Scholar of the first sin
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I've noticed alot of the changes are more entertaining and small things like enemy placement tell a story. Heide knights actually at the tower of flame, vikings in Wharf appear to be transfering people to the prison, new enemy types are teased towards the end of a level connecting to the prison both at the crow and wharf, summon ai's and invaders emote and pretend to be players while not killing themselves. Does it keep getting better? I hated the original dark souls 2 release but I am actually surprised at these little changes.
>>336746812
Most folks agree Scholar is a nice improvement. If you haven't played the DLC, you'll overall really really like Scholar.
Fume Knight is literally the best Boss in the 3 souls
>we're all curse, from the moment we are born
;_;
I hated dark souls 2 and thought 2 sotfs was still a mediocre dark souls game but it's worth playing the DLCs. I really liked the puzzle one
>>336746812
Wait until dragon shrine, turns into muh honable dual. They also fixed shrine of amana's bullshit.
>>336746812
The undead carriage in the middle of the castle makes no fucking cense.
>>336747127
>the 3 souls
>3
>>336747328
this. the change to dragon shrine was pretty coolwhen i first got to dragon shrine i looked up the stairs remembering how bullshit the drakekeepers were and got immediately pissed to see the dragon armor guys added to make it even worse. i instantly got my bow out and started shooting the dragon guys and killed them first thing every time i respawned. it wasn't til i went on /dsg/ to complain about how bullshit the changes to the area were that i found out the truth
>>336747003
I am glad to hear that if its true, already im noticing enemy placement is much better and parrying no longer needs me to sit around waiting for them to fall over which i love.
>>336747140
I was very fucking dissapointed in the original release I loved the smelter fight and hated that the final boss for the area was easier then a side boss. How could such a thing have been allowed?
>>336747589
Very little of the game made sense if i remember correctly they had elephant knights to combat the invading horde of giants but chose not to use them for some reason. Never mind the fact that each area felt like it was part of a different timeline
>>336748079
>loved the smelly fight
Good taste. That's the only boss I really liked in the original game. You will like the DLC. Just a tip though the online is pretty much dead
>>336747874
>Attacking everything you come into combat with
Scrub, bet you ganked the npc lance faggot in ivory king too.I sure fucking did, I will not forgive him for his old iron king invasion bullshit.
>>336748309
I live on a farm these days so online is not even an option for me sadly it shoots me directly into offline mode. Wouldn't matter anyway if soulmemory is still a thing
>>336748309
>Just a tip though the online is pretty much dead
Pretty much, I just replayed scholar yesterday/today. I saw about 5 summon signs, got invaded once in prison bell tower and that was it all game including rats/bells. Every boss have npc summons to help though so eh.
>>336748478
Word of warning, each of the DLCs has an area that was designed with co-op in mind. They're extremely difficult for the amount of enemies they have, so don't feel too bad if you don't want to do them. That said, they are doable solo.
>>336748309
I'm playing through for the first time.
Online's not dead, I'm in the DLC areas and there is still summoning
However, I noticed you can easily over-level in the early sections of the game
Most people playing DS2 are experienced with many areas, so they tend to progress with very low soul levels
I noticed after doing many early level summons and losing 60k souls I couldn't summon anyone for the huntsman's copse
Had to equip the agape ring for awhile before I started getting company again
So keep an eye on your soul memory and only spend them on increasing your stats whenever you can
Aldia is probably the best NPC in the entire Souls series. Dark Souls 2's story was really good, characters like Vendrick are amazing, especially when you get to talk to him in the DLC.
I forgot what it's like to see rational people discuss SoTFS instead of LMAO B TEAM!!!!!!!!!
I have the ps3 version which for some reason doesn't have heide Knights at the tower of flame? And yes it's the sotfs.
>>336749338
Aldia was the mad scientist who played with the giants soul right? He and Vendrick become npcs?
>>336749487
Perhaps it was patched in? There are quite a few and if you approach the the direction of the drake they have a few hostile ones instead of the lazy ones who sit.
>>336749574
Aldia IS the Scholar of the First Sin.
He shows up a bunch in SoTFS and talks to you, and is a very disappointing final boss.
You use the Ashen Mist Heart to talk to Vendrick as part of the DLC "Quest".
>>336746812
I love how they placed Armorer Dennis in the forest of fallen giants. Such a fitting location for Dennis. What do you think his story is? Is he a time traveler?
the npcs are great in ds2, and have developing dialogue.
Armourer in majula
King vendrick
Aldia
Vengarls was pure bro
That one Scottish dude was cool.
The small changes are great as well, as soon as you get the Kings ring, all the petrified enemies in drangleic castle with not spawn
>>336749487
the ps3 version does not have the new enemy placement
>>336749574
OP gid outta here you gon' get spoiled.
>>336749338
While I liked Vendrick's addition as an NPC, I felt like it was a bit superfluous and downright dumb. He gives some tidbits on the Sunken King, Old Iron King, and Ivory King but just vague shit like Shalquoir.
And that shit with the crowns was fucking idiotic. Shanalotte states that Vendrick peered into the essence of the soul to circumvent the curse, but now it's about crowns? What kinda shit is that? Why are crowns special? How does getting all the crowns together make you immune to the curse? If you fuck another human with the crown on does your child become immune to the curse? It's stupid.
Aldia was cool though. Really hit home how hopeless it all is.
>>336749487
PS360 versions of SotFS are just vanilla DaS 2 with the DLC on-disk.
How is SotFS? I never played it, but I played 2 vanilla. Now that I'm done with DaSIII is it worth going back to?
Another thing I don't remember being in the ps3 vanilla game. Also Gavlan being moved into the vikings bar scared me shitless but it makes me happy because it fits his character
>>336749819
He's a twinked out mage build trying to gank your ass. In fact, most new NPC invasions in SoTFS are twinked to a degree.
>>336750032
Nah that cutscene was in the vanilla.
>>336749958
If you 20 bucks to kill and didn't play the DLC go for it.
>>336746812
Doesn't change the fact that it was a hideous cashgrab and completely burned me out of the series, to the point where no amount of blind praise will get me to buy DaS3 before Scholar of the Second Sin comes around.
The kind of thing you just can't let a publisher get away with.
There was already support for DX11 on PC when the game came out. More summons/invaders was a simple matter of better netcode, because the hardware was already there too. Enemy placement, enhanced textures, another boss fight that fixes your fucked up storyline into something just slightly less fucked, these should all have been a free patch, because that's what it is, patchwork fixes to make the game slightly less retarded.
The discount for previous owners was the final middle finger. Instead of paying full price for a product you already fucking paid for, you idiots that bought at release and got the DLC cuz we were too lazy to make a good game on the first try get to pay half of it. Aren't you happy now that you've already spent like $80? You get to spend another 30!
Fuck Bamco. Come back when the enhanced edition with all DLC and better graphics comes out, so I can have the pleasure of not buying into your scams again.
>>336749835
>Have the King's Ring equipped and the statues won't wake up
>Spiders are afraid of the torch and literally will not attack you if you have it out
>Hidden Hollows and Moths all over the place that you're supposed to find by them casting a shadow
>Getting EZ chunks by killing invading Bellbongs
The minor changes in SoTFS were the best
>>336749717
Would've had to be recently then. I beat the game and dlc earlier this year and there were only ever giants at tower of flame. Also melentia never once had a fragrant branch for sale so I was never able to do the shaded woods until I got the one from the poison quarry place.
>>336749958
They changed gameplay abit
>parry, attack and you get a standing riposte or let them sit and get the classic vanilla
>weapons faster
>enemy placement smarter
But they still wont tell me why the lost sinner did and its going to make me split my skull with curiosity all over again. I just want to lock her up in a giant prison and waterboard her over and over until she tells me what she did to deserve a never ending time out
>>336750158
You're right about everything but unfortunately Bamco got away with it, and will get away with re-releasing DSIII with all its DLC sometime next year. From Software are the only guys making these games at this quality so Bamco can get away with it.
>>336747127
I hate that he's a damage sponge. So many bosses in 2 were damage sponges.
>>336750317
I mean I know you already said you were playing SoTFS and I can't really argue with that.
But you weren't playing SoTFS.
>>336750317
They got one sitting at the entrance, another by the first stone giant, another next to the boss (it takes place of the red invader near that chest), and two or three charging from where ornstein used to be and they hostile from the get go.
>>336749574
Yeah. They're actually two of the best of the series.
Other NPCs are either harrowed down and worn out by the curse and usually end up hollowing, or they don't care at all, like Logan.
Aldia and Vendrick are both very aware of what the undead curse is and what consequences it holds, and are both trying to do something about it. Except Vendrick is trying to cure it while Aldia is this strange figure whose advice is more less "linking the flame is bullshit, figure something else out." He felt more neutral than Dark, though.
Also, Aldia first appears when you try to light the bonfire after the third lord soul boss or whatever you kill. SotFS was my first DaS2 experience and that bonfire was at the Iron Keep, so I shit my pants thinking it was a second boss or something.
I did like DaS2's overall tone because it really fleshed out what the curse was like. It was always present in DaS1, but it wasn't dynamic such that you really felt despair at being undead.
>>336750516
It's better than the health on the paper thin bosses from 3, and if you dont like damage sponges, DON'T play boodborne.
>>336750516
>Meanwhile half the bosses in 3 have a second phase that fully resets their HP
>Everyone shitting themselves over Nameless King OMG BEST BOSS EVER! when he's the fucking definition of a damage sponge
>>336747127
>Hasn't played Demon Souls
>>336750740
>Aldia is this strange figure whose advice is more less "linking the flame is bullshit, figure something else out." He felt more neutral than Dark, though.
Well when you walk away from the Throne Of Want, Aldia gives a speech akin to "the cycles are inevitable and it fucking sucks that that's a thing." He escaped the cycles by becoming this godlike...thing, but he can't save anyone else it seems.
>>336747127
I liked Fume Knight, but I also liked Nameless King and Moon Presence a lot too.
Plus, 2 had Smelter Demon, which is my least favorite boss in any game.
Does any of this mean shit in DaS3?
>>336747127
His first phase is GOAT. I'm pretty sure he has like 12 moves which he can combine at will in any way. His second form is rather lacklustre but it leaves you tense for the possibility of being one shot by any move
>>336751360
So far not really, unless the scholar that is mentioned in prince lothrics gear is Aldia
>>336751360
Nope, DaS3 is a full frontal assault of Miyazaki jerking off Dark Souls 1 while pissing all over Dark Souls 2 because le b team meme, even going as far as to cut a metric fuckton of amazing features Dark Souls 2 brought to the table.
SotFS has miserably bad changes to enemy placement (Heide Knights all over the Tower of Flame, for example) and is actually more of a slog to get through than the original release. The new end boss and ending are shit, as is everything in each DLC. An achievement in mediocrity.
>>336751360
The thrones for the Lords of Cinder are thrones of want.
>>336751360
Only thing I've seen hinted at is that a "Scholar" was the reason behind why Lorian & Lothric chose to not relight the first flame. If that doesn't sound like Aldia's fuckery I don't know what does.
>>336751725
This right here though, that could go places.
>>336751658
>SotFS has miserably bad changes to enemy placement
Ok yeah it's bad in some areas I suppose
(Heide Knights all over the Tower of Flame, for example)
Citing the best example of GOOD new enemy placement, durr why are all these Heide Knights in Heide's Tower????
>The new end boss and ending are shit, as is everything in each DLC
Aldia as an End Boss is terrible, the new ending is great and Dark Souls 2 DLC is fucking amazing.
This post was an achievement in mediocrity.
>>336751594
>amazing features
Name them, because the feature most prominent in my mind was the one where my weapon degraded twice as fast because of my framerate.
>>336751658
The Heide Knights sleep till you kill one of the bosses, then they wander around. They are exceptionally easy this time and don't pose a threat when you come back to kill the second boss of the area after levelling uo, Old dragon slayer.
Am I the only one returning to DaS2 after DaS3? I did not get the same level of enjoyment out of DaS3 as I did with DaS1, 2 and BB.
PvP is just a boring spam R1 fest (I had to deliberately cripple myself in order to feel challenged), not to mention that armor and weapon diversity feels worse than BB somehow.
I have one last question for you anons. Do we learn anything at all about this most frustrating creature? I remember people trying to throw together a very vague idea that she was a Priscilla like experiment by mad scientist Aldia.
>BEAR
>SEAK
>LES
>>336751725
Huh? I can't really wrap my head around this
>>336751594
It's kind of a shame that some decent gameplay improvements, like being able to get invaded after finishing an area and powerstancing, got thrown out with everything else about DaS2. Most of it belonged in the trash but there were some pretty nice quality of life improvements that were lost.
>>336751950
>Let's put a ton of these enemies with 1000hp and ridiculous movesets that were meant to be analogous to Black Knights in terms of difficulty and rarity in the second area in the game because their name is the same without making any changes to them whatsoever?
Nah, get fucked.
Also, the DLC is shit. It is exactly as bad as the original game - even worse since each DLC follows the exact same formula, which is noticeable even on a first playthrough.
>>336752026
no, but there is some speculation that she is a shard of manus like the queens
since you are the next king, she is to be your queen, and you've been feeding her souls this whole time in exchange for power
but both theories are inconclusive at this point
>>336751968
Oh boy.
>Powerstancing
>Weapons working in the left hand
>Being able to infuse and buff boss/twinkling weapons
>Poise actually working and not being totally retarded like DaS1
>Blue eye orbs and sin
>Split damage being good
>Pure PvE covenants
>Small white soapstones
>Being able to be invaded after killing an area boss
>Bonfire Ascetics
>Ratbro covenant
Just a few.
>>336752295
>DLC is shit
>Has Fume Knight, Sir Alonne and BiK, some of the best fights in the series
Come on now anon.
>>336752017
Something I realized a while ago is that DSII has a very "video game" feel to it. Let me elaborate: I've been playing the original Castlevania for the last few days, having a good time. The levels of Castlevania are made to LOOK like you're in a castle, or a basement, etc. but they aren't actually. That's exactly how I feel about DSII, locations that look like castles, but are purely designed with video game in mind. Contrasting DSIII, DaS1, and even DeS' design philosophies.
But I'm more than okay with that. I often find myself going back to DSII more BECAUSE of how video gamey it feels.
>>336752026
Shanalotte was just weird and felt liek a really unfinished character arc. I can't tell if they were trying to push the "child of dragons" thing more, or the "failed fire keeper" thing instead. Either way she didn't really have anything interesting going for her.Unless you believe Vaati's headcanon.
Damn you A-Team
>Powerstancing gone
>invasions in areas you've beat gone
>arenas gone
>Dorkmoons still fucking don't work
>>336752295
only a handful of the heide knights are actually hostile though and its not like they are hard to fight they have that one instant dodge stab attack but everything else is just ez parrying.
>>336752510
They're all boring dudes in armor with the same moveset as the dudes in armor from the base game. They aren't aggressive, they all have the same 3-4 hit combo, they all have the same gap closer. Did we play the same game?
>>336751031
Yeah, but...
>Demon's Souls
>good bosses
I mean, it had good designs, but the fights themselves were just... okay, really.
>>336752510
>Poise actually working and not being totally retarded like DaS1
not him but the poise stat actually doesnt affect anything in ds3
>>336752510
>DaS2
>Poise """working"""
>Cracked orbs only
>Farming required for almost everything
Other stuff is ok
>>336752537
>Shanalotte was just weird
Surprisingly, she is the most normal looking "child of dragons" in DS series.
>>336752745
oops I read that wrong my bad :^(
>>336752026
I just felt bad for Shanalotte
It felt like she was bored being in her own videogame
Every time I wanted to level she was thinking "oh boy, this idiot has returned. Better recite these lines and wave my feather so he won't bother me for some time."
>>336752430
>>336752537
Man I just wanted to throw her off that damn cliff all day everyday and then she starts teleporting about talking to me and making me increasingly want to choke her out. But you don't do it because you think to yourself she has to have some small detail some tiny little thing that my imagination can run with and create a story. But she is just some out of place woman staring at the ocean with a music box playing in the background making me want to fall asleep in her lap.
>>336752608
>Dudes in armor meme
At least we know where you stand now.
>Fume Knight having the same 3-4 hit combo
>Fume Knight not aggressive
yeah ok, the boss that actively seeks out and tries to punish estus chugging isn't aggressive.
>>336752745
Yeah, it worked in DaS2, albeit differently from DaS1. It's literally disabled in DaS3.
>>336752760
Poise DID work in DaS2. It's ridiculously apparent if you use the fucking stone ring.
It just wasn't completely overpowered like it was in DaS1.
>>336752026
>DaS2 Child of dragons = Shanalotte
>DaS3 Child of Dragons = Ocelotte
Don't know if it's a coincident or not, but I'd like to think it's more than that.
>>336753035
Every boss in the entire series tries to actively seek out and punish estus chugging. Black phantom invaders do it and regular enemies do it. It isn't new and it doesn't make Fume Knight aggressive. As if you could even get hit when he's so fucking slow and predictable, telegraphing attacks from a mile away like every single other boss in the game. It's a test of patience because he has a big health bar. Get a fucking grip, he isn't even the best fight in DaS2 never mind one of the best in the series.
>>336746812
>yfw DS3 gave Lucatiel a good end
;_;
>>336752532
Yess, it has this different feel to it from other souls games.
The animations in it are probably my favorite in the series, pretty sure it's the only one that's mo-capped.
>>336753393
She is in ds3 similar to onion bro? Did she actually use humanity instead of giving it away all day like a dummy
>>336753393
It did? Is it written on her armour description or something? Can't remember finding anything specific about her.
>>336752430
>no, but there is some speculation that she is a shard of manus like the queens
She's a firekeeper, so yes.
Can someone explain the lore behind the Cursewood Tree thing? Also I believe it has something to do with Lucietiel as it hides the Mound Makers shit, which if you give the vertabrae shackle to picklepee, they give Luciteils mask, and the mirrah set is in the area, and the soul can make her sword.
>>336753679
Hold up my nigga when you say shes a shard of manus do you mean it in the way that all of humanity is a part of the pygmy or do are we talking about the queen of disappointing boss fights level of shard?
>>336753792
Lucatiel was sacrificed to the tree.
>>336753792
Exact opposite of this photo.
>>336753792
all your answers and more will be revealed if you pump my rump with your pickle pee
>>336753393
>>336753605
I thought it was the opposite? Her Mask specifically says something about her begging someone to remember her which iirc only happens in her bad end
>>336754056
oh i'll remember her alright i'll remember her being a dumbass who couldn't ever get across that bridge to fight the lost sinner. Never have I felt such a strong desire to carry a woman like a princess but in the most hateful way. I can only imagine this is what its like to be a father
>>336753792
Best cat.
>>336754056
Lucatiel doesn't necessarily have a "good end" for her quest. The only difference in the end of er quest is if you meet the requirements, she's slightly less mopy and gifts you her weapons and armour. I mean, if you want to get all meta then you can say she technically does get a good end anyway, as the player themself ends up remembering her between games, but I don't know if From would go that deep for a character like her.
>>336752510
>powerstancing
One could argue that weapon arts is a replacement, but maybe
>weapons working in the left hand
There's a weapon specifically for being used in the left hand.
>infusing/buffing boss weapons
Yep
>poise working, unlike DaS1
Poise in those two games don't work for completely different reasons. As of now, poise is still in DaS3, but it's turned off for some reason.
>blue eye orbs and sin
Blue eye orbs are out, but sin is still a thing, along with the Blue Sentinels
>split damage
I'm having a lot of fun with a Divine Straight Sword, and I don't have any complains about damage.
>pure pve covenants
Agreed, wtf
>small white soapstones
I guess, but they had little use in DaS2 that wasn't dictated by Soul Memory
>being able to be invaded after defeating area boss
I don't know why this was taken out, but you still can be through summon signs, and indeed, the biggest PVP hotspot in DaS3 is immediately after an area boss.
>ascetics
Yes, but I personally don't miss them.
>ratbros
I played through 2 three times, and I never encountered a single Grey Phantom.
TL;DR: you're right and wrong
>>336753792
Shamelessly ripping off the good shit from DaS2 without needing to directly have it in game. That's all.
>Mfw DLC will be more DaS1 fanwanking instead of seeing just what the Bearer of the Curse got up to after LITERALLY SURPASSING THE CURSE OF UNDEATH
>>336753942
yes
>>336754056
>>336753605
>>336753554
Her item description says that she fought desperately to get someone to remember her even after she loses herself.
You can find her mask which is directly named Lucatiels mask, one of the few items with a nane attached to it, implying ds2 guy remembered her and passed down hee story across the ages.
>>336754450
>implying that it's a bad thing that the sequel disregards literal fanfiction and only includes nods to the parts of the story that didn't take a shit on the established lore
>>336754630
>her mask is directly named Lucatiels mask
>implying ds2 guy remembered her and passed down hee story across the ages
Good on the bastard, I didn't protect her from Smelter Demon for nothing.
>>336754423
Poise is flat out disabled in DaS3. It worked in DaS2, although very differently from DaS1 and in a way that wasn't totally overpowered like DaS1.
Sin isn't in DaS3, and the Blue Sentinels/Dorkmoons flat out don't work 99% of the time.
Split damage is trash in DaS3 because it has to go through Flat Damage Reduction twice and Damage Absorption Twice.
Small white soapstones were usable even when there was no boss to kill, they had their use.
Ratbros would kidnap you the second you stepped into designated rat streets on launch, and even frequently enough during SoTFS lifespan.
>>336754630
Immortal Joe will remember her
>>336754423
>Agree with him on every point.
>Y-your wrong.
Pathetic, mate. What was the point of this post?
>There's a weapon specifically for being used in the left hand.
One weapon does not excuse that you could dual wield _any_ weapon in DS2.
>Blue eye orbs are out, but sin is still a thing,
This is flatout wrong. Sin does not exist in DS3, Velka just resets NPC aggro.
>I'm having a lot of fun with a Divine Straight Sword, and I don't have any complains about damage.
Because it's a straight sword, mate.
>>336755701
>Sin does not exist in DS3, Velka just resets NPC aggro.
How do you think they're keeping track of whether the player can reset aggro or not? Just modify it so invading also flags that same variable and you have a sin system.
>>336755112
>Blue Sentinels
I'm still mad that From didn't decide to merge Way of the Blue and Sentinels to create the Blue Brotherhood or some bullshit, among other stupid design decisions they've made in DaS3.
>>336748725
Which areas? please respond.
>>336755903
>Just modify it so invading also flags that same variable and you have a sin system.
Right, and they could program unicorns into the game and you'd have a unicorn system.
As it is now, sin as we know it from DS1/2 does not exist.
>>336756115
Frigid Outskirts, Iron Passage, Memory of the Old Iron King (Should be done solo though to enjoy Sir Alonne though) and Cave of the Dead
>>336756115
Thunderhorse Valley, Ganksquad Cave, and Smelter Demon 2: Magic Boogaloo.
>>336751027
Mayeb if you never upgraded your weapon. He;'s not a damage sponge.
>>336756181
Unless I am massively overestimating how fucked From's development pipeline is it would literally be less than an hour of work to make this change and add a blue eye orb item in a patch.
>>336752510
>Ratbros
>everytime they are standing in the entrance and don't bother try to be dungeonmaster
That covenant fucking sucked, bro. The only good covenants were Pilgrims and Bellbros. Everything else felt straight up bullshit or boring.
>>336747003
Dark Souls 2 was fine, not great but not terrible either. SotFS didn't do enough new things to justify a re-release, and a lot of the new shit made it worse than the original. There's even more fucking enemies now, and the weapon durability is as low as ever, I've never had to switch weapons as often in the process of clearing a level. Walking through areas is tedious as hell, everything takes forever because they somehow thought it would make the game feel more alive to just double the number of fucking enemies.
>>336751360
They put Alva and a dead Ladderman in the game. They also put vendricks armor and mirrahs sword
>>336756384
If a feature was removed, you can't say that it wasn't removed because they can patch it in later, you daft cunt.
>>336756579
>Vendrick's armor
WHERE?!
>>336749915
About the crowns, I thought of it as an allegory of the virtues those kings had.
Sunken King: Faith
Iron King: Strength/Will
Ivory King: Love
Vendrick: Vision
As long as you bear those virtues (these respective kings had extremely vivid and powerful virtues of each), you will never fear the curse.
Of course, that's my own personal fanwank so it's as shoddy as it gets.
>>336756579
Cathedral of the deep next to the second giant you find
>tfw Pursuer was completely wasted potential
This hurts me since he had such a good design, a cursed knight hunting down rogue hollows to attone for his sins, getting his Ultra Greatsword and Shield was great.
I hope they bring him back in the DLC, maybe make him actually chase you through a gauntlet/labrinth
>>336753792
time to post the best cat
>>336754368
do not sexualise the kot
>>336756805
Pursuer relentlessly, obnoxiously chases you through Bastille in SoTFS.
You can't open a fucking door without that cheeky cunt hiding behind it.
>>336756792
>>336756672
Meant 4u
>>336752608
>dudes in armor
You're a dude in armor in the game, does that make you boring?
>>336756650
It was most likely removed because every single one of these fucking games has a shitload of cut content that they don't finish in time for release. Especially so for Bamco and their brutal release schedules. You can't tell me that the fact that the Sentinels and Darkmoon both exist in game and are functionally identical doesn't scream cut or unfinished content. If they weren't at least planning on sin-based invasions the Darkmoon wouldn't be in the game at all because there's literally no other reason for them to exist concurrently with the Sentinels.
>>336756792
That's not Vendrick's Armor, that's Llewyn Armor.
Completely different.
>>336756908
Literally only seen him pop up twice in Bastille.
>>336756909
Oh, you mean Wellager's.
>>336756983
Fantastic; sin was still removed, contrary to what you said.
>>336756983
>Especially so for Bamco and their brutal release schedules
Goddamn I am so glad DSIII and the upcoming DLC (that even hurt to write) is the last we'll see of From Software published games.
>>336757119
last one. ds3 needs more cats in the dlcs
>>336757005
There are at least 4 times he attacks you in Bastille.
Once in the servants quarters just before Bellschwitz.
Once in the open courtyard with the dogs and the archers on the wooden towers.
Once where the Bracing Knuckle Ring is.
Once where the chest right after you land from FoTFG.
I think that's them all, but I might have missed one.
>>336752608
>solaire
>dude in armour
>siegX
>dude in armour
>crestfallen
>dude in armour
>ornstein and smough
>dude and dude in armour and armour
>gwyn
>dude in armour
>paladin leeroy
>dude in armour
>literally any humanoid enemy in the entire series
>dude in armour
>chosen undead
>dude in armour
its almost as if the series is alternate tolkien/medieval dark fantasy wherein dudes wore armour for combat and ceremonial purposes, and that they can be interesting characters with unique movesets, traits, and abilities
>>336757210
Apart from Lost Bastille, you have
Next to the coffin in Things Betwixt. lmao2pursuer in the throne room of Drangleic Castle (in NG+)
>>336752608
>dudes in armor
>boring
It's as if you had no taste.
>>336757117
Do you have any evidence that it's not a hidden stat? The only thing we know is that invading with it isn't in the game. Velka's statue claims to offer absolution of sin, wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was being tracked behind the scenes.
>>336757135
I'm 100% in agreement. Namco has ruined the potential each one of these games in their own way, it's a testament to the quality of the series that their constant greedy meddling has still left us with such a great series of games.
>>336757407
And the Smelter boss room.
>>336757119
I'm disappointed this smug cat wasn't in DaS3 or at the very least, hinted at all.
>>336746812
I've started playing through this game for the first time.
Why does everything feel so bad in this game?
Attacking feels choppy
Parrying is too unpredictable
blocking only works for a few shields
and rolling doesn't work most of the time
>>336753942
Humanity is fragments of Manus. Firekeepers are a draw for infinite humanity. If a fire keeper didn't burn off excess humanity, like if say, all the old ones retired and didn't bother getting replacements, what would happen?
>>336757496
>Do you have any evidence that it's not a hidden stat? The only thing we know is that invading with it isn't in the game. Velka's statue claims to offer absolution of sin, wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was being tracked behind the scenes.
That's like claiming DS1/2 style poise is in the game still because the code is there but turned off. Don't be stupid.
>>336757286
>>336757489
Armor isn't the root of the problem, it's that most bosses in DaS2 fitting that archetype all have the same moveset and have uninspired visual design to boot. Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully.
>>336757496
>Do you have any evidence that it's not a hidden stat?
Jesus fucking Christ man, are you even reading these posts before you type them? Do you have any idea how retarded you sound?
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE SIN SECRETLY ISN'T IN DAS3?
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT OVERWATCH CHARACTERS AREN'T ACTUALLY THE DAS3 BOSSES?
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT MIYAZAKI ISN'T A TECHNOPUNK TIME TRAVELLING ROBOT MINOTAUR?
DO YOU??????
>>336757524
Because it's not a happy game.
You're using a chopping weapon.
Acquire talent.
Check the damage reduction and stability.
Are you sure it's not just you lacking good timing on your rolls and blaming the game for your lack of skill?
>>336757517
DS3 Cat DLC when?
>>336757734
>dark souls is le hard game
fuck off I know there's something off about this in comparison to the first one
and i want it be actually be fun
>>336757517
She's hinted at in the Silvercat ring.
Also, the crabs have the faces of the forest cats.
>>336757524
>and rolling doesn't work most of the time
Either get good, or put points into the pussy ADP stat until you have 96 agility to match DS1.The problems with ADP were blown vastly out of proportion and there's really only minor things wrong with it.
>>336757706
Yeah, it's so outlandish to speculate that the sin system, which has been in every game in the series and has a dedicated NPC for absolution, might still be in the game, and that the blue eye orb's absence is the only real difference.
>>336757673
It's not really like that because there's something clearly working about the system. If you aggro an NPC, then go to the statue, you can request absolution. How does that not constitute the exact same system as from the previous games?
>>336757679
I'll give you that most bosses like the Dragonrider/Ruin Sentinels (polearm/pavise knights) have that back-and-forth horizontal slash followed by a vertical slam, but to be honest I didn't mind.
As for uninspired design of the knight-type bosses, I think they were for the most part very appealing, but that because I'm in love with anything related to full plate armor.
So I guess it's a matter of preferences.
>>336746812
I love how this cunt is all like "I'm forgetting everything poor me oh no this cures look at my face" meanwhile your a freaking zombie
>>336757706
>Miyazaki is a technopunk time traveeling robot minotaur
I am officialy jealous.
>>336750158
>Whiny PC faggot
Fromsoft and Bamco don't care about you. You're just a cash cow. You should have realized that only consoles get real attention when it comes to Souls. SotFS was mostly just an excuse to port to Next Gen.
>>336750827
It's not, actually. Intense boss battles are better when you're actually doing damage to them instead of chipping their health for a half hour.
>>336758024
>If you aggro an NPC, then go to the statue, you can request absolution. How does that not constitute the exact same system as from the previous games?
You must be fucking with me, because NPC aggro was always a completely separate system from sin. The "sin" removing characters never removed the sin stat, they only reset NPC aggro. This has not changed at all across the three games.
Sin as used by the blue invaders was a separate thing that does not exist in DS3 no matter how much you whine.
>>336752026
There's nothing vague about it. She confirmed who made her and that she failed to accomplish her goal.
>>336751027
>everyone blaming b-team and DS2 for multiple enemies and infinite stamine enemies
>it's litterally perfect when DS3 does it
You can point a lot of those.
>>336758304
You did accrue sin from killing NPCs in 2 though, maybe that's where this guy is getting confused.
What was that ladder guy doing in Profaned Capital before he died?
>>336758660
There are like 5 ladders used to move around the area right next to him.
What do you think.
>>336758660
Set up some ladders and then died from sticking too many miniatures up his ass.
>>336758304
>Sin as used by the blue invaders was a separate thing that does not exist in DS3 no matter how much you whine.
To be fair we have no way to know that. There's at least one mechanic left over from a previous game that no longer does anything but that's still there (Poise), so the same could very well be true of sin.
>>336758660
Making ladders, you eejit! He was on the run!
>>336752706
Demon's Souls bosses were more like puzzles, and I was actually relieved to fight a boss after an area.
>>336758738
>>336758889
>>336758949
Do you think he's the one who dropped that Alonne greatbow off the bridge?
>>336758928
The entire conversation and what that anon has repeatedly denied is whether or not sin was removed from DS3. Comparing it to poise only proves my point.
>>336758928
There are no Blue Eye Orbs. DaS3 is on the bloodborne engine which is a modified DaS1 engine. Poise "exists" in DaS3 and probably "existed" in Bloodborne because it's a leftover from DaS1.
You're grasping at fucking straws just to what, get people to believe that maybe a mechanic that has literally no relevance to anything in the game whatsoever could possibly maybe perhaps be in the fucking game?
Christ man let it go you look like a fucking tool.
>>336747127
The Maneaters, Flamelurker, False King, Penetrator, Ornstein and Smough, Gwyn, Artorias, Manus, Kalameet, Pursuer, Alonne, Velstadt, Throne Watcher & Defender, Darklurker, Sinh, Smelter, The Ivory King, Iudex Gundyr, Abyss Watchers, Pontiffy Sulyvahn, Dancer, Oceiros, Nameless King, John Cena, Dragonslayer Armor, Twin Princes, Soul of Cinder, Father Gaston, Logarius, Orphan, Maria, Ludwig, Gerhman, Wet Nurse, and Ebrietas were all better off the top of my head.
>>336759310
I agree.
>>336759232
>get people to believe that maybe a mechanic that has literally no relevance to anything in the game whatsoever could possibly maybe perhaps be in the fucking game?
Are we talking about poise or sin now? Because that's a 100% accurate description of poise. All I'm saying is if there are leftovers from DaS in DaS3, like poise, then sin might be in there as well. They obviously didn't bother getting rid of the now useless parts of the engine.
>>336756805
>Can't get Pursuer Armor in 2
>Can't get Dragon Slayer Armor (boss version) in 3
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
Majula music makes me want to kill myself
Everything about the game just screams reddit
>>336759557
>You will never have False King Allant's armour.
I just want Demon's Souls 2 specifically so I can make Allant.
>>336757734
>Because it's not a happy game
You missed his point, he meant it's bad as in shit, not sad
>you're using a chopping weapon
o i am laffin m8 axes, swords and maces have no difference to how enemies react to it, except maybe maces stagger enemies slightly more. but not a very amazing difference. also he probably also meant that the attacking feels slow and clunky.
>Are you sure it's not just you lacking good timing on your rolls and blaming the game for your lack of skill?
no, he's blaming the game for putting a retarded attribute such as adaptability into the game
>>336760080
>no, he's blaming the game for putting a retarded attribute such as adaptability into the game
ADP is fine outside of PvP (where knowing how many i-frames your opponent has is important), but you'll probably just respond with a blank post and a reaction image instead of an argument.
>>336758020
You actually need ~114 agility to get the same iframes as DS1 actually. You only need 99 to dodge everything in the game though.
>>336760448
I think that ADP in PvE is not very good either because if you have multiple stages the amount of i-frames changes, most people will have some trouble getting used to it over and over again.
>>336760589
114 is ninja-flipping frames, 105 is fast roll, 96 is medium roll. You just need 3*ADP+1*ATT to be 64 to get DS1 style rolling, and you can opt for extra challenge by doing less.
>>336760741
The only time your i-frames will go down is you start a new character or respec and by that point you should know what ADP is. I'm not saying it's a perfect implementation (the agility stat could have just shown how many i-frames you had) but it's not detrimental to the game and has some benefits (another way to boost your defense, a penalty for players who heavily rely on i-frames, and an optional challenge for low agility runs).
>>336760969
It's not really an extra challenge, it just means you use more estus. There are attacks you can't dodge with sub-99 agility because most enemies have some lingering hitboxes that last longer than your iframes will.
>>336761209
Nah, it's a shit stat, like vitality in 2 and 3 and resistance in 1.
At least luck has had weapons tied to it.
>>336761212
I'll take your word for it that there exists attacks that cannot be blocked, sidestepped, or rolled through. I'm sure they exist somewhere, but that's not a problem with ADP but rather enemy design and hitboxes (namely, how your hitbox stays in place until your roll has finished which is bullshit).
>>336761426
Those are shit stats because they're not worth leveling up. A common complaint of ADP is that you need to level it up. I think you are very confused and should repeat your post with an actual argument.
>>336761635
Yeah it's more of an issue with enemy design, but it's something that should have been caught in playtesting.
I actually think Vitality is the bigger "shit stat" compared to ADP. ADP is dumb and makes the early game an annoying slog, but Vitality is just stupid. Having equip load on endurance made endurance too good, but having it as its own stat just gimps strength builds. It should be tied to strength.
>>336751027
>>Everyone shitting themselves over Nameless King OMG BEST BOSS EVER! when he's the fucking definition of a damage sponge
He has a lot of hp, but gives you a lot of moments to do a free riposte, even in phase 1.
>>336761805
Honestly armor has never really worked well. They give you tons of cool armor but in order to be optimal you have to have equip load leveled to a very narrow band (too low and you can't wear it, too high and there's better things to wear) and even within that band some armor is just plain better than others.
They need to just make light, medium, and heavy armor and have all armors within a class be roughly comparable.
>>336761212
I saw a webm of someone dodging the ogre at the beginning. If you have sub-par agility, you need to dodge at the time of the attack, which may sound completely counter-intuitive.
>>336754450
>DaS2 DLC all about collecting them crowns to cure the curse
>Wolnir's crown description is that he beat all the other lords and made their crowns into one
shit nigga I don't know
>>336762979
Wolnir has nothing to do with DaS2. You should know better.
>>336762345
Actually, additional idea. Remove the notion that all stats need to go from 0 to 99. Equip load being a separate stat isn't a problem, it's that you need too many points to wear anything decent. If you could wear Havel's at 20 points and putting more points into the stat just raised defense or stamina or whatever it would be fine.
It's better if leveling equip load doesn't lock you into a certain build.
>>336754450
Yet Aldia is an incredibly major character in Dark Souls 3 along with nods to Eleum Loyce
basically everything from DS2 that wasn't garbage was included in DS3.
We'll probably get a DLC about what Aldia and the bear seek lest got up to after the end of DS2.
>>336762979
Looks nothing like it. It's a similar story, but does it look like it cured the curse for him to you? Doesn't even have an effect like that when you wear it.
>>336763318
>Yet Aldia is an incredibly major character in Dark Souls 3 along with nods to Eleum Loyce
Proof for both claims pls
>>336763318
>Yet Aldia is an incredibly major character in Dark Souls 3
You what?
>>336763509
Probably talking about how Aldia was possibly the scholar who caused Lothric to doubt linking the fire.
>>336763509
He's the entire reason the fuccboi prince didn't link the fire which caused everything to go to shit.
>>336763614
>>336763658
Lothric should know better than to take advice from talking bonfire monsters.
>>336763773
Yeah, instead they take advice from rotting trees.
what if bamco werent shit and actually gave tanimura and b team time to work on the game. imagine more areas like the dlc areas
>>336763773
His mom left, his dad was crazy and wanted to be a dragon, his brother was left a retard after fighting a demon, and he was surrounded by idiots who thought Frampt was an angel. He probably couldn't have known better.
>>336764001
Or creepy masked people.
I never got why people hated DS2 but liked SOTFS.
They have the same mechanical problems. Bad movement, shit hitboxes, ugly, poor level design, enemies are mostly humanoid with no interesting moves, and moving through levels is tedious because of the high number of ganks. Many encounters just turn into kiting.
The DLC is better than the base game but that is not hard to accomplish. Definitely not worth playing through the base game for.
>>336764829
Joke's on you, I liked both.
Good movement (that diagonal roll when locking on, goddamn), shit hitboxes, eh level design, enemies are mostly men because Age of Dark/humans rule the day etc. high number of ganks make for a challenge.
>>336759310
>Gwyn
>Pursuer
>Throne Watcher and Defender
>ludex Gundyr
>Dragonslayer Armor
>Soul of Cinder
>anything but shit
>>336765595
Someone's mad they got bodied
>>336765651
those are all incredibly easy bosses.
Gwyn is pretty much a joke boss.
>>336765686
>easy = shit
Lol, go play ninja gaiden you big tryhard
>>336765686
Just like Raime then
>>336765798
a boss that isn't fun or interesting is shit.
If it's way too easy it's going to be poor.
Gwyn and Soul of Cinder are the same shitty boss that gets killed before you see their moveset.
Pursuer just charges you, nothing to say about him.
Throne Watcher and Defender have nothing going on, the gimmick is that there's two, that's all.
ludex Gundyr is just DaS3's asylum demon.
Dragonslayer Armor is the easiest boss in the game if you don't include gimmicks like Wolnir and Wyvern, he's so slow it's weird that he's at the end of the game, plus it's the fucking 3rd game we've fough Ornstein.
>>336764189
lorian wasn't crippled in the fight with the demon prince, he deliberate chose to share his brother's 'curse'
The DLCs had reasonable difficulty on my pure strength two handing greatsword character. Then when I went to do them on a sorcerer character everything was absurdly resistant to magic. Even with 50 intelligence and the best staff in the game imbued with magic and fully upgraded it was nearly undoable without constantly eating amber herbs to replenish my casts. What the fuck was that shit about?
>>336765994
Dragonslayer isn't Ornstein, he's just another of their order. He doesn't have the same armor, and he doesn't even use a spear.
>>336754316
>not just fighting the rotten 3 time in a row
>>336766193
Dragonslayer armor is a husk of Ornstein just like the skeletal things that fly over his boss room are the husks of the moonlight butterflies.
>>336766367
>Lucatiel slowly walks towards the lava and just fucking stands in it the whole fight.
LUCATIEL NO STOP EVERY TIME WITH YOU.
>>336766367
>not the Flexile Sentry
>>336766405
Which is why the Dragonslayer Armor looks completely different, has a different weapon, and is described in item descriptions as being different from Ornstein. Because he's clearly Ornstein.
>>336766743
too easy for her to just fall off the docks on the way there, or get killed by the ninjas
>>336756805
I really want to see Pursuer show up in DaS3 DLC with no lead-up or context. I just want it to come out of absolutely nowhere. Like, you're playing a completely non Drangleic-related DLC, and all of a sudden he just smashes through a wall, still chasing you across space and time.
>>336767105
item descriptions aren't even written by the main writing staff, if you're looking for lore within them you're wasting your time.
>>336766405
>husks of the moonlight butterflies
no
no no no
nooooooooooooo
they're fucking hollows that have been praying at like high wall and shit
LOOK AT THE TREES IN HIGH WALL
LOOK AT THE TREES BILLY
>>336748428
If you don't he shows you where an item is, then when you pick it up he backstabs you
Moldron is the quintessential dick invader
>>336749915
Vendrick gives you the ability to stave off the curse after you collect the crown. It's more about proving your virtue to him than unlocking some power from them.
It's why he's hollow in the present, because he lost the ability when he gave it to you
>>336746812
They did have one of the best NPCs to date though not to mention his gear being pretty damn good as well.
>tfw so taken by his story that I would honor him by wearing his armor and helmet having him with me in all my future battles.
>>336750158
Oh please. ONE bad game and you give up on a series entirely?
The game was rushed and had no Miyazaki involvement. That's why it was bad. Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 are great.
>>336764829
>moving through levels is tedious because of the high number of ganks
I feel like this is overblown a lot. You really only get this with a few areas like fofg/bastille, and the optional DLC co-op areas. Whereas I couldn't go anywhere in DaS 3 without being ambushed. Demon Ruins in particular was a level of awful/tedium I had not experienced since pre-patch Lost Izalith.
>>336769121
2 had a lot of miya involvement. He was well on the way to making a fucking trainwreck before being kicked out and replaced. The top dogs refused to give them more time to finish it, which is why we got the jumbled mess we did.
It would be interesting to see what it was actually going to be, though
>>336755458
>dat filename
>not MEDIOCRE
sometimes I wonder if you guys even watched the movie
>>336746812
>in the Frigid Outskirts now trying to get to the last of the kings pets
>tfw getting my shit pushed in by the fucking popsicle raindeers
I'm not even sure if I should continue on with this or just move on to the next DLC at this point because this shit is pissing me off.
>>336759232
>bloodborne engine which is a modified DaS1 engine
Phyre engine have shit to do with Bloodborne engine anon.
Its outdated and have shitty optimization.
Bloodborne is SPECULATED to use Yebis engine.
>>336769803
Just skip that optional area entirely anon.
>>336769929
I've lost quite a bit to this area alone besides I just wanted to get the armor that was on the cover of DeS2 for collection purposes. Looks like I will have to come back to this area once I have gotten better by the sounds of it.
>>336769725
>implying it wasn't LACKLUSTER
Like do you guys even know about Mad Malcolm fucking seriously.
>>336763318
>the bear seek lest
Holy shit I spat my cereal on my keyboard
>>336770376
Please do not make fun of my wife anon
>>336770550
>normal right eye
delet this
>>336763614
>>336763658
Literally any evidence of this, please.
Take your head Canon elsewhere.
>>336769694
Time travel shenanigans (which can still be felt in the patchwork level design, it feels as if they took levels here and there and stitched them up as best they could), loli shanalotte. On the top of my mind.
>>336750429
I haven't played DaS2 in ages, but didn't the Lost Sinner try to recreate what the Witch Of Izalith did when she created all the demons to extend the First Flame?
>>336769803
Summon Vengarl, let him tank the reindeers as you make a bee line for the fog gate. Release him with the black crystal, pop a brightbug, curbstomp the kitters. Voila, enjoy best greatsword.
>>336770550
That's my wife's wife, anon.
>>336752510
>Powerstancing
>Weapons working in the left hand
>Split damage being good
very true, I remember my first character where I powerstanced butcher knifes, it was fucking great
>>336771878
>powerstancing mundane ladles
>the OP powerstanced caestuses
It was fun.
>>336752510
WHERES MY POWER STANCED TRASH COMPACTOR SHIELDS MIYAZAKI?
did those two scorpion people ever fuck?
>>336772221
Wasn't it implied that they were already a couple? I thought it was that he stopped because she was getting to rough not to mention going a little insane in the process.
>>336771695
>it feels as if they took levels here and there and stitched them up as best they could
Feels is an understatement.3 feels exactly the same, there is just no elevator to the clouds moment.
>>336749338
>>336750740
Completly agree and Aldia is not only interesting, but our only hope for a ''happy ending'' as well, meaning he is also pretty fucking important.
Dlc better have Aldia, he was the best part of DS2 and outright forgetting him with the rest is criminal.
Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse linking arms and skipping off into the sunset is the canon ending for 2, no?
>>336772617
Why would it be criminal to discard B team fan fiction?
>>336772615
Out of 5 games Dark Souls 1 is the only one with an astonishing world design, BB and 3 have great level design, but lack the freedom of choice and connettivity of DS world.
.>>336772954
Because 2 actually told a story, expanded on the universe and in didn't crush you over the head with call backs.
But B team guys.
>>336772954
Because, at least the characters, are written miles better then memezaky's.
>>336773161
And DS's start areas are the only ones with that inter connectivity, because it didnt have warping from the get go.
Also I don't think any area of 3 really stands out. Maybe Lothric Castle and the Archives.
Why is the game so SLOW
it's like fucking slow motion
>>336773730
>why don't enemies have infinite stamine and poisebreak?
At least DaS2 is playable.
>>336773802
>DaS2 is playable
>>336773161
from being afraid to fully commit to one level style really fucked things up. They should have went back to the demons souls style of levels if they wanted teleporting between bonfires instead of walking 20 feet and suddenly the entire world changes.
>>336749928
wh-what? I'm buying a ps3 with all the souls games that were on it but now I'm sadi'll just get it for ps4 anyways
>>336773918
Yes it is, my dear memer friend.
>>336773992
it really isn't, couldn't even get through it because of how fucking sleepy and boring the movements are
>>336774049
That's because you need your Adderall to stay focused through the day. A normal, mentally stable person likes to take his time.
>>336773928
The fact that they've never gone back to 1-1 world selection makes it very clear they never wanted to that in the first place.
And since every game barring DaS1 has had early fast travel its safe to assume they want this, as it is convenient for the player, and eases the burden on level designers.
>>336752026
how ticklish do you think Shanalotte is?
>>336774128
>I enjoy taking 5 years to roll and attack
okay
>>336746812
Hey guys so steam says I can upgrade dark souls 2 for first sin for 30 bucks, does this include all DLCs? cause all the dlc cost 30 bucks which I don't have for the original dark souls 2. BUt if this upgrade comes with all the dlcs and enhance shit then its a no brainer to just upgrade to scholer of first sin.
>>336774215
>30 bucks
don't cuck yourself like that, seriously
>>336774202
>I enjoy being forced to cheese my way through the game with a longbow and magic because melee is suicide
ok papi
>>336774301
>i'm bad at souls games
you should of just said so from the start m8
>>336774215
Buy it from the Humble Bundle. Dont give Bamco zero effort double dip money.
>>336774301
What?
That's plain nonsense.
>>336774353
>I'm tough at video games because I said so on the internet
of course
>>336774180
>eases the burden on level designers.
That's just an excuse for them to have bad level design. the 40 foot long tunnel between Majula and Heides magically being long enough to cover this distance is inexcusable.
>>336774487
they aren't even fucking hard man
>>336774504
Making things easier is an excuse to make it worse. Gotcha.
>>336774602
No, but having to circle strafe/backstab every enemy is way worse in terms of boredom than your so-called "5 years to roll". Just because you don't hop around like a frog on cocaine doesn't make the game slow.
And god forbid you try anything else than backstabfests in DaS3.
>>336774776
>having to circle strafe/backstab every enemy
you already told me you're bad at these games, you can stop now
When people claim that magic is shit in ds3 are they referring to pvp or in general?
Just made a sorcerer and is one or two shotting every enemy I come across.
>>336774939
Why would you intentionally not use the best way of beating encounters?
Do you think anyone anywhere cares about your amazing skills of gimping yourself?We don't.
Why is fume so overrated? What was so great about him? I remember doing Fume and immediatly after Alonne not too long ago and they felt like the same exact boss. Not only that, Fume felt exactly the same as Velstadt.
It's a big dude. He hits really hard. And you dodge his moves like every single other boss in the series. Not a single one of these bosses do anything memorable and this is why they all felt the exact same.
That's the problem with 2, you can say Matthew was wrong all you want but it's right when he said they wanted to make it difficult before making it fun. They are mechanically proficent bosses mind me, but they lack anything that sticks with you, that's why they are so generic. Silyvahn in 3 is mechanically the same boss (a dude with two swords that is very very aggressive) and is infinitely more memorable thanks to a very fun phase 2, great location and music and actual lore around him.
And you know what is the fun thing? That Dark 3 is the one that played it the safest in the entire series. And it was still better than 2. The meme that the DLCs were "SO GOOD" must end. The basic game is shit, a location "slightly better" won't make it any less shit, especially considering how bad some of the design in such dlcs are.
>>336774504
Roger that. You would enjoy it more if you had to walk tunnel ten times longer.
>>336772535
less implied, more outright stated
>I wish to ask a favour of you. I want you to kill my betrothed. Once, I always found her at my side. But as time went on, things went awry. She became violent, raging uncontrollably. Eventually she came after me. And we've been locked in combat ever since.
>>336775024
Fishing for backstab exclusively is only a thing in the first dark souls
>>336775024
you keep implying it's a hard game but it's really not, just admit you're bad
>>336775149
It's a hard game if you try and not cheese the game. You know it, but you pretend it's not.
>>336775064
>It's a big dude. He hits really hard. And you dodge his moves like every single other boss in the series. Not a single one of these bosses do anything memorable and this is why they all felt the exact same.
>there are mechanically proficent bosses mind me, but they lack anything that sticks with you, that's why they are so generic
Describes every boss in 3 as well.
Who /summon/ here on almost every boss without a shame?
>>336775149
I don't keep implying anything, you just keep making strawmen to make yourself feel good.
Circlestrafing and backstabbing everything is by far the safest and easiest way to go through DS1
>BUH I DIDNH DO ETH
Doesn't mean its not good.
QUICK: I'm getting DS2 with a NoGameStation3 pretty soon, but I also have a NoGameStation4.
Should I get SoFTS for 4, or stick with original on 3?
I.Frames seemed really fucked in 2. You would just get hit mid dodge, and you wouldn't even stagger or anything. The damage just happened even though you rolled through something.
>>336775424
Get the PS4 version.
>>336775424
Scholar 4 is way better than base 3 or scholar 3.Get it on PC if you actually want multiplayer tho
>>336751274
>mfw Aged Smelter Demon
>>336775227
you go ahead and believe that
>>336775424
>should i get the incomplete or the good version? tough decision hmmm
>>336775424
get SoTS since it runs at 60fps.
>>336775450
Large weapons hit zone stays "hot" longer than in 1. Hence why the Red NPC Phantom in front of the chariot is such a pain.
>>336775383
it's the easiest way if you're bad
>>336774287
>>336774358
Fuck didn't even know about the bundle getting right now 20 bucks seems good for a new experience plus all the dlcs which I have not played.
>>336775064
Man 3 was such a letdown
You had like 5 non gimmicky/non multi enemy boss fights in the entire game and most of them were in the first half of the game.
>>336775564
Oh yeah, my bad, it's easy if you summon two phantoms at all times and watch a few playthroughs on the internet while having fextralife open.
>>336775630
No, its the easiest and safest way period until you get a BKGS and iron/havels after which the game becomes an R1 fest of no consequences
>>336775569
>should I get the version with broken weapon durability, shitty DLC, overrated fixes (lol the enemies moved so cool) and an overhyped final boss? hmmm
literally you
>>336775823
>weapon durability
You people are still bitching on about that? It wasn't ever an issue in the first place, the corpse hitting was.
>>336775823
Whine harder faggot.
>>336775823
Isn't there Bloodborne you've got to finish seventh time?
>>336775718
>>336775727
sorry you're not good at the game, maybe if you play more you'll get better?
idk, you just keep showing how insecure you are about it
>>336775926
>look guys I'm so hardcore you I shot myself in the foot!
Nah man, no matter how much you want it to be "just cirlestrafe with your shield up for backstabs" will forever remain an absurdly strong approach to encounters in 1.
>>336775926
>I'm good at the game because I say so on a korean imageboard
For sure, memeboy.
>>336775381
>Who /summon/ here on almost every boss without a shame?
I summon with no shame and now that i've completed the game a few times i summon even more.
People need the co-op rewards and who am i to deny them the progress.
>>336776014
>>336776042
i'm average at the game and i lose to most invasions but the game itself is easy
you're bad and that's okay
>>336747127
Agreed fampai
>>336776148
>I die a lot but the game is easy
If you die a lot, the game has high difficulty. There's no going around the definition itself, brother.
>>336776292
>other players = the game itself
okay jimbo
>>336746812
Huh, her face looks like the hollow gem. Even more than the stuff on most hollows chest does.
>>336776324
>players are not part of a game
You listening to yourself?
>>336776292
sure, TR13 is way harder than DS due the fucked up QTEs and hiding scenes. man From should learn Square
>>336776451
>play hollow
boom, no other players
>>336775064
>Gundyr
Dude in armor who becomes a black monster then dies instantly, pretty OK tutorial boss
>Bort
Dude in armor with a mace
>Greatwood
Shitty gimmicky "hit my weak spot for massive damage and 6 second disables" boss
>Crystal sage
Shitty gimmicky "can you tell which one is real, it's the one using puprle attacks" boss fight, also a dude
>farron keep
Multiple dudes in armor
>deacons of the deep
Fucking Congregation 2.0, it's literally just a bunch of duded
>giant skelly
Shit gimmicky "Don't hit my massive glowing weak spots for insane damage" boss
>Old demon king
Recolor of a reuse of remaster of a shit boss. Not a dude in armor or really that bad of a gimmick fight though. 1 point for DS3
>Sullyvan
A dude in armor who becomes 2 dudes in armor with a shitty gimmick
>Yorhm
Shitty gimmick fight against a giant dude in armor
>Alrdich
Snake dude, but not really actually a dude in armor because of his moveset and not too gimmicky either, point 2 for DS3
>Dancer
Help I'm underwater gurl in armor.
>Dragonslayer armor
Would have been a decent fight but he is a dude in armor that gets help from off screen off arena attacks.
>Ocelotte
Well other than the constant talking and crying not actually a gimmick boss, point 3 for DS3
>Gundyr
Again, and still a dude in armor
>Princes
2 dudes in armor one heals the other
>Wyvren
Stage hazard and the definition of a gimmick fight
>nameless king
Multi phase gimmick boss that is also a dude in armor
>Soul of Cinder
Dude in armor who refills his own health and has a heal.
And most of them didn't even have any HP or poise outside of the 100000000000 HP can you hit my weak spot bosses.
If you just adopted the BB playstile stayed in their faced and mashed R1 with a fast weapon they die so fast.
>>336776524
>And most of them didn't even have any HP or poise outside
>in DaS2 you can poise stun bosses
>>336776498
>playing monopoly by yourself
>>336776524
It's litterally perfect when Miyazaki does it. Now delete your post and apologize.
>>336764829
>and moving through levels is tedious because of the high number of ganks.
In SOFTS maybe. That's not really a thing in base. If it is, it's in a way lower number than DaS3.
Dark Souls 3 is hilarious to me because if you go pyromancer a lot of your boss difficulties get inverted.
Like, Iudex Gundyr and Rotten Greatwood all gave me a challenge because of their fuckhuge reach - these are bosses you HAVE to hug. Yet Champion Gundyr, Sullivan, and Dancer were all really easy for me. In fact, Sully is a joke because your Great Chaos Fire Orb will hit both him and his copy when he's cloning. Champion Gundyr never transforms so you don't have to deal with his long-reach phase 2.
I died more times trying to beat Rotten Greatwood than Nameless King on my Pyromancer, I am not lying.
>>336776904
It's even lower in scholar bruh.
People seem to really like glossing over the fact that DS2 is by far the longest game in the series, right now being about twice if not more the size of 3, so if the game has 1 encounter with multiple dudes like say bastille then the entire game is full of them.
DS2 and Scholar only have multiple enemy ganks regularly if you try to ignore the enemies or rush face first into every encounter without even trying to think about how to approach it.
>>336764829
You want to know the real reason without memes?
People always knew deep down that DS2 had a lot going for it, but around launch time they had to hate it because /v/ always has to hate launches. Once the DLCs rolled around it was considered socially acceptable to admit you liked the game, they just provided an excuse. Memorable level design and bosses didn't hurt of course.
And don't meme me, we both know DS2 did bring a lot to the table even if it messed up in other areas - things that even DS3 fucked up. Best covenants of any soulsbourn by far, for example - no one disagrees about that.
>Bloodborne
>The one game where weapon durability can become an issue since being able to stay in the field indefinitely without running low on health vials along with the gems that just murder your durability
>no repair powder
>>336777178
I haven't played BB, but watching people play somehow i never understood, how do you get vials and bullets outside picking them up?
>>336777178
>BB The one game where weapon durability can become an issue
That is a fun way of spelling DS2 buddy.
BB durability was just stupid because you would need to go through 5 areas for it to ever effect you and the only reason for not fixing it at every lamp was because you had to sit through a loading screen.
You could do it from the start of the game
It cost next to no echoes.
Thank god they sort of learned their lesson and made weapons auto repair at bonfires in 3
>>336772221
>>336772535
>>336775087
Yeah wasnt his wife the fucking freya spider? I get it its weird, but he wants us to kill his betrothed and his quest ends when you kill Freya, not Nashka. This always confused me.
>>336777341
You can just buy them. They're pretty cheap.
>>336777347
Man just slap on a durability loss gem and suddenly you're copping 1.5k soul losses after every 30 enemies.
At least there's no equip load so you can just keep another weapon in your offhand at no real cost.
>>336777431
No, Freya is his master
>>336777431
>After defeating Najka
You've defeated my better half.
This is my thanks. Take it.
>After defeating Freja
What skill. You've defeated my master.
But our master never dies, only changes form, so that he may seethe for all eternity.
Brave human, you have yet to face your greatest perils.
Take these. May joy await you at the end of your travels.
>Translator's note: Better half means wife/girlfriend
>>336777169
I love DS2 and think its the best in the series (haven't played BB and probably never will) and I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people who dislike DS2 don't really have any idea why.
So they just repeat random things other people on the internet said without stopping to think how true it even is
>muh enemy ganks
Then they will proceed to ignore that basically everything in DS1 that wasn't Izalith and Anor was enemy ganks and enemy ganks
>muh dudes in armor
And then they will say that O&S along with Artorias were the best bosses
>muh quality of quantity
Ignoring absolute trash bosses like the 2 reused demons
People don't like DS2 or just think they are obliged to not like it, but very very very few people seem to actually be able to put down WHY they don't like it so most arguments about it usually became
>WELL DS2 DID X Y AND Z WRONG
>NIGGER 1 AND 3 DID X Y AND Z WRONG TOO WHY IS 2 SPECIAL?
>NU HUH THOSE DON'T COUNT
And it never goes anywhere.
>>336774301
>>336774202
>>336774128
>>336774049
>>336773992
Am I being fucked with I swear I've seen this exact exchange already.
>>336777753
>Then they will proceed to ignore that basically everything in DS1 that wasn't Izalith and Anor was enemy ganks and enemy ganks
It's about placement leading to ganks, which DaS1 was indeed very careful about.
>And then they will say that O&S along with Artorias were the best bosses
The grievance is that DSII is just having MORE dudes in armor when DaS1 did that pretty well.
>Ignoring absolute trash bosses like the 2 reused demons
True that.
>>336777753
it's too slow
>>336777870
Bear seek seek lest.
>>336774504
Time and space are convulted lol xD
>>336777870
Yes, congratulations. It was all a set to make you feel paranoid.
>>336777870
Surprise, people just default to the same arguments.
>>336777972
>The grievance is that DSII is just having MORE dudes in armor when DaS1 did that pretty well.
DS2 just had more bosses in general, it had a better "monsters to dudes in armor" ratio than 1. It just had like 3 times the bosses.
>It's about placement leading to ganks, which DaS1 was indeed very careful about.
As if, go walk through the catacombs and say it was very carefully crafted and though out.
They just slapped skeletons everywhere and called it a day
>>336778128
>catacombs
one example, can you name a few more?
>>336778124
No not about the arguments, I mean those EXACT words.
>That's because you need your Adderall to stay focused through the day. A normal, mentally stable person likes to take his time.
>I enjoy taking 5 years to roll and attack
>okay
>I enjoy being forced to cheese my way through the game with a longbow and magic because melee is suicide
>ok papi
All of that, I've seen those words in reference to DSII.
>>336778203
It's the basic entrevue between 2 raging autistic fanboys.
>>336778197
Izalith, Dukes archives, Lower Burgh, Depths, Blighttown, Sens
>>336778197
All of New Londo, Sens, some of Dukes, the forest npc phantoms, painted world.
Basically any place that isn't Anor Londo.
>>336778203
This is the same board that's been making the same joke about that Loss comic for 8 years, sort of a creative black hole.
>>336778406
One of these is not like the other.
>>336778128
I didn't say it was throughout, and I'd call the Catacombs the exception to the rule.
>it had a better "monsters to dudes in armor" ratio than 1. It just had like 3 times the bosses.
Whoa cowboy. The Old Iron King is a shit tier boss, Covetous Demon is a shit tier boss, dragons are shit tier in Souls, everything else in vanilla is dudes in armor except The Last Giant/Giant Lord. DLC bosses I don't have much problem with.
>>336778292
Izalith? You never get overwhelmed by dragon statues, and dragon butts were patched long, long ago to the point where they are a nonissue.
>Dukes archives
What about it?
>Lower Burgh
You jest.
>Depths
You definitely fucking jest.
>rest of post
You're jesting, you must be. However allow me to say I don't have any problem with DSII's enemy placements myself, and always thought it was a piss-poor argument when it came to criticizing DSII.
>>336778527
>my main gripe is that it had too many dudes in armor for bosses than its predecessor
>actually it didn't
>ok then my main gripe is that they were shit instead
Seriously, fuck people like you.
>>336775065
They could have put in a transitional level to cover the distance. Maybe put No Man's Wharf there.
>>336763318
>Incredibly major character
>Mentioned a single time in a spell description in the Japanese version
>Only influence he had was making the twin fuccbois doubt linking the fire, something that is completely irrelevant because the events of DS3 would've occurred with or without them
Aldia dick riders are the worst.
>>336776975
That pretty much holds through for any casting-based build. Hell Greatwood and deacons took multiple attempts for me mainly because I was trying to find a decent melee weapon to them with.
>>336778759
>my main gripe is that it had too many dudes in armor for bosses than its predecessor
I never said that, friendo. My main dealio has to do with its world design and the less than stellar execution of its themes, but there's no sense to getting into that since it was Bamco's meddling that fucked the game over. I was clarifying it for other individuals. I have almost zero problem with DSII's bosses or enemies.
>>336778527
>You never get overwhelmed by dragon statues
Dragon asses
The walk up to it is literally copy pasted Taurus and Capras standing next to each other, then you have the annoying worms that tend to pop up in groups and the walk before the BoC fights has like 20 statues over a 10 metere stretch.
>dukes
Full of enemy groups that also have high health and do high damage
>lower burgh
Literally has enemy ambushes that you can't see coming because the enemies hide behind closed doors and only open after you have walked past them, and its followed up by a gangbang fest of a boss.
>depths
Nothing but groups of rats and groups slimes
>DS2 had dudes in armor
>no wait the moster bosses were just bad
And you are perfectly illustraiting my point
You will ignore every time DS1 pulls the same shit as 2 trying to handwave it away by going "no that doesn't count" and then changing your argument as to what was wrong about DS2.
And that was my entire point, I don't care to argue if DS2 is a good game or not because its amazing and no amount of memery from people like you will convince me otherwise.
I just want to point out that YOU don't even know why YOU dislike it, you literally changed your mind as to what was wrong with DS2's bosses in 2 posts, you don't have a fucking clue.
are people still playing dark souls 2?
like
for summonings and whatnot
whats the meta level for the bosses
>>336778128
>it had a better "monsters to dudes in armor" ratio than 1
Iron Golem, Ornstein, Smough and Artorias(DLC)
That's not a lot even if you decide to include old easy Gwyn
>>336779063
>Dragon asses
Patched, friendo.
>And you are perfectly illustraiting my point
I like DSII dude I was clarifying other people's thoughts.
>>336779093
>DS2
>SL
The meta is the orange outlines.
FotFG and Heides tower is around <100k
Warf and bastille are 100k-300k
Iron keep is 500k-1mil
Dragngleic is 1mil+
>>336779320
ah shit, meant soul memory meta
thanks man!
>>336779063
>dukes
>high health
all the enemies are glass cannons?
>>336779181
Uhuh now count the DS2 bosses, do keep in mind if you count things like Smelter you would also have to go back to 1 and include Capra and Taurus.
>>336779394
Smelter is equal to Iron Golem, not Capra and Taurus
>>336779367
You would think so because they look like hollows with some blue shit on them but those guys are pretty tanky, you fuckhuge 2 handed weapon to 1 shot the shield and sword guys, they have VERY high defense and pretty high health to boot
>>336779460
Yeah and Capra totally isn't a dude, I mean he has a goat head!
Go make a count of the bosses for both games and see how many fall under dudes in armor and then see what total % they make up, if your not being unfair for the sake of proving a point then surprise surprise DS2 has shitloads of non dudes in armor.
why does DS2 fell so FUCKING CLUNKY compared to ds3
>Years of completely well argumented posts and discussions about why to some people Dark II is shit
>"Nope, you are just repeating things you heard on the internet lol"
>>336779920
It's strange. Probably the fact that weapons seem to lack range and every time you hit an enemy it "slides" on the floor like it's made of ice. I recently saw a video of it after playing 3 and I couldn't believe just how bad it looked, my fucking god.
>>336779579
DS1 4/27 15%
DS2 15/32 47%
>>336779950
Best part is
>B-but look at all the bad things in other games, that somehow makes DaS2 less bad
>B-but look at me desperately reach about how similar DaS2 faults are to features of other soul games
>>336779950
>completely well argumented posts
>well argumented
You haven't touched DS2 if you think that, 99% of the criticism for it is overblown or flat out lies.
>look at all these things DS2 does wrong
>the rest of the series does them too
>NO THOSE DON'T COUNT
People just like bitching about that game.
I'm glad I found this thread, cause I'm playing SotFS for the first time now. The only game I completed previusly was DaS, played DeS after but abandoned it because it didn't grab me as much.
I thought I already ot sick of souls games but I am really really enjoying this one. I don't know if vanilla was much worse but if not I don't get all the complaints I read because I am really liking it.
>>336759557
You forgot these:
>can't get Yhorm's armor
>can't get the Silver Knight sword and spear despite them being in the game
>Lautrec's armor had its gorget removed and it looks ugly now
>Artorias' armor still has chicken legs
>Black Knight helmet has this stupid fuck-up where you can see the character's skin
>>336780149
who has ever said things in the other games don't count?
you'll either get them denying it or saying it's not as bad, which is mostly true
>>336779920
I forget what exactly it was, but someone pointed out the directions you can walk/roll are limited. Try walking in as perfect a circle as you can and you'll see what I mean.
>>336780280
i already know what you mean without even having to testing it out
>>336780236
>saying it's not as bad
Which is flat out not true. Nobody talks about DS2 or DS1, people talk about an imaginary release for both games where DS2 is nothing but enemy gangnags and DS1 is a perfect game of 1v1 high skilled duels against enemies.
is there anyone like benhart in das3? usually dark souls has npcs who are struggling to get on by and have depressing ends, i liked how benhart was just this strong adventurer who could keep up with the main character.
also dat accent and armor
>>336780463
i've never seen someone say DS1 is perfect m8
>>336780223
>Artorias' armor still has chicken legs
This is very important though.
>>336780280
Rolling is limited in DeS and DaS 1 by lock on
Very slow walking in circles is limited in DaS 2 by deadzones
Running isn't limited in any of the games
>>336780149
>You haven't touched DS2 if you think that, 99% of the criticism for it is overblown or flat out lies.
Ok, ok anon, stop a second. You can't deny all of the criticism just because some people like to act like parrots. I know many people like to overblow it, the best I can tell is sharing my experience I had with it.
I played it. Many, many times. I did multiple complete playthroughs, even though I felt something was off. I accused myself of not being able to accept change so I played even more. I hated it.
SOTFS actually fixed lot of the problems I had with the game. Many people focus on the new placement (which is fine, the only area they made worse imho is that round room in Iron Fortress and I came to a sort of "truce" with it. They honestly did their best to fix it, but even with that it didn't fix what to me felt worse:
The combat.
The combat feels floaty. Unresponsive. I hate how quickly enemies turn on themselves. I detest how they "slide" along the floor in order to stop you from stunlocking them. I hate how they based the entirety of the game on basically the i-frames and yet gave you no decent tools to manage them, they reduced them even more.
Is this objective? No, probably not, there's a lot of personal bias in this. I even admit that DS2 has the done a good thing, it wanted to be different, to improve and not to recycle. But when your "fixed" product is one that basically changes the game in one that I believe to be inferior, like a cheap knockoff copy, it's not good. DS3 is much safer and can be criticized for that, but it feels Dark Souls to me.
What can I say anon? I don't know, but I don't think I'm parroting anyone, I think I gave the game hundreds of hours of chances, it just didn't deliver for me.
>>336780547
Siegward?
Is there ever any point in using backstep over roll?
I never got why backstep even exists.
>>336781157
backstab has i frames in das2 and is really good to learn how to use. in das1 and 3 itsnear useless though
>>336781232
Well, useful for what? Roll has iframes too and more of them. What is a situation where you would want t backstep over back roll?
wheres the smith that makes soul weapons for you
>>336781349
backstep is quicker and puts you into position to counter attack if someone swings again or even parry
>>336781349
Backstep to R1 leads to the running attack rather than roll to R1 that leads to the rolling attack.
