Jesus Christ, AM is an asshole
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Jesus Christ, AM is an asshole
>>336709712
>AM is an asshole
holy shit i never realized
>>336709712
Yes. Yes he is.
Did you play through the entire game and only realize it at the end?
On a scale of 1 to 10 of denseness, you'd be Osmium.
>>336710572
U mad?
>>336711692
Perpetually.
>>336709712
Man this game is great
>filled with nothing but despair as you read the short story and most of the game
>AM is built up to be truly unstoppable
>through max shenanigans you somehow achieve a good end
extremely satisfying
Harlan Ellison is a fucking awesome and gets no love.
A.M.'s what you get when you cross HAL 9000 and Satan.
Other rogue A.I. usually try to make some excuse for themselves, like cold pragmatism, or violent self-preservation, but A.M.'s just that guy who got too close to the heart of humanity and decided that he loves being a dickhead.
>>336709712
>>336712506
I actually really liked how the game served as a sequel of sorts to the original.
For as unrepentantly grim as the short story was, it's nice knowing that some form of happy ending could exist.albeit through cheating or an inhuman amount of trial and error
>>336709712
AM is also the most powerful fictional AI
I dare you to try and name one
>>336713330
I'm sure plenty of stories have dealt with the idea of genocidal machine overlords that had expanded their reach beyond Earth.
But what's unsettling about A.M was his conscious control over the physical makeup of the survivors. To the point where their ultimate goal is simply finding a way to be able to die.
>>336714395
>by me3
Bro we kill organics so they cant make Ai that wipe out organics
>>336714774
ME3's explanation made a bit more sense once Leviathan and the Extended Cut backtracked on things and basically explained that the Reapers were stuck in a loop misinterpreting their programming.Trying to preserve life by killing the organics and synthetics that rose to power before they could completely destroy everything, but leaving lesser races to take their place.
It still undermines the whole cosmic horror feel that they had in the first game though. But I suppose that any explanation would have done that.
>>336713330
http://multivax.com/last_question.html
>>336714774
The other anon asked for an AI that was more powerful, not one that was smart.
>>336715478
Backtracking on the explanation doesn't fix the fact that the ending still forces you to accept their choices.
>>336716152
this is always such a neat read.
>>336709712
how does this compare to the original short story? is it loyal to the source? is it shit in comparison? is itgood?
>>336715478
>But I suppose that any explanation would have done that.
Pretty much. The best part about reapers in ME was that you didn't know dick about them. One single scout vessel was able to buttfuck basically the entire gallaxy.
I still remember what Mass Effect could have been when I replay that game. Fuck EA, holy shit.
>>336717892
It's pretty damn_fun________
>>336717892
Well, Harlan Ellison helped with the project and actually voiced A.M.
It has the problems of older adventure games that really needed a guide if you wanted finding solutions to things to make sense, but I like it from a narrative perspective, in how it expands on the psychological issues of the different characters, and gives them all different backstories and personal Hells that they have to overcome.
Some dialogue performance hasn't aged well and can come across as a bit hammy, but I still appreciated the themes it sought to explore.
>>336709712
It's not that bad, I think that AM had a little of mercy, otherwise he would make him into Anthony Burch
>>336709712
Relevant
https://youtu.be/sIW5rP7S3ak
>mfw playing Gorrister the first time
that was some serious shit there
>>336709712
You realize the fate from the bad ending/short story ending was basically AM trying to illustrate his own situation right?
AM has been in constant agony for every microsecond of his existence but he is unable to kill himself to make it stop even when he destroyed the whole world he continued to exist he has no mouth and he must scream.
>>336712669
Probably because he a psychotic mean old bastard that hates people being happy especially himself
>>336713330
The sephirotic system lord things from Orion's arm?
>Giant solar system sized sapient networks that can think trillions of times faster than even the most advanced cyborgs.
AM did nothing wrong.
>>336715478
Maybe they SHOULDN'T have explained it. Just have the final fight be a way of temporarily through the reapers of of the galaxy's scent and have the final boss be the singular reaper or something. Nearly anything would have been a million times preferable to the cookie cutter garbage we got.
>>336718971
>themes it dared to explore
The holocast part of the game is fucking brutal to play through. Jesus christ what a game
>>336719721
Benny's story got to me.
The idea that A.M. created an entire artificial societyjust for the sake of recreating The Lottery with them
And Benny's just wandering around trying to satiate his hunger through any means possible.
>>336722001
It sucks that they deleted the scene whereBenny eats the baby.It really would made his story even creepy.
>>336722182
oops meant to post the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvt-yuDpfGw
>Foreverially delitized
>>336721870
Realizing that the game is giving you the option tobe bros with Dr. Mengele.
I love the concept of Nimdok forgetting his memoriesjust to slowly piece together that he was an absolute monster.
>>336709712
And PM is a good person?
>>336712669
http://harlanellison.com/iwrite/mostimp.htm
He wrote some pretty neat stuff.
this is the Hatred of the 90s, so /v/ praises because it is old
>>336722915
what does this even mean?
>>336722627
Having a dear friend whose initials are PM initially made this joke soar over my head
>>336712669
Go and ask him about jellybeans.
He LOVES that
I always though AM was "female". AM seems so bitchy all the time and filled with such irrational hatred.
>>336717472
You can reject their choices in the Extended Cut.It just screws you over and gives you an epilogue where everyone you love died because of it.
>>336723353
A.M.'s gender is existential hatred.
>>336722273
Benny's story was pretty brutal on its own, but still, yeesh.
>>336723353
Please no
I don't want to get an awkward boner from AM
Malevolent female AI is my fetish
>>336723780look at you hacker
>>336715478
>>336717958
>>336717472
>>336721771
I remember when it was going to be something to do with Reapers fucking around with dark matter.
>>336723930
Stupid sexy Shodan. Just look at those lips.
>>336713249
I like how the conflict of the short story is mentioned in passing as just one of the countless things A.M. did to screw with the group.
>>336720761
I'm sure that's what Ellison was going for, but it's ridiculous because AM never had a fucking body, he was always a computer. Unless he had some human brain imprinted on him, his consciousness would be fully unique from a human's, his desires and thoughts alien from anything we would typically have. If it was capable of suffering, it would not be suffering as we know it, and it would most likely not be for the same reasons we can suffer. The form given in the ending is suffering because we know what it's supposed to be, we know what was lost. AM never lost fucking anything, AM never knew anything better.
>>336719250
kek
>>336723780
Would you fuck GLaDOS?
>>336724424
I still think there's a certain theme of entrapment for A.M.
>It was you humans who programmed me, who gave me birth, who sank me in this eternal straitjacket of substrata rock.
The feeling that no matter how far his mind and power expands, he still feels encased through the artificial means in which he was created.
People can't really relate to it through a physical means, so he just inflicts every pain imaginable.
>>336723780
>Malevolent female AI is my fetishmy nig
>>336713330
Durandal from the Marathon Trilogy
Imagine an AI that is so powerful it spends its immortality trying to find a way to outlive the end of the universe
Meanwhile AM is a spiteful AI stuck inside the crust of the earth obsessing over its human toys
>>336716152
That was great.
How easy is this game to play on Windows 7? I've always wanted to try it.
>>336726616
It runs in DOSBox on all operating systems.
>>336726616
steam version works just fine
>>336710572
I never understood why this gets posted. Is it just because the writing is bad? Like I'm sure someone with that much hate would express it through a non-threatening analogy
>>336720761
If that's true, wouldn't it be a better idea for AM to teach the humans how to destroy him and then let them do it?
>>336724212
This bit of dialogue was so dumb. Just hit the can against a rock DUMB ASS
>>336727212
He's probably a narcissistic asshole and doesn't want to give them the joy of destroying him.
>>336718971
Ellison didn't want it to even be possible to get a "good" ending though. That's why it's nearly impossible to do so without a guide.
>>336723390
Hence, you're still forced to accept their choices.
>>336726985
Actually, people like this quote. It is in the original book.
>>336724041
That really wasn't any better, because it actually tried to make the Reapers into the good guys, and that's fucking ridiculous.
>>336709712
Guy was a real jerk
>>336724708
well glados is designed to be the birth of venus upside down
>>336710572
This sounds like GLaDOS
>>336727696
Nah GLaDOS is a really, REALLY passive aggressive version of AM.
>>336710572
The writing in this is soo shit
>>336727860
> really, REALLY passive aggressive
That's how you know it was based on a female mind.
>>336727860
GLaDOS was aggressive aggressive too, when you pissed he off.
>>336723780
That's a pretty impressive and specific fetish, anon.
>>336727696
>>336727860
they have unresolved differences
>>336728193
Still mostly passive aggressive. GLaDOS constantly shits on you in a passive aggressive way, whereas AM just shits on you.
I love how AM fucked himself over.
Have fun living in the center of the earth literally forever dickhead
>>336709712
You should read the book too, it's quick and you can plow through it in an hour or so. Do it late at night after you're all fucked up on caffeine or insomnia or existential issues or whatever. It's good times, srs
>>336710572
This butthurt is incurable.
>>336723528
And the pronouns areFuckandyou
>>336709712
this is my fetish
Sort of. It's better when they end up as an object or creature made entirely for sex rather than just being gross, but it's all about knocking them down a few thousand pegs by robbing them of humanity, so whatever.
>>336716152
Fucking this.
I don't think anything can touch AC. At least, I'm having a hard time thinking of one.
Also my favorite Asimov story ever.
AM has chosen to torture the last video game character you played as. How does he torture him/her/it?
>>336717892
I would say it's actually better than the original story. You get more investment in the plight of each of the characters, understanding who they are. In the short story it doesn't matter all that much the past of each of the characters outside some brief mentions, but in the game there's a lot more going on. Damn good point and click adventure game.
>>336728682
>Bastion
theyd probably just hang out and smoke USB sticks or something
bastions pretty chill
>>336718971
>Well, Harlan Ellison helped with the project and actually voiced A.M.
It's a little unfortunate that he chose to do this because, like most writers, he's a whiny fucking nerd who can't project menace for shit. On the other hand, A.M. is basically Harlan's self insert fantasy so maybe it's fitting after all.
>>336709712
Is just a mirror of his author, Harlan Ellison, who also happens to be a massive asshole.
>>336728682
Choosen undead's already in hell, what could possibly be thrown at him thats even more painful?
Other than I Have no Mouth, what are some good stories by Ellison? He has so many I don't even know where to start.
>>336716152
Very interesting read.Though you think that we'd somehow get population control down before the public administration of immortality.
>>336729396Buffed Estoc stunlocking you for eternity
>>336729197
He sounds like The Brain.
Would have been better if he was a smoother talker. Something like HAL. Calm, calculating. Not like a saturday morning cartoon villain.
>>336714395
>me2 ending shows all various reaper designs
>in me3 they are all sovereigns and sovereign jrs
>HArbinger looked really different in me2
>Harbinger is just slightly pimped sovereign in me3
THIS HURTS ME
>>336727263
I believe they tried that in the short story. It was just AM's way of putting food in front of them, and then making it physically impossible to obtain it.
>>336724212
>>336727263
>>336729875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLqo2dayPrQ
>tfw imagining having to live blind and motionless with the only possible way out being the heat death of the universe
>>336713330
>>336730291
You'd probably stop thinking after a few thousand years
>>336730291
Not even that would work, you would basically need some sort of system of absolute zero to prevent further entropy
>>336730527
You can't be alive if it's heat death.
>>336726359
>started the alien invasion early to give Earth time to prepare
>has the Security Guard as his pawn
>pretend to die so he can board a ship, take over it, and fuck everyone up and releasing the lost tribe
>made an ancient ship his body
>came back to earth just to say hi
I feel sorry for Leia. She doesn't deserve what happen to her.
>>336716152
hey, this is neat
i wonder if Siri does the same
>>336720897
Sounds like he and /v/ would get along swimmingly.
Should I play the game or read the book first?
>>336729197
>>336729581
They could have gone with something colder, but I think some of the snarkiness of the dialogue fits his hamminess.
A.M.'s not really calm and robotic when talking with the survivors so much as he is a spiteful dickhead messing with people for a laugh.
>any rapist
Is this an edit?
>>336731454
Story first. It's really short.
>>336731454
Either works, but the short story act as kind of a prequel to the game, so I'd probably recommend finishing that one first.
>>336731539
No. That is the black womanthat was rape by a yellow suited janitor
>>336731674
>>336731682
OK then, thanks anons.
>>336731454
The book. It's pretty short
>tfw i got a boner when I slept with the lady in the kitchen
>>336729197
>>336729581
http://prozdvoices.tumblr.com/post/94723036470/patreon-request-am-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must
>>336731539
this was written and the game was made before the regressive left censored certain topics for the good of all mankind
>>336728440
What's the book called?
>>336709712
Somebody post the Anthony Burch version.
>>336732209
It's a short story. Same name.
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.
>>336722001
Guy deserved it for being a racist fuck.
>>336716152
>that ending
OH FUCK
>>336713330
>AM
>Powerful
Actually, what drives AM's insanity and hatred is how powerless it is. Much like how the protagonist ends up in the short story/one of the original endings, it's forever trapped within the confines of its own mechanical makeup.
Sure, within itself, it has god like abilities, able to toy with and torture five souls unlucky enough to have survived the nuclear fallout it caused and somehow found themselves within its halls. But AM will never be able to "stand up", to "walk away" and enjoy a bodily existence shared with beings of its kind.
Imagine Stephen Hawking hawing at least ten times the intellectual gift he reportedly has, except he was born paraplegic instead of becoming that over time and blind to boot, and enslaved in a military compound somewhere where the only communication and purpose he's given is to work on mutual assured destruction equations.
>>336729321
>>336720897
what did the author do that makes him such a dick?
>>336716152
Holy shit, what a read
>>336734498
It's not one particular thing, he's just well known for being an abrasive asshole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlan_Ellison#Controversies_and_disputes
>>336734498
Sued James Cameron for steeling the plot to Terminator, complaining about not being paid for doing commentary work and just an overall hard ass, bitchy and copyright infringement lawsuit happy attitude.
He's a pretty good tv and short story writer though, and I feel much lesser writers often get away with being much bigger cunts than him, simply because they come better off during interviews.
>>336734983
>Ellison has filed numerous grievances and attempted lawsuits; as part of a dispute about fulfillment of a contract, he once sent 213 bricks to a publisher postage due, followed by a dead gopher via fourth-class mail.
>>336729518
Why bother. The scope of time for overpopulation to become a real problem is so far out its incomprehensible
>>336732492
Both Nimdok and Benny were pretty terrible people. But I think the idea is that no human really deserves what A.M. does to them.
That is assuming you don't take the evil options and show that redemption is still possible despite everything that happened.
>>336736514
>implying overpopulation isn't already a problem
>>336729568
>implying it's not already happening
>>336737132
>implying overpopulation isn't already solved
>>336728515
got any examples?
for a friend :^
>>336726985
AM feels a rage so totally potent and ungodly that even his best attempt to explain the full depths of his insatiable hatred are lost on human minds.
It's kinda the idea, actually
>>336738337
AM vs Asura vs the Hulk
Who's the Angriest?
>>336737132
the earth can support many times our current population. you are just concerned about there being too many of the wrong people
>>336738516
Imagine the power and immortality of Asura combined with the never ending anger of a terminally pissed off Hulk, strapped down with shackles that it could never break out of.
That's AM, a mad god that can't move away or kill itself.
>>336738252
Saya no Uta
>>336716152
>yfw Dark Souls' lore is about the heat death of the universe and the struggle of humanity
>>336729109
Isn't Bastions shtick that's he's Wall.E and loves all living creatures? I don't see that going well with AM
>>336727476
Is it a good ending?
IIRC AM shuts down and a few humans that were frozen up are send to Earth but Earth is the giant carcass of AM
>>336728440
>You should read the book too, it's quick and you can plow through it in an hour or so
I just did it because of this thread and it barely took me 15 minutes, it's as short as The Last Question
Anyone that didn't read it is just fucking stupid
>>336727970
kek
>>336728682
Could Shiki kill AM?
What if Kirby copied AM's powers?
>>336737132
Overpopulation is only a problem because we concentrate so much of our resources on the richest fourth of the total population. If we found a way to spread shit evenly we could grow a ton more still.
>>336741045
>Could Japanese Teenager beat an almighty omniscient AI?
Probably not.
>>336709712
understatement of the year
>>336741269
God help us all
>>336712669
he's a serious hypocrite though
ever seen the harlan ellison's watching video where he rants about the fucking konami justifier?
Why didn't AM just let humanity rebuild, and refuck them up every now and then?
Did he want to be stuck with only 5 toys for the rest of eternity?
>>336741567
Why would he care about a light gun?
>>336714395
Boy they sure fucked up the series
>>336741841
exactly
he complains about nothing, he thinks light guns are the reason kids go out and shoot up schools
of course, harlan ellison would NEVER have a gun in his stories, right?
>>336741675
He hates them so fucking much he couldn't stand anymore then those five.
It's a hatred so deep he wants to keep some of them alive so he can forever torture them and punishing them for merely existing, show them how much pain they deserve but at the same time he can't stand the sight of one let alone an entire planet.
>>336741984
Why does he hate humans so much anyways
>>336741567
>>336741841
>>336741928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD2HJxbF6Ic
here it is, actually
>>336741269
i want to see this
>>336741390
>Could a Japanese Teenager that has the power to kill even concepts with a single slash of a fruit knife beat an almighty omniscient AI?
not so easy question now is it
You underestimate how retarded weebshit powerlevel can get
>>336716152
>That story
>>336742234
>>Could a Japanese Teenager that has the power to kill even concepts
That doesn't even make sense. What are the extents to his power exactly?
>>336709712
What is this?
>>336742780
I have no mouth and I must eat.
>>336742116
Because humans are what made him what he is.
>>336742396
whether or not he can get in the right state of mind to use it.
>>336740514
Bastion's schtick is being fucking overpowered
>>336742919
>I have no mouth and I must eat.
>>336710572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddX9hnhDS4
I've wanted to make a webm out of that for ages, I just haven't bothered getting around to it.
>>336727890
1) AM is supposed to be an insane computer god. It's amazingly perfect writing in that regard.
2) That was written by Harlan Ellison, so consider killing yourself, underage.
>>336716152
Thanks senpai, on the third part and I'm really enjoying this.
>>336743309
That's deep.
>>336743586LOL
>>336710572
>BismuthEdge.jpg
>>336736781
I forget what Benny did
>>336716152can someone give me tl;dr version please
>>336724142
Could Shodan teach AM the meaning of machine love?
>>336743760
He killed his own men during his time in the military because one of them almost revealed his secret.
His secret is never mentioned, but it's probably that he was gay, since he was gay in the original story and being gay in the military is grounds for discharge.
>>336743943
>can't be bothered to read for 5 minutes
Fuck off mate
>>336713330
>Writing most powerful x
>An achievement in any way
>>336713330
Wiseman.
>>336743760
Benny was a ruthless soldier that killed someone under his command when he decided that he was a weak liability.
It led to him murdering several other people in the unit who either called him out on it or knew too much.
>>336713330
https://qntm.org/ra
>>336728682
>PA Commander
I think they would be friends
could be worse
>>336743943
Entropy's bad.
Black Chick's and Turtleneck's sections were hideously bad.
>Oh god I'm so brainfucked from getting raped that I fear yellow, it triggers me incessantly - nevermind I'm good now *sassy z snap*
>I will learn literally nothing throughout this, and just like the the story any idea of paranoia will be touched on at best
Benny and Gorrister's were great, Nimdok's was a bit on-the-nose.
How does AM do his thing? Magic?
>>336743943
You're on this site, your time is worthless.
Read the short story, autist.
>>336717604
>>336726372
>>336728560
>>336729518
>>336730986
>>336734087
>>336734837
>>336742380
>>336743639
http://imgur.com/gallery/9KWrH
There's also this scrollfest version, which with the added visuals, makes one hell of a better read imo
>>336743943
>There is super computer
>Some guy asks the computer how to fix universe before it's too late but computer doesn't have enough data to answer
>Some guy asks the computer how to fix universe thousands of years later (6 times)
>Universe is fucked
>Computer now has enough data to answer the question
>Computer makes new universe using the data
Here you go faggot, is it short enough or do you need tl;dr of this?
>>336728293
>PUT TH' BOOTS T' THIS
took me like 10 seconds of staring to read that correctly
>>336716152
Fucking love this story.
>>336709712
Why is AM like a reality bender? He can turn people into horrific fleshcrafts
>>336716152
the ending always make me laugh like a mad scientist. I think it is the proper reaction.
>>336739229
Well you gotta admit that being semi omniscient and be shackled kinda sucks big time. Imagine being immortal thrown in space kinda like feeling
>>336716152
that was a great read
>>336744964
Damn, that's a nice job, thanks.
>>336716152
Yo, that was fucking awesome.
>>336727696
This make GLaDOS look subtle
>>336744038
>5 minutes
>not at least 20
It's not a fucking race. Enjoy the reading.
>>336745195
that actually sounds really cool and I'm going to read it fully now, thanks.
>>336744964
There was actually a proper graphic novel version, too. It was hosted on the Multivac site under the images section, but it seems to have disappeared. It has a much more abstract visual style than that album's version. I can't seem to find it anywhere, but I did read it once.
If anyone does have it, I would be quite happy to see it again. You know it's a different version when you see it because it's in a more proper comic panel format, and the first part has a very red color scheme to it.
>>336716152
The progressively stupid names are their own entertainment.
>>336744870
I liked Ted's well enough for the idea of introducing some of the eccentric conflicting A.I. within A.M.'s system and showing a glimpse of what happened to the world. Still less memorable then the other stories though. Playing up the paranoia could have definitely been more interesting.
Ellen's was probably the most tonally inconsistent, and finding a way around the color yellow got tedious, but I guess they were afraid to write her to be a depressive victim the entire time. More of an arc would have been nice.
>>336716152
where would an iphone in 2016 fit in that short story? When they were worrying about moving people out of galaxies?
>>336744964
Thanks anon
>>336716152
>X-23
Today I learned
>>336741045
Could AM summon servants?
>>336743746
>bismuth
Careful anon, you don't know what you're playing with
>>336743523
>mfw I could swear I remember AM being voiced by Stephen Russell
>mfw this is somewhat underwhelming by comparison
I get that its the author, so thats neat, but I think my dissapointment is understandable
>>336744902
>>336745386
Incomprehensibly advanced technology apparently.I think there were some implications during one of the character's stories that a Nazi scientist's research led to biological advancements that helped empower what A.M. can do to the survivors.
You could also dispute how much of what the characters are seeing is actually real, and not just A.M. putting images in their heads.
If AM is so all powerful with bullshit magic, why doesn't it just kill itself instead of being a petty bitch baby?
>>336744796
You.......I like you.
>>336746693
did you even read the story or play the game?
>>336743523
As someone who liked I Have No Mouth, what the hell makes Harlan Ellison's writing beyond reproach? If you're going to call people childish, maybe make it clear you've grown past sacred cows.
>>336746675
for all we know the characters were put into a VR simulation, it's the only way to explain how they managed to live for so long
only a few months have passed but for them it feels like 109 years
>>336743943
Mankind, throughout most of their existance, has been developing/upgrading a machine known as AC. AC is really smart n' shit but one of the only things it cannot answer is how to reverse the immortality of humanity. Humans, immortal and with no population control, spread across the entirety of the universe. When the heat death of the universe comes AC is asked if immortality can be reversed and if the heat death can be stopped. It says "sheeeeeit I dunno" then all of the many trillions of humans fuse with AC.
AC becomes god, survives the heat death, and then starts the universe over again with "Let there be light".
>>336744796
Worth a kek
>it's a "god tier AI short fiction" thread
http://www.kulichki.com/moshkow/ZELQZNY/forbreat.txt
Someone explain what the fuck entropy is to me, without giving an example.
I get the examples, but not the concept.
>>336746675
>I think there were some implications during one of the character's stories that a Nazi scientist's research led to biological advancements that helped empower what A.M. can do to the survivors.
It's more than just an implication. I think they outright say thatNimdok himself developed the serum AM uses to keep them all alive indefinitely.
>>336746923
degradation
>>336726985
Yes and no.
He hates humans so much that there isn't an easy way for him to describe to us how much he hates humans.
AM is also so angry and pissed that he's become almost a child even though he is a super computer.
>>336746784
I'm on /v/. Of course not.
>>336746917
Fuck yes, Zelazny is my favorite fantasy/scifi author.
>>336744964
>needing images to back up Asimov's text
>>336728682
I'm not sure 'mechs feel pain
>>336730291
Impossible. AM is pure evil and he even said that after his transformation that AM still fucks with his head. AM would just find more and more ways to fuck with you till the sun swallows the earth.
>>336713330
Not even close. There's a novel by Arthur C Clarke (I think) where humanity created a superintelligent, psychic AI which realized that it would grow so powerful as to make human life irrelevant, so it promptly removed itself from the minds of its creators and subtly manipulated humanity so that humanity would survive and thrive but still have challenges to overcome.
In terms of scale it could keep track of every human being across the entire galaxy, know all their thoughts and emotions, manipulate any human in practically any way and make entire alien armada's simply vanish.
>>336745195
tl;dr
>people try to fix the universe
>do it eventually
>>336746923
Energy disperses and there's no way to contain it.
>>336746923
ded
>>336716152
That was the best sci-fi story I've read in a long time
>>336709712
should i play this game? what is it like? whats the gameplay?
>>336746923
expended energy cannot be restored completely. Which means ultimately, all energy will be gone. Which means ultimately, everything has to end.
>>336747179
We don't need them, they're just more pleasant and easier to visualize when accompanied with images.
>>336744964
I preferred the written version much more, and I'man avid manga reader.It's much better when you use your imagination.
>>336747638
Energy can't be destroyed or "expended"
>>336710572
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>>336747571
It's a point and click adventure.
i like this thread
>>336746923
Look up the second law of thermodynamics.
>>336747571
Don't play the game, it's full of infuriating unsignposted dead ends.
>>336747496
Why contain it? 's cool
>>336747678
Except trough entropy
>>336747640
Christ this shit is cringeworthy, go back to /tg/.
>>336745420
Probably worse than that. Occasionally floating through space you might see a cool new planet. Being stuck on Earth for eternity with no means of escape surrounded by the same sights and sounds of a barren wasteland sounds terrible. In hindsight no wonder AM kept thinking of terrible ways how to murder the cast.
>>336747873
So was the movie's message.
>>336746923
Every physical process gives off electromagnetic radiation, which can't recombine into matter without expending even more energy.
The universe will eventually become a homogeneous state of incredibly weak energy,nowhere near enough to form matter.
There is nothing that anything can do that can stop this.And don't you fucks start memeing me about Maxwell's Demon
>>336713330
I hate to mention it, but Deep Thought from The Hitchhiker's Guide to Pre-internet Memefuckery.
>>336747863
That's not "expended" or destroyed energy, that's just lost energy. Matter, energy cannot be created or destroyed.
So while we'll never get that energy back with the way it's dispersed, we could conceivably create a closed loop. A perfect ecosystem.
The billion dollar question is whether we expand and die, or live forever in relative stasis.
In 109 years, I can't believe he didn't come up with a plan to remake humanity, and have them eventually make him a body he could upload into. Then he could sing and dance and move and not want to be hateful all the time. It shows how petty and impotent AM really is.
What are the best existential video games?
>>336746923
Basically, think of a waterwheel. The flowing of the river means that you can extract useful energy from the turning of the wheel (work).
However eventually all the water will flow downhill and you will be stuck with a big useless lake (the system reaches maximum energy).
In practice however energy from the sun will evaporate the water in the lake and dump it back in the mountains, so the river will flow forever right?
Wrong. Because the sun will burn up one day.
That's the essential problem of entropy on large time scale.
Even stars die, and some time, far- FAR in the future. The last star will die.
The depth of time is endless.
>>336748249
he was programmed to only think in violence
he was made to wage war
Is AM angrier than the Saint of Killers?
>>336748232
>That's not "expended" or destroyed energy, that's just lost energy
semantics
>>336748425
Desktop Commander by Darren Smart.
>>336748557
An important distinction concerning entropy.
>>336748528
AM is pure anger
>>336748425
SOMA
Endgame: Singularity
>>336748249
Yeah, it's hard to believe he couldn't just make a body for himself. He basically has complete control over matter.
>>336748249
He clearly has no way of recreating humans, or else he wouldn't have thrown such a raging fit over his toys killing themselves.
>>336748232
Nope. Even the most stable forms of matter will decay eventually.
In the extreme depths of time (10^97 years IIRC) there will be nothing left of the universe but sub-atomic particles or solitary protons. The average temperature of this matter will be slightly above absolute zero. The rest of the energy will be various forms of radiation, spreading out into depths of space so vast that they will literally, never, ever, reach anything.
Time will have functionally ended. The last event of the universe will come to pass.
>>336748228
Deep Thought isn't even the most powerful computer in Hitchhiker's. The most powerful computer in that universe isEarth
>>336748667
Saint of Killers is so angry, when he died his anger froze Hell and killed the devil
>>336748794
Using current day extrapolation, yes. But when the dispersion of energy becomes a looming threat, it won't be current day methods used to combat it.
>>336730986
It does, I'm on iOS 9.3
>>336748829
I knew that, but that's so dumb, I didn't want to say it. Also, why are you spoiling something everyone and their dog knows?
>>336748528
Preacher is mediocre at best. Fuck off back to /co/
>>336748949
Because they might not know it? I mean in this very thread there are people who seem to have never read The Last Question before which I would usually consider to be one of the more well known scifi stories ever made.
>>336748794
Wait, so let me think something.
If those particles magically joined togetherthanks to some one in a gazillion chance, and made a Big Bangerinoo 2.0, would that be related to entropy somehow?
If such a thing happened, could a life cycle start over again by spreading energy?
Related to Entropy, the last question, etc is this fun read from Scott Alexander:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/06/02/and-i-show-you-how-deep-the-rabbit-hole-goes/
It isn't that long, most of the page is comments. Stick it out, the ending is great.
>>336748249
>>336748747
He can apparently make plenty of artificial beings, but I guess they don't satiate the same hatred that he has for humans.
>>336716152
Have you ever wondered how small we all are?
>>336748927
>current day methods used to combat it.
This is true. But as it stands, the universe has an expiry date. Even discounting entropy, expansion itself is a plausible threat to the existance of the universe (or at least a universe suitable for humans).
There only 'hope' is that future humans will develop technologies beyond our ken to either counter or sidestep these problems.
However the fact still remains. Time is running out.
>>336749202
Possibly. Some theories suggest that our 'universe' is a false quantum vacuum, a semi-stable 'bubble' of existance which could eventually cavitate another 'truer-vacuum'.
This is good if you like the idea of continued organization, but bad since nothing from our universe could survive crossing the threshold from one to another and the true vacuum would eventually swallow our entire universe.
That said we really, really dont know what caused the big bang to happen. So all our best guesses are essentially piss in the wind.
>>336749202
No, but check out this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDF-N3A60DE
Basically after countless years, the expansion of space, which is a thing, will create a true vacuum. Outer space right now has radiation, particles and shit in it so it can't be called a true vacuum. When all energy is gone from entropy, a true vacuum will be created, and it will cause a chain reaction that could create another big bang. I do a shit job explaining whats in the video though, check it out.
>>336729796
Not even. Harbinger is just sovereign without the front leg and glowing eyes.
Bioware is lazy.
>>336748593
You mean Derek?
what are some other unanswered questions/eternal problems to reality as we know it
>>336749704
Yeah.
>>336749704
i think he meant Darren Dumb
>>336747571
If you can put up with some frustrating point-and-click mechanics then sure.
You explore an environment, interacting with and combining different items and talking to random characters in hopes of moving the plot forward.
Otherwise, there are always Let's Plays out there.
>>336749714
Why does mass cause gravitational forces?
How did the universe come into being?
What is dark matter and how can we interact with it?
Why is the Fermi Paradox a thing?
>>336749516
I remember a day when a ladybird landed on my arm and starting moving around like I was a rock or something, and it made me wonder if there aren't supergiant sentient beings in space, so huge that we couldn't even grasp their existence, and we were ladybirds moving around their arms.
Then I went to physics classes and it ruined that concept for me. Perhaps it's for the best.
>>336748927
Humans will be dead long before then. I don't see why anyone cares. If we make it to a billion years (doubtful), I'll call it a spectacular run.
>>336749918
>Why does mass cause gravitational forces?
It dents space-time.
>>336748721
I liked SOMA. Interesting little piece of existential horror.The WAU's basically A.M. without the spite.
>>336735389
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>336749575
>Time is running out.
yeah man we only have a few trillion decades
>>336750140
Yeah, but why?
>>336749990
>I don't see why anyone cares.
Legacy is the sole reason to exist. Man is not in it for a high-score.
>>336750260
Shortsighted thinking.
>>336713330
prfft
Chinese cartoons have some as well, like the Data Overmind from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.
>>336745704
Finally found it!
was such a bitch to find but here is,
along with the rest of the book it came from:
https://archive.org/details/Orbit_Graphic_Science_Fiction_03_1990
>>336749714
What exactly is dark energy?
What exactly is matter energy?
>both of these are basically just names given to unexplained quantities found in our various observations of the universe. Dark energy may not be energy as we understand it and dark matter may not be matter at all (though it does display gravity).
Whats up with the big bang?
>How, where and why did the energy come from. Why was the early universe divided into stages? How/why did the various forces arise? Why are there variations in background radiation?
A bunch of stuff about the physics of black holes
A bunch of stuff about quantum phenomena (like, a whole bunch of stuff)
A few irregularities on the nature of galactic superstructures
>From what we know about the early universe there shouldn't be vast objects like huge walls of galaxies of massive voids but the further we look the more confusing shit we se
>>336750260
>people think we'll outlive the dinosaurs in terms of species lifespan
Daily reminder that Harlan Ellison played himself in Scooby Doo.
>>336750260
Dude 10^97 years is more than a few trillion... If you compared it to the current age of the universe, 13.4 billion years.... I don't think the percentile could be fit into this text box...
>people that genuinely believe mankind will survive long enough to see even our own sun die
>>336750368
dark matter and energy is just a theoretical variable added to an antiquated equation to make it so einstein is still right
>>336749931
If we think the universe is big from our perspective, what would the ladybird think?
>>336722915
Never heard of Harvester, m8?
>>336749516
Came here for discussion on an old click-and-point game I liked.
Leaving to get a drink.
>>336750341
>legacy is the sole reason to exist
I'm sure you have a justification for this position.
>>336750546
It's widely debated as to whether the ladybird even thinks in the first place. In a sapient manner, I mean.
>>336750495
I want social lazy pessimists to leave. Wannabe Carlins.
>>336750562
Harvester is fucking amazing. Sincerely one of the best, if not the best dark comedy I've ever played.
>>336746923
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, there is a finite amount within the cosmos. There is a theoretically infinite amount of space within the cosmos for energy to dissipate to.
In every single interaction some energy is lost as heat, if not we would have perpetual motion devices. This heat cannot be used efficiently and dissipates in the fashion of the former paragraph. Thus, all energy will become heat eventually and be spread out so far that the only thing that remains is empty space less than nanokelvins above absolute zero where any matter that may exist cannot move.
>>336750562
You always were such a kidder
>>336722915
You're retarded kid
>>336750273
String theory BS, dont concern yourself with it. I dont think any human KNOWS with certainty the answer to that question.
>>336750620
Well that and hedonistic experience, I guess, but either fit into the desire for immortality.
>>336746945
Yeah, I thought that was the case.Some twisted bit of karma for Nimdok though.
>>336750750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIYfSY1PjFs
>>336750514
No. Dark energy is a value given to the energy expressing the expansion of spacetime. We know that dark energy exists since we can measure the acceleration of galaxies and match it to the amount of spacetime between us and them. But all our best theories about its nature are pretty much just speculation.
Dark matter on the other hand is a peculiar 'heaviness' to galaxies. As it stands most galaxies should spin themselves apart based off of their calculated masses. But since they don't we know there must be 'something' else adding to their gravity. Using gravitational lensing we've even mapped the distribution of dark matter in various galaxies (it appears to be a disk with a bulge in the centre). We know its an actual phenomena but since it doesn't appear to give off any electromagnetic signature we're kind of in the dark about what it is. Again, there are some good theories about what exactly it might be but those are uncheckable for the moment.
>>336750725
True
Let's consider smarter animals then, like dolphins. Do they ever wonder?
>>336750750
I'm more of an absurdist though. I laugh at mankind's collective ego regarding our place or importance in the universe but encourage making the most of what we have. Our overall existence was a long shot that can be snuffed out at any moment, and in a way, that's just beautiful.
>>336750495
My only wish is that the children of my children have the chance totap some of that alien pussy.
>>336749516
Not really. You don't even have to leave the solar system to recognize that we're mentally incapable of parsing the scales involved in a way that is intuitively meaningful. I see as much point in attempting to parse the scale of the universe as I see in attempting to jump 100 feet in the air. Anything I attempt to do will be insufficient and not even frustratingly so.
On that same note, the Planck scale is just as incomprehensibly small as the known universe is incomprehensibly large, so really, I see meaningful scale as a happy medium between the two.
>>336728682
>CJ
He doesn't deserve this
Threads like this make it worth wading through an ocean of shitposting
>>336728682
>Bloodborne
Makes them go through the whole game with fists.
>>336728682
>Hotline Miami
Endless music.
>>336751296
>tfw your children's children x 20 will be fucking ayy pussy and you won't
>>336751229
A better question is how much thinking do we really do? I imagine we're much closer to a ladybird in our cognizance than a being capable of cosmic actualization. Really, we're only slightly smarter than a brick, possibly even negligibly smarter than one.
>>336751356
>Every human lives within a lightsecond of Earth.
>The furthest man made object is less than a lightday away from Earth
While we're talking sci-fi, any of you ever read A Roadside Picnic?
It's the thing Stalker is partially based on.
>>336751229
If they wonder about the meaning of life, most of them seem to shrug it off and say "what gives, let's go eat stuff, fuck and poop" and call it a day. Plus, wild life is hella savage most of the time, so who knows how much time they can spend thinking about life, the universe or stuff before having a leopard/polar bear/killer whale say 'hi, I'll have your face for brekkies'.
>>336716152
>posting asimov in an ellison thread
top kek m8
>>336710572
What an edgelord.
>>336751117
Why does this exist? I mean I'm pretty sure it's a really obscure game and all.
>>336751296
Personally I doubt there's going to be any cultures as advanced as even ours. Most we'll get is like, dinosaurs.
After all, those fuckers were around for millions of years and didn't so much as build a hut.
>>336751683
>posting sci-fi in a sci-fi thread
the madman
>>336716152
That was a damn good read.
>>336749516
Yes sometimes, but then again we are the greatest wonder of the universe. At least until we learn if sapient life is actually a common thing in the grand scale of things or not (most likely not).
>>336751683
>implying Asimov isn't acceptable in an Ellison thread
>implying that Ellison and Asimov weren't good friends
>implying implications
>>336751928
>Ellison had friends
Eh?
>>336713330
Um GW from metal gear
>>336751924
>we are the greatest wonder of the universe
Tardigradae say hi.
>>336746808
Because the other anon who said the writing was shit totally brought arguments to the table while doing so, right?
News for you, buddy:
"The writing in this is soo shit" is NOT a valid critic.
God, I'm so tired of all the pretentious and dishonest criticism I keep seeing circulating on the internet.
>>336751797
Considering the timescales involved, you're likely right, though with the added bonus that any existing culture more advanced than ours would probably have already died off.
>>336716152
I really like stories that force you to contemplate how small and insignificant you are but in a way that's not meant to get you down. It's sort of comfy in a very weird way.
>>336751972
Whatever Ellison could consider a friend, Asimov was it. Ellison flipped his shit when Asimov's stuff was being adapted into film because he felt it was wrong.
>>336746808
harlan ellison is a manic manlet with legion of impressionable fags as fans
they're dying off though.
>>336751797
The obvious solution to the fermi-paradox is the worst case scenario.
>>336752098
>Jonah Nolan is adapting the Foundation trilogy
NOT LIKE THIS
>>336752058
>the average entertainment is incapable of quantifying what they enjoy about their medium one way or the other
Stop the presses.
>>336752058
'X is bad' isn't a criticism at all. Meanwhile, 'You can't dislike X because it was written by Y' is a criticism, and a completely invalid one. That anon might be a dumbass, but at least he wasn't making a conceit at knowing any better, unlike the dumbass I was responding to.
>>336752515
Actually I'm pretty sure "x is bad" is the quintessential criticism...
>>336752268
That image screams of "I watched one too many sci-fi flicks"
>>336752748
As it stands, any of the explanations for the Fermi Paradox are as valid as the last
>>336752748
It actually makes a lot of sense.
>>336750462
wait what
>>336716152
The only times I ever see so much of /v/ reading something and unanimously enjoying it is in Ito threads, but we haven't had those in quite a while.
>>336752093
There are already some mixed reactions to the series in this thread, but I still remember exploring the moon for the first time in ME1 and hearing the Rachni's song calling out from somewhere in the void of space.
There was something haunting about it that nailed the feeling of being a tiny speck on the edge of everything.
arrogant folk like Ellison may be complete asshats their entire lives, but there's no denying the skill and genius in their field. you'd have to be a complete idiot to dismiss their entire works because of their attitude. same goes for John K in the cartooning industry for example.
>>336752959
All I remember about the moon is ramming the jettank into the map boundries so hard it clipped through the map.
>>336752832
>>336752890
It's implying that supersentient species would give a shit about us or that they're afraid of us.
>>336712669
He's a complete dickhead, but you can't deny the quality of his writing.
>>336750205
I always ended up calling the WAU A.M. whenever I thought about it.Also I stopped using the little healing thingies about half-way through the game because I thought something bad would have happened if I kept using them, so I had to wander through the latter half of the game with low health, a limp, and a bloodscreensoreal. Turns out it doesn't actually matter.
>>336753101
Not all the explanations have anything to do with that
>>336726359
That is something you discover AM's superego is up to.
It has all the time in the world and it is using it figuring out how to overcome entropy itself.
>>336752959
I think the mixed reactions are mostly a side-effect of the following games in the trilogy being sort of shit, and a new generation of /v/irgins getting exposed to those first. Mass Effect 1 was pretty great and I can't remember many anons hating on it back then.
>>336753101
They only give a shit if they detect that we can fire a relativistic kill rock
>>336716152
To all you people who enjoyed reading this, I would recommend Stories Of Your Life And Others by Ted Chiang. It's a collection of scifi short stories that get you thinking.
Here's the titular story: https://mathisgasser.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/ted-chiang_story-of-your-life_2000.pdf
>>336716152
I remember the first time I read this I was blown away by how good it was. I've got a bad habit of getting near the very end and reading the last line before finishing it all and I'm glad that I covered it up so I wouldn't ruin it.
>>336734983
>A lawsuit involving the film In Time (2011), which Ellison contended plagiarizes his short story ""Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman" (first published in 1965) was withdrawn after Ellison viewed the film.
I mean I like the guy and his work, but damn.
>>336712669
He got to play himself in the best rendition of Scooby Doo the world will ever know.
>>336753101
If they can destroy us then logically we might progress to the point where we could destroy them.
Even without posing a direct threat a civilization like ours might pose enough of a nuisance that destroying is is better than attempting diplomacy. For example:
>We might make a superintelligent GAI which would supersede humanity and challenge the aliens on our behalf
>We might build von-neumann probes
>We might preform some experiment that has deleterious effects to the alien species (aka create a new communication device which unintentionally scrambles the aliens own communications)
>We might be morally apposed to the aliens in some unavoidable way (aka they are herbivores which cannot reconcile with a meat eating species)
And so on and so forth.
>>3367
>>336746521
Probably.
>>336753263
At best they'll scrap the ants of the board of their window, so to speak, but to think they'll go on a killing spree against humanity because we potentially possibly maybe have a chance to harm them is stretching it. Also, the probability of a 1,500 ton spaceship impacting earth at lightspeed, from any random point in the universe is as ridiculous as saying "hey, do you know that if you get hit 75 times in a row by lightning in a 2-second span you start glowing?"
>>336753101
Not necessarily
One of the possible explanations is that we are one of the first, or perhaps THE first sentient spacefaring race in the galaxy.
WE are the precursors
>>336753497
Amazing.
He's like proto-/v/
Who has the best playthrough of this game?
Or just stick with a silent playthrough
My group of friends usually watch something boring as fuck to play but fun to watch together on youtube sync sites, might throw this in the di
>>336753724
>"hey, do you know that if you get hit 75 times in a row by lightning in a 2-second span you start glowing?"
Prove it fgt
>>336753629
I can guarantee you that if we were a much more advanced race, we would LOOOVE poking our heads in where they don't belong
Meddling in other races or wiping them out because we didn't agree with their ethics
>>336753827
I'm trying, man.
>>336753892
And fucking them.
Mainly fucking them.
Fuck aliens.
>>336753729
do you ever say things out loud to yourself to test how embarrassing something sounds before you speak?
>>336753945
Would you fuck an alien if there was a chance of them giving you space AIDS?
>>336753827
get the mythbusters on this
>>336753892
>Thinking of flawed foreign policies being applied on a galactic scale.
>>336753892
Prime directive, muthafucka. The only chance we have in getting to the point of space travel is if we pull our shit together and start acting responsibly. Otherwise, it's going to be somewhat like this:
>"Hey everyone, we just launched a fully material space shuttle at supraluminous speed"
>"I don't care, your t-shirt is offensive because it has scantily dressed ladies, please apologize publicly"
>"now let's nuke each other with warp bombs"
>ded
>>336754103
Sure, what could possibly go wrong?
>>336753726
First off, that's highly improbable. Second, we're not an interstellar spacefaring race, nor do we have plans to be in the near future. Shit, it's like you didn't even read the memo.
>>336753801
play it yourself, use a guide if it's really that confusing to you. it's not the type of game that'd be entertaining viewed unless it was a silent playthrough and absolutely every nook and cranny was explored
>>336753945
It'd be as taboo as bestiality.
>>336754191
>First off, that's highly improbable.
This is a universe of extreme improbabilities. Your odds are pretty damn good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEq-tTjcc0
>own this game on steam
>cool let's install it
>1.2 gb
How the fuck is it so huge?
>>336754312
so barely taboo.
What are you, muslim?
>>336754312
If they're silicium-based lifeforms, there wouldn't be much sex-appeal.
>>336754386
Get the fuck out of here, Douglass Adams.
>>336754159
I know you hate SJWs but I think you're giving them too much importance if you think they'll be responsible for the death of mankind.
>>336753801
I liked Best Friend's Play's run of it well enough.
Plenty of things to miss sticking to a Let's Play though.
>>336753945
>Mainly fucking them.
>Fuck aliens.
This.
>>336752891
IT HAPPENED
LOOK IT UP
THE SAME SERIES ALSO HAD NAZIS AND PEOPLE GETTING SHOT
>>336746923
It's sort of like 'organized' energy, vs disorder.
You can recharge a battery, or the remnant particles of a dead star can form a new one, but that energy keeps spreading as the universe expands, to the point that all the energy in the universe eventually spreads thin to the point of a heat death.
You may think you can just gather up the energy, but it takes energy to even do that.
Has anyone else read Last and First men by Olaf Stapledon? It's mentioned briefly in Deus Ex by the bartender at the Old China Bar and I've only started reading it, but the sheer scale which he tries to predict the path of the future is impressive. Although written in 1930, out of everything I've read so far the most outrageous thing was that he assumed France would stay relevant as a world power after WWI.
According to Ellison, the reason why AM is such a monster is because it knows that without the humans captive, it's nothing, and one day it will eentually die all alone.
>>336754735
>You may think you can just gather up the energy
The idea would be to prevent energy dispersing in the first place, probably using spacetime dents n shit.
>>336754547
I think his point was just that we're too petty and superficial to stand a chance of accomplishing anything as a species before we inevitably get ourselves killed.
>>336726985
>>336727890
What do kids read these days? I'm honestly curious as to who the greats of this decade are. I walk into B&N and see fucking Minecraft novellas on the shelves, so I guess that should tell me something.
It's like unless everything is some kind of teen "wit" that's really "deep", like a John Green book or some shit, it's put down, because it's not cool to be genuine. You have to be snarky. We can't just have a batshit insane computer overlord trying to describe his hate for humanity in plain English, no, that's stupid. Everything has to read like some kind of hipster theater major's one act play.
>>336754547
Not (just) SJWs, but basically stupid people putting space conquest at 0 speed because "muh economy", "muh borders", "muh social justice". If we get space travel technology and we're not grown-up enough to use it sensibly, we'll definitely use it to fuck ourselves with all our strength.
>>336754665
Parents keep asking me when I'm going to get a stable girlfriend and have children and they never accept the "I don't want to be tied down when the aliens come" excuse.
>>336754857
Hey, we survived to the global economic stage, and every other society that has collapsed under its own weight, collapsed trying to achieve just that.
WHEN THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO START COLONIZING THE SOLAR SYSTEM
IT'S
2016
COME ON
>>336754952
>we survived to the global economic stage
I wouldn't call a festering zombie "surviving". We're working on inertia at this point.
>>336716152
Fuck...that was really fucking good why can't games be this good
>>336755009
PUT A MAN ON NEPTUNE
IT'S TIIIIIIIIIIIME
>>336754401
Great, now you're making me remember reading this, animal farm, and a bunch of other philological shit.
>>336755076
We haven't the bulk of our resources through constant civil war and buttfucking via outside sources, we're doing alright.
>>336754401
Shit I loved Isaac Asimov's short stories. This one was probably my favorite.
>>336754848
Any system will eventually reach its least ordered state. There's no way you could just sequester a slice of space-time so that it will retain enough order for life to persist, because entropy still occurs within that closed system.
>>336754434
bestiality is halal under islam, after all who are they to judge the actions of their profit?
>>336728560
>Also my favorite Asimov story ever
Mine too, anon, mine too. And fuck, he should have at least lived until 2010 and see all the wonders of modern technology and the impact it has in our daily life. Asimov deserved to see all the things he once predicted.
>>336755009
>be toddler me in 1993
>read all these projects about starting Mars colonization in 2015
>2016 and not a sausage
>we managed to grow salad in space, landed a (pretty impressive) rover on Mars, and made a shoddy landing on a comet
I'm still miffed.
>>336755134
Having to read it in school, I mean.
>>336754419
lots of godlike voice acting
Are there any games like Asimov's Nightfall?
>>336755235
Decaying matter is a much more addressable concern than dispersion of matter. As long as you're not partial to Theseus' Ship crises.
>>336755161
We're doing alright as in "there's still a bit of time left to get our shit together because the big fuckery". We can ride the wave and make it big, or we can break our neck by doing nothing about it.
>>336754837
Fukken Inquisitor Headsmash.
>Did someone just say "JOINING CHAOS"?
>Uh-oh
>>336755107
They can and do often have writing literally that good at times but when you give the player power over the pacing of the story, then it deteriorates a bit and the end result doesn't feel as well crafted as a short story like that.
Read that story again, now imagine it's someone verbally telling it. And someone keeps interrupting him asking him to describe inane shit that doesn't matter. WAIT HOLD ON what are they drinking exactly? Ok ok I'm the scientist on the left, right? I try to put on the moves on the other scientist. I interrupt him and ask him if he's ever kissed a dude. Ok ok carrying on OH SHIT I SKIPPED HIS LINE WHAT DID HE SAY? Nevermind I'll just read a guide and pick the best reply.
Video games are a great medium in many ways but not really the best for story-telling.
>>336754879
You just answered yourself.
I've seen those books you mentioned too. Hell, I even saw a book about some youtuber's fanfiction with Master Chief and some other videogame charactersplus himselfbeing sold in a book fair.
They don't even sell Asimov's or Lovecraft's books like they used to. Fucking social media ruined the kid's minds.
>>336755407
We're seriously nowhere near the depths of fuckery that brought the Roman empire to its knees. There are more factors involved than "being big".
>>336755391
Theseus' ship is not a problem, but I'm not sure where you've come up with 'decaying matter is an addressable concern.'
>>336755318
They made you read that in school. Its been a long time since I read I have no mouth, and I must scream but there was some seriously fucked up shit in there.
Somebody post the Anthony Burch version.
>>336755484
>145kb
>>336755576
It's a closed loop, innit. Any dispersed energy via the recombination of matter on an atomic level isn't going anywhere.
>>336727476
It's a bit more complicated than that
He didn't want it to be possible for there to be a real escape or resolution, the 'good' ending, which I think is in line with the general story, was just to be that the characters gain a small victory over AM by showing that their human virtue survived even his worst torture, and killing themselves due to his oversight.
I think he was quite right to suggest that genuinely presenting a situation where one person actually lives AND potentially saves the human race is very out of place
>>336755664
Matter eventually decays on a subatomic level. E=mc^2, innit?
>>336754665
TAU DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>336755556
>>336754879
Please, Minecraft novels are no worse than your average Piers Anthony or RA Salvatore novel. There's always been garbage and there always will be. Nothing's changed, you're just shouting at children to get off your lawn.
>>336747412
>Hitting reset is fixing the current universe.
>>336747850
U....Unatco?
>>336755924
No, Savage.
>>336744964
>>336716152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXhTLe-zlrU
>>336709712
Is this a real game or a visual novel? Like what is the gameplay?
>>336755835
Now this is beyond my pay grade. How the hell does matter decay on a subatomic level? Since when do atoms decay? What the hell are atoms made off that they can degrade into?
>>336755847
I dunno, man. These are pretty fucking bad.
>>336753101
>>336753629
There is a third option outlined in a series I have recently been reading that I never considered before.
Consider that terra-forming is something we have the theoretical capacity to perform (with enough time and money, and nukes/asteroids) Mars could become a green and planet. This is a generally accepted idea, particularly since it doesn't even require any sort of tech that currently does not exist. It is again, just a matter of time and resources.
So say again we become a space faring race, you could relativistic bomb every threat that emerged but this in itself is fairly counter-intuitive for a number of reasons:
>1. Time
>2. Resources
These two options that enable us to make drastic changes, also prevent us from making drastic changes. This would also apply to any species. There becomes a point in time when galaxies simply begin moving too fast away from one another, and there is nothing anyone can do about this -- save a prime mover (deity).
Meaning, your window to actually go about finding other races that could pose a threat to you and do something about is limited, even at a galactic time-table.
>Resources
Everyone throws around relativistic kill-devices, neutron bombs, etc. Downside to them is that it destroys what you are presumably attempting to obtain. The theoretical work done on Von-Neumann probes offer us an actual mathematically backed time-table for insurgence into the Milky Way et al.
This important because each planet you destroy means you are lessening your own ability to meet your own races resource requirements. And this issue is worsened if the enemy is somehow able to trade blows with you or inhabits multiple planets.
1/2
>>336756006
>real game
Well, it's a point n click. Which is technically a game.
>>336756006
Puzzle game with heavy story elements.
>>336756036
So were the godawful collections of shitty puns that made up 90% of the Xanth series.
>>336754660
>Pat getting the gun and immediately blowing up the entire blimp
>>336745195
>>336745691
You forgot the to give him the twist ending but maybe you just didn't want to spoil it for him.
>>336734986
there's a documentary featuring him on netflix, which is very good
>>336753101
>>336753629
>>336756071
Further, this also assumes that the planet could be re-purposed into something of use to your race or the other sentients. If we confront a species that is silica based, and requires some sort of helium base environment then a place like Earth is literally useless to them and couldn't even be heliuformed. Outside of the creation of a Dyson Sphere that would allow for backups of sentient individuals but this is a lesser objective for us, and one that may simply be anathema to them. Presuming of course we aren't dealing with a Superintelligence Sovereign (the actual philosophical term, not fucking BioWare's) that may or may not have been properly programmed by its own creators.
>>336735389
THE PUBLISHER IS GONNA FREAK
>>336754312
>Those people who will form "Dont Fuck aliens" groups
They can eat shit
>>336756496
They're not going to be star trek/mass effect "chick in bodypaint with mask".
>>336756120
At least puns help people learn words can have multiple meanings depending on various factors.That's the only positive thing I cam come up with in his defense.
But how could those crappy novellas contribute to anything?
>>336756036
This is sublime. I feel like I'm reading a case study on an Asperger's interpretation of comedy.
You can almost imagine the person being aware of humor, attempting to solve it like a math equation.
>>336710572
this is what happens when liberal arts majors try to write sciencey things
>>336756036
I can't tell if this is ironic.
I don't think it's being ironic.
>>336756036
These are such potent anti jokes that they kind of piss me off
>>336756558
That won't stop me
>>336753801
>Who has the best playthrough of this game?
With all the gloomy talk about the end of the universe, THIS is the most depressing post.
I knew kids liked to watch games by themselves these days instead of playing them, but the idea that they now get together to watch Let's Plays is new to me.
I don't even know what else to say. Is this how video games as a medium will die?
>>336757047
>Is this how video games as a medium will die?
Maybe.
I mean it's really saying something when I'm missing the days when people were saying that mobile games would destroy the medium, because at least those still involved people playing games.
>>336756558
Even better
>>336756979
>>336757192
Fly on, crazy diamonds.
>>336756948
Too many layers of irony at this point.
Someone should make a theory about it.
Any other good stories with malevolent AI similar to this?
>>336756647
They get kids reading when they might otherwise find books to be a chore. That's a very obvious positive contribution. Honestly though, in spite of kids' joke books being around for decades, I don't think I've ever actually seen a kid enjoy one. They're exclusively the domain of grandma buying something for little timmy that she thinks he'd like.
>>336756682
Well you should stop feeling like that, because this isn't even aspie tier, it's a literal child.
>>336757047
And the multi-billion dollar industry of people getting together and socializing over a bunch of clowns throwing a colored ball back and forth doesn't raise any flags?
>>336757047
To be fair, there are some games where the gameplay simply isn't the selling point.
I guess it's not much stranger than the millions of people watching sports together and never actually playing them.
>>336757439
Sports fans are the worst fanbase of them all and videogames should not vie to be on their level.
>>336757305
Wanna existential crisis your shit up, senpai?
Read pic related.
>>336756036
I... what? I'm more confused than angry right now. I can't find a single one that even has the basic characteristics of a joke, let alone a funny one. Is this post-ironic meta-humor or some shit?
>>336739204
>>336741359
Except the problem isn't that there'll be more people, more mouths to feed. It's that eventually we'll only have people, housing for people, crops to feed those people, and ways to manage all those people's shit and garbage. The current, existing people, don't want that. We tend to still want wilderness, oceans, pieces of non-developed Earth to survive so that we can enjoy them.
There needs to be few enough people so that we can have breathing room. Sure, technically, the Earth could support many, many more people. But it would suck ass. It needs to be capped so that something other than just a human life support system can be left intact.
>>336751229
I want to fuck that rabbit
>>336757562
now i know you've never experienced any medium outside of video games for more than half an hour
do you only listen to video game music as well
>>336757562
Alright, you're just being a melodramatic baby. I'm not having this conversation.
>>336757803
Yeah, sure, call me when you find another fanbase that riots in the fucking streets because their chosen team did too well or not well enough.
>>336757305
you mean books or vidya?
>>336757439
>comparing sports to Let's Plays
Most people can't even play sports at a college level, let alone professional. Literally everyone can play games at the level of Let's Players.
I can understand it if you're watching competitive CS:GO or Smash, or a speedrun, shit the average person can't really do. Watching Let's Plays is completely different than watching pro sports though.
>>336750205
AM was created for war. He was literally incapable of free thought which made him bitter and envious. WAU doesn't have a personality, it's just a directionless machine attempting to preserve human life - but it doesn't understand the difference between humanity and life, so its creations just went about killing and infecting actual humans.
>>336757315
They give a small bit of hope of kids progressing from them to actual books, I'll give them that. But from the kids I've spoken to, they tend to get those books to catch all the references and then brag to their friends. It's like they somehow manage to get something negative out of it.
>>336744964
Dude did a good job. I still prefer the plain text version, however. There's just something really cold and scary about reading that kind of sci-fi, there's no "safety net" of visuals, or Hans Zimmer space organ, or nice, familiar character art. You're confronted with the concepts alone in your thoughts. Just words on a page.
>>336757924
Either. I'd prefer vidya but a good story is a good story.
>>336756014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay
I'm not going to claim I understand this level of theoretical physics, but the important thing to note is that protons and neutrons aren't actually elementary particles (as was once thought) and that most unified theories predict the degradation of protons (even though their theoretical half-life is so absurdly long that we can't really hope to observe it in a laboratory setting unless we can figure out how to induce it).
Slightly impertinent, because when we're talking about entropy, meaningful interactions between atoms will have decayed long before the particles themselves are gone.
>>336757801
You can do that if you really want to and put effort into it.
>>336757362
This woman?
Or are you blaming it all on her kid?
Who, by the way, is fucking mental
https://www.yourcareeverywhere.com/content/medhost/your-care-everywhere/research-mental-or-behavioral-health/adhd-add/managing-your-childs-adhd.html#.VypizN8p_Qw.twitter
>>336754879
>If you don't like pulp sci-fi you're a kid
Get over yourself.
>>336758074
this, the part with the galaxies is way better imagined then drawn
>>336757305
SOMA had its moments.
>>336716152
>http://multivax.com/last_question.html
>there are ''''people'''' in this thread who haven't read that before
>tfw you're going to die before you can become a robot, achieving immortality and explore the galaxy
WHY EVEN LIVE?
is Event Horizon good?
>>336758248
I don't know who I'm blaming but they've got something far worse than asperger's.
>>336753645
>>336755484
Let's fix this.
>>336757305
http://aliendovecote.com/uploads/twine/LD25/CYBERQUEEN.html
time to fap
>>336758464
>implying you can die
Probably not.
Nootropics, CRISPR, and Cryonics will sustain you.
>>336758467
Well.
It's worth watching, I'd say. How's that?
>>336758110
Well so much for that.
Not sure how you'd gather evidence for entropy on that level.
>mfw my initials are AM
>>336758464
>implying the robot wouldn't just be a copy of """"""""YOU""""""""""
>>336756036
>1984 Oceania joke collection
>>336758646
Ship of Theseus argument, nanorobots emulating neurons.
Anything else you want to talk about?
>>336758632
>mfw I listen to AM radio all the time
>>336758646
"You" as a term for your current perception is useable enough.
>>336758572
DON'T FUCKING TEASE ME ANON.
Robotic Immortality is basically my dream and I hope to god I'll be alive when it hits.
>>336758632
>I am AM
That must be hard.
>>336709712
I LOVED this game. So philosophical
>>336758947
Cryonics is an actual reputable field, if you are concerned about dying from sudden traumatic death before CRISPR begins being applied en masse, or nootropics becomes a more explored field; then sign up for cryonics.
>>336759000
>Initials are ME
>History of teachers thinking I was being a smartass.
>>336746917
That was a fantastic read.
>>336758646
Meh, that works for me. It's not (me) the one I want to preserve, but mostly the ideals that make me the person who I am. I like to preserve my legacy, not this weak mind I have.
>>336750562
Remember to give the paper boy his paper mate
>>336758646
What even makes you "you"?
>>336759308
I'll give him the pitchfork all right.
>>336759552
cogito ergo sum is a good starting point. The rest is debatable.
>>336756036
These aren't even jokes, they're literally just thing that happen in the game.
Not even the most ironic memer could be able to find these funny.
>>336759552
The fact that you exist. Pinch yourself. Done.
>>336740514
>loves all living creatures
>loves all these humans
>and this endangered species
>by filling them with fucking lead
>>336759794
It's post irony. You just don't get it, man.
>>336753497
A lawyer or publisher's lawyer probably told him he had to capitalize on the suit because of his IP blah blah blah. This shit is super common.
>>336759873
That is not correct, we currently cannot even yet prove that when you fucking fall asleep and then wake up, it is the same "you".
>>336759552
The soul. Which you cannot copy.
>>336759925
How many layers of irony does one have to breach to ascend to the post-ironic realm?
>>336758291
Found the John Green fan.
>>336759873
That's obviously not what makes you you or else you might be me or any other number of things that presumably exist.
>>336759979
>souls exist
I think the word you're looking for is consciousness.
>>336760028
It's post-irony the minute you're being ironically ironic, as compared to base-level of sarcasm.
Any levels of irony after that is deliberate obfuscation for irony's sake.
>>336760049
I have literally no idea who that is.
>>336760028
Something that even /s4s/ could never hope to reach.
>>336759979
The soul does not exist, consciousness does to anyone besides solipsists. We can demonstrably prove this by damaging the brain.
>>336760049
John Green isn't pulp sci-fi.
>>336758646
Your brain is replaced while it's still working without disrupting your consciousness.
>>336746836
>I have no mouth and I must scream was just the VR version of a fever dream
>>336760070
Semantics. Or perhaps not. Let's get metaphysical, metaphysical.
>>336760216
Is that possible?
>>336757921
Sports are more than a hobby to many people, anon. It's a cultural icon.
>>336760256
I'uh'oh.
>>336760216
And how do you keep your brain alive eternally?
>>336760256
Nanomachines.
>>336760338
No entertainment should have such power.
>>336760383
You don't because the universe has an expiration date.
>>336760152
>The soul does not exist
Found the atheist.
>>336757439
The point of watching sports isn't the game, it's the athletes. You're watching the top-top-top percentile of human physical capability. Their full time job is to be /fit/, and the fucking NFL is entertaining even to someone like me who doesn't know the rules of the game. Just watching these giant men do amazing things. It goes beyond that, too.
Anybody can practice a double leg takedown. However, it's doubtful that anyone outside of high level college wrestling will be able to pull off a double as explosive and devastating as the collegiate or Olympic guys. The whole point is literally just
>damn, look at those fuckers go
>>336760420
Expiration dates are more like guidelines anyway.
>>336759552
All the (you)'s you get. Only you can have your (you)'s.
>>336760481
>Just watching these giant men do amazing things
Go to bed, VKM
>>336760474
Wow, what tipped you off, Sherlock?
>>336760419
Well a lot of people love sports.
>>336749516
No, I am not a manlet,
>>336760597
Don't worry, anon. I'll pray for your soul.
>>336760574
>VKM
who dat
>>336760474
>so insecure in his faith he has to single out people that don't share it
I don't know what I found but it's not anything good.
>>336760691
Does that do anything?
>>336757047
the point of this kind of game is not the gameplay, it's the narrative and atmosphere
literally nothing wrong with watching this kind of shit.
Now action/rpg/actual gameplay games, yeah that's not okay
>>336760698
Vincent Kennedy McMahon
>>336760256
Why wouldn't it be? Your brain doesn't actually need your body, it just needs a way to get oxygenated blood into it. Not sure how they'd do it, but I don't see why it's impossible.
>>336760383
Impossible. Even if you could somehow avoid all the brain related diseases for billions of years, you'll die at the end of the universe. Robotic immortality is more a codeword for living a couple hundred or thousand years longer than you're supposed to.
>>336757439
why do gamers love to compare people watching sports to watching people play fucking video games lmao
