This character and Bastion both suffer from the same problem. In fact his full powered turret is basically just summoning Bastion.
On offense there is very little you can do against a coordinated team that has Bastion and Torbjorn. When paired up with someone like Mercy and Reinhardt they become near unstoppable.
And they both have the same problems. Their range is way too great. Bastion can shred through an enemy at a range second only to Widowmaker. His damage output is massive and he has a large pool of ammunition that reloads quickly.
On the flip side the dwarf turret has ridiculous range and will immediately aim to hit you from its max range. It's also extremely tanky. All it takes is a team that tries to keep these two things alive and the game becomes unwinnable on point B of certain maps.
And no Genji isn't a hard counter to Bastion because any competent player will immediately notice that he has reflect active and they will just relocate themselves or wait.
Bastion needs a nerf to his health pool. Armor aside he is tankier than other damage dealers and really doesn't deserve to be. His self heal fully heals him too,
Junkrat and Pharah can deal quite well with both.
but its a beta
Call this game a TF2 killer all you want but TF2's balancing was top notch, it's just in the past 5 years everyone spy checks.
Just proves that no one can make games quite like Valve.
But yes OP, Reinhardt, torbjorn,bot bastion with mercy is unstoppable
>>336852694
Pharah immediately dies to the unmanned turret. The second she is in vision it will just burst her down with damage not even a tank can deal with for more than one second
>>336852227
>relocate themselves or wait.
Isn't that being countered?
There doesn't need to be a class that makes these two unusable, because that would just be shitty design.
>mfw tf2 was out for 9 years now and anon still cant destroy a sentry gun
>>336852227
>tfw playing mercy and bastion sets his turret
>>336852227
Of all your points, the only one I think is necessary is shortening Bastion's range. This would solve most of the trouble.
Except Torbjorn's turrets are only effective at medium range. They have too much spread at long range, and move too slow for them to lock on any kind of fast target that gets in their face and strafes.
Any Phara or Junkrat can easily netrualize his turrets, plus Tracer and Genji can also take them down at close range.
Bastion is the one who needs the nerf, his self healing is ridiculous (full heal and can be canceled with no CD), plus his turret has zero damage fall off or spread at longer ranges, which means he can easily pick off every single character before they even notice he's there.
>>336853173
I agree, but I think Torbjorn's turret should also be shortened in range. Range is the biggest issue here. Bastion should be a glass cannon meant to shred through people while defending. Instead he's just a sniper with a minigun.
>>336853342
>I agree, but I think Torbjorn's turret should also be shortened in range
except that it doesn't need to be? If you can't tell that there's a turret up ahead without charging face first into it and dying to it, you need to seriously get good or go back to TF2.
Torbjorn's turrets can only target players within a short range of it's location, has significant spread the further you are away from it, and sticks out like a sore thumb on practically every map. If you can't pick one out when you see it, you shouldn't be playing
>>336852227
Both are easily resolved. Your only counterpoint has been
>nuh uh if you 1v4 them you lose
No shit.
>>336852825
No she doesn't. Turret has a short windup before it starts firing. Any good pharah will just hop up and down or strafe in and out of cover taking pot shots at it. It will never fire.
Shit, any character can do this and easily resolve turrets.
>>336853316
His self healing needs a cool down.
Problem solved.
>>336852227
Git gud
>>336852227
>>336852227
>Roadhog
>hook Bastion
>one shot him
>hook Torb
>one shot him
>walk up to turret
>two shot it
>drink a potion
>cap point
Nerf turrets.
>>336852227
Pharah and Junkrat are direct counters to turrets. Trust me its not fun playing against a Pharah as Tor or Bastion
>>336852227
Did anyone think his beard was a butt in the thumbnail?
![[MLG Airhorns].png](https://i.imgur.com/grmIAOQ.png "[MLG Airhorns].png")
>>336855165
>When you get PotG as Torbjorn for left clicking a Phara mid-ult
>>336852821
>TF2's balancing was top notch
In one patch they nerfed heavy and demoman and then reverted the demoman nerf and not the heavy one.
Heavy and Pyro are literally the worst classes in the game and think again about calling me a shitter because I have always been a Demo main.
Just watching them die countless times over and over while doing good ambushes and nice teamwork and shit fucking pains me. All I have to do to teamwipe is fucking blindly spam sticky bombs as fast as I can click because they revoked the nerf that made me actually think about how I played after a goddamned day after this problem has existed with my class since fucking launch. Poor heavybros don't deserve that shit man.
Fuck you for liking TF2 I guess, that game is dead to me.
>>336856473
You're not alone.
>>336858253
thirded.
>>336852227
Bravo, OP.
Coming from a Bastion main, I can see this as being a fair nerf- too often I get out of stuff that should punish me because of my hp pool. Bastion should rightly be paper-thin.
>>336858201
>mfw they nerfed Pyro's Axtinguisher
For what purpose? The one thing I liked about Pyro is gone.
>>336859471
No fucking fun allowed I hope you like ducks, bread, and reddit memes.
If you can't counter Bastion you don't deserve to play the game
Can you explain why all the other characters are human, robots or genetic experiments at least somewhat grounded in reality, but then suddenly there's a World of Warcraft dwarf?
>>336859557
And hats and no real updates and crates and extremly expensive keys and a broken economy
>>336859471
yeah nerfing that combo really turned him into the M1+W machine everyone complained about.
>>336856473
Guilty as charged
>>336859789
Yeah all that shit too.
>>336859983
Literally the reason why i quit tf2, valve has gotten too greedy and just want that fat cash stack
>>336854920
now try doing this with two bastions and a turret all in range of you
You can't even get through the fucking doorway
>playing roadhog
>hook + shotgun blast doesn't kill immediately
>they take 2 steps back
>shotgun doesn't even hit them
i'm triggered
>>336860235
what is right click senpai?
>>336860198
G-E-N-J-I
>>336859764
he's Swedish
>>336856473
here
>>336860629
>implying genji is a strong counter
Bastions would just stop shooting
>>336852227
Fucking scrubs all of you, I have not had one moment where I though someone was OP. Of course neo /v/ is crying about how bad they are though.
>>336852227
>play reinhart
>see an enemy bastion in turret mode
>charge at him
hahahAHAHAHAHAHA
>>336861103
not from my experience
>>336861412
Must be fun playing with retards
>>336861470
you mean most of overwatch's playerbase
What the fuck am I supposed to do 90 percent of the round as symmetra? Her little turrets recharge too slowly and are too fragile to be used offensively, and she can only shield people once per life unless I'm doing something wrong, so she doesn't need to stand back and heal. Her teleporter is pretty much useless and she has no mobility.
>>336861312
>he sees you
>mows you down before you reach him
>>336861694
>Her teleporter is pretty much useless
I can't fathom how one man can have an opinion that is so completely wrong.
>>336861694
Symmetra goes well when you're defending, particularly when you pair her up with Bastion or Torn to cover their backs or blindsides.
The teleporter is by far one of the best things to have on a defending team.
>>336862053
It's faster to die and just walk back. Or just have Mercy regularly heal you. Switching heroes in the middle of a fight sounds cool, but I've never seen it work well. And that's even if your teammates are smart enough to use it at all.
>>336862224
>It's faster to die and just walk back.
???????
>>336852227
I must have never encountered a good Torbjorn player because he seems useless.
But for Bastion in medium range encounters he can't be defeated if he has even a little support, long range snipers can surprise him, close range he can be rushed by numbers, but medium he is devastating, and you can't really fix that.
>>336862224
oh my fucking god this post
>>336862224
The teleporter basically cuts the amount of time that you spend out of the fight in half. So normally, getting killed has you dead for 10 seconds, and then at least a 10-15 second walk back to A point. Tele gets you from spawn to battlefield in 3 seconds max.
I've actually never used the tele to go back the other way. Too used to one-way tf2 teleports
>>336852227
Any team of 5 well coordinated and well matched characters could counter it really.
>>336852227
his beard looked like a butt from the thumbnai
>>336860629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqWPpaVdMHM maybe have somekinda limit on how he deflects?
I just seem like he's got an insane ability that can go above and beyond his ult in terms of what is more powerful.
I L I T E R A L L Y want to F U C K D.va
>>336860198
>shift
>E
>Q
>>336867347
where is she holstering her gun?
>been in beta since October
>only time these heroes were op were when bastion had a Reinhardt shield in turret mode and when torb's turret insta-locked on at all ranges
>nobody complains after the nerfs, both heroes are relegated to niche picks that are crazy easy to counter
>open beta rolls around
>every retard is calling them broken op and crying about it
It's so easy to spot bad players on this board lmao, if you seriously think bastion and torb need anything other than slight buffs you are straight up bad at this game and need to play more rather than post here
>>336867478
Reminds me of when everybody here was bitching about these things being LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE back in 07.
>>336867453
i want to holster my gun in her if u know what i mean :)
>>336854391
Not true, I okay pharah and junkrat the most, at max range and even flying by the turret locks on and does 1/4 of your hp on damage, peeking around corners it still gets you and it's basically like standing in the open and trading because you'll die before the turret does even if you peek and shoot, hell I was getting fucked peeking and shooting as pharah on that industrial maps b point even with a health pack nearby.
I can't stand it when idiots take low skill floor game serious. It's like playing competitive John Madden football and then getting angry and fighting your friend because the shitty A.I. made you lose the game. This has to stop. Overwatch is for casuals, so stop taking it so serious.
>>336867860
You're just straight up wrong, I don't know what else to tell you. If you're not interested in improving at this (easy) game then just play something else I guess
One problem is that they're almost copy paste from TF2 but there's no ammo mechanic in overwatch, which means you can spam for days so long as you don't get killed while reloading. It's dumb. A bastion in tf2 would run out of ammo in 20 seconds and be forced to rely on a teammate that can give ammo or retreat and find a box laying around somewhere.
>>336852227
Or just pick this little faggot
>>336860629
T H I S
H
I
S
>Turn corner
>Bastion in my face
>E his attack
>He explodes
>>336867478
See whenever I see someone bragging about how they were in the closed betas and alpha testing and whatever else all it says to me is
>I have preordered the game and have invested money in it I have to defend it and refuse to acknowledge it has any flaws
>I got in those betas by sucking copious amounts of blizzard cock into my throat and being a long time blizzdrone so I will automatically defend blizzard to the death
And bastion is unquestionably not fun to play against. Yes they are counters but that doesn't make a team setup around bastions with rienhardts and mercys and whatever else backing them up fun to deal with. And since this game most certainly isn't and never will be competitive it should at least be fun. But unbalanced characters are not fun.
There is no reason he should be able to turn around 360 degrees as a turret he should be able to get 180 degrees. There is no reason he should have more health than any of the other chracters in his class and be able to heal himself to full health. There is no reason save incompetence that he is the only character without any fucking cool downs or that he can reload very quickly and has a lot of ammo and has a lot of range.
>>336854486
He shouldn't be able to self heal at all, neither should Soldier 76 or Roadhog for that matter.
>>336852227
>just had a game where reinhardt was covering a turret
>just flew in as d.va and killed the turret everytime
>>336861103
Then dash or something, fucking moron
>>336868456
Roadhog is the only tank without some kind of shield.
What would taking away his heal accomplish?
And it begins
>nerf this character so my favorite can win
Fuck off already.
>>336868392
That's funny. Despite my over 200 hours in this game I still haven't preordered it. You're wrong by the way, stop talking about this topic with such limited experience.
>>336852227
Stop being a fucking shitter and switch heroes to take advantage of their weaknesses you fucking shitter.
The same fucking complaints were lobbed everywhere from idiots during closed beta when they had no fucking clue how to play, then started learning what to do and suddenly, hey, no problem.
Bastion doesn't need to be less tanky because 2 Hanzo arrows already kill him, Tracer shreds through him, Widowmaker can pick him off, etc. etc. etc.
>Genji isn't a hard counter ;_;
Yes he is, stop being a shitter and letting them bait your reflect. YOU toss the shurikens, YOU get their attention.
If they fire, you reflect. If they retreat, VICTORY YOU DID IT YOU CHAMP, YOU BROKE THEIR >>STATIONARY<< DEFENSE.
Learn to play and stop hogging your waifu all game, this isn't fucking dota.
>>336869145
Sure you haven't anon.
And I am level 30 right now so I think I can say with certainty that bastion Kant a balanced character. As both someone who has used him and gone up against him.
>>336869628
Isn't*
>>336867904
This. You can't bitch about muh 20 tick rate then in the same breath expect competitive balancing. Just play the fucking game for fun. Shit.
>>336852227
Bastion could be improved by changing his weakness. Instead of a weak spot on his back which appears in sentry mode, a spot which could be protected by smart teammates or by just turning around, bastion could have his fire rate slowed down or jammed when being fired upon for some amount of time. With this balance change, bastion can still be neutral against sniping classes, strong when paired with a tank class, weak to symmetra and zenyatta, but encounters against a flanking class would be engaging, as bastion would do less DPS when being shot at, but would be given more time to shoot before having to reload. This would punish a peek-shoot-hide-reload-repeat fight, as the bastion player doesn't need to move their mouse (and would win), and reward a high mobility fight that requires map awareness (challenge for the flanker, and the bastion player needs to aim in response).
>>336852227
>On offense there is very little you can do against a coortdinated team that has Bastion and Torbjorn
No, you're just not coordinating with your own team.
This complaint is really just
>coordinated teams do better than uncoordinated ones
>all these people bitching about bastion
>mfw I play Zenyatta
>orb of discord locks on sight and even goes through walls after it's thrown
>bastion and widowmaker are forced out or die instantly while Trobjorn can't defend his sentry
And this is without making them cry by switching over to junkrat. Ya'll need to Git Gud.
>>336852227
My god people are really bad at games sometimes.I don't even play bastion but i hope that they dont nerf him so people learn how to play.The only thing thats annoying about him is seeing him as potg for the 10th time
>>336869147
/thread
>>336869628
Not even him but fuck off. Why is buying a game and enjoying it a bad thing. If you don't plan to do the same then why the fuck would you care if they balance or not?
Were the born this much of a nigger or did you learn it later in life?
>>336869628
>level 30
Nigga I was level 240 in closed beta, I'm 56 in open, bastion is under powered in his current state. You're shit, get it through your thick skull and get good.
And no I haven't preordered, not until they fix tracer and widowmaker at high level play, maybe even Zarya too. Of course you'll tell me that these heroes are fine, despite having 10% of the experience I have and almost certainly being a significantly worse player.
>get a team kill
>bastion gets play of the game
>>336869147
fuck, you're retarted
advanced Overwatch players don't run Bastion because he is too weak after his nerf, and new players hate Bastion because he shreds players without trying
no matter how you look at it, Bastion needs to have his game mechanics changed
>>336852825
/thread
op confirmed trash. let's move on, people
>>336870260
>>336870260
>>336870260
Holy shit you're a faggot.
>>336870519
>advanced Overwatch players
EL
EM
AYY
OHHHHHHHHH
>>336861103
>bastion
>stop shooting
Kek
>>336870519
>having Newb friendly characters that teach you counter mechanics is bad
>>336852227
Thats weird. I tried this guy a few games ago and his level 3 turret killed nothing. People kept moving right in front it getting shot but didnt die. I was hoping it would be as strong as the TF2 engie turret but its weak.
>>336870519
>advanced Overwatch players
>>336871284
Overwatch is going to be a big e-sport.
>>336852227
Junkrat
>>336861017
Swedes are giant hairless gays, not dwarves.
>>336869901
In addition to this, Bastion's weakness should be changed in order to make him stand out from the engie. Literally, all of the heroes and strategies that are strong against Bastion and the heroes and strategies that are strong against the engie are the same (except zenyatta), and the same applies for the heroes who are weak to Bastion and the engie, so changing Bastion's weakness mechanic would also be a way to make these heroes significantly different.
>>336868456
>Soldier 76
>healing a problem
kek
He's mediocre as hell already and takes a quite high headshot rate to be decent.
Most engages as the guy are "did you miss rocket? oh you lost it".
If he even remotely lost his heal he'd require a lot more HP or damage out put than lel200.
>reaper can teleport, become invunerable, all while dealing up to 280DPS at 250HP
>meanwhile 76 sits at 'please two shot me' 200
>>336874035
I always found 76 to be better than reaper because of the range. any tips for a reaper baddie?
>turret/bastion only covering one narrow field of fire on a map full of shortcuts
okay?
>>336874227
Pick different heros
Reaper is designed to be the easiest hero to play, so, if it is tough for you, just pick something else
>>336852227
Both D.va and Reinhardt can provide cover from the bullets and allow their teammates to hopefully kill the turret or Bastion.
>reaper gets 250 HP despite getting an invincible mist form
>pharah only gets 200
>none of that hp pool is armor despite being covered in it from head to toe
>>336867904
This. This is basically how I feel about "competitive" Smash players too.
>>336874910
>blizzard wants to take an established term and redefine it
This hurts my autism. Couldn't they think of anything besides "team kill" to describe an entire team being down at one time?
>>336861103
>Two bastions and a turret stop shooting at the drop of a hat
You are retarded
>>336874769
source?
>>336875593
>they couldn't just call it a rampage
>instead they call it literally the only thing that could be done wrong by you in a shooter, teamkilling
>>336852227
>Bastion needs a nerf to his health pool.
The problem with that is it will make recon mode unusable. His turret damage is insane but his recon mode is extremely vulnerable and the TTK in this game is already insanely short, decreasing his health pool will make most attacks kill him before the player can react, pushing him to only ever turtle where the team can rally around him.
>Tracer player knows what he's doing
Haha time to find a new game
>high skill level players will have absolutely no issue with [Character]
>low skill level players will get demolished with zero issue
What other characters in any game fit this description?
>>336875067
>Zenyatta has the lowest health in the game
>Dies nearly instantly when someone looks at him
>Widow bodyshot instant kills him
>Has to maintain line of sight on his orb abilities
>Allies seem almost commanded to run away from you when you ult
No one ever said enlightenment would be easy.
>be on attacking team
>enemy team has 5 bastion and one healer
>we didn't even capture A to get the payload moving
>>336877458
I switch zenyatta when tanks start to roll in. It's funny watching a roadhog go to 100-0 real quick with 5 orb shots from Zenyatta. Or when Winston thinks he can jump in and gets instantly killed.
Zenyatta strong. You just have to learn to stay back.
>>336877389
>Tracer lands a sticky on you
>Dash beside her because you are fucking Genji
>Kills herself in the process
I wonder if his reflect would affect a sticky. I doubt it though.
>>336877593
>enemy team has three torrbjorns, a bastion with reinhardt attached to his ass, and a widowmaker with the reflexes of a cheetah
>>336854391
Not true. The turret tracks to you and starts firing immediately. That's the problem with it, its tracking is perfect, so corner peeking still has you taking damage, and moving fast is pointless. It'll still be aiming perfectly at you. The only way I've found to reliably kill the turret is to wait for my team to push and take aggro.
>>336874227
>range
76's range is god awful. Sure he may be able to peg shots at you from a distance but that damage drops to 5. This is why he honestly sucks dick against people like Phara.
200 HP phara taking 5 damage shots? See you 40 shots later on your 25 shot clip.
The falloff damage starts extremely quickly.
He only shines at doing that shit during his ult, which he charges VASTLY slower than other heroes.
>>336867347
Read a Book Go Outside, Something PLEASE.
>>336878151
if corner peaking was 100% effective, it would be literally useless.
>>336878485
I'm surprised they didn't give 76 an ADS for his right click instead of a tiny ass rocket shot.
It would really help with his range if he could actually aim his shit manually with less dropoff instead of waiting the whole match for his autoaim to be available.
Gotta keep that skill ceiling low I guess.
>>336877793
>5 orbs
jesus how stupid are they to be hit by 5?
>>336878859
well you can shotgun them so it's not that hard
>turret too stronk
U wot? Everytime i play Torbjörn, i feel like it's doing jack shit. Even when you Ult it's useless against anyone not completely retarded. The most reliable way to kill anyone as the dorf is to headshot people with the rivet gun.
>>336869147
>Stop being a fucking shitter and switch heroes to take advantage of their weaknesses
>its not imba
>5 days later its patched and turnout its indeed imba
mfw
>>336852227
i know plenty of people have already called the op a retard, if hes still even here, but
op, you're a fucking retard and absolutely shit at the game.
>>336877593
Why did no one on your team change to Junkrat?
Why did no one on your team roll D.va and coordinate her AT field to allow your team to fuck shit up?Why didn't you?
>>336878856
Personally he should have his close range damage dropped for higher longer range damage.
Its 5-17 now, which is worse than bastions rifle (6-20). It only has an advantage over Bastion due to 5 more ammo and slightly faster firing speed (10, over 8). So the DPS works out to be 170/50 vs 200/48 for 76 vs Bastion. Which, considering Bastions has one of the highest DPS weapons in the game on top of that...is pretty sad.
99% of all 76 engagements are determined by if you hit the rocket, and how bad the enemy is. Even then its a 120 damage rocket on a CD. Which, all things said, is pretty awful.
He wants to be good, but was designed to be the most boring character in existance.
>Get a clutch quad kill as Soldier76
>Play of the game goes to a Bastion killing 3 people from a corner
I've become numbI hope they nerf Bastion and Mei before release, those are my biggest complaints with the game right now
>>336879218
He is still one of the better pub picks if your team comp is utter shit
>hitscan
>self heal
>rockets
>ult is mediocre but can help clear areas
>mfw people don't realize Zenyatta is the most OP piece of shit in the whole fucking game even with the LoS nerf
>mfw people actively say he's trash and needs a buff in such numbers that it drowns out all the sane people
Yes, good goys, remember to downvote all the posts on the official forums, too, me and my poor little monkbot could probably use some buffs, too!
>Fighting a good Zarya
Fuck this
>>336879314
the self heal is basically the only remarkable thing about him. It's about 35hp/s and can move ontop of the payload.
Everything else is stunningly mediocre.
If his ult bypassed his falloff, he'd probabgly be borderline retarded. But, right now, its maybe 1-2 kills at best.
>>336879270
Same
>Bastion attached to a Mercy
>nearly unkillable
>Mei ice walls fucking everywhere
>get frozen and headshot if you get close to her
>can become invincible and heal herself
Ultimates ruined this game
>>336879371
KAIN IS DEIFIED
>>336879439
he is also fast, which is pretty nice in koth style maps i guess
>>336879626
Like crits, I wonder how the game would play without ults at all.
>>336872037
>Overwatch is going to be a big e-sport.
It would be a fucking terrible one. This game is like TF2 for babies, its terribly balanced and just not suited for competitive play in general.
>>336879626
>Teleporters are fucking ultimates
Fucking christ why
It takes long enough already to reach the frontlines
>>336880090
is dota 2 or LoL balanced?
>>336879626
Agreed, it already feels enough like a clusterfuck, having random shit flying around the map every two or three minutes just makes it so much worse.
If anything they should have made them less crazy, and found better ways for characters to build up the meter.
There is nothing wrong with Mercy reviving people, but she should build up a charge like Uber just through healing.
Torjborn's level one sentry should be not shit, and it should take scrap metal to upgrade it, and after level 2 he could "upgrade" it again temporarily for a less intense version of his ult.
Hanzo should just have a better melee attack instead of the massive dragon of retardation.
The Ults were just a fucking bad idea and make the game not very fun after a while.
>>336880226
Those are fucking lame too and only turbo nerds give a shit about them
>Bastion and Torb literal trash in even vaguely high-level play
>blizzard admitting that they are absolutely worthless, but they won't buff them solely for the low skill shitters
>every time new beta waves came out they got the same wave of people calling bastion broken, followed by people gitting gud and realizing he's fine.
>people still claiming that he's overpowered.
An equal amount of coordination by your team will always beat out however much coordination they have centered around a bastion.
Furthermore, even if it were a legitimate problem, the bastion + reinhardt strat is a problem with reinhardt being too good at protecting his teammates, rather than bastion being overpowered.
>>336879371
I think this is the biggest giveaway of how terrible people are. Zenyetta is fucking broken and it's glorious to abuse and go gold eliminations every game while still healing teammates.
>>336879626
Ultimates and unlimited ammo.
Both of them ruin the game. The pacing, the balance, the map design, all suffer because of this.
>>336880460
>scrap for level 2
Sure aslong as he starts with scrap
Level one is the lowest DPS object in the game. Sorry, I lied. Its 28 DPS vs Symmetras 25 DPS 'turrets'
>>336880638
>unlimited ammo.
Fucking this
>hurr camp a choke point forever
>Never stop camping because infinite ammo
>>336880662
Yeah, thats why I said his level one shouldn't be so useless,
Buff the level one turret, make the level two turret harder to get, and make his ult a temp upgrade to level 2
>>336880638
Not sure the ammo thing is as true as the ultimates.
>>336869861
i agree with you that it shouldnt be taken too seriously, but imo at least bastion seems to take some of the fun out of it and needs some slight nerf
>>336880638
>unlimited ammo.
Fucking this
Originally I wasn't using McCreed's revolver fan thing because I thought "well, it does a lot more damage a lot faster, but it wastes a lot of ammo. Its probably best I just save it for an emergency"
But the ammo is fucking unlimited. So why not? Just pester people at long range with the regular shots and if anyone is mildly close then fire away with all 6 shots at once, reloading takes just a little longer than the time between normal shots anyway
>>336880835
To me its like they tried to make him a mixture of mini-sentry combat-engi and actual full sentry engineer with Torb.
Because of armor you want ot be running around picking shit up. Due to low repair rate (50 a hit won't outheal ANY source of damage) and how much your weapon can do...its almost always better to place it and roam nearby to generate armor.
>>336880957
But the level 1 turret isn't going to kill anyone ever, especially with how easy it is to kill.
Unless you get that thing up to level 2 its fucking useless
>>336880957
I just wish Torj had a fucking pistol or something, his weapon just isn't that great at anything rather than short range, which means you rely on your shitty ass turret.
I want to like Torjborn, but he really isn't that fun to play.
>WILL OF THE FORSAKEN ISN'T OVERPOWERED GET GOOD
>IT ISN'T OVERPOWERED GIT GUD SHITTER IT'S BALANCED FOR GOOD PLAYERS NOW GET FUCKED
*blizzard nerfs WOTF*
>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MY UNFAIR ADVANTAGE IS GONE!!!!!!!!
>>336881007
I mean upgrade it to 2, atleast. But yes level 1 is a 28 DPS weapon. Which is about 3 DPS higher than symmetras laser turrets (which she can have 6)
>>336881163
>Human Spirit is a thing now
lel
Who else is really hesitant to actually buy this game because they're worried the novelty will ware off after a week or so and you'll never play it again?
I'm enjoying it quite a bit with my friends at the moment, but the game just gets really fucking annoying at times, and it feels like instead of trying to balance the game properly they wanted every player to feel like they're good no matter how much they suck. Which in turn means you're going to get shat on by shitty players thanks to comeback mechanics that are set in place just to make the game a cluster fuck.
It just sort of feels like a shitty TF2, and the only reason I kind of want it is because all of my friends think TF2 sucks now for some reason.
I just wish they would just trust me when I say that TF2 is still a tonne of fun on non-32 player servers with pubs. This game just doesn't feel like its worth $60
>>336880638
>>336880720
>>336880950
They should leave unlimited ammo as it is but make it so the only exception is Bastion - if he wants more ammo he needs to collect scraps like Torbjorn.
Other than that change Bastion should stay as he is.
>>336881380
Bastion is fine.
The character that really needs to be rebalanced a bit is Mei
>>336881380
>collect scrap like Torb
>Torb now has to compete for scrap
Its 25 a kill and it takes 50 for non-charging armor HP.
Jesus its hard enough to get 15% uptime of that shit.
>>336861694
She is a defense support and her teleporter is better on some maps than others
>>336881334
TF2 and Overwatch both suck. Blizzard as a whole sucks. Fuck Blizzard. Fuck Valve too.
>>336881334
>It's actually $40
I ain't going to convince you about shit, but it's pretty fun playing intense last second matches where everything comes down to the last push. Sometimes it is a snooze fest with an incredibly unbalanced team and chokehold.game, but there are a lot of characters to play and stupid strats to find,
Plus DVA is my waifu
>>336881418
Fucking this, fuck that bitch.
>lol freeze you just because
>>336881587
I've been playing it all weekend, and its fun enough I guess. I just don't know if it will stay fun.
Its a very gimmicky kind of fun, and I'm worried that the novelty will wear out rather quickly and the game just won't be fun anymore
I'm just going to list every single goddamn complaint I could think of while playing this game.
>THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON HOLY SHIT
The level of bright colors, fuzzy explosions, green halos, rocket exhaust, shields, and lazers is beyond the capacity of human differentiation
>YOU CAN'T TELL IF SOMEONE HAS AN ULTIMATE, FUCK!
With so many game changing ultimates, It would be pertinent to the player to know when such ultimates are or are not in play. Does that s67 have his aimbot ready? Does that Pharra have her barrrage ready? Are you walking into death or not? Nobody knows
>ULTIMATES HAPPEN TOO FREQUENTLY SO THEY TAKE FOCUS AWAY FROM JUST SHOOTING SHIT
I just want to shoot shit. Not be bombarded with dragons and other bullshit
>THE MOVEMENT IS ALL BULLSHIT
Characters don't have an acceleration curve. At point Time = 0 the character is still, and time=>0 the character is at full speed. This makes tracking and aiming frustrating against people who mash the directional pad. CSGO had the same problem.
>1V1S AREN'T FUN.
Whether it's being flashbanged by a MCree, slowed by Mei, or having to deal with an aimbot. The frustration at dying from someone's "I win" button takes away from the fun of the game.
>TEAMWORK IS TOO GOOD. I WANT TO KILL SHIT AND BE THE HERO BUT I CAN'T
I can often tell the outcome of a game simply by glancing over the player picks. While not as much a problem in competitive, pubs are annoying for this very reason. It also hits at a more core issue of Overwatch. You can't make an impact as an Individually good player. A good CSGO player may not be able to carry a team by himself. But, he can still make an impact through AWPing, Entry fragging, or Being the team captain. There's no room in overwatch for a player to make risky plays in exchange for a great reward
>IT TAKES FOREVER TO GET INTO A FUCKING GAME BUT THEN IT ENDS IN A GODDAMN MINUTE
Join game, pick hero, wait 1 minute for set up, play game. It ends in 2 minutes
>>336881418
I want her nerfed just so I'll stop seeing retarded autistic mei mains in every game that are FUCKING awful and constantly harm their team way more than the enemy with their walls.
>>336881763
As long as blizzard plans to update it, it might be a short seasonal thing if you are prone to burnouts, so you might get a more play at the very least, but I like the play style just as it is from just liking FPS's and World of Warcraft.
>>336881832
CSGO doesn't has an acceleration curve though, you shitter.
>>336861694
Right click down hallways
>>336861694
>What the fuck am I supposed to do 90 percent of the round as symmetra?
1) Make sure everybody has the shield buff
2) Hide the little turrets in annoying places (remember they stick to ceilings and walls) they are fragile but amazing at finishing people off
3) Put a teleporter in a secluded place close to the front line (and fortify the room with sentries if you wish)
4) Remember that her primary attack has incredible power at short range after a second or two
5) Spam secondary fire (the orb) into the distance to try and catch a couple of fools (will kill almost anybody even partially wounded)
>>336881832
>>THE MOVEMENT IS ALL BULLSHIT
At the very least, its fucking weird that all of the characters have the exact same walkspeed
The heavy and hard hitting characters should move slower, the weak characters like healers should move a bit faster,
Its just fucking weird being a ninja and moving at the exact same speed as a giant fat guy in 2 tonne armour with a massive hammer.
>>336860235
Use your right click, also if you're hooking someone and you don't instantly kill them it means your not aiming for head and therefor a shitty roadhog. Roadhog and kill anyone 200hp and under in a single hook+headshot, it only takes one right click to the body after that if they have 250. If someone is hooked and you're not a shitter they should be dead.
>>336861694
Put the turrets spread OUT AND ABOUT on walls facing the objective
The point is to ambush, not delay
Tele can save a game though, never underestimate an instant recovery from a wipe
>>336881939
Wrong
http://www.hltv.org/blog/8736-csgo-03102014-update-movement-analysis
>>336881832
Git gud
SOMEONE CALL THE UNDERTAKER
>>336861103
>Bastion stops shooting
Congrats, now your team can move onto the objective and kill Bastion.
Honestly, I can't fathom what the problem is. People complain bastion shoots too much and is able to pin down entire teams, but Genji+Rein can keep him from shooting for 4 seconds, it's a perfect counter that lets your front liners move in, if you're not changing characters to counter enemy changes then you're just wasting your team's time. This isn't League of Legends, you can't main a character on every point, each point requires different characters and of course the enemy picks can dictate what will and won't work.
>>336882162
>an analysis of movement acceleration in CS:GO
>CS:GO doesn't have movement acceleration
Okay.
>>336861694
Six of your sentries are enough to kill even the highest hp characters in the game, 3-4 is enough to kill just about everything in between. Go on defense, find the alternate route that the enemy team might use to attack you, spread your sentries out about it so that they can hit anyone who passes and stay near to spam your right click down hallways or through openings. Congrats, you've locked down one portion of the map for your team, now the enemy HAS to use another or face losing 1 or 2 characters every push.
>>336867904
This is how I feel about any "competitive" game that isn't fightan.
>>336881832
>Characters don't have an acceleration curve
Huh. I thought something was wrong with the movement mechanics from the start, but I could never put my finger on what it was.
I think that you can boil most of the game's problems down to the fact that there is no downtime inbetween fights/in fights (unlimited ammo with many character having fast reload animations) and the fact that atleast half or more of the characters in the game have a designated ''I win'' button that is supposed to function as a tie-breaker but is waaaaay to powerful too only be used in situations like that.
Not to mention that there are several characters that seem broken by design or share too many similarities with eachother. They have enough ''design'' to cover maybe 12-15 fully-fledged characters, but instead they chose to stretch most of their design idéas too thin by spreading out mechanics that could make one character intresting to play over 2 or 3 characters instead.
That's my opinion on it anyway.
So many shitters in this thread.
>>336852227
Seriously though, how can you get defeated by the turret? It has no health, no damage and can't aim for shit further than 10 meters.
a level 1 engineer turret is stronger than a lvl 2 torbjörn.
>>336880475
His point is those games aren't good, but they are esports. All a game needs to be to become an esport is popular, and Overwatch is undeniably that.
How to fix Mei:
Make her ice slow you, but not slow your turning/aim until completely frozen
That's literally all you need to do
>people complaining about Soldier 76's ult
>an ult that is useless if you just duck behind a wall or a tank's shielding
>an ult that removes the ability for the soldier to get headshots
the only time you should use Soldier's ultimate is if your enemy is really fucking far away and you won't be able to get a headshot
Or if you're just shit at playing and can't get headshots anyway
