Now that the dust has settled what's the best souls game and why is it bloodborne?
Now that the memes have memed, we can say that my opinion>your opinion, everytime, forever.
Thank you, goodnight.
Now that the memes have memed, we can say that my opinion>your opinion, everytime, forever.
Bloodborne and Dark 3 are fairly close.
I think Bloodborne wins it, though. Everything in Bloodborne was just so well done, they really outdid themselves there.
Now that the memes have memed, we can say that my opinion>your opinion, everytime, forever.
Best is Bloodborne. DaS3 is runner up.
>>336951972
DS2. hands down. In my subjective opinion, have recentley repalyed all of the souls game so no nostalgia
Dark Souls.
Das > BB > Das3 > Des >>>> Das2
Objectively best ranking
DS2
Bloodborne wins followed closely by Das3
>>336952898
I like how many directions you could go from the start
DS2 > DS3 >DS1
DS3 will almost definitely overtake 2 once its DLC is released.
DeS > DS3 > BB > DaS2 > DaS1
>>336953063
>souls
>souls
>borne
>>336953362
when?
>>336951972
Slashy Souls
>>336953174
I agree with this
>>336953362
>tfw best headpiece didn't come back in DaS3
DAMMIT MIYAZAKI GIVE ME MY ALDIA WARLOCK MASK
>>336951972
DaS1>>>>DaS3>BB>DeS>DaS2
Nothing will ever trump Dark Souls 1. It had enough atmosphere to fill fifteen games, characters that are timeless, a great story, etc. It did everything perfectly.
>>336954301
It was a mediocre drip compared to every From game released before and after it. Take off those rose tinted glasses, anon.
>>336954301
If lost izalith and bed of chaos weren't the biggest piles of cancer in vidya then this would be considered fact and not opinion
>>336951972
>what's the best souls game
The first one you played
>>336951972
>best lore
>best weapons
>best combat
>best level design
>best atmosphere
>best gameplay
>best DLC
>best bosses
>best movesets
Literally the only complaint is muh build variety, which is silly because playing casters in souls has always been shitty.
>>336951972
BB is fine up until the slog that is Yarhagul and Nightmare of Mensis
>>336954434
Not that guy but I feel the same way. I'm replaying DaS for the 4th time right now after finishing DS3
DsS > BB > DS3 > DeS >>> DS2
>>336954538
but I started with DS1 and it's my least favorite
>>336954538
Simply not true if you have a shred of discerning taste.
First: Dark Souls
Best: Bloodborne
>>336954865
Then you're one of the very few sensible fans of the series.
>>336954582
I'd say DaS beats it in terms of level design
and DS3 beats it in terms of bosses
and DS2 beats it in terms of movesets
comprehensively though, I'd say BB is still the best game
It's a meme to act like DS2 is a terrible game
It's also a meme to act like DS2 isn't clearly the worst game of the series
BB > DaSIII > DeS > DaS >>>>> DaSII
>>336954436
I don't think any From game can really approach the level of craft and effort that went into designing the first half of DaS
A handful of small, shitty areas at the end don't really take away from that.
>>336951972
>why is it BB?
same reason DeS outclassed DaSSony Japan Studios, thats why
Was going to play them all again but somehow my PSN account doesn't exist anymore.
Fucking Sonyshits. I just want to play DeS.
I remember DaS1 being the best. DaS3 really limits you character wise I feel. Don't have a PS4, I may get one if Nioh and that Killzone MH game are good.
>>336954954
>DaS1
best world design
best NPCs
best heavy armor
>DaS2
best online connectivity
best weapon/armor variety
best dual-wield system
>DaS3
best individual level design
best bosses
best combat mechanics
>BB
best setting
best lore
best weapons
>>336954436
meh DS2 and DS3 had their equivalent areas
>>336951972
now that the dust has settled, stop making "which is better" threads and just talk about what made the games great.
shit.
>>336955329
This guy is reasonable. Especially so for excluding DeS from any accolades.
>>336955425
Name one from DaS3. The only remotely bad one that comes to mind is Profaned Capital which is still better than Izalith.
Nioh
>>336955329
I mostly agree. Although each of them have their own great NPCs, barring Bloodborne maybe.
Only point I completely disagree with is that Demon's Souls definitely had the best world design and atmosphere. Boletaria just can't be beat.
Now that the memes have memed, we can say that my opinion>your opinion, everytime, forever.
>>336954954
>DS3 beats it in terms of bosses
>>336955329
I can agree with this
>>336955843
DaS3 has the best bosses in the series, deal with it
>>336953362
>DS2 >
Just stop
>>336955329
I'd give Bloodborne best Atmosphere and DaS2 best DLC. But beyond that, I agree 100%.
>>336956281
atmosphere is a part of the setting
>>336953174
des is too low in this list
Never played Bloodborne
Gameplay
DaS>>>DaS3>DeS>>>>>>DaS2
Atmosphere
DeS>>DaS>>>DaS2=DaS3
Story
DeS>DaS>DaS3>>>>DaS2
Difficulty
DaS3>>DaS=DaS2>DeS
Online Play
DaS>DeS>>DaS3>DaS2
Fanbase
DeS>>>>>DaS2=DaS3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DaS
>>336956249
DS3 had some great bosses like Abyss Watchers and Pontiff, and I don't think it had any really bad bosses, but I don't think it reached the highs of Bloodborne.
Bloodborne had some bland bosses, but I don't think it had any bad bosses outside the chalices. Its good bosses were amazing, too.
I can see why you'd like Dark Souls 3 more, since we can't just base it on the basic gameplay quality. Some people just prefer the style or setting from one to the other. If you dislike victorian settings you're more likely to prefer Dark Souls to Bloodborne, and vice versa.
Dark 3's DLC may end up being even better than BB's (though I think it has a real challenge there), so we'll have to wait and see.
>>336956249
some of the*
it have a lot of shitty ultra easy bosses too that ds1 and bb don't have, god even demon's souls bosses like phallanx and vanguard and some from ds1 like pinwheel are harder than some of the first ds3 bosses
>>336956554
>ds2 fanbase not being the worst
>ds2 ''atmosphere'' on the same tier as ds2
>des on easier list on difficulty
kill you're self
>>336955689
Smouldering Lake is pretty shit.
Large open area filled with weirdly textured trees.
Giant crossbow and worm which you just walk past.
Corridors followed by more corridors.
You could tell me it was the catacombs and I would of bought it.
Fire birds are the only new enemy
Goat people followed by curse lizard creatures and wheel skeletons, fuck it lets put some more giant crabs in as well
Boss can be kited easier than most mmo mobs
At least Lost Izalith was filled with new enemies and felt like a new area.
>>336956554
Shit taste kill yourself
>>336953174
Quality taste, BB is very close second
>>336955843
It did the BB thing where every single Boss had some neat little gimmick and multiple stages to the fight.
But on top of that, you had fights like the Champ, Nameless King, Lothric Princes, Soul of Cinder, Pontiff Sully, Abyss Watchers. Which were honestly up there with the best bossfights from the DaS/DS2/BB dlc.
DS3 blew me away in terms of bossfights. Really excited to see how they'll top themselves with the DLC
>>336956554
>Gameplay
>DaS>>>DaS3>DeS>>>>>>DaS2
This is just objectively wrong, simply due to the fact that 3 came out 5 years after 1.
Everything else looks fine though, especially the fanbase part.
BB = DaS3 > DeS > DaS >>>>>>>>> DaS2
How'd I do /v/?
>>336956981
>This is just objectively wrong, simply due to the fact that 3 came out 5 years after 1.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making
Gameplay:
BB>DaS3>DaS>DeS
Story:
BB>DaS>DaS3>DeS
Bosses:
BB>DaS3=DaS>DeS
Area design:
DeS>DaS=BB>DaS3
Music:
BB>It doesn't even matter
Overall, I like BB the best. I think All four games have something of value to give. Demon's is low on the list purely because every game afterwards improved on what it did. Demon's, in and of itself, is a fantastic game. It's just that case of the first game being made somewhat obsolete by the sequels.
I used to think that Yhorm the Giant was a bad boss.
Then I did Siegward's questline
>>336957130
He is a bad boss. He's just copy & pasted from DeS
>>336957084
He means that small tweaks in gameplay made 3's gameplay better than Dark's.
I don't think they're all that different, myself. There's little conveniences, like popping multiple souls and stuff like that. But the basic gameplay is pretty much the same, at least to me it seems that way.
Dark 2 really fucked the gameplay, and you can really see and feel it. But Dark and Dark 3 feel decidedly similar.
I'll go by hours played
2 > 1 > 3 > BB > DeS
>>336957084
The point I'm making is that DaS3's gameplay is objectively better than DaS1's as 3 has so many refinements and added complexity that you'd have to be the most retarded of fanboys to think 1 plays better.
>>336957112
>das level design over ds3 and on the same tier as bloodborne
aren't you forgetting about something like, lost izalith, tomb of giants, and seath crystal cave?
>>336953174
I agree almost completely. I'd change it to:
Dark Souls > BB > DS3 = Demon's > DS2
>>336957276
DeS NG+ kicked my butt too.
if bloodborne is so good how come its multiplayer its fucking dead? even dark souls 2 its still active
Doll>Maiden>Herald>Firekeeper
At least Herald had some cute lines in Dragon Aerie and shows some leg, Firekeeper barely says a word and dresses like a prude
>>336957130
Apparently you can hit his arms and head when he's swung to deal high damage.
I wonder if that was their original plan.
>>336957282
Dark Souls had a few stinkers, but the good areas are by far the best in the series.
I think the top three zones in the series are probably Blight Town, Painted World and Central Yharnam.
can't speak to bloodborne because i will 'never ever' own a PS4
but i think DS2 was my favorite
>>336957661
aren't you forgeting someone?
>>336957661
>hoighty hoighty ye cont bearah seek seek lest ya loomux
Herald is shit tier
>>336957661
>bearer seek seek least better than anything
NO
and the firekeeper even have a cool pray or whatever while she levels you, she is much better and don't annoy you
>>336957775
blight town? really? its not fun everything poisons/toxic you and everyone wants to leave it as quickly as possible and never come back
>>336957281
"better" isn't an objective term
when you say objectively better, you sound like an idiot
>>336957661
try doing some gestures around the fire keeper
>>336957894
I don't get the hate for Blight Town. I always thought it was one of the best designed areas in Dark Souls. And I played on PS3.
It's got an intricate design, it's both vertical and horizontal, it's very large, has a lot of enemy types, a lot of connections to other parts of the world it's imposing and challenging. I think it's one of the shining examples of level design in Dark Souls.
The swamp levels are usually very good. Valley of Defilement, Blight Town are both amazing. Nightmare Frontier is pretty good, though it can get old quick.
Farron is a bit less interesting than the others, but still a fun zone.
>>336957856
can she level you up?
no?
fucking thought so.
>>336957889
>>336957894
she's sweet as sugar with her little accent and cute pagan outfit.
>>336958135
I don't get why people love swamp levels, valley of defilement is even worst than blight town
>hey what about walking super slowly, not being able to roll, and being poisoned losing hp and your items only heal half health
>brilliant! i love swamp levels
i seriously don't get it
>>336957661
>Firekeeper barely says a word
Someone never gave her the eyes.
>>336958349
So the toxic, dirty swamp zone is offputting?
Sounds like it's well designed to me.
Although, yes, Demon's could have used a ruster iron ring. That's one flaw, but you don't actually spend that much time in the swamp in Demon's. Most of it is spent in the shanty towns.
>>336958475
the swamp in demon's is giant, its a pain to explore and its so dark. with those giant depraved ones that run super fast and instakill you, how is this fun ?
>>336955689
the archives, more gargoyles. more cheap spellcasters and traps. same boss again the crystal sage
not all that difficult to get through. Visually or design wise not that appealing.
Lore wise... *shrug*
I think someone else mentioned one there, so that's two now. Lothric castle I'd say is pretty underwhelming too
>>336957961
Are you retarded? Are you saying that, as an example, you couldn't say that a graphics card from 2016 would be objectively better than one from 1999? But fine, replace it with superior, greater, improved, of higher quality, whatever you deem to be an objective term in your own stupid little world.
>>336958475
I did, and it was cool, but it's not enough.
Don't get me wrong, she's nice, but she's bland compared to the other three girls.
>>336958802
emerald herald is like the most bland character of the entire series
>>336957350
This is mine.
If Demon's souls isn't #1 on your list you either haven't played it, or you played it after having played the Dark Souls games and you thought you were prepared but it turns out you got your shit pushed in.
>>336958640
I liked Lothric Castle, and the Archives mostly.
It was fun darting around underneath the dragons.
Although it probably could have done with some new Lothric soldier types.
>>336958763
4chan is anonymous
you don't have to feel embarrassed
An objective term has to be measurable. You could say that the graphics card is objectively faster.
What you can't do is drop something subjective and then call it "objective" in an attempt to elevate your opinion.
>>336959014
I played Dark first, but finished Demon's first.
It's good, but the formula it created has been improved on so much.
>shit pushed in
Demon's is the easiest in the series, frankly. Demon's was made before the "prepare to die" meme, so they made it with good design as their priority, rather than the Dark 2 approach of cramming in everything but the kitchen sink to make a room hard.
>>336958949
>bland
that bitch literally tricks you to burn yourself in a kiln(the place where you end the game)
Dark Souls 1 probably has the most annoying levels that put me off playing it again.
Dark Souls 2 is mediocre but it's a bit more consistent and there weren't any levels that I hate going through
Dark Souls 3 is a bit more refined but is overall more linear and has no replayability
>>336959251
no? she just wanted to make you the king to end the curse or some shit
>>336958949
>cute accent
>vibrant, alluring outfit
>meme-spawning dialogue
>followers her own path throughout the game(I got chills seeing her waiting by the doorway after meeting Vendrick)
I have my reasons for loving what I love
>>336958640
Archives were great
>dipping your head in wax to get around the books
>scaling the rooftops from the outside
>tracking down the Crystal Sage and getting revenge, after he pelted you for the entire stage
>getting to that one bridge that you've been able to see since the tutorial stage
>accosted by angel knights
>climbing the rafters dropping into the birdcage and
maybe you're burnt out on the series
>>336952426
/thread
>>336959251
you can't even do that, there is no bonfire or anything you just sit in the throne
and i didnt understood shit she said, she was saying a lot of wtf things and in the ending she appears from nowhere and says ''i have something to tell you i am a dragon experiment something'' and i was like bitch what the fuck why are you even telling me this, i don't understand anything of what the firekeeper says either about vessels and blabla, i get what she means but its so boring, but at least she dont have more dialogues like this one, she don't bother you, she could be much better, but its still much better than emerald.
>>336959494
yea she looks good until you first talk with her
>>336959494
she is a defenseless dragon woman whatever i dont want her following me to annoy me, she should had stayed safe at majula like wtf how she even got in this places without being killed
>>336959193
Wow jeez Anon, obviously I'm not going to fully elaborate on how the gameplay is better to you in a post on 4chan, I'm going to use a broad term to get my point across. But sure, go full autist on me.
>>336960129
>obviously I'm not going to fully elaborate on how the gameplay is better
why not?
do you have something better to do with your time?
CANON ENDINGS
>DaS1
link the fire
>DaS2
Aldia end
>DaS3
Usurpation of Fire
>BB
Childhood's beginning
>>336959193
Congrats on your bait working well on the other guy, but damn you sound like someone who was proven wrong and is just desperately trying to earn enough time for their brain to think about a reply
DaS3 is obviously programmed better and that makes it an objectively better game (on the technical level)
>>336960462
Nah not really just farming the Purpals covenant but even so, that's still a better use of my time than arguing semantics with some pedantic Anon.
>>336951972
>2016
>still thinks Bloodborne is a Souls game
>>336960604
How do we know that's BB's canon ending?
Why does everyone love BB so much?
I thought it was fairly mediocre.
Is it $400 buyer's remorse?
Whos the armor guy for Dark Souls 3? Like, what's the set for it that is supposed to be boxart average player knight?
>>336959307
>bit more consistent and there weren't any levels that I hate going through
what a pleb
>>336960873
You sound like a teenaged girl, trying to defend her use of the word "literally" as an intensifier
better is a subjective term
objectively better is an oxymoron
Take it back to the graphics card metaphor if you have to. Speed isn't the only consideration when looking for a graphics card. Is it supported by drivers? How hot does it run? will it fit inside your case? how much does it cost?
These are all objective qualities that inform which card is subjectively best for you.
>>336961530
knight set
>>336956554
>Gameplay
>DaS>>>DaS3>DeS>>>>>>DaS2
How is it even possible to think this when 3 is a direct improvement of 1's gameplay. Stop shitposting.
>>336961530
firelink armor
>>336961439
because good hunter deserves it
>>336961616
Yeah but that's final boss, not really player character.
>>336956907
>tfw Ocelotte, Child of Dragons
>tfw Primordial Hydra
>>336961664
>he doesn't know
>>336961595
No poise.
>>336961569
There's also technology and progress
I don't care if you have amazing drivers, your Radeon 9500 can NOT compete with a modern r9 Fury because the structure and technology have ages of progress between them
So the R9 fury is objectively better than the Radeon 9500
If that tickles your autism it's more advanced but more advanced means it's better
And even if you go by "but the r9 fury costs a lot" it's still better than not being able to run The sims with an acceptable framerate
>>336958802
>that pic
dafuq is that ??
is that from the dlc ?
>>336958949
but she's c-cute.
>>336951972
Because Japan Studio.
From by themselves are incompetent. Japan Studio by themselves are incompetent. But together, they keep each other on the right track.
>>336961736
>tfw he has a cloaking mechanic like Priscilla
>tfw he was afraid of, and hid from, his mad father
He's being built up for the dlc, just like Ludwig was.
>>336961736
>>tfw Ocelotte, Child of Dragonswill be first male firekeeper
>>336962206
It's unused concept art, remember DaS2 had a barely held together web of half completed areas and abandoned ideas.
>How to fix DS3
>Add poise back into the game, fix poise values for all weapon types
>Give blue eye orb to darkmoon blade and add sinner system back into the game
>Make it so darkmoon warriors dont aggro the enemies in the host world
>Increase stamina drain on rolling and R1 attacks
>Let kicks automatically guard break shields so greatshield turtlers get nerfed
>Fix physical damage absorption, armor does almost fucking nothing
>Make it so people who use dried finger can be invaded in area where the boss was already killed
>Buff sorceries
>Fix stat gain before 40 and reduce it after 40
>Remove the auto-banning system and let us use the DS1 watchdog-like system instead
>Give more incentive to go to NG+
thats everything off the top of my head
BB > DaS = DaS3 > DeS >>> DaS2
Quite literally the only correct answer.
>>336962007
You're failing to basic the basic tenets of objectivity and subjectivity. If something needs to be qualified, then it is not objective.
Good, bad, better, best, worse, worst are not measures, they are qualities. Something cannot be "better" in the absence of qualifiers.
You can measure when something is faster. You can measure when something is smaller. You can measure when something runs hotter. Its up to the individual to take these measures and determine how it informs their view of what makes something good or bad.
>mfw we're years from playing DeS and BB at 60fps without that shitty blur
>mfw we're never playing DeS 6th archstone DLC
Because I spend $500 on it
If a soulsborne game has a number after it it's mediocre. If it doesn't it's great.
I liked dark souls 1 and bloodborne the best. Both those games best captured what I genuinely liked about the souls series: exploring a mysterious, destroyed world. Obviously all the games are like this, but dks1 and BB were the games that made me care about the world around me the most.
It's probably because dks1 was my first souls game, and bloodborne was the first souls game to do something "new", as in the setting and style.
>Ocelotte, Child of Dragons
>Ocelotte, the Immortal Scion
>Ocelotte, the Furtive Prince
>Ocelotte, Bastard of Lothric
most interesting part of the new lore honestly
>>336961450
Everything about it is fluid as fuck.
The world is crafted amazingly, the bosses are arguably the best in the series, the challenge (especially if you choose to do high end chalices) is unrivaled in the series, the weapons are amazing, the story is at least on par with DaS, the combat is faster paced but just as deep...
Souls is an amazing series, all of them. BB just has that little something extra.
>>336963385
>not Londor
>not the Profaned Capital and the Profaned Flame
>not the Deep
>not the implied Lothric Civil War, and the involvement of the Serpents therein
>it's the invisible babby
anon, no
>>336961450
the setting, the writing, the themes of the narrative, the hype and chaos around the initial leak, the wheel, the fact they hid the lovecraftian second half from us in the marketing, with only glimpse of Ebrietas and Amygdala in the prereleae material, the challenge, the roguelike dungeons, the doll, the viscerals, the quickstep, the fashion, the SOUNDTRACK, Ludwig etc.
my most beloved game
>>336962976
So you're saying that if you're playing the game at 10 frames 800x600 ini modded minimum and I'm playing it at 120 frames 4k ultra my game is not objectively better than yours?
>>336959014
Demons is by far the easiest in the series. Only area I found difficult was 4-2.
>>336953174
jokes aside, this is indeed the true ranking. at least someone is not being stupid on this thread.
>>336955142
>he never played King's Field 4
The entire game makes the first half of DaS look like garbage.
>>336963563
we'll see friend, I'm still learning the lore, the Deep just seems like a Lovecraftian interpretation of the abyss though so eh.
>the Profaned Capital and the Profaned Flame
you mean the several buildings in that cave that's supposed to be a city? if so haha
>>336964029
>60 metacritic score
>>336953174
DaS is too high.
>>336963704
I bet you can answer your own question if you go back and read my previous posts.
hint: is "good" an objective term?
>>336962582
Orphan of Kos 2.0?
>mfw there will be only 2 DLC
I want DLC for every Lord of Cinder.
I want Aldrich DLC and explanation about the Deep. Also, more Darth Pope douchebaggery.
I want DLC about Profaned Capital and Yhorm.
Abyss Watchers and morerememeber Artorias? fanservice bulshit. Just add Ciaran tracers, From.
Lothric and Ocelotte.
Ludleth -true ending.
>>336964560
>Askin a question as an answer for another question
That's all the evidence I needed
ORIGINAL TIER
DAS > BB > DES
SEQUEL TIER
DAS2 > DAS3
>>336965221
I really don't think I can explain this any clearer. You sound like you're being sincere, but you don't really get it.
Why don't you tell me what you think the definition of "better" is?
>>336953174
>implying
DaS > BB > DeS > DaS 2 > DaS 3
>>336965583
Of a superior quality, improved
You're not going to deny DaS3 has a superior quality and isn't an improvement over DaS1 are you?
>bloodborne
>souls game
pick one
>>336965938
>Of a superior quality
hey, we're getting somewhere
Now, can you tell me the difference between a quality and a quantity?
Here's a fun thought experiment. Pretend I knew nothing about Dark Souls 1 or 3. If you told me Dark Souls 3 was a better game, without explaining why, do you think I would have any idea what you were talking about?
What additional information would I need before your statement meant anything to me?
>>336966135
One of these retarded assholes in every thread...
>>336953174
Demon souls is easily third place
DaS3 >BB = DaS > DS2
Bloodborne loses to Dark souls 3 because the bosses are generic as fuck (oh, another giant werewolf monster.. cool), only a few weapons are good, and it runs like shit.
>>336952426
t. pcuck
>Ghostbusters '16 came out 32 years after the original
>therefore it is the objectively better movie
>Hey, boss, I think we should bring something of consequence back from DS2 what do you think it should be?
>Giantu Seedu.
>Really? I think it should be Power Sta-
>NO POWEL STANCE, GIANTU SEEDU ONRY.
>>336964029
No it doesn't. It's interconnected sure but how much sequence breaking are you going to do in King's Field 4? None.
>>336966549
KEK XDDD HAHAH LOL!
>>336966206
Dark Souls 3 is more advanced, has more models on screen, more improved graphics quality (shaders, shadows, textures, particles, LOD and so on), improved dodging and hitboxes coding, improved models quality and quantity, improved graphics settings and so on
These points make DaS1 an improvement over DaS3 which means DaS3 is TECHNICALLY better
You can see how I didn't hit any subjective points like music, boss fights, pacing, builds development, art direction, localization, hud design, sound design, weapons variety, animation variety, enemy design and so on
Can we all agree that;
BB > Das > Das2 > DeS > DaS3.
Seriously, DaS3 is the objectively worst entry in the series. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad, but it literally brings nothing new to the table, lacks in the atmosphere department, PvP sucks balls and many of the great features DaS2 had have been removed.
Also, diversity feels WORSE than Bloodborne somehow. Probably because of all the reused armor sets and weapons. Why not play the real Dark Souls instead of a game that literally just jerks it off?
>>336967139
I'll agree with that.
>>336964047
The Profaned Flame is interesting because it's kind of like the Abyss and the Chaos had a baby.
I just wanna say that I found Dark Souls 3 really dissapointing
FOR WHAT FUCKING PURPOSE DO YOU PUT THREE OF THESE FUCKS IN A TINY ASS ROOM
I'M NOT DEALING WITH THEIR FUCKING BULLSHIT GRAB BOXES
SO YOU MAKE ME BAIT THEM OUT THROUGH THE DOOR ALL WHILE MAKING SURE TOXIC DOESN'T BUILD UP BECAUSE THAT SHIT LASTS FOR HOURS
LITERALLY WORSE THAN THE FUCKING JAILER PARTY
>>336967139
This is the true patrician taste, but I doubt many will agree.
>>336967890
They bleed real easy. I put some rouge on an uchigatana and they died in 4 hits.
>>336951972
After going back from DS3, I can fully appreciate what a piece of shit DS1 was. A downgrade from Demon's in every single way.
DeS > BB > DS2 > DS3 > DS1
Top 3 are as follows;
Demon's Souls
Dark Souls
Bloodborne
>>336951972
It's Cuphead!
>>336968036
Yeah found that out myself when I had some carthus leftover.
But holy shit they gave me DS2 Ogre PTSD.
>It's a claim DeS is the best because it was the first even though literally every game after it improved immensely, post
The game is not hard when I'm piling up five different stacks of grass.
>>336959014
You're blinded by nostalgia. Demon's Souls is awesome, but lets face it; From were experimenting until they eventually birthed Dark Souls, a much more refined concept.
>>336968036
Or just spam kukris from the doorway.
>>336966512
>oh, another giant werewolf monster
Did you get past the first 3 levels?
>only a few weapons are good
Literally every weapon in the game is equally viable
>it runs like shit
I'll give you that, but at least it has the explanation of being on weak hardware. DaS3 runs like shit on a high-end gaming PC while also looking worse than Bloodborne.
You guys never get tired of this, uh?
>>336961530
Firelink, however this time it's different as the armor is actually a twisted amalgam of a bunch of armors that the final boss wears.
-Demon's Souls is the best in the series, easily. It is a masterpiece of a game, and a giant "fuck you" to predictable game design in virtually every way. Nothing will ever compare.
-Dark Souls streamlined some things but was still largely similar to Demon's Souls. Not as good, but a worthy successor that kept most of its predecessor's best features intact.
-Dark Souls 2 streamlined far too much, was predictable as hell, fucked up scaling, shitty spells, inferior level design, bland PVP and samey bosses. Still an immensely fun game despite all these problems, but that's more of a testament to the games it was based on rather than the game itself.
-Dark Souls 3 is like 2 but better in most ways, while still inferior to the first two games.
No PS4 so I can't comment on BB.
>>336968506
BB pretty good, bro, and that's from a guy who loved Demon's Souls and Dark Souls.
>>336968287
The more "refined" Souls gets, the worse it gets.
>>336968235
Difficulty was never the core design focus of Demon's Souls (or Dark Souls as far as I'm aware)
>>336953174
Honest question: why is Dark Souls 2 considered so bad? I just picked it up about a week ago as my first venture into the Souls series and I have been having a lot of fun. If there's better ones I'd rather be playing those, but I want to know why.
>>336951972
i'll remember this format for when I want (OP)s and 500+ replies.
>>336968765
I dunno, I remember buying Demon's Souls the day it came out with knowing nothing about it.
I was amazed at being punished for sucking.
You lose max HP for being bad, and you get rewarded for being good.
That's all about difficulty.
>>336951972
Because a lot of obivious care and detail went into Bloodborne and it has the best combat whil still having a better interconnected world design than DS2 or DS3. Trick Weapons are very satisfying to use and none of them feel like shit despite there being fewer weapons overall, even then the DLC basically doubles the weapon count and has some of the best areas and fights in the series, not that the vanilla game was lacking in thoes either.
>>336968765
Yes it was. Or do you honestly think the "it's there for the sense of accomplishment" approach isn't something that's extremely common among developers who make difficult games?
>>336958475
Oh boy she gets a few more things of dialogue and will endlessly tell me to kill her if I don't want the betrayal ending. Fuck-a-doodle-doo.
>>336951972
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Was anyone else surprised Aldrich wasnt some gross blobby thing like he was in the opening cutscene?
>>336953174
I'm ok with this.
>>336968741
I'm pretty sure that refining something = improving it.
But you are correct, because when you count just the Souls series in terms of quality -- DaS1 > DaS2 > DaS3.
However, DaS1 is better than Demon's Souls, and Bloodborne tops them all.
>>336951972
If the DLC in 3 is even half as good as the bloodborne DLC or the DaSII DLC's then it will probably be the best game in the series, PvE wise. The game is already comparable to BB and DaSI and the DLC hasn't even been released, which is typically the best content of any souls game.
>>336968997
The difficulty in Souls only exists to make your actions meaningful.
There is really no point in upgrading your character (or his equipment) if a game is easy. Found a sick new weapon? Who the fuck cares, unless this sick new weapon actually helps you defeat enemies that you struggled with before.
At the same time, they wanted a game that was still largely based on the skill of the player. Which is to say, upgrading your character HELPS you, but doesn't TRIVIALIZE the game (like it does in most RPGs, especially JRPGs)
It is not just difficulty for the sake of difficulty, that would be pointless. Likewise, the difficulty of the game is not directly indicative of its quality. ALL of the Souls games are hard enough to make your actions meaningful, and that's all that matters. One being slightly harder than another means nothing at all.
Dark souls
Dark souls 3
Dark souls 2
Demon souls
N/a Bloodborne haven't played it, can't weigh in
I get demon souls was first, and that puts it high on the list for some people. But it didn't have really hard bosses, there were a lot of healing items, enemies in general didn't feel as aggressive
Dark souls 2 beats demon souls for me, mostly because while they're were A LOT if straight shit bosses, it had a good PvP set up and it had a lot of bosses. After dealing with human gank squads in 3, the trio boss fight of sunken King was good.
2 had fume knight, looking glass Knight, 2 good dragon fights (better than fucking 3's dragon figbt) smelter demon and blue smelter demon.
>>336969279
I was disappointed.
>>336969240
>some cuck voted DaS2
AHAHAHAHAHA FAGGOT
>>336969475
SOTFS > DS3 > DeS > DS1 > BB > DS2
>>336968886
The popular opinion is to hate Dark Souls 2 because it tried to be different from Dark Souls 1, hence why Dark Souls 3 is just sucking off Dark Souls 1.
Personally, I find it super enjoyable (even before SotFS came out) and I'm someone who has played every game in the series.
You'll get the same level of enjoyment out of all of them. Don't let the popular opinion spoil your fun.
All of them > DaS2
>>336969458
Refining = removing impurities or unwanted pieces.
In a video game context, it is streamlining. Dumbing down weapon upgrades with each game, limiting player choices and removing consequences from their actions in the name of a more player-friendly experience, are part of this "refining".
>>336968997
>>336969161
Well, yes, it is difficult but that wasn't really the point. The difficulty was used to serve a purpose, in this case it was to set up the atmosphere and world (though accomplishment is fair too I suppose). It was the means of getting the player invested in the world.
To make Demon's Souls harder by adding in changes from the more modern Souls games wouldn't be hard. As an example, if we added in the pivoting from DS2 and on the Adjudicator would be a much more difficult boss, but it would come at the cost of the atmosphere of the Adjudicator. To have a big ol' blob like the Adjudicator just 180 mid swing to hit the player does increase the difficulty (and it is where the series has been heading) but it doesn't fit the style. So my point is, while difficulty is an important aspect of Demon's Souls, it isn't the core design focus.
>>336968886
-World and level design
-Infinite lifegems instead of Estus for healing
-Too many horde encounters
-Only cracked orbs, Soul Memory
These are the primary complaints. They're not all legitimate, but these are the biggest ones.
>>336969756
sotfs is still DaS2 so it's still shit
Old Hunters > DaSIII = BB > Brume = AotA > DaSI > Loyce = Shulva >>>>> DaSII
I think people are giving DaS3 far too much credit, it's not even that good compared to DaS1, not to mention it's much smaller too.
>>336969493
>It is not just difficulty for the sake of difficulty, that would be pointless
Well no shit, no games are "difficult for the sake of difficulty", whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. I swear you Soulsfags and your memes. Difficulty in all games serves a purpose, Souls games are not unique or unusual in this, so there's no reason to create these meaningless distinctions.
>>336969786
Change what I said initially to "improvement", in that case. Streamlining is shitty, yeah, but I can't see how any of these games were "streamlined".
>>336968886
Meme.
Dark Souls 2 was superior to DS1 in everyway but PCFags and xbox kids like to think their starting game was best out of Nostalgia, so they hate on Ds2.
The ONLY knock against DS2 is Soul memory, but its a much better mechanic then in Ds1 where twinking ran rampant.
Anything else is either better, or things only autists would notice.
>>336960604
>>DaS2
>Aldia end
There are endings? I always automatically sit on the throne and that's it.
>>336969934
Nigga please. Quality > Quantity.
Dark Souls > Dark Souls 3 >>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 2
>>336969931
shit I forgot demons souls
have it equal DaS1
that hurts to do personally because I love DeS since it was my first souls game but going back to it dam its really short
>>336969931
>Old hunters better than Brume or Loyce
>AotA not the shittest part of the series
Arguement invalidated.
>>336970035
Scholar of the First Sin added an additional ending where you can just walk away from the throne room.
>>336969575
I genuinely don't understand how that game can be someone's favorite of the series, even if it was your first. Fuck, I played Demon's Souls first and I still think DaS and BB are better games. DS3 is what DS2 probably should have been.
>>336970060
Oh I agree with you, but the thing is Dark Souls 3 doesn't have either quantity nor quality. Most of the bosses and areas in the game are pure shit.
>>336969942
>Well no shit, no games are "difficult for the sake of difficulty", whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
A lot of games are. IWBTG being the obvious example that comes to mind. Many examples from 80s and 90s come to mind as well.
Saying that a particular Souls game is worse because it is easier is just stupid. They're all difficult ENOUGH that it doesn't matter.
DeS>DaS>BB>DaS3>>>>DaS2
>>336970060
>Quality > Quantity.
DS3 has neither.
>>336970204
This guy gets it.
>>336970102
>old hunters not being better than brume or loyce
>when iron passage and cool ranch smelter reskin exists
>when frozen outskirts and lmao2cat exists
DaSII DLC's would have been top tier if not for their retarded coop areas, meanwhile there is not a single negative thing that can be said about old hunters, maybe Laurence
at least cave of the dead was easy
Also fuck you AotA was better than vanilla DaS in every way if it weren't for the copy-paste forest, the bosses were GOAT
>>336970207
Nope, IWBTG uses difficulty to create its unique, playful tone like Ghosts n Goblins did beforehand. Arcade games also keep it reasonable and realistic to an extent, it's why many of the attacks in beat em ups function similarly to how you'd expect and why 1cc'ing is such a popular challenge.
>>336970207
>IWBTG
Speaking of, did you see the guy who made that's making a CV-like?
DaS>BB>DaS3=DeS>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>das2
>>336969931
>AotA
>not at the bottom
It's not bad by any means, but the only thing it really has going for it is its bosses. All of the Crown DLCs blew it the fuck out in terms of level design.
Dark Souls 3 feels like it's missing something. I didn't get the same level of enjoyment out of it as the rest of the games.
I got it when it came out and I just can't bring myself to play it. Meanwhile if it was any of the other games I'd be playing the heck out of them right now.
And no, it's not burnout.
>>336957661
Bonfire. I enjoyed being able to level up wherever I was.
>>336970329
I've got pretty high hopes for it. So far it looks nice and I'm really liking the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBi3qYFQ20
>>336970405
Make DeS>DaS3 and you've got it.
>>336951972
What would it take for DaS 3 to be considered the best for you?
For me, I'd give back poise and remove hyper armor from a couple attacks(no reason fucking grave wardens have it). Expand some areas, Anor londo and profaned capital to a lesser extent could've been better. Improve the quests like adding less harsh triggers for sone and maybe make more parts to them, like Hawkwood appearing in the dungeon. Add orange charred and rusted iron rings to NG+. Spread areas more, cathedral is connected to catacombs, farron keep lies beyond an additional area connected to road of sacrifices.Tweak some drop rates.
Those are what I can come up for now. Single player guy, by the way.
>>336970468
I feel the same way, I tried starting up a new character but I'm just not feeling it, probably because I don't really like the High Wall cuz lol gank squads out the ass.
I went and made a new character in BB and I'm actually having fun again.
I'd rank Dark Souls III and Dark Souls II about the same to be honest, both games, while good, are not that good compared to Dark Souls I. Though is I had to choose between playing Dark Souls III and II again, I would certainly choose II because that one at least has a working PvP system.
I liked Dark Souls 2.
>>336970531
Yeah, I'm surprised I don't see it talked about more often, especially in the CV threads here with all the Classicvaniafagging going on in them recently.
Demon's is definitely the best.
The controls improved through the series and the spectacle increased, but spectacle is shallow, and the game design got flatter and flatter, and with more purpose geared toward the convenience of the player or the meta, rather than the game world.
The structure opened up but not in a meaningful way, in comparison to the atmospheric detail and purpose of the DeS archstone worlds.
Bloodborne was good in its own right but sort of missed its own point by very simply taking Souls and making it completely action focused. It pointlessly stuck too much with certain Souls elements, which only work within the context of the direction of the Souls games, and under Bloodborne's (not immediately apparent but very different) gameplay direction, they didn't serve a good purpose, and ended up making BB simply feel more barren as an experience.
>>336970545
>profaned capital to a lesser extent
What? the entire area was just a hallway and a swamp. It was yet another awesome looking area that barely had anything in it. Its the second most disappointing area in the series. Brygenworth is the first.
>>336970301
>only knock about brume was a Reskin of an optional boss
>Old hunter had Laurance and Living Failures
>lmao2cat is any less artifical difficulty than Ludwig
Youre trying to compare Optional bosses to actually main dlc story bosses.
AotA had cool bosses the first time around, the replay value is shit as after 2 minutes in each fight the patterns become trivial. Seriously the hardest boss is Sanctuary Guardian because of poison.
AotA also fucked up the plotline, like Sif wouldnt just give you the ring if you beat the DLC first...There is no logical reason to fight sif, other than hurr durr hard game have to fight.
>>336951972
>PS4 gets Bloodborne and NiOh
>PS3 gets DeS
>Everyone else got DaS 2 and 3
I pitty the console fanboys for xbox and nintendo and non-idorts that don't know such joys.
>>336951972
Don't put Bloodborne up there. Most of the Souls community (read: PC) can't even play it. Fuck off.
>>336970837
>NiOh
I played it senpai, it's shit.
>>336970861
LOL this guy
>>336970545
>What would it take for DaS 3 to be considered the best for you?
If they added poise for the players, gave enemies more poise and reduced their numbers somewhat to compensate and buffed the damage from most heavy weapons. But more importantly I'd like them to remove teleporting and then redesign the entire world around that, so that areas have no dead ends and connect with one another. I'd want them to place merchants in that world and make you use shortcuts to get to places you want to be, rather than as glorified checkpoints before a boss fight.
DaS3>BB>SOTFS=DaS>DeS>DaS2
Can you come up with a single non-autistic reason as for why this isn't the objective truth?
>>336970957
It's better than any souls game.
>>336970807
I agree with you about DeS, anon. The level design, atmosphere, and bosses, are what makes it the best for me.
>>336970976
I put SOTFS at first, but I can see your opinion as valid.
>>336971037
kek
>>336971037
Its really not.
It has potential though.
>>336955329
>DaS3
>better combat mechanics than BB
Literally the same shit but with less mechanics.
>tfw have owned every PS system
>Still won't shill DeS and BB as 'good'.
How much of a fucking fan boy do you have to be to think BB is even in the same scope as DaS1, 2, 3? A lot of my friends swear by it, they're the kind of people who need summons to clear the games and can't PvP for shit.
I enjoyed all the games, except DeS, but BB is definitely bottom of the ringer with it to me.
>>336970814
>Brygenworth is the first
I kept hearing about it all throughout the game, my expectations kept going up, and then I got there.
>>336970807
Sounds like you just don't like the direction they took from Demon's Souls. And that's understandable.
>>336971125
>less mechanics
KEK
>>336971154
Falseflagger.
>>336969985
Dark Souls 2 completely eliminated weapon upgrade paths, which had already been simplified for Dark Souls. A single type of shard/l-shard/chunk upgrades everything, and you can just switch around your "infusion" whenever you want. It offers you assassination quests (like Demon's Souls) but then makes it piss easy to "fake" every single assassination so you don't even have to kill the people to get the reward. Bosses all felt very similar both in design and difficulty, compared to the Demon's Souls Wild Ride of bosses where each one is unique, hell one of them even kills themselves before you can even fight them.
Not to mention the removal of item burden in Dark Souls 1, in favor of just letting you carry around whatever the fuck. Removal of soul form (hollow) penalty is another bad decision in my opinion, and the compromise they came up with for 2 and 3 was not as compelling as it was in Demon's Souls.
There's plenty more examples of streamlining but these are some of the big ones that come to mind.
