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How come every invasion in this game is a gank squad? I'm working on finishing the mound makers right now, and out of the last 20 invasions 2 of them have been a person by themselves with no phantoms. Why is this? It's just absolutely baffling to me that so many people are playing the game by having phantoms carry them.
I find it funny how there are people in NG+ in first zone with two buttbuddies.
>>336933048
This is exactly what's happening to me and why I made this thread? Why would you ever need two or three summons in the first area?
Some people enjoy playing vidya with their friends, you don't seem to be one of those people though.
>>336932778
I think they prioritize invading host's with phantoms. It's hard being a purpal, stay strong mother fucker.
>>336933496
The game doesn't scale well in co-op. I really don't see how it could be fun.
>>336933496
Where did my post imply that? Besides, I know people do, but this many? Literally everyone is using two to three summons, I doubt that many people are playing with that many friends.
>>336933496
>with their friends
If that's what you call strangers you're scrambling to pick up at every bonfire :^)
>>336933719
It does though. Not enough, but it's there.
>tfw friends summon me and we let the invader 1v1 the host
>>336933496
>playing with friends in a single player game
KEK
>hey man wanna play some vidya tonight?
>sure, what game
>how about dark souls?
This has never happened
>>336932778
Welcome to the realm of casuals and shitters who think co-op is the best thing ever in all cases and at all times.
>soulsbabies need summons to carry them through the entire game
Why are you surprised at this OP?
>Invade Lothric Castle
>Host uses a seed
>Refuses to do anything but sit awaiting honorabru combat
>Turn around
>Aggro the Twin Axe Angel Knight
>Lead him to the host
>Fuck the bastard raw with my new buddy
Best feeling.
If they let us invade non-embered hosts and made embers more rare, everything would be a lot better tbqh
>he doesn't know
Matchmaking prioritizes ganksquads for you when you are searching for a world to invade
Chances to invade a solo guy is close to zero
Welcome to DaS3
>>336932778
You cannot invade someone who is alone in this game. For invasions, DaS seems to be on top.
DeS was close, but dat grass all day.
DaS 2 fucked over most forms of multiplayer.
Bloodborne was back to close in format, but I didn't enjoy the PvP as much as DeS or DaS.
DaS 3 seemed to fix some of the horrible multiplayer shit in DaS 2 while making other parts even worse.
All in all, it seems like they care just a little too much about new players or hurt feelings. The first time I was ever invaded, I learned tons right off the bat. Top thing I learned: This sort of multiplayer is the fucking coolest. People who play Souls offline are missing out on half of what makes these games fun.
>Obscuring Ring
>Slumbering Dragon Ring
>Silvercat Ring
>Hornet Ring
This is why I love PVP in this game. You can actually be a sneaky backstabbing cunt and have success.
>Sniping from outside their visual range
>Jumping off stuff to find ways to get behind a group who thinks you're ahead of them
>Walking right up to oblivious players and backstabbing them
It's amazing for taking out gankers unless the whole team is tight and refuses to split up. Seriously. Play a sneaky build with those rings equipped and invade Anor Londo/Irithyll or Lothric Castle. It's incredibly fun.
>>336934847
You can, it's just that multis get priority
>>336932778
Invasions are solely for fucking around nowadays. If you want tongues, good luck. If you just want to fuck around, hide and waste their time trying to farm invaders by taking up a slot.
>>336934847
Oh. Adding to that: people online who constantly have multiple summons with them are basically allowing other people to play the game for them. They are missing out on just as much, in a different fashion.
>>336934000
>he didn't play dark souls with his friends
The fuck is wrong with you
Four or five man fight clubs are great
Ganging up on shit is great
Do you need a gun and to run around?
>>336935304
I wish I had friends to play with, but they are all massive casuals and none like souls
>>336932778
I heard that the Mad Covenant invasions have a much much higher chance to get an invasion with +2 people in it ( not counting other invaders ) :D
so if you dont like ganks when invading go back to being a red/sunbro phantom.
>>336935150
>>336934847
>you're not playing this single player game the way I want you to
>let me tell you how much I care about the way you play your game and why
Souls babbies are the most autistic fanbase.
>>336936154
It isn't a single player game though.
>>336935442
>me and my brother used to coop since ps1
>cooped through DaS2, summoning each other all the time
>effectively clear every area twice, it was still fun as fuck
>DaS3 gets announced and we plan on playing that one together too
>he dies in a car accident during winter
>decide to play DaS3 anyway
>constantly have 1 random phantom dude
>sometimes I even talk to him through the mic as if he was my brother
>kill the Lord of Cinder
>whisper "we did it bro"
>watch silently as the credits roll
Most people in this thread don't have friends to coop with that's why they feel the need to hate people who actually have friends
>>336934736
Make additional summons cost another ember.
>>336934847
what was the green text that used to along with this?
was it
>NICE GREATSWORD FAGGOT
>Being a Invadercuck
>Being a Purple Mememaker
>Being a Rosarina Autist
All you faggots deserve to get ganked cry more nerds
>>336936616
It's been awhile. Not sure.
>>336936154
>you're not playing this single player game the way I want you to
>game series with servers from the old series that are only still alive because of the multiplayer scene
I mean, at least they aren't forcing you to be always online like most games, which don't even have a multiplayer, but come on. Are you that guy who played Battlefield 1942 with bots?
>>336934847
>alone invasions no
This is certifiably false
>>336934000
I coop with a friend of mine on Friday nights. He summons me into his world, we fight a boss, then I summon him and we fight the same boss. I have a character specifically for this purpose.
>>336932778
Just kill the host you stupid faggot
>>336936662
Whatever makes you feel like a big guy.
>>336934897
>Slumbering Dragon Ring
what does that even do for invasions
>>336935036
this
i just obscure ring, hawk ring, and greatbow
>>336935535
that might be a thing since i got 30 shackles really easy in the aldrich area
>>336936915
No sound. So they can't hear you walking or rolling or jumping. Which mixes with the obscuring ring to make you totally undetectable until they get too close.
Without slumbering dragon, I couldn't walk right up behind people to murder them.
>>336934897
this desu.
>be sneaking around dragon barracks
>host is making his way up steps to bonfire right before dragons
>obscuring ring, morne's hammer
>let him fuck around with mobs for a minute, hide underneath bridge on first ledge
>wait
>wait
>wait
>Summoning a phantom...
>wait
>hear dragon breath proc
>IT'S HABBEDING
>host drops down right in front of me, fallstun
>WRATH OF GOD, CUNT
>falls down into trough
>gangrape him with black nasties help
>phantoms look on in horror
gankers get fucked
>>336934000
I have 3 friends who are co oping the entire game together. Must be annoying to do a boss three times, but what ever is fun for them
>>336936438
Sorry to hear that Anon
>>336936438
Kill yourself
Why do mad phantoms go for the host when there's phantoms around? Wouldnt it make more sense to kill the guy with less estus and hp or do they just want to fuck the host over
>>336932778
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. Or just gblack crystal outta there
>>336934000
I wish I had friends to gank with.
>>336932778
>people are playing the game by having phantoms carry them
>PEOPLE AREN'T PLAYING IT WITH THE ARBITRARY RESTRICTIONS I IMPOSE ON MYSELF
Relax, half the people who play Dark Souls aren't doing it for the singleplayer challenge. You're as bad as the Undertale fanbase telling players how to play the game, at least in principle. I played through DaS1 entirely in offline and I thought it was a good experience but then I read
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/souls-survivor
Sure the game was less challenging and less rewarding when I did summon, but the game was fun to experience when the coop community for each installment was new.
>>336937107
oh shit i thought it was just footsteps
thats kinda neato
>>336932778
Matchmaking is literally programmed to prioritize invading worlds with 4 people and Way of the Blue hosts.
So there's never any variety in invasion situations, everything is a gankfest and you will never be invaded playing solo because of this combined with the fact that nobody bothers invading due to the gank bullshit.
>>336937568
>kill three phantoms or the host
>>336937568
It's going for the root, instead of trimming the limbs. Odds are stacked incredibly against you, why not shoot for the moon?
>>336933763
You're seeing more groups of people because when you summon a phantom you're more likely to be invaded than if you were playing solo.
>>336932778
You're playing MM's all wrong. Gotta place your sign near a bonfire before a tough area. Be a total non-hostile and friendly bro to the host, then backstab them when they least expect it
Alternatively you can just be a bro, and hope the host just dies by accident. I have more fun doing that honestly
If you're trying to get some fair no bs pvp put your sign down after pontiff sulyvahn.
Invasions prioritize larger groups and people trying to summon rather than solo people.
Otherwise get a build that can deal with gank squads. Most satisfying victories are the ones with 3 people against you.
>>336936345
Nor is it entirely a multiplayer one and souls fight clubs are the dumbest shit.
>>336936789
>it has an online component
>so play by my HONORABU rules!!
That's not how it works.
>>336936345
Doesn't matter. What they do with their game is none of your business
>>336938209
Lmao seriously, more times than not I'll either find the most ridiculous ways to hit the host and pretend the swing was an accident or make big seem like the mob hit him, or just wait and see how he dies on his own. More times than not they die on their own cuz no bonfire
>>336932778
You've got to play dirty when you fight a gank. Lead them onto ladder and kick them off or hide by some tough enemies.
If you're good you can fight them head on because they get a group mentality and play super aggressively against one invader which gives you a lot of chances to punish stupid attacks.
If you get frustrated at ganking then don't invade and just duel outside of the pontiff boss room.
Honestly it's all gank fests but it's really not a problem. A majority of gank squads are fucking stupid and can be manipulated into going where you want them to go.
>invade a world next to the second bonfire in irithyl
>Host, sunbro, 3 phantoms
>host stays back in hiding
>other 4 head towards me to kick my shit
>make them follow me to the elevator
>they all get on attempting to stab me with their estocs
>roll off the elevator simultaneously hitting the switch
>elevator starts descending with their entire squad still on it
>go kill host
Just manipulate them. Mind games are fun as fuck with gank squads because they are all fucking stupid.
>people complaining about hosts playing with summons when you're trying to invade them
>complaining when you are literally trying to invade them and fuck up their shit
>complaining when you get your shit fucked up instead
get absolutely kek'd invader fags
>>336939170
It's pretty dumb to have to play 1v5 just to get a pale tongue m8.
>>336937848
Ive never actually invaded a host that had more than 1 phantom with him as a grape. Forgot that the count increases as more phantoms are present wew
It's shit but you just have to adapt.
If you need Tongues just stick to Pontiff's backyard since hosts are literally incapable of ganking you, or lurk at the Catacomb's bridge and trick retards.
>>336939654
Really? I find the area after Pontiff to be full of gankers.
>>336940374
Just wait for back-up, then.
>>336939458
You get 3 just by playing through the game. How many times do you need to respec your character?
>>336941137
Yeah that's why I usually do. Occasionally though you get a moralfag sunbro/purple invader that side with the hosts.
>>336941367
They're just wasting their own time.
Grapes are always looking to just snipe low health phantoms so you simply have to get out the way before they dive into a brawl hoping to take someone out.
>>336941206
You need 30 to complete the covenant for rewards anon.
>equip hornet ring and caestus
>smash that fucking parry button when they start to flail wildly at you and just hope for the best
>my face when
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZJ7z5xEgg
WORKS FOR ME! what gank squads? LOL
>>336941986
Do you post this in every thread or something?
>>336941725
Well it's not the Hosts fault for playing with phantoms that you chose a covenant based entirely around invading.
The reward is the Man-Grubs Staff according to the wiki. That sounds obscure as fuck, is it really so necessary that you collect 30 tongues for a catalyst that scales with luck?
>wahhh I'm literally trying to invade your world but you won't let me win easily
>wahhhhhh let me win
Invader fags BTFO
>>336941986
Stop posting your shitty video evey thread.
>>336938209
>backstab them when they least expect it
>implying anyone ever believes a meme maker won't just attack you at some point
>>336942503
If you could stop memeing for 5 minutes anon. Some people like to actually complete things for all the covenants. Now, I've already gotten 25 tongues on my own. But, the point is that gank squads are pretty shit. You can't even invade 1v1 anymore since it prioritizes sending you to gank squads.
>>336942706
It's the "if they can backstab me, they will" mentality.
I'm sure you're a stable, non-paranoia fueled individual in reality
>>336942854
I understand perfectly well that fighting 1vs3+ sucks fucking ass, but what you don't seem to understand is that you are literally INVADING their world. The whole fucking premise is is that you are trying to fucking shank them in the neck and I just find it utterly hilarious that you expect people to make that easy or "honourable" or whatever the fuck other delusion you have, for you.
It it not the hosts fault you choose to complete a covenant entirely based around invading. Or that you have some obsessive compulsion to complete every covenant. That is literally your choice. So complaining about hosts playing with phantoms is just pathetic and hilarious.
>>336934847
you can invade solo players you mong, server just puts them on low priority in the invasion queque
>>336943403
I don't expect it to be honorable, or easy. I expect to have at least half of the invasions I do not be 1v4.
>it's an obsessive compulsion to complete game content
What the fuck anon.
>invade in Irithyll Dungeon
>Host with 2 buttbuddies
>trade hits blah blah, decide this won't do
>idiots follow me all the way from the first bonfire to the room with a trillion billion jailers
>they end up pulling the entire fucking room
>hunt down the phantoms with a million jailers on their asses
>murder host 1v1
feels good mang
>my experience with dark souls 3
>Get invaded the guy uses hacks ( godmode )
>Get invaded another time guy teleports to me and 1 shots me with curse
>get invaded guy using godmode
>invade someone he has 2 phantoms host hast godmode
>invade someone phantom teleport to me and 1 shot curse me
>invade someone He has a 3v1 gank squad + seed of the giant
Is there hackers on the PS4? i'm seriously considering buying one at this point... fuck all these autistic 4chan kids with their godmode jesus man if u can't play a game normally just kill yourself
>>336937509
fuck off gaywad
>>336944251
Yeah hackers are everywhere on PC i thin i'm going to take a break from online dark souls...
i guess this is what happens when a game becomes popular i never seen this many hackers in das 1 and 2
>>336934897
if you wear the white phantom ring and use hidden body you look like one of those ghosts and will generally be ignored.
I'mm only 4 more shackles away from that warmth pyromancy then i can throw that red eye orb in the bin and never touch it again.
>everyone's got 2 phantoms pre-summoned
>giant's seed active
>fellow invaders attack you anyway
I can't be bothered with this
>>336932778
The REAL reason you don't invade solo players? Solo players play offline. When I WANT to invade and summon I turn on online, otherwise I'm offline for most of the game.
As such, the statistics are skewed toward gank squads.
I mean, feel free to disagree, but if I want to go solo I just go offline
Not only is the focus on ganksquads bad for invaders, it's bad for people who just want to play through the game without being carried. I was practically embered the entire time in my playthrough, tried my best to not overlevel, and I got invaded twice. FUCKING TWICE in an entire playthorugh, that's atrocious. From's matchmaking has reached a new low with this game.
>>336932778
>How come every invasion in this game is a gank squad?
Because REOrb prioritizes worlds with phantoms.
/thread
>>336943671
Come on now, I'm not talking about finishing the story, or a few extra side quests. If you feel you simply must reach maximum rank in every covenant then that is, at least somewhat obsessive compulsive.
Understand, I'm taking the piss out of people complaining about hosts playing with phantoms. Just earlier today, a buddy and I played with a 3rd friend through the Demon Ruins on NG+. It's fun to play with friends. Killed a couple invaders on the way through with names like "N00b_killer" and it was fucking delicious. Then we played a couple sets of PVP vs each other, and that was fun too.
Your issue seems to be with Froms matchmaking system. Don't know what else to say.
>>336934989
Coupled with the fact that embered hosts only ember up to summon anything within reach or to gank, and that infinite password summoning is a thing.
Dark souls 1 worked because the bonfire was needed to reverse hollowing and the distance needed to reach the boss meant no one wants to put their sign anywhere but the boss door.
Dark souls 2 worked because being human or hollow didn't matter for invasion. So humanities being able to reverse hollowing anywhere or any time had no effect.
Dark souls 3 doesn't work because you need to be embered up to be invaded. Which u can do anywhere at anytime. And the only time you will would usually be for summons or friends because of passwords, which has no cap so they can come and die all they want because everyone would gets more estus uses and they comeback with filled estus
>>336944739
>I have no idea what I'm talking about the post
you are more likely to invade a world with phantoms in it then a solo host, it picks worlds with phantoms + hosts first before going for hosts.
>>336944643
what if they know this trick and spam R3 when see a ghost when invaded?
Because they probably use the dried finger to see more signs which also puts them higher in invasion priority
>>336944664
>2 phantoms
nah anon most of em got 3 seed + finger active
>>336944930
People say this but I feel like its bullshit, everytime I invade, the host is literally summoning their first phantom right as I get in their world. One out of three times is there already phantoms in the world.
The second a host's bonfire turns off I bet you that he will summon a phantom, which is why people see "gank squads." I've invaded so many solo players too.
But truth be told I only invade in Catacombs and Irithyll dungeon because they're so fun
>it's a the host is hiding somewhere while his 3 phantoms fight everything for him episode
>>336934847
I've invaded a lot of lone hosts.
So every time an invader complains about gankers, everyone else jumps on them and complains about the invader being entitled, no fun allowed, etc. But why does nobody complain about the host? If I have a summon and someone invades me, I'll motion for my summon to stay back so I can fight the guy. If two people invade, I'll let my summon join in and have even more fun. Why does this concept not exist to you people? I just don't understand how letting others play for you is more fun.
>>336937568
I always side with the underdog if I invade as a mad phantom.
If the host is getting killed by a bunch of invaders I help him. If an invader is being killed by a ganksquad I help them out.
If the host and I survive and everyone else dies, then I kill the host.
>>336944803
Yes that's exactly what my issue is. It's repetitive to face 4 people every single time I go to pvp. It's fucking boring.
>>336944251
I've never ran into a single hacker myself, I did once when I was summoned to my friend's world but thats about it
If you just want to get kills for your covenant, then just go over to the fight club balcony
>>336944251
There's no hackers in PS4 as far as I know, but there's plenty of reddit memers using meta weapons like Dark Sword and such.
>play pyromancer
>learn 2 freeaim or respec are my only choices
i wish spells tracked a little. I mean, they're at such a horrendous disadvantage anyway, it seems like FROM hated all of the spellcasting types from the beginning
>>336945987
...you haven't been freeaiming at all since the start of the series? It's particularly generous here because of the HUGE AoE most pyromancies have.
>>336932778
Because playing single player and getting invaded can be pretty annoying, so whenever I need to grind, I get my souls from invaders by gank squad.
Every time I have to go off course and send time fagging around with invaders, every bit of fun I missed will be extracted from invaders.
It's the circle of life.
>blue sentinels give DOUBLE tongues
>they get attacked by regular mobs
holy shit I actually LOVE it when the police come, I wish they gave double covenant rewards for other covenants though
>>336940374
I've never had ganking. I grinded to max rank in subros doing nothing but fightclub there, and everyone was really fun to fight.
>>336946230
>holy shit I actually LOVE it when the police come
>blue cov on
>use a branch
>2 hours of reds purples and blues
Funny how you get like 1 blue for 2 reds/purples though
>>336945768
Why don't you understand there's no age check on 4chan?
You're not talking with +25 years old people, you're reading the posts of teenagers and kids.
Of course they are obnoxious and have a shit mentality, they still haven't matured.
>streamer complains about magic
>casts spells while the opponent is paying attention, never layers anything
>streamer complains about sipping
>never uses undead charms
>streamer complains about Faith
>never uses things like Lightning Stake or WoG to punish, never uses tears of denial, never uses deep protection.
>get invasion summoned at Pontiff's
>actual fightclub
>2 go in, whoever wins has to fight the next person who got summoned, this goes until they lose
>all the people waiting stand on the balcony with the host watching the courtyard fights
>my turn
>manage to beat 6 guys in a row
>some asshole kills the host
>get sunlight medal
I don't even want the medal
>>336946415
what even better is if you go on an elevator, drop off on a rafter mid descent and chameleon there, because no one will ever find you there.
pop a tree of giants and you can practically afk and come back hours later to a fuck ton of souls
>>336946180
why can't we aim spells like bows? or at least given some kind of crosshair to work with?
or do we have to make sure that kb+m remains inferior and blindly accept the awful requirement of having to memorize the 3 arbitrary angles available for free-casting? (0 degrees, and 45 degrees up & down)
>>336932778
I used an ember early game and got invaded by two guys within a minute. Never again. I don't know what you fucks are talking about not finding solo hosts.
>>336933809
>The idea of friends is this foreign to some people on /v/
Time to get out!
>>336947007
but you can aim a spell like a bow? if you aim with a bow, then swap to a catalyst WITHOUT MOVING, your spell will hit wherever your crosshair just was. you can get absurdly long range snipes with longer range spells that way
>>336936438
Holy shit my smile just fucking dropped. Sorry to hear that bro
>>336945768
>summoning guys
>but can't understand letting them do anything for you
So, what, you summon people to watch you play?
>>336932778
>This is muh first souls game
>Waaaaaah, people are WRONG for not playing the game the way I play it waaaaaaah
Invasions aren't about "muh fairness" crybaby, sorry that other people are having fun playing the game with friends? Either drop your duel sign or fucking get creative bitch boy, they enemies are there for a reason. I love PvP in 3, fighting someone with phantoms is always way more fun, beating them down feels awesome.
>>336945768
>what is a duel sign?
That is all what you said applies to, if I am summoned in someone else's world I'll kick the shit out of an invader, if they summon a duel sign I fuck off.
anyone on pc able to help me get twin princes greatsword? just need to transfer from one char to another
Is there any reason why you can parry someone that's 2-handing greatswords and curved greatswords? I would think that trading fast attack speed would give you an unparryable 2-handed R1. I'm glad that most parry spammers fuck up when trying to parry my Exiled, but it's just dumb when it works. Sometimes it feels like I should just straightsword spam like 70% of the people in this game.
>>336949471
You are aware if you do that with someone from here you're not gonna get it back, right?
>leave summon sign at pontiff for dueling
>get summoned, end up at area with giants and host is running through them
> follow host, he seems to think I'm just a normal co op summon and goes to alligators, help him kill them
> he keeps trying to light bonfire and doesn't know why it isn't working, go up to him with my back turned so he can kill me and light bonfire since I feel so sorry for him
> Ignores me and keeps going
> aldritch invades
> another aldritch invades
> I just sit there and watch host get shreked
>>336949471
I'm at SL 93, hit me up if you want
>>336950130
Hosts can still light bonfires while an invader or summon is in their world. They just can't use them
>>336950040
You should use the horsehoof ring + knight slayer ring, especially if you're trying to deal with light attack straight sword shitters.
Or you can just use certain weapon arts + armor to just poise through it.
>>336946683
>casts spells while the opponent is paying attention, never layers anything
This happened in every DaS but it was specially hilarious in 2
>get invaded as soon as you get to iron keep
>some guy in full hexer's with sunset staff
>R1R1R1R1R1R1R1 fucking dark orbs
>dodge them by sidestepping, slowly get closer
>eventually roll through and take half his hp with a normal post roll one handed swing of a claymore
>he panics and falls to the lava
>>336950542
I just 2-hand my Exiled and poise through everything with R1s. I used to be a longsword shitter in DS2 before I discovered powerstanced whips. Since poise is busted in this game I can poise through a 2-handed R1 from an ultra greatsword with my curved greatsword. It's hilarious.
Okay now I really see what invaders are talking about I just got summoned to go through an area I just completed solo and we got invaded 4 times compared to my 0
This weapon is so fucking good. incoming nerf.
>walk up to shitter with Buckler + Dragonslayer Axe
>he parries nothing
>I R1 x 2
>he rolls as i let an R2 go
>hits him and staggers
>R1
>he parries while I charge R2
>dies
easiest fucking game of my life
>way of blue
>summon friend
>dried fingers
>laugh as invaders can't wait two seconds for another invader and bumrush.
Helping out darkmoons with a friend is fun as fuck. Doubly so when I see some weeb name so I know its one of you fags.
Bonus fun with branches and prism stones.
>>336951513
The Murakumo and Exiled do more damage. If I could proc bleed in three 2-hand hits with this, i'd use it.
>>336952067
this is the curved sword not the Ultra version. More range than the Falchion
>>336932778
you learn which zones are good to invade in. I recommend the 2nd bonfire in the Dragon Peak, the one where you are on a ledge and when you enter a NPC summon spawns.
9/10 times when I invade there, the host will be alone and I'll even get help from the NPC invader if I need it. It's also a linear gauntlet, so host has very limited ways to avoid you.
>>336945768
I go the other way, as an invader I actively point at a blue phantom if there's one there, wanting to just fight them if nothing else since you get twice the rewards, then if they let me I point for just the phantoms he's had summoned to work my way to him in gauntlets of 1v1.
>>336952354
i used to use the carthus curved sword as my primary but since i found the wonders of the Profaned UGS ive been using this bad boy the most with the carthus as a side equip
I'll drop a tip here for you cancer fags to spread to reddit. Use Spiked Mace (drop from fat women in Undead Settlement. Get one hit to stagger and then weapon art. Weapon art will continue the stagger for at least 2 more hits. Unless the other dude dropped a shitload into Vigor, he will die in those 3 hits and be stunlocked for the entire duration.
>>336946415
I invaded some dude yesterday who got 2 (TWO!) Blues summoned right after the other. Needless to say, he found some courage in his newfound numbers, and they all approached me. So I did what any good invader would do, and took advantage of their boldness. Amazing how reckless people get when they think they have the upper hand. Protip: you don't rush into a swarm of snake men (and me) just because you think you can stunlock them all to death. You can't.
It's only a shame that I was farming shackles at the moment, because when I killed one, I completed the invasion. They were pretty bad, though.
>>336953481
epic blog friend
>>336951513
You're a cunt, Guardsman Dan.
>>336953538
Poor baby.
>>336953440
Spread it yourself you dumb tumor
>>336932778
What is the average level right now for NG+? I'm level 120 and I never see summon signs and people rarely invade me. Am I too high or too low? I feel like I'm way too high
>>336953625
nah, I'm fine seeing some retard get 2000 upvotes for posting a video that showcases a clearly broken mechanic, and everyone dropping fat memes to celebrate him.
>>336951513
one of my favorite weapons
love it for both dex and luck builds
>>336953725
I don't know man. I got one character at level 75 at ng+ and another at 125, and I barely see any signs on either of them.
I guess most people just stop playing after they complete the game on NG. My only sure method of encountering other people regularly is to just start a new character.
>>336953598
Nah m8, I'm Michaelon PS4
Poise would single handedly fix how horrible gank squads are.
You'd actually be able to swing a large sweeping weapon around and fight off multiple people, instead of eating one R1 into 50. Hyperarmor does fucking nothing against multiple people.
In fact, poise would fix R1 spam asap.
Man just bring back poise and I can already see a nicer meta. Vitality is trash enough in this game that you won't even see havels without severely gimping themselves
>>336944251
Probably a hacker yourself. Ive come across 2 hackers in my 225 hours playing.
>>336944251
one of those "hackers" probably fucked your account by making it seem like you were cheating. They can do it by just attacking you. That would put you in the player-pool of other hackers, aka soft-ban, so you're forced to play against even more hackers (aka script kids).
>>336932778
Can you shitters stop calling invasions a PvP? Its not PvP in any sane definition and whats more who cares about invasions anyway?
>>336954719
>Player Versus Player, or PvP, is a type of multiplayer interactive conflict within a game between two or more live participants.
>>336954817
So you are capable of googling definition. Thats a good start. Now are you able to spot the difference between the definition and invasions?
>>336954719
>who cares about invasions anyway?
Yeah! Who cares about the series most unique feature?
>>336954916
Hosts are still participants because being embered is an invitation to every invader.
>>336932778
Invasions are tailored to target people with phantoms.
If you try to invade, the game purposefully puts you up against people that are summoning. Dark Souls 2 worked the same way. And the more Summons you have helping you, the higher up the invasion priority list you go.
Solo players are the least likely to get invaded unless they dry finger
Does anybody have any idea how darkroom summons work can you get summoned from anywhere to anywhere as long as they're in range or is it zone specific?
>>336934000
I once cooped through DS2 with a friend, was pretty fun. We ganked a couple invaders but at least in that game ganking wasn't a huge issue so we didn't care
>>336955080
>use ember
>use dried finger
>use giants seed
>use white branch and hide in some obscure location
>see reds, purples and blues keep spawning in and getting fucked by each other and NPCs.
ah, ah. ah.
>>336955016
Well, that statement is completely wrong ,but yes, hosts are participant. Being a participant doesnt require consent. I will drop a hint, its the "conflict" and "live" part.
>>336955008
I should have really put it another way. Who cares about its balance?
>>336954916
I'm just browsing through page one but holy shit you are retarded
>>336955080
>Dark Souls 2 worked the same way
Was this on console or something? I put over 600 hours into DS2 on PC, mostly doing PvP, and I rarely encountered ganks.
>>336955462
You are retarded, invasions consist of player versus player activity. The ember item alone warns you of invaders. If you are in ember form you are giving consent to being tenderly loved by invaders.
>>336955596
Good argument you have there, friend. Dont let me hold you though, go back to browsing for those juicy OW threads.
>>336955849
Oh boy, I am not arguing host isnt eligible to being "participant" in your pvp definition. Again, the problem is in the "conflict" and "live" part of the definition. Back to drawing board.
>>336955395
The only one who gets fucked in that scenario are reds.
>>336955307
And I know it seems like a dumb question i only ask because I was once summoned to the peak from the high wall but it seemed like an error
>>336956034
What problem moron? As far as I'm concerned it IS live conflict because it's happening in real time between two or more players.
>>336956137
>life conflict
How the fuck did you put it together? There are two problems. With the conflict part. And the second with the live part. Its ironic you would call me moron though.
>>336956036
You mean blues, since everyone wants the sick two tongue drop they have, and they have to clear the world of all invaders
>>336932778
God, I fucking hate spear and rapier fags so much. Such huge fucking reach, wide fucking hitboxes, fast attacks, great tracking. You can't roll to the side of a rapier or spear- it'll track you so fucking well all they need to do is spam r1.
I hope honest to God that anyone who has ever used a rapier or spear gets burnt alive and dies
>>336956334
>they have to clear the world of all invaders
nope
>>336934847
Bloodborne had my favorite PvP of the entire series. It's such a shame that bell maidens were only in 2 areas and if you did co-op.
If there was a bell maiden in every single area it would have been fucking perfect..
>>336956334
purples don't get bonus for killing blues. They get their shit by killing literally anyone, so everyone is a target. Blue get one reward for every red or purple they kill, so they're good.
Red on the other hand only gets their reward if the host dies.
>>336956262
Stop being retarded. How about you care to explain why I'm wrong instead of constantly repeating "lol you're wrong" like an ignoramus that has nothing to back up their argument.
>>336932778
>hurr I want to mess up someone's run
>hurr why won't they let me mess up his run??!!
Fuck you
>>336956557
lol you're wrong
>>336956689
Why should a host be allowed unlimited phantoms at the cost of one ember?
>>336956410
CSRfag here. I dont understand why they changed tracking on thrusting weapons. It used to be their weakness, now its their strength.
>>336956557
Sure thing. In the definition of PvP, there are two or more parties of live players in conflict. In invasions, there are 3 groups. They player +summons, the environment and the invader. Now invader is in conflict with the player and summons. Its his goal to kill them. Meanwhile player and summons are in conflict with environment, their goal is to get to the boss. And since Environment isnt live and there isnt a conflict from player to invader then its not PvP. Its PvE with player controller mob. So call it invasions. PvP is duels or arenas.
Not only is this factually correct, it doesnt lead to confusion.
>>336956484
shiieeeet i wasnt even thinking of rosario reds, i was thinking of sunlight reds but you might be right.
do sunlight reds get medals for everyone dead phantom?
what about the host, does he get shit from dead blues or sunlight invaders? I know the host gets nothing from reds, and shackles from purples.
>>336957127
I think the host will just get a ton of souls from every dead enemy phantom, meaning every time a red or purple dies. Also souls from all the NPC kills due to giant seed.
I think sunbro invader only get their reward if host dies, same as red.
>>336956410
>great tracking
great tracking? Just great?
The tracking on that estoc is literally the only reason people even use the estoc, it's not just great, it's absolutely fucking insane.
So what is the PvP level most people are going for end game? I just hit 120 since that's what it was while I was playig DaS1 and Bloodborne, but is it actually higher or lower?
Or are the Darkmoon Blades just broken?
>>336957379
just roll away from it. People only get fucked when they start rolling in circles around the estoc spammer. It's very easy to parry if you just spam parry with Caestus. Estoc can do aprox 2 attacks per second, and Caestus can do 2 parries per second. Due to low tick-rate, a parry will almost always connect if you just spam parry after their first 2 hits.
>>336956961
Because if you're thinking you want to go around killing people for fun willy-nilly, you better have the skills to back it up.
If Yuria never showed up in my world, can I still get chameleon? The pilgrim is absolutely nowhere to be found in the church.
>>336934000
Must suck not having friends.
I have like eight or nine friends that I regularly hang out with, and they all have Dark souls III. It's not an uncommon scenario for some of us to fight a boss together, or summon each other and use dried fingers to pull in phantoms.
I also have a group of three friends who finished the entirety of dark souls II and III together, so it's not like it's unheard of.
>>336956095
Vice versa for me, I think it's anywhere mane
>>336932778
I'm trying to farm the fucking concords with just 350 luck
IM
FUCKING
POSSIBLE
Meanwhile all my summoning sessions (the all 6 of them) as a blue ended up with me getting NOTHING
N
O
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I..
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Either because
1- the motherfucking red phantom kills the host before I can even move a foot
2- the gank squad saves the day
From is fucking incompetent when it comes to balancing the online in their games.
>>336957580
Why should a host be allowed unlimited phantoms at the cost of one ember?
>>336957495
you're way too high for darkmoons
the only people who wear the way of blue covenant item are people playing the game. you don't wanna go higher than 75 with a +8 weapon, 85 with a +10.
>>336957495
I get summoned once every 10 mins or so at level 75 blues. I NEVER get summoned at level 125. So my guess is don't go above level 80 if you want covenant PVP.
>>336956961
Sounds like you need to git gud
>>336934000
are you serious this happens literally every night with me and my mate. We have co-oped through every souls game and had heaps offun
>try out being an absolute madman
>get summoned to a guy being invaded
>start fighting the invader, almost beat them
>host comes in and kills me
>dies to the other invader
Why do you people do this? Also, what's the best way to go about being a madman? Putting down my sign or red eye invading people?
>>336946683
the charms effects are so short and they're hard to hit so I don't bother
>>336957576
oh I know that, although rolling backwards still isn't the greatest idea because most thrusting attacks have a good amount of phantom hitbox. I just stay away from rapiers and wait for them to come to me, then use hyperarmor.
Also, fuck the caestus and it's stupid instant parry. Every single day I wake up I pray that FROM has fixed that glitch.
I mean, it has to be a glitch right? No way they would make that intentional.
>>336957706
>>336957715
Okay, so new character the the Blades.
Should be fine for standard red or purple pvp though, right?
>>336957850
Just invade.
>>336957693
Because it's their game.
>>336957625
Thanks for subverting the game and turning it into a thing it was never supposed to be.
Ganksquads aren't even a problem, they tend to be made up of shitters. The bigger problem is Invading in NG at level 30 to a host in NG+++ who seems to be about level 120 and pops a seed.
>>336957962
It's my game as well if they use an ember.
>>336957926
Yep. Most fight clubs are after Pontiff, 80-130. 40-55 for Aldrich Faithful, 20-40 for Watchdogs. You'll always find someone to red or purple invade in any area that isn't easy or quick (Profaned Capital, for one).
>>336957850
You can do either or.
Just remember to bring hunter charms, the horse hoof ring, some white branches and a weapon of your choice.
You can either
>Actually help someone through an area like a white phantom
Or
>Pretend to help someone, wait for them to get ambushed and kill them
Two weapons, the Farron Greatsword and Dragonslayer Swordspear, are an invader's dream come alive when paired with an obscuring ring. Nothing feels better than flying out of the woodwork with the Farron greatsword while the hosts gang is taking on a big enemy, or picking someone off from behind invisibility with a bolt of heavenly judgement with the sword spear.
>>336958060
I'm that host. I like doing that in the Farron forest, or the first Irithyll area. Pretty funny seeing invaders get murdered by giant crabs/pontiff knights.
>>336957850
I put down my sign in settlement. It's either you help the host kill phantoms or he attacks you. Majority of the time he will die to mobs.
I remember getting summoned into a world with two other purple phantoms. We all ganged up and pushed his shit in, does that make us as bad as gankers?
>>336957897
>I mean, it has to be a glitch right? No way they would make that intentional.
Unfortunately I think it's intended. Caestus isn't the only weapon with that fast speed either. All fist weapons have it. The reason people use Caestus is because it weighs the least, at 0.5 weight.
The fanbase seems to have a hard-on for parries, so I doubt it will get changed. It used to be synonomous with skill, but it has become a cheap gimmick, where you can literally 1shot a guy from full health if you use Hornet Ring, if you just get one single parry of.
>>336936438
You should've died too faggot
>>336932778
>game with shitty pvp system is shitty
>waaahhh I can't gank new players as effectively as I could in previous installments
>this is lame, pvp isn't fun when the odds aren't fair!
>its completely fair when I invade new players with my 300 hours ultra build, what do you mean its cheap? 1v1 is fair!
lol Dark Souls pvp fags always have been the worst. Most of them are scrubs, I barely ever get invaded when playing late game content but when in a noob area I get invaded constantly. Then you fags pretend there is an honor code and you aren't just trying to gank noobs.
>>336958246
>three purps in one world
>not fighting each other for more shackles before the last guy killing the host
your way was funny at least
>>336957850
invade in the Aldrich or wolf zones. Go after the aldrich or wolf invaders. They have less health and less estus than the host, and host will probably help you kill them. This works because purples get reward for killing anyone, not just host.
>>336958360
people have a hard-on for parries in response to the straight sword spam at release, along with poise being replaced by a 2-attack stunlock that can let you get a parry off every single time if your opponent attacks more than twice. The caestus just makes a bad situation worse.
>>336958069
No it's not. You're literally going into their game.
> dueling at pontiff
> guy hits me with one r1 from his fire buffed dark sword
> 80% health gone
Was this guy cheating or what?
>>336958550
Personally I prefer the R1 spam over getting randomly 1shot after getting insta-parried, especially after I've been shitting on the dude.
>>336958815
What was your total health value? You might have just invaded a way higher level player.
>>336957875
don't misinfo, bro. the AoE and length is enough for a competent player.
>>336958884
About 23
>>336958815
if he used the right rings, and had low equip load, and a +10 dark sword, it sounds plausible, especially if you haven't invested much into health.
>>336958869
I do to, I'm just stating why everything is like it is.
The worst part is that apart from that the actual pvp combat is probably the best in the series. Same feel of movement from 1, but it's like 2 where things like spacing and timing actually matter, albeit less so.
>>336958785
When you ember you are literally asking to be invaded.
>>336959114
or maybe, just maybe the guy is literally asking for more health for PVE encounters.
Around the grapes expect the japes
>>336959258
That's what offline mode is for.
>trying to beat champ at level 36 + 200 AR for the Hornet Ring
how do I gg
and can his attacks be parried
if so which ones
>Wearing Armor of Thorns set
>Use curved greatsword against full Havel guy with ultra greatsword
>We both 2-hand R1
>Neither of us stagger
>ultra swings slower than curved so I get my second hit off faster and wreck him
I'm enjoying it but is it honestly fair?
>>336959093
yeah the PVP is a lot smoother and more responsive than older games, which ironically might be why parrying has become such a gimmick. It has become too reliable because of the improved netcode, whereas before it always used to be a gamble.
>>336959114
Bruh, that's like saying a woman in a dress is asking to be raped. You fucking victim shamer.
>>336959491
Yeah he can be parried. I don't think his shoulder bash, punch, or kick can be parried though.
>>336959491
Parry those huge wind up ones, the stab and circle slash, you'll have plenty of time to think about when to parry.
Roll and punish everything else
>>336959594
All women deserve rape.
>>336959491
his halberd attacks can be parried. You could use the carthus milk (or blood?) ring for more i-frames for dodging, since he will fuck you regardless if he manages to hit you.
>>336959579
that was intentional in previous games though. parrying in pvp for 1 and 2 was about predicting whether your opponent was going to attack you at that instant or not. The more educated your guess, the better. Now with the caestus and the 2-hit stunlock it's just purely reaction based, so you can teach a neanderthal how to parry within a day.
What's the best weapon for a 40/30 dex/str build? Currently using pic related.
>>336957379
Okay, absolutely fucking absurd tracking. I can beat rapierfags if I get my timing and spacing right, but spears have such fucking good reach that I can't compete.
So I am a total noob at this game only been playing for a couple days, why is it that everytime I invade someone there are like 2 other faggots with him to protect his ass. Why do people care so much about not losing they have to get their gaybois in with them, I just wanted a nice assassination or a duel but 3v1 is just autistic children who want to win too badly. Whats so bad about losing an invasion what am I missing out on?
>It's another "Invading Red Phantom / Sunbro / Purple Phantom attack Watchdogs while they're trying to kill the host" episode
Are people just fucking retarded? WE ALL HAVE THE SAME FUCKING GOAL
>mfw purple invader
>>336959856
use whatever feels good to you. If you're asking which weapon has highest dps, it will probably be a refined Dark Sword or Estoc, since they have very low stamina cost and fast attack speed.
>>336959858
spears are the bane of anything without a long and fast rolling r1, like the 2h BKGA rolling r1. I swear it's actually impossible to beat a spear user without parrying if you don't have a good poke.
>>336959937
just hide behind NPCs and attack when they attack the npcs. Eventually you will bleed them dry of estus.
Is there any reason why if you die after you invade, you drop your souls at that spot? DaS 2 had you drop your souls where you were standing when you used a cracked orb.
>>336960029
Friendly fire does happen
But reds who attack other reds/bluereds are scum.
Can't get mad at purples, they're mad
>>336960035
The red should be smiling
>>336960029
purples don't actually
also I invade as sunbro and I've never seen another sunbro attack another invader, although there was a time where 2 aldrich's and a blue ganged up on me
made me really mad, because by the time I killed all of them the host had hidden himself halfway across the map with seed of tree of giants, and I just didn't feel like looking for him.
>>336960056
Man, it's good to know it isn't just me. I use the pontiff knight sword... Fucking great weapon but it doesn't have a poke and the rolling attack/R2 is literal dogshit.
I can beat almost any weapon in the game reliably if I play right, but fucking spears destroy me every time. Oh and those FUCKING double poke swords. Jesus fuck
Just put a sign outside of pontif and join some fight club. Took me less than 2 hours to farm all 30.
>B-but I'm bad at PvP!
Why do even try to invade then?
>>336960142
another mechanic to discourage invasions. Really don't like the change. Also an invitation to git gud
>>336958024
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I remember back in DaS 1 and 2 whenever people mentioned playing offline or complaining about getting invaded you fags told them invasions are part of the game and to deal with it and now look at you
>>336960305
>spend all my souls
>invade
bravo Miyazaki?
>>336960119
why though? that doesnt sound like fun? Why should I care about winning that badly? I just want to stalk someone then blow em up or have an epic duel. I love to win and I am competitive but whats the prize what is my motivation? I cant shit talk the kid or gloat about my victory PvP just seems fucking pointless.
>>336958869
I'll take parry any day over the R1 spam straightswords, because the way rolls and stamina and healing works, there's no fucking way to deal with it, especially if you are using a subpar weapon type.
It's just dumb though that then the best weapons also have the best ripostes on top of that, while the worst ones don't do nearly as much.
And the free healing is fucking dumb.
>>336960196
>Can't get mad at Purples
>"i CAN EITHER TEAM UP WITH THIS OTHER INVADING PHANTOM AND FIGHT THE HOST AND KILL THE HOST WHEN THE HOST HAS A PHANTOM OF HIS OWN"
>"NAH ILL ATTACK THIS ASSHOLE INSTEAD EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE WAY EASIER GETTING MY SHACKLE IF I JUST TEAMED UP WITH HIM"
Purple phantoms are fucking morons.
>summon 2 friends
>go to invasion hot spot
>seeded, waiting for people to invade
>gank them
>get fanmail
salty faggots really are fun to piss off.
>>336960475
WILD CARD BITCHES. YEEEEHAAA XD
>>336960475
purple phantoms get their reward for killing anyone. In fact, if there's many phantoms in the hosts world, they NEED to kill up to 3 phantoms just to get their reward. If host dies before they meet their quota, they get NOTHING. So keep that in mind, they are actually doing it for a reason.
fuck that. what i want to know is why nobody wants to have FUN.
>invade
>don't attack host ever
>emote and point in direction of bonfire and sit out of the way
>people try to attack anyways and refuse to emote back
>gang rape with estocs and dark swords then emote while i'm dying
like serious, what the fuck. does nobody understand this shit?
>>336960680
The way I have fun is killing RPing faggots like you
>>336960408
its fun to me, especially when you hide behind strong NPCs like the red-eye fucker knights on the way to twin princes.
>>336932778
Roll roll attack
>>336960618
What? No way man, it's kill host or a stupid number of phantoms.
>>336959573
I was really upset to learn great hammers don't get hyper armor on their two handed R1. What's the point of using a 24 weight weapon that can't stagger any better than any other weapon, and can't take a hit better than other equally-big-but-lighter ones?
>>336960680
they can't sit at bonfire and refill their estus until invader has died.
>>336960760
that does sound kind of fun I just think its fucking stupd when i invade someone and its just him and his wank buddy jacking each other off waiting to team up on an invader.
>>336960680
fuck man I know that feel
>walk up to host and his crew
>cast a spell at them
>they all flip out and start rolling frantically
>it was aural decoy
>they start charging at me
>dont lift a finger once and just keep spamming aural decoy and dodging attacks
>inevitably die because spells cost stamina
>they start taunting my dead body
i should change my name to DINDU NUFFIN or something, just make a statement about how merciless gank squads are
>>336960618
>kill the host or x phantoms
This is what it says whenever you invade someone as a Mound Maker.
I don't mind when I get ganked by people actually trying to complete the level.
But when it's 3 faggots literally just sitting by the bonfire to bait phantoms into the host's world and endlessly farm them, then I think they're cunts.I was invading in Anor Londo and kept getting the same group of 3 players that were all using greatshields and dark swords/estocs while spamming le epic troll gestures. Fuck these people.
>>336960618
Yeah, no shit, but why the fuck would you want to kill multiple targets instead of just killing one? What kind of fucking idiots choose possible multiple phantoms over the one host?
Option A
>Team up with this Red Phantom(s) or Watchdogs(s) when the host has his own phantoms so the host dies and I get my Shackle no fuss no muss
Option B
>Attack my would be ally and if I kill now I have to fight the host and his phantoms on my own
Wow, I wonder what the better option is 99.9% of the time.
>>336960838
they can still touch the bonfire though. or they can go into a boss fight and bone out. its not that hard.
>>336960747
>i dont know how to play dark souls
ok. enjoy getting destroyed by an invader that actually wants to fuck your day
Everytime I get invaded its almost always 2 people
Same shit happened in DS2 which made me quit shortly after ironkeep
>>336961008
Damn, you suck dude. This is mother fucking Dark Souls, go be a little bitch in Dota or Overwatch. Those games are right up your little boy alley.
>>336961008
I cannot fucking stand invading multiple people all using the dark sword/estoc/washing pole.
Even just one person swapping between two of those lets you know, this is a fag who has no creativity or desire for fun. I'm making tons of characters trying to use all sorts of different weapon types and it's frustrating how they're just lacking in viability because of how good these other ones are in comparison.
>>336961049
I've destroyed plenty of invaders that have supposedly come to ruin my day. Get out of my game faggot I want to sit at the bonfire and go to the shrine.
>>336961248
>guy is using any other weapon in the game
>start destroying him
>he panic switches to estoc and starts spamming R1
>>336961248
Hey, the washing pole fits for my katana edgemaster build. It's really just there to punish people who sips like negros at a grape drank fountain.
>Go to doorway leading to area after Pontiff
>Pop Dried Finger whilst you're rocking the Blue Sen covenant
>Take a step out then step back in
>You'll be in the safe area where Phantom can't reach
>You've just unleashed hell between Reds/Purples/Blues all whilst safe behind a fog wall
>>336960807
>great hammers don't get hyper armor on their two handed R1
The fuck? Really?
>>336960475
>IT WOULD BE WAY EASIER GETTING MY SHACKLE
Yeah, that's why I participate in Dark Souls PvP.
Fucking Warmth.
Blues are the only ones who are scrounging for covenant items, everyone else is just looking to have a good time, and being able to set your own goals is what makes Mound Makers fun.
>Playing through the game solo
>Spend about 85% of my playthrough embered.
>Been invaded by a non-npc a whopping 1 time
This shit goes both ways. Invasions were a good way to change things up. Having once every one or two areas would be nice.
>>336932778
It was irritating at first but it made me step up my game, only like 1/10 of the gank squads are actually competent. My real gripe is the connection error that seemingly often happens when their phantoms are dead.
>>336958393
>>336937509
le edge squad
>>336961920
>My real gripe is the connection error that seemingly often happens when their phantoms are dead.
that's ragequitters, man, and that is worth more than a vertebra/tongue for me
>kill both phantoms
>host is now shitting himself and desperately running away
>>336962031
I know but I still want my fucking reward. I prefer it when they roll off a cliff or something.
>>336957038
This might be the most autistic post I've ever seen
>>336954218
IMagine 3 shitters with just as much poise as you
As if healing wasnt already hard to punish (MUH LLOYDS)
>>336958156
Wouldn't have a problem with it if invading gave priority to invading people on the same NG loop as you tbqh, seeds are hilarious.
>>336961820
it's usually the strong attacks that get hyper armor.
>>336961907
it's incredibly easy to fuck up your matchmaking by either being too high or too low level for an area, or by not upgrading or over-upgrading your weapon (relative to your level).
>>336962806
>shitters with just as much poise as me
They'd be fatrolling and slow as fuck, or actually with wasted points in vitality and a weaker build overall? I can actually escape them now because they're so fucking slow and I can roll circles around them? Meanwhile I can ACTUALLY swing my large weapon around without having to bait someone into my VERY slow attack's small amount of hyperarmor?
Fuck you, poise will NOT help shitters as much as it helps good players.
>>336938209
Why would any host put their trust in a purple that invaded their world when they can just summon regular phantoms that CANT hurt them?
>>336962996
I could see plenty of summon signs including reds. I also didn't have any problems getting invasions myself either.
I think that at the moment, there are so many people playing with phantoms/way of blue/both that with the way its prioritized its not that likely to get invaded as a solo player.
>>336963697
I got invaded a ton, at least once per area. In Aldrich zones I got 2 aldrich fuckers and one red, easily. In wolf zones, same deal.
>>336963397
If their weapon is lighter they will be able to stack more poise than you and still keep their roll.
>>336932778
after this initial buzz i guarantee itll be better, so many people are playing till die down cause now its actually "cool", but its still early on
if this doesnt make sense im high af btw
>>336963835
Oh yeah shit I forgot about the aldrich dudes. I got invaded by two after pontiff.
>>336963951
DUDE
Can someone explain what makes Dark Sword so good? Am i just not seeing it? It seems kinda good but i dig the other straight swords much more.
>Sunlight Straightsword for that sweet buff
>Astora Straight for that crazy early game raw
>Barbed Straight sword for that quick bleed and hollow infusion
I've seen dark sword being a popular Chaos infusion but that's about it.
>>336963886
But larger weapons do more stagger/poise damage, so they will need A LOT of poise to eat a UGS attack. Meanwhile, eating a longsword R1 does not need a lot of poise.
>>336964261
dark sword has a pretty severe phantom range, meaning it hits way outside its actual visible hitbox.
>People having trouble with R1 spammers
>I just black knight sword battle art and crush trough them
>>336962587
We both know that if you have been here for more than month thats not true. Also go on and find a flaw in the logic.
>>336964535
Oh so it's incredibly strong thanks to a hitbox oversight? Good god that sounds awful.
>>336964558
mah nigga
people stupid enough to run right into the charged R2 are my favorite
>>336964261
Isn't the sunlight straightsword slightly lighter with about 4-7 more damage?
>>336958024
He's no more or less subverting the game than people who circlejerk 'the meta'
>>336941986
>that orgasmic screaming
[Raughing]
>>336934430
ArtificialFriendship
There is ZERO point in going 40/40 for a quality build.
Just go 27 str, and two hand to hit your 40str sweetspot of damage.
>all these summonbabby apologists
>invading is wrong
>Have made multiple characters
>Tried many different levels
>Haven't had a single Watchdog summon since I started at launch
Does it just not work for some people or what? I can't get summoned as a Blue either. Invading as a red takes all of half a second but not once have I ever been summoned in.
>>336964630
Yep, you're definitely a special one
>>336936438
yeah rip
>invade Irithyll at SL 35 with a Raw Red Hilted Halberd
>Leo Ring/Lloyd's Sword Ring/Lloyd's Shield Ring/Life Ring setup + High VIG + Deep Protection miracle
>expect to have a difficult time
>instead I get 21 tongues (19 regular tongues and a forked one.) in about 2 hours because people don't know how to deal with Perseverance
Honestly, it's really not that hard to win against ganksquads. You have a lot of options as an invader; You just have to get creative and play smart. Most hosts and phantoms love to R1 spam, so having Perseverance or a parrying tool around really helps. Many are also very foolish and will follow you into enemies, allowing you to disable their estus with an undead hunter charm or hit them with your weapon/spell while they're distracted. The ones that use a giant's seed are a bit tougher to deal with, but having the seed active allows you to aggro enemies into them.
I feel like the people who complain a lot about invasions either have shit setups or aren't using enemies and the environment to their advantage.
As an invader, your objective is to kill the host. Don't be afraid to use dirty tactics in order to do so. Run to enemies, backstab them, turn invisible-- whatever. You're there to fuck them up so stop being a pussy.
>>336965103
Watchdogs are pretty botched because the level range for swamp is so small, You'd get those bladegrass faster from farming
>>336946230
>haven't seen a single blue in 100+ invasions
I wanted to kill justicefags...
>>336932778
Mound-Makers prioritizes sessions with multiple players in them, whether that means white/gold phantoms or other invaders depends on the location and a few other factors.
As for why people summon help, who knows. You could debate about it forever. It's a fact of life that some people like playing games with other people, and it's also a fact that some people just summon to be carried.
>>336958394
>>its completely fair when I invade new players with my 300 hours ultra build, what do you mean its cheap? 1v1 is fair!
I know this is bait but you realize this is impossible in DaS3, right?
>>336965103
Got summond as a watchdog once. Host immediately disconnected.
>>336964261
High base damage combined with good scaling.
I'm with you, though. There are many other, better straight swords. I don't really know why the Dark Sword in particular got so popular considering other straight swords are much easier to obtain.
>>336964535
Dunno about you, but in my experience it seems like ALL straight swords have that problem. Although I think it's because, like the Estoc, a person using a straight sword turns around really far when they mash R1 with it, making it really easy to hit someone who isn't rolling backwards.
>>336965235
nice blog about how you have to twink hard just to kill new players
>>336964397
UGS are also a great bit slower. Here's how I see it playing out:
>Player 1 and Player 2 are fighting
>Player 1 is using an UGS and player 2 is using an estoc.
>Both swing and the attacks connect at the same time.
>Player 2 takes a considerable amount more damage.
>Thanks to poise neither is staggered and can follow up.
>In the time it takes player 1 to connect with his next swing, player 2 can get in 2-3 more hits, likely turning the damage trade in his favor (or at least evening it out) and possibly breaking player 1's poise.
All the straightsword/estoc/dark sword fags would need is enough poise to tank 1 UGS hit, which they would probably have since their weapons are WAY lighter than UGS, great hammers, etc.
If poise were added to the game as it is right now, it would most likely inly amplify the problems.
>>336965531
they do all have that problem, but Dark Sword has the range of ultra greatsword.
>>336934000
As you can see the "git gud" crowd were always summon fags.
>>336944251
Sounds like you get shoved into the hacker server Anon, hackers are rare for most people that aren't big streamers.
>>336957875
If you know they're backing up to chug, throw it, the chug animation is long enough that they WILL get hit and won't be able to chug again. Then chase them with a fast weapon to roll catch.
>>336965590
>BAWWWW WHY WON'T THEY FIGHT ME IN HONORBRU COMBAT
Fuck off you colossal pussy.
>>336965590
Uh, what? I'm in the average level range for Irithyll.
>>336965919
>you colossal pussy.
says the twink. Epic. Come play at level 75+, or wait, you did and got stomped, so you reroll to fight new players. What a champ.
>>336966050
>SL 35
>average level range for Irithyll.
nope.
>invade
>two sunbro knights
>host is far-casting
>deadangle R2 one
>finish off the other
>roll into host
>he disconnects
wew
Gank squads are fun even if moments like these are 1/20 invasions for me because I get pummeled most of the time
>>336966050
I just rolled a pyro yesterday and I hit 35 in cathedral, didn't even soul farm
>>336934897
Almost my nigga, I use the untrue dark ring instead of the hornet because I can't RP as Trusty Patches with beef jerky skin.
>>336966126
Not the same guy you dumb faggot. I'm stuck with potato internet since I'm living innawoods. I haven't been able to actually invade since DaS2. I'm just saying if you play online and complain about invaders then maybe you should just play offline instead of bitching about invaders.
I love invading, but my current connection would make it a Jap-Stab match for both me and my host so I'd rather not make it workable for everyone involved.
>>336966321
I have nothing against invaders. I do have something against twinks who can't handle PVP against equally geared people, so they go harass new players while wearing items that are 20-30 levels ahead of what they should be wearing at that level, giving them a massive advantage.
I had a guy invade me at level 30 in the Wolf zone, and it was obvious how he had endgame items, like full Estus and Bone Shard, so he actually had more Estus than me as the host, and his Estus healed him 100%. It's just lame and shows how bad that player is to need such a big advantage.
>>336965681
>player 1 making multiple trades
if he rolls away/parries after the first hit he wins every time, thanks to poise
furthermore, if player 1 landed a charged R2 (which GS users actually use unlike R1 longsworders) he WILL knock the enemy down regardless of havels
your assumption rides solely on two people mashing r1 on each other in full havels, in which case yes, estoc will win the dps race, but that will never happen with good players who will love the new poise
>tfw NPC invaders have kicked my teeth in more than regular players
>>336966778
I don't know if its intentional or not, but I like how they L1 spam sometimes like regular people.
>>336966778
npc invaders have much more hp and damage than players, and their attacks will track you to where you roll. They're meant to be hard, but you can cheese them by stunlocking usually.
>>336966778
>The summon sign Holy knight Hodrick that reposte you for 900+ damage
>>336933289
just to summon them and wreck people like you in pvp
>>336936616
its
>"NICE DRAKE SWORD, FAGGOT"
>>336966624
in 3 you are tied to your highest weapon level. If that guy isn't a CE using faglord, that means he went through the whole game at SL30-40, and if this is in farron keep then he would have to do with nothing more than a +6 weapon, max. He probably earned that one.
>>336967125
>tfw host doesn't expect you to kill his bodyguards and panic rolls off a cliff
>>336966194
>>336966225
I thought it was 40. Are you saying I can level up if I want to without hurting my chances to invade?
Because, holy shit, I would love some more ATT and FAI.
>>336966778
I am actually disappointed how easy they are. The added phantoms in SOTFS in DLC were real cunts, worse than some players. Now they can all just be stunlocked for all your stamina.
>>336966778
>equip UGS
>charge my R2 as enemy runs at me
>release it right when they start to attack
>they go flying backwards
>walk up to them charge it again as they start to stand up
>release, they go flying again
>rinse, repeat until dead for every monster/NPC invader everywhereanything that poises through it though can eat my ass, fuck you giant snake dudes from archdragon peak, and FUCK YOU NAMELESS KING
>>336967375
It all depends on the phantom honestly, Some take it like a bitch while others like Holy Knight can one-shot riposte you and Tsorig can easily poise trough and instakill you
>>336967339
I was getting constant invasions at 50.
Slowed down a bit at 65 but never more than a minute or so.
It's no where near the hard meta yet.
>>336967467
>bait an R2
>roll into his charge
>backstab
>he starts R1 spamming
It's not every time, but it's pretty satisfying when I hit it.
Farron spammers are the worst by far though.
>>336967467
>tfw I only switched to Astora UGS after Abyss Watchers on my first playthrough, before that I was using Bastard Sword
>Discovered the cheese potential on so many enemies and NPCs with charged R2 spam
>Have done it for the past 4 times I've done Abyss Watchers now
I feel dirty.
>>336967296
>He probably earned that one.
that's what twinkstars tell themselves, that they deserve to have a MASSIVE advantage over other players because they ran past everything, and glitched bosses. You overestimate how hard it is. In fact, its easier to run past everything than having to fight. I did it on one character just to see how hard it was, and it wasnt hard at all. Level 30 and I'm already at untended graves.
Just accidentally sold the wrong spell, Any way to retrieve it or am i looking at a full replay situation?
>>336967992
either finish the game and get a new spell at ng+ or reroll.
>>336967375
Speaking of SoTFS NPCs, I'm disappointed how less interactive invaders and co-op phantoms are this time around, especially since none of them aren't Maldron-tier anymore.
>>336966778
It's okay anon, that one nigger in Archdragon peak by the bonefire fucked me up repeatedly.
>tfw you're finally about to kill him and Havel fucking falls through the ceiling and smashes the ever loving tits out of you.
Seriously, I kept waiting for it to happen again, but it never did. I had no idea where he even was until I got up to the roof and saw him guarding a slab.
Must have been a glitch.
I'm surprised people still try to make it seem like pvp in Dark Souls is srs business. I do find it fun but its completely broken and there is no balance. You just invade or defend and have a good time doing it.
>>336968507
I think those snake guys have a small chance of spawning havel instead of a drakeblood knight. First time it happened to me I shit my pants.
>>336968654
>mfw he spawns ANOTHER havel
>>336965235
Post build,Red Hilted Halberd is my weaponfu
>>336968423
DELETE THIS MALDRON YOU PIECE OF SHIT
>know a couple of guys who play DaS3
>they always want me to co-op with them in the easiest areas
>for some reason it doesn't occur to them that I'm trying to progress too
>I also hate invading ganks
>make up excuses to not do co-op
I found out they don't bother me if I play bloodborne so I've been doing that a lot lately
>>336934000
I literally did this for like 3 playthroughs with my roommate in DS2.
>>336968654
Oh that make sense, this happened before I realized the snake was summoning the knights.
>invade
>gank-squad
>good match, no one is being shitty
>somehow win after a long-ass time
I love matches like that even if I don't win.
Getting slightly better at dealing with groups, even ones that spam pyromancies.
>>336968654
>>336969091
>I think those snake guys
it's one of those fat-ass enemies that summons the NPC enemies that aren't invaders, but he's slightly different, did he have snake face? I don't remember
>>336932778
>dueling at pontiff all day
>waiting for the perfect opening for me to charge with my lightning buffed astorags
>tfw i melt people's health bars with the double charge
Why is this weapon so fun?
>>336969178
>tfw you get so good at fighting people that you start equipping shit to catch them running away to estus instead of equipping stuff for the actual fighting
w-will they ever fix the poking hitboxes?
Shit reaches farther than my claymore a lot of the time.
Here's how priority works for you retards:
>Host with Phantoms and finger active
>Host with Phantoms
>Host solo with finger active
>Host solo
Here's how the priority works for the fun police:
>You get one cop every 20 minutes.
>Fuck off.
>>336969230
He gets a snake neck when you kill him so
>>336969332
I really should keep range supplies, but I like slowly rolling into them after they realize they're fucked.
It's really amazing how often I catch people off-guard with dead-angles though.
>>336969242
The Astora GS has won me so many fights with the charge. When someone's low on stamina after I dodge their attacks they'll always roll backwards and I just CHAAAARGE them and cinch the kill.
That being said, the astora UGS has lost me even more invasions because you can't do shit against gank squads except pray for a parry
>>336969385
>every 20 minutes.
I've still never been summoned to this stupid ass covenant but every time I invade the fucking blue man group is there
>>336969230
I think he did, though I think he was also wearing a gold mask/helm, so I might be mistaken.
But considering everything else in that fucking place is basically a snake or a dodongo, I'd say its a safe assumption.
>>336969583
I literally went in to the Crucifixtion Woods, poppepd a Seed, popped a finger, joined WoB, and used a white branch.
I sat there for THREE HOURS.
I got like, 3 blues. Every time a red/purple/watchdog/sunred died or left they were instantly replaced.
There was like forty fucking badguys, and I got 4 fun police over 3 hours.
Can darkmoon pick up items? I was dropping concords for this guy since i finishing farming them a while back and he wouldn't pick them up no matter what I did.
>>336969969
Maybe he wants to earn them you faggot.
>>336936438
:'(
>>336969469
try Gundir Halberd's Champion Charge (changing the finishing blow with R2ing the end), it always gets people rolling to your side, it's fucking amazing
>>336969614
>>336969434
probably, I guess
>tfw I had read something about Havel dropping his shit once you killed him
>tfw I found his fake summoned version and he killed me because I missed 1 roll
>tfw I got desperate thinking I perma-missed his gear
boy was I relieved when I got to the top of that place
>>336932778
>invade other player's game
>whine that they gang up on you
deal with it, you invaded their game. You are not entitled to anything.
>>336969969
You can't pick up covenant rewards from other players
>>336970093
One thing I do wish is that they put up walls on invasions though.
Huge ass areas playing hide & Seek for hours when they don't go to the unofficial meeting place gets pretty annoying
.
>>336965103
The level that worked best for me for Big Dogs was 30. Though like other anons have said, you could farm bladegrass from thost purple goat things in the swamp.
A little over 300 Item Discovery and I had all 30 in about an hour and a half.
>>336970358
Meeting place? What if they don't want to follow some retarded honor code?
>playing pirate fix
>no one invades
>can't invade at all
>still get messages and blood stains, signs once in a blue moon
Maximum comfy
>>336969504
I only like it for duels only. Otherwise I can't be fucked to use it vs gankers
>>336970409
>invade at profane
>aren't at the bonfire
>aren't at the church
>aren't at the giant
>aren't at Yohrm's wall or at the very end of the lowest level
>run all through the dungeon
>checking the cells
>check every mimic
>they end up being at Siggy's cell
>not even with camo or anything
>just strafing back and forth ready for me before he even sees me
>probably was doing this the whole fucking time
>r2 and a few r1s
>they try to parry twice
>ded
I'm not asking for muh areana, just close some areas man.
Can anyone tell me how long it takes to make PvP builds? I think you can only respec one character a certain amount of times.
DS1,2: host defends himself against invaders
DS3: invader defense himself against host
>>336971061
You can respec five times per NG, but if you don't give a shit about progressing stuff like covenants you can back up your save and swap to it whenever you want to try a new build
>>336971061
5 times a game but if you need to respec over 5 times you are a idiot
>>336970923
like I said, what if they aren't following some retarded honor code because you invaded their game?
You PvP fucks think every poor fool you invade has to follow these stupid "honor" codes
>>336970923
God, fucking this
>invade
>pop up in the beginning of the level of irithyll dungeon, next to the beginning bonfire
>look around, he ONLY killed the first guard near entrance
>check near bonfire, he didnt unlock the shortcut, nor is he camoflauged, nor hiding outside the dungeon in very beginning
>try retracing his steps through the level in a way that wouldn't aggro any monsters
>after 5 minutes of thoroughly searching run through the level blindly
>end up finding him in profaned fucking capital
Why the FUCK did the game put me in the very entrance, and how the fuck did he get there and only killed one creature
>>336971224
Well no one needs to respec, I'm asking in terms of making a pvp build. You can build quite a few different characters just for PvP alone
>>336971498
I don't even care about honor codes.
But hiding in an obscure place hoping I'll leave from impatience is shitty.
Dark Souls 4 really needs to be mostly multiplayer with just barely some pve. The vast majority of the player base plays DS because of the pvp, not the pve. All the hype leading up to even Ds3 was centered around the pvp only.
>Started a new character, made a Warrior, going the Smough Hammer route for fun
>Decide to help out whoever in High Wall
>Get summoned by a guy named "Prince Leoric."
>Herewego.png
>Summons another Phantom
>As we reach the first ghoul that turns into a goo monster, get invaded
>I try to be nice and let the fag have a 2 on 1 duel with the Host instead of a 3 on 1
>He tries to fucking backstab me
>He continues to nip at our heels for a while
>Try to be nice again near the fatty after the ladder
>He tries to backstab me again
>Rejoin Host going for Estus Shard
>Deal with that, go back
>We kill the Fatty and Host goes for the Elevator Shortcut for some reason
>Offer a 1v1 with the other Phantom
>Darkwraith (his name) turns it down and hides behind the 2 big Knights with shields on the bridge to Way of Blue
>Eventually kills the other Phantom
>Finally get mad and start fighting the fag
> Nearly die
>Get to Host and we 2 man him cause he's unwilling to accept a little courtesy from a Phantom who he gets NOTHING for killing
Am I a retard or was he just a raging homosexual. Cause I feel like I'm being a retard being nice in this game.
>>336968915
>20 VIG
>15 END
>14 STR/DEX (base reqs for the RHH)
>20 FAI (for Deep Protection)
Everything else is at base. Since I only use buffs, I equip the Witchtree Bellvine as my catalyst because it has the fastest casting speed of all chimes/talismans.
Also, I chose Cleric as my starting class because I intended for the build to be a LCK/FAI hybrid until I realized that you needed +10 Hollow weapons/shields in order to get the +5 Luck boost from hollowing. You could probably have a better stat spread if you went with Knight or Herald or something.
>>336972006
I saw a Let's Play video of DS1 where a guy got invaded, hid in a corner and the invader searched the entirety of Anor Londo, even opening that shortcut for the giant's blacksmith
>>336970923
>Put down Mad Phantom sign in Cathedral of the Deep
>Get summoned
>Usually take the opportunity to kill people's Giants for them
>Giants are already dead
>All the shortcuts are opened
>Find him waiting past the ladder to the rafters area
>He's clearly visible as you climb up the ladder
>MFW I realize he summoned someone, then ran away and hid for many minutes to "ambush" them
Quick question about pyromancy. I know that 40/40 is what you're supposed to shoot for, but since my build won't allow it, and the best I can go is 35/35, would it be better to put on the Scholar and Priestess rings for +5 FTH/INT and use the Old Witch's Ring for +20%, or would it be better to use the Old Witch, Flame Clutch, and Great Swamp for 47% off the 35/35?
Bumping with booty.
>>336972029
Nah man.
I love both.
And MP-only games are a very bad idea.
I love Souls PvE, didn't do a whole lot of PvP until 3 though.
>mfw trying to get the darkmoon blade
why is life pain
>>336972158
And before you ask about my 4th slot: I need the Darkmoon Ring for dem sweet two extra slots since my ATT is only 18
>>336972264
>darkmoon blade
Is that any good?
>>336972105
Honestly, that's probably the best way to deal with Painted World.
>Get invaded
>Hide
>Wait while Invader searches high and low, opens the front gates and possibly even turns the crank to open the door to Priscilla
>>336972158
35/35 is still good for pyromancies. Just stick with the Great Swamp/Witch rings.
>>336972029
>vast majority plays for pvp
Facts?
>>336972105
I hide from invaders all the time. I get about half of them to rage quit. It's like hide and seek. They leave I win, they find me I still usually win because of l33t dark sword spam.
So what's a better method for cracked eyes other than the two dickwraiths before watchers?
They're not bad but there has to be a faster way.
>doing 120 SL invasions
>10 invasions 10 ganks on bonfire
should I roll a lower SL character?
>>336932778
because i dont give a shit about your enjoyment of the game, and in fact absolutely destroying you tag team with my bf makes me laugh
>>336972443
Just look at youtube. All the top videos are always pvp based ones. No one cares that you killed a boss with no damage taken. PvE in Souls is just boring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq7Xevr0Wxc
You can't do this in pve.
>>336959856
That is. Seriously think it's the best PvP weapon out there that actually requires skill.
>>336972369
Aight. Thanks senpai.
By the by, I'm asking this because the build I'm running is a Luck-based Pyromancer. I want to see if using Hollow infusions, since they allow you to buff and increase bleed, will give me better damage since I had to sacrifice STR and DEX
>>336972036
Kindness will get you killed in this game. I remember I teamed up with a Mad Phantom to try to kill a host and his two phantoms. We were able to kill the phantoms together but he backstabbed me when I aimed for the host.
>>336972495
Getting a real red eye orb is a good option.
>>336972824
O-oh right, forgot those were a thing.
>>336972029
Nah. Souls PvP is mess, unbalanced, and lacks depth.
It's biggest strength is that it's interesting and varied. Human adversaries as a price for human allies is a fun idea, and there's tons of different builds and weapons to play with, but it works best when you're interrupting their otherwise single-player or co-op content. Removing it from that context (like in duels or arena battles) usually just highlights the flaws, imbalance, and lag issues.
PvP contributes a lot to the REplayability, for sure, but the actual first experience through all the world, seeing all the areas, meeting the characters, and overcoming the bosses is the real draw of the series.
>>336972036
>offer him a coutersy
>he's being scummy
Yeah you're a tard
>>336972618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT53-4SXCBE
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>>336972101
Um,I went with knight and ended up putting stats on str than fai and I am level 36 already so I think I should respec?
>>336972709
Raw will probably out-perform Hollow unless you increase Luck to the softcap (40) or somewhere around that range. Although, it's not like that matters too much considering you can still buff your weapon and, in case you need them, you still have pyromancies and shit to use.
>>336972495
For invasions? Get the red eye orb, it's unlimited. Talk to the faglord who gives you the cracked orbs after you have a pale finger to get the key and then you go to the tower on the wall. Go down the stairs into the room and down the stairs again and unlock the door. Go down the elevator and kill the wraith for the drop
>>336972709
There's vids out there on YouTube about hollow infusions. More damage but not by much
Does your torch as a dark-spirit illuminate those things in Irithyll? Or have I been doing something really silly trying to be nice?
>>336973049
>Raw will probably out-perform Hollow unless you increase Luck to the softcap (40)
I did. I have 30 and plan on using a +10 Hollow weapon and shield for the extra 10 Luck. It also doesn't completely nuke the original scaling, and I have 20/22 STR and DEX to use as many bleed/fire weapons as possible.
So by my estimate I have good fire damage with the Carthus Flame Arc and pyro, above-average bleed chance and decent-good physical damage due to Hollow infusion and 40 Luck.
>>336932778
Dealing with gank squads is easy as long as you follow these simple steps.
1. Cheese like a motherfucker. DS3 invasions will more than likely involve scenarios where you are outnumbered, so be as prepared as possible to deal with any situation, preferably with superior gear and good knowledge of movesets and tactics.
2. Don't get greedy. Ganksquads have one flaw: flexibility. More than once I've 3v1 or even 4v1 a ganksquad and managed to get a killing strike on the host because they were out of position and left me with an opening. Just wait for the right moment and strike hard when it shows up.
3. If your opponents have good tactics to the point where you can't do anything, Git gud fgt
>>336972618
>meme video has a lot of views
more news at eleven
here have a popular pve video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diYRsPEVNQU
>>336973039
That's up to you. What would you respec to? I'm actually really underleveled for Irithyll. Apparently the average level range is, like, 40-50. If you're gonna invade there, you should be ok leveling up a couple more times.
Honestly, VIG is the most important stat for low level invasions. Having a lot of it lets you take a lot of hits, which is great because you're more than likely going to be fighting more than one person when you invade.
>>336973272
>plan on using a +10 hollow weapon and shield for the extra 10 Luck
Oh, that's perfect, then. You should be set.
>>336973178
>More damage but not by much
I'll take every point I can.
>>336973336
I just identify the weakest link and bait him while pretending I'm concentrating on the other guys.
Rarely fails.
>>336972305
If you have use Yorshka's Chime and go 60 Faith, Darkmoon Blade and Lightning Blade are the best buffs. It give +247 AR on weapons.
Basically you can one shot anyone with a full combo with it buffed. Yes, I'm not joking.
>>336972305
It's exactly the same as Lightning Blade except it does magic damage.
>>336973346
Nah man. This is the real shit right here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQOUNx387aM
>>336972496
It's just the same in the lower levels honestly. Like, the only advantage being on the lower level is you can get summoned for the Aldritch Covenant.
I've invaded in different spots. 40, 60, 80, 100. In the lower levels, I always get 4v1. I've never seen a host not go 4v1. You're lucky if you get 3v1.
>>336973545
>>336973550
Fuck, I just started Ds3 and have no idea what those weapons are, I just beat Vordt. But I'll keep in mind that the Darkmoon Blade is something worth while.
>>336973598
This is why bleed exists.
>>336973691
They're miracles
>>336973248
Wait, there's a point to those spirit looking things that walk down the stairs?
>>336973732
Like really OP weapons?
>>336973598
>How to get BS'd by anything faster than a claymore: The build
>>336973691
It's a weapon buff from the Blades of the Darkmoon covenant.
>>336973691
>Wait. I'm saying it's worthwhile if you go SL100 or 120. Because you really need 60 FTH.
This is a sample video of this working.
https://youtu.be/RgWJtbd9XEg?t=18
>>336973867
Having a torch or I assume any light will make their whole bodies fade in from a little farther out.
I was doing it on some invasions for hosts who hadn't cleared the area yet because I'm a faggot who likes to be nice.
But I actually don't know if I was helping them or just looking like a complete dummy.
>summon two phantoms
>pop dried fingers
>pop tree of a seed of giants
>summon third phantom
>the invasions roll in non stop and turns into a straight cluster for all parties involved
Fuck you OP it's fun.
>>336973926
Jesus what the fuck. How is that even fair? Are the people he is attacking just really bad or can you become a GOD with this?
>>336972719
>>336972985
I figured as much.
One of the reasons I like Grape. I can play Nice and turns at the first sign of faggotry.
>>336974346
Well it works. That's why I switched to this from my DEX/LUK Hollow build.
It's a great build really. It's fair for invasions. Why should I get pummeled by people going 4v1 all the time. Let me one shot them.
I just want a working darkmoon/blue sentinel covenant
Every time I invade a bluefag shows up, but I NEVER get summoned as one.
>>336974153
Unless you're also constantly summoning Red/Purple phantoms or you're in the Aldrich Faithful area, then it's very clearly stacked in your favor and you know it. Even when they "roll in non stop" it's your 4 up against, at most, 2 of them.
>>336974346
If you actually get hit by that and can't punish in time from a whiff you deserve to die.
>>336932778
>Try to do Aldrich Faithful
>Nonstop fucking hackers with infinite health
>Game spawns me on the otherside of the gameworld so it takes 20 years to get to a duel
>Enemies have either 3 phantoms with them or have popped a seed of giants
>They all are always brazilians and since there is no poise, they have straight swords so they lag and stab your ass to death without you being able to fucking parry and you stagger into infinity
And I have a fucking faggot of a friend that is defending all this bullshit. So much could be solved for starters if there was fucking poise, jesus christ.
>>336974571
I think you blueberries need your own eye orb. Maybe it'll be in the DLC
>>336974571
>but I NEVER get summoned as one.
It's pretty rare for me.
>oh finally a summon
>spawn
>HOST OF EMBERS HAS BEEN DEFEATED
>RETURNING TO YOUR WORLD
o-okay
Imma list here the best INVASION weapons with buffs.
Best INVASION weapons (needs DMB or LB for maximum burst combos)
Sellsword Twinblades - the best
Exile Greatsword
Carthus Curved Greatsword
Gotthard Twinswords
Winged Knight Twinaxes (the WA is shit, the R1 R1 combo though, it fucking hurts)
Drang Hammers - worst of the bunch, but if you get hit by it you deserve to die
If anyone gets hit by the R1 combo of any of these weapons, you die. For sure. Unless you have 1500 life or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXBn_1GALRs
Currently the best Souls player in the world.
>>336974949
twinaxes are the sexiest weapons ever
>>336974949
>Sellsword Twinblades - the best
Too bad everyone just buffs them with carthus and charges at you thinking you'll just take it.
>invade at profane
>guy has them
>blue man comes
>kill him while guy continually misses
>he goes through about four more before I finally drain him of estus
>starts getting more sloppy from implied anger
>I get stupidly obvious R2's on him
But holy shit hammers fuck me really hard even thoguh they should be dead simple to beat.
>>336974061
Sorry, I meant if there was a point to making them visible?
Maybe something extra in the area I missed.
>>336975228
Carthus is useless on Sellsword. It does nothing for it. Carthus is only useful for Warden Twinblades.
Now Sellsword with DMB and LB, don't even think you can stand against that if you get hit by R1 WA combo. It's too fast and if you do live and try to Estus, you'll just get punished again.
>>336975009
His videos aren't too bad when you mute them.
>>336975009
>The best
2 minutes in and all I'm seeing is him catching scrubs in combos and missing really easy backstabs
>>336974949
I forgot to include the Spiked Mace. That R1 WA combo hurts like hell. I've seen it hit for 1600+ on someone with decent absorption armor.
The only problem is if the opponent does live through it, you can't punish him drinking Estus.
>>336975435
>Warden Twinblades.
Oh might be those then.
Not too solid on my DS3 meta yet.
>>336974949
Hi Oro
>>336975542
>Really easy backstabs
Those don't exist in Dark Souls 3.
The only way you backstab anybody is if they're spam parrying, and if they're doing that they deserve to get backstabbed
>>336972719
My experiences in this game tell a different story.
I can't even count the number of friendly invaders I've met, or the amount of times I myself have invaded, and was treated like a cooperator by not immediately attacking the host.
I had a great time a couple hours ago when I invaded NG+ High Wall and met two dudes with the Nameless King Crown, obviously waiting to gank people, and managed to make friends simply by putting on the crown myself and not attacking them. Three other phantoms invaded while I was around, and each time the host and his phantom totalled them, but they never bothered meuntil I backstabbed the host while he was looking at another Red from a ledge, kicking him off of the ledge in the process. Got drop attacked after failing to drop attack myself. I'd been there for a good 15 minutes and they were both just standing there with their backs to me and I had to try, even if I did get killed. I'M WEAK.
How do I into phantom hits?
Who /fightclub/ here?
How good are Scythes PvE and PvP respectively?
>+10 Chaos Corvian Great Scythe
>Does piss for damage, but has a really nice, but awkward move set that gets extra hits in at random solely because of bullshit like R2 not hitting low on one side, but hitting extra low on the other
I kind of enjoy the ganksquads, it forces me to be more creative and take advantage of the environment and element of surprise.
>Watch party from the sidelines
>Wait for the perfect moment when a phantom is low on health but not quite enough to take a sippy
>Charge in, murder him, charge out
>Wait for host to lower his guard to summon again
>Kill him too
There are so many damn cool items that could help you.
>>336976116
Same here.
The worst I've gotten is far-casting shitters hiding behind their summons.
On a stupid note
>invade at capital
>go to the church before the jail-cell key
>host and his two sunbros
>I wave
>they wave back
>I start L1 spamming
>they follow along
>we stand there for 10 minutes recreating the Deus Ex gif before the host finally gets bored and attacks me
Communication in this game via gestures and inference is amazing.
>>336976345
>PvE
Perfectly fine. I exclusively used the Pontiff Great Scythe on my DEX guy and got through the game just fine.
>PvP
It's not a straight sword or a rapier, therefore it's shit.It's fine for PvP. Just a bit harder to use. Thankfully, you don't have to worry too much about any of that "sweetspot" bullshit so its much easier to use than in DaSII. Moveset's way better, too.
>>336934000
Dark souls with friends sucks fuck. It's not supposed to be experienced like that, just steam rolling over the entire game, not experiencing the trials and isolations at all
anyone wanna gift me the game? playing cracked version and can't fucking afford the legit copy atm
can't do any covenant shit on the crack. i can do summons and shit though with other people playing the crack
>>336974812
Anor Londo?
>>336976694
Thats why you beat the game solo first you idiot
>>336976619
My thoughts exactly, thank you Anon, for confirming.
>Hit once by any weapon with a spin l2
>it comboes into l2+ the follow up
jesus
are spin2win weapons not in the game or something?
>>336976869
They are, but since Poise is turned off you'll never get the attack started before getting staggered by a straight sword
>>336976787
Nah, everywhere else though.
>>336976780
Sent ;)
>>336976946
I thought that you'd have the distance advantage with the halberd family
>>336976829
It's not nearly as bad as STR weapons getting two free hits.
Don't really understand what the fuck FROM were thinking.
>>336933496
me and my pals have been hopping online the past 2 weeks and I'm the Vet of 1 and 2, but we have been playing together like 4 of us to beat bosses and stuff and test builds. Mind you all of them never played it before, most of the time I try and fight off the invaders and teach my friends how to handle them at the same time. Like observing their builds and weapons and counters for it.
How do I stop getting summoned to other peoples games?
This is the first souls game ive played online and im regretting it. Ive never been invaded and just get summoned to ammeters trying to pvp by rolling and drinking every 3 seconds
Only reason I can see to be online is to see messages where hidden walls are.
>>336943213
Why would anyone summon a Mound Maker if they weren't looking to PVP or just didn't know what purple signs were?
There are a million white and gold signs everywhere. I prefer the chaos of mad spirit invasions myself but I go for being a cheesy bastard and just throwing as much bullshit into the ganksquad as I can before they kill me and hope I hit my phantom quota.
The best is when it's a ganksquad versus multiple invading phantoms. If there is a dark spirit and an aldritch faithful already fighting the ganksquad then I know I'm in for a good time.
>>336977079
But I instantly died
It did over 1500 damage at 25% absorb
>>336976319
I keep getting hosts who want to 1v1 me. I try to call their attention to other signs, pointing down at their likely location and walking in a circle, but the dumbass hosts usually take that as disrespect and attack me.
I have, to date, never lost to one of these people, and it annoys me. The best part of Fight Club is having your streak brought to an end by a player who's just plain better than you are. I'm sick and tired of brainless hosts throwing their ember away so they can have one fight with me while I'm trying to find a group.
>>336938209
>Host and I fighting the Aldrich Spider in Anal Rodeo
>I've helped him out a lot, he doesn't suspect a thing
>We're about to finish off the spider
>Stand next to him and start mashing R1 with my greatsword
>Kill the spider and him at the same time
I wonder why people even summon grape phantoms since this is par for the course.
>>336977338
1. Don't put down your sign
2. Don't be an aldritch faithful or watchdog of farron
Those two covenants are the only ones where you get summoned at random, everyone else has to put down a sign or purposefully use an orb to invade.
>>336977338
don't join any covenant (unless it's one that doesn't summon you)
don't put your summon sign down
you don't ever get summoned unless you do one or the other
>>336977354
I did it once to spice things up, cleared the level while watching him like a hawk and leaving no openings.
It was kinda fun.
>mfw realizing those snake assholes drop lightning gems
>that A scaling with faith when you get a weapon to only +4
Those curved swords the snake guys drop are fun as fuck to use. Love the moveset.
>>336977439
never used my summon sign once.
>>336977470
i put that on early on as i wasnt sure what it did but ive still been summoned when it wasnt equipped.
>>336977354
One time I got summoned as a purple only to see another purple chasing the host at the central Ithryll bonfire.
>>336977886
Well then you're an Aldritch buttbuddy, guard dog, blueberry or dorkmoon. Those get you summoned at random.
I forgot about the blues since it almost never works and you said you were 1v1'ing the host which doesn't happen with those.
>>336977374
Dark Sword users actually get more damage inflicted on themselves by 10%.
Straight sword users at 5%.
>>336978037
If you've got a dark sword and straight sword equipped with a pocket shotel and parry shield you just die instantly when hit with any great weapon.
>>336978010
nah im getting summoned to other peoples games to help them in pvp.
I want it to stop because i dont give a shit about 2 or 3 vs 1 pvp. Its lame and a waste of time that the game allows that.
>>336978180
Are you a Blue Sentinel or Darkmoon?
What covenant are you. Because if you don't have a sign down and you aren't a member of any of those covenants then you literally cannot be summoned, it doesn't happy.
>>336934000
feel sorry for you bro. must be lonely
>>336934000
I brought my tv and setup to my friends house and we played dark souls for a few hours
I'm sorry that you're alone in the world.
>>336934847
The first thing I learned about DaS1 multiplayer was that it's a broken mess
Got invaded in the burg and one shotted by a guy with endgame gear
Since then I've never taken this multiplayer seriously
>>336934897
This.
>invade in Irithyll
>locate host n' friends, run ahead and follow the squad
>they engage a fire witch and some knights
>host gets staggered
>zap
>HOST DESTROYED
