336973809
>Symmetra had the highest winrate in the game because even now, people don't look up until the kill-cam faggotry that ruins sentry placements gives shit away
RIP. A shame.People nerf before learning..
>>336973461
She dies if you sneeze at her, git gud
>>336973880
>Getting hit by the fuck huge dragons
Those are Hanzos right or what is his again I forget about it it's not even that big of a deal
>>336973734
Reported
>>336973986
Actually she got nerfed because of her shields and teleporter
>>336974000
>The git gud response to a character with 200 HP like most of the cast but also has a getaway built in, not to mention wallhacks that allows you to see her coming
Her counter is another sniper, that's it. Kiddos like you aren't playing against the higher level when she really becomes broken as all shit.
>>336973828
>>336973630
All my drops are for the nigger
>>336974072
How does her teleporter work?
Do people just spawn on her?
>>336973978
No way senpai. At least a distance nerf where damage is 0.5x beyond a certain range should be applied.
>>336974150
Her ultimate places down a teleporter exit at a location she chooses
The entrance is in the spawn room so that respawning heroes can return to the battlefield quickly
This is a game-changer
>>336961465
Let orb of harmony go on more then once person and make it heal for 40 or 50 a tick.
>>336974150
You put a tele in a secure location close to your attack objective. Everyone now can use the teleporter back at spawn, to teleport to this location; skipping like 10-15 seconds of walking/running.
It's 12/10 ult, but she's pure support. Trying to fight with her is absolute retardation.
Delete all the memespouting
>>336974184
>No way senpai.
Yes way
It's slow, huge, and telegraphed by angry Japanese yelling
Acquire skill, baka
>>336970032
This desu. even just shoe-horn it in at first, say it's replaying people's experiences from that first omnic crisis or whatever.
>>336965076
>alalalalalalalalalalalah
>>336974269
>Mercy + Zenyatta on a team
Broken as fuck combo, especially when he does his ult. Then you just use damage boost on a good Widowmaker player or a good Pharah player, and thas it man; everyone get rekt.
>>336974269
either one or the other bruh, not both.
>>336974454
They could make it so the healing goes down the more people you have the orbs on and also limit your ammo supply.
>>336965567
Hanzo arrow hit box is massive compared to widow
>>336965076DESIGNATED
>>336973975
Aussies always have to pay more for vidya, their prices are hiked up to fucking infinity for some reason
>>336972686
Ults would still be broken and most matches would come down to people saving them for the final push.
Ults are fundamentally broken and this game will forever be in this unsatisfying state.
>>336974993
>Ults are fundamentally broken
t. shitter scrub
>>336974801
widow also is hitscane, while hanzo isn't
>>336974993
Nigga ults are really easy avoid though
>>336961465
Tone down McCree's damage. It's way too fucking high.
I just want Ranked mode to be "No duplicate allowed"
>>336963065
Why would Junkrat be nerfed? He seems pretty balanced imo.
>>336975087
>ults are easy to avoid
>the entire pro scene revolves around ults
LOL
I would add a way for me to gift the game to my poorfag fucking friends
seriously blizzard what the hell it's 2016
>>336963001
you can phara bastion pretty hard. Jump over him and left click him to death.
>>336975237
Most pros switch heroes frequently
Switching heroes resets your ult meter
At least know what the fuck you're talking about
>>336975163
Why would it do that? It literally does nothing
This game is so fucked, fixing it would basically be making a new game. It should just stay a casual shitfest.
>>336975065
Widow hitbox is also massive, honestly the map design, her rate of fire and everyones movespeed make her broken as shit. Any retard can pick her up and score easy as shit kills.
>>336975054
>>336975087
Every single pro game comes down to who ults better, there is no outplaying. Its who pressed Q at the right time.
>>336975237
Nigga they fucking are
>Hanzos dodge the fucking dragons
>Reaper get the fuck away
>Junkrat shoot the tier
>Reinhart get to his sides
They aren't fucking hard you just have to be prepared.
>>336973680
>accidentally allah akbar'd a bastion nest as Junkrat
>my face
double conc jumps make it even better
>>336975163
you can set that in custom games, all the "competitive" games are running up to 3 winstons,or mccree's and double lucio on koth
>>336975309
Haha no they don't, they run the cancer comp that steamrolls points. Before the zen nerf it was always 2 genji/tracers, a sym a zen and a mercy with a reinhardt. Now its just Zarya, Hanzo/mcree, mercy, lucio and rein. Its stack ults and wipe.
>>336975343
>Every single pro game comes down to who ults better, there is no outplaying.
So whoever utilizes their heroes abilities the best is the winner?
Sounds like outplaying to me anon
>>336975362
>rein get to his sides
His ult basically happens instantly
At this point its obvious you're making shit up
>>336975490
>pressing Q is outplaying
>>336975559
>clicking left mouse button is outplaying
>>336975632
>Having to actually aim at people isn't skillful play
Jesus christ the retarded things people type on this site.
>>336975559
techincally any kind of outplaying in video game requires pressing a button. Unless the outplay is standing still.
>>336961465
remove Q. Cull 1/3rd of the characters and add alternate loadouts for those that are left. Add a lot more maps. Add 8 hour minimum single player campaign or drop the price to 10$. Up that tickrate.
>>336975343
Whats worse is how stale the 'pro' scene already is.
Players will flock to it for now, aslong as blizzard starts to inject money into it (which they will for blizzcon at a min).
>>336972251
I'm a Mei player and I think this is the best fix for her.
This means you still get to shit on low HP fast characters (that she is meant to counter) but you can't kill the bigger targets just as easy.
>>336973986
>play defence
>2 symmetras, bastion, torj, rein and firstpick-widow turd who afked whole match
>enemy team didn't even exit the spawn
Just yesterday
>>336962440
This isn't really an issue. It works ok in the random mode and most one sided games are a result of RNG rolling a team with terrible balance.
That's something that needs to be fixed in the random mode. The game should look at the team composition and at least try to balance rolls.
>>336975712
>my button presses take skill, your button presses are casual
>>336961465
I'd make sure fusionator and soundquake get released on he same time as release
>>336975734
The tick rate is 60
>>336964013
>>buff everyone I main, including reaper
lol It's pretty obvious isn't it?
>>336963854
Some goofy nonsense in this.
>>336974145
Your just unlucky bud. That being said, wish it went on average char used for that level increase
>>336975874
No, it isn't anon because its only 60 for sending information, but 20 for receiving from the server. Since many aspects are not clientside, this is pretty fucking awful.
>>336975791
Neat.
I'm bored of Overwatch and being sniped by the no-lives with 700 hours of Widowmaker only, though.
I never find these shitter widows I hear so much about.
>>336974276
...she has some of the most damaging weapons in the game. One of them doesn't require any aiming and the other ignores shields altogether (both projected shields and shields on HP bars). She can kill people just fine.
>>336975324
We have 21 heroes. There is no reason why a team should be 5 Zarya and a Healer.
>>336963001
Bastion is pretty easy to kill as Widowmaker or Phara. I 2.5 hit them.
>>336976214
Fucking this.
>Lure retards into my no skill laser pits.
>Fire a charged orb as they round the corner
>Circle and run through them while holding left click as the damage goes up.
PLAY OF THE GAME.
>Consider for half a minute what hero I should bother trying since loss is inevitable.
>Kicked for inactivity
Damn, if you so much as THINK about wasting a little time, you're out.
>>336976336
Even at level 30+ I run into Reinhearts that just don't know what to do when they start getting 2 shot right through their full HP shield.
>>336976386
Did you seriously take 5 minutes to pick a character?
Are you legally declared as a mentally handicapped person?
>>336976489
>Never fight these bad Reinhardts that don't have a Tracer and a 76 hanging off his dick at all times and actually die to any Symmetra shit.
>>336976542
It was literally 45 seconds.
When I'm on a team that's losing rapid fast, I don't care nearly as much since there's no point to bother. I don't have the means to make the win happen.
>>336976558
A Reinheart shielding buddies is one that isn't moving fast enough to dodge your fully charged right click, which you can fire off while only exposing yourself for a split second.
>>336976090
> widow mains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFJfirnuBEg
>>336976823
I seriously hope blizzard gets off their asses and has actual anti-cheat. I've played against a dozen aim-botting widows over the beta and it really illuminates how broken she is if you can land shots.
>>336976219
5-6 of the same hero is a negative not a positive. Since every hero has a hard counter all you would have to do is just pick a different hero and that would take care of it. Having a whole team of one hero is never a problem. That is some bronze shit.
>>336977016
>Since every hero has a hard counter all you would have to do is just pick a different hero and that would take care of it.
>Myself being good enough to actually beat the character / player that I'm supposed to be hard countering
>Implying.
You're right. I'm Bronze-tier shit and since they're a gimmick premade that can coordinate a mono<X> team, they can coordinate better than my team.
>>336976386
Just have an AFK aversion macro. mash wasdwsadwdaswsda and have it repeat. It's what I do when the match is retarded and impossible
>>336976996
Blizzard employee here.
I work with Warden on the Overwatch team. We've logged accounts and are going to toss out a ban wave on the 10th. We also temporarily hired the guy who programmed the aimbot to help us detect it easier.
Keeping Overwatch cheater free is the number one priority at the moment for us. We expected this much during a free open beta, it shouldn't be as bad during release.
I apologize in advanced for not being able to do anything immediate, but we require permissions from several higher ups before we can take action.
>>336977631
I can't tell if this is satire or not I hope it's not.
>>336977631
>Keeping Overwatch cheater free is the number one priority at the moment for us.
Not
>Content that'll actually make the game last beyond a month for non-tournament/ranked-savvy players.
Good for you though. The people -as good as the aimbots- will just kill your game!That is, if you're to be believed.
>>336966212
waaaah why can't i dominate kids online to feel better about myself
>>336977801
You act like Blizzard won't be adding more maps and heroes in the future
>>336964517
weakest healer but a broken support and anti-tank.
>try to get out using genji's dash
>die at the end of it
>kill cam shows me not dashing at all
fucking
>>336977801
>Content that'll actually make the game last beyond a month for non-tournament/ranked-savvy players.
That isn't my job, I work with Warden. The content team does have several new classes in testing at the moment though. My favorite is the Sam Fisher like character who has a vanish and can climb on walls and stay there.
>>336977757
>I can't tell if this is satire or not I hope it's not.
Believe what you will, I'm only relaying whats going to happen. I'm getting tired of our customer service reps yelling at us during break for all the tickets about supposed aimbotters. Watching videos of supposed cheaters is tiring and takes time away from creating counter measures.
>>336977972
I'd love it if they increased his hp by 50, made his harmony orb the way it used to be, but nerfed its healing based on distance away from Zen. Discord can stay the same.
I'd even take a slight damage nerf to him as well, I love his play-style but they gutted him too hard because pros abused him.
Is Genji op?
I played him yesterday for the first time, at first I sucked ass because he dies really fast if you don't move and time your skills right. But then a couple of hours in I got 45 killstreak. Admittedly I got a decent Mercy supporting, but still, isn't that like a fucking lot?
Not to mention this all happened on ps4 with its retarded controller absolutely unfit for fast slash-180-daggers or wallrun slashes
