> tfw the entire Alliance will be run by a bitch boy
JUST
Why the fuck isn't he a paladin
>>336686103
He's such a gigantic fucking faggot that not even the Dwarves could make him into a real man. Instead he became a priest.
>>336686103
WoW has been systematically shitting on paladin lore since BC, didn't you get the memo?
I haven't been keeping up on the Legion lore.
Isn't Genn Greymane going to take over or something?
I hate it, they are trying to push for the Alliance and Horde having peace, PLEASE NO it's one of the core things about WoW and I love it. Stop trying to change it people
Why is every character being turned into a weak pussy or killed off for being too alpha?
Also, why is metzen obssessed with doing to same 4 different character arcs but applied to different characters over and over again. that's not how progressive literature works.
>>336686364
Because Metzen is a hack, everyone knows this
Coming next expansion, Wrynn gets corrupted by DARKNESS
>hear Calia Menethil is coming back
>hear that Varian Wrynn dies
>is there a possibility that Lordaeron might actually be coming back!?
>preorder Legion
>Calia dialogue files released
>"lol dont call me Menethil please, that country is DEAD like all the faggots whoever liked it"
>turns out she's even hanging out with the suddenly scourged undead Alonsus Faol (high priest guy who first created Paladins like Uther)
>the absolute fucking disrespect of it all
>cancel Legion preorder
>>336686442
Wrynn is fucking dead
>>336686476
He's Wrynn too
>>336686547
He doesn't deserve the name
And he certainly doesn't deserve to be called fucking Anduin either
>>336686442
You mean old gods. Old gods whose only purpose is to corrupt main characters, be a raid boss with little lore other than OLD GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDZ, tease the titans a bit and then disappear for a couple expacs until they write themselves into a wall and need more corruption
Have they just bit the bullet yet and come up with some contrived reason for literally every race ever to be paladins yet?
>>336686261
Nope. Varian dies and Anduin is his successor. Nobody is really happy about this since Varian was like one of 3 decent characters in the alliance and horde combined, and Anduin is moral to a fault. I've been avoiding legion spoilers for the most part, but knowing blizzards track record, I'd assume Genn will remain irrelevant for at least a little while.
>>336686458
Even worse than all that, the Queen of Lordaeron is just a random follower for your Garrison now.
>>336684641
just like real life in most countries
>Neo Horde is a group of pandas, elves and undead masquerading as the horde
I feel your pain brother. All I could think while fighting the iron horde was that I was on the wrong side.
>>336686721
This one pisses me off, holy shit. I don't even know why it's so enraging. But it is.
>>336686721
I want to play again but I can't decide if I want to roll a mage or warlock.
Is demonology lock still spam til you transform then spam more before you turn back?
Is Ice mage still king deeps?
>Stopped playing and stopped following the story at the start of WotLK
Looks like I dodged a bullet
>>336686668
Being fair, the only lyrics race that being a paladin is a stretch for is the Tauren. And following the lore, if you can be a priest you can be a paladin too. It's not like they have some kind of special connection to the light that no one else does, paladins have just a more prominent role than priests and have have had significantly more representation.
>>336686984
Demonology is losing their transformation because demon hunters have it.
>>336686273
Alliance and Horde haven't done anything warlike since the game was created. WoW is fucking garbage and if you still play it, you're as pathetic as a drug addict.
>>336687050
kill me
mage it is
>>336687001
Literally any race that isn't human and dwarf don't make sense unless you count the Naaru nonsense which exists solely to justify blizzard's retarded class choices
Paladin was a very specific thing in the warcraft universe until Metzen one day decided it was just literally anyone using a type of magic given to them from light aliens that he pulled out of his ass
>>336686984
>he wants to play WoW
>in it's current state
>>336687162
>Paladin was a very specific thing in the warcraft universe
Yeah. They were priests who put on armour and took up weapons. That's it
>>336686668
Undead paladins are finally a thing? Neat I guess, too bad they already let the cows and (assuming from your post) other shit roll paladin just the same
>>336686984
Demo warlock is getting larger rework in Legion, and is losing meta entirely since that was always a demon hunter ability.
Arcane is ranked higher than frost,but the gap between them isn't that big. Both are in the top 10 overall.
>killing off Varian
Fuck, why not. Not much else to lose. Is Magni at least coming back?
>>336684641
So just like Vanilla then.
>>336687280
They were the iconic human class and, like all followers of the light, never appeared outside of humans and certainly not the alliance.
Specifically paladins were always shown to be part of a specific in universe order as well. They were a specific thing, it wasn't just anyone running around in armour who could heal.
Paladins being priests in armour is a WoW thing, they were practically jedi in WC3 literally down to the entire plot of the human campaign
>>336687162
What specifically stated that only human and dwarves could do it other than them being the only races that did do it? Paladins are literally just priests that know how to fight. Anone that can use the light can in theory become a paladin.
>>336687490
>Paladins being priests in armour is a WoW thing
No, it's a WC2 thing. The Silver Hand formed literally from a bunch of priests who put some heavy armour on and went to bash some heads
>>336687248
I'm a NEET with nothing to do but delay my eventual suicide.
Any RP servers worth it or is it all cringy as fuck?
>>336687515
You may as well say well why couldn't everyone be everything?
It's just as retarded as making humans shamans, because in universe it wasn't a thing.
I'm sure Metzen will if he hasn't already come up with some asspull like OH WELL THERE'S SOME SUBSET OF HUMANS WHO ARE LUCKILY EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE HORDE SHAMANS FANCY THAT but it doesn't make it not retarded
>>336686364
>>336686442
Metzen doesn't write Warcraft lore anymore. He's just advisor for quite some time now.
> Warcraft lore
> lore
what a fucking joke.
>>336687349
Yeah, Magni is coming back.
He is still crystalized but I guess he can walk around and stuff now.
>Varian dead
>magni diamond'd
>alternate universe Velen killed
shit, blizzard, calm down on killing alliance leaders. Is Illidan gonna murder Tyrande too?
>>336687162
>>336687515
In current lore, all that you need to be a Paladin is faith. If you believe hard enough that you can command the light, you can do it. It doesn't matter if you are using it for good or if you are killing children. The only thing the light cares about is unwavering faith.
This is wht Tauren can be paladins. lore wise, they are sun druids, but it is their faith in their chosen god that allows them to command the light. If you gave a big dumb ogre a rock and told him he had power of the light while he held it. If he truly, TRULY believed he had that power- he would indeed have it.
>>336684641
>priest
>inheriting throne
Why?
>>336687728
Illidan is basically a good guy now
>>336687640
They're an upgrade from knight in WC2, and Uther had no history as a priest either, he was a knight too
>>336687701
Don't worry guys, I will save you all from the Demons!
>>336687754
And that is why the current lore is shit
>>336687667
>you may as well say well why couldn't everyone be everything?
Aside from specific examples, there's no reason why they can't be. The significant majority of race restrictions are completely arbitrary and make absolutely no sense.
>>336687714
>coming back
>still crystallized
Mad diamond dwarf rampage time? Gonna be immune to bullets and shit.
Guess that makes losing bro king not as bad.
>>336687828
that's what he tried to do 10,000 years ago
>>336687828
delete this
>>336687657
>WoW
>Good RP
You're better off just finding a bunch of people to ERP with, m8.
WoW is utter garbage, playing it is a waste of your time.
Why not play something good if you're a NEET, like Dwarf Fortress, a roguelike, or anything else worth spending time on.
Or do something like get good at art or music
>>336687786
You're right, some of them were knights who a priest taught how to wield the Light.
Doesn't change my argument. There's nothing particularly special about paladins.
>>336687784
>World gets invaded
>Use demon powers to save the world
>Put in prison for a berjillion years.
>Start casting a spell that would literally one shot Arthas
>Tree huggers run in and tell you not to because you have to save the woman who cucked you
>Say fuck it and move to Outland
>Shit heads follow you there and give you shit for lording over a post apocalyptic hellscape.
Remind me again when Illidan was ever not a good guy
>>336687657
There are three main RP servers.
Moonguard: They try to downplay that they're the official ERP server and get furious when you point it out. But it's exactly because of the ERPers that their server is the largest of the three and one of the biggest overall in the game at the moment. Tends to be Alliance-heavy.
Wymrest Accord: Their whole tagline is "At least we're not Moonguard." Slightly less people, but they tend to be a bit lighter on the RP there too. Everyone in the Horde is either a Forsaken edgelord, an Orc clan or most commonly, a Blood Elf noble house. Tends to be Horde-heavy.
Emerald Dream: It's an RP-PvP server. The PvP takes priority and it's the last real bastion of WPvP in the entire game. The server has a strong RP crowd though so if you're looking for it, you'll find it in abundance. If you're just there for the PvP, it's easily avoidable.
>>336687728
>magni diamond'd
Yeah, but he's moving around and shit now.
>>336684641
Wasn't he just a child when vanilla launched? How much time has passed between then and now in all the expansions?
>>336688004
this
Imagine playing warcraft 3 campaign for the first time.
You've just set foot on Kalimdor.
A new harsh continent to the west.
You encounter the Taurens. These cool huge ogre standins, less angry and fat, more native american noble savage thing going on.
Then you meet you from the future who tells you that they're going to be paladins and hunters with rifles.
>>336687657
Don't play an orc in rp, they are all war crazy dipshits.
>>336686458
Yeah that was just fucking disgusting. Blizzard don't seem to realise that not bringing people back/explaining what happened to them is much better than bringing them back and taking a massive steaming shit on their character and story.
>>336687887
Pretty much this. In Ever Quest every race can be every thing because who you are is not defined by the culture of your race.
>>336687728
>calm down on killing alliance leaders
We are losing our third horde leader in 3 expansions. As far as death goes, Varian is the first since alternate Velen isn't an alliance leader and magni isn't dead.
>>336687782
He's the pope
>>336688021
>Emerald Dream
>Strong RP crowd
Bullshit.
>>336687714
Permanent Avatar?
>>336684641
>those PS2-looking lions
WoW 2 fucking when?
>>336687910
>Mad diamond dwarf rampage time? Gonna be immune to bullets and shit.
He's apparently got a mission, though. Made contact with the titans or something, or maybe with the titan growing in Azeroth.
>>336688021
Emerald Dream sounds good
>>336688130
I'm getting mixed signals
>>336687885
Because non-specific and arbitrary restrictions are good? There was literally nothing about the light that was specific to humans. They didn't fucking invent it. The light is a universal essence, it's not just some religion.
>>336688130
You ignoring them doesn't mean they're not there. The vast majority of active guilds are RP guilds.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/1181104/
Wyrmrest Accord here, if you didn't do a little orc clan Rp while it was trending you really missed out. We're going straight back into Blood Elf Houses as soon as Legion hits.
>>336687657
It's cringey as fuck. I played on Shadow Council from classic until Cata, watched the server go from awesome to dead RP wise, now it's just a shitty PvE server.
Went to Wyrmrest Accord--it's garbage. The "RP" consists of everyone standing around the Cathedral or the Mage Quarter. That's it.
I've heard Moon Guard might be the last place for halfway decent RP on WoW but good luck with that.
>>336687828
This image says more about how Blizzard fucked up Warcraft lore more than 10 000 years writing about it.
>>336688021
>It's an RP-PvP server
What I wanted to play on when wow launched.
But that wasn't an option.
My friends and I wanted rp and pvp, but all rp was pve so we went with pvp.
>>336687910
Yup.
Looks pretty cool actually, dude is literally made of bling now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfJ_a6q4O8Q
>>336688325
>playing Alliance on WrA
That was your first mistake, bruh.
>>336687728
The Horde loses Vol'jin, so the alliance isn't suffering the losses alone.
>Saurfang still not Warchief
>Blood Elves still part of the Horde
>Sylvanas still not put down like a rabid dog, preferably by her sisters
>Burning Legion still sending one retarded portal based invasion at a time instead of obliterating Azeroth from orbit
>Gnomes being androids plot went nowhere
>>336688053
Several years. I don't know if it's stated specifically anywhere, but the characters occasionally mention things that happened in previous expansions as "years ago."
>>336688021
>Emerald Dream
>Last WPvP bastion
That's not how you spell Bleeding Hollow, faggot.
On ED, WSB steamrolling everything with 120+ people lagging the server to nothing =/= WPvP
>>336688476
>vol'jin
>worth shit
>>336688182
>graphics matter
>>336688325
Moonguard is the designated alliance RP server
Wyrmrest is the designated horde rp server
They also have a cultural hate for one another. WRA thinks everyone from MG are poor quality RPers running around as half dragons and vampires while everyone from MG thinks everyone from WRA is an elitist asshole who will laugh you out of the guild on a whim
>>336684641
He is not my king yet.
Nor would I obey that command even if he were.
>>336688485
he's too old and his son dying fucked him up.
he's literally like 110 years old (orc's live longer than humans)
>>336688318
Yup, Legion is probably going to be the death of Horde RP.
Just what we fucking needed, even more Elf edgelords.
>>336688485
>>336684641
He is rightfull heir of stormwind. My alliance lies with him.
All traitors can join horde.
>>336688519
Bleeding Hollow isn't a WPvP server. It's a PvP server with a small handful of mega guilds that routinely sit on one another's capital cities to fuck with lowbies.
Emerald Dream schedules RP-PvP events in old world locales. You could spend hours fighting over the Silverwing Refuge with a 15v15, or have a 5v5 fighting for dominance over the ruins of Ahn Qiraj. WPvP isn't and shouldn't be a lagfest of 50+ people sitting in the opposing faction's throne room.
>>336688485
space doesn't work the same in Warcraft as it does here, you can't fly through the Nether.
>>336686103
Because he spent like ten years standing still in the throne room.
>>336688706
No one is questioning his right to rule. That is without question. It's that he is nowhere near ready to do it. It is too moral for his own good, his desire to see the good in people leading him to not act.
>>336688659
>He's Orc leader
>Implying he'd ever, EVER endorse Sylvanas being warchief
>She's a warmonger
>She's a slaver
>She's a fucking undead monstrosity, like what they turned his son into
When will we see him cleave a bitch?
GAS THE UNDERCITY
HORDE WAR NOW
>>336684641
>Stormwind starts taking on orc refugees
>he marries Wrathion in the first major content patch
His dad's been dead for a day and he's already a disappointment.
>>336686103
because hearthstone
>>336688659
I could have sworn we killed Sarunok for being a god damn twighlight hammer cultist.
Describe ideas for your dream Warcraft mmo, what you would've liked it to have been.
>>336688945
Don't worry Anon, she sacrifices herself to save the player in Legion and this redeems her in the eyes of WoW Hell so she ends up going to heaven
>>336688835
Regardless of the way the nether works, there are interplanetary vessels capable of sitting high above a planet and raining down death. Whether they arrive by magic portal instead of just flying over is of no consequence. If it wasn't possible to get ships from planet to planet we wouldn't have space goats coast to coast.
>>336688870
It's more the fact that he refuses to fight. His command of the light is unparalleled, as stated by Velen, but he is a complete and total pacifist. Doubt thats gonna play out well when the Legion is literally raping the planet.
>tfw he wont become a paladin and go THIS ENTIRE CONTINENT MUST BE PURGED on Kalimdor
>>336688835
Tell that to the Draenei, sure they don't fly very well but they can still do it
>>336688529
Not like WoW has good gameplay either. Despite the updates every expansion the game is still tremendously outdated on all fronts.
>>336688945
to be far Sylvanas is an incredible complicated character internally, she is always in utter turmoil over wether to be cruel or good.
>>336689102
>Sylvanas
>Redeemed
Is this a joke?
>>336689098
Basically vanilla with UI improvements and such from WoD, then add the option of joining a race that isn't part of any faction whatsoever. Naga, Ogre, hell even Murloc seeing as how Murlocs are clever enough to cast spells, throw nets, drink potions etc and even have a hierarchy.
>>336689102
I hate this game
>>336689126
more like hyper drives than flying, its apparantly very hard to do what the Goats did anyways.
the Legion are almost completely cut off from going to Azeroth due to Titan magics regardless, hence the War of the Ancients.
>>336688981
>he marries Wrathion
You're joking right? The entirety of warlords of draenor was orchestrated by wrathion, he's gonna get off completely free just like that?
>>336689207
>Sylvanas is an incredible complicated character internally
>>336689337
all is forgiven for that BIG BLACK DRAGONFLIGHT COCK
>>336687828
This is a shop right, knowing neo-blizzard I can't be sure
Why the fuck is Grom treated as some sort of demigod hero
He was a massive asshole for like 95% of his life
>>336687979
I don't think you understand how much of a difference being a knight does.
>>336689457
No, Illidan is chosen by Naaru and becomes champion of light. It's in the book "Illidan". This shit is real.
>>336689337
No he's completely serious.
>>336689457
Illidan was given a vision by a naaru that he would become a champion of the light to fight against the legion. He saw himself sheathed in Golden light with a burning halo. That is a shop, but it's based on something that will likely happen eventually.
>>336686685
SPOILERSGenn Greymane is actually really fucking pissed with what the Horde did and has joined Jaina in attacking and trying to stop Sylvanis who went off to the islands to make a deal with Helya
So, Genn and Jaina OTP
>>336689603
because muh orcs dindu nuffin
>>336687329
I'm happy demo is getting reworded into the super summoners spec hyped as shit for it. It was bullshit how they went about nerfing demo to the ground so no one will play it in wod so we can all be excited for its big relaunch in DHs like at lest be honest about it Blizzard.
>>336687162
No reason the elves couldn't be paladins they were a part of the alliance during the second war, paladins were literally 'oh shit the horde undead are fucking us teach the knights fucking smite please'
>>336687887
Draenei warlocks
Pandaren DKS
Worgen DKS
Anything but Tauren and nelf druids
Night elf paladins
There are actual reasons some races can't be some classes but it can never seriously be discussed because there's always that one faggot who goes 'maybe x taught y to be class hurr durr'
>>336689603
But remember that one time he killed that demon because he got angry?
It was a pretty important demon.
>>336689603
Because he's a regular Orc that killed a Night Elf Demigod and the most ancient and powerful Pit Lord.
Broxigar a shit, had it been Grom with Gorehowl, Sargeras would've been cleaved.
>We could have based Genn BUILD WALL Greymane as the Alliance leader
>Instead we get Anduin BLACKED Wrynn
fuck this shit
>>336686832
>was that I was on the wrong side
Truer words have never been spoken on the matter to me before...
>No Iron Mercenaries faction to rep with for the cool Iron Wolf mounts
>>336689603
Because Thrall pushed for it. Grom represented everything you shouldn't do as an Orc. Modern WoW tries to paint it as though Grom made a noble sacrifice to free the Orcs from their Pit Lord. But really, even his dying words were "I freed myself".
I'd look to Saurfang, Broxxigar or early Garrosh for what a Orc should be
>>336688809
You're a bullshitting fuccboi and you know it. ED "WPvP" consists of either a handful of cuck guilds jumping lone members of rival guilds only to run before resistance shows up, or Warsong Batallion bringing two or more full raids to Stormwind or Stormshield with zero Alliance resistance. At least on BH you've got a handful of guilds on Horde like No Mercy, IWC, and WSC getting their shit pushed in by The Enclave.
>>336689347
She is though. Trouble is is that all of her character development is done in the book and is never seen in game.
>>336688245
>Make contact with the titans
They dead son, I got the book to confirm it. They souls of the titans are actually in the keepers like Mimiron and Ra-den
>>336689098
>Select Human
>Get options for which kind of human
>Stormwind or Theramore
>Human has a baseline of stats, but they're adjusted slightly depending on which kind of human you picked, they have different class options and different racials
>While doing things in game like achievements, reaching max level, defeating a raid boss you get a type of points you can spend in character creation
>These points lets you unlock more options like Stromgarde, Gilneas and Kul'Tiras human
>Stromgarde costing very few points, but then something like Stormwind/Theramore High Elf costs a lot of points
>in faction pvp is possible, but killing people in your faction gives you a heavy reputation penalty
>go too far and you may not be welcome in Stormwind anymore
Needs some work though I can see it being a huge problem.
>>336689772
>Brashly and recklessly drank the demon blood first, dooming his entire race and destroying his home planet
>B-But he killed a peace-loving demigod when he drank the demon blood AGAIN and got a lucky hit on a pitlord!
>>336687657
Moonguard is pretty good senpai
>>336686273
Blizzard shot any sensible Warcraft lore in the foot early on by making the Burning Legion the big baddies and the instigators of the whole orcs vs humans conflict, which means that any further open conflict between horde and alliance is stupid and a step back in story development since it would only play into the legion's hands (and both factions know that in-universe). Any real war could only be realized by characters behaving erratically idiotic, and since the larger "common enemy" threat is still looming, Blizz just can write in a quick truce whenever they want - both aspects making for pretty shitty story-telling.
The political situation in vanilla was actually pretty interesting and had potential - an uneasy peace underscored by a cold war with clandestine operations and proxy wars (notice how the original battlegrounds didn't have alliance vs horde, but nominally independent sub-factions that were in open conflict). Of course, Blizz can't write for shit and that potentially interesting story direction was quickly abandoned in favor of what basically amounts to a pathetic on-again-off-again relationship, depending on whatever they want to shoehorn into the next expansion/content patch.
>Forsaken priests
>Forsaken pallies
>>336690034
>>336689772
Genn has no claim to the throne of stromwind even less seeing as there is a living adult male heir.
The real question is why the Alliance doesn't have a ruling council and instead we have a blue warchief (well the answer it metzan can't write more then one character at a time but yeah).
>>336686261
Anduin is king of Stormwind. Genn is taking up the overarching military leadership that varian had
>>336690034
>>336687887
>there's no reason why they can't be
They can't be because they're not.
Humans do not have a history of druidism.
Therefore humans can't be druids.
Technically a human could be, but generally they're not. It makes the setting more immersive when there aren't thousands of night elf paladins and human druids running around since there was a total absence of them previously.
>>336690084
>Peace loving demi god
>Literally attacked the orcs without even trying to talk to them first because of his massive fucking ego
>>336689721
>So, Genn and Jaina OTP
>Jaina taking the knot
I need some SFM of this.
>>336690192
Then who's warchief of the Horde?
>>336688659
What happened to Thrall?
>>336687138
Now you get to shove 20 imps up someone's ass that blow up for 100k are each before crits
>They didn't execute Jaina for consorting with the enemy back in BC/Wrath
Biggest mistake the Alliance ever made. She deserved to swing for her treachery.
>>336690130
Forsaken Priests would be okay if they were locked into shadow and yeah if we ever see Forsaken Pallies the game is dead to me.
>>336686721
>Calia Menethil
Is that supposed to be Arthas's sister? I quit during TBC back then, so I'm not up to date on the lore.
>>336690350
It will only hurt you to know.
>>336684641
He wouldn't even be that bad it blizzard didn't make him such a pussy. The last time he had character development he was a nonconforming bleeding heart liberal teenager crying over how war is wrong and why can't we just have peace man.
What a shitty character blizzard. All they had to do was not completely neglect alliance lore for a decade but no.
>>336690360
After cheating in the makgora he is so disgraced he's on the verge of killing himself
Probably will return in 7.2 with holy powers to help kill the big bad
>>336688981
>interracial gay marriage
wew
>>336684641
#REFUGEES WELCOME
>>336690360
le shaman man went to shaman camp with his pregnant wife or something like that
>>336690303
>invaders arrive, cut down your sacred trees and slaughter your people
>"hey why didn't you try to talk to us man, jesus what's your deal"
>>336690480
Wut? Cheating? Suicidal? What the actual fuck?
>>336689843
>Anduin BLACKED Wrynn
Is this just another anon trying to force a maymay or is there any legit back up to this?
>>336690060
>Tease the titans since vanilla
>Shit the bed when they realise they might have to find a way to write the incomprehensible imortal being as on our side for once.
>Lol they were kill all along
Blizzard just hire an actual writer its been 10 years you've made billions you can take the fucking hit.
>>336690302
I agree with you. I never said that any race SHOULD have access to every class, it's just that the majority of the restrictions are arbitrary. There's no reason as to why the humans couldn't be taught druidism, but I don't think they should just because.
>>336690019
>WSB
It's a guild populated with baddy shitters that are a standing joke on the server. People make games of seeing how many Warsong Battalion fags they can 1vX until they call in the whole guild. As a result, WSB players hide in their garrisons all day because they get insta-gibbed in the world unless they're rolling with the whole thousand man guild.
And the Enclave? How long has it been since you've played? They're dead mang. As far as the Horde guilds, ALL they do is the same shit that the Enclave used to. Raid enemy capitals and sit on them. I was with IWC for a year and a half and it got so damn boring. "Hey guys, we're going to raid Darnassus again tonight!"
No, organized WPvP isn't what you think it is. The fact that you haven't hung around ED long enough to understand that SSxTM style fights exist constantly, both by happenstance and by being preplanned (seriously, check the forums, they plan them constantly) tells me you don't know what you're talking about.
>>336690427
Yeah
>>336690453
Just tell us.
>>336690303
>Greenskins enter your holy forest and start chopping all your ancient trees down and planting their ugly fucking buildings everywhere
>Seriously thinking that wasn't provocation
By then Grom and the Warsong clan were fully aware they were logging in Night Elf territory.
>>336689102
>All Arthas had to do was sacrifice himself for another guy.
Wow.
>>336690307
>Jaina already fucked Arthas, Kael'thas, probably Antonidas, Thrall, Garrosh, Ronin and now Genn
Not even Alexzstraza is that much of a slut
>>336688835
Space does work the same. The nether isn't space though
>>336688601
>110
Dude, He was like 35 during the first war and second war. Those are blurred but seemed to have been atleast 4 years at most. Then there was 19 years of peace, Throw in the year long Third War and Aftermath of the Lich king... Another 4 years until WoW where 3 years pass until the Cataclysm/Mists 2-3 years until Warlords happened and a few monthes until Legion
Dude is only 69/70 years old
>>336690557
He was wearing armor and he asked the elementals to help him. I think the elementals even turn their back on him in Legion.
I think it's all in service of him "redeeming" himself to become literal green jesus again
https://youtu.be/8SfkwUeCTXc?t=339
>>336690557
The doom hammer is salty he used magic when he fought Garrosh (or its salty he wont admit Garrosh was his fault) so it wont work for him anymore, which is why we get a crack at it.
>>336684641
I think hes going to be the king of stormwind but either genn or magni will step up as leader until logash is found beating up crabs with a plankboard on a beach somewhere
>>336690557
He's exaggerating. Thrall cheated in his duel by using the elements,and because of that, the elements no longer speak to him. That's why the player gets the doomhammer.
>>336690084
That's the point. Grom was how an Orc SHOULD act. Thrall was raised by humans and so is a pussified peace-loving hippy faggot. Orcs are about conquest and battle. Drink the blood of a demon to be a better fighter and conquer more? Fuck yes!
And among all the death and glory Orcs, Grom has the most impressive pedigree of feats.
>>336690480
I swear I'm going to be so butthurt if blizz made this canon
Not only do the rules vary from fight to fight but they already had a mak'gora where thrall used shaman powers
The idea of him cheating is fueled by nothing but the hateboner some have for him
>>336690574
He's the buttbuddy of that Black Dragon
>still caring about WoW lore
why are you hurting yourself
>>336690659
Sylvanas is acting warchief in Vol'jin's absence.
>>336690883
maymay it is then.
>>336690693
You're completely retarded if you're going to put Sylvannas on the same level as Arthas. She's a shitter, but she is nowhere near Arthas level bullshit.
>>336689236
Only sylvanas stuff now is she makes some undisclosed deal with Helya for something that would allow her to make the goddess of the Odyn friendly Valkyrs necromanctic like the ones she lost. Followed by Genn destroying her means of doing so in the last minute and passing her off real bad
>>336690591
Remember, Algalon was pointless....
All those times in Dalaran hearing the 'CALL OUT TO THE SKY' shit?
Useless
Completely useless
>>336690672
No I'm pretty sure he didn't
Orcs unknowingly travel into NE territory to start making a base
Cenarius pops up and start calling them faggots and says he's gonna kill them
Orcs defend themselves from a crazy half beast demigod
>>336690901
I am almost enjoying my anger
>>336690019
>The Enclave
>Dead
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743724758
>>336690839
Weren't the elements supposed to be spirits that act according to their own will, helping the shaman only if they think it's a rightful cause?
If that's so, why did they help him in the first place if they thought it was dishonorable?
>>336689098
Go back to square one with vanilla lore and a group of writers who can actually do more than lolcorruption. Make the world/zones massive. More classes/races with multiple smaller factions.good gameplay
>>336690956
>>336690659
Actually Sylvy doesn't become warchief until the mid point of Legion. She pushes for it through the beginning then shit goes down and she effectively earns her spot with full support of her peers.
>>336690659
Sylvanas is warchief.
Saurfang is Orc leader.
>>336690980
Arthas did nothing wrong
>>336690852
Orcs are peaceful and noble tribals who love nothing more than communing with the elements and spending long hours fishing by the riverside.
>>336690657
So Arthas just so happened to have a secret sister all along that was never mentioned in WC3?
This is SC2 Valerian level of bullshit.
>>336690901
All I care about is Maeiv, and whether or not they actually go the yandere route with her.
Calia is worthless
Alleria and Turalyon are dead
Ashbringers for everyone
Still no Arthas
>>336690646
see
>>336691031
>>336684641
Okay, tell me again why Tyrande isn't the leader of the alliance?
Yes I know she's impulsive and tends to pick fights that are slightly too strong for her forces to take on. But that's just opportunities for the players to pick up the slack.
>>336690350
The only one with a massive military presence now, Sylvanas
>>336690302
>Humans do not have a history of druidism.
They do. Before the faith of Tyr humans were harvest witches and shamans.
>>336690852
>Grom was how an Orc SHOULD act
I completely agree, he was still a fucking shit though.
>>336691046
It's more Thrall being distraught for cheating in the first place. He's beating himself up over it, and the elements find him unworthy because of it.
>>336691116
She was engaged to Daval Prestor for a time, fucking imagine that shit. Arthas' sister was engaged to fucking Deathwing
>>336691193
She's too busy sucking Malfurion's cock
>>336691152
Maiev fucks old men for money.
>>336690956
BASIC CAMPFIRE FOR WARCHIEF
>>336691193
Dude, she is literally retarded. Everything she does, she fucks up.
>>336690980
Arthas just went insane and got controlled by Ner'zul. Sylvanas got salty after turning into an undead. The former is a classical fantasy BBEG, the latter is a person without much moral restrictions building their own happiness after getting into shit. I don't know who is more "evil"
>>336691339
You shut your fucking mouth
>>336691193
She's a troll now, she joined the horde.
>>336690875
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Mak%27gora
-No witness
-One Weapon
-No Armour
Now, As much as you would argue Thrall had 'One Weapon'... He also had the elements, Which are not only another kind of weapon in each of themselves... But they are also Participants. They are actual beings.
>>336691046
Different standards between draenor elements and Azeroth ones
>>336691102
At the start, no he didn't. Strathholm needed to happen, there was no way around it. Just about everything he did after that though was fucked up.
>>336690410
Undead paladins are a hell of a lot better than whatever the fuck the tauren are.
>>336691152
>All I care about is Maeiv, and whether or not they actually go the yandere route with her
God I hate faggots that peddle that stupid shit. Hurr durr le Maiev le actually loved Illidan xDD Gotta be one of the most retarded circlejerks theories ever. She straight up despised Illidan, play WC3 again.
>>336690980
Apparently WoW hell doesn't discriminate.
>>336691397
Oh sorry, wrong warden.
>>336688485
Blood elves and Forsaken are like the only powerful factions in the Horde lorewise. Orcs got shit on during Seige, trolls were never good at anything and fucked things up worse, tauren are tauren and goblins lost a lot of merchanting goodwill for helping Garrosh. Meanwhile, Forsaken have the most land and resources out of anyone in Eastern Kingdoms and the blood elves have more ancient artifacts of untold power than dwarves.
>>336691116
She's been in the lore since forever. Most of her storyline was actually tied in with early Deathwing shenanigans and him infiltrating the Lordaeron nobility.
>>336691008
Grom sir, we're getting attacked should we fall back?
No Kill all the mysterious Amazon women we see and push forward that's what Thrall would want in this land we just found after he's been trying to systematically craft a series of alliances with every group we meet.
Grom this is Cenarius the immortal demigod of this magical forest leave or be destroyed
AWW SHHEEET
Hey Grom we found a fountain of demon blood, you remember the stuff you drank to doom your people? I mean we could just fall back o...
WE WAS KINGS
Hordefags actually believe Grom did nothing wrong.
>>336691473
Pursuing Malganus was unnecessary but understandable
>>336691079
Is there a cutscene of her becoming warchief?
>>336691308
Guess I'll completely give up on Warcraft lore then. Sounds all horrible to me.
>>336691181
Yes, the Enclave is still dead and will continue to be dead for at least two more months. Where they MIGHT have a chance at recruiting enough people to be relevant. How does that contradict anything I said?
>>336691496
Yeah but now he's a good guy and will impress her with his double jumping.
>>336691116
Deathwing tried to bone her in WC2 for the political gains
No one gonna point out he was the King during Vanilla & TBC?
No Bolvar wasn't the King you retards
reminder that garrosh did nothing wrong
>>336691702
Garithos and Garrosh did literally nothing wrong familia.
>>336691541
When was that? I don't remember anywhere in the game mentioned Arthas having a sister.
>>336691674
1. he wasn't old enough to be a cuck
2. he wasn't old enough to have actual power
>>336691496
>She straight up despised Illidan
More like, she was obsessed with him for no reason other than "he was released unlawfully". Though he killed some of her friends indeed.
>>336691628
That had been in the lore before even BC though, before lore went completely to shit.
>>336691193
Because they don't have a centralized leader. Just a military commander and she was kind of bad at that in wc3 with the whole let's mow down everyone that could help that are also fighting the demons.
>>336691561
No, you're right. He and the Orcs should've just retreated. Lok'tar O'rrun, amirite?Neo-Horde players are pussies.
>>336691479
Priests who picked up a shield?
>>336690360
being "niggered"
this is a old screenshot from one of the earlier alpha builds. hes no longer in new dalaran.
>>336691762
Garritos trusted Sylvanas and died.
>>336688021
This. Emerald dream is the shit. Alliance has more rp from back when I played. Lots of small and medium sized guilds with specific racial and surfaction requirements. Horde had more pvp powerhouse guilds that weren't really RPers, and smaller RP guilds.
But it was fun because if you went to a night elf area, it would be protected by two dozen night elves. The arathi Highlands were guarded by the remnants of arathor, the undead areas were overlooked by an undead guild. There were massive dwarf and gnome guilds that worked together. The world really felt alive because players were actively role playing in their own areas as well as planning attacks on other RP guilds.
Storm wind was where all the special snowflakes and erpers were. Everyone was a bisexual demon hunter ninja from the Uchiha clan. Basically a mini moonguard but they were in the minority and everyone despises them.
>>336691396
Arthas willingly sacrificed his soul, and as far as he knew, the life of Muradin for personal gain. Sylvanas wasn't just made undead, she was also systematically tortured by being made into a banshee that was forced to continue slaughtering her brethren. After joining the h, all she's done was seek revenge on arthas, and literally killed herself after he was brought down.
>>336691921
Jesus, Jaina gets deposed and Horde filth is already invading. What a time to be alive.
Bet she regrets killing dear old Daelin now, doesn't she
>>336691674
>No Bolvar wasn't the King you retards
>He actually thinks boykings historically have held any real power and their realms weren't governed day-to-day by men
>>336690130
>>336690410
there has been a undead paladin in wow since vanilla though
>>336689457
It's a shop, yes
>>336691794
Novelization, originally. She's mostly just been a forgotten footnote in the WoW lore though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USt9ErM182s
>>336691926
Sylvanas should be killed for that treachery. If only Garithos could rule Eastern Kingdoms, and Garrosh could have Kalimdor. The world would be literally perfect.
>>336691532
That's not the point. The point is why the fuck would Blood Elves still want to be part of the Horde? Especially when the Horde leadership is doing shit twice as dumb as what Kael was trying to pull.
>>336686905
>Order Resources
They never fucking learn
>>336691987
>the life of Muradin
Did he? That's not exactly clear from the WC3 cutscene
>for personal gain
For the goal of killing Malganus, whom he blamed for his country's fall
>>336691569
You, but the extent that Arthas went to was co.pletely unnecessary. Literally killing the innocent and burning his own boats, which, given how harsh the environment was in Northrend would lead to more deaths of his own people, is all a bit much given how it was all done without consent.
>>336692029
>>336691460
That doesn't change what I said. Garrosh wanted it the "old way" without knowing what it meant meaning different rule sets and again no one said shit about cheating the last time they fought
His powers weren't even out of desperation then, he just used them from the get go
>>336692191
They were in talks with Varian about rejoining the Alliance before Jaina got wind of what happened in Dalaran, and systematically purged it of all Horde
>>336691974
Name one relevant Alliance PvP guild on ED with more than 20-odd members.
>>336691479
>Sunwalkers are those relearning about the balance of nature because them discussing the ways of their race made them notice the Night Elves focus on Moon worship has influenced them greatly and made them forget the importance of the sun
>Sunwalkers and 'Priests' are just a group of seers that 'fit' into Pally roles, But are actually more a type of Druid made for war/troubling times.
>Undead Paladin's are hard to produce, Death leaves a void in beings that make most crave for death of themselves or others. Undead priests use Light as a weapon for the most part, causing themselves great pain in weilding it. Even those with a purpose and speak out are silenced by the Banshee Queen's orders
>Undead cannot bathe themselves in enough Holy Light that can justify their existance besides being walking Time bombs that would explode into blessed meaty chunks
>Two huge factions with inter mingling cultures, delegates from each nation can easily be found in respective capitals
>Its impossible to believe a blood elf would learn shamanism from a druid or a tauren would learn light magic from an elf or an Orc would learn kung fu from a panda
>NO YOUR RACE CAN ONLY KNOW HOW TO DO A VERY SELECT SET OF THINGS
You guys are idiots.
>>336692273
Zeliek, son. One of the Four Horsemen of Naxxramas?
