>competitive Overwatch
What a joke.
>>336943203
Welp. e-sports makes everything seem 10x more boring
>>336943203
This game is clearly not cut for esports, I'm sure it will fail hard on that regard.
>>336943203
>>336944392
I guarantee it's better than Hearthstone.
Hey, it'll be more popular than HotS
>>336944691
That's not saying much
>>336943203
WOAH DUDE HE PRESSED Q
>>336943203
>Competetive gaming
That's the real joke
>>336944881
Wow he pressed a button on a keyboard
There made all esports look dumb
>>336943203
Apparently the open beta is not the full game, they add more stuff on the official release. I'll look for source, cause I'm not sure.
>>336944881
literally no different than competitive LoL
except it's more fun to watch
>>336944997
nah for starcraft it's more like "woah dude he pushed a ton of buttons really fast"
>competitive
>20 tick rate, that isn't even fit for casual pub play
That's a fucking stretch.
>>336943203
Still better than CS GO
>>336945710
competitive games run at 60
Ultimates should be disabled for competitive play.
>>336945710
Explain to me in your own words why 20 tick rate is bad on this engine
I'll wait
>>336945867
Do they? Why don't they run every kind of mode in 60 then?
![1436038252179[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XiuZSDA.jpg "1436038252179[1].jpg")
>>336943203
LMAO
2APE!
2APE!!1!
>>336944392
League of Legends didnt fail, even though it is real bad as an e-sport.
This game is too big to fail.
Stay mad.
>>336945982
Why do you think?
>>336946021
But LoL is perfectly cut for esport what are you talking about ?
>>336944881
How is it different than shit like Dota?
You literally just press buttons.
ITS HIGHITS HIGITS HIGH NOON
>>336945974
Because it handles and feels like shit. For example, I was playing widowmaker, and some Hanzo was peeking a corner, going back and forth. I'd shoot exactly where he was, while he was peeking, and not registering shots. Then, I shot about a second before he would peek out, and it finally registered, killing him.
Playing with Roadhog, you can feel it too when an enemy is squirming around trying to get away after you hook them, your shots are having trouble registering and dealing proper amount of damage because they're moving around so much.
>>336946158
>region-locked
>having to buy characters seperately
>slow
>shitty client
If LoL can make it work, then so can Overwatch.
>>336945710
At least shots actually hit where you have aimed them, unlike certain other games.
>>336945974
Im getting hooked by roadhog around the corners all fucking time.
This is fucking hilarious. It's just complete pot luck who wins on these retarded maps.
>>336945510
>>336946203
Yes, ASSFAGGOTS are shit too.
can someone post that webm of 1 guy vs 6 retards who completely outplays them all and defends the point all by himself... oh wait, wrong game hahaha
>>336946504
None of them are an argument.
I hate LoL, it's a shit game but I can see why normies like watching it. It's slow so they can see and understand what happens, it's important for them. Usually the slower the better for these kids, see CS GO.
In OW keeping track will be complicated because you can't see all 6 players's vision at the same time, so you'll miss tons of stuff.
>>336946504
Not that guy, but you should clearly stick to fps indeed
>>336946974
REKT.
>>336945974
Looks like shit, feels like shit, plays like shit, is actually shit(You)
>>336947283
Nice argument retard
Jesus christ
Competitive anything is a joke. Some small community-built tourneys are fine, but shouting "VIDEO GAMES NEED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY" with this E-sports garbage is just plain cringe-worthy.
Christ, real sports shouldn't even be taken seriously. They're both nothing but gigantic ad events. With real sports, it's just one big event selling every product willing to "sponsor" shit, or pay for commercial air time during games, with E-sports the game IS the product being sold.
But it's whatever, other people enjoy this crap, so good for them.
It's no less of a joke than smash 4 or heathstone or halo or league of legends or the vast majority of 'esports' which are either marketing stunts funded and ran literally by the developers themselves, or just plain retarded and unfit for competitive play in general, only propped up by autistic fans who don't know any better.
Usually both. Actual competitive games struggle to survive these days because they are too inaccessible to casual plebs who are the people who would put money into it.
>>336943203
What did you expect? It's the same why tf2 has almost nothing competetive. Games that are terrible from a viewers point of perspective will not make it. It's just too much going on to make a good commentary about something like that. The top viewed games are all slower and more organized than this game
>>336947574
Name 3.
inb4 quake, bw and 1.6
>>336948026
why do you ask when you know the answers already?
>>336945517
But that's actually impressive, unlike pressing one button once.
>>336944392
Blizz has more than enough hearthstone money to throw at it to make it stick see league of legends.
>>336947349
You sound like fun
>>336945974
Bad hit detection makes for annoying moments like getting killed while in cover.
>>336948274
I expected a reply with some interesting titles that are not 15 years old. I know these are all good games that I can say are great, but video games does sadly not work like competitions in real life things, nobody wants to change soccer or chess, but that's not how the video game industry survives
>>336943203
Shitposting ahead, even TF2 requires more skill than overwatch
>>336948026
Purely off the to of my head
Starcraft
Supcom
total annihilation
Quake
1.6
Most fighting games
I would even say DotA1/2 as well though I am pretty confident I'm going to get shit for it
The point is that all of these games were not deliberately dumbed down for retards, they were not 'designed' to be competitive, they developed competitive scenes because they were competitive.
Unlike modern E-sports, where some suits decided before a game was even released that it was going to be 'competitive' and just threw money at it until enough retards believed it was true. Starcraft 2, League of Legends, Hearthstone and honestly even DotA2 are very guilty of this.
>>336946332
This isn't how their netcode works though. Aim better.
>>336948731
oldschool tribes
>>336948752
I agree with you, but want to add that better graphics did not improve the gameplay. For example, I am having a much harder time to see shit in cs:go compared to the 1.6 maps that don't have a ton of objectes on them.
Or I'm just getting old and my eyes suck.
>>336948731
You get hardly any because any games in those genres have the devs keenly aware of E-sports and so they design them with the average E-sports retard in mind, and dumb it down to hell and avoid mechanics that make it clear you're a shitter. It's very obvious overwatch was designed like this.
'Emergent' competitive scenes like that hardly exist now outside of very niche games like Catherine and indie stuff.
>>336947349
>I could never come anywhere even remotely close to competing in any game at a high level and am bitter about it
get a load of this cuck
>>336949267
>oh no this guy has an opinion that differs from mine and my friends
>better make up some wild accusation and treat it like it's a fact, t-t-that'll show him
>>336943203
>only 2 of the 6 players per team have to actually aim
>>336949591
You know it's true though.
>>336949606
Ho fuck it's true.
>>336946984
>slow
twice as fast as dotaTOO
>>336944691
It's not though.
Watching a guy lose because of a top deck is always going to be more hilarious and entertaining than just watching guns move across the screen and periodically shoot people.
>>336948572
This. They can throw money at Overwatch forever and still have Hearthstone money to spare.
>>336944691
Wow it's better than a childrens game version of Magic the gathering Wooooooooooooooooow amazing good poast redditor here have a tattoo
>>336949659
Except it's not. But me saying so means nothing, as you've already done the mental gymnastics required to accept anything but the lie you've told yourself purely because, like I said, I have an opinion that differs from yours, or in general probably an uncommon opinion, because I know quite a lot of people actually care about Sports/"E-sports".
So, hyuck. Whatever you say.
>>336948572
Money can't buy you an audience.
Look at SC2, it died slowly and painfully even though Blizz where throwing shitton of money at every tournament and now nobody cares.
>>336949905
Shooter
moba
I wonder why
>>336949905
>lol
>average comp game has like 5 kill by 40 mins
>dotka
>17 kills by minute 5
lelbabies
>>336946664
that is not entirely true
from what I have notice is, as long as the hook hits you, it will pull you through, even through walls/obstacles
>>336950278
this level of bait
>>336947574But I actually like e-sport aspect of LoL. I think it has it's moments that are worth waiting for, much like 4chan.
>>336943432
Esports
Speedruns
political correctness
Those are the worst things about gaming in this day and age.
>BASTION ISN'T USED IN HIGH LEVEL PLAY
>Bastion has been used multiple times this tournament
>>336950115
>you've already done the mental gymnastics required to accept anything but the lie you've told yourself
Nevermind, I'm retarded. I worded that all wrong. You get what I mean though.
>>336946823
>Yes, ASSFAGGOTS are shit too.
What is an assfaggot?
>>336950404
How are esports and speedrun, topics about players, performance and GAMING worse or as bad as anything related to political correctness, censorship, sjw or the shit /v/ usually complain about?
I swear you guys are just contrarian for nothing sometimes, this is not even about opinions there.
>>336948791
Typical response, but you tried. Tick rate is definitely why there's a lag in hitting people.
>>336946332
>hooking any character with Roadhog
>shot fucking misses since by the time you are able to shoot your fucking hold ends on them and they just move out of the way/dash/wraith/etc
>>336950971
skill at it's finest
Is there a captain's mode in this games similar to dota? teams taking turns banning and picking heroes
>>336943203
Oh boy another game that blizzard is going to develop for "MUH ESPORTS" and its going to fail because of it.
Design games so they're fun blizzard. Don't design games with esports in mind.
>>336946823
if u hate ASSFAGGOTS, then why are you tryna enjoy Overwatch anything?
It's essentially a first person ASSFAGGOTS
>>336950971
>Press Q to skill
>>336943203
Every game Blizzard made has been great for e-sports except SC2.
There isn't much of a skill ceiling in this game. Aside from just a few heroes, the game is just about timing your abilities correctly or positioning well.
>>336944691
Hearthstone is like wrestling, fun if you watch it for the story and pretend it's an actual competition dsepite knowing it's ful of shit.
SC2 is like track&field, pure test of skill but ultimately not fun to watch more than once a year.
ASSFAGGOTS are like football, nerds will hate but you can't deny the popularity and the dosh associated with being good.
Overwatch is in some weird place in between most casualized ASSFAGGOTS and HS with less potential for storylines. It's like trying to sell laser tag as an olympic sport.
>>336943203
It has auto aim, of course it isn't competitive. how could it be?
What's there to compete over, how well their rigs adjust for latency while the game aims itself?
>>336945974
>side strafing in and out of cover
>get killed when my entire screen is the wall
>apparently I got shot in the chest
okay
Why is it these characters though? Why the monkey?
Blizzard is already struggling to find a place in the current competitive scene. A lot of what isn't seen right now is the attempt at pushing Overwatch into different tournaments. Blizzard wanted Overwatch at Dreamhack, but didn't want to actually support it, as in put the money forth to host a tournament. Razer stepped up and it's been largely considered a joke.
ESL refuses to promote it because Blizzard won't allow custom servers for match ups. You have to use a specific client from Blizzard themselves with their own tailored ruleset. The same goes for CEVO, no interest in promoting if they can't have any control over the game. As far as the game goes, Dreamhack showed there was no energy in the crowd this weekend for the game. Ultimates don't bring out that same feeling that you see in Dota and League, where they take (usually) some form of coordination to pull off. Overwatch is just the epitome of "Press a button and something awesome happens!' With 'awesome' being subjective.
It's all on Blizzard right now, but the E-Sports scene largely isn't interested in it because it doesn't make for good entertainment to watch. It's simply not exciting, as we've seen this weekend.
>>336950971
>>336951017
>>336951385
Overwatch is pretty much what DOTA2 would be as an FPS, except that strong skills that have too much impact on the game flow has no place in a FPS where it's supposed to be about precison.
I supposed it should be considered as a new type of MOBA instead of a TF2-like, but I'm pretty mad they went too far with the hero-shooter archetype.
>>336951459
>muh latency
kek every time
>>336950404
At least speedruns are interesting the first time.
>>336951318
Do you know why sc2 sucked? Because it was literally designed from the ground up to be ESPORTS.
WoW arena was literally an afterthought. Then it started becoming popular. Then they started streaming tourneys and it was fun, but then they started balancing shit in WoW for pvp and it went to shit.
Wc3 and BW were good. Diablo 2 pvp is retarded. Diablo 3 lol.
Blizzard should just make a game and thats it. Let the community find shit out and turn it into an esport organically instead of just being some crappy MADE FOR ESPORTS shit like sc2 was.
At least that's not as bad as the 10/10 Soldier fuckfest TF2 used to be or is.
>>336943203
I really hope they don't cater to the competitive fags and make the game as fun as possible for the rest of the audience. I don't want to see another game ruined by ESPORTS
>>336951643
^This
>>336947349
You can have competitive games without taking them seriously. When people play games online they're normally playing to win and there's nothing wrong with having a competitive mindset while playing. As long as you're not acting autistic when you close the game you're fine. Almost no organization is trying to push for it to be some hardcore sport.
>>336951643
Blizzard need to get their heads out of e-sports.
Everything they make recently is tailored to it and suffers because of it.
You can't push e-sports, it will happen and you facilitate that transition but youc ertainly can't force it. Blizzard will continue to try though.
>>336948396
>pressing buttons
>impressive
WEW
>>336951318
Hearthstone is absolutely awful. There's like 4 net decks played so as soon as you see someone's character or their initial cards you already know what deck they're playing. If you're at that high of a level then for the most part your turns won't be misplays and/or based on flawed logic so it comes down solely to card draw rng.
>>336951872
That's pretty much in every game where turbonerds find the most efficient way to win. Everyone used the m4,ak47 and awp in cs, nobody complained. It just gets boring in for example league where the same 15 champions getting picked and banned when there are over 100 in total
>>336951337
thats because you overly rely on the skills to play
>>336943203
it is
this guy is on team envyus and surefour has some pretty sketchy moments but not as bad as taimou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1d04Q4XO30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cBo5qlczV0&feature=youtu.be&t=18m47s
18 min 47 sec that snap lock, surefour isn't as obvious he could be legit but taimou isn't
>>336952152
In the recent Dota 2 Major qualifier only 7 heroes were never picked/banned out of 111.
>>336952084
Yes, pressing multiple buttons in rapid succession in response to multiple actions of another person who is also responding to your actions and coming out with the desired result in a short span of time is impressive within the context of video games. Retard.
>>336951872
I fucking hate it when cookie cutter shit like this happens.
It gets obvious these autistic faggots are playing for the self gratification of winning instead of fun. Fuck Esports and every motherfucking autist who does this shit.
My biggest issue is that it's pretty obvious the game was designed and balanced around having just one person playing one character per team, not this double Lucio, double Reaper, double whatever shit that plagues matches right now. Every character has a hard counter of sorts, but with how maps are set up, you can actively ignore having to worry about those counters if you stack certain characters. Like double Bastion with a Lucio and Mercy on Payload defense. It's so silly! I just don't understand how this is allowed.
>>336952152
In CS it's a way different story.
>>336952440
lmao
>>336952537
You can set hero limits in custom games, don't get why they don't use it.
>>336952686
because the game is new and there's no standard rule set yet
>>336945974
wasn't the 20 tick rate rumor debunked? That it actually runs at 45 or 60 or some shit?
>>336952409
Dota is kinda an anomaly, Icefrog is insane and somehow it works out.
>>336952537
>>336952686
Yeah i swear its silly they dont require limited characters. I also dislike how its always Lucio/mercy no matter the team comp
>>336952152
They never actually find the most efficient strategies though. It's all just one big meme. One group of people start doing a certain strat and then other people copy it thinking they need to in order to be competitive.
If a game is actually competitive, it has players good enough at the top that they come up with their own strategies. I
>>336943203
>wasn't around for 2xWinston 2xLucio 2xReaper meta
>>336944812
Lol does anyone even play Hots anymore?
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCrxwX99QDLCLE8zHzf6sRyA
>>336952909
>somehow it works out.
it works out because it's organized chaos. heroes don't have strict archetypes they are pigeonholed too. Some of their kits don't even jive with themselves, but when on the correct team it makes a world of difference.
Every other moba seems like they "want an assassin. ok, so let's give them damage. oh but we don't want them dying too easily without being tanky, so give them sustain. well an assassin needs burst." etc etc etc
>>336953135
Yeah a good example would be like phoenix. All of her abilities are completely nonsense paired with each other
>>336951643
Didn't Blizzard buy MLG? Doesn't that solve the esports issue
>>336943203
>Luciofags saying Mercy players are shitters and Lucio is a better pick
>Every team has a Mercy
Explain this, Luciobabbies.
esports would be a joke, but when you start looking at the amount of money and sponsorships in it, you can't deny that it has gained legitimacy.
They need to make it so that there can only be one of each hero in a team. 4 Torbjorns and a Reinhardt is just ridiculous. It's virtually impossible to get to the objective
>>336952417
Ahaha
Millennials, everyone.
>>336943203
>thread Overwatch
>What a joke.
>>336953829
Why don't you go make a LOL thread, faggot?
>>336953429
Why would anyone shit on Mercy? I haven't used her yet, but I've had my ass saved too many times with her on the team. I like using Lucio to support my team with speed/health, and his general mobility and damage.
>>336950227
sc2 was a 1v1 relic of esports, even less accessible and spectator-friendly than fighting games
overwatch at least has the team play and roster of heroes that seem to be defining esport gameplay right now
>>336953754
Grandpa get off the computer
>same fucking team comp on both teams
wow good job blizzard
>>336954142
I'm actually 2 years old lmao
>>336954212
There are definitely balance issues.
But then again, it's kind of impossible to design a game where EVERYTHING is viable at the top skill level.
Esports meme is gay I just like playing fun shooters
>>336954212
>>336954318
*But that doesn't excuse existing balance issues that are obvious even at the "first time playing no experience" level
Post went through to early meant to add that
>>336954074
I doubt so.
OW is clearly lacking the skill ceiling and strategies variety to make esport works.
Same reason TF2 is dead e-sport wise.
>>336953036
the game hasn't even been fully released yet
you people are expecting R&D strategies a month before release
>>336945974
I shoot someone
On my screen I hit them
On their screen it doesn't.
No one is too retarded to see why this is bad
>>336943203
>2 Winstons
But why?..
So, was this the first esport event?
>>336954427
>lacking a skill ceiling
So it's an infinitely deep game where the amount of skill you can gain never ends?
Amazing!
Sick of retards like you talking about things with words and terms they don't understand.
You probably haven't even played the game. Maybe one match.
>>336954606
>>336954318
I agree with you to some extent, making every hero viable might not be the best design.
The problem is that Blizzard are trying to have it all. Again.
HotS was noob friendly - nobody fucking cares, the e-sport for the game is practically dead. It became a "okay guys let's cool down with a round of hots before hopping back to league/dota again" kind of game.
OW is even more noob friendly - it's absolutely fucking horrid to watch and sometimes even more horrid to play, esports scene is even dead before the game comes out.
Blizzard needs to stop sniffing their own farts and let the community decide what they want.
Valve in particular has picked up on this pretty quickly and are dominating e-sports so fucking hard.
>>336952843
Shh, don't tell them. Then they won't be able to lie and funpost anymore. Let them pretend they know what they're talking about.
>>336944392
they will just keep forcing it until the meme becomes reality fool
>>336943203
>>336954513
That doesn't happen.
And the game is 62.5 tick.
Go watch a video on the Overwatch netcode.
>>336954606
They've been going on since the first weeks of closed beta, months ago
The meta have been constantly shifting as the players learned more and more about the games and maps, with some characters going from tier 1, to tier 10, to 1 again.
The pros don't know what they're doing yet, essentially
>>336951156
it's more like first person WoW
>>336948572
>HotS
>SC2 in the west
Yeah, no.
>>336954920
>That doesn't happen.
So you haven't even played the game then.
Why? It's in open beta right now. If you're playing a drone, you could have at the very least try the game you're defending.
>>336954920
>That doesn't happen.
It happens all the fucking time, are you retarded? I've been playing open beta non stop and it happens ALL THE TIME.
>>336955046
I've been playing it since early closed beta.
Never happened to me, never heard a single complaint about it.
You're the one that hasn't played, you memeing fuck.
>>336955090
>THIS GAME IS SHIT! I CANT STOP PLAYING IT!
How to spot a lying memer
>>336945974
oh fucking god lmao
>>336954794
I played the game, in fact I have preordered it.
I really like it, but in a "easy and mindless fun" kind of way, it's clearly not a game made to be tryharded on.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying the game is easy or any CoD fag can start a game and start mastering every character right off the bat, but it's incredibly easy (Compared to other FPSs) to reach a point where you become very efficient with your char. I played tons of hours of CS and Q3 I can tell you these two games alone needs a lifetime to be just "very good" at. In OW you just need to not be completely retarded and some basic motor skills.
It's a very nice pub game to have great fun with friends, and everybody can get his 1 minute easily.
It's just a bad esport game, and that's perfectly fine.
>>336955120
You must have really shit reaction then, if you've never noticed that.
I play as Tracer often, and it happens all the time.
>ult's ready
>blink to a group of enemies
>throw the bomb and use recall
At this point I can clearly see the bomb being tossed and the big red /!\ on the screen.
>I somehow die
>watch killcam
>it doesn't show me use the abilities I know I've used and saw on my screen
They really oughta remove McCree's stun. Turn it into a smoke bomb that obscures the enemy's vision or something.
>"LOL YOU MAD?????"
No. I've abused it a bunch today and it's just too damn easy to the point where it isn't even worth playing other classes. You just E and then right-click and they die, then you back off and do it again when your stun is up again.
>>336950404
speedrums are interesting to watch if its about a game you like and finished
I really like the Disney soundtrack no homo
>>336955885
McCree is OP as fuck, but I can't think of a way to nerf him without turning him into Symettra tier garbage, and no one else has thought of one yet either
>>336956057
Same.
>>336951654
>FPS where it's supposed to be about precison.
nice muh fps must all about fast running speed and precison meme.
>>336956057
Same. Play of the Game jingle is seriously orgasmic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIYd6Xdn88U
>>336943203
>teams are identical
>b-b-b-b-but theres no meta!
please tell me that equal teams are somehow a part of the ruleset here
>competetive FPS
>max FOV 70
ayyyyyy
>>336950604
aeon of strife styled fortress assault game going on two sides
i.e.
>>336956525
auto-send cut me off
i.e. dota-like/moba
>competitive video games
What a joke.
>one team always gets to 99% on the point, other is at ~30%
>suddenly the other team becomes unkillable, caps it, and keeps it until 100%
this is 95% of all games I'm in. What is happening.
>>336956525
>aeon of strife styled fortress assault game going on two sides
That's a dumb acronym, why are you so salty about people playing dota?
>>336952440
>It gets obvious these autistic faggots are playing for the self gratification of winning instead of fun
the literal definition of a competition
whats your point buddy
but yeah esports are fucking cancer
>>336956685
The overtime.
It has a very long cooldown, so it's very easy to do some 99% comebacks
>>336956685
which team are you on? the one who loses or the one who makes a comeback?
>>336956707
Why are you so salty about people calling assfaggots assfaggots?
>>336956707
it's probby more about that MOBA is the most broad term for a game
>>336948752
since dota 2 plays nearly identical to dota 1, people already knew dota 2 would be competitive, it wasn't money tricking people into thinking something about a game that already existed.
Sure the money brought attention to it, but it's not like it was used as a smokescreen like it was with hearthstone.
>>336955209
Where did I ever say it was shit?
I said the tick rate is shit. It's terrible in fact
It's retarded. Dumb game modes. Dumb classes. If valve released a team fortress 3 on source 2 or if they even supported Team Fortress 2 6's competitive scene then that game is bar none probably the best team shooter out there. But nope Valve dont give a shit. Now Blizzard is making a shit version of TF2 and people are some how so amazed by it.
>>336950971
>robot
>dropping a soul
breaks my immersion
>>336952402
taimou was a massive faggot and absolute garbage in tf2 so this is not a shocker at all
though his twitter post about 'i have a weird aiming style' made me lol pretty hard, yeah nice one you ugly finnish faggot
>>336949973
I can make my bullshit opinion seem right by being a reductionist too.
>Janitors have a much harder job than soldiers.
>Oooh I have to walk here and shoot this guy, boo hoo, Janitors have to correctly blend complicated chemicals and clean a variety of hazardous wastes.
>>336952402
>Votes for himself
Jesus Christ what a fucking faggot
>>336945974
>turn around to shoot the enemy
>get killed
replay shows me never trying to turn around and shooting in the other direction
>>336957062
>robot
You mean omnic.
>>336956298
>Make a first-person cooldown moba
>call it a first-person shooter
>>336943203
People will try and spin anything into being competitive
>>336957181
>no ancients
>no creeps
>no lanes
>no towers
>no items
>moba
>>336951654
>much what DOTA2 would be as an FPS
There is zero complexity to it. There is barely even a burden of knowledge to it that would come with having 21 different heroes in dota because every hero in Overwatch can only do the one set of skills. You'll never find a 76 rocket jumping into your face because blizzard simply won't allow it.
>>336944881
WOAH DUDE HE GOT THE DP INPUT RIGHTCome one man, that argument stands on the same level as "Starcraft is onyl APM spam".
>>336956707
Smite is better?
>>336953609
>esports would be a joke, but when you start looking at the amount of money and sponsorships in it, you can't deny that it has gained legitimacy.
define legit
because last time I checked money doesn't mean shit with regard to how good something is
>>336953429
As explained by seagull on luminosity. Lucio is the better support healer when you have a mercy, but mercy is a better solo support by herself.
>>336957353
I think you are mistaking Dota 2 for MOBA. With all due apologies, please refrain from doing this.
>>336957434
Except that's really what it all boils down to. When pressing Q literally gives you a 100% stick aimbot there's really not much skill involved in that epic team-wiping play.
>>336957452
>Smite is better?
Doesn't matter if it has no scene and no one plays it.
I've certainly never even heard of it.
>>336956471
fov can go to 106
>>336957619
I think you don't understand that like half competitive online games can be defined as "multiplayer online battle arenas".
>>336956864
>Why are you so salty about people calling assfaggots assfaggots?
>dude what if i keep calling it ASSBUTTHOLEPOOPYDUMBGAME?? I bet they will see how bad the game they like is!
>>336953306
Nonsense?
That's a bad example.
You use dive so you can get firespirits on people more easily.
Fire spirits makes it so that people can't kill supernova easily.
dive also lets you position super nova correctly.
The long cooldown on abilities also synergizes with supernova because of the refresh.
Arc warden is more of what you are talking about, he's played like a farmer but has a trap ability and a single target slow/DoT.
>>336957886
Thus why MOBA should never have been coined in the first place. It was only invented as a way of not saying dota-like.Thank god
>>336957886
>he thinks Mobile Office Basic Additives are called "multiplayer online battle arenas"
Fucking idiot
>>336957916
The point is that "MOBA" is a dumb term because pretty much any multiplayer game fits the description
>>336957434
But he's actually right in this case.
>>336957881
That's horizontal FOV
>>336946974
what did he mean by this?
>>336952843
Someone said it was debunked, spouted some bullshit, and then a week later the devs made a video saying "wow you guys are smart you managed to reverse engineer our netcode it runs at 20.8 tick way to go guys!!"
>>336943203
>forced to spectate in first person mode
Whoever thought this was a good idea deserves a 2nd lobotomy.
>>336958075
>2016
>Not understanding what MOBA is
I think u need to travel back in time to relearn everything
>>336958269
>csgo had always been spectate the same way, for years.
>Autist start complaining because edgy
>>336957101
>being so buttfrustrated that you can't formulate a coherent argument
>>336958335
Tell me then, retard, what does MOBA stand for?
>>336958460
>CS:GO
There's your first and last mistake
>>336958460
You should read what he said one more time. I think you'll understand it better if you try hard enough.
>>336943203
>No junk rat
There doing it wrong. I wasn't expecting the game to be this fun now I am really pissed my brother broke my good pc when he and the family came over so they gave me his toaster. I got to play it on ps4.
>>336958335
Nobody is saying anything about dota-likes. We're just saying that moba is and always has been a shitty acronym for those types of games. That's why people made ASSFAGGOTS. I prefer dota-likes though.
>>336951017
>>336951270
>>336951654
>Shitters who can't even handle an ult
