Will you play on the legacy servers?
not if they're $15 a month.
It doesnt cost that much money to run a server, and theyre not developing new content for it anyways, so a full sub is something I wont pay for out of principal
>>336665662
Without my bros it is just more of a slog to shittier raids.
It will never be spring 2005 again.
Long enough to defeat Kel'Thuzad/Kil'Jaeden/Yoggy+0 and to accurately document the exact details of how the game used to work such that it can be properly reimplemented for preservation purposes (even the hypothetical legacy servers are going down at some point and Blizzard sure as hell isn't releasing their source code and databases so that's what needs to be done).
>>336665662
NO, IM TOO BUSY PLAYING RUNESCAPE TO PLAY SOME SHITTY OLD MMO, ANON
what legacy servers? there are none.
I will gladly pay 100 bucks monthly just to feel nostalgic for a second. Am I right my fellow nostalbros?
Only if it's free
>>336665662
No, vanilla was awful
>>336665662
>implying there will ever be legacy servers
It would only happen if WoW is completely dead and they got for a last cash grab before abandoning it.
>>336665662
Aye
>>336666071
Well, they decided to meet with Mike and nost development team
>>336666231
Yeah, to convince them not to leak the source code, not to hire them to work on official vanilla realms.
>>336666071
>It would only happen if WoW is completely dead
So you're saying now would be the perfect time? I agree with you
>>336666280
WoW has more than 5 million active subscribers, its nowhere near dead.
>>336666321
>WoW has more than 5 million active subscribers
lol
>>336666321
Source on current active subscribers? Ohhhhhhh wait
i thought i wanted it, but i don't
>>336666364
Take the graph you are laughing about, continue the downwards trend, it will show more than 5 million.
>>336666269
"Leak" is a strange choice of words since the copyright of whatever changes the Nostalrius team has made to the emulation software (90%+ of work on the server was already conducted by open source community: https://github.com/cmangos/mangos-classic probably is the version Nostalrius was forked from) is theirs and theirs alone.
>>336666321
>source : my ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
WoW has more than 5 million active subscribers!
>>336666528
It includes chinks, and chinks don't sub.
>>336666540
Except they literally just said they weren't going to make the source code public and right after their meeting, too.
>>336666652
>right after their meeting
Meeting didn't happen yet
But of course you don't care about such little things as "facts"
>>336666652
Right after the preliminary phone calls and email exchange*
They haven't met yet.
>>336666724
I thought they did from this announcement they made. (Where they say they aren't going to release the source code.)
http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44031
>>336666528
>5.6 mil subs at the start of June
>6.2 releases on June 23rd
>5.5 mil subs 3 months later
>it has now been 8 months with no new content
>WoW is somehow at 5 mil subs still
I think you may be retarded
>>336666921
>5.6 before the content update
>5.5 after the content update gets stale
Thats the level WoW subs float at. Between 5 and 6 millions.
It will rise when a new update hits, and fall back to this level after people play through it.
>>336666834
>http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44031
>and we are currently scheduling a meeting at Blizzard campus
But seriously people who thought that they will met blizzard on the last weekend and that announcment related to the legacy servers were retarded
You don't schedule meeting during current weekend on the friday without even talking about time of meeting
It was obvious from the start that this things aren't related to each other
>>336665662
No, if i play WoW i want to play the most up to date version.
>>336667012
I'm aware. I said I was wrong about the meeting. But the point was about the source code being kept private and on that I'm not wrong.
>>336665662
>Will you play on the legacy servers?
I would play for a few weeks if they're free.
>>336665662
no.
im not a teenager anymore, i come here just for the nostalgia
>>336665662
Nah vanilla was shit
>>336665662
Nobody does. Anyone who thinks they can recapture the feeling of 'vanilla' WoW just by putting up a server for an old version is delusional.
>>336666652
Maybe they were influenced by Blizzard in some way ("don't release the source code and we won't sue you") or to get a more favourable negotiating position in the meeting that's still to come but there's absolutely nothing Blizzard could do to stop Nostalrius devs from publishing their changes if they wanted to.
It's not ultimately a huge deal either way. Of course, it's a better starting point than MaNGOS (or MaNGOS Zero, CMaNGOS or other forks) is right now but we're not talking about any categorical difference (optimizations are a big thing, followed by some other core mechanics like passable pathing and pet AI, Dire Maul which is in a dreadful state by default and T1/2 raids, but if you think about questing content for example, in many ways open source emulation for WotLK is actually more advanced than Nostalrius was, they had done barely anything at all).
>>336667007
That's hilarious, because sub numbers haven't gone below 6 million since 2005. Even the tail end of MoP had 7 million
>>336667335
Yes, in other years the subs floated around a different number. How is that relevant?
The sub count just before the expansion is a low point, you don't get further away from fresh content and thats as low as it gets at this time.
It may slowly decline, but even with that consideration it would be above 5 million currently.
It may drop lower next year, after this expansion is stale.
>>336665662
>Will
>implying
Ayyyy LMAO
http://crixa.io/?p=75
>Basically what we are looking at here is a big question about how to handle expansions with vanilla or legacy servers. Only 15% wanted vanilla to never be upgraded. Anecdotally, I received many tweets (@Grummz, btw), that said TBC (Burning Crusade) was the sweet spot they would like to play.
Nostr and vanilla fags BTFO hard
>>336667224
>vanilla was THE shit
Fixed that for you, my mentally challenged friend.
I would. I played Nost on and off a bit while also playing retail, so I already know I can balance both.
I'm somewhat interested in those Pristine servers Blizzard was contemplating though. Current content with no shitting cross realm shenanigans and LFG/LFR? That might be kewl.
Just wish retail had a talent tree instead of this stupid grid shit. Sure there may have been "One" optimal spec for raiding, but raiding isn't the only thing in the game. Shit, as enhance I probably broke the General Vezax fight in Uld by going half and half Enh/Resto and dual wielding spell weapons imbued with Earthliving - more heals than full healers and infinite mana due to regen on hit.
Fun and stupid builds were just that - fun.
>>336667562
thats obvious, tbc is the best expansion by far. wotlk isnt bad but its the start of the casual shitfest. Vanilla is just boring.
>>336666540
>is theirs and theirs alone
That's not how derivative works work.
That's not how Bli$$ards high powered corporate lawyers will see it.
That's not how a court will see it.
>>336667759
>anime poster
Opinion disregarded
>>336667681
>kewl
What is this, 2000?
>>336667562
Never upgrading would only work if they added new content to vanilla like jagex is doing with oldschool runescape. If they however added new content and fixed bugs/balanced talents etc. I bet more people would rather it stay pre-tbc
>>336667994
he's right though
>>336667836
Complaining about anime on 4chan is like complaining about gays in a gay bar, friend. Believe it or not, there are image boards that aren't anime-centric and might be more suited to you.
>>336665662
no. Playing realm reborn feels more like playing old wow then playing current wow.
>>336667562
TBC killed wow
No one wants TBC
>>336665662
Yes and I will love every second of it.
>>336665662
No doubt. My friends and I have been eager for legacy servers ever since we all quit in Cataclysm. The only reason we didn't play on Nostalrious was because we knew it would eventually be shut down and we'd lose our characters and progress.
>>336668682
>>336668237
If the current game wasn't shit, they wouldn't even have to consider this.
>>336665778
You know, you could already work on wowpedia anon
>>336667994
Yea, why you should they listen to the community at all? They should just continue to do their own thing and keep making that AMAZING content that everyone's been enjoying these past few years!
>>336665662
Yes
>>336666071
once legion flops or at it's 14 month no content.
Legacy servers will emerge
>>336668953
Post-Cata WoW is already well-documented through all the Youtube content and such like, and I see no value in preserving modern WoW anyhow (it's a shit game, and it's not culturally relevant, while WoW when it was "a thing" was a major pop culture phenomenon).
Or are you talking about using it as a source? That doesn't work, because it's both incomplete and unreliable. There's some useful information there (like transcripts of some RP events) that you reasonably cannot get wrong but as a resource for mechanics it's unreliable (it's pretty much the same deal as sourcing Wikipedia in an academic work) and doesn't really go into detail that isn't available from more reliable sources (like Elitistjerks). I'm thinking of details like the "spell delay" (batch processing): it's a mechanic that most definitely existed but it really looks like some abilities were exempt and their auras were applied instantly. Does Wowpedia have a list of such abilities? It don't have anything of the sort (the only information about it ever existing seems to be a brief quote in a list of WOD changes: http://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft:_Warlords_of_Draenor#Reduced_latency).
Or consider something like durability damage formula (http://wow.gamepedia.com/Durability#Durability_loss): not only does it fail to provide any numbers or details about how the damage is distributed or if avoided attacks cause damage or whatever, but the information it provides is actually completely wrong at least in regards to current retail (for example, casting spells does not cause durability damage to the weapon, you can find research about retail in https://github.com/ccshiro/cc-buglist/issues/1823 but if previous expansions worked the same is anyone's guess). And you don't need to even get that technical: does it have any information that tells how Shimmering Flats races worked? No, there isn't even a transcript of what the NPCs say during the event.
>>336669936
> And you don't need to even get that technical: does it have any information that tells how Shimmering Flats races worked? No, there isn't even a transcript of what the NPCs say during the event.
It's a wiki anon, get working on it then. That's what i've been doing for months and it feels great
>>336667649
No, he was right vanilla was dogshit.
>>336667994
This is the kind of drone who shat on Dota and any games like it when Blizzard made their biggest blunder only to suck HOTS' dick when it came out. He will praise legacy servers when they happen.
kek
>>336667310
I was under the impression their mangos changes were public, the source code they weren't publicizing was code that interacted with mangos but was no a direct modification of it, like bot detection and anti cheat. Since mangos is GPL, it's actually illegal not to release their modifications of it. Whether they make an effort to get it into the main codebase or not is a different thing.
>>336665662
No, vanilla was garbage
>>336666321
Out of which at least 2 million are chinese who only pay for the actual time they play so their one month subs last the whole years since you only play the game 30 minutes per day now.
Would be a pretty retarded move from Blizzard to set up legacy realm
>WoW is literally dying
>"let's set up a better version of the game, that surely will sell our next 49€ expansion scam! :^)"
>>336672147
If the next expansion was a requirement for it? Yes it would
>>336672207
>the only way to sell the steaming pile of shit called Legion is to bundle it with vanilla, TBC, wrath or all of them
I feel sorry for the current dev team. I'm sure Jay Wilson is doing his best!
>>336672482
Sorry, forgot my picture*
>>336670430
How am I supposed to write about Shimmering Flats races for example when they don't fucking exist anymore and there doesn't seem to be any (surviving) video documentation (even incidental, Joana's guide for example has been a great resource elsewhere) about them either? You CAN'T. And anyhow, Wowpedia by large isn't documenting legacy WoW in any way (the fact that you can view article history is incidental), if I went editing "Fireball" article and added "sp coefficiencies by rank in 2.4.3", if the Wiki is at all maintained, it'd be removed immediately.
And most importantly, it's not a primary source. If you want to recreate legacy WoW, you don't go to Wowpedia for information, you follow the primary sources (like video evidence, datamined information, books like WoW Bestiary that appear to have had access to a part of Blizzard's databases, or Elitistjerks discussions where the theorycrafting concerning a mechanic was originally figured out), using Wowpedia/Wowwiki would be the last resort even if the quality of its contributors was much higher. I've been thinking of launching a website for collecting accurate information about legacy WoW (with every detail sourced to a reliable primary source of course), but right now the best place to document your findings are private server issue trackers because that's where they are most easily found by people actually seeking to implement them (there's also an added benefit of not having information overload, you don't need to list things that already work).
>>336672554
You can still get to it. You can write about your memories, someone will probably tag it with {{citation needee}} but that's ok.
Wowpedia is not just about modern wow. Right now im updating the article about the orc catapults in warcraft 3. Two days ago i edited the dragonmaw clan page to tell about how they looked in wow vanilla.
You can help anon
>>336667681
>I'm somewhat interested in those Pristine servers
>>336667681
>I'm somewhat interested in those Pristine servers
Just don't use level boosting items you dumb fuck
No need to make realms dedicated for those
Whatever happened to the original scripting, anyway?
>>336673565
they claimed to have thrown it all out
>>336667007
You are a fucking retard and a blizz shill if you still think the wow subs are at 5m right now. You can look at the population of most live realms alone to know that is not true. Sub numbers are likely fluctuating between 3 and 4m atm.
>>336665778
>>336669936
This is arguably the most important thing about official legacy servers.
It'd be fun for a while, but I'd probably not stick around all that long.
It'd certainly get more money out of me than modern WoW.
>>336673565
Most of the scripts for bosses and such are obviously still around since the bosses are still in the game.
As for spells that have been removed, they're also removing spells in Legion but some of those have still been available, because they're not really removed, just "hidden". Whether that's how they've always done it is anyone's guess.
But as for whether Blizzard straight up has good version history all the way back to 1.12 is another question, and even more so whether they would want to use the outdated servers when they've made hundreds (more likely thousands) of technical improvements and bug fixes since.
I really doubt they would use 1.12 rather than mod the current game to emulate vanilla. Using 1.12 is obviously the easy path that gets something out the door the fastest, but in the long run it's not great because of technical issues (i.e. the risk that the client has issues with a modern GPU) that they then can't fix without having to maintain both games and constantly port fixes between them.
>>336673430
>don't use xp boosts
>implying half the problem is that xp required to level isn't so low you out level zones half way through butt fucking naked
>implying the other half isn't that the world ends up dead because everyone ELSE is face rolling in the dungeon finder in full heirlooms
I really dont get how you fuck nuts miss that people are looking for a good community that isn't 99% anonymous schmuks who happen to play on another server in their battlegroup.
>>336673565
Since it's virtually impossible to coordinate the development of a multi-developer project without some version control system (indeed, ~everyone uses them even for solo projects because it's just so damn convenient), it's pretty much unthinkable Blizzard actually has lost the original source code. Maybe as a part of transitioning from one VCS to another (like from Visual SourceSafe to Git) but that too is stretching it. Databases I could kinda understand (and depending on how retail implemented certain things, that could be much more than just mob stats and include stuff like boss "scripts" as well, although in the case of bosses specifically, a lot of them are still in the game and the lost details are original stats) but server source code, no. If they say they've lost it, they're 99% certainly lying.
WoW is overrated shit and everyone who plays it ruined MMO gaming for future generations
>>336674230
(You)
I want to play real vanilla so bad desu. Feenix was garbage, Kronos was garbage, Nostalrius was the best scripted vanilla server I've ever played on and it still had thousands of bugs, ranging from small to borderline gamebreaking.
But blizzard can deliver. Hell, I'd fucking love to see vanilla with vanilla-like bugs like stuck vanish animations or corpse sliding. And actual, real pre-TBC wall-walking. Hell, that'd be dank.
>>336675842
Wall walking/jumping was removed in the wotlk, not TBC
I remember people jumping out from Kara and ZF and explore alpha locations(not sure why blizzard left them there)
>>336665662
There will never be legacy servers.
Never fucking ever.
>>336672554
1k Needles and Azshara are the two most disgraceful zone changes... it's simply fucking disgusting.
Mysterious, barely populated landscapes turned into fucking goblin theme parks.
Are they a metaphor for what was done to WoW in general?
>>336665662
>>336676028
Tbh the idea of thousand needles flooding as a result of the Cataclysm was fucking neato
Then they had to put their Cataclysm quest design philosophy to work and it all went to shit
>>336675963
Oh man I remember wall jumping, jumping into walls at a slight angle getting stuck in it somehow and repeating the process to get just about anywhere.
Used to chill on the top of the cathedral in Stormwind shouting at Allies.
>>336676028
>disliking 1k needles changes
Fucking wotlk kids
People begged for river here since vanilla
>>336676143
>>336676196
What's more interesting, a canyon with a unique ecosystem or a fucking river with rocks sticking out of it?
Sure, maybe it could have worked if they did a lot more work on that zone, but it went from something interesting to a river with a goblin boat on it and some """"""hilarious"""""" pirate quests.
You're right about Cataclysm quests, though. They are the definiion of awful, especially when you think about what they replaced.
>>336676454
>original 1k
>unique and interesting
Please be bait
>>336676546
Well it's definitely unique, not sure how you could possiblye argue against that.
As for interesting it's a matter of personal preference. I always liked zones that felt untouched and somewhat empty, with less quests and settlements.
>>336673978
Why don't you keep question on the out level zones anyway? There is no difference. With heirlooms you'll be one shoting everything in zones in your level range anyways.
Before blizzard pull out their asses this "pristine" realm thing, no one was asking for it.
>>336677591
People are asking for it though. The whole reason people keep bitching about legacy servers is that they want server communities back, along with the old world and old class set ups. Pristine servers are the low balled counter offer where players get maybe 1/3 of what they're asking for, and the brought it up because it's something they can implement without too much work on their part.
>>336676196
Fuck you nigger Thousand Needles/Shimmering Flats were two of my favourite zones in Vanilla/BC and they fucking butchered them.
>>336678442
No they weren't
Stop lying, wotlk kid
>Kungen is self-appointed "leader of the rebellion"
>after ranting for a week or so and playing some youtube videos he caves, buys a subscription and gets a ton of other people to resub with his dumb project 60 shit, literally proving Blizzard right
ITS
NOT
FAIR
>>336678357
>1/3
More like 5%
>>336665971
Blizzard is so fucking based i dont even care if you call me shill
>>336678663
I think it's possible that twitch was getting angry at him for having no gameplay, and he needed some way to stay in the WoW section of twitch.
>>336678663
Wait what?
Didn't he left wow years ago for the others mmo?
Honestly, I had my fill of Legacy on Nost.
Shit was fun, but times have changed and so have I. A little nostalgia can be good, but there were a lot problems with vanilla WoW that all came crashing back to me on Nost.
That being said I really really like the idea of Pristine servers and I would definitely come back for that.
>>336678951
He has played in every expansion, he was #1 warrior in WoD for a while which he gladly tells people when they say the game is harder now. He stopped playing "hardcore" in Cataclysm because "hardcore" has been meaningless since then.
The last couple of weeks he has been doing nothing but showing screenshots and videos comparing old and new and talking about how shit WoD is, then he goes and fucking resubs.
>>336678627
I started playing mid-vanilla you dumb faggot.
Yeah I would.
>>336679048
"Problems with vanilla Wow................That being said............I am a Blizzdrone."
You said nothing about your experience except that the nostalgia was GOOD.
>>336679048
>Doesn't like the "problems" in Vanilla so much that he won't play it
>Is willing to put up with the dogshit in WoD/Legion as long as they remove all the QoL fluff
Your opinion is shit, my man.
>>336678685
>can't accept proven mistake because of pride
>based
lol, based people usually see error of their own ways and usually fix them
WotLK > MoP > WoD > BC > Cata > Vanilla
>>336679770
>Wrathbabby actually thinks his opinion means more than fucking dirt
>>336679473
I said it had problems. I thought me specifying that it had problems implied that I was not happy with it? Reading comprehension: it's a thing.
Nostalgia is good, but I got tired of it. There are too many faults with how boring 90% of the specs are, and how overpowered those last 10% come out because of it.
WoW needed time to mature, and vanilla just wasn't it. We were just less picky about it when we were 12 because we didn't know better.
>>336679565
>as long as they remove all the QoL fluff
Well, yeah. Take out the bad stuff and I'm sure I can find fun in Legion.
>>336679770
>WoD being better than anything
Nice try shill but to even put that in third place you must be getting paid for it.
>>336679770
WotLK > BC > Vanilla > MoP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cata/WoD
TBC > Vanilla >>> Wrath >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MoP >>> Cataclysm > WoDObjectively.
>>336665662
No. Just waiting blizzard to die.
>>336680029
we have a winner lads
>>336665662
yes
>>336667994
After years dealing with both /v/ and the WoW community I'm still not sure which one is worse
>>336679984
For PVP, definitely.
>tfw saving up blizzcuck posts for the butthurt montage when legacy servers are announced
>>336667759
There have been shit tons of reverse-engineering related copyright lawsuits. Copyright only protects source code you write, others are free to achieve the same results with their own code.
There are some things the servers use that do belong to blizzard, like environment meshes and pathing. But you are only infringing on copyright if you distribute these. Using them breaks blizzard's EULA, but EULA is not the law and is on thin ice in contract law.
>>336680176
>Seriously thinking /v/ is even approaching the level of shittiness of the WoW forums
Don't get me wrong, this place is fucking shit, but holy fuck the WoW forums are just on another plane of existence.
>>336679770
Accurate
>>336680389
>others are free to achieve the same results with their own code
Even this shit isn't necessarily true after the botched Google/Oracle lawsuit desu
>>336679770
WotLK > MoP > BC > WoD > Cata > > > > Vanilla
>>336679938
"When we were 12"
Speak for yourself. Most of us were like your older siblings with a better understanding of everything.
>>336679770
Have another (you) for your effort, senpai
WotLK > MoP > WoD > Cata > BC > > > > > dogshit > Vanilla
>>336680684
>WoD again in third place
>those spaces between >s
is this a new entry in the shill's playbook?
>>336679984
>>336680029
overall fun:
bc > vanilla > wrath pre-3.2 > mists > cata > wrath 3.2 and on > wod
balance:
mists > wrath > cata > wod > bc > vanilla
raids:
mists > bc > wrath > cata > wod > vanilla
community:
vanilla > bc > wrath pre-3.2 > big gap > wrath 3.2 and on > cata > mists > wod
pvp:
no clue, never did all that much pvp, but probably lines up with balance. pre-nerf av was fun as shit though and they should bring it back. also would be nice to have a middle ground between pvp realms and pve realm or at least some way to make pvp more competitive at lower levels and less "call your guild up when people start stomping you and hope they stomp harder"
>>336680684
WotLK > MoP > WoD > Cata > > > > > > dogshit > BC > Vanilla
Fixed
Vanilla WoW was our generations Woodstock, 'Nam, WW2 etc etc
Truly, I pity those that could not be part of the experience.
A different plane of entertainment.
>>336680538
>better understanding of everything
>still accept that 90% of the specs were absolutely useless
Guess some people don't grow out of shit taste.
>>336680832
PVP:
WOTLK (before 3.3.5) > WOTLK (after 3.3.5) > MoP > Cata > WoD > Vanilla
Vanilla was just dogshit for PVP because the game was still in its infantile stages. The game really got tight around WOTLK with classes having tons of abilities that are actually useful too, along with some obscure spells like you would expect in vanilla.
>>336680932
>Someone ACTUALLY believes this.
How sad.
>>336675963
>(not sure why blizzard left them there)
DEEPEST
LORE
Protip: If you think Wrath was the best expansion you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and should refrain from polluting the topic with your shit opinions.
>>336681004
you forgot BC lad
>>336681147
Didn't play it. Was hospitalized.
>>336681142
This. WOTLK had cool lore I guess but it's dungeons were mindless easy bullshit and it was the start of the casulization.
>>336680869
>cata
>better than dogshit
>bc
>bad
You fuckin tool
>>336681004
>PVP:
>WOTLK (before 3.3.5) > WOTLK (after 3.3.5)
Holy fuck Wrathbaby you are so fucking wrong it hurts my brain. Early Wrath PvP was one of the worst PvP times in WoW's history. You don't know fucking anything, stop posting.
>>336681367
Maybe you're the retarded one.
>After 3.3.5
PALADINS ARE WINGED SUPER SAIYANS, ALL MELEES WIELDING EITHER SHADOWMOURNE OR SOME OTHER OP PIECE OF SHIT, WARRIORS MS BOTTING OVERPOWERING YOU FOR OVER 7K.
The balance just went straight out the fucking window.
>>336676546
Actually 1k is pretty memorable because it's this long stretch of choke points and a lot of travel goes through there. Made world pvp interesting compared to open spaces where it's easy to avoid people.
>>336681471
Nigga did you even do PvP in early Wrath? Season 5 was an absolute clusterfuck.
>>336681553
I had a BiS Frost Mage and Arms Warrior so yeah. If I paired up with my Ret friend, we'd be unstoppable.
>>336681509
Shimmering Flats was also an excellent questing area
>>336681607
>If I paired up with my Ret friend, we'd be unstoppable.
>Because I played the OP shit I conveniently forget how fucking unbalanced it was
Typical shitter behaviour.
>>336681017
Obviously you weren't there, you cultural dullard.
You are a nothing.
Fuck legacy servers and fuck nostfags.
Wrath had the best questing zones.
This is doomed to fail, it worked because the other one was free, when people reach the level cap they will want more things to do and eventually Blizzard will have two versions of the same expansion running.
>>336681949
THEY TOOK OUR CONTENT
>>336665662
This most shit really died out as soon as Overwatch shilling began.
Guess we really didn't want them
>>336682023
>when people reach the level cap they will want more things to do
Are you implying Vanilla didn't have endgame? And if you meant "Once people finish the endgame what will they do?", they could just add the option to copy your character to a BC server a few months after Naxx is cleared.
>>336682323
It's true, seems like 90% of the hype just died down.
I guess a lot of people tried Kronos and realized that it's not something they actually want to play.
>>336682323
>>336682519
It's because there's nothing more to be done at the moment. People are waiting to see what comes from the Mark Kern/Nost guys having meetings with Blizzard. Everything's been discussed fairly thoroughly already, it has been nearly a month since Nost got the C&D.
>>336680029
>Community, adventure, world PvP
Vanilla
>Sense of Epicness,Challenge, Reward and overall Epeen
TBC
>Story, lore, setting, art, PvP Balance, class balance and fufillment
WOTLK
The two above expansions(witht he basegame) are the only ones worthy of being in WoW, despite the fact it was in WOTLK when things started to slide.
MoP wasnt terrible either, but it contained too much of the modern bullshit that made WoW cold and sterile.
>>336682505
Then what will happen when everyone is done with BC? Close it down?
>>336682505
Most players play wow at a slow pace and never raided, like me. Only the people who actually finish the raid content and don't like pvp will run out of stuff to do. As for quitting out of boredom, modern wow is more boring than vanilla, so there's no real argument there.
>>336682847
They could do the same for Wrath. You're talking about 4 years worth of content in the future either way, by then Blizzard will have a full picture of what the situation with Legacy servers are and they'll know if it's financially viable to continue providing the service.
>>336682847
I'd play vanilla ladder
>>336665662
>2000 players on tich is considered High
What the hell is considered low
>>336683260
The realm I played on in vanilla had 200 max level players on it at the end of MoP (80% horde). It's apparently been merged now though.
The way I see it. There are three things that need put in place to make WoW fun again:
1. The old world restored as best it can be; old dungeons, old quests. We might not be able to go back to 1.12, but we could at least get everything that was removed.
2. Removal of cross realm shenanigans. No anonymous D-bags getting grouped without needing to say a word and having no consequences for being dicks
3. Removal of XP rates so that getting to the level cap is actually a time consuming process and weeds out flaky people who aren't interested in long term play.
I see this all being done on its own brand of server running the same version of WoW, but with a few booleans toggled to false and maybe a server wide level cap. Ideally we get a Hardcore Classic with a 60 cap, a Hardcore BC with a 70 cap, and so on. No transfers (except from the previous Hardcore server), no buying levels. For shits and giggles, maybe include an option to boost to an expansion's entry point for races/classes introduced that expansion. BE/space goats get boost to 58 after completing their starting zones, Death Knights get a boost to 68, Worgen/Goblins get a boost to 78 once they clear one of the cataclysm 60 zones, pandas get an optional boost to 84, everyone gets a boost to 90 for WoD. Add Feats of Strength for clearing all the content on a Hardcore server with some spiffy tabards/mounts and encourage progression.
>>336670951
>all those people who think they want a vanilla server but they don't
>>336685319
>yfw there was people with 100 days /played on nost
>yfw they thought they wanted it that much but actually didn't want it at all
BC>Vanilla>MoP>Wotlk>Cata
Never played WoD
>>336685454
They just played vanilla to spite our bros on the official forums and proof the
>you don't want vanilla!
fact "wrong". They were really dedicated.
>>336685534
very good opinion lad
>>336681229
Fuck me I thought that was a brain
>>336665929
07 is the shit
>>336666321
>WoW has more than 5 million active subscribers
WoW announced a while back they will not be releasing sub numbers anymore. In other words you are making those numbers up because unless you work at blizz you don't have access to the real numbers
>>336668160
Problem is is that they'll ask what the community wants and after a while of it being back being the old TBC or whatever you knew it turns into a shitfest again.
>+200 relations with Brits
>Giving them £200+ war subsidies a day so that they can beat the North German Federation
>Give them military access
>Brits convince Portugal to ban all my ambassadors
really nigga?
>>336687230
Yeah the brit reputation sucks
>>336687230
wrong thread, fuck my life
>>336687150
I think OS runescape has community polls that have to reach 75% support to be implemented. That should work
>>336667994
That's 100% true though, they should be more focused on making Legion not a blunder (it looks great so far but not "this makes up for WoD" great) than making a server to placate 100,000 people.
>>336687529
Retail-cucks who don't even play on the servers will probably bomb it with retardation just because they can't accept other people wanting to play a different game.
>>336686424
Nobody has access to the XIV numbers and nobody really gives a shit. It's the second most populated MMO as far as anybody is concerned.
Could even be the most populated MMO now.
>>336687724
There's that jap who does scans of their armory, and it still doesn't compare to WoW's numbers according to wowprogress.
>>336676143
>Cataclysm quest design philosophy
lol, you mean actually good quest design instead of
>waddle over to this half of the map
>waddle back to where you were before after collecting 4 bear asses that have a 10% chance to drop
>waddle back to quest giver
>wow thanks for killing those bears uh could you go and talk to my buddy who likes bear asses
>go to this half of the map
>talk to guy
>yeah I love bear asses go get me some deer cocks
>waddle over to another half of the map
>collect deer cocks for 20 minutes
>waddle backs
>yeah thanks
>>336687663
Of course you'd have to have played on the legacy servers for some time to be able to vote on the poll
>>336681210
But Vanilla has literally the easiest content in the entire history of the game with raids amounting to nothing more than "don't stand in stink". TBC only got hard with Sunwell (fuck me Black Temple was pathetic and running it for welfares drained all mystique from that place.
>>336687724
>>336686424
would you be able to access sub numbers if you own a stock in blizzard-activision? since they have to report them to their investors according to law?
>>336688252
And yet <50 guilds completed Naxx before BC while >50 guilds completed HFC HC the week it came out :)
>>336688530
They didn't complete it because the linear progression in Vanilla was fucking retarded. You needed a full set of MC gear to move up to the next tier and most people were at 3rd Tier when TBC came out. The safety dance is the closest thing to a mechanic Vanilla had and it was pathetically simple.
>>336687949
Except Cataclysm was literally that minus actual good chain quests and class quests here and there.
Only replace "guy" with "Harrison Jones" or any other """"""hilarious"""""" character
I want classic WoW with all the races and more raids.
>>336689024
Meme characters have existed since Vanilla beta.
>>336689179
I'm sure it also had zones turned into literal memes like Hillsbrad centered around fucking plants vs. zombies and NPCs pretending to be players
>>336679770
Vanilla/BC > Wrath > Cata/Mop/WoD/Legion
>>336680832
>balance
>pvp
Wait, you care about balance in PvE? Jesus Christ you mong.
>>336689621
>centered around
You mean two quests you had to actively seek out to do and only got a fucking companion pet for your troubles?
>>336678627
fuck you
shimmering flats with the raceway was super good for questing around level 34
tons of fast kill quests that could be done at the same time for comfortable experience rewards
>>336690173
>Pretending Hillsbrad isn't a cesspool of memes
Top kek
>>336678685
>based
You must really love taking corporate dick in the ass, huh
>>336687949
Wrath handled it best. Cut down on bear cock collecting, but didn't railroad you in to having to do 1 quest hub before doing another because "muh epic zone story".
>tfw no nelf wife to form adventuring duo with, fighting local crime and injustice across the land in an azeroth that wasn't devastated by the third war
why even life bros
