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The problem:
Contrary to popular belief, Nintendo's problem is NOT having an underpowered console, or gimmicky controller, or whatever. That's not the reason they don't sell. After all, the N64 and Gamecube were more powerful than their Playstation competitors without any gimmicks, and yet were crushed.
The problem is BRANDING. The Nintendo brand is simply not big like the Playstation brand only because of their image as the Disney of video games. It's cool and trendy to own a Playstation 4 or Xbox One if you're a normal person. In movies and TV shows, the main character will be seen playing Playstation game, never a Wii U game. The NX could be a behemoth of a machine with specs twice as good as the PS4 and 0 gimmicks and it would still not sell if that's all that there was to it.
The solution:
Rebranding. Nintendo needs to revitalize their brand on a huge scale, and do so from every avenue in order for the NX to be successful. It does seem that they're doing in that in some form, since they've branched out to social media and Miitomo to gain more brand recognition. It seems successful so far, with Miitomo having 10 million users already. They need to have an extremely strong marketing push from every angle (social media, word of mouth, commercials, and yes even games journalists need to be on their side for this) to firmly get the idea in a normal person's head that 'Wow this thing is really cool! I should buy one!'. They have to firmly get it in the heads of the average consumer that if they don't own a NX, they're out of the loop.
I think that signs like the generation-long Zelda delay (and showing only it at E3) and the NX not launching during Christmas are good in the long run. If they're willing to make these very large sacrifices and piss off a lot of people as well as lose holiday sales, it means whatever they're doing must be worth the sacrifice in their eyes. It seems they're banking VERY hard on the NX's launch being extremely strong.
Can they do it?
>>336819531
Great post. Have a bump.
A change of leadership might be the blessing in disguise Nintendo needed.
Iwata's attitude seemed like "What interesting new thing can we do, that's still every quintessentially 'Nintendo'?" which is nice, but not always going to succeed with consumers.
If Kimishima's attitude is more along the lines of' 'What can we do to make Nintendo more than just niche?" at least for the NX, enough to gain brand power again, it might even save them if successful.
Even tho I agree with the part of branding, I guess it's not just that that keep them down.
You see, they make great software, but still this is not enough.
If they can't have the next battlefield or cawaduty in their system, it is going go fail.
bump
QPUdumping to keep thread up since most people will just lurk and not post anyway
>>336819531
>Lets talk about this company
I'd rather not.
This thread has potential for actual discussion, but nobody will respond because "bluh Nintenyearolds bluh."
I think Zelda would be a great thing to rebrand and help get Nintendo into the everygamers home. Have everything a little darker, have actual characters with voice acting, weapons and armor that each have their own pros and cons. Make it so it isn't baby's first adventure game.
>>336819531
>The Nintendo brand is simply not big like the Playstation brand only because of their image as the Disney of video games
but Disney is the Disney of movies and their movies are still setting records (not even counting Marvel's stuff)
>>336823126
They have the outward image of Disney with a similar track record of quality too (of course there is a bad one for every three or four good ones).
Except they don't have the same level of success.
>>336819531
>lets deflect the actual problems that are keeping Nintendo from making good games, and that are keeping people from playing and enjoying Nintendo games and look at Nintendo's MONEY AND MARKETING
No, and you cant damage control this. Gimmicks are done, the Wii isn't coming back, people have moved on. The motion control fad is over Sonnyboy.
Unless you're a shill or a fanboy whose stuck to the bottom of Nintendo's nutsack sucking the sweat from their japanese balls, you should NOT CARE ABOUT A CORPORATIONS MONEY.
YOU SHOULD be caring about the quality, solidity, and depth of the games they produce.
Pic related, it's focused on SFZ but it applies to Nintendo in general.
>>336823517
>YOU SHOULD be caring about the quality, solidity, and depth of the games they produce.
I do, but that's not what sells systems. You seem to have misunderstood the entire point of the post.
The thread is about how Nintendo can make a comeback and be relevant again. The Wii U has many quality first-party titles on it but that didn't stop it from not selling.
I do agree that their quality of games has been dipping recently though. Star Fox Zero, Paper Mario Sticker Star, etc. are simply not up to part
>>336819531
Here is the truth.
If nintendo gave us games like zelda, mario kart, metroid prime, starfox, mario sunshine, more often they would be well off.
But no. Nintendo chooses to spend years of work on rehashes, gimmicks and games that should not take 3 years to produce.
They care less about what they make and more about what the old suits of the company think.
>>336823517
The NX could have the best line-up on the planet but that won't matter if everyone still sees it as kiddieshit.
>>336823858
Your post is absolutely retarded and your two points contradict eachother.
>give us more and more of [long running series]
>why do they make rehashes?!?!
and you're complaining that there's several years between each installment. No shit. If any Nintendo series was yearly it would legitimately be a rehash like Call of Duty.
>>336823858
>mario sunshine
people in tv shows play xbox or playstation because it's easier to use them as stand-ins for 'generic nondescript video game' which isn't a good thing.
also House has a GBA SP and later a DS
>>336824365
If in an alternate universe the Wii U was significantly more popular than the PS4/Xbone, you'd be seeing only it in TV Shows.
>>336824467
I feel like that was the case for a while with the Wii
>>336823773
If Nintendo wants to sell systems, they have to make Nintendo games. What they've been doing since 2007 or so is making EXTENSIONS OF GIMMICKS.
-Skyward sword was built around and was an EXTENSION OF THE WIIMOTE GIMMICK.
-Starfox Zero was built around and was an UPDATED EXTENSION OF THE WIIMOTE GIMMICK
You see where I'm going with this. You cannot sell NINTENDO SYSTEMS without good games attached to it, it just doesn't work that way no matter what they try because the general public has a unchangable image for Nintendo built into them. They're not Sony and dont have the good market position to simply say "HEY WIGGERS, DUDEBROS, NIGGERS, AND WEEBS BUY THIS CONSOLE BECAUSE IT'LL...EVEEEEENTUALLY! HAVE GAMES.."
Nintendo has to have strong 3rd party relations, strong core 1st party titles with actual gameplay depth to them, and they cant do this while they have a crutch like gimmicks hindering their developmental mindset. NEARLY EVERY TITLE That Nintendo has produced since the DS/Wii's inception has been fundamentally WEAK AND SHALLOW gameplay wise.
The consumer has caught onto this and IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT A /CORPORATIONS/ SALES you'd see that this has HURT THEM and their INDUSTRY POSITION.
>>336824467
Only if the rules in that alternate universe shift from 'just throw in something generic' to 'make sure we set up deals for product placement, or pay for the rights to use their image in our production' or however the fuck it works
>>336824365
and to address your second point, Nintendo handhelds are and have always been popular. You see characters with a DS way more than you see characters with a PSP for that reason.
And in recent years I don't think I've ever seen a fictional character with a Vita. It's ALWAYS a 3DS.
>>336824628
Nintendo handhelds have been the only handhelds from like 1989 to 2004 (ignoring consoles that 80% of people on the street never heard of) so of course they're gonna be the go-to generic handheld
The only thing that will save them now is if they goSecond Party with valve.
>>336824609
>"HEY WIGGERS, DUDEBROS, NIGGERS, AND WEEBS BUY THIS CONSOLE BECAUSE IT'LL...EVEEEEENTUALLY! HAVE GAMES.."
But that's the selling point of the PS4
Remember #GreatnessAwaits?
>>336824824
Did you not just read his post?
>>336824824
That was what I wrote son...Please stay in school.
>>336824609
>They're not Sony and dont have the good market position to simply say "HEY WIGGERS, DUDEBROS, NIGGERS, AND WEEBS BUY THIS CONSOLE BECAUSE IT'LL...EVEEEEENTUALLY! HAVE GAMES.."
I agree. This whole thread is about what Nintendo can do to try and gain that market position.
also Skyward Sword and StarFox Zero are the only two examples of what you've listed. Besides I think that if a console has a gimmick, there should be at least one game to test the waters. It would be a shame if the Wii came and went with not a single game attempting to utilize motion control well (i.e. make it go from a useless gimmick to a game mechanic).
>>336819531
>Rebranding
At least in the western world they should totally reverse the factor that made them the king of the 8bit era, meaning "this is not a game console, this is a toy".
It's not easy and it could eventually alienate their everlasting core, japanese and Nintendo lovers all over the world, meaning losing more crowd.
>>336824824
heh
Super Mario 64 was just a gimmick to push the fact that the N64 could render games in 3d rather than 2d. Literally the whole game's built around this idea and it is trash.
Shut the fuck up.
The reason the PS4 and even the Xbone to an even are doing well is because THEY MAKE PRODUCTS THAT PEOPLE WHO LIKE VIDEO GAMES WANT TO BUY.
Fuck the 'average consumer'. The average consumer isn't buying a PS4/Xbone because of public perception, they but them because they want to play video-fucking-games.
You're stilling thinking people who don't give a fuck about video games are buyign consoles like they did for the Wii. That's not happening again with tablets/mobile gaming, people who don't care for vg wont buy consoles.
Nintendo does not have video-fucking-games unless you like their standard shlock, which is a decade late at this point.
>>336825027
That's the problem, no one cares. You cant make them care either, motion control was a fad and only hurt Nintendo's quality of gameplay.
If it was used to some actual control depth, added to the game to make it a richer experience, and if the Wiimote had actual accuracy then yeah I'd agree. As it is now the Wiimote was poorly made, which is why it needed Wiimotion+, and even then it suffered from inaccuracies. No developer cared about nor wanted to use the Wiimote to any real end.
To compound this, from what I remember reading it was INCREDIBLY HARD to code for the Wiimote itself, not just the Wii as a console. The math behind it was completely insane.
>>336825027
> It would be a shame if the Wii came and went with not a single game attempting to utilize motion control well
No it would not be a shame because that gimmick was to entice casual morons, not actual good games.
>>336824824
Sonyggers, everyone.
>>336825264
B-But Anon, multiplats and sports titles arent video games around here, you know that.
>>336825373
Hey fuck you in terms of controls MP3 is probably the best console FPS
>>336825264
>Fuck the 'average consumer'. The average consumer isn't buying a PS4/Xbone because of public perception, they but them because they want to play video-fucking-games.
What about for the Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon?
>>336825501
Those are just nice side benefits, you could watch all that on your tablet/laptop/PC/phone too.
>>336825479
The fuck is MP3?
I wished this hobby was filled with people that buy video games based on their actual gameplay merit, not based on whether it looks like "kiddie shit" or not
>>336825479
Are...are you fucking serious? Metroid prime 3 was an abomination of slow controls (even at max sensitivity) that seemed more like the gamecube controls were slapped on a pointer than a true mouse+kb experience on a Wiimote+nunchuck.
It should've waited for Wiimotion+, because as it was it was a fucking HORRID experience that was simply babbys first pointer experience. Like...seriously having to touch the side of the screen to turn are you fucking for real right now?
PRIMEFAGS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
I feel like he had a good point when he compared Nintendo systems to Google+
>>336825651
Then Nintendo wouldn't exist they are subsisting entirely off nostalgia at this point.
>>336825645
Metroid Prime 3. Say what you want about Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3 controlled like a dream. All it needed was maybe the ability to turn around at whatever speed you hit the edge of the screen with the cursor at. But it didn't have competitive multiplayer so it didn't need it.
>>336819531
If you think that Nintendo will ever drop their family friendly image you are seriously delusional
Nintendo makes cute and comfy games. People only want faux-military shooter #377 now with soccer
Rebranding would mean they woukd have to make these games.
>>336825695
>touch the sides of the screen
did you even advanced sensitivity? Anything less than that was unplayable nonsense.
Also I don't get what Wiimotion+ would do to make the pointer better. It was good for gyro stuff but as a pointer it was slow.
>>336825651
And Nintendo hasn't produced anything worthy of being played on its gameplay merit since the Wii came out, otherwise we wouldn't be FUCKING BITCHING LIKE ASSHOLES ALL THE TIME.
Yknow how tired I am of having to complain that the company I grew up with blows gopher turds now? I HATE what they've become. If I have to slide their public image into the shitter to get them to abandon gimmicks and casuals then so be it. death or rebirth, we're going to see this modern casual shitter Nintendo go away.
If Nintendo wants to win they have to pander to their manchild fanbase. But they won't. Nintendo wants kids, and they'd rather go mobile and sell Happy Meal toys than give their fanbase what they want.
So enjoy getting buttfucked with yet another Nintendo system with no online chat and more Animal Crossing garbage.
>>336825651
>decades later, Nintendo is still dragging around the "kiddie shit" image
Will they ever remedy this?
they need to put out more software. it's ridiculous that the Wii U still doesn't have a proper Mario or Zelda game after FOUR FUCKING YEARS. there are literally hundreds of people (myself) who would buy a console exclusively to play the new Zelda game.
after Four years we got:
>Star Fox Zero
>Mario Kart 8
>Splatoon
>Pikmin 3
(those shitty New SMB games, and shitty HD ports don't count as real games)
just look at what had been released in the FIRST YEAR of previous Nintendo consoles:
N64
>Super Mario 64
>Mario Kart 64
>Pilotwings 64
>Wave Race 64
Gamecube
>Mario Kart Double Dash
>Luigi's Mansion
>Pikmin
>Animal Crossing (JP)
and the very next year Super Mario Sunshine
Nintendo literally lives on first party games and they just aren't coming out fast enough. sure game take longer to make now but they should not be taking this long. I think there is something seriously wrong with Nintendo's team management
>>336823414
>that pic
That meme was ran into the ground in like 1 week
>>336825885
Yes you damage controlling prime 3 baby, the Wiimote is a piece of shit and should have been kept far away from Metroid. Yes I mad.
>>336825851
>People only want faux-military shooter #377 now with soccer
Well I guess Nintendo finally gets it then.
>>336824073
>he doesn't like sunshine
>held a private event for DISNEY ART ACADEMY
yeah no OP, you raise some valid points but having faith in this shit company is a terrible idea
if they DO manage to shit out a bayonetta 3 and Pikmin 4 then i'll bite
but otherwise Nintendo is keeping the friendly image, as shown by miitomo (WHICH HAS NO NEW FEATURES FOR THE MII CREATOR SINCE 2006) so we'll see Mii's in the next nintendo console as well sadly
and the online infrastructure jesus fucking christ
>Wii U only connects to the last internet you connected, if you move somewhere else you have to quit the game to change the "default" connection
>lack of a messaging a good system and having a notification system that ISNT a fucking blinking light
>>336825939
>wii u
>no metroid
>no zelda
>no f zero
>no Mario 64-style mario
>no Kirby (why did we get a rerelease of canvas curse that didn't even acknowledge the existence of canvas curse?)
>no cool shit like Custom Robo
>>336825939
>Pilotwings
>Wave Race
>Animal Crossing aka port from N64
>real games
>>336825950
3 months ago
There's a reason Sony is funding things like Bloodborne and Last Guardian, and it's not because they expect CoD/Minecraft-level sales. They know that as a platform holder, you can't just shit on entire fan groups, even if they're relatively niche
And it's not like Nintendo is offering at least equivalents for things like Metroid or racing games without Mario. A gradual burn of shitting out nothing but "guaranteed hits" like 2D mascot platformers and minigame compilations will give you the WiiU - a console for almost nobody. Even Nintendo's own Fire Emblem shows that its stupid to give up on a fanbase. They gave a series on it's deathbed a rebirth, now it's selling well, with Fates doing 1+ million in NA alone, and enhancing their portfolio with a genre that dumb minigames and novel up-rezed tech demos wouldn't be able to replace.
Nintendo's problem is that they're incompetent and they fucking suck.
If Nintendo gave us console versions of: Zelda, Mario platformers, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Mario sports games, Metroid, Star Fox, Pokemon, Mario-universe spin-offs (e.g. Yoshi/DK games, SSB falls here), and some IPs WITHOUT gimmick controls and WITH proper online capabilities for its multiplayer games, then the Wii U would have sold much better.
Mario Kart 8 is a perfect example of a game that has proper multiplayer and no gimmick controls. Splatoon falls into this category as well (you can turn off gyro).
Zelda hasn't been released yet. There hasn't been a SM64/Galaxy sort of Mario platformer. Mario Party and Mario Tennis were at best rushed, at worst cash-ins that do not have proper online multiplayer. Star Fox has gimmick controls and no online where it could have. No console Pokemon game. I mean SHIT Pokemon Snap 2 would have been PERFECT with the Wii U's gimmick but it's not here. There's so much shit that Nintendo hasn't done, and it seems they're utterly out of touch with what will make them a lot of money.
They don't need that good a third party support. They don't need a powerful system etc. They simply need controls that the average person will find acceptable, proper online, and to make their "cash-in" games like Mario Party decent.
Basically others have made the points I made while I was typing this FUCK but yeah.
>>336825996
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it but control-wise prime 3 wasn't near as bad as you're making it out to be. I don't know what you were expecting
>NX will save the Wii U
>>336825357
I wish the first wiimote and six axis never existed because it gave people such a bad impression of motion controls. The Wii U pad is currently the best console controller for any game that requires precision aiming. Gryo is not a gimmick and the other companies really need to start using it to make shooting games playable on their consoles. I know the PS4 controller also has gyro, but I haven't actually seen it used in anything. It would only take one popular game to make people realize that they will need to use motion controls for aiming if they want to have a chance to compete.
>>336826710
I wager even the most hardcore Nintendork will admit the Wii U is ded now.
>>336826624
>There's a reason Sony is funding things like Bloodborne and Last Guardian, and it's not because they expect CoD/Minecraft-level sales. They know that as a platform holder, you can't just shit on entire fan groups, even if they're relatively niche
Except Nintendo did the exact same thing with games like The Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2; the latter of which worked out EXTREMELY well for them
Don't cherrypick examples faggot
>>336819531
The problem is though, with the PS4 already having a strong showing and Nintendo already having a low userbase, how can they attract 3rd parties to make the big name IPs like COD and Battlefield for the NX?
Unless they can win over the 3rd parties, they can't draw in a larger audience. If they can't draw in a larger audience then the 3rd parties won't care.
The NX will do badly because the only people who will buy it are the people who bought the WiiU. Probably lots of them won't bother since the WiiU was a failure and was abandoned early leading to players feeling betrayed by nintendo.
>>336825939
yeah i think this pretty solidly nails it. fuck all this overcomplicated rubbish - the problem with nintendo is one of lack of content and poor quality of available content. the N64 was criticised for having a paucity of good games, but we still had:
>SM64
first 3D game that actually did things right
>OOT
built on the SM64 formula and gave a cinematic gaming experience nobody had experienced
>majora's mask
same as OOT but with a surreal bent
>blast corps
just including it because i fucking loved this game. why can't we just have a "smashing the shit out of buildings" game these days?
>goldeneye
yeah it's aged terribly but it started the trend of viable console FPS
>banjo kazooie
massively polished platformer building off the SM64 formula
the N64 was remembered well in large part because of rare's genius at the time. nintendo has since then not had a decent third-party developer to rely on, so we're left with first-party games.
the wii and the wii u have both had decent games, but ever since the N64 nintendo's decline has been in large part because they're no longer capable of innovating in a way that is actually interesting to gamers. casual players think the wii remote is neat, but every time it's attempted to be implemented in an actual game that people on, say, /v/ would like (skyward sword) it's like they designed the game around the need to shoehorn in motion controls as opposed to trying to innovate with regards to the experience of the game itself. it's the entirely wrong approach - the jump to 3D was inevitable, so anon >>336825240 here is a fucking idiot, but nintendo made the jump well because of solid level design and innovative ways to utilise the technology with the experience as paramount. that could have happened with decent motion controls, but as others have said, the wii remote is poorly designed, and consequently games that utilise it heavily make it feel like a burden.
I wish Nintendo padded out their major releases with shit that would have been first-party blockbusters back in 1995. Just because we can have awesome 3D graphics doesn't mean we -have- to have full-blown 3D shit, or failing that (which is what we've been getting) half-assed empty 3D games. It would be so easy for nintendo to make a 2D side-scroller follow up to Super Metroid in a weekend, or make a game twice as big as Earthbound, but they just won't. Shovel Knight was kind of the right idea, I kinda wish more people were doing shit like that
>>336825849
It's not my fault you lack basic reading comprehension.
Nobody said anything about dropping a family friendly image. Something family friendly can still have huge amounts of brand power and market pull. Like Pixar. The OP says that the word 'Nintendo' needs to be on everyone's tongues, and that has nothing to do with going the road of M-rated games.
Stay in school
>>336827232
(2/2)
so really what they need to do is start making games that make people take notice again. zelda being open-world could potentially do this - if nintendo offer some kind of interesting spin on the open-world formula that makes people wonder why the fuck open world games haven't done things like this before, but to be honest i'm doubtful that a developer that can take so long to make a game as short as starfox zero are capable of pulling off an ambitious open world title.
>>336819531
>>>/biz/
for all of your seventeen year old economic arguments
>>336824609
Mario Galaxy was also built around the wii remote. In fact both the remote and Galaxy was constructed together, and thats what they should have done with other games as well.
Instead Prime, Skywards Sword, Zack and Wiki type games turned into games attached with gimmicks that could work with the wiimote.
They need grand theft auto. The japs should be blowing the housers to get gta on their systems but they're not. They're too arrogant for that. If your console doesn't have the highest selling 3rd party game then what's the point? You're always going to finish 2nd place at best
If rockstar come so will the rest of the 3rd party cucks like ea and ubisoft
Alternatively they shouldve stuck with the Wii brand and forged their own path. They shouldve made a straight up Wii 2 instead of the confusing abomination that was the U. Wii was a brand that people trusted, it was the video game equivalent of apple. They spent years teaching people - people who perhaps otherwise wouldn't have played video games - how to use the wiimote, and then they just fucking dropped it with the wii U. They couldve had a good thing, being the cheap, more accessible alternative to playstation. But they blew it. The wii U wasn't cheap, it wasn't accessible and it didn't appeal to the hardcore either. It essentially appealed to nobody.
If you want to compete with playstation, you need GTA. If you don't have GTA, you need to do somsthing to differentiate yourself.
The gamecube was essentially a shit playstation 2. It had no GTA, no PES, a fucked up controller, stupid design and no online play. That's why it failed. It wasn't a big anti nintendo conspiracy
>>336827463
>but to be honest i'm doubtful that a developer that can take so long to make a game as short as starfox zero are capable of pulling off an ambitious open world title.
Starfox Zero was made by platinum and it is a SHMUP. There are no SHMUP that are longer than 1 hour and half because it is meant to be replayed to get a better score.
Zelda had the help of Monolith Software for Zelda Wii U/NX. And Monolith Software was behind Xenoblade X.
What you have written is pretty stupid, anon.
>>336827850
>GTA fanboy
>>336825695
>Like...seriously having to touch the side of the screen to turn are you fucking for real right now?
>he didn't even look at the options
>he didn't change to advanced
What the fuck were you even doing?
>>336824029
Rehashes aren't just games in the same series, for example Mario Galaxy is not a rehash of SM64, but New Soup Wii/2/U are rehashes of New Soup 1.
What the poster is saying is, he wants games of the same quality as those games, a fresh feel to a long lasting series.
>>336827850
>Wii was a brand that people trusted
I'm going to have to disagree with you. The casuals who bought it for Wii sports didn't buy many other games and have now moved on to other platforms. They likely won't be coming back. The poor performance of the Wii near the end of its life also gave it a bad image with core gamers. The Wii is one of the big problems for Nintendo's image right now.
>>336819531
>it means whatever they're doing must be worth the sacrifice in their eyes
I have news for you kiddo
>>336828568
Sony always wins baby
Nah they need good games
Not mediocre games that fail to live up to older titles, not remakes but with dumb gommicks slapped on. Good games
Nintendo has no third party support, whos going to buy a wiiu for fucking 3d world? Shit like bayonetta 2 sales absolutly nothing but they kept wanting to fund it for some reason. Theres a reason why no one wanted to publish bayonetta 2
>>336819531
>The problem is BRANDING. The Nintendo brand is simply not big like the Playstation brand only because of their image as the Disney of video games.
This isn't a bad thing. You realize Disney is an unbelievably successful multi-billion dollar company, right? And that Disney being synonymous with baby stuff is basically no longer applicable, considering they own Marvel and Lucasfilm, and mainstream audiences are coming around on considering core Disney products "baby stuff". Normal, mainstream people fondly remember and talk about Mario and Zelda the way they remember Mickey Mouse and The Little Mermaid.
Branding was the least of the Wii U's problems. Bigger problems include:
>the casual market that made the Wii such a huge success had either moved on to mobile gaming, saw no reason to get a new console, or didn't even understand that it WAS a new console
>casual market (and some others) didn't understand it was a new console because they only showed off the gamepad, not the console, and the name didn't clue you in that this was the next thing (like a Super Nintendo or Xbox 360, or even PS2/3/4)
>core gamers were still iffy after basically being abandoned during the Wii's boom period, receiving a handful of genuinely fulfilling games aimed at that among a sea of casual stuff
>no killer app like Wii Sports that was immediately understandable by everyone and made novel use of the new gimmick (Nintendo Land tried, but failed)
>weak launch line-up, made up of Nintendo Land, another NSMB, and third party games that came out months or even years ago on other, last gen consoles
I do agree 100% that their willingness to basically abandon the Wii U and not rush to get it out in time for the holidays means they're looking to the long term, which is a good sign that they've learned from the Wii U. But again, I don't think branding has to do with that, since they're still very family friendly fun in terms of content, even with Miitomo.
>>336828568
let's hear them
>>336827970
platinum helped out but it was nintendo's baby. monolith aren't helping with zelda they just said they would if asked. you can google this.
i am aware of what starfox is meant to be, i'm not talking about the length of the game, i'm talking about the lack of variety in the levels themselves.
>>336827970
Platinum did not make star fox zero, why do people keep saying this?
>>336829160
They co-developed it, they're in the credits, it was announced before the game came out, and platinum devs on twitter have made it clear they're helping out
>>336826475
Pilotwings 64 was amazing, and so was wave race.
>>336829160
Hideki Kamiya (who had literally nothing to do with the game) is a huge fan of the series and even pushed for the inclusion of a Star Fox easter egg in Bayonetta 2.
Also there's that big ol' P* logo whenever you boot up the game.
I wonder what type of gameplay opportunities this would have provided
>>336829262
They didnt make it though
>>336819531
Nintendo also needs to stop treating their consumers like children that need to be shielded from the horrors of sex and violence. I'm not asking for an M-rated Mario FPS but they need to stop censoring the handful of Teen and Mature rated titles they have and let the adults enjoy them how they were created.
Kids don't even play those games anymore, they play M-rated FPS games, Minecraft, and phone games almost exclusively.
>>336823858
This.
>No, not a remake of 64, we want a new Star Fox!
>Here is Star Fox 64 on the Wii U
>How about a new Paper Mario game?
>Here's a M&L game
>No, Paper Mario, like the original!
>Okay here is Sticker Star 2
>Animal Crossing for Wii U?
>Here is Mario Party Crossing
>New LoZ?
>Here is a remake of Wind Waker
>No, a new LoZ game
>Okay here is a remake of Twilight Princess
I could keep going on. The 3DS is doing fine, but the Wii U (which seems to be the one they advertise and talk about the most) just keeps limping by.
>>336828442
>>336824029
>>336823858
What I don't understand with other dev studios, is that they are never expected to renew a series or innovate, it is only expected from Nintendo.
MS can produce as many Halo they want without changing a single thing, people will cope with it
ND have not changed a single thing in their Uncharted series, and still it is praised as the messiah of videogames by the sonyggers.
Sony could have uncountable entries in GoW, Killzone, Infamous series, it would still sell.
EA sells for billions with Battlefield, NHL, Madden, FIFA, no one minds.
Activision sells a CoD every year, nothing happens.
When Nintendo funds Bayonetta 2, people gets angry. When Nintendo funds Xenoblade X, people ignore it, when Nintendo give its chance to IS for a new series like Codename Steam, no one cares.
But as soon as there is a new Mario, it's like end of the times, even when the game is more than decent.
so Iwata has been dead for quite some time now, but I gotta wonder just how long it takes for a company to completely stomach an incident like that. I also have to wonder just how much it set the company back
>>336819531
Their problem is their complete lack of marketing.
>>336819531
You make an interesting point OP
I hope that Nintendo will get their ass off the shitter and start pissing upright like real men for once, and i think they're able to succeed
>>336825469
>ugghh ugghh *sigh* who in their right mind would play these AAA FPS games and multiplats?
>the WiiU has some good exclusives, why is no one buying it?
>hmm...it must be.. the PS4 and Xbone's normie-core brand image!
please be understanding, /v/ has autism
>>336829360
Heart rate censor for Fatal Frame, duh.Spawn more shit at you if your heart rate goes up.
>>336819531
>After all, the N64 and Gamecube were more powerful than their Playstation competitors
Just ignore that the lack of space on the game cartridges/discs was a severe limitation and made Gamecube useless for multiplatform titles (a big one: Grand Theft Auto)
>>336829545
Honestly they should just sell themselves to Sony.
Now there's success
>>336823414
Disney went through bad periods before. Why can't Nintendo?
I like gimmicks though.
Seriously, if it isn't for gimmicks why would you buy a console instead of playing on pc?
The problem with Nintendo isn't branding. Everyone and their mother knows who Nintendo is and what their mascots bring to the system. Nintendo problem is, they rely on innovation for the sake of innovation. Loom at Star Fox Zero, Paper Mario Splash, Kid Icarus (3DS), Metroid Federation Force. They can make games that people want, but instead they're obsessed with being Newtendo. Always obsessed with trying to reinvent the wheel ditching things that work, for things people hate. Then simultaneously saying "fuck you, you will like it because it's innovative and new."
This was the case for the Wii-U. Nobody asked for that shit, a lot of people who go to PS or Xbox went their for a straightforward approach to gaming. A controller and a box that plays games.
I respect Nintendo for staying true to their laurels, but sometimes it works against them. They need to reevaluate their approach and create something modern with a Nintendo spin. I'd like to see what they could do with better hardware, and a more streamlined approach to console gaming.
>>336828892
This right here. Some good game come out, ok, bt that's not what Nintendo is known for, becuase they have a record of sucking at it. No good launch titles, not good game 2-3 years in becuase they are the family oriented company with shitty and brainless gimmicks in their games.
When people buy a Nintendo console, they should feel empowered. A casual game but staying true to the basic fundamentals that make a game fun and engaging. And if the recent decade has taught me one thing, it is that that rarely happens.
>>336819531
>A well written and actually meaningful OP criticizing Nintendo
>Not an OP made by a shitposter pretending his own opinion is criticism
Am I still on /v/?
Anyway, well said. I agree. And they can do it. It's pretty much what Phil Spencer is trying to do with the Xbox brand after the Kinect and muh TV shit.
>>336824073
The game has its flaws for sure, but it's still pretty great.
Now if you're arguing about its inclusion among broader items then I can understand, but it feels like you simply detest the game instead.
Why do people act like every new Nintendo game is some experiment? Pokemon Sun & Moon is coming, that's probably traditional. Kirby Planet Robobot? Another traditional Kirby game in the future.
>>336831590
Kirby: Planet Robobot doesn't take place in the future. Popstar gets invaded by businesspeople who cover the planet in machines.
>>336831590
>Pokemon Sun & Moon
A game you know good and well Nintendo has absolutely no influence on, they just provide the hardware and collect a piece of the profit
>>336825950
You're not welcome here """Henry"""
They dont need to rebrand. If anything their brand is the only thing keeping them alive.
They need to become conpetitive. They are obsess with finding a new one hit wonder. They wont. They have the ips, they have the talent. They need to let go of the arrogance, they need to hire new people with interesting ideas, they need let go and grow.
>>336819531
>I think that signs like the generation-long Zelda delay (and showing only it at E3) and the NX not launching during Christmas are good in the long run. If they're willing to make these very large sacrifices and piss off a lot of people as well as lose holiday sales, it means whatever they're doing must be worth the sacrifice in their eyes. It seems they're banking VERY hard on the NX's launch being extremely strong.
I think what this actually indicates is that they don't have third party games ready to go -- either because they were far too late getting kits out, they provided poor documentation with the kits AGAIN, or third parties aren't even bothering with ports until the install base is there -- or they are once again having trouble getting their in-house stuff done on time, despite having an absolutely barren release schedule for the Wii U because they are supposedly shifting everything to NX.
>>336823414
Nintendo hasn't had much "quality " as of late. They seem to be living off the fact that they made great games in the past. Disney has actually been on fire the past few years with their shit.
>>336824609
If Nintendo wants to sell, they need strong third party support. Seriously, multiplats move consoles these days, not exclusives.
Nintendo is a sinking ship because they don't understand that making video games is about making a product and people giving you money for it.
The decisions they make in marketing and technology are laughably stupid and archaic.
>>336819531
>Contrary to popular belief, Nintendo's problem is NOT having an underpowered console, or gimmicky controller, or whatever. That's not the reason they don't sell. After all, the N64 and Gamecube were more powerful than their Playstation competitors without any gimmicks, and yet were crushed.
THIS. FUCKING. THIS.
This is what retards don't get. This is what simple minded people that can only parrot Neogaf's opinions can't grasp. Power means jack shit.
Nintendo could poop out a console that doubles the power of a PS4 Neo and they would still have the same problems they had with the Wii U and GC before it.
You are damn right. Nintendo needs to change their brand, making more agressive marketing. Look at fucking Splatoon, it is a hit and it got an embarassing amount of marketing behind it. That's the fucking key. Not "muh power! Muh no gimmicks! Muh x86!".
>>336819531
How to fix Nintendo
>Make super edge games for kids like CoD because they want to be cool kids
>>336834138
Or they could oh I don't know.....actually listen to their customers and give them what they want instead of being a bunch of arrogant jackasses that just do whatever they want.
>>336834020
>Power means jack shit.
That's not entirely accurate. Not being able to display in HD during a massive consumer shift to HD televisions and being totally reliant on motion controls is a large part of why the Wii lost steam much faster than the competition.
>>336834138
How is COD edgy?
>>336834231
>actually listen to their customers and give them what they want
Someone post that post with Miyamoto complaining about fans and Zelda games.
>>336834353
I'm just being generic honestly CoD isn't edgy.
>>336819531
I think the main problem is the heads of development. Just look at splatton, a fresh idea by new, young people, and some of the faults it has, like no voice chat is because Miyamoto forced them to not put it in. They just need a change of idea-people, and a 0 gimmick, current gen console. I'm pretty sure Nintendo would win if they had a console other companies would like to develop games for.
>>336834554
>Miyamoto forced them to not put it in
One day, you'll get cancer at fingers if you keep writing bullshit. Hopefully.
>>336831125
>Kid Icarus (3DS)
Hey now, that game's weird control scheme actually worked.
>>336819531
They could but I for one don't want Nintendo to pander to normies.
>>336819531
In their pursuit for innovation Nintendo dropped the ball multiple times, wich is expected i mean not every formula can be a winning formula
If Nintendo really wants to be succesfull they have to take the safe route, release the same controller for every single console generation, cause nobody can keep up with their shit
But i don't want to see them do that, so... it's not so simple OP
>>336835649
They don't have to pander, they just have to convince them Nintendo is cool again
>>336834389
Yeah, since being the special snowflake of the console market is totally working for them right now....right?
>>336834554
Been saying it for years, Nintendo needs new blood. Most of those old Japs are too stuck in the past. And simply won't change no matter what.
>>336834554
Is Miyamoto responsible for global warming too?
>>336836657
They akready did what fans asked for several times. They got shit as answer. They can't win, no matter what.
>>336819531
I liked your post, good shit
>>336819531
Nintendo can never win, because the problem isn't Nintendo, it's the consumers.
>Give us new shit, stop rehashing everything!
>Okay, here's some new IPs, old IPS with radically different gameplay, and more.
>FUCKING NINTENDO, STOP "INNOVATING" JUST GIVE US WHAT WE LIKE.
>Okay, here's some traditional games a la donkey kong tropical freeze, wooly world, etc.
>NINTENDO, WHY ARE YOU REHASHING!?????
I know the funny keky meme here is "It's okay when Nintendo does it," but funny enough, it's literally the opposite. Anything Nintendo does is scrutinized to hell and back, and they're never given a break.
People, and the general masses get hyped for shit like MGS 5, Witcher 3, Dark Souls 3, all literally rehashes, and yet they're given free passes.
It's been cool to hate nintendo since the existence of the sega, and was extremely amplified when Playstation came out.
Nintendo is doing right by doing what they want to do without heeding to what anybody else wants at this point.
>>336836872
It amuses me how this keeps evolving as new Zelda games come out.
>>336819531
No their problem is their fucking game release.
They have so many IPs and they barely do anything with them other than Mario, Zelda, Pokemon arguably Kirby and now Fire Emblem.
>>336819531
AAA publishers want the dudebro/normie demographic and they don't play on Nintendo's platforms. That's all there is to it.
AAA blockbusters appeal to that demographic and it's largely all big publishers want to make, so they don't support Nintendo in a big way. If we had more AA and risky, niche games coming like we did 6th gen and back maybe Nintendo would be seeing more support.
But as the industry is now, these publishers can only sustain themselves on these massive AAA blockbusters and most consumers think any game that doesn't have photo-realistic visuals with voice acting and cutscenes every 10 minutes is for kids. Games need to be movies now, apparently.
wew lad
>>336837059
>Anything Nintendo does is scrutinized to hell and back, and they're never given a break.
Nintendo is the only major developer/publisher out there that is actually treated fairly with real, hard criticism. Look at any interview with Reggie and Geoff, he actually asks good, hard questions Reggie doesn't always have an answer to. Then watch him interview someone from Activision or EA. Bends over and licks their fucking taint, it's a PR stunt, not journalism.
EVERYONE else gets a free pass because of how the industry and media work and collude together. People think
>HA, games journalism doesn't matter, it's just fucking games, who cares?
But it does matter. A lot. When the media tells these publishers and the public that broken, buggy $60 games with $100+ in DLC is 9.5/10 best shit ever, then we keep getting more of it and it conditions buyers to expect and accept it.
>>336837681
Remember the good times, they're never coming back.
>>336837987
Back then it wasn't as bad but you could see signs of bending over backwards for advertising. Geoff would probably ask harder questions for Activision for EA if his job wasn't on the line.
>>336837681
>he actually asks good, hard questions Reggie doesn't always have an answer to.
I agree, there was even a 2014 interview with Reggie from the dudes at IGN that brought up the subject of Virtual Console cross-buy, I've never seen anyone else bring that up to him even though it's a common request.
>>336838558
And that's exactly the problem, his job is on the line when he actually does his fucking job properly. The huge publishers have far too much sway over the media.
EGM/1up's AssCreed 1 review and the Gamepot Kane and Lynch 2 fiasco are perfect examples of how publishers respond to less-than-favorable coverage from media outlets they have advertising contracts with. And it's only been getting worse.
Nintendo and other, smaller Japanese developers are off in their own little bubble as far as these media outlets are concerned. They gain nothing by inflating scores and probably stand to gain more by giving a Nintendo game low scores to generate controversy and traffic on the site.
>>336833631
A lot of what's been released in the last year is because Nintendo has been gearing up NX development behind the scenes, getting ready for their next console launch and beyond.
But they couldn't very well leave the WiiU with absolutely nothing, so they hurried along development of games like amiibo Festival and Mario Tennis (and Star Fox probably, until Miyamoto put his foot down). Also they probably reduced each dev team's size. The result is new games with a dearth of worthwhile content, or HD remakes of older games.
Nintendo has mentioned there are still unannounced WiiU games but it's probably more of the same in that vein: new games light on content or HD remakes of GC games. Hopefully when NX launches next year the release titles for it don't have that problem.
>>336839064
>Guy got fired for calling a mediocre game mediocre
Feels bad man.
can't wait for nintendo to go third party, right bros? xD MARIO ON THE PS5 AND WE'LL FINALLY GET BAYONETTA 2
>>336839571
I don't know which notion is dumber. Thinking Nintendo's going third party anytime soon, or that they'll actually make games for Playstation if they did. They already have their eyes set on the mobile market.
>>336840004
CAUSE SONY ALWAYS WINS AND WITH THOSE NINTENDRONE IPS, WE CAN FINALLY SAY WE KILLED NINTENDO
>>336839436
Then he created an entertaining site that went to shit later after it had been bought out by former employer who fired him.
>>336840183
How can one man be so troubled?
>>336819531
People really can't stand that Nintendo relies on gimmicks so much, but I think it's good for the industry. It keeps things fresh - in theory, at least. In practice, the games people want to buy, the AAA games, are designed as cheaply and lazily as possible. They just don't release a version for the Nintendo console, or they use the gimmick badly, and everyone acts like it's Nintendo's fault for "forcing" the gimmick.
Nintendo should take a break from overwhelming gimmicks. Go back to smaller gimmicks, like the D-Pad or whatever. Those scroll-wheel shoulder buttons, those are a great idea. They're unobtrusive, but they also provide solutions to a lot of problems. FPS games can benefit from rapid, easy weapon switching. Games like MH can benefit from being able to select your items easily. They're not going to be anything groundbreaking, but just like a 2nd screen, they enhance the experience by moving clutter to more efficient places.
I also honestly liked the form-fitting screen idea, but I know nobody else did.
How delusionally servile do you have to be to develop a persecution disorder by proxy for a fucking corporation?
I see where you're coming from OP but let's not pretend their brand is the one and only reason they're floundering. They're floundering because they don't know which audience they want to appeal to anymore, they barely do any proper marketing, they have huge ass droughts where they release nothing for months at a time, and they tried to ride on the Wii/DS success hard but only wound up making poor copies of them with ill conceived gimmicks and confusing names (which was only made even worse because they didn't know how to advertise them).
A rebranding to get people to stop thinking of them as only being "that baby company with the Mario games" would help but they have loads of other problems to work on first, and it would probably require them to actually buy up studios that are capable of making mature games.
It isn't image. It's lack of 3rd party support and lame 1rst party software. I know you nintendo fans think they make great games, but they are too easy and often inferior to older versions of their products.
They're lazy and get by with it because the fans can't handle criticism and honestly think Nintendo still makes great games.
Best of luck with all that.
>>336840584
>but they are too easy
This, in the world of Assassin's Creed and Uncharted. Right.
>>336840692
See, you can't handle criticism.
>3DS and Wii U lineups for 2016 are bleak as fuck
>NX reveal probably months away
>with no news and absolutely nothing to talk about, all Nintendo-related threads will be shitposting for the next several months
This is a serious problem
>>336840324
He doesn't play the suck cock game - so it's an upward battle for him.
>>336840878
Not him but Nintendo games aren't the only ones that have progressively gotten easier, it's nearly all games
To say that "Nintendo games are too easy and often inferior to older versions of their series" makes it sound like it only applies to Nintendo games. This is an industry-wide problem
>>336840945
>3DS
3DS's library is absolutely fine, especially with Kirby and Rhythm Heaven on the horizon.
>>336840878
This is not an argument. It's ad hominem.
You're right that I can't handle criticism when the criticism is incorrect.
>>336841108
>>336841253
Can't believe it's this easy to bait Nintenfags. Have fun playing your shitty underpowered console, lol.
>>336826226
It was shit. Sorry you have terrible taste
>>336841108
Nintendo drove off the cliff and others are driving towards it. Uncharted on crushing is far more engaging than any Zelda game. GodOW on it's hardest setting is far more engaging than Zelda or Mario, yet those two examples are closer to medium on the larger scale. Yet Nintendo fans shit on both those series despite having nothing first party that is better.
Again, bad first party games and little 3rd part support is limiting their appeal.
Also online is a big deal, but whatever.
>>336827350
>family friendly image
>that has nothing to do with going the road of M-rated games
nintentodlers everyone
>>336837167
Those are definitely the most pushed IPs, but what about the fact that this gen they released:
>Kid Icarus Uprising
>two Star Fox
>Pilotwings Resort
>two Chibi Robo
>two Steel Diver (basically a revived Radar Mission)
>Fluidity Spin Cycle
>Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
>Game & Wario
>Brain Age Concentration Training
>Xenoblade Chronicles X
>Rhythm Heaven
>two of those fashion games I don't remember the names of
Let's not forget new IPs:
>four Pushmo
>two Boxboy
>two Dillon's Rolling Western
>Ketzal's Corridors
>arguably Star Fox Guard
>NES Remix (only sort of new because of the Remix challenges)
>Nintendoland
>Codename Steam
>Sakura Samurai
>But it's not F-Zero or Metroid so it's shit!
>>336823889
What the hell is this?
>>336826226
Yeah I love it when my platformer game gimps the hell out of my movement options from the previous game in favor of some bullshit Jetpack gimmick.
>>336842082
A meme
>>336841943
This is Nintendo's problem, they do produce games that aren't just Mario or Zelda, but you often don't hear about them. A lot of those are low budget or even downloadable only titles so natural most people won't consider them major releases worth noting, and often Nintendo themselves seem content with just brushing them under the rug and pretending they don't exist while they air commercials for the latest Mario cash-in.
Splatoon was one of the rare cases where they actually tried to push a new IP and I have to guess that was only because it was made by EAD and not a second party studio or something.
>Great games sell the system
Actually great marketing sells anything, hence the success of the PS4 and Splatoon.
>>336826670
To be fair the lack of Pokemon Snap 2 is the fault of The Pokemon Company and not Nintendo, they don't think people would be interested because everyone has a smartphone with a camera now. Yes, this is the retarded fucking logic they used to come to this conclusion.
>>336842231
Oh yeah I really loved the part where Mario's moveset was the exact same from SM64 except they switched the long jump with the equally useful spin jump and added the jet pack on top for good measure.
What were you saying again?
>>336842604
>Spin Jump as useful as Long Jump
Fuck outta here
>>336842454
To add to my post, it doesn't help Nintendo that their decision-making people are old Kyoto cronies.
>>336819531
I and everyone I know including normies don't give a fuck about branding or how the console is perceived instead we only care to play a game we want to play.
It's purely exclusives. I didn't buy a WiiU because it didn't offer any real exclusives I had any interest in. No metroid. No real mario and no Zelda.
I have been an Idort from the first atari console until this generation. WiiU being the first console I didn't deem worthy to buy.
Nintendo needs to focus on developing more and better games.
The same can be said of the One and PS4 to be honest. But at least they have multiplats to fall back on.
People like my dad just walk into the store look for fifa 16 grabs it. Sees it's for PS4 and buys that console with it. They don't even really think about buying those specific consoles. Nintendo doesn't really have a game like that.
If they made a real zelda/mario or metroid game they could actually pull some people in.
>>336841943
>rehash
>two rehashes
>shit
>two rehashes
>two rehash diver
>shit
>rehash tropical freeze
>game and rehash
>rehash age
>rehashblade
>rhythm rehash
>two rehash fashion
and let's not forget the new rehashes:
>four rehash-mo
>two rehashboy
>two rehash rolling west
>rehash corridors
>rehash fox guard
>NES rehash
>rehash land
>codename rehash
>rehash samurai
>>336842741
Good thing they are undergoing a corporate restructure.
>>336842421
Well they tried forcing demos downloads for some eShop games, but people didn't like that.
They should really work on advertising them through other methods though.
>>336843128
What in the holy mother of fuck is Kid Icarus Uprising a rehash of
>>336843301
Anon, it wasn't even pretending to not be bait.
This is the information age. Word of mouth in the internet has power.
And if word of mouth says Nintendo's newest shit is 10-15 times weaker than the competition, yet costs nearly as much, then you get punished for it.
Anybody else just sick and tired of Miis? I've hated these motherfuckers ever since the Wii and they keep getting shoved into everything Nintendo does nowadays. The moment when I saw them in Sm4sh is when I was done.
>>336843301
kid icarus for the nes
>>336843301
Obviously Sin and Punishment.
>>336842252
Details plz
>>336842421
>Splatoon was one of the rare cases where they actually tried to push a new IP
Who would've thought that an aggressive marketing campaign would lead to a game selling well? I'm sure Nintendo was fucking floored.
>>336843510
Some guy made a video showing off weird quirks of Mario 64 physics, then everyone proceeded to force it and made dozens of threads about it a day until it became a meme.
https://youtu.be/kpk2tdsPh0A
>>336823943
>The NX could have the best line-up on the planet but that won't matter if everyone still sees it as kiddieshit.
Except it won't be seen as kiddieshit if people are talking about how it has the best line-up on the planet, save for people who would call it kiddieshit no matter what.
>>336843113
This is what I was saying. If the games are great i'll buy it. Nintendo lost me with the Wii because their games sucked.
Only Nintendo fans like Nintendo games, that's the real problem.
Brand value is not the problem, people aren't loyal to one yet even then Nintendo the biggest loyal following, their brand value is strong, their product is just weak. Nintendo makes Nintendo games and the majority of people don't give a fuck about cutesey 1 hour platformers anymore especially when Nintendo wants to charge people AAA prices for these experiences.
The product is undesirable and overly expensive, the latter will never change and you can't fix the former, that's just how it is.
The problem isn't really the image of Nintendo games being kiddie, the problem is that it honestly seems like Nintendo is going out of their way to make the WORST DECISIONS POSSIBLE that pisses off an already unstable fanbase. The Wii U is pretty much a failure, and while I do commend them for making some great titles on it like Splatoon and 3D World, these great games seem to be a major exception for them. Shit like Federation Force, Animal Crossing Amiibo Party, Sticker Splash, and the general refusal to try to make many things of worth on the Wii U itself are incredibly troubling. The fact that their future plans with the NX are so secretive is also not inspiring a lot of confidence, simply because WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, and it could end up being an even bigger blunder than the Wii U very easily.
>>336843593
>that pic
Some of that marketing was successful in roundabout ways
Dunno if "Squid Kids" was successful due to luck or well-placed faith in modern man's cynicism.
strike a deal with EA or 2K and get some real life human games in your lineup. Some story-rich games, and some sport stuff, nobody is gonna buy a whole console for ninetendo meme children games. They'll buy it for the average normie stuff, stay for the meme fun stuff. In other words Nintendo has to
>Stop
>Collaborate
>Listen
If all they're willing to show of the NX is Zelda doesn't that already imply that the launch is gonna be really disappointing?
I know one thing they could stop doing to increase sales.
>>336843960
I don't think it was roundabout at all. It was exactly what any good jingle should be, a catchy earworm that stay with you. It had the added benefit of being ridiculed for being so simple/stupid, which just got more eyes on the game in the first place.
The problem is third party
If NX can gain third party back they can be kings again
>>336843903
>because their games sucked.
You honestly thought both Mario Galaxies are bad?
>>336829447
This is actually the PROBLEM with nintendo.
They don't make the same enough games.
Look at pokemon. It's the same every year and it sells like hotcakes.
We actually complain about nintendo because it ISN'T the same every time this is a serious problem.
We want a new zelda made every couple of years. We want a new 3d mario made every couple of years. Mariokart, Metroid primes and paper marios.
BUT INSTEAD of doing the same shit like every other company they have to "innovate" And fuck themselves up by making adjustments and games that aren't really what we want.
Look at WiiU's most successful games they are all what we want. Pikmin 3 (just pikmin done again great) Bayonetta 2 (Bayonetta again great) same for mario kart and super smash bros.
Now look at the games that didn't do well:
W101. New shit that we didn't ask for.
The same can be said about their console peripherals in general. WE DON'T WANT NEW SHIT NINTENDO.
I FUCKING pray nintendo finally understands they don't need to fucking innovate but just do what every other company does and make the same games over and over again just like we want.
Let's be fucking honest. We just want real zelda 3D marios and metroids.
Nintendo should program their games worse so people can find gameplay exploits in them more frequently.
>>336844068
The censorship makes sense here. Why would a girl be in a bikini in an old, broken down, rusty piped building?
>>336844102
>Now look at the games that didn't do well:
>W101. New shit that we didn't ask for.
>The same can be said about their console peripherals in general. WE DON'T WANT NEW SHIT NINTENDO.
>I FUCKING pray nintendo finally understands they don't need to fucking innovate but just do what every other company does and make the same games over and over again just like we want.
Speak for your fucking self. I don't mind them rehasing established series and them being samey, but I sure as fuck want new series from them as well.
>>336836871
It depends. If you're republican, probably, since he's japanese and foreginers are to blame for everything, even when you don't believe in global warming since you're a republican. If you're a liberal, partially, since nintendo is one of the more contaminant company.
>>336819531
N64 didn't use discs. It effectively was less powerful because it couldn't store nearly as much. Gamecube got crushed because the PS2 was legendary. Everyone was crushed by it. Branding is a huge issue, but it's a combination of that and hardware.
>>336844252
You are the minority. Look at the sales of those titles. Look at pokemon.
People in general just want the same shit over again. Even we hardcore audience actually do.
Look at the souls series right now. they're the fucking same games. But they're fucking great.
Nintendo going third party would be the death of their IPs
>>336844206
Because it was a photoshoot for the bikini
>>336844206
Because she wants to kill herself for being a bikini model, that's why
she entered the suicide forest. She thought the whole ordeal was too
shameful to bear.
If you put her out of the costume, it makes way less sense. Now, she
wants to kill herself because she's simply being photographed. I suppose
that isn't completely untrue of modern girls.
>>336844085
>If NX can gain third party back they can be kings again
The ship has sailed to sony, pc and xbox and it's getting further away every day. Getting third party back is one hurdle and they can't just jump it and win, they need to get third party back AND make games that everybody wants AND make a console worth buying thus drawing interest into the consoles to justify the third party support which will just disappear again if nobody buys the console.
It's a tall order, especially if only NIntendo fans buy the NX like the wiiU, Nintendo might just get out of the console business for good and just go mobile.
>>336819531
>Rebranding.
That would imply Nintendo spends money on marketing.They don't.
>>336819531
>>
>>contrary to popular belief, I think that the n64 and gamecube systems didnt have gimmicky controllers
>>something about branding
At this point i wanted to stop reading because you're showing your age, or rather lack thereof.
Nintendo had the biggest brand and they fell off, man. Their market share has been greatly diminished everywhere except Japan, and it IS because of their weak hardware, retarded ass gimmicks and lackluster 3rd party library.
I don't own a PS4 because of what my pissant friends do, I'm a fucking adult. I own a PS4 because there are great games that I can't play on PC. I honestly feel like you cant say that for nintendo, every goddamn zelda game has been shit since the gamecube days, and there hasnt been a decent metroid since they abandoned a controller design process that begins with the human hand.
What they need is for their new system to be a strong piece of hardware to attract developers to it's capabilities, with a decent SDK available so they can get more indie shit as well. A console is just a vehicle man, you're preaching about a plan that if is followed will only trick consumers into buying another shit-tier console.
Granted, that plan will profit nintendo, but nobody will enjoy the fucking thing. So yeah they can do that, it's what they've been doing for the past 12 years.
>>336844087
Very bad games. Shallow as fuck. Linear. 90% of it was shit. The last 10% is what the game should have been after a half an hour or hour of play.
Just because they're the only 3D platformers doesn't make them amazing. Still waiting for a proper sequel to SM64 or anyone to make a huge platformer with tons of things to explore and discover.
Would be nice.
>>336844430
Explain why.
>>336844424
I want them to quit some of the experimental stuff as it's very hit or miss in their established series, but there's nothing wrong with new series. If you're content with the same series over and over fine, but people whine about wanting more new series from Nintendo for a reason. Wonderful 101 and Splatoon are both awesome games and it helps they're actually fucking new IPs as well.
Also people shit on Pokemon for being the same constantly as well, you realize?
>>336844102
>Pikmin 3 (just pikmin done again great) Bayonetta 2 (Bayonetta again great) same for mario kart and super smash bros.
These were all new series at some point.
>>336844840
Because they'd drive their quality even further to shit
Would you prefer for Nintendo to continue doing gimmicks or just saturate the market more with another underpowered PC?
>>336844540
the only console zelda that there has been since the gamecube has been skyward sword, which i will agree is garbage. so i guess you mean twilight princess? replaying the HD re-release, i'm starting to realise how much of my lukewarm feelings about the game were a result of the fucking annoying motion controls on the wii. being able to play it like a normal game is a blast. just a same that this console cycle, the only two zelda games we've had have been remakes.
the handheld zelda games have been pretty good - ALBW is pretty excellent, all things considered. so we're just left with skyward sword being shit. if they can manage to make a zelda game that doesn't turn into a 40-hour tech demo for whatever stupid gimmick they're trying to push on the NX then job's a good 'un.
but come on, you just know that the NX is going to have some annoyingly obtuse controller gimmick. the NX version will be redone to shoehorn it into every single crevice they can, and the wii u version will be deliberately gimped in order to convince people to buy the NX version and, by extension, an NX.
>>336844960
Why do you think this?
>>336825645
Even my mom wants to get a ps4, and she has zero intention of playing anything. It's all Netflix for her.
>>336845054
Are you saying the PS4 and the Xbone are underpowered PCs? You ignorant fuck
>>336844675
What do you think of Sunshine? 3D Land & World?
And honestly the Wii brought back some solid sleeper hits that are more for a core audience. Punch Out, Sin & Punishment 2, DKCR, etc. That's pretty harsh.
>>336845180
rehash
>>336819531
I think it makes sense business-wise to delay Zelda and shunt Wii U releases to NX. It shows that they've learned from the Wii U that it's games that ultimately sell the console. I think that, as long as the launch titles aren't along the lines of Mario Tennis: Colour Splash, the NX should have a decent launch.
>>336845148
Are you implying they're not?
>>336819531
I've been lurking this thread, and this is honestly one of the best threads on /v/ in a while. There's been a lot of solid points made on multiple sides of the topic. /v/ threads should do this more often.
>>336844540
>I own a PS4 because there are great games that I can't play on PC.
PS4 has ONE great game that you can't play on PC, and that's Bloodborne.
>>336845231
They are so much more than that
>>336819531
The problem with neo-Nintendo is AUTISM, they consider Disney and other toy brands their real competitors, not other videogame companies like they used to think before Iwata.
N64 and Game Cube sold poorly because they were to incompetent to support and give priority to thinrd party games, that and their refuse to use normal discs, but as consoles they were great.
>>336845226
the NX will be a deliberate attempt to make the wii lightning strike twice and it will be full of launch titles marketed to casuals - mark my words. the controller will contain a pedometer and the most prominent launch title will be a fitness game.
>>336845226
>It shows that they've learned from the Wii U that it's games that ultimately sell the console.
I disagree. I think they learned that hype and marketing are what sell them.
>>336819531
>The problem is BRANDING
no
>>336845330
How so?
>>336845410
I think we'd all be happier if Nintendo focused more on advertising than making games
>>336845350
Kimishima is constantly talking about the value of the Nintendo IP and expanding the strength of the brand, dunno if this is gonna lead to good things in the long run but at the very least it sounds like he isn't interested in coasting along with the status quo at least.
>>336845517
Their library
Their exclusives
Pc and Steam just can't compete
>>336845068
Because I've played Microsoft, Sony and mobile games
>>336845606
For one, xbone games are already playable on PC. Also PS4 certainly doesn't have any worthwhile games now besides Bloodborne. Plus you don't have to pay a montly/annual fee to play online and the games are relatively cheaper and of the same quality.
>>336845606
>Their exclusives
They both have like, one or two each, buddy pal.
>>336845586
yeah but what does he mean by that? they included the fitness trainer in smash bros - the fitness stuff is very much part of the "nintendo ip", it could be that they want to go full casual this time, and the rumoured "handheld + console" thing is because they want to include a bunch of casual-friendly "on the go" games and the console itself will be effectively a media centre for those sorts of people.
i'm not saying it won't have some decent nintendo IPs, but the wii also had some good games. i just reckon they're going to look back over the past 20 years or so and realise that their biggest runaway success was the wii and that was when they cornered an area of the market that doesn't usually play games. they're going to try and do that this time, too.
>>336845180
Sin and Punishment 2 was fucking awesome
>>336845180
I think very little of Sunshine and 3D world. They aren't garbage but I expect more from Nintendo. It used to be I expected more from them because they always delivered top notch software. It was expected.
Now I REALLY expect more because they really have to justify a console purchase. I loved my Gamecube because it had great 3rd party games. Mario and Zelda was very disappointing. Smash was great. Star fox was sad and F Zero was made by amusement vision who was spectacular.
As for the Wii and those 3 games you listed I would have purchased them if I hadn't already sold my Wii. Which I don't regret doing. Even if I missed out on games like punch out and sin and punishment.
Also DKR did not look very good, but I only loved the first DKC game. Played the fuck out of that but never could get into 2 or 3.
>>336846048
>they included the fitness trainer in smash bros - the fitness stuff is very much part of the "nintendo ip", it could be that they want to go full casual this time,
That character was put in cause ever Smash game has some character put in, that no one sees coming for the hell of it.
>>336846048
>and the rumoured "handheld + console" thing is because they want to include a bunch of casual-friendly "on the go" games and the console itself will be effectively a media centre for those sorts of people.
If that ended up being true, that actually fix one of Nintendo's biggest problems. Splitting up support between their handheld and console. People making Mario Kart for 3DS? They can't start work on Wii U Mario Kart till that's finished. System that's both? No more problems with that.
There's no proof who or what NX is and who's it for till we know.
>>336825264
It's called an attach rate. Look it up. Ps4 and Xbone owners don't buy games.
>>336819531
The average people gravitate towards the familiar
Sony kept the same control scheme, it's easy to pick up even after skipping a whole generation, they win
Nintendo made new controllers that you have to learn each time, they lose
There you go, didn't need to write an essay about it
>>336819531
the real problem is that Nintendo doesn't have mature grey and brown 3rd person shooters for mature gamers
>>336846349
Attach rates are higher when the install base is low
I'm surprised you didn't know that. Dumb nintendrone.
>>336846337
i think you misunderstood me - i wasn't saying this was necessarily a bad thing. i just have a feeling they will be focusing a launch around appealing to casual gamers as opposed to a typical "gamer" crowd. you can sort of see rumblings of this in their shunning of E3 this year.
i personally don't really mind if the NX sustains itself by making a bunch of shovelware fitness crap for health nuts. the only really bad things about the wii were its horrible controller and the lack of HD - if the NX just allows us to play games without motion controls (though i am not optimistic) and has enough quality first-party IP which they support by marketing some stupid exercise app then i don't mind.
>>336846781
>if the NX just allows us to play games without motion controls (though i am not optimistic)
People seem to forget the Pro Controller was a thing for both the Wii and Wii U, and a controller they themselves made and support.
What's wrong with Nintendo staying niche?
>>336841905
Wow you really can't read.
They're saying that BECOMING MORE POPULAR has nothing to do with MAKING M-RATED GAMES
It's sad knowing that you're not capable of feeling like an idiot.
The problems that Nintendo face are the same problems they've always faced, simply magnified to a greater scale.
>reliance on first party games
Lack of 3rd party support and typical cute Nintendo characters means that, in the public eye, Nintendo will always be considered "kiddy." Now, their brand is strong enough to survive on first party alone, but recently (this real most obviously) they've been fucking retarded and not being consistent with mainline series releases, and more shit even the real fans don't want. Animal Crossing amiibo party, Color Splash, and Galactic Force Federation (seriously, it's been how many years since a mainline Metroid and you dump this shit?).
When you have problems keeping the attention of even your fanboys, you know a company is really fucking up.
>>336829447
This is the realest and most truthful fucking thing I've ever seen on /v/
Drop that fucking mic
The shitlords on here will ignore this logic of course
>>336846664
The Wii U had that, but they were lazy, shitty, overpriced, and usupported ports. Also, Devil's Third.
>>336846486
Then how did the wii sell so much?
>>336847035
Nintendo marketed it heavily and presented it well.
>>336847035
The Wii is easy to pick up, my grandma used to play that shit, the gamecube and WiiU on the other hand
ITT: Pure Nindendo fanboy bullshit
What Nintendo need to do is fuck off and quit the hardware sector and become a 3rd party publisher on other consoles and PC.
I want to play Nintendo games, but I don't want to fork out more cash for another Nintendo machine that will not have any 3rd party support simply to play the latest Mario or Zelda.
I want that shit on PS4 or PC, and I want it now.
>>336847106
So then doesn't that just disregard your logic. Assuming you are the one I replied to.
>>336846981
the wii u was underpowered shit.
What they need is a console that is on the same level as xbox and playstation with the same 3rd party titles. Their exclusives won't sell any more consoles cause everyone who wants them already has their console.
A Nintendo console with the same hardware as a playstation and same 3rd party titles would easily dominate the market because of having many more exclusive titles.
>>336847395
What was so foreign about the controllers?
>>336846881
yeah but for a bunch of their flagship IPs you have to use motion controls because the game revolves around them.
>>336829447
>>336846956
Nintendo made 1 new ip this gen, Sony made like fucking 20, some of which are good, some aren't, Microsoft probably made a couple too but the point is they're trying seeing what works and what doesn't. At this point all we want Nintendo to do is make good games of the series they're rehasing.
>>336847434
I'm not the one you replied to, though I can't say i entirely disagree with him either. I'd say both of these issues worked against the Wii U.
>>336847692
>Nintendo made 1 new ip this gen,
Hold the fuck up. They did not make only one new IP this gen. They made more then one, both for Wii U and 3DS. Whether you like those other new IPs or not is another thing altogether, but don't spout off lies as truth.
>>336847570
Are you asking me to explain to you why the Wii is more accessible than the Gamecube and the WiiU?
>>336847692
>Splatoon
>Codename STEAM
>Pushmo
>Dillon's Rolling Western
>Wonderful 101
>Steel Divers
>Box Boy
Just because they aren't all AAA high budget games doesn't discount them from being new IPs.
>>336847570
I don't get the problems with the tablet. It works fine for me
>>336847926
No. I just want your opinion about them.
>>336847398
I want a new Sly Cooper game, but instead of being with a developer who would actually deliver, the franchise is stuck with Sony who are doing jack all with it. And even if they did make a new Sly game, I'd have to wonder if it would justify me buying a system that only has one other worthwhile exclusive on it. Bottom line is, we don't always get what we want.
>>336847932
Published =/= made
>>336848107
Sony themselves hasn't made sht either in that case
>>336848107
Steel Divers is made by EAD. Splatoon is EAD. Codename Steam is Intelligent Systems. Boxboy is HAL. Pushmo Intelligent Systems.
Only Wonderful 101 was made by Platinum, but they own the IP regardless.
>>336847932
So they created 4 new ips, 1 of which is a good console game, another a good handheld game, and 2 which are mobile tier levels of shovelware.
>>336848328
They tried at least. I wish GameFreak take a break from Pokemon. Stuff like Drill Dozer and HarmoKnight was a breath of fresh air from them.
>>336848489
Pocket Card Jockey is good too.
>>336848489
In a similar vein, I'd love a different developer to make a pokemon game.
>>336848328
What on that list is good and what is shovelware?
Because Splatoon and W101 are some of the best console games released this generation, and Codename STEAM got patched until it was a solid 7/10 game. Pushmo and Box Boy are also really good puzzle games.
>>336848294
Does Nintendo own Sakura Samurai and Dillon's?
>>336848847
Yes. They own the IP rights to those games.
More advertising?
Get Rick and Morty season 3 to advertise the NX. They already did a free ad for the 3DS in season 2. Also, it wouldn't be that hard to undo the damage SEGA did in the 90's by just rebranding the NX to be a "we offer games for people of all ages, from little babies to hardcore edgy punkass 12 year olds to adults" machine instead of a "we make games suitable for everyone" machine.
>>336848682
Let Monolith make a Pokemon game. The XBX style open world with Pokemon encounters would be one of the hypest things ever created.
>>336848107
Every time, there's always that one fag who has to come in and try to define what it means to be a "Nintendo" game just so they can continue saying Nintendo only made one new IP in the last decade or some shit.
>>336844206
Pander to waifufags like they are doing in FE is bad and retarded, but this is supposed to be an already mature game from a grown up audience. Why censor this? TIf you don't like it they have aletrnate outfits anyways.
Defening Nintendo on this is defending them to take out your right to choose.
>>336848796
I'm gonna guess that baiter thinks all puzzle games are mobile shit.
Steel Diver was questionable though. The learning curve is steep and it doesn't have very much content for the $40 price tag on release. Had it started as a $10-15 eShop game it probably would have done much better.
Sub Wars took out much of what the first game was in favor of greatly expanding the first person minigame into a multiplayer game and was reviewed more generously likely because it could be played for free.
>>336849078
Every time, there's always that one fag who brings up a bunch of irrelevant games to prop up a company for seemingly no gain.
Why don't you take Nintendo's cock out of your ass? I promise you, you'll sit much more comfortably.
>>336848489
Man I love pokemon and it's one of the biggest reason why I still buy Nintendo handhelds but it doesn't really compute the amount of time they spend developing games and how short they end up being. I usually just smash through their games over the weekend because they're so good but I wish they were somehow longer.
I believe the original red and yellow titles took me weeks to beat as a kid but I could not be remembering correctly
>>336848796
If you think Splatoon is good you probably never played any competitive PC multiplayer before.
>>336819531
Here's the thing;
Nintendo don't give a fuck what anyone thinks.
There will always be kids taking their first steps into video games and the likelihood is that it will be a Nintendo console of some kind.
Nintendo also have their die-hard fans.
Nintendo will ALWAYS bank.
This fallacy that Nintendo are somehow fucked, or doomed to fail, or will be relegated to 3rd party publishing is utter fucking nonsense.
>>336849072
Pls no. That would be a disaster. Especially with the strictly linear formula Pokemon needs.
I just want to know what the fuck the NX is already, so that I can decide if I have any further interest in this company
And I just know they're going to keep quiet about it until it's time for advertisements to start. They don't want to give the media a chance to make their own spin on the device
>>336849493
>There will always be kids taking their first steps into video games and the likelihood is that it will be a Nintendo console of some kind.
>implying tablets aren't taking over that market as we speak
They cost less than a console and you likely wont have to spend any money for games they want to play, and can be used for other things more easily.
>>336849354
They spend a huge amount of time on making sprites and models. There's higher hopes for Sun and Moon if they intend to keep with the same models from XY though.
>>336849565
>strictly linear formula Pokemon needs?
The fuck? What needs to be linear about Pokemon exactly?
>>336849346
>brings up a bunch of irrelevant games to prop up a company for seemingly no gain.
Says the guy that came out of nowhere to talk about how great Sony is for no reason.
>>336849668
>And I just know they're going to keep quiet about it until it's time for advertisements to start. They don't want to give the media a chance to make their own spin on the device
Is that wrong?
>>336849461
I used to play Quake and Doom multiplayerand even Return to Castle Wolfenstein multiplayerall the time, squiddo. Splatoon is literally the only good shooter released since the original TF2.
RIP TF2, 2007 - 2010
Well its really a mix of both branding and their approach to the modern industry.
Nintendo still has the family friendly brand that it's had since the NES and while they have made mature games they still can't shake the old branding off or choose not to. Look at the alterations to FE Fates and #FE, if they were published by almost any other company they would stay the same content wise. If Nintendo wants to be relevant they need to have a product that can compete with Sony and Microsoft and give consumers a valid reason to choose them over the competition. One of those steps must be to finally fix 3rd party ties and provide a development environment that is welcoming to developers of any size. Most buyers are buying consoles for two things, a media system (BDs, Netflix, CR) and for easily accessible games most notably sports games. Unless Nintendo could somehow get licenses for legit sports games (which would possibly look worse if this theoretically did happen) Nintendo needs to play ball for once if they want to survive, especially if Microsoft leaves after the Xbox One and focuses solely on W10.
Honestly if recent events are to say, this won't happen and Nintendo and Jap companies will go handheld/mobile only
>>336849072
Only if Monolith rolled back some of the retarded additions/changes in Gen 6.
Fucking Fairy type garbage. That's why I dropped Pokemon and my hype levels for Sun and Moon are so low I'm expecting more out of fucking Color Splash.
>>336849461
Splatoon is not a bad game. It has a ton of content for what it is, and it's competently made. The fact they keep supporting the game more, also helps it in it's eyes.
>>336849461
Do you seriously think Splatoon is supposed to be taken as competetively as something as CSGO? It's a fun arcade/arena shooter not meant to be taken to an esports level.
>>336849493
>There will always be kids taking their first steps into video games and the likelihood is that it will be a Nintendo console of some kind.
Nope, the likelihood is that it will be a mobile device. Consoles are dying, and the handheld market is being almost entirely cannibalized by mobile. Kids aren't growing up with Nintendo anymore which is why they're becoming irrelevant. Their only fans are aging and dying off, or flat out leaving them amid anti-consumer decisions.
>Nintendo also have their die-hard fans.
A dwindling demographic.
>Nintendo will ALWAYS bank.
Oh look, it's one of those "they can hemorrhage money for 50 years and still be afloat" idiots
>This fallacy that Nintendo are somehow fucked, or doomed to fail, or will be relegated to 3rd party publishing is utter fucking nonsense.
It's very possible that they could be forced out of the hardware industry. How is it nonsense? Just because you're completely ignorant of the facts, are hiding your head in the sand and whistling all's well? News flash: 3DS and Wii U are Nintendo's worst selling handheld and console respectively. They have lost 80% of their market share in a single generation. 4 out of 5 people who bought a Wii/DS did not come back for more. Can you guess what happens if the same thing happens again?
>>336850039
>tfw Splatoon is getting stronger competitive support from Nintendo than Smash
>>336849945
>fairy type is the problem with gen 6
fuck off, its mega's, removal of features such as difficulty selection from previous gens, and a lack of post game thats a problem
Branding is a reflection of what you produce more than anything else.
The simple fact is that Nintendo first party titles don't appeal to the mass market outside of Japan. People feel games have moved on, and that while platformers still have their place, games can do other things.
The ultimate death blow to Nintendo will be VR. They have absolutely no real way to leverage a VR system in the first place because they don't have titles and franchises that can fit into the VR context (stuff like Elder Scrolls, Fallout, FPS stuff etc), since everything they offer is detached third person view with the exception of some Metroid games.
>>336849756
The leveling and basic order of things are meant to be played according to story.
>>336850194
All those are huge problems too, but megas can overall be good for the game if checked and balanced. It gives GF ways to make Pokemon like Charizard, Blastoise, Feraligatr, Pidgeot, and etc relevant again without going full retard and giving them unique special snowflake shit like they keep doing with Pikachu.
They just need to chill out with making megas for already strong Pokemon or Pokemon with more room for evolution. Keep it tame and make it more of a temporary evolution than a Digimon evolution.
>>336850163
>implying anything Nintendo does for their esports scene matters
>>336850136
>It's very possible that they could be forced out of the hardware industry. How is it nonsense? Just because you're completely ignorant of the facts, are hiding your head in the sand and whistling all's well?
Most people buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games.
Nintendo always sell their hardware at a profit.
Just because they're lagging in the market doesn't mean they're not making money. They always will.
>>336850434
I just wish they wern'toverdesignedas fuck. Some of them just look awful. Also It kinda kills the concept of getting new evos for pokemon that actually need them, and gamefreak is being really stupid with who to give them too.
The moment Apple decide to make their own proprietary gaming peripheral for the iPhone market, it's over for Nintendo in the handheld space.
Everything has been building up to this, Apple prioritizing the game section of the App Store for example is one small part of this strategy because a larger and larger portion of their App Store revenue comes from games.
When Apple does it, Google will follow (Google are actually planning a big hardware push, with their own physical retail outlets similar to the "showrooms" of Apple - I spoke to a senior marketing consultant who works with them on stuff a while ago about this).
The reason I see this as being the end for Nintendo is because 1) the level of market penetration of increasingly large phablet smartphones and 2) the sheer amount of low-hanging fruit Google/Apple can deal with to bolster an already huge market - The lack of a proprietary gaming peripheral is only part of this, the lack of discoverability on the App Store is another part.
tl;dr, when Apple/Google decide to take gaming seriously, Nintendo are fucked.
>>336850434
Megas for strong Pokemon are fine when they aren't straight upgrades.
Mega Garchomp was okay because it became a wall breaker.
On the other hand, Mega Salamence was retarded and only put in for shits and giggles to see how players would handle it. That is literally the reason Game Freak gave ignoring the shits and giggles part.
1.- Retire Miyamoto he already fucked up Paper Mario and Star Fox
2.- Go third party, release Zelda, Splatoon, Smash and Mario for PC and PS4, release Fire Emblem and other JRPGS for PS4
3.- Keep funding Platinum.
4.- Put Pokemon on phones.
There you go. Nintendo is now the EA of Japan.
>>336850776
What kkng of gaming peripheral would do that?
![Pokemon-Mega_Charizard_Y_Official_Art_300dpi[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1ac8vMC.jpg "Pokemon-Mega Charizard Y Official Art 300dpi[1]")
>>336850637
That's my problem, too. It's why I want them to be more like "evolutions" than Digimon. Charizard Y was fine. It looked similar enough that it was recognizable as Charizard, it didn't go overboard with looking "cool", and the extra boost in power it got was just enough to make it relevant, but not completely broken. More things like this would be better.
>>336850906
Mega Garchomp is actually worse than regular Garchomp, oddly enough. I don't think the Chomp needed an evolution in the first place, since it was already so broken strong that Fairies had barely any impact on it, but whatever.
Too bad the rest of the Dragons weren't so lucky. RIP Salamence, Haxorus, Druddigon, Flygon, and Kingdra. Killed by the literal MLP type.
>>336851029
>2.- Go third party,
>3.- Keep funding Platinum.
Going third party would just lead to them losing a lot of resources and downsizing
>>336851278
They're already running a lot of their third party ops at a technical loss.
You know what would be a huge start? Virtual Console cross buy.
>>336851278
Which makes sense because all their talent is on the software development right now, they could re-group and start selling games to two platforms that have a lot of installed audiences but lack games. I'm sure their fans already own a PC or a PS4 so they can buy them there and keep profiting.
Nintendo has lost three console generations already. I mean if they want to keep trying to compete with Sony and Microsoft fine, they will most likely die doing that. The Wii and the DS where a massive success, the DS was perhaps their best platform since the SNES but both markets are dead.
Sega and Atari died and we moved on.
>>336851589
https://youtu.be/eW14P1xOz58?t=9m
9 minutes exactly in
>>336851734
>Nintendo has lost three console generations already. I mean if they want to keep trying to compete with Sony and Microsoft fine, they will most likely die doing that.
N64, GCN and Wii U?
>>336819531
they dont sell cause they dont have third party support. they dont have third party support cause its a pain to modify a game for nintendo's console.
>>336850559
They had 3 years in a row of operating loss for 2011, 12 and 13 which they will not even fully wipe out this year
>>336851901
Well obviously, but back then they could make games faster to fill the gaps between game releases also the N64 had rare and the GC had Capcom although their seven exclusives ended on the PS2. The Wii U in the other hand sold bad and the games took forever to be made.
Nintendo was in a bad state before the DS and Wii were released, those two make them a wealthy company but that money will end at some point.
>>336852201
>The Wii U in the other hand sold bad and the games took forever to be made.
Well HD Development combined with making 3DS games proved time consuming. But now they have more experience with HD development, so they should be able to get things out faster in comparison now.
>>336852390
Experience doesn't fix anything. HD games simply take more time to be made.
The problem with Nintendo is they don't have enough people dedicated to shitposting Sony and Microsoft, especially in those early years of a console, where there are game droughts and all their audience can do is play launch titles and backwards compatible games.
Instead, they need to launch a console with literally NO games, NO backwards compatibility, and mandatory subscription fees with no refunds, to hook in even the accidental buyers with buyers' remorse, and whip those already committed of their fanbase into a violent froth over how anything on the Playstation or Xbox is "censorship," "anti-feminist", "anti-gay", "pro-Trump" or whatever the social issue is at the time. Then set those fans loose on the facebooktwitters defending them to kill Playstation and Xbox consoles and shame-to-suicide playstation and xbox fans over social media.
Then Nintendo can take all the time they want to release whatever games. Since their fanbase is already committed via their wallets, the longer they take, the more money they get for less game content, and every precious drop of game titles they release will be seen as pure gold by the gaming audience and the media they can now afford to pay for high review scores. If a game doesn't sell well, Nintendo can just push it out for free, and hey, suddenly 50 million "sales" have been made! Time to put out a press release full of numbers!
>>336823058
>voice acting
Fuck no
>>336852629
Yes it does. That's like saying the experience many developers gained while transitioning from 2D to 3D wasn't useful at all.
>>336850223
Pokemon would sell like hotcakes if it was in VR.
>>336852830
Nigger it takes at least one year and a half to make a game that reuses assets like asscreed, dark souls or cod. It takes even longer if you start fresh like MGSV.
Not saying experience isn't useful but that doesn't mean they will make their games faster.
>Get a gamecube, play mostly Smash, Double Dash, and Phantasy Star Online. Nothing else was 'great' or enjoyable for me.
>Get a Wii, play mostly Wii Sports and Smash. Bad graphics, shovelware, mediocre implementation of the wiimote and terrible online play really burn me out on the console.
>Look at Wii U titles that might sell me on the system: Fucking nothing.
People keep saying that Nintendo needs to just make Mario, or Metroid, or Star Fox, or whatever other first party title good again and a console will work. I just can't find any fucking truth to that because at best all you're doing is getting back the people who bought and liked those series.
If you want to expand Nintendo's console sales they need to have more than fucking Nintendo-esque titles. Yeah, I get it they put out Bayo2, W101, and Monster Hunter something or other on WiiU. They're all wacky games with lots of color variety and violence that requires you to hit your opponent many times with mostly melee options.
I feel like there's fucking nothing there for me, and when there was during the Wii's days those games were always horribly hampered by low end hardware, the wiimotes, or being completely different from the other versions to the point where it was obvious that the budget was smaller because it was only going out to 1 console.
I was considering a PS4 or Xbone as a companion to my PC before the PS4.5 rumors just because they had non first party titles that seemed to be a good quality and ran in a multitude of different genres. I could go and get DaS3 or Bloodborne, Nioh is also getting geared up for release, I could get the Rachet and Clank Reboot, if I wanted a monster hunter clone I have Toukiden coming up, I've been wanting a coop twin stick shooter recently and Alienation is exclusive to the PS4, Forza and Gran Tourismo both are fun.
I still probably won't get either anytime soon, but I at least considered them because all games aren't defined by what the 1st party titles do.
>>336852682
>because paying less than 50 dollars a year makes you a slave to a corporation
>>336853240
Well if experience is useful then what is it useful for? Because apparently to you it isn't useful for efficiency.
>>336853301
Mario, DK, Kirby and Yoshi are platformers.
Metroid and Splatoon are shooters
FZero and Mario Kart are racing games
Kid Icarus was rebuilt into a rail shooter and hack and slash
Smash is a party fighting game
Animal Crossing is a life sim
Pikmin is a easy going RTS
Fire Emblem is a STRG
Xenoblade is their FF killer.
Paper Mario and Mario super star Saga are classic JRPGs
Zelda and Luigi's Massion are adventure games
Star Fox is a rail shooter.
They have variety the problem is they don't improve them.
>>336853301
I get where you're coming from in that they need to expand beyond merely being providers of standard Nintendo series but man I really have to wonder what it is you do like if you consider those the only good titles on the past few Nintendo consoles.
>>336850776
And what game will sell their platform? Casuals only want cheap $1 application, because most apps on these stores are irredeemably shit.
It's honestly like comparing flash games with handheld ones and saying that flash games being free, no one will ever buy handheld/console games anymore.
If Apple and Google don't have any killer app, the audience will remain marginal and their stores will remain plagued with shit.
>>336819531
I just don't know anymore. I think Nintendo needs, in no particular order:
FIFA/sports games. Once PS4 was established as the dudebro console of choice, (one of) the top-selling game(s) became FIFA because euros will buy a console solely for that. However, since EA likes to play hardball, Mario Soccer will probably work as a substitute, provided it is:
Marketed. Splatoon proved if Nintendo markets their games, they can sell well. The only new IP people know of is Splatoon, no one knows Pusmmo, Codename STEAM, or any of those other games, they're doomed to be forgotten in obscurity. Marketing their games would help them immensely.
Gimmick second mentality. Don't design a controller around a gimmick. Make a controller, then if there is some divine compulsory need to add a gimmick, do it after, and make sure it isn't obtrusive. 3D was not obtrusive on the 3DS because it could be turned off at any time with no negative consequences.
Repair relations. Treehouse has stirred up a lot of controversy. Fire them all and start anew. People want to buy weebshit for the animu titties, and if those animu titties are censored people will not buy it. Telling people to 'expand their horizons and buy TMS:#FE' is laughable and will not net you more sales, even if you cut as much bothersome content as possible to try and appeal to those people. When you start to put NISA in a good light, you have fucked up immensely, and there is nothing you can do besides a total restart to repair that.
Amiibos. As of now, they're trying to straddle the line between them not being a 'physical DLC', and instead being a 'game enhancer', but not mandatory. Pick one or the other. Make them physical DLC, and make sure that characters are interchangeable, so my yarn yoshi will net me the same benefits as regular yoshi, or make them collectors items that barely interact with the games. Ex, free 1-Ups in Mario. Do not go the Kirby Robobot route and lock copy abilities behind amiibos.
>>336854610
You don't need games to sell a console. PS4 proved that.
>>336844840
Because they've said so.
>>336847692
>Nintendo made 1 new ip this gen, Sony made like fucking 20
Could you give the list of these 20 new IPs that Sony first party studios have made? I'm actually curious. Most exclusives on PS are third party and published by Sony.
>>336819531
they need a good marketing campaign
here nintendo this one's on the house you're fucking welcome
>>336847398
Too bad. I want niche Japanese games like that panty camera one and Sony refuses. I want it now, too.
>>336855035
He might be talking about the Vita. You know, that one handheld that might have been mentioned occasionally in a passing sentence? Sometimes jokingly referred to as the 3DS competitor? There were a couple of shallow app-store tier games Sony made for that.Fucking hell Sony I just wanted a handheld with decent resolution and you bury it in the deepest grave you can dig then fill it with cement.
>>336847398
What if instead Nintendo made a console that could compete with the rest and that got all the third parties as well as their first party franchises?
I mean it's about as likely as them suddenly going third party.
I bet everyone would have loved the Wii U gamepad if it had an HD screen, if wasn't as large, and if it came with the large battery.
Maybe also if there was a cheap Super 3DS adapter for the Wii U that allowed people to play 3DS games between the tv and gamepad.
>>336854748
someone pls respond I worked hard on this unreadable mass of text.
>>336854748
Based on all the AC amiibos clogging up stores, I think Nintendo will retire them in a year unless they're working on some Skylanders sort of game to go with them.
>>336855937
Smash 5X will require the amiibos to unlock the characters. Suddenly amiibos are in hot demand. yay or nay?
>>336855085
Switch the niggers and the girls and it'll be correct.
They lost their core with the wii, then lost the casual market as they got bored and moved on to apple. Now they are doing this half assed attempt to appease core gamers and casuals by bringing back old franchises and stuffing them with gimmicks.
This appeases no one and just ruins their reputation even more.
Would you say that Nintendo is the most anti-consumer of the big 3? I would. Their refusal to lower their game prices is my biggest gripe with them. The arrogance these fucks have makes me glad the NX is gonna do terribly.
>>336856125
People would shit on the game if that were the case because it would become ludicrously expensive and you'd have to buy the newest version of any amiibo if you want to unlock anything.
Amiibos would sell better if they were alternatives for buying DLC. You could buy the DLC separately or you could buy a little figure and get the DLC along with it.
>>336856695
>Their refusal to lower their game prices is my biggest gripe with them.
More are definitely coming. And they have sales on the Eshop a lot more now compared to before.
>>336854758
The sales of the PS4 is the result of marketing and how people were lead to make a choice between 2 similar platforms, with one less shitty than the other. If MS hadn't shat the bed we would have something like 30M/30M for the Xb1 and the PS4.
Now I don't think that Google nor Apple know enough shit about games to the point they create a hype train about those 2 platforms. Casuals wouldn't be interested in anything but playing their shitty F2P apps while actual players wouldn't give a shit.
They would absolutely need apps.
whats wrong with amiibos? imo yearly mandatory multiplayer subscriptions are way worse then being locked out a skin for mario
>>336819531
>PS and PS2
>gimmicks
how to spot a nintendrone
>>336857321
Most of it basically on-disk DLC, which makes it an impossible line to walk: if they only do small things that don't matter then why buy them? If they do big things that make them worth it, then it feels like a ripoff.
Probably best use they've come up with for them is "free"-to-play games that require them, but all Nintendo's done with that idea is that Animal Crossing board game no one likes.
>>336857004
>wait 5 years for a price drop on games we decide to drop in price
vs
>this game came out 6 months ago. you can now get it for $30. wait a little longer and it'll be cheaper
Yep, totally the same thing.
>>336843128
go play your all those new games of yours then Sonygger
>>336841871
Can you have a source for all your claims?
and
>opinions
>>336857892
You said they never did price drops. Not that they took a while to do price drops.
>>336853794
>They have variety the problem is they don't improve them.
No, that is variety in number of genres. You just did exactly what everyone who owns a Nintendo console did. I do not see what you posted as enough variety or value to me, an outsider, to sell a system.
Most of those either rely on the similar cartoony/anime art styles, light hearted stories, or are casual entries in their genres from a prospective gameplay standpoint. That is the "Brown and Bloom" of Nintendo's larger titles, especially the first party ones.
Here are series which look visually similar to me.
>Star Fox, Mario (including sub-character spin-off games such as Yoshi), Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, a couple of the Zelda games, Smash (for obvious reasons).
You could debatably throw more things in there, but at that point I think it gets too broad. Now, lets group up games that are generally are considered to be more casual in their respective genres from that list that I know of with my limited Nintendo experience.
>Mario Kart, Splatoon, Mario Super Star Saga, Paper Mario, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Smash, non-mario maker Mario platformers.
What I see is a bunch of series that are similar to one another and even explicitly intertwined in games like smash with little visual aesthetic clash. And you know what, I could be wrong. But through the marketing and discussions I have heard I do not see variety in the list you provided outside of F-Zero, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade and Splatoon.
Even then, some of these titles I do not care about (F-Zero, Metroid) and others have competitors that I consider better overall on other platforms (Fire Emblem, Splatoon). So, when a console does come out I am left with 1-3 games to sway me that are unlikely to be released together at launch, and may not be up to par with other competing titles.
>>336854201
I like a lot, but Nintendo doesn't have what I want and character limits exist.
>>336819531
Let's talk turkey..
Nintendo is irrelevant and they need to prove themselves in this era of gaming
>>336857670
And yet it is the closest thing to official merchandising that we ever had. Owning one or two nintendo figures is not that revolting I think. Sure they are little glorified happy meal toys, but the finition is not that bad.
I think their current statu quo is the best for their figures. Cosmetic content not meaningful for the gameplay nor the actual game content is just what it needs to be. Nothing less, nothing more.
>>336857670
i agree but most people that i have seen only buy them to collect them
>>336825695
The Prime series has always been slow as shit. The only thing good about that series was the exploration and immersion, other than that the Metroid Prime series have always been boring and slow. Nintendo needs to wake up and make Metroid: Dread already. It's been 14 years, can they stop fooling around with all these stupid directions with Metroid and just make a 2D game that takes place after Fusion?
>>336858491
>1994 was 14 years ago
whoa...
>>336858161
You're arguing semantics you fuck. You know damn well what I meant.
>>336858583
2016-2002 bro
>>336858665
No. You said they never did price drops. That was what you explicitly said. Say what you mean, and that's it.
>>336858491
The last 2D Metroid they made was one of the most shameful things Nintendo's ever produced.
Looks like they're trying almost as hard to fuck up the Prime series with Federation Force, too.
>>336858665
Obi-Wan Kenobi: [realizing that Anakin is consumed by evil and there's no reasoning with him anymore] Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
[draws his lightsaber]
>>336857321
I have a lot of amiibo, but the problems I see are:
>uncertainty of what they'll unlock
I bought the Pikachu amiibo early on, and I've only used it in Sm4sh and Mario Maker because it has unlocked nothing unique in everything else and even then the Mario Maker costume is unlockable in-game.
Meanwhile, Link gives me a weapon in Hyrule Warriors, a jet in Ace Combat, a unique Yoshi skin in Wooly World, a unique skin in Mario Kart 8, etc.
>availability
You want to use Lucina in Codename Steam? Well I hope you preordered one in the initial shipment or live in Japan because now you have to pay a premium if you want to get her.
The availability for other amiibo got better later on, but who knows when Nintendo will decide to undership again or if something you want in a game requires an out of print amiibo?
>newer versions of amiibo a year later that unlock other, arguably better things
Kirby Planet Robobot requires the new versions of the Kirby, Metaknight, and Dedede amiibo to access the UFO, the MK skin, and DDD skin for Kirby.
Mario Maker requires the 8 bit Mario amiibo for the big 8 bit mushroom.
Twilight Princess HD requires Wolf Link for that gauntlet dungeon.
It's like buying a season pass without knowing what you'll get, but if you wait to see it might be gone and a year later they introduce a 1.1 version of the pass that is required if you want to X in new game. You're 1.0 season pass isn't good enough anymore and you can't opt to just get that little extra. You have to pay for the whole pass again.
maybe
maybe guys
guys maybe
maybe the games aren't that good any more
>>336858710
Oh don't give me that bullshit, we all know you fucks have been whinging and begging for Super Metroid 2 for the last 22 years. Fusion is regarded as vastly inferior, and some would say even started to ruin Samus' character, being the gateway to Other M. Guess what? After 22 years, the series is dead. There is no hope left. Give up already. No one but your desperate hundred or so even care anymore. If Super Metroid 2 were to release tomorrow, it wouldn't even sell quadruple digits. Nintendo can't afford wasting resources catering to your delusional hivemind.
>>336819531
finally OP wasnt a faggot (couldnt resist that one sorry).
Yeah, Nintendo has a fair share of problems and I might add lack of 3rd party as a consequence of the current branding - in that case it's difficult to see if were the differences in hardware that pushed away devs or devs werent attrachted to big N because they "cant get" Nintendo - honestly who does nowadays?
Hardware sales are ok but software is where the money is: games arent just codes in a machine they're the embodiment of the idea of fun and mastery of a specific type of skills etc
(I play Mario when I want a challenging plataformer, I play candy crush when i'm on a bus stop fighting boredom).
Rebranding is essencial. But it can only succed with an agressive plan regarding South AMerica and places like India and China, besides Australia. You know, the places they left to dust since forever.
It fucking pisses me off since there's a fuckton of potencial going to waste here.
did you know that the expression "get a nintendo" means get a console (any console) to this day in many parts of Brazil? And I'm just talking the 2nd (or 1st I dunno I'm on my meds) largest market in LA.
seriously Nintendo if any of you lurk here go do your fucking jobs.
or hire me at skype lol
>>336858265
I get where you're coming from with the casual thing, but I don't think you'll be winning anyone over by saying all the games are cartoony.
I mean, yeah, I'd prefer if they branched out and tried something less bright, but ultimately that sort of thing doesn't matter as much as the game itself.
>>336858491
METROID DOESN'T SELL
>METROID DOESN'T SELL
METROID DOESN'T SELL
>METROID DOESN'T SELL
METROID DOESN'T SELL
>METROID DOESN'T SELL
METROID DOESN'T SELL
>METROID DOESN'T SELL
METROID DOESN'T SELL
How can it be clearer than that? The average /v/-shitter can't about anything but F-Zero and Metroid, while knowing perfectly that
>These series don't sell
>The legacy and the nostalgia will crush potential sequels because people want the same things but not exactly the same things
>The casuals don't give a fuck about those games.
FE barely made it alive with Awakening, what do you think will happen if the next Metroid or F-zero shit the bed in the sale charts?
>>336859001
I would argue, as a whole, they aren't.
I mean what was the last truly spectacular Nintendo game that made you say "wow:?
I think they've gone, overall, from producing some of the most consistently high quality games, to just making okay to "solid" ones across the board.
Super Mario Galacy "wow'd" me. 3D World was just sort of there.
>>336859001
The new Kirby game this year is confirmed to be ridiculously good from those who played it and one of the best in the series.
>>336859289
Kirby has always been an anomaly.
>>336859098
>Super Metroid 2
Nintendo couldn't even do this right I rather have a Metroid game the is a step above Fusion since I already know that it's too hard for them to make Metroid games as good as the first three. IDK or give a shit about the other Metroid fans or they're thinking or wanting but my expectations are already low, so I really don't know where you getting I want a Super Metroid 2 from. If you're that delusional to believe Nintendo can make games as good as their NES-SNES era games then you need to be mentally checked. I just want a sequel to Fusion, that's all.
>>336859241
>I mean what was the last truly spectacular Nintendo game that made you say "wow:?
Splatoon, Wonderful 101, Kid Icarus Uprising.
>>336859593
please
>>336859740
I can maybe understand Splatoon, but Wonderful 101 and Kid Icarus Uprising are jam packed with so much stuff, and ridiculous over the top moments, to say they don't have anything memorable is a bit too hard.
>>336859098
Why is it that people do not like fusion?
>>336858491
Problem is the dumbass way Nintendo manages their series. 2D Metroid is completely at the whims of Sakamoto, and after his last Metroid game turned out to be total trash that everyone shat on, he just pulled away from it and decided to only make nonsense like Tomodachi Life. A smarter company would have replaced his ass the moment they realized he was incompetent but Nintendo still has him in charge because of seniority, and as long as he doesn't want to do it, it won't get done.
>>336859236
Metroid sells about as well or better than Kirby does, and Kirby typically gets a much bigger push from Nintendo. I feel confident that Metroid could be very successful if Nintendo pulled their collective heads out of their asses and marketed it properly. I imagine a faster-pace, more action packed Prime game with a lot of advertising could make a big splash.
>>336829360
I find amusing that for a short while they were all like "yeah we're entering the business of quality of life" and shortly after they just noped the fuck out of there. Good thing too.
>>336859993
>he just pulled away from it and decided to only make nonsense like Tomodachi Life. A smarter company would have replaced his ass the moment they realized he was incompetent but Nintendo still has him in charge because of seniority, and as long as he doesn't want to do it, it won't get done.
Not him but Tomadachi Life sold well. From a financial point of view, that ended up being the better move for them overall.
>>336859241
On 3DS, probably Kid Icarus Uprising. That set the bar really fucking high for other 3DS games.
On Wii U, probably Xenoblade Chronicles X or Mario Maker. XCX has a fantastic world to explore, and Mario Maker just has so many nice little touches to its design. I just wish there wasn't so much garbage user content in Mario Maker, but that's not really Nintendo's fault.
>>336860207
>I just wish there wasn't so much garbage user content in Mario Maker, but that's not really Nintendo's fault.
They could have had better ways of finding good stages, I do think you can blame them for that.
>>336859236
This
exactly why sony wont bring back parappa the rapper or ape escape
>>336859991
Precursor to Other M. More narrative driven plot, hand holding (to the point of being directly told what to do). I mean it was fine for what it was- a handheld Metroid that tried something a little different, but Other M took the concept and ran.
>>336859174
I simply don't know how else to describe it in the succinct manner that /v/ loves so much.
"Bright colors with high contrast and simplistic, stylized 3D geometric models supplemented with a deliberately contrasting mixture of low and high detail textures with occasional effects derived from hand drawn art during actions such as jumping on an enemy, blocking their attack, or smashing them off screen" doesn't really roll of the tongue.
And I don't know if it still applies but back in the days of the Wii you could have added "with unlikely odds for multiplayer modes and terrible limitations pout on players if implemented".
I'm surprised they haven't tried to do more experimental things while using similar skill ceilings and art styles/characters. I mean an RTS is a given for the WiiU, but a MOBA would actually be an assured high quality MOBA that would rake them in tons of money if they set it up right.
>F2P MOBA with weekly rotation, characters earned over time.
>Tons of characters with decades of recognition.
>An Amiibo system already in place that would let you instant unlock a character and alternate costumes.
>Gamepad if you want touch based controls a la LoL or DoTA, alternatively go the Smite or Paragon route and use normal controller options with TPS camera.
>Can say that there is "no cash shop" while propping up the Amiibo market.
>>336825398
Holy fuck, are all Nintencucks this stupid? Did you just reply to a post with zero reading comprehension with lack of reading comprehension of your own? No wonder Sony is winning. Nintendo's fanbase has an extra chromosome.
>>336860354
So people just don't like because it has a plot and the guidance by Adam? That's a fairly irrational thing to shun it for.
>>336860323
They have a website for that, but 100 Mario gets stages randomly.
>>336859993
The thing is IDK know if he is fully done with Metroid, this is what he said last time.
Sakamoto: " I do not intend to do so. There might [currently] be various tasks I might be involved in with past series. However, even if so I would always like to introduce new entertainment and new fun to those series."
Sakamoto: "I would like to satisfy fans of those series"
Sakamoto: "This might be indirect, but if we can make new types of gamers enjoy video games for the first time through Tomodachi Life, then they might eventually become interested in the more conventional games."
Sounds more like he is trying to build up a fanbase before returning to games like Metroid.
>>336860752
>because it has a plot
>irrational
its a video GAME
A GAME
the plot overtook the GAMEplay
>>336860752
Metroid, up to that point, was driven by player exploration. Fusion literally told you where to go, and placed markers on your map.
You can make the argument that it was the antithesis of what was appealing about the franchise.
I still enjoyed it though for what it was, and I think it innovated in a lot of ways. Its dialog was far less corny and overwrought, possibly thankfully due to the limitations of the GBA, which could have stilted Sakamoto.
There were also, weirdly, some of the finest "horror" elements I've seen in a portable game. SA-X worked as being an intimidating threat.
>>336860896
How? It played and controlled just like any other 2D metroid, maybe even better than Super.
>>336860752
You just ignored huge chunks of his post and boiled down the rest to make it sound irrational.
Fusion was okay but after Other M it's easy to see it as the beginning of the end. The linearity, the plot focus and unnecessary monologues, the less interesting setting, the handholding... There's a reason it was the original black sheep.
>>336861127
Get that bait outta here
>>336860752
They hate it for not being like Metroid or Super Metroid although it's sort of similar to Metroid II with a linear design and a looping map for almost every area. Mechanically, Fusion is great. It makes some cumbersome things from Super better (wall jumps and space jump) and is more difficult because enemies actually hit hard.
It's like if people would have hated Super Mario World for being like SMB2 (USA) instead of like SMB3.
>>336861232
I would argue that even Metroid II did better with its linearity. Metroid II had large environments to explore, didn't tell you where the Metroids were located and you had to find where the lava within the planet sank in order to continue deeper within SR-388.
>>336861182
Are you actually implying I'm wrong? The game controls well, I wouldn't say as well as ZM, but certainly better than Super.
>>336861232
well anon the only enemy picking up mechanics in world were the yoshis, whereas 3's speed mechanics played a major role in the gameplay
joke if you want, but it could have been in a similar situation, especially if it wasn't included with the console
>Consoles
>Brand
No, anon. It's not about branding either, the problem here, the one that most people are ignoring right now, is the reason why Nintendo exists, GAMES. The problem was never the console or the branding, it was the games.
The gamecube wasn't as successful as the PlayStation or the Xbox but it was because Sony and Microsoft have always had the best games. Yes, Nintendo has good games and all, the Wii had good games as well, but not as many as Microsoft or Sony, simply because they've been focusing on Mario and Zelda pratically their whole lives. Again, yes, Mario games are good, Zelda games are good as well, but most people certanly don't buy a console to play one or two games. That's the difference between Nintendo and the others. Imagine a Nintendo console that accepts other games that are popular, that would take them high. And what's more, the game studios that make this popular big videogames don't even consider Nintendo when they want their game to be multiplatform. Now the Wii U has Black Ops 2 and some other popular games but it's too late, they have been left behind by the others and the only solution is to re-invent the company's idea of the games they sell and even contact with these game studios that make popular videogames, instead of making Mario shit left to right expecting for people to buy the new Super Smash Bro's.
>>336861570
I meant it as if SMW had been designed to be like SMB2, not as it actually is.
>>336861776
Your whole post seem to imply Mario and Zelda are the only game series they make.
>>336861127
It controls better, but controls are hardly the whole thing. People liked the older Metroids for the way their worlds were built and the way you progress through that world. Fusion dropped both of those in favor of something most people thought wasn't as good because it gave them less agency as a player.
>>336861956
The only ones they really focus on.
>>336819531
Daily reminder that they will have ONE FUCKING GAME FOR NX AT E3
FUCKING ONE
>>336824609
>>336823517
Shoulda been /thread with these. Modern Nintendo games are shallow, unimpressive, and simply do not move genres forward like they used to. Their over reliance on motion controls and touch garbage has sunk them. I dont think no amount of bailing out will wright the ship again either.
Nintendo could do better if they actually did different stuff than what they usually do. More games like W101 are what they need to push instead of rehashing the same shit over and over again.
They also need to jump on the online multiplayer train in a big way and not pussyfoot around it to protect the precious children. Look at the online for Sm4sh; thry could've done so much more but it's complete fucking garbage in its limitations. Whoever invented friend codes needs to be fired and have their children starve to death.
If they really want to make a console for everyone, then make it look like it can. The Wii U controller, for instance, really does look like a Fisher Price shitcan idea.
Whoever does their commercials needs to be fired too. Finally, it seriously needs party chat. I like splitscreen play, but not everyone is a little kid who still lives around them in a cul de sac.
>>336862070
http://www.videogamer.com/wiiu/splatoon/news/splatoon_has_mario_kart_8_size_marketing_campaign.html
Then Smash had that ballot where they let people vote on series.
>>336862275
*a character to be in.
>>336862002
But if the elements of world building in Fusion were not what most people wanted, why did it sell more than Super?
One line Iwata said makes me happy he is no longer in charge. When getting heat for their new changes: "Nintendo will never stop innovating"
We want GOOD games Nintendo, from the franchises that we know and love, not DIFFERENT for the sake of being different games.
>>336862861
New Super Mario Bros. U is good, but people shit on it for not being different enough.
>>336834020
the problem with Nintendo us that they have to rely almost exclusively on first party titles and this is due to their unique and recently underpowered consoles. Having their first party library along with all the other multiplat games that normies like would put them in a much stronger position.
>>336863638
This is the elephant in the room a lot of people seem to ignore.
People act like multiplats don't count, and that the PS4 and XBone don't have anything, but that's simply not true. You can buy the vast majority of all mainstream titles if you own either one of them, and that counts a lot for consumers.
>>336863475
No, people shit on it for having generic cosmpetics, linear levels and recycle 90% of the power ups, enemies and levels from previous games.
>>336862454
Sales and quality are pretty different things that don't often have much of a correlation.
Besides, Prime sold better then Fusion and it's style of world design was more in line with Super.
Nintendo just needs to stop trying to make different things because 90% of the time they just fail at it
We need new solid regular Metroid, Zelda and Mario, as well as doing what everyone always asks with Pokemon and Starfox
They need to listen to their audience more rather than pretend their audience is exclusively toddlers
>>336819531
I am firmly in the PC gaming camp, but if Nintendo release a half decent console, for standard console price, with actual quality games... I could well pick one up to mess around with in the living room.
I love quality hand-held games too, although we've only seen kiddie trash in the last decade.
I would love to see Nintendo return to form.
>>336864683
3D World was a solid regular Mario. It doesn't go nuts with any experimentation.
>>336864758
>I love quality hand-held games too, although we've only seen kiddie trash in the last decade.
The 3DS have a lot of games that aren't for a kid audience though. SMT, Monster Hunter, Ace Attorney, Zero Escape, Etrian Odyssey, etc.
>>336864786
No matter how hard you try to push your tastes, 3D World is shit and only very few like it.
>>336865016
Why is it shit?
>>336865016
But why? People act like it's some glitchy incompetently made game. Heck I prefer both Galaxies and SM64 over it, but that doesn't mean it's a bad game. It's clearly above the NSMB games in terms of effort, presentation, and creativity as well.
>>336864661
I wouldn't say that Prime's success was due to it's Super-like style of worldbuilding. It really is just a better game than Super despite what some nostalgic fanboys would have you believe.
>>336819531
>N64
>crushed
N64 won Gen 5, bra
>>336865117
>>336864183
>>336865163
>but that doesn't mean it's a bad game
While I agree it's not, it lacks of artistic reativity and innovation of 3D Marios we are used to. Nintendo should keep NSMB and 3D world out of their main consoles and keep them for their handhelds so we could have a real Mario.
>>336865318
>boring
>slow
>scanning to 100%
>Zelda puzzles
>shit combat
>better than any 2D Metroid game
Keep telling yourself that m8.
>>336865419
>Nintendo should keep NSMB and 3D world out of their main consoles and keep them for their handhelds so we could have a real Mario.
3D World was planned before 3D Land. They just made 3D Land to give the 3DS a game at the time. Also Galaxy 2 was a direct sequel to Galaxy 1 and borrows many things as well. Was that not a real Mario in that case as well?
>>336865419
That's "No True Scotsman" as fuck, and you know it. "REAL Mario game!!! ;~;"
I'm going to let you in on a secret: those "real" Mario games are anything but. SM64, while an excellent game, does not follow any principles from the original Mario games from the NES and SNES.
There's a lot of artistic creativity in 3D World, and even though it doesn't have some BRAND NEW FEATURE ONLY ON WII U GYROSCRAPE, that doesn't make it not a Mario game, or bad.
tl;dr, muh REAL mario
>>336864183
>linear levels in a Mario game
Just like every 2D Mario game.
>changing graphics
Literally the most basic form of change for the sake of change.
>recycling power ups and enemies
It's not like every 2D Mario game doesn't have Koopa Troopas, Koopa Paratroopas, Goombas, Bullet Bills, Lakitus, Spinies, and Buzzy Beetles unless we're taking about Super Mario USA. Just for you, I left out Piranha Plants and Hammer Bros. because they're technically not in SMW despite having similar enemies.
They also all have Mushrooms, Fire Flowers, and Super Stars, but it only matters now.
>>336865387
This.
It definitely did.
>>336865457
>boring
opinion
>slow
Coming from a Super fanboy this is hilarious.
>scanning to 100%
Optional. Also it has a lot of neat lore.
>Zelda puzzles
Why are they bad?
>shit combat
How?
>better than any 2D Metroid game
Correct.
>>336865419
>Nintendo should keep NSMB and 3D world out of their main consoles and keep them for their handhelds so we could have a real Mario.
The funny thing about this is that NSMB and 3D Land/World are closer to real Mario games than 64/Sunshine/Galaxy will ever be.
>in b4 a bunch of confused manchildren whose first Mario games were 64, Sunshine, or Galaxy
>>336819531
Can't do much because Playstation exist. No matter how hard they try the Playstation brand is still going to be there. Tough luck.
>>336841046
You could argue that he's getting one over on them, having what seems to be autonomy and a paycheck
>>336865882
>Just like every 2D Mario game
But is not a 2D Mario game, it's a 3D one. You should feel free to move whenever you want
>Literally the most basic form of change for the sake of change.
Which always was one of the main Mario formula (keep the mechanics while change the visuals) I repeat it again, it is not for the sake of change, it is part of the main Mario formula
>It's not like every 2D Mario game doesn't have Koopa Troopas, Koopa Paratroopas, Goombas..
Introducing new enemies helps the game to keep it interesting. Specially if they have different ways to attack you. Remember those footbal players in Mario world? Some of them will try to charge at you while others will jump to catch you off guard. Beating the same old enemies when you already know their weakness gets boring fast.
>>336866681
>Introducing new enemies helps the game to keep it interesting.
Not him but every NSMB games has introduced new enemies.
>>336866681
>But is not a 2D Mario game, it's a 3D one. You should feel free to move whenever you want
Only the graphics are 3D. The gameplay is 2D.
>Mainline Pokemon games release exclusively on handheld
>NX apparently intends to merge the gap between home and handheld
>Pokemon on a home console
And on that note alone, the NX has already secured more sales than the Wii U. Whether it'll actually be enough of a success to turn the tides for Nintendo is another matter entirely
>>336866948
Mainline Pokemon on an actual console be a big selling point for a lot of people. Pokemon is their second best selling series. Hell it can get console only Nintendo owners into it more.
>>336866183
>opinion
It really is when you have to stop and scan or have to deal with the slow movement uninteresting combat and stupid puzzles and terrible platforming.
>Coming from a Super fanboy this is hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3QUO91JlIg
Primefag
>Optional. Also it has a lot of neat lore.
Not really if you wanted that 100%
>Why are they bad?
They don't belong in Metroid
>How?
Enemies are not fun to fight
>Correct.
Wrong
I also forgot to add the retarded Artifact hunt at the end of the game.
>>336866896
>Only the graphics are 3D. The gameplay is 2D.
That's the point, nobody likes a 2D mario with 3D graphics in a main console instead of a 3D Mario. Also, that enemy looks even more retarded than the pokemon mains from X/Y
>>336819531
CAN they? Absolutely. Back in the 80's and early 90's NoA was seen as the baby-tier console maker of choice. Everything was safe. Everything was cartoon violence. SEGA allowed blood and violence. SEGA allowed sexiness. SEGA allowed religious themes.
Then: Mortal Kombat. Disregarding the tech differences between the Genesis & SNES games, the SNES version was heavily censored. No blood. Fatalities replaced. Mortal Kombat became Moral the Fighter. The Genesis version? With the input of an easy little code, its version was 100% uncensored.
Sales-wise AND reputation-wise, Nintendo was given a spanking with a shelleah.
Nintendo of America re-branded themselves. They eased-up on their "moral code", allowing for blood and violence "when removal of such would retract from the overall game" (which was just jargon to get around angry parents who viewed them as Disney). They begun a marketing blitz (Play it Loud). They did everything they could to make themselves look just as cool as SEGA had for the last 5 years.
It worked. Mortal Kombat II was hugely popular on the SNES. Sales went up. And while their sales may have been meh for 3rd party titles on their subsequent systems, they still made a decent profit with each hardware iteration.
Now we have the "Wii" and "Wii U". Systems that were marketed to old farts and babies because Sony & Microsoft had stolen the coolness factor from them, leaving NoA to go after the scraps. While there is a loud outcry from older fans as to Nintendo of America babifying their shit again, the shit sells.
The question is: Does NoA even WANT to rebrand themselves? The answer is no. They have their niche. It's profitable enough for them. Reggie doesn't give a fuck about gamers, he cares about the bottom line.
And as long as Nintentoddlers keep sucking his 2" cock, he'll keep seeping seminal fluid down their collective throats.
>>336849461
this is a bad post
>>336867220
>That's the point, nobody likes a 2D mario with 3D graphics in a main console instead of a 3D Mario.
NSMB Wii sold like 20 million at least. People like 2D and don't mind the 3D graphics Mario games. Mario Maker was a success as well.
And it did get a 3D Mario. 3D World. Is 3D Land not a 3D Mario for the 3DS?
>>336867220
>Also, that enemy looks even more retarded than the pokemon mains from X/Y
Still a new enemy. It makes me think you haven't played any of them and just take what you hear as fact.
>>336844102
That's actually... kind of true, nothing would please me more than new classic-style Metroid (2D or 3D), Paper Mario or 3D Mario.
I guess that that conservative viewpoint comes from the fact that Nintendo has been pretty horrible when experimenting around for the last 10 years, none of their new stuff comes even close to the stuff that they did during late nineties or early 00's. For hells sake, so many here praised Splatoon as a sign of a new great age for Nintendo and I still found it extremely bland.
>>336867632
NSMB Wii was the first Mario game that put me to sleep.
>>336867538
As I said, there is a reason why 3D world is hated, and no matter how hard you try tp push your tastes over other people this won't change anytime soon.
>NSMB Wii sold like 20 million at least. People like 2D and don't mind the 3D graphics Mario games. Mario Maker was a success as well.
It was the first one of the series, and since there wasn't any 2D Mario in years it was well recieved, plus many casuals got it for the novelty.
Now the NSMB is worn out and overused most people want something fresh like it used to be from the Mario series.
>>336844102
I'd rather they did both.
>>336867212
>It really is when you have to stop and scan or have to deal with the slow movement uninteresting combat and stupid puzzles and terrible platforming.
Like I said scanning is optional and the combat is pretty fast paced for what it is.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3QUO91JlIg [Open]
What does a speedrun have anything to do with the floaty and clunky controls of Super.
>>Not really if you wanted that 100%
>it's not optional if you want to do the optional things.
Holy fuck. Is this bait?
>They don't belong in Metroid
You still didnt answer my question.
>Enemies are not fun to fight
Except they are.
>Wrong
Wrong
I will agree the artifact hunt was the it's flaw. Nevertheless it's a much better game than Super.
>>336867786
>For hells sake, so many here praised Splatoon as a sign of a new great age for Nintendo and I still found it extremely bland.
Contrary to popular /v/lief, you're not obligated to like every "good" game, nor to dislike every "bad" one.
>>336868218
You replied to the wrong person.
But anyway my main point was to show that not every new Nintendo game is some experiment. Some series have clearly have been more of the same.
>>336868218
>NSMB Wii
>first of the series
It was the second, and NSMB came out about three years before.
