>"How do we make this game harder?"
>"I know, let's take a Bloodborne enemy and plomp it into Dark Souls!"
>"Brilliant! So that means we have to make the player character faster like in Bloodborne to compensate, right? It'd be kinda bullshit otherwise."
>"....the fuck are you talking about?"
10/10, best game design ever. Miyazaki does it again.
you can stunlock him to death with the meme blade
>>336851317
wrong picture
>>336851317
>having trouble in das3
Its the easiest by far. Wait till DLC before you try to say theres a difficult spot. DLC always ups the anty several times over
not as bad as the goat guys that grab you, enrage, and jump out of your attacks
How to beat DS3: Dont use a shield, blocks knock off to much stamina
Dodge roll into any and all attacks rather than away or to the side. Always roll forward.
Congratulations, you just beat dark souls 3.
>>336851857
FUCK THOSE FAGGOTS HOLY SHIT
Also Jesus christ why the fuck don't they turn on Poise. I beat the whole game with heavy armor on my first playthrough, never summoned, and it was a nightmare. Only to find out later that it was fucking TURNED OFF, FUCK YOU FROM, DO YOU THINK ITS FUNNY TO HAVE PEOPLE CONSTANTLY STAGGER BECAUSE THEY CANT ATTACK QUICK ENOUGH?
You are faster, and your dodges are quicker.
You just don't have the literal spam insta-iframe across the map dodges like bloodborne which trivialise anything that isn't an overpowered hitbox-wonky charge attack.
>>336851317
The game is piss easy. Wow.
these goat demons who jump on you with their bare hands are the worst
BB is the magnum opus anyway, don't know why anyone would bother with DS3 tbqh.
>>336851317
You don't need to fight these guys. Just dodge.
>>336852134
>You are faster, and your dodges are quicker.
Pretty sure the throwing dagger "nothin personnel, kid" skellies are faster than you. Their dodges cover like 10 feet and have ridiculous i-frames. It feels like they are the player and are dodging my attacks instead of the other way around, especially if you have a slower weapon.
>>336851317
If you have trouble with pyrobirds you should probably just stop playing video games. They're slow as hell and even stop doing everything to cast long spells for you.
>>336852445
>especially if you have a slower weapon
I dunno man, greatsword got me through everything except dancer and nameless.
>>336852445
So you are angry that an enemy type in the game has a unique moveset that requires you to approach it differently in a combat situation?
It seems like you're slightly ass ravaged.
>Plomp
>>>/r/eddit
>>336851523
You can stunlock them with anything, they have no poise
>no poise
ds3 was great but holy shit what a dumb fucking decision to remove poise, durrrrrr cant get more than 1 attack off
>>336851675
Mate. Just hit it with any Strike weapon. Even your fist. He's perma stunlocked.
>>336852667
Nothing has poise.
>>336852958
Bosses do.
I think some knights and larger enemies do too.
By and large its gone though.
>>336851317
>Bloodborne enemy
In what way?
>>336853034
No they don't.
>>336853078
It has fur effects
>>336853131
Well many bosses dont get staggered unless you use big weapons and hit often.
Same with the giant sneeple at archdragon dick.
>>336852958
Plenty of regular enemies have poise. The one in OP's picture won't get staggered unless you hit him a bunch of times, for example.
>>336853131
>Hit boss with Great Hammer
>Doesn't stagger
>"No they don't"
m8 c''mon now
The hardest enemy in ds3 are the fucking dogs.
These little fuckers make my blood boil in this one.
>>336851317
oh look another baddie on /v/
what a surprise
>>336853480
>hit them once
>they fall to the ground
>hit them again and they're dead
so hard
>>336853345
It means they can't be stunned at all.
>>336852667
THEY HAVE NO POISE
THEY HAVE NO GRACE
>>336851675
>Executioner's Greatsword
>one swipe and there's bones scattered all over the room
>checking my watch waiting for them to reassemble
The BONE ZONE is a cakewalk with it.
>>336853540
>swing
>dog jumps backwards
>immediately does lunge attack staggering my because no poise
>second dog fucks my ass
>repeat
I personally fell in love with those curse spider-wolf-assholes, certainly not the hardest enemy in the game objectively but pressuring and intimidating as fuck.
>"it's fast like le bloodborne!"
>enemy is glacially slow and can actually be ignored if you run by it
>slow telegraphed machete slashes with simple frontal cleave
>super obvious fire wave that is another frontal cleave with even more time to hit him
>easy to stagger
>pre-spawned orbs are always near convenient pillars
OP you are better than this, cool off a bit, come off tilt and approach calmly
>Jumping Ghrus
>Fire Witches
>Red Eyed Lothric Spear Knights
>Shotel Carthus Warriors
>Shield Pontiff Knights
>>336852939
FUCK OFF NIGGER
>>336853678
Also the most cheesable enemy in the game if you just retreat to doorway, but yeah, especially the one in cathedral was a nice surprise for a first-timer.
>>336853632
>checking my watch
There isn't a watch in DS3, lying NIGGER.
>>336851317
Offical faggot enemy list:
>Hopping Ghuru
>Smoldering Ghru
>Scythe Corvian
>Pontiff Knight
I have to ask to everybody having trouble with enemies like the invisi-skellies...
You don't actually believe the "shields are useless" meme, right? Shields hard counter the inviso-skellies like a rock/paper/scissors set-up. They can't punch through a default stamina bar and they'll miss half the hits anyway if you just L1 while circling them. Backstab or punish at your leisure and then let your stamina refill.
>dogs are hard
Aside from the few times dogs are mixed with other enemies, just wait for it to bite your shield. It can't dodge your follow up because of it is locked in an animation.
>enemy turtles with shield
>I initiate a kick
>he interrupts me with a shield bash, which comes out faster than my kick and is impossible to predict, damaging me and leaving me vulnerable to further attacks
Excellent balancing there, Fromsoft.
>>336853863
>Shield Pontiff Knights
>guarding
>go in for the kick
>the instant before it connects he drops the shield, it pushes him back for like half a second then he immediately counters then chains into that giant frost blade attack
CUNTS
They're such a crap shoot, half the time the kick works and it's a one hit riposte kill, the other time I get slaughtered without even landing a hit.
>>336853559
you can stun any enemy in the game idiot. Same with any souls game.
I used to hate these faggots until I realized their whole gimmick is to punish R1 mashers.
>>336854028
Also
>knife throwing dodging skellie
>Rock lizards
>>336854192
>instantly followed up with an unavoidable mace smash because there's no poise
I don't care about that, Why the fuck did they think making the caestus stance that of a retarded drunk man with cancer a good idea?
>>336854064
I have no problem with the curved sword skellies, but the fucking naruto skeleton with their kukris always fucks me up
>>336854284
No you can't.
>>336854382
>rock lizards
>>336854192
The great shielding enemies really love that quick shield bash horseshit, don't they. Consider yourself lucky if your shield is up and it takes all of your stamina instead of it just hitting you in the dick followed by a swipe.
>>336851317
>we have to make the player character faster like in Bloodborne to compensate, right?
I hate that people talk about BB as if were ten times faster than DeS or DS. You can play plenty fast in DS, it's called not using a shield. BB of course forces you not to use one, so everyone thinks it's blazing fast compared to the previous games.
>>336854519
I staggered every enemy and bioss in 1 2 and 3 with greatsword.
The infinite stamina giant knights at the end of 2, the various giants of 1 and 3, every enemy will go down. Even bosses
>>336851317
The more I play DS3 the more I realize Miyazaki stopped trying after DS.
>>336854645
Not even going to ask you to prove it since you're obviously lying.
>>336853540
>hit them once
>they go flying out of range
>upset
>>336851994
This, the dodge is crazy strong and makes the faster enemies much easier to deal with.
Those fire demons were a pain though, having then set up multiple fire orbs sucked ass.
>>336854798
>he didnt finish the storm ruler with a visceral
Your missing out.
>>336854192
Kicking against enemy's is just dumb and a gamble most of the time much safer to just wait for an attack and backstab fish its fucking stupid wouldn't be so bad if poise actually did shit outside of WA.
>>336854641
BB is inherently faster due the player's dash. It's so integral to the flow of combat that if you try to fight certain bosses and enemies without it, you realize it's completely unfeasible. You need that kind of dodge speed in order to have enough time to counterattack effectively.
>archdragons peak
>big lizard guy
>charge up UGS R2 all the way, have leo ring too
>stab it
>it doesnt flinch, whereas every other enemy gets sent flying by that attack
>immediately slams me
>go flying backward off a cliff
Worst zone, worst bosses
>>336853863
Can't argue with any of those...
They're always the ones I die too myself.
>>336853480
>see my first dog in high wall
>hit with axe
>it goes flying through a 3 piece suite on the other side of the room
>mfw
>>336855042
>have leo ring too
Leo ring only effects when the enemy is in mid attack.
>>336855042
Truly git gud.
>>336852325
>>336851857
Thsese fuckers are the enemies I fear the most. Even the crabs are small time compared to those.
>>336854192
>>enemy turtles with shield
>>I initiate a kick
Its just easier to wail on them until they run out of stamina, like 3/4 hits and they stagger.
>>336855042
Those are true cunts. Refuse to get staggered, high damage, tracking out the ass, long range, high HP, and will follow you to the depths of izalith until it kills you.
>>336855170
I know, with the astora UGS + leo ring I can instagib most enemies with a charged R2 if I time it right. Enemies that don't die to my meaty 900 damage attack are sent flying. The big lizards have way too much poise for their size, and it will catch you off guard the first time you fight them
>>336852393
Because not everyone has a PS4. Or they already beat Bloodborne. Or they couldnt beat Father Gasciogne.
A lot of reasons and bloodborne is my favorite game of all time for action RPGs.
>>336852393
>>336855948
>Dark Souls thread
>m-muh Bloodborne is the greatest
Do you seriously have nothing else to do?
I'm getting too old for this shit
>Archdragon Peak
>Get killed by the second wyvern by surprise
>Run over to get my souls
>Rock lizard rolls into me
>Stunlocked because no poise
>Second lizard rolls into me
>Stuck in a corner
>They continue bumping me until I die and lose 700,000 souls
I- I didn't know I was that bad until then
>>336851823
>XD
You people say that about every iteration of the game. Guess what if you play a game to death it will never be as hard as it was the first time you played it.
>tfw you accidentally kill a fellow invader
this is bullshit, they can layer their attacks and we can't??
>>336856357
Except thats wrong. Nes castlevania is far less forgiving than any souls game. I mastered SGnG on snes when I was 7. First one I played was DaS1 and it was all pretty easy except O&S for obvious reasons.
I didnt know you could lock on or summon until halfway through DaS1 either.
>Fume Knight holds his FUGS in his left hand
>Character holds the FUGS like a retard in the left hand in DaS3
Memezaki does it again!
>>336854192
I'm positive they read your inputs, i can circle him forever and he doesn't do anything, but the second i attack he does the shieldbash
>>336856661
Of everything you could criticize you choose that? Based autistic retard
Not as bad as the giant axe version of these fuckers.
>Throwable axe on chain with infinite range and goes through walls
>Hits on way out and back
>Throws it straight up off screen so you can't see it coming
>>336854192
I must confess I chessed all those fuckes with a bow. No regrets.
>>336856264
The EXACT same thing happened to me, except I killed the wyvern with a bow, before getting fucked up by the rock lizards like a retard and dropped 400,000 souls.
In my desperation to get my souls back, I equipped a ring of sacrifice and made a mad dash through the lizards, before getting fucked up by that fucking chain axe one. I tried again, made it to the rock lizards, and got hit by one off a cliff right in front of my souls.
>mfw that was the most souls I had ever held in the game yet
>>336851823
It is only easy, if you are an autist
If you aren't a retard and have a job, you don't have time to consider DS 3 easy
>>336853480
>hit them with fire
>they go belly up and flail
It works on the maggot things, dog walkers and the tar dragons too.
>Finally get to Archdragon peak
>This is the first thing you encounter
What do?
>>336854932
That's completely unrelated to stagger you moron.
>>336857017
>equip weapon in offhand in das2
>can use full moveset sans criticals
>equip weapon in offhand in das3
>can block for no reason
yep, I really want to block with my whip when I equip it in my offhand
Is there any points to getting the covenant rewards other than watchdogs and mound makers on a quality build? Most of it is just magic oriented stuff and with magic being shut unless you go 60 and higher, eh.
>invaded guy in the catacombs
>had to fought off the same guys at least two times each.
passwords are a curse more than a blessing.
>>336854921
you can destroy these orbs with a bow
>>336857343
>they can parry you
Did not expect that.
>>336857386
>equip offhand weapon in DaS 2
>stop playing because the game is fucking terrible
>>336857536
Me neither.
>Those assholes with the dual blades
>When they land a parry they fucking pick you up, take a bite, and slam you back down
This game keeps surprising me.
60 or so hours in with pvp and I'm at the dragon armor.
>>336857663
>equip videogames in /v/
>they shitpost instead
![lothric_knight_swordshield[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/anHBxkX.jpg "lothric_knight_swordshield[1].jpg")
>Run around him
>Back stab
>Lock into the animation
>He just walks out of it turns around, shield bashes me over and over while im still locked in the back stab animation
Please tell me i'm not the only one this happens to regularly.
>>336857663
>equip roll in das2
>can actually catch people out of it
>equip roll in das3
>can literally roll through everything because you can chain rolls retardedly quick
>equip poise in das2
>it's pretty balanced
>equip poise in das3
>
leave it kiddo, 2 has far superior pvp
>>336857712
What weapon you using currently?
>>336851857
they even fuck your face for a short time
so embarassing
>>336857825
BONK
>>336854028
>no jailers
>no crabs
What the fuck anon?
>>336857825
You're definitely not alone. That gap closer attack always catches me offguard too because I underestimate how far and fast they travel with it.
>those chain-grabbing swamp enemies
>those stump-wielding beasts wandering around waist-deep swamp
>those fire bird things in Demon's Ruins
>those shotel-wielding DEX skellies
>those large axe serpents
>those large chain axe serpents
>those cross-carrying red-eyed monsters
>those dogs in Irithyll
>those endless stamina sword-wielding knights in Irithyll
>that hairy spider abyss monster
>>336857916
>souls pvp
>ever good
Oh look a retard
>>336854192
Just hit them with a strike, lightning buffed weapon, back off and backstab them as they do their buff.
>>336858204
>souls pve
>good after your first playthrough
oh look a retard
>>336857825
Nope, I've had this too, but it's happened more outside of the Dancer boss fight than inside the castle.
Also
>Invading as a purple
>Host has some phantom
>Decide to fuck with the host for a bit, then kill the phantom
>Phantom is using soul arrow
>Go to wind up sacred flame
>It connects
>The animation starts
>This phantom is below 40% health, start getting excited because I know it's going to kill
>The host starts swinging his sword, it knocks me out of the animation even though the phantom I hit it with fell to the floor and ragdolled
I blame the netcode.
>tfw you run into someone with awful internet
>you wail on them, but you suddenly die
>you see them get staggered 10 seconds after you die 5 feet away from you
>>336854932
>storm ruler
>not on nameless king
Pleb.
And >>336857353 is right.
>>336858293
Certainly better than getting lag stabbed because From can't into netcode
>Invade Demon Ruins and Carthus
>Lie in ambush near hard enemies
>Blues invade and are too dumb they kill themselves
>I still get forked tongues even if I didn't kill them
>Great Heavy Soul Arrow always takes more than half the HP
>sipping makes them sitting ducks if timed right
>>336858456
>playing against brazillians
>having shit internet
keep shitposting buddy
>>336853632
>Executioner's Greatsword
Started using it as soon as I got it and beat the rest of the game with it. Fucking loved that shit.
>>336857951
I've been mixing it up for pvp.
But I'm mostly using the executioner greatsword, the greatsword of judgement, or the shotel.I'm only level 35between nameless king and this dragon armor, I'm still trying to figure out these bosses
I can see why people had problems with Pontiff and Aldrich. But I've been helping hosts with 20 or so vigor and they still die before me when I only have13
>>336858190
>forgetting everyone's favorite enemy
HELLO MY WHOLE BODY IS MY MOUTH ATTACK HITBOX AND I CAN ONE SHOT YOU WITH MY CHARGE
ENJOY FIGHTING TWO OF ME AT ONCE
THAT'S IT. I'M SO FUCKING PISSED AT THIS NO POISE BULLSHIT AND THE MOTHER FUCKING PRESS R1 TO WIN FUCKING DARK SWORD AND ANY WEAPON WITH INVULNERABILITY FRAMES, FUCK ALL OF YOU ASSHOLES.
Duel wield? LOSE TO SPAMMING DARK SWORD
Dagger? LOL NO PENALTY FOR MISSING A SWING WITH FAST AS FUCK DARK BLADE
Rapier? LOL YOU HIT ME FOR A TRADE BUT I HIT HARDER WITH MY JUST AS FAST WITH MY 20 POUND WEAPON AS YOU DO WITH YOUR 1 POUND WEAPON LOL DARK SOULS PVP GUISE
My hardest:
>giant fat hands in enclosed spaces
>both of those giant alligator dogs at once
>large axe wielding snake men (not the chain ones)
>>336858579
You can wiggle out if it tries to eat you.
>>336857217
I'm so sorry anon.
>>336858190
No grab no issue. I'm not even trying to be elitist, I have 80+ hours in the game and never had a problem with these faggots.
Fuck them
Fuck them on the basis that you can't tell 2hen the orbs are gonna go peter robin
Strike weapons
Crap
Crap
Crap
Crap
What? They get stunlocked easy
You mean the things that carry aldritch's ruby and sapphire? Those are a joke.
>>336858536
>i-it's just your internet that's shit!
Every fucking time. I love these games but you have to pretty delusional to think they have an ounce of decent netcode.
>>336858563
You're aCool Guy
>>336858190
>play a strength character with machete
>none of these are a problem
Fuck the old demon king and his shitty hitbox though
>>336856687
Some enemies definitely read your inputs. Some bosses do too. The Dancer and soul of cinder will rush you the moment you hit that heal button
>>336858981
>never have any problems with pvp aside from the occasional BR
>faggots complaining about netcode
>"I swear my internet is good, pvp is just shit!!!"
whatever helps you sleep at night kiddo
>>336858190
>Use spook in Lothric castle
>The giant paladin looking motherfuckers with the greatswords don't even do anything
>But those Gremlin faggots still see me from a mile away
>>336851317
>implying the disparity in speed is enough to make a difference
BB heavy weapons are just as fast as Souls ones.
BB FAST weapons are even on the level of Souls stuff, the longsword is actually a tiny bit faster than the saw cleaver.
The sidestep is not that much faster than the dodge and it's real advantage is having less wakeup frames.
Stop being shit, if anything, faster enemies are a godsend because they at least pose some kind of challenge.
>>336851823
>Its the easiest by far.
It really is not, DeS, DaS1 and DaS2 are complete cakewalks.
>>336857217
Jobfag here, you're just bad.
>>336858563
>35
but why?
>play Ni-Oh Demo
>everything I like about Souls with the fat trimmed out and directly improve
>harder, but yet ironically fairer combat (nice input reading and infinite stamina enemies DaS III)
>go online to find everyone shitting on it as a rip off
wew lad
>>336859321
>cakewalks
Magicfag detected
>>336859204
>werks for me™
Kill yourself retard.
>>336859576
>doesn't work for him
stay mad and bad, buttboy
>>336851317
Inputs are buffered, so you can literally mash roll like a fucking babby against any move that isn't being delayed to hell and survive. Just don't run out of stamina or you get to eat dirt.
>>336859010
Yeah, I tend to invade as a purple for shits and giggles though.
But between helping people get past Pontiff and Boreal Dancer, it's made the game a lot more interesting
Pontiff goes from like 2000 health to 5000 or so with 4 phantoms, it's fucking insane.
>tfw you kill the boss right as the host dies
>>336859448
Give me an example of an input reading enemy in dark souls 3
>>336859448
>weapon durability worse than 2
>enemies magically know where you are at all times if they see you once and never give up the chase
>can be one shotted by common mobs
>armorless enemies poising through heavy attacks, you can't do the same
>no equipment repair at shrines
>the rest
I liked it, but right now it's buying too heavily into the lel so hard XD! Meme
>>336859448Wonderful 101is the best "souls-like" I've played.
>>336859717
>stay mad and bad, buttboy
You have to be over 18 to post here
>>336859476
>implications
DaS1 is heavily trivialized by using a shield with decent stability, and even without it it's relatively easy. Most bosses are sluggish and barely react to your movements, a decent amount of early game bosses were even re-introduced as ordinary enemies in 3, and tougher mobs like sulyvahn beasts or cursed spiderdogs would qualify as solid early-to-midgame bosses in DaS1.
In terms of difficulty, I would subjectively rate the games as the following:
BB >= DaS3 > DeS = DaS2 = DaS1
My conclusion is that both BB and DaS3 belong to the newer generation of soulsgames where enemies and bosses are usually faster and more proactive.
DaS3's weakest point is probably that they reverted shields back to being insanely good in PvE (compared to DaS2 where they were just okay), and only a couple of bosses can handle turtling.
>>336851823
The bosses are easier, the mobs are easily the hardest.
>>336859982
elaborate
>>336859829
>put down my sign in front of boss fog
>get summoned
>host signals for me to follow him to help him clear some lrgtover enemies and get treasure
Really
>dies 5 seconds into the fight
No anon, all I feel is rage.
>>336859417
BecauseI'm a tryhard minmaxing faggot
No but really, it's my first playthrough and I like invading too much at a low level to give that up.
I made a sl5 dickwraith in dark souls 1, I'd occasionally drop weapons for people too.
I might make a second character and try out that fume ultra greatsword though.
Looks great for boss fights.
>>336859830
The skeletons in the tombs
Those maggot things outside the cathedral
Those gremlin fuckers in lothric castle
Those snake things with homing fireballs
Havel still has tracking bullshit, and those rock lizard things in Arch Dragon peak shouldn't be nearly as accurate as they are. Not to mention bosses like Dancer, Aldrich and Pontiff.
>>336860050
and you have to have won at least one invasion to post in a dark souls thread kiddo
>>336859448
It was really nice, but Sloth talismans are horribly overpowered, I'd like them to implement some kind of stunlock immunity for bosses.
>>336860063
>DaS3's weakest point is probably that they reverted shields back to being insanely good in PvE (compared to DaS2 where they were just okay), and only a couple of bosses can handle turtling.
Oh, and also a lot of stuff doesn't deal enough damage, especially bosses.
Some mobs do more fucking damage on hit than certain bosses, it's laughable.
choose one to defend you, others will try and kill you.
>can heal/buff them if you want
>>336853559
Yes you can.
Pontiff Sullyvhan gets stunned after 3 Kukri's for example. He'll just eat the first 2, but the third will stagger him. Same with a bunch of enemies, they'll take a few hits but enough will stagger them.
Although hyper-armour on enemy attacks seems a bit too prevelent. In BB you could interupt most humsn(ish) sized enemies by attacking them mid-combo, which also gave you a whopping 80% counter hit bonus.
In DaS3 it's not worth it since most of the time you'll just trade hits since everyone has hyperarmour now.
>Rock Lizards
>ridiculous tracking during their roll attacks
>instant headbutt attack that always staggers
>infinite damage flame breath
>kicking them only helps if they're in front of an edge and don't decide to do the instant headbutt
>almost always in a group and can work together to stun lock you to death
>that one that's scripted to knock you off the edge after getting through that horrible snake man gauntlet
WORST enemy in the series.
>>336860369
Mobs are immune to frenzy and cannot be grabbed, right? So Winter Lantern is out of the question.
The jailers HP drain stare probably doesn't work on other NPCs as well, so they're out as well.
In the end, I'd probably pick either Drakekeeper Mauler because of their infinite stamina or the Street Shark.
Sulyvahn's Beast could b gud as well.
>>336859293
Use Hidden Body with Spook/Slumbering Dragoncrest Ring
>>336853863
> shield pontiff Knights
People had trouble with these? The shield has garbage physical defense so just attack it, you may even break thier guard for a free riposte.
>>336856264
>ever having over 150k souls
you were asking for it
>>336860369
Jailer, just have it stand way in the back.
>>336856264
>because no poise
On the bright side, those things do a fuck ton of damage. If you can't get knocked down, you probably would have died anyway.
>>336860369
Shark Giant will slide them all to hell
>>336860614
>Try climbing up the ladder before the nameless king fight to get up to Havel
>One of the snakemen from like 50 fucking feet away launches a fireball
>It connects as I'm climbing up the damn thing
>>336860369
If this is meant to have all the stupidly ridiculous enemies in it, it needs DS1 bonewheels, titanite demons, and the rock lizards from ADP.
>>336860208
Even though most people define Wonderful 101 as character action or hard stylish action, and most people view Souls as the complete opposite of that, Wonderful 101 has a ton of design decisions more in tune with Souls than with its contemporaries like DMC and Bayo.
Souls, at its core, is characterized primarily by slow combat dependent on stamina management and start up/cool down management with a necessity for highly deliberate attacks in combat. The souls games also have very slow combat, but the Wonderful 101 like most character action games has very fast combat.
But, on 101% hard, W101 has extremely strict stamina/energy management, significant importance is placed on committing to and finding opportunities to use stronger or pivotal attacks, and a single mistake can have enemies taking upwards of 50% to even all of your health in a single attack or chain.
The games may seem worlds apart in things like tone, game tempo, spectacle and mechanics (Souls games are RPGs, W101 are static with nearly no RPG elements) but the primary quality that defines the Souls' series' combat is present in W101 and likewise isn't present in many stylish action games.
>>336860063
>DaS1 is heavily trivialized by using a shield with decent stability
Ok
>Most bosses are sluggish and barely react to your movements
They make up for that by hitting like a mack truck
>a decent amount of early game bosses were even re-introduced as ordinary enemies in 3
you're all over the place and what? what bosses?
Honestly I found DaS to be the hardest because combat is slower and more methodical and fucking up can cost you dearly.
>>336860630
Mobs aren't immune to frenzy.
>>336857161
>killed the wyvern with a bow
Why the fuck
You can literally just run up the stairs, hit it in the face, then run back down to dodge its breath. It just sits in the most exploitable poisition.
>>336853480
They're probably one of the most annoying enemies playing shieldless versus playing with a shield.
>>336851857
>hit them twice
>dodge
>hit them twice
>dodge
You know they're gonna jump out of your hits, don't trap yourself.
>>336860369
Infinite stamina/poise guy of course.
>>336857916
>>equip poise in das2
>>it's pretty balanced
Okay anon good joke.
You cannot be this retarded. all you have to do is wait for them to charge a fireball then backstab
>>336858579
>equip bandit dagger
>apply carthus rouge
Most of the really annoying faggots with big health pools are a cakewalk with bleed.
>>336860063
>a decent amount of early game bosses were even re-introduced as ordinary enemies in 3
Which one besides Crystal Sage?
>>336856264
>carrying that many souls around
I wish we had an "asking for it" pic with dark souls knights.
>>336861204
At the start at least.
By the end of DS1 you have 40 vit, upgraded estus and havels You need to be brain damage to die.
>>336861204
Are you fucking retarded? Are you literally thick? You literally just acknowledged that the game is easy mode when you have a good shield, then you said the bosses make up for being slow as fuck by doing a lot of damage. What the fuck do you think that really good shield is for?
>>336860063
>DaS3's weakest point is probably that they reverted shields back to being insanely good in PvE
You mean insanely shit. In 2 you should shield anything and attack well even with a small shield. In 3 if you aren't using a greatshield with like 80+ stability you shouldn't even bother blocking because it's going to eat half your stamina for one hit
>>336861141
that's fair, W101 is one of my favorite games and I feel that its use of resource management and clever application of muscle memory sets it apart from other Kamiya games, but I never considered it to fall within the category of souls-like
Honestly by your description I'd say Monster Hunter fits the bill better, but I guess souls is the marketing sweetheart
>>336861352
>equip anon in thread
>he played one match of pvp in das2 and thinks he knows everything about it
loving this meme
>>336851317
>Its a "Big fellow with large weapon and unlimited stamina acts as obnoxious as possible" episode
There are too many of these episodes in Dark Souls 3.
Im getting real tired of this design decision.
>miyazaki said the world design was a lot like das and bb
>when it's literally a straight line with a couple paths that branch off from time to time
you can't make this shit up, miyazaki fanboys will defend this
>>336858579
These fucks die like a bitch to fire, makes them really easy on pyro builds.
>start DS III
>want to recreate my DS II character with a greatsword like pic related in the left hand and a straight-sword in the right one
>game doesn't let you
How could they introduce so many good concepts with DS II and then completely fuck them up in DS III?
Where are the bonfire ascetics to respawn bosses? Where's the power-stancing? Where are the lockstones and interactable enviroment?
>>336861629
Good stability or no, mid game bosses can break your guard quite easily, so I don't get why you're PMS'ing.
>>336861204
>>336861442
>you're all over the place and what? what bosses?
Stray, Tauros, Gargs. They even gave them additional moves like grab attacks or stray rock barf/tauros fire breath.
>They make up for that by hitting like a mack truck
>Honestly I found DaS to be the hardest because combat is slower and more methodical and fucking up can cost you dearly.
It hardly matters when game barely applies pressure to you.
The only way you can die is when you get one-shotted from 100% to 0%, which is really hard to do, especially if you're reasonable about your stat investments. Otherwise, game gives you a shitload of Estus.
>>336861646
I disagree. Not only did most non-greatshields have shit stability, but there were fewer shields with 100% phys block that arent greatshields, and the stamina recovery in 2 is much slower.
>>336861845
Just like BB
>>336861906
they probably left bonfire ascetics out because NG doesn't do a single fucking thing other than dd the rings.
the bosses don't even get harder, they just do a bit more damage. no extra enemies in the level, nothing.
all i wanted to do was get to ng10 or something and then use the seed on invaders.
>>336861679
Honestly Monster Hunter is the better fit, but MH and Souls are themselves highly similar purely in terms of combat.
I like bringing up the Wonderful 101 comparison though because people seem to point to the speed of Dark Souls when discussing its combat, and I think its speed is besides the point. The strength of From Software's combat is how methodical and deliberate it is, it just happens to be slower paced than most action games. But I wholeheartedly believe that that isn't a necessity and in my opinion 101% Hard (because the stamina and time management on the other difficulties is much more lax) is a perfect proof of concept that you can adapt the Souls/Monster Hunter model of committing to actions or managing resources to fit a much faster and flashier game style without compromising it.
>>336861968
>the game is trivialized
>ok
>the game isn't trivialized though
Make up your fucking mind, dude. You are being very obtuse.
>>336861906
>Where are the lockstones
In the garbage, where they should stay.
>>336862115
>it's all or nothing, there is no in between
Go to bed Gohan.
>>336861845
The game has major Bloodborne-disease. You can see it in the level-design (early levels are more layered, have actual alternate paths) and especially the shortcuts. They're ok for the first few levels, then they devolve into linear corridors that lead back to the bonfire where a does-not-open-from-this-side door already spoils the layout when you arrive.
>>336861968
>mid game bosses can break your guard quite easily
No they can't.
Even arty can't.
>>336862027
Oh, I thought you meant bosses in 3 were reused as mobs later in the game. Sorry, carry on. Even though the movesets with "Taurus" demons and the Gargoyles were pretty different, they seem to have a bit more depth than their older incarnations.
>>336861906
While I agree that they really dropped the ball with including the good mechanics from 2 instead of literally porting 1's retarded mechanics, majestic greatsword wasn't one of them. It was fanfiction bullshit, artorias' left arm was broken.
>>336862246
I mean, I'm not even trying to shit on DaS1, it was a magnificent and challenging game, especially for it's time, but people referring to it as the hardest just puzzle me a whole lot.
>>336862027
3 bosses, out of like 30. Wow anon, so many. I'm calling bullshit on sluggish, except for gaping dragon.
>mfw thrall ambushes on a no-shield character
>>336862208
Whatever nerd, try not moving the goalposts next time you want to score.
>>336862349
It was still a nice weapon, with an unexpected special move that would catch people off-guard in PvP.
Not to mention I really learned to love the 'Fume-Knight' playstyle of slashing with your main and then knocking enemies around with your wide offhand swings.
>>336862027
taurus has a fire breath attack? what the fuck
>>336862215
>asylum's and firesage's AoE and overhead slam
>bed of chaos if you don't cheese
>ceaseless discharge
>centipede demon flurry
>all but two attacks by four kings
>smough
>manus
>sanctuary guardian
Yes, they can.
>>336851317
Sums up every complaint I have of das3
>>336862450
>mfw i equip the carthus bloodring on a no-shield character and become invincible
>>336862476
>I can't into reading comprehension
>misusing terms
(You)
>>336862362
It was actually really easy for me coming from DeS, it didn't got hard until the DLC came out and Sanctuary Guardian humiliated me soundly.
>>336862368
>I'm calling bullshit on sluggish, except for gaping dragon.
>Ceaseless
>Centipede
>BoC
>Seath
>Nito
>Golem
>Quelaag
>Butterfly
>Pinmeme
>Sif
>Boipuccy
>not sluggish and posing any kind of challenge
And the only reason O&S are harder than the rest of the bosses is because those are 2 mediocre bosses cramped in one room. Individually, they're extremely mediocre. They even re-introduced one of the supposedly harder bosses of that bossfight in 2 with practically zero changes to the moveset and everyone dumpstered him.
DaS1 was good for it's time, but it doesn't hold up nowdays, the series have moved past the point of Vanilla DaS1 bosses being good or challenging.
>>336862643
In 3 he has.
The one in Carthus Catacombs likes to use it.
>>336862718
If you use a good enough shield nearly all of those can be successfully turtled or are too slow to matter. Seriously? Getting hit by ceaseless?
>>336862450
That ambush near Mound Makers is bullshit even with a great shield.
>>336862981
>getting hit by ceaseless
We're discussing if they can break guard or not, stay on point.
>>336852393
Going back to BB feels super slow after enjoying the framerate of 3.
>>336863162
And you don't think the enemy's speed has anything to do with whether you guard gets broken or not? For one, you have more time to let your shield down because you have to have it up again, allowing you to regenerate more stamina and increase the chance of a successful block. For another, you can simply walk or run out of the way of most attacks, since the bosses are so slow.
>>336862959
>Ceaseless
Ok
>Centipede
No
>BoC
No
>Seath
Yes
>Nito
I don't remember hinestly
>Golem
Yes
>Quelaag
Are you high?
>Butterfly
Not sure if this one applies
>Pinmeme
Yes
>Sif
Go fuck yourself
>Boipuccy
Same as moonlight
>>336852958
All enemies have infinite poise during certain attacks, you can stun them before they attack or right as they are about to but once they do you simply can't.
The player on the other hand has none.
>>336851317
It's obvious that after Bloodborne they forgot how to make a Souls game and instead just made Bloodborne 1.5.
>>336863442
hyper armor=/=poise
>>336863435
>Are you high?
I wish I was, maybe that way these fights would feel intense and not a total slugfest after stuff like Gascoigne/Pontiff/Gehrman/SoC/whatever.
>>336853540
Depends on your weapon, they can dodge your attacks or close the gap and attack you in less time then it takes to do a swing of larger weapons, then add lack of poise and mob enemies and certain builds will have quite an annoying experience.
The greatsword wielding cathedral knights are the worst enemies in the game
>>336863402
And you don't think the enemy's speed has anything to do with whether you guard gets broken or not?
In some cases, but the demon bosses are slow as fuck and can fuck up your stamina in one or two hits, four kings is the grossest example.
Those first couple of enemies at Untended Graves are pretty annoying, the ones with the curved swords. Seems like they never stop spinning.
>>336863435
>unironically getting guard broken by "large hands; big telegraphs"
>unironically getting hit by "strafe to the right"
>unironically getting guard broken by "I hope this undead doesn't have the crest shield"
>unironically getting guard brokenn by "roll through my giant sword and hit my legs because I can't reach"
>unironically getting guard broken by "I hope this undead doesn't have the crest shield: featuring the ability to hide behind pillars for zero risk"
>>336860369
somewhat related
Not that I would actually pick it, likely one of the weaker choices actually
I'd go with sully beast or fish giant for those goddamn slides of instant death
>>336854192
This is a perfect example of From just trying to make things harder with no respect for balance, larger enemies used to hit harder but be slower, you give somewhere you take from somewhere else.
Nope, they just can be just as fast, sprint and spam quickly as enemies half heir size in the first two souls games, not to mention that almost all enemies are taller than the player just they can always have a speed and reach advantage over the player, who needs a good, interesting move set when you can just spam, turtle, attack while sprinting and reach across the screen?
Fucking From, BB fucked up the design and thought process of DaS3.
>>336863894
They really can't, I just fought 4kidz the other day with a +14 crest shield and didn't have my guard broken once. It sounds like you really need to manage your stamina or pick your gear better.
>>336864297
I like that you've hidden the fat fetish part of this pic but you can still see it earlier in this thread.
>>336864274
>I'm so gud
If you're not going to say anything meaningful, go get tonguefucked by a mimic.
>>336864469
+14
I guess so.
>>336864481
Ah god damn it someone beat me to the punchthe image is actually foot fetish as wellthe top bit is still gold though
>>336857536
the headless skeletons could do it too
>>336864767
>foot fetish
...Male or female?
>>336864832
that surprised the shit out of me. hodrick fucked me up with a parry too.
>>336864876
male/_male_
if it still piques your interest, it's pretty high up if you just search dark_souls one6two versions, one with beast dick and another with human
>>336861204
DaS is kind of a joke if DaS3 was your first souls game. I was really let down by how many bosses I could simply brute force down.
>realizing BloodBorne and Killer is Dead are the same game
>>336852958
Some enemies have hyper armor. These enemies tend to be super scary since you can't tell the difference between a normal attack and a hyper one.
Some enemies have like some poise. Like "if you use great axe, it goes trough, but you need 2 hits with swords"
Some enemies have shields, which forces you to 2hand, parry, or use the sword move.
>>336853480
DaS 1 dogs was stronger. These dogs at the least stay out of your first range and passive aggressive bully you.
I still have PTSD over the DaS1 hellfire dogs, mostly because the few places they exist there is like 8 of them on a platform
>>336865547
>Some enemies have like some poise.
No they don't. Poise mechanically doesn't exist anymore.
>>336854192
>starting a luck build
>I actually found it far easier to kill the blue knight than the greatshield spear knights
>>336859448
I haven't played it because I don't have a PS4, but if you want to talk about Souls like games that get shit on, Lords of the Fallen is one of my favorites. I mean yeah, there are a ton of legit problems people can have with it, but I thought it was great and really enjoyed playing it. It also was the first game iv played that made me feel, I would say powerful? I guess. As a heavy melee character. I mean you hit someone with a hammer and they really fucking know it and so do you.
I also liked how they handled their "souls" system. The more you kept them, the higher your multiplier became. So it was more risk reward. Carry around a big bank of them and you hit harder and faster, die and you rush back to them because they start dissipating. But you might die if you rush too fast and get caught. It also was neat in a way, that it kind of felt at least aethetically like playing Diablo 2 endgame but in 3rd person. The enemies screamed diablo at me in design.
Best moment in the game for me was no selling boss enemies with my greatshield.
>oh are you charging at me?
>GET FUCKED GREATSHIELD!
>they slam into it and have a fucking concussion while I beat them to death with my hammer.
>>336865978
I feel like the shield tackle was kind of the downfall of the game. It works for nearly every enemy, the small ones go flying and you break the guard of any bigger enemy. The game got way, way easier as you played it. I love the combos you get from timing your strikes though.
>>336860369
This is a fucking easy image. The damn knights with the great hammer/maces. Literally unbreakable poise and infinite stamina. They would wreck every single other enemy in that list.
>>336851675
Kek, just use drake hammers, they never recover from attacks.
>>336860369
Shark giant would win every single time.
>>336860369
giant fish
specifically with the anchor
>>336851675
These guys stagger. So they are sorta easy.
>>336854192
>Enemy turtles with shield
>Use Dragon Torso Stone roar
>Instant shield break followed by crit
>Rinse and repeat
Dragon form is pretty shit outside of that, but it's pretty goddamn great when you can get use out of it.
>>336860630
>Nearly dead
>Starts praying
Feels bad man.
>>336866795
I like to think it's begging for death since those used to be outrider knights. You beat the sense back into them and they just want to be put out of there misery. They don't stop begging either.
>>336851317
>crying because a developer used similar designs to a game that was also made by them
Oh christ! Its the end of the fucking world!
>>336866761
do you know if this works on players with greatshields?
>>336866938
That's not what OP was saying. He's saying that they took something that worked in bloodborne and put it in dark souls, but dark souls is not bloodborne and it doesn't work.
>>336867049
Really? Because I played the game and it works just fine.
>>336860369
Well if there's a BP skeleton dog in there then I pick BP giant depraved one
>>336863780
Easiest to dodge or outright cheese from a distance. The ones with a greatshield are more of a pain.
>>336866947
No clue, but I doubt that would be worth having negative fucking 15 lightning absorption.
>>336854192
>>336854387
You take a little damage from the shield bash, but it's a perfect setup for the parry. Eat the bash, it's nothing.
>>336867102
Lothric do not work at all. Dragonslayer Armor is very questionable since it just turns into a series of trades.
>>336867163
i usually use the dragonform if i'm doing sub 30% load, the extra damage isn't that bad if you're good at trading or punishing whiffs. but if you get caught in a R1+multi hit weapon art you're probably dead
>>336867319
Lothric knights? They're parry lessons.
That's why they're so early. And Dragonslayer Armor is a near end game boss so what do you expect there?
>>336867405
I meant Prince Lothric.
I honestly felt that Gwyn was a better fight. Gwyn at the least was dynamic, and you could do a lot of cool things with positioning.
>>336867493
Eh, I've never really dug the Gwyn fight.
The fact that it can be completely trivialized by a single mechanic is a huge oversight.
Its one thing I think they've learned their lesson on.
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>>336853480
>Crying about the regular dogs in Das3
That's cute.
