I'm playing the first Dark Souls for the first time. I'm loving it so far and I think I'm coming close to completion.
Do you guys recommend I skip the second game and go straight to the third? For the time being I'm only going to purchase either the third or second.
The second is perfectly fine, /v/ just hates it because it's a maymay to do so.
holy shit that art is almost as bad as another git gud thread
>>336702178
You can skip the second one if you want. The story is kinda its own thing, while the third is a direct sequel to the first with references to the second.
As far as gameplay goes, opinions on /v/ are heavily divided. I strongly dislike how DaSII platys, so I would recommend that you play DaSIII instead, especially since its the most active.
How should I get into the souls games? What game should I start with?
Third because multiplayer is not dedyet
>>336702178
Play Scholar of the First Sin and ignore vanilla DS2.
It's a good game but doesn't compare to the first. I also wouldn't jump to the third until playing Bloodborne.
>>336702178
I say play the second, especially with the DLC. /v/ always complains about it, but I really enjoy it. I love the world and the new lore and 2-3 of the bosses are my favorite of the series.
>>336702816
I, unfortunately , don't have a ps4 and dont plan to get one anytime soon. Though, I'm really interested in playing Bloodborne.
>>336702261
>>336702178
No, 2 is a vast improvement over 1. You only hear complaints about it on /v/ because everybody here is abysmal at video games.
>>336703540
>le cherrypicked single instance
>>336703540
>implying this dumb shit isn't in all of the games
>>336703667
there there, lad
>>336702596
Probably start with Dark Souls the first one. I haven't played Demon Souls but I heard they're bull shit. Bloodborne is a lot of fun too.
>>336702596
If you can play Demon Souls, then that's the one you should start with. Otherwise, probably the third one, since the multiplayer isn't dead.
>>336702178
Skip the second one. It's pretty mediocre.
>>336703540
>>336703741
>>336703540
Still not as bad as some of Oceiros charges in his second phase, where even the tip of his tail has a massive aoe shockwave
>>336704930
DaS2's hitboxes are much worse than this.
>>336702178
Dark Souls 2 might as well be considered a spin-off game
3 feels like much more of a sequel to 1 than 2 ever did
and 3 basically ignores all of DS2's plot anyway, and only makes a few references here and there to the OK stuff in the game
Play Dark Soul 2 because it's actually better than DaS1 but /v/ couldn't beat the game so they call it shit to justify skipping it, lmao.
>>336705309
2 feels much more like a proper sequel where 3 is just Pander Souls
>>336702483
>especially since its the most active.
Opinions aside, you will miss out on the extremely high playerbase if you wait to play Dark Souls 3. As of right now, it takes seconds to find a person to invade or coop with. This will change in time.
>>336702261
Don't listen to shitters like this. Their taste is literally so shit they think anyone who doesn't agree with their shit taste is meming.
Skip 2, you won't miss anything.
>>336702178
Only thing DaS2 did right was pvp and the DLC
I'd say play 3 first, it's still not as good as the first but better than the second where pve is concerned.
If you're still itching for more DaS when you are done go ahead and play SOTFS
>>336705228
>>336702178
I recommend you play all of them, it's probably fair to say that 2 is the worst in the series but it's not nearly as bad as /v/ makes it out to be, it's still a decent souls game. The dlc in particular, is very good even compared to the other games.
>>336705228
stop lying
>>336702596
Start with Demon's Souls. If you don't have a PS3 then start with Dark Souls. If you only have a PS4 start with Bloodborne.
>>336706601
this doesn't help your case, it looks like it should have hit him 3 times over
>>336706601
>almost every enemy in souls 3 has infinite stamina cheat codes like this motherfucker
Fuck the Pontiff Knights.
>>336702596
>DeS (optional)
>DaS1
>DaS2 (optional, you would probably be better off skipping it entirely)
>DaS3
>BB (optional)
BB should be last because I've heard people complaining about DS feeling clunky in comparison because it's so much faster.
>>336702178
Go with 3, definitely. Play it before the online stuff dies out, and also because it's better.
>>336707543
pls
>>336703540
>>336702596
You should play Demon's first, everyone says it's the best of the series but it's just nostalgia. The game is really good, but if you were to play it last you'd really notice how old and dated it is in comparison with the more recent souls games.
You should probably leave Souls 2 and Bloodborne for last because they're different from Dark Souls 1 and 3, Dark Souls 3 feels like Dark Souls 1 2.0, where as Souls 2 tried to do many things different.
>>336707747
Two of those are exclusive to only one console. Ain't nobody got time for that.
If you'd end up buying both I'd say buy 2 + DLCs then 3, but if you'll only play one go for 3.
>>336708089
This nigga knows what's what.
>>336702178
No, and anyone who tells you to is a fucking retard. 2 is fine. If you like Dark Souls at all you will like 2.
>>336702178
In my opinion, yes. It has to be one of the worst games I've ever played. It's not even a good game, it's just terrible. The DLC it's not too bad, though.
>>336707747
Who in their right mind would buy 2 consoles for 2 games though? Sure if you already own both of those consoles then you have no excuse, but that's not the point.
>>336707492
>if it's a "DaS1 webm where lance goes over the head", it's good
>if it's DaS2, it's bad
Ok.
>>336702178
2 is still good, but 3 is way better.
>>336708245
Welcome to /v/
>>336702178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI
>>336708239
Do you think those are the only games on those consoles or something?
Well maybe it is for Bloodborne right now, but that's temprorary.
Play them all + DLCs. DLCs are godtier.
And then come back here and tell us what do you think is the best souls game.
>>336707961
This is the biggest fucking tragedy. Not even Bloodborne, just Demon Souls. Just put Demon Souls on PS4 jesus fuck you Sony
>>336707750
Quit Dark Souls after fighting this boss. Worst in vidya game history I think.
>>336706513
>das2 pvp is better
i just can't understand why people thinks so. i simply can't. for me it's absurd.
>>336702178
DS2 SOTFS if its co-op, pvp is probably dead, but at the time was infinitely better than ds3
DeS if you just care about a good single player
DaS 3 if you don't care about the stuff I mentioned for Ds2 and already beat DeS
>>336708449
Uncharted has no replay value and people who care for MGS already own a PS3. I could say the same about GoW and all the online games are probably dead.
>>336702178
Frankly i never understood why people hated 2 so much. Makes me feel like an alien when i see people talking about which souls game is the best.
Honestly i liked it more than 1, my only problem with 2 is that there were very few challenging bosses, but the dlcs changed that. I think the dlcs for Souls 2 are some of the best areas and has some of the best bosses in the series, my only complain about the dlcs is that the generic enemies you fight in them(basically the hollow soldiers) are just copy pasted across the 3 dlcs but with different looks.
The dlcs still have unique enemies though.
All that said, i haven't played bloodborne so i'm just talking about the demon's and dark souls games. I for one say that you should play 2.
>>336709047
I think you'll like BB friend. I wouldn't recommend buying a PS4 just for it though.
>>336708809
Because it is. Even if you have a bad memory and you don't remember the giantdads doing acrobatics all over the place from souls 1 or the scrapping spears and daggers from demon's you at least have to see that it's way better than the atrocity we have right now in souls 3 with the infinite iframes on rolling, the super fast instant estus, the lack of build variety and the complete shitfest with longswords and greatshields.
I don't think any of the souls games have good pvp, but i do think souls 2 had the least bad one.
>>336709318
I'll buy one when they announce Bloodborne 2, a-any time now.
>>336702178
Dark Souls 2 was pretty much a travesty at launch. But with the updates and Scholar of the First Sin the game has improved tremendously and is actually pretty damn fun.
That said. I would still probably recommend Dark Souls 3 after Dark Souls 1. It's more like a direct sequel whereas Dark Souls 2 is more like a sequel.
In both of terms of mechanics and lore Dark Souls 3 is closer to Dark Souls 1 than Dark Souls 2 was. While Dark Souls 2 deviated a lot for better or worse with a lot of things.
It's probably a much less jarring experience to go 1 -> 3 -> 2 instead of 1 -> 2 -> 3 since lore and mechanically you'll more or less be going forth and back with 1 -> 2 -> 3 which is probably pretty unnecessary when 1 -> 3 -> 2 should provide a much more straight forward experience. I imagine.
And I mean. Dark Souls 2 isn't terrible. Even though it is likely my least liked of all the Souls games it has quite a few singular things I actually quite like with it that aren't present in the others. Like the small soap signs for instance. The rarity of the "humanity" equivalent and how you could gain your humanity back after hollowing from just a couple of minutes of co-op anywhere with a mini soap sign kind of solidified and spread out the co-op aspect, while it has mostly been restricted to and centred around the bonfires and boss doors in the other games. You could actually find soap signs just about anywhere in Dark Souls 2 since the design encouraged lots of quick mini sessions in addition to the larger hand-holding of entire stages and or bosses.
Where it didn't feel like you were cheating someone if you summoned someone for just an invader or a tough enemy/enemies instead of the boss that they were probably aiming for. Etc.
I could name a bunch of other stuff that I like about Dark Souls 2 as well. But it's just that for every good thing the game thing it did completely retarded things as well, like just about everything related to Soul Memory for instance.
>>336708809
Never had issues with das2 pvp though I didn't play it before SOTFS was released.
In 3 it's full of bugs, and it's just generally less fun and varried than I would have liked.
>>336709047
>Gavlan
I wish Doors of Pharros was a bigger area. It's so rad, and it makes no sense that there's an underground dwarven tunnel in between a forest and and a cove. The gyrm enemy that has the gyrm armor and the anvil on a stick is probably my favorite enemy in the game. That area should've been huge, with a gyrm boss. Would've been badass.
On that topic, the way they put Fume Knight at the bottom of Brume Tower makes no sense to me. For starters, who is the Iron King? An ancient civilization from before Vendricks? If so why is Fume Knight supposedly protectly protecting the Iron Crown. Makes little sense as well as the question of where Brume Tower is located in space and time. At least Shulva feels like it could be under Drangleic. Eleum Loyce is whack, dream world probably. It feels like they wanted to put Fume Knight somewhere in the main game, but couldn't.
>>336709874
I was about to shitpost reply based on the first sentence but this is a good post. Should be copy pasta
darksouls 2 sucks
the bosses have bad hit boxes which forces you to put alot of points into adp instead if what you actually care about
>>336707523
>infinite stamina
But you can shield break Pontiff Knights just fine.
Late to the thread, but I'm loving Dark Souls 2. The bosses are a little less inspired, especially Freja, but my Dex build is doing really well, and I actually hardly ever need the effigy's.
The part in the Shaded Woods with the you-know-what fights was actually really surprising and cool. I'm doing a winged spear game, it's at +7.
So, yeah, don't skip 2.
>>336709874
>It's more like a direct sequel whereas Dark Souls 2 is more like a sequel.
It's more like a direct sequel whereas Dark Souls 2 is more like a spin-off.*
It's more like something branching off at the very least.
>>336708779
You don't even have to fight his ass. Run to the very end where the altar is, then run back to the fog gate, He'll just over a hole, grab on to the ledge, smack the hand a few times, and he falls into oblivion and you win.
>>336710398
>the bosses have bad hit boxes
become brilliant
>>336710697
*he'll jump
>>336709874
>>336709047
If there's one thing i give a lot of props to souls 2 for is that it tried to be different. Souls 3 to me is almost infuriatingly similar to 1, i don't know if it's supposed to be pandering or if it's just the kind of levels and stuff that Miyasaki likes to make, but if there's one thing i really liked about 2 is that whenever i entered a new area i felt surprised, or felt like something new.
I mean, Majula is very different from firelinks and the nexus, then you have a ruined fortress in a forest, a pirate cave, the poison windmill, tseldora, iron keep and shrine of amana were pretty different from the environments we visited in 1.
In 3 i constantly felt like "oh, it's the undead burg, oh it's the poison swamp, oh it's the duke's archives, oh it's literally anor londo, oh it's boletaria castle, oh it's the nexus, oh it's latria" like god damn man, do something new.
That said, those things that feel new are great, i love Irythil and crucifixion woods. Unfortunately, they are really really small.
And of course i'm not saying 3 is shit or anything, i already have who knows how many hundreds of hours on it, i'm just comparing.
>>336710697
Been a few years but I cheesed him some other way. Bit of a joke game after Sens Fortress tbf
>>336710261
Fume Knight wasn't protecting the crown, he was protecting what'sherface the dark queen of the Iron King, she just happened to be holding the crown in her hands.
And i'm 99% sure that they were supposed to be in other countries, if i remember right it was even implied that the drakeblood knights were sent to destroy Shulva by Vendrick. You can also find Vendrick's dead soldiers right at the start of Brume tower.
Eleum Loyce is probably where Irythil is now considering they are both on top of Izalith.
>>336709621
>Because it is. Even if you have a bad memory and you don't remember the giantdads doing acrobatics
1.06
>the scrapping spears and daggers from demon's you at least have to see
im not talking about your first playthroug expiriense
> that it's way better than the atrocity we have right now in souls 3
das3 pvp is fucked up so badly, i don't even care about it anymore
I recommend you drop souls and play kings field 2 instead, for it is superior to all
>>336702178
I skipped the second and don't regret it a bit. If a game looks fun, you'll enjoy it. Loved watching DS 1 gameplay before I played it, love it even more now.
DS 2 gameplay does nothing but make me want to vomit, it's revolting how flawed the gameplay looks and how mediocre the artdesign is compared to 1.
Fucking lifegems, fucking curse, fucking shit hitboxes, fucking normal enemies with HP bar that are "bosses", fucking mediocre bosses that spam three attacks at most, fucking shit story, fucking PS 2 era graphics,
Don't waste you life with this shit
>>336710401
But they can attack for hours, just like that one hammer knight in 2. It's not only the pontiff knights either, shit like the snake thieves in archdragon peak are ridiculous, or the hollow thieves. I just don't get it, i always figured that knight in souls 2 was bugged because it was only the hammer knights that had infinite stamina, i didn't think it was by design.
>>336709992
did you actually invest some time in das1 pvp?
If you've got a lot of time to kill and some cash to burn then pick up DS2. It's a fun, good game but you wouldn't really be missing anything if you went straight to DS3 (which is a lot better).
>>336711391
You're talking about DaS1
>Asks /v/ of all places
Make your own mind you nigger. Wtf.
>>336711401
>Hammer Knights prenerf>Halberd Knights prenerf
>>336711391
>PS2 era graphics
I'm sorry you only got to see the vanilla version
>>336711741
I guess you haven't played DS 1
>>336711428
OP has already played DaS1, he is asking if he should play 2 or skip right to 3
Which is why I didn't make mention of DaS1, it's not relevant to the topic. I did enjoy its pvp more than 2 and 3 though, epecially the wood grain ring before it got nerfed, but besides that 2 has better pvp than 3.
>>336712252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP_JGY7ZJsM
non vanilla version.
Just admit you have shit taste
>>336712291
>fucking curse, fucking shit hitboxes, fucking normal enemies with HP bar that are "bosses", fucking mediocre bosses that spam three attacks at most, fucking shit story, fucking PS 2 era graphics,
All of these apply to DaS1.
>>336711391
Ironically most of those things can be applied to all the souls games, i don't know what you mean by the curse part though.
But first of all, all souls games have horrible hitboxes, and all the souls games look dated when compared to other games of their time, it's the art direction that saves them, and all the souls games have bosses turning into normal enemies, all the souls games have some bosses that are really mediocre and just spam three attacks over and over.
And Demon's had the grass.
>>336712424
okay, my bad
The level design in 3 is far superior compared to 2, but honestly it feels like there's far less weapon variety in 3 compared to all the other games.
You could play through 3 using nothing but an Astoria/Sunlight Straight Sword and have 0 trouble compared if you attempt to diverge and use a boss weapon or a UGS.
>>336712583
At least you could cure instead of having it be constant anus in the game, hitboxes weren't that shit, bosses had way more moves on average than DS2 bosses which spammed the same attacks, graphics looked better than DS2 in every sense and story was epic
>>336712645
Curse I mean the chipping of HP with each death
>>336702178
2 is a pretty noticeable step down in terms of level design and bossfights. It does its own thing and has a few neat ideas (like powerstancing), but its was clearly the worst of the series.
3 feels like much more of a sequel to DaS1
I would also look at Demon's Souls and Bloodborne.
>>336705941
based on what?
DES never had a sequel
bloodborne doesn't have a sequel
why does the actual numbered sequel to DAS have to be so different?
if anything the direct sequel SHOULD reference the first one more, otherwise it might as well be "scholars souls" or "dragons souls" or something else other than DAS2
>>336702178
It's not as bad as it's made out to be. Don't get the vanilla version though.
One thing I never see DaS2 get a lot of credit for is its AI though. The invader/phantom AI in particular is really good. I've honestly thought I summoned or invaded by an actual person a few times.
>>336712826
>you can repair ring of protection
ds2 was the first game where you could be in human form the whole time no problem
I'd say the only "rule" you should follow in terms of play order is to play 1 before 3 if you want to catch all the references and callbacks. DeS, DaS2, and BB are pretty much their own thing.
>>336712645
DS2 exacerbated the hitboxes with ADP
And its not just about DS2 looking outdated, its about it looking absurdly lazy. Removing the lightning system from the demos and all the ridiculous texture tiling put it on a different level.
Really though, the biggest problem with DS2 were the flat linear levels and the fact that the majority of the bossfights were completely uninspired. Totally not what I would have expected from a Souls game.
>>336702483
>You can skip the second one if you want. The story is kinda its own thing, while the third is a direct sequel to the first with references to the second.
Can anons confirm? I'm in the same situation as OP. I'm replaying DaSI, want to play III because it's the newest one, but I have the feeling I have to play II to get the whole story. Will there be a lot of things I will miss in III for not playing II?
Should I just play II before III?
>>336713172
DS 2 should have been called Drangeilic Souls
>>336713335
DS 2 is its own (shit) story, Skip it.
>>336713335
the story of 2 really had no barring on 3, just a few references in the items and armors that got carried over
>>336713335
you should play das3 right away
>>336702178
Skipping DaSII would be fine.
DaSIII has LOADS of direct references to DaS1, but only a handful to DaSII.
>>336707543
>>336707961
>>336708239
Saying that those games are optional is like saying that MGS1 and PW are optional
>>336712826
>Constant anus in the game
I have never been cursed in Dark Souls 2 and have played it multiple times. It is probably easier to get cursed in 1, but it isn't a big deal either way. As for the HP max on death, you can just use one of your 2 extra ring slots to cap at 75% which is more than enough, or join champions covenant to keep respawns if you don't want to bonfire ascetic but want to get more humanity.
>Hitboxes werent that shit
Sure they werent. You can post gifs of nice hitboxes, but you can do that with any souls game. They all have their share of shit hitboxes AND shit tracking.
>Bosses had way more moves on average than DS2 bosses
Really? Because I remember a huge amount of DaS bosses being pretty lazy or lame. You get to fight the Asylum Demon 3 fucking times, the joke Taurus Demon, the Capra demon which is basically just a regular enemy, the moonlight butterfly which is just fucking boring, and the gaping dragon who literally sits in place for 10 seconds at a time for you to beat up on. Not to mention Priscilla who will die in 3 hits or Seath who you cant even fucking see while youre swinging at his dick but it doesnt matter anyway because hes so fucking easy.
>graphics looked better than DS2 in every way
Maybe you can argue artstyle, but are you really arguing this? DaS had 30 fps lock and DaS2 had better optimization, 60 fps, higher-than-720p resolution support, AND DX11 in SotFS.
>>336713335
There's basically no reason to skip it. It might be a bit worse but it is still better than most games. You can skip any fucking game if you really wanted, especially Souls games considering how the plot is laid out.
>>336713638
Learn how to create a proper fucking analogy you retard
>>336712823
>You could play through 3 using nothing but an Astoria/Sunlight Straight Sword and have 0 trouble
I've played through all of DeS/DaS/DaS2/DaS3 using nothing but the Mace.
The games never really required you to change your builds.
>>336713020
I like that you spend the entire game searching for a "cure to the curse" and its hidden behind a random bookshelf in the Pirate Cove
I mean, you probably could have stopped searching after you found the ring
DS2 had lots of good ideas and improvements, but unfortunately it did so many other things wrong. Soul memory, level designs, weird bonfire placement (DS3 does this too), NPCs, story, character models etc. For every step forward, it took two steps back.
Dark Souls 3 has much better level design but it is not nearly as good as the first one in any other way. Honestly, I would say play Demon's or Bloodborne instead and hopefully DS3 will get some more patches by the time you play it.
Anyone hate the whole cycle thing?
I mean fuck, DaSIII heavily implies that even if the First Flame completely goes out, it will somehow inexplicably go out. Previously, the "cycle" was only a thing because people kept getting tricked into Linking the Fire right before it goes out. We were under the impression that if it were to completely die out, it'd be gone for good, but now it seems that it will come back no matter what.
Why would they do this? The writers totally fucked themselves out of any closure.
>>336712826
>At least you could cure instead of having it be constant anus in the game
Ring of protection or other items that make its effect weaker, or use an effigy. Was it so hard?
>hitboxes weren't that shit
Sure thing dude.
>bosses had way more moves on average than DS2 bosses which spammed the same attacks
But of course, dude.
>graphics looked better than DS2 in every sense
That's for certain, dude.
>>336713667
Seriously are you defending the horrible graphics? Do a side by side comparision? Its literally comparing a 360 game with a ps 2 game.
Yeah al souls games have shit hitboxes some more than others, guess which one.
>I have never been cursed in Dark Souls 2
You start the fucking game off cursed. Curse is an entire core mechanic of the game
>>336713592
>>336713547
>>336713339
This kind of makes me feel better, but come on, it's the SECOND one out of the trilogy. Does it really have no direct connection to the thrid one? Can you give a small example, maybe?
Also, is III really a driect sequel to I?
>>336702178
The second one has some challenge but it is definitely easier than Dark Souls 1. The same "here's the game do what you will" aspect is still there, but it's a bit more linear than the first. There are some game play changes that some people didn't like but it's still a fun game if your standards aren't sky high. For the most part, it's a good one. If you want more of a challenge, Dark Souls 3 is more challenging overall. You should definitely play ds2 sooner or later though.
That being said, the bias of the people on this board is ridiculous. You shouldn't ask opinions on any game here. Best thing to do is watch footage of it or go to a friends to try it out for yourself.
>>336713801
I just wish DaSIII kept the things DaSII did right.
Dual-wielding and powerstancing was pretty great, so were things like Bonfire Ascetics, and bows had tracking for the player.
>>336713801
>weird bonfire placement (DS3 does this too)
The Dragonslayer Armour bonfire has got to be the most redundant Bonfire in the entire franchise.
You can see the bonfire from the Grand Archive bonfire for crying out loud. They are like just 30 meters apart or something.
>>336713971
>Can you give a small example, maybe?
There's a character in DS2 called Lucatiel
You find Lucatiel's armor in DS3
>>336713742
Give me an analogy, Mr. Super gamer of the nerd culture
>>336702178
Nobody should skip DS2 completely despite what meme hate may dictate, but if it's a choice between 2 or 3 for now then you can play either one really.
I might recommend playing DS2 + DLC for now though so that more things can possibly be patched in DS3, like poise literally not functioning at all.
>>336713965
>>336713971
You don't know DS2 wasn't even directed by the same guy? That should be plenty of information to just skip DS2.
>>336713335
Yeah, i particularly like ds2 a lot, most people hate on It because the small problems make their butt blustered, but enjoy ds3 while the the pvp is full.
The only plot advancement we had in 2 (the chaos actually being the unholiest thing ever that corrupts both Light and dark) is completelly disregarded in ds3
>>336714054
Yeah, for some reason they thought it would be a good idea to place a bonfire in every boss room, regardless of level design. Totally unnecessary.
Demon's Souls put a "bonfire" in every boss room, but those were the only checkpoints in the game
>>336713971
DS 2 was done by a B team who didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
It had little if any relation to DS 1 story.
Story of 2 was so shit, most of it was retconned for DS 3, just ignore 2 for now and play it when you a really really bored if ever.
>>336713335
I'd say skip it, but after 3 play it.
>>336713971
It's not really a direct sequel, since it takes place after DaSII, but for some reason it has many direct references to the first game. Many characters from DaS1 are inexplicably in DaSIII.
My theory is that in each cycle, time becomes more and more convoluted, so now people from tens of thousands of years ago are popping up again.
>>336714054
Wolnir and Boreal valley bonfire were just as stupid. I felt the game had too many bonfires making the non bos areas too easy. I loved the challenge DS 1 gave you, like finding a hidden bonfire in catacombs or blighttown. DS 3 you fucking trip over bonfires.
Is DaSIII 60fps or does it need DSfix? Does III even have DSfix?
>>336713971
One character from 2 appears in 3, and the design of the giants carried over from 2 to 3. Other than that I think there's just a few small references in item descriptions.
>>336714221
>Totally unnecessary.
so why make such a big stink over it?
At least DS3 gave us a handful of single Bonfire areas, like Cathedral of the Deep, Irithyll Dungeon and Grand Archives
really reminded me of DeS-style level design
DO NOT PLAY DARK SOULS 2
FORGET IT EVEN EXISTS
PLEASE
>>336714237
>DS 2 was done by a B team who managed to savage the crap they were given at the last moment, like Platinum did with MGR
ftfy
>>336714102
There is no analogy here, those games CAN be skipped from the story
Also
>Mr. Super gamer of the nerd culture
The cringe is giving me fucking diarrhea
>>336702178
Dark Souls 2 is a decent game at best. Because it carries the Souls framework and ups the ante only in terms of variety and size. PVP and online are enhanced from this. If you like all that stuff, it gets extra points.
Aside from that, it's a clumsy, noisy, awkward sequel. So much of the design is cringe-worthy. I felt this way as it was being released, and when finishing it.
Dark Souls 3 may be more of a rehash, but it feels like the rest of the Soulsborne titles, and kinda like a grand culmination of their ideas.
I can only defend DaSII when I'm feeling generous.
>>336714437
>blighttown bonfire
>hidden
>>336714118
Learn to play on 1080p faggot. Btw that picture literally still looks better than half the areas in DS 2. How fucking lazy could you get
>>336714571
Wow I bow down 2 u Mr. Sulper dee duper cool gamer nerd
Wow....
>>336714483
3 supports 60 fps out of the box on PC. No mods required since playing with friends is built into the game using the password system now.
>>336703540
Exactly the same shit happens with the most enemies in 3 who failed to 360 track you and instead hit you with the back of the hitbox of their weapon which shouldnt exist in the first place. Dark souls 3 is sped up dark souls 2 shitter, series went completely downward after ds1 first half, I wished I never played it in the first place, so I could enjoy good games.
>>336714437
I can kind of get behind the Boreal Valley bonfire even though it's more or less the same.
I mean, when I first got the Boreal Valley I didn't have the doll. And it wasn't until much later that I could get past the barrier to access the second bonfire.
So at that point arriving at the second bonfire feels like progress in a sense, even though it's basically just on the other side of a bridge.
>>336714054
>Dragonslaier bonfire
>not the 2 bonfires at undead settlement entrace 15 meter apart guarded by 2 dogs that dont even aggro you
And if i am not mistaken vordt Also spanws one bonfire, making It 3 bonfires in less than a minute. Why?
>>336714021
>Ascetics
They have no place in a souls game without despawning, which is a fucking stupid mechanic anyway. And weapon arts is so, SO much better than powerstancing. I don't miss it one bit.
>>336714724
Not him. Please stop posting
>>336714641
Get down to poison bottom of blighttown. Did you fucking know where the bonfire was? It could have been in literally any direction.
>>336714790
>hit you with the back of the hitbox of their weapon which shouldnt exist in the first place
are you retarded?
>>336714871
Us dark souls gamers right? We're in the top of the nerd food Chain!
>>336714838
What if I want to replay a boss? Ascetics let me do that. Can you replay bosses in DS3?
>>336714926
there are literally glowing orange signs everywhere that tell you where the bonfire is
>>336714724
Omg stop.
The cringe...
It's hurting me....
Make it stop..
Stop!!!
>>336707543
>DeS
>BB
>optional
How does 3 run on PS4?
>>336715059
>Can you replay bosses in DS3?
throw down a whitesoapstone?
go to NG+?
I'm glad A Team got rid of despawning, but ascetics were still a cool idea
>Go back to DaSIII because I got the itch and won't be getting DaSIII till a pricedrop
>Blaze through the first half of the game like always
>But Ornstein and Smough
>Keep getting my shit pushed in
Even though they're at least top 10, and probably top 5 for hardest bosses in the entire series, I still feel like a bitch
>>336714838
>And weapon arts is so, SO much better than powerstancing
Great joke man.
You are joking right?
>>336715069
If you play online faggot. I bet you also summoned for every boss.
>>336713971
One very important character from 2 is hinted to be Still alive and pulling strings from behind the curtains. So guess the ds2 lore isnt retconned, buy no one in universe gives a.fuck to anything.but the first age of gods and the current age
>>336702178
Good changes DaS2 made that FROM removed in DaS3 for some retarded reason
>Ascetics, not to respawn enemies but to respawn bosses
>Able to use a weapons full moveset in the left hand
>Powerstance
>Upgrading shields actually improved their stats, not just the stability
>Depleting your stamina caused your character to breathe heavily
>You didn't lose your momentum from falling down 2 feet
>Poise wasn't as retarded as in 1 or as useless as in 3
>Really fun NPC invaders where they didn't act like just another enemy
>Interacting with the environment unlocked secrets, like lighting all the scones in The Gutter
>Other secrets like the pig and the pickaxe
>Pharros Lockstones and Fragrant Branches to manipulate the environment
>Getting wet reduced your characters lightning resistance while boosting your fire resistance
>NG+ didn't just increase enemy HP and damage, it added new enemies and items
>rolling in poison pools made your poison build up continue even on dry land because you were still covered in it
>rolling in snow/poison/water covered you in it, and it slowly disappeared
>You could activate several pools of blood at once, resulting in hilarity
>You could be invaded even if you were hollow and if the boss was dead, but at a lower chance
>You could burn an effigy to block invaders, but as a result you blocked summons as well
>Poison builds were not only viable, they were useful
>You could roll in more directions when locked on
>Hexes were fleshed out
>White phantoms couldn't Estus with an invader in the world
>Small soapstones if you wanted help with the area before a boss, without having to Black Crystal to solo the boss
>
Now watch and see how "BEE TEEM" memers deny that these were good things that should've been included/expanded upon in 3
>>336702178
DS2 isnt that bad i still had alot of fun. dont listen to these weebo manchildren.
there is some stupid stuff like silly map transitions, but whatever the game is still fun.
oh boy raging nerdstorm incoming.
>>336715182
yea but i dont play online.
so if I want to do something as simple as replay a boss I have to start the whole game over.
ascetics were amazing., not a cool idea
>>336715108
It only hurts because you see bits of your past in his posts. A decent person would not have been affected. This isn't some intelligent, avant-garde board, retard
tl;dr -- you are the cringe for actually cringing at that
>>336710869
You understaaaaaaaaaaaaaand meeeeeeeeeeee.
>>336715287
>Able to use a weapons full moveset in the left hand
I was actually confuses as to why I couldn't schwing two long swords. What a weird thing to remove.
>>336715236
why are you playing offline?
afraid of invaders?
Why does DS2 look so much worse than 1?
>>336714927
Get into laws of nature, hombre.
If I thrust my spear infront of me and dont thrust it backwards, I am not able to generate enough force to hit something behind me. The exact opposite happens in this game. Check out the wood spear weilding swamp faggots, they do as explained above as many other enemies.
>>336711391
>Hey guys I didn't play the game!
>But look at all these complaints I have about it!
You should take a nap like that dog in your picture.
>>336715287
>>Interacting with the environment unlocked secrets, like lighting all the scones in The Gutter
wait what
>>336714838
weapon arts are terrible. powerstancing even made cross bows and shields viable weapons for fucks sake
>>336715451
>avant-garde board
Omg, take off the fucking fedora.
The cringe...
It's gonna explode...
MY FUCKING BOWELS
MAKE THE CRINGE STOP!!!
MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!
>>336715287
good list i agree
>>336702178
Play Scholar of the First Sin. It's the improved version of the 2nd game.
>>336715538
Cause I'm not a little pussy who needs a walkthrough written on the ground to help me beat a videogame.
>>336715287
>Poison builds were not only viable, they were useful
This meme is stupid. You had 99 moss, and you ate them faster than DS3 estus.
>Interacting with the environment unlocked secrets, like lighting all the scones in The Gutter
do you just make this shit up
You forgot fire seeds to level up pyromancy. I liked that shit.
>>336715263
Maybe I should just play II and try to beat it quickly. III should still be active online in a month. Besides, Verizon internet got bought off by some shit company in my state and I couldn't connect to the internet properly in two weeks anyway
>>336715773
you're more cringy than he is
>>336712439
>non vanilla version.
>Published on Aug 28, 2014
cool story bro
just get 3
2 is irrelevent to the story lore and sucks
>>336715578
>Cat and rat in picture
>Calls it dog
Now I understand. Only retarded people like DS 2.
Learn the difference between cats and dogs.
>>336702178
I preferred 2 to 1. I'm up in the air on 3 - the lock-on system was absolutely abysmal compared to the previous two. 1 and 2 had some camera issues, as does 3, but I don't remember being utterly pissed at the lock-on breaking frequently in those games.
My perspective is only focused on PvE though.
>>336714926
>Get down to poison bottom of blighttown. Did you fucking know where the bonfire was?
Considering that the edges were the most safe if you didn't want to crawl through the poison sludge. And that the bonfire was in a huge tunnel in the wall leading away from the sludge. I'd say the level design kind of leads you towards the bonfire even if you have no idea about where anything is.
Like the only way I imagine you missing it, would be if you would somehow insist on the idea of there possibly being treasure in the middle of the poison ocean on the other end of the level. Searching for it instead of taking the more cautious and sensible route.
>>336715898
Then don't read them?
>>336715773
No, no. YOU are the one who thinks this board is "intelligent" and "avant-garde" without even knowing it
>>336715963
Anon, why you make me. The insufferable pain inside of me. Why anon. Why you make me cringe... Are you evil is that it anon, why you cruel anon.
TELL ME FAGGOT
>>336716024
Outmemed.
>>336712252
Sotfs literally updated one texture, and it was the shitty repeating texture fire salamander room.
Everything else was just lighting that you could get (even better) through mods.
>>336716038
>but I don't remember being utterly pissed at the lock-on breaking frequently in those games.
I actually had less of a problem with the lock-on breaking on the DaS3 bosses than in the other games. Since finally, almost all the larger bosses had multiple lock-on points. So that you could lock onto whatever part was the closest to you even when the camera was far away.
>>336715928
>>Interacting with the environment unlocked secrets, like lighting all the scones in The Gutter
>do you just make this shit up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deRBclTyIXs
>>336715236
>I read messages so i must Also summon
God, you couldnt explore for shit.
I played the first playthrough completely blind, found pretty much every Secret in the game. Just fucking explore, you should have enough Moss from the gardens to search every corner of the swamp.
Bet you also needed a guide to find the ash lake
>>336715538
because it's worse? I dont want to see orange messages on the ground. that's terrible. And co-op too. I like invasions though. Is there a way to disable everything except invasions?
>>336715970
>>336715970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2rMO3J-lZ0
Doesn't look any less shit to me anon
>>336715287
>no mention of slow Estus
Estus is WAY too good in DaSIII. It was this good in 1, and they fixed it in 2, and then they fucking broke it again.
I hate insta-healing Estus. It trivializes PvE, and it just makes PvP a battle of attrition, which the hose will almost always win, because they have twice as much as you.
>>336715287
agree with most of these
DS2 definitely had some cool ideas. Its too bad so much of it was just fundamentally bad though. The flat, linear level design and the uninspired bosses really stand out amongst the rest of the series
>>336716041
But anon, there were safe edges on the other direction too.
It's super weird how actually downgrading your nvidia drivers made Dark Souls III run perfectly.
You most certainly do not require a GTX 750 card for the minimum speccs, provided that you do -not- have up to date drivers. And that's fucking weird.
You can install the 2013 drivers and play the game just fine with a GTX 560 card. Even though that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements description.
>>336715928
>You had 99 moss, and you ate them faster than DS3 estus
Come on lad, they are pretty slow. And regardless of the speed, there's lots of people who never have that on the hotbar.
>do you just make this shit up
No, if you light everything in the Gutter a secret NPC invades
>Fire seeds
Oh yeah. But wait, how do you upgrade your flame in 3? the same way as in 1?
>>336715773
I was right about you. You are the MASTER gamer of all nerds in nerd culture. You would be just a regular nerd --but still cool hehe -- but you play Dark Souls. You are definitely an intelligent, nerd gamer and you should let everyone you know that you play the series and browse an avant-garde video game discussion board
>can't dodge Crystal Sage clones touhou magic bullshit
I am too shit at this game
>>336715928
He said poison builds were useful, not OP. Most people panick when they see that bar filling up
>>336716321
How were you playing blind when you had too rely on a shitton of orange signs to even tell you where the bonfires were?
>>336716589
I died from cringe
>>336716137
Now you juss tryin' too hard, dawg
Fuck off back to your respective website where it's okay to unironically fedora-post. I am certain you also vape.
>>336716150
Dont talk about shit you have no understanding of
Vanilla PS3 = terrible graphics/lighting whatever you cucks want
Vanilla PC = improved everything
SoftFS(PCS4X1) = small improvements to vanilla PC, + different enemy placements
>>336716779
Why? I'm on your side and that's exactly what you are
>>336716589
Wow, you're really fucking mad, dude. There's no shame in walking away.
>>336716779
You're just as bad with your "cringe" nonsense. The both of you should either fuck, or take a break. That's enough Internet for one day.
>>336705309
3 is just we have no ideas but let's make a game anyway
>>336716824
>dawg
>respective website
>unironically fedora-post
OMFG MAKE HIM STOP. CAN'T BREATH. SIDES SPLITTING. GREATEST CRINGE THREAD OF LAST 6 MONTHS
MAKE HIM STOP
CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE
HELP ME
MAKE IT STOP
Do I blame twinks for no longer being able to upgrade armour?
>>336717029
Anon I really really think you need a girlfriend
>>336702178
Yes, skip 2. Go straight to 3, purely because the online is far more active, and not split by FROM's retarded decision to split the game into two seperate instances of online.
wtf is DaS2 SotFS really 60fps on PS4?
>>336716567
>>336716303
wat
Is this SotFS or some stupid shit like that?
I always made a point of lighting all the Gutter Sconces, and the only invasion I got was not-Maneater Mildred
>>336716589
I thought I told you to stop posting
>>336717240
Which one are you? The one making really piss-poor sardonic remarks, or the "cringe"-poster?
You both seriously need a time-out. It's time to stop.
>>336715731
>powerstancing even made cross bows
Yeah, Akimbo Avelyn, what fun.
>and shields
Shields are not fucking weapons. You say that but greatshields are the best weapon anyway in DS3.
>>336715234
Powerstancing turned into finding the newest latest broken combo to grief online. Weapon arts are viable in PvP and PvE and a good use of the FP system for melee builds.
>>336717029
Hey, um, super-cool nerd masters of the nerd trend shouldn't be as assblasred as you are right now. You need to set a good example for us lowly nerds who want to be like you!
>>336716630
>>336716567
how was it useful though? You put all that work into building up the bar, and then can undo everything by eating an item that costs 500 souls (and you can eat it while walking)
If you're just twinking retards, there were much more effective ways to do that.
>>336715287
>>Hexes were fleshed out
Hexes were fucking terrible.
>lol man, so like your soul memory goes up as you acquire souls
>but hexes drains souls without draining your soul memory lmao!
>>336717325
>Is this SotFS or some stupid shit like that?
Does it matter?
The point is, they did not include/expand on this in the sequel.
>>336717359
>I thought I told you to stop posting
go take your feelings to reddit
>>336717325
Yes. It also happens if you light all the sconces in the tutorial area
>>336717592
Don't get defensive, just trying to sort out the confusion. DS3 has a few things like that, like how Creighton will only invade if you defeat him beforehand with Sirris.
Maybe if you buy DS3 again at full price, they'll throw in a handful of gimmicky extras.
>>336717883
No it fucking doesn't I was never invaded in either of these areas in either vanilla or SotFS and I lite the all the scones in the tutorial area.
>>336715287
A few more to the list
Ds2 made full use of the elemental rock paper scizor system. You could stack fire defence till near fire invulneraty, and elemental weapons did massive dmg against weak resist, while None at all against big (im looking at you retards trying to beat.the smelter demon with a fire longsword you got early on the game). In ds1 and ds3, It is Just a minor bonus.
You could ring the Bell with an arrow from very very far.
You could skip the 4 great ones (which are lorewise large masses of souls. Consuming said souls will give you the power to rekindle the fire) if you do It the hard way and kill a million lesser beings, so you are effectivelly turning yourself a great one by your own merits
>>336715364
solid post
>>336707523
What pissed me off is that all the break guard attacks like the katana special attack and the sword upwards strike are fuckign useless against them
If any of you unironically listen to hip hop, you are the problem, and also the cause of shit posting
>>336707543
>Because i've heard
PC cuck detected
>>336717430
>sardonic remark
What are you so fucking pretentious? Don't you understand how normal humans speak?
>>336718415
>he doesn't listen to dank beats while invading low level areas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwUWTut1bh4
Should I finish the game I already started in DaS2 or should I get Scholar of the First Sin and begin anew? The autist inside me tells me that I should end the original one so I can see de changes done in SotFS and create my own opinion.
>>336718265
>Ds2 made full use of the elemental rock paper scizor system. You could stack fire defence till near fire invulneraty, and elemental weapons did massive dmg against weak resist
>this is a good thing
>>336706437
Don't listen to shitters like this. Their taste is literally so shit they think anyone who doesn't agree with their shit taste is meming.
Play 2 OP,but only SotFS
>>336718265
>You could skip the 4 great ones (which are lorewise large masses of souls. Consuming said souls will give you the power to rekindle the fire) if you do It the hard way and kill a million lesser beings, so you are effectivelly turning yourself a great one by your own merits
I was actually incredibly bummed out about that in my first playthrough.
I maxed my Heirs of the Sun covenant rank for the miracles and typically ran around the levels with the Bell Keepers covenant in order to get upgrading materials (and to restore my flasks and spell uses).
Having done this, I already had 1 million souls by the time I first got to the winter shrine. I never even realized that it was supposed to be locked yet I had only defeated 1 of the large souls.
I have to say that walking up to Drangleic castle has got to have been one of the most awesome and impressive segments in all of the Souls games. But it still really took me out of it after I had beaten Drangleic castle and realized that I had just waltzed in to the end game without even encountering all the large souls the game attempted to hype up leading up to it.
You acquire 1 million souls pretty damn easily. You don't even need to grind. For certain builds and playstyles it just kind of happens whether or not you even want to.
SotFS is worth playing, if only for the DLC areas
The level design in the vanilla game was pretty mediocre though. Everything felt like a video game-y little hallway, with a bunch of featureless box-shaped rooms.
It really didn't have the scale, the organic design or the use of vertical space that I would expect from a Souls game.
>>336702178
DaS2 is a great game, even if it's the worst. There's much more DaS1 references than DaS2 references in DaS3, but there's still a few things it'd have been nice to see. Be sure to pick up the Scholar of the First Sin edition, it has all the DLCs and some nice changes, like less linear progression and better enemy placements.
Some people treat it like the DMC2 of the series, but really it's a fun game well worth playing.
>>336711391
Complains about a game he hasn't played, this is your average DS2 detractor OP
>>336707523
no they don't
I shieldbreak them all the time
Why are you making this shit up
>>336718727
That's what I did, but it's mostly because I got the vanilla DS2 in PS3 before SotFS in PC
>>336719237
>Some people treat it like the DMC2 of the series
More like the DmC
>>336719347
Anon if I know I'll enjoy a game that looks great to me and will not enjoy a game that looks shit to me, based one experience.
Why would I play a game that makes me want to vomit, gouge my eyes out and mutilate the incompetent developers every time I see it?
Is the game that exceptionally misleading, that it "just looks" really really really really really awful. But that behind the absolute facade of a shit turdfest run by mongloid drooling imbeciles there is a fanfuckingtastic game?
I bet next you're gonna tell me Hobbits are real and so are elves?
>>336702178
I think I'll forever be saddened that you can't get the abyss ring any other way than killing Sif. He's not some asshole, he's not trying to rape your anus with his fat hammer bro, he's just protecting his masters grave.
>>336714790
>Implying Dark Souls 3's hitboxes are bad
The hitboxes in Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne are 95% of the time fucking great.
Enemy attacks can whiz over your head.
>>336702178
>Do you guys recommend I skip the second game and go straight to the third
Everytime. Every fucking time.
Theres always a stupid idiot to fall for /v/ memes.
I bet if /v/ tells you to kill yourself you will do it.
>>336719861
I saved that little bitches ass and this is how he repays me? Nigga had it coming to him.
>>336719780
>Why would I play a game that makes me want to vomit, gouge my eyes out and mutilate the incompetent developers every time I see it?
Because you played DaS1.
>>336702178
I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it a thousand more, I really like Dark Souls 2, almost as much as I liked Dark Souls 1 and more than I liked Dark Souls 3, even if I felt Dark Souls 3 had the best designed bosses in the series by far.
I think that Dark Souls 2 tried to do a lot of things, and it mostly did them well. The additions to the gameplay (outside of soul memory, but I never played PVP so I get if that was a dealbreaker for you) like the bonfire ascetics and powerstancing were great and sorely missed in DS3. I also thought the levels and lore were just a bit worse than DS1 and certainly not worth the amount of complaining they see on here, they were definitely well designed and creative enough to warrant their existence. Are you all reading off the same scripts or something? I only ever see the 3 complaints about them, they are either "bad", "boring" or "linear" which are among the most generic cookie cutter meaningless statements that can be applied to just about any game if you have decided you don't like it. I do think there are plenty of things in the game worth complaining about like the mostly sub-par bosses (though there are still a fair few diamonds in the rough here) or the areas where the game just looks ugly or the despawning mechanic or whatever else, it just bugs me to see the same meaningless complaints wheeled out time after time without any further explanation.
Also, play the game yourself to see if you like it, I listened to it and thought Dark Souls 2 would be trash until I went ahead and played it, and enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. It seems to me that the Dark Souls fanbase just wants to be jerked off given how little they call out Dark Souls 3 for referencing Dark Souls 1 (which just felt derivative to me) but scold Dark Souls 2 for doing things differently. I don't know, maybe it's just me in that I prefer sequels that try new things out than just do what we have already seen before.
>>336720120
But DS 1 looks absolutely amazing.
>>336715287
It also had a better character creator which for some reason got scrapped for their next 2 games
>>336718727
How far in are you?
If you just started then going straight to SotFS is better so you don't get burnt out about having to replay the whole game just to access the DLC areas which are the best part of Das2.
>>336718225
your trolling is too obvious. I told you to stop posting.
>>336720446
I'm not even the same person. How about you post some proof of your claim.
>>336720163
>Are you all reading off the same scripts or something?
Do you think people are being disingenuous when they tell you their opinion of DS2?
Do you think they're all falling for a meme that you're far too smart to be influenced by?
>>336720446
>HURR FROM WHY ISN'T PATCHES OR ONION KNIGHT SHOWING UP, YOUR GAME IS BUGGED
>oh, you didn't get invaded in the Gutter? You must be lying.
>>336720771
No I think a circle-jerk has broken out where people complain about the same things over and over again without any developments or explanation.
I've been in these threads since I played Dark Souls 2 and I see the same meaningless complaints over and over again and people patting each other over the back for it. If people truly believe these things, they should be able to articulate their points better than just saying "the game is bad", right?
It just really irritates me to an almost autistic extent to see so many people list such weak complaints despite claiming to feel so strongly about the game.
>>336721339
Can you point to a single post in this thread that said DS2 was bad, linear and boring and absolutely nothing else?
>>336708425
to be fair a good portion of these problems have been fixed with Sotfs
>>336702178
I've personally enjoyed 2 more. Both 2 and 3 made some pretty big mistakes imo, but the ones made in 3 hurts me more as a player.
>>336716894
Vanilla PC to Sotfs PC actually did only change one texture in the whole game.
It wasn't a new better quality experience, it was just Dark Souls 2 Remixed
And Sotfs wouldn't let you do any visual mods without banning you so it looked even worse than vanilla.
