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>There is a rumor floating around that NX will use cartridges because of the increased demand for ROMs over and above what already exists in Nintendo's production pipeline in a world where 3DS exists.
http://www.screencritics.co.uk/2016/...or-cartridges/
I think this makes sense, most games on the PS4 and Xbone are between 20-30GB in size and 32 GB SD cards cost nothing anymore.
How do you want your third parties fampai?
>>336610059
It's a handheld, of course they're not using discs
>>336610254
It won't really affect 3rd party games either way.
They should use both cartridges and discs.
By just using cartridges it makes me think the NX is a handheld, or Nintendo doesn't want to put an HDD on the bill of materials.
>>336610059
>There's a rumor
Stopped reading right there
>>336610059
This would support the other rumor that it's a handheld hybrid that plugs into the TV to enter a "console mode" and personally it's not a bad idea. Look what the Vita could do with carts.
>>336610483
I agree with this though. Speculation is fine but rumors should always be treated with a grain of salt.
>>336610059
>SD cards
I hope they do. The only thing stupider would be adding usb ports again.
Kernel exploit within a month.
If only. No load times, no installation, name one downside with carts.
>>336610059
>because of the increased demand for ROMs over and above what already exists in Nintendo's production pipeline in a world where 3DS exists.
Try to think about what you want to say before you let your fingers do it for you
>>336610734
significantly pricier in terms of mass-production
>>336610254
existent
But there are load times for several 3DS games.
>>336610734
Much more expensive than discs, 3rd party support would be absolutely nil if they followed through.
>>336610817
Then how come 3DS games cost less than what a PS4 game theoretically would?
>>336610254
the problem with third party games on the N64 was the tiny data size (64MB on N64 cartridges compared to 700MB CD's), something which is irrelevant now as cartridges can easily take as much data, if not more than Blu-Ray Discs
>>336610734
One downside that springs to mind is I don't think the newer ROM cartridges can work like the old SNES ones could, with sometimes having specialized additional hardware/chips. Maybe I'm wrong and another anon can correct me.
>>336610734
>No load times
for real? man, how do I into hardware? I want to learn how discs fucking work. To me, its just a piece of plastic that can magically do stuff to computers.
>>336610935
lower development costs. the price of a game doesn't reflect the price of the storage.
>>336610059
Don't care.
Hope NX bombs.
Fuck Nintendo. They've shit all over fans and themselves enough. Put 'em in a home and let them piss and shit all over themselves to death.
>>336610925
Except on the 3DS. Meanwhile the Vita uses discs, where's their support?
>>336610980
tl;dr - They scan the relevant parts into temporary storage while on the cart everything is accessible all the time. Which is why you can do things on carts which you can't do on discs.
I'd love to find some old threads and articles about the WiiU and find out how wrong everyone was.
I feel like history is going to repeat shortly.
>>336610980
I don't recall playing many GameCube games but I do recall (the ones I played at least) had little to 0 loading time. (Can't talk about Wii or Wii U, I am yet to touch that console)
>>336611221
>Gamecube
>cartridges
NX will actually be two systems, a handheld and a console, that will share the same library of games. Since the handheld dictates that the games be cartridge based, the console also has to use cartridges. Digital will also be an option with the handheld taking microSD cards and the console being upgradeable with USB HDDs (no HDD included).
The handheld is what's launching in March next year, with the console launching later in the holiday season of 2017.
I can't reveal my source but it comes from a very high up NoA employee.
>>336611221
I think that was because the smaller physical discs in the Gamecube meant less physical area for the laser to read.
>>336610059
>There is a rumor floating around that NX
If I had a dollar for every time I saw this...
>>336611086
>Meanwhile the Vita uses discs
please kill yourself.
>tl;dr - They scan the relevant parts into temporary storage while on the cart everything is accessible all the time
You just described discs, you dumb Nintendicksucker. Please never post here again.
Why is it always - ALWAYS that Nintendrones are complete tech retards, but always like to talk bullshit out of their ass as if they knew anything?
>>336610913
Not for loading data from disc though, just internal stuff
>>336611086
>Vita uses discs
Are you actually retarded?
Nintendo can do whatever they want in the mobile console market because they practically own it. Or, at least, they use to, not with smartphones out on the market.
Plus 3DS carts are much cheaper to mass produce because they are very low capacities. A WiiU disc holds 25GB and a blu-ray is around 50GB. A 3DS cart is at max 2GB, and many of them use an even smaller capacity size to save money in mass production.
Even a WiiU game nowadays gets close to 10GB, while games like Smash are closer to 20GB. If the NX is even in the same ballpark as the PS4, they are gonna need 25-50GB capacities, and the shit just isn't that cheap. It'll be the N64 all over again.
>gimmicky format
say goodbye to third parties for the 5th generation in a row
>>336611086
>Vita uses discs
Well you managed to trigger some Sonyggers with this post, but I'll let you know that it was the PSP that used discs. Vita uses cartridges.
>>336611573
>A 3DS cart is at max 2GB
Bravely default is 3,5 GB. Also it doesn't work like that. Stop talking.
>>336610059
>32 GB SD cards cost nothing anymore.
They still cost 100x more to manufacture than a dual-layer Blu-ray.
If Nintendo is going back to any form of cartridge it means the NX is a portable device.
>>336610734
can't update the code without some faggot finding out
>>336611040
Nintendo would just stop making vidya and do something else, Nintendo as a company won't go away
>>336611308
Sounds reasonably Nintendo-esque.
I believe you, anon.
Is this games?
Am I playing a game?
>>336611910
People keep saying "SD cards", but Macronix doesn't make SD cards, do they? They call their product ROM cartridges.
What's the difference between the two?
>>336610059
that sounds fine. like vita.
>>336612058
The one nice thing about everything being installed in on the HDD is not having to physically swap out games when you want to play something different.
>>336610925
why is that?
>>336612079
REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE DUMB
YOU WORSHIPPED BARNEY LIKE A CHUD
>>336610254
>people still care about third party on Nintendo
there's literally no reason for it. you buy Nintendo hardware for first party titles.
>>336612407
NOR Flash which is used in EEPROM is supposed to be slower. I'm pretty sure the Vita and 3DS currently just use flash memory that has the write functionality disabled
either way, if Nintendo is doing this it's because they're making a handheld, not because cartridges are faster.
>>336612548
you still do unless you only buy digital like a pleb
enjoy playing it after $ony and Micro$haft kill the DL servers
>>336613014
cartridges don't have to load phamallama. discs do. constantly.
>>336614030
That's what wears down the laser, right? Meanwhile my cart-players are still running even after +25 years.
>>336610734
>No load times
I'm pretty sure the DS and 3DS have proved this false.
>>336614030
is that why there are no loading screens on 3DS and Vita games? dummy
The fastest possible flash memory they would use reads at around 100MB/s. If the NX is anywhere close to the PS4 and Xbox One in terms of capabilities, it will have 8GB of RAM as well. There's no way to instantly load game data to fill up that RAM instantly if your storage medium is only capable of 100MB/s read speeds.
Protip: a mechanical hard drive can read at around 100MB/s. You're access times with load time.
>>336614745
should read you're confusing access times with load times. Just because there's no access time doesn't mean there's no load time.
Access time is the time it takes the hard drive to find the section of the drive with the data being requested. Once it does the data still has to load. Flash memory removes this seek time but it's not like there are no load times. Flash memory is still much much slower than RAM.
>>336614698
Pretty sure you're full of fucking shit. Even monster hunter which had load times between areas on the PS2, PSP, Wii and WiiU has nothing.
>>336615015
>a system with 64MB of RAM doesn't take long to populate that memory with game data
wow, amazing
>>336614745
>Protip: a mechanical hard drive can read at around 100MB/s. You're access times with load time.
Yes. It's why I posted >>336610402 The home console would still play all the handheld stuff and third parties could just print a cheap Blu-ray that installs to the HDD. So if there is no disc drive, but still physical cartridges, then the library is shared, the NX is just a handheld, or they don't want to include an HDD.
Cartridges have always been better than CDs for vidya outside of solid-state storage being limited and expensive as shit in the 90s due to it being relatively new at the time.
>>336614986
>lol we didnt mean no load times we meant no access times kek
Nice marketing, Nintendo.
>>336615220
Meanwhile Bloodborne takes 50 seconds to pointlessly reload the area you're currently in. Sony in charge of regressing technology since 1991.
>>336611086
>Vita uses discs
>3DS is great because it uses carts!
nintendrones BTFO themselves yet again
>>336615015
what the fuck are you on about? There's loads of loading in mh4u.
>>336611535
>how do discs work?
>this is how discs work
>LOL, YOU IDIOT, YOU JUST DESCRIBED HOW DISCS WORK!
What did he mean by this?
I'm eagerly awaiting the NX's bomb. I hope they go all out. Something like make it digital only, kind of like how MS tried to do. Only you know Nintendo wouldn't budge and their console would be dead on arrival. Don't fuck this up for me Nintendo.
>>336610935
>development costs aren't a thing
They can afford the slightly pricier carts when they save so much money by only having to render games at 240p.
>using CDs
>current year
Flash memory carts here we come
>>336615930
The logic here being that if the 3DS used discs, the developers would've made more money.
>>336615231
that would be interesting but I think publishers would be annoyed that they had to support the cartridges unless nintendo plans on eating that cost
>>336615468
Bloodborne's longest load time now is around 30-35 seconds. Most are in the 15-20 second range. It's also got way more RAM than a 3DS so a game like Bloodborne has to load way more data. The 3DS has 128MB of RAM, the PS4 has 8GB.
Doesn't matter what Nintendo does, they'll never defeat Sony.
>>336610059
>32gb SD's cost nothing
48gb blu rays are far cheaper
there is no reason to go back to cartridges
they're literally going backwards
>>336616075
>Bloodborne's longest load time now is around 30-35 seconds. Most are in the 15-20 second range
Jesus fucking christ, are you serious? What the hell do you do when this happens?
>>336616075
>Bloodborne's longest load time now is around 30-35 seconds.
thats fucking garbage
>most are in the 15-20 second range
thats still fucking garbage.
>it has to load way more data
not even an excuse for the garbage load times, the developers didn't optimize shit and even after their patch the load times are still fucked
>>336616416
>What the hell do you do when this happens?
They get up, go make coffee, take a shit, do laundry, come back and wait for the game to load
>>336616416
That's short as fuck, what are you on about?
>>336616173
There could be several reasons.
>The NX is a handheld, with HDMI out to the television
>They want to remove the disc drive and HDD from the system cost and physical footprint
>The library is shared between handheld and console and they don't want to go 100% digital
>Building on the shared library, they are fighting for space at retail and putting all of their games in one box, in one section, is more economical
>Packaging and logistics costs could be lessened by having one uniform pallet stack
>>336616569
Are you for real right now?
>>336616569
No it isn't. I don't care how good a game is, if I spend several MINUTES not doing ANYTHING it's shit. How do you maintain immersion?
>>336616661
Don't hate on the PS Quadruple just because it sells like hotcakes
>>336616569
>waiting 35 seconds every time you enter a new area, load the same area, reload after death, switch characters or do anything.
You're delusional
>>336616416
Have you played a current-gen console game? Quantum Break legitimately takes more than a minute to load, as does The Witcher 3.
>>336616430
>thats fucking garbage
No it's not.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-bloodborne-loading-times-improved
I've got a 1TB 7200RPM drive in my PS4 so my load times may be a little better than normal. It's still been improved drastically.
>>336616814
If I started up Kid Icarus Uprising now, picked a new game, named my character Shota, selected the first level, picked a difficulty setting and started playing, I would be shooting enemies and dodging bullets within 35 seconds. Easily.
>>336610254
>third party
Why are you even buying a Nintendo console?
>>336616814
>its improved drastically
>by that I mean at least its not over a minute
>its only like 30 seconds now
30 seconds is fucking trash, DS2 and DS2 SOTFS didn't take that fucking long EVER
Lazy ass developers and you're shilling for some of the worse load times, no other game I've played on the PS4 takes that fucking long to load a level let alone start the god damn game
>>336610382
other than Nintendo's yearly cartridge shortages lowering print runs and jacking up prices by 20% it won't effect 3rd parties.
>>336615301
Man that img made me squirm.
>>336616738
>>336616748
Literally no one complains about it, therefore it isn't a problem.
I bet you're just mad at the PS4's success. Bloodborne is the best
Souls game there is, I can't believe you would deny that.
>>336610734
Third party support is basically nonexistent.
>>336617043
>Literally no one complains about it, therefore it isn't a problem.
>everyone is happy eating literal garbage therefore its not garbage
just because you're content with dealing with shit doesn't magically make it shit
>>336617008
1990s problems
>>336617043
>no one complains
its the next biggest complaint about the game, just because it was worse before doesn't mean that whats now is good because its not
Battlefield 4 doesn't take this long, none of the other PS4 games takes this long to load
>>336616963
third party =/= exclusive
Nintendo needs a constant stream of good games. As we've seen from the Wii U- they're first party and platinum aren't good enough to keep a console afloat.
>>336617132
Pepperidge Farm's Remembers and I guarantee EA and Activision do to.
>>336617043
>Souls game there is, I can't believe you would deny that.
lol come on man
I agree that the "woah 30 seconds is unheard of" bullshit being ridiculous when you look at the entirety of the PS4 / One library, but you're baiting.
I've never played a Wii U but I imagine it's got noticeable load times too given it has no standard hard drive and uses optical media.
>ps4 players
>wow 30 second load times? so fast!
>pc players
>wow 10 second load times? so fast!
>>336610059
makes sense, you can easily mount multiple cartridges on a single machine and you get much faster loading times so games wouldn't require installation.
>>336617984
Pc gamers
>There's literally nothing wrong with the game crashing once per hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z82sULTM8bY
I love rumors.
>>336618104
What crashes you meme spewing faggot?
>>336610059
A blu ray disc costs nothing, an sd card costs something, a proprietary one even more.
/thread
>>336615468
Well, PS4 BD read speeds are around 25MB/s for continuous data, i wont wanna know how slow its for random data.
>>336610254
Actually making a decent effort and not acting surprised when their $60 port of a game everyone already played on another console or PC doesn't sell.
>>336612018
Fine by me. I'd rather their game franchises die and stay dead than to constantly be dragged through the mud the way they have been. Fuck 'em. Let them get into Pachinko machines for all I care. Somehow people would still defend them if they did, which would be fucking hilarious.
>>336610734
Price.
Thats it, there is no other downside.
>>336610059
I hope they do go solid state for their next home console, since optical and even HDDs are trash for most things nowadays.
I miss games with instant (or nearly so) level load times.
I love carts but i doubt that alot
>>336618903
Yeah SSDs are getting cheap as fuck recently.
A quality 240GB SSD is $50 this days(ADATA SP550).
>>336610963
>One downside that springs to mind is I don't think the newer ROM cartridges can work like the old SNES ones could, with sometimes having specialized additional hardware/chips
yeah, that's not really an option any more, but I think you've forgotten how much more games with SuperFX, etc. accelerator chips really cost back in the day.
>>336616416
I've played 30 hours of Bloodborne and I've literally never experienced a longer loading screen that 15 seconds. Calm your autism and learn to wait a few seconds for your toy to start back up.
>>336619191
>my anecdote is absolute therefore you're autistic
>HAY GUYS, CARTRIDGES ARE TEH BEST, NO LOAD TIMES!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiKg3LG_Uqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1FQ7zyi3eM
And just look at those download speeds if you have a New 3DS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm-URxghvSs
>>336619191
Oh look, the revisionists are here.
I've been playing Bloodborne for 40 years and I've never run into a load screen that didn't rewind time by 5 seconds.
>>336619191
>t. I didn't play at launch
>>336618706
PS4 and Xbox One don't actually play off the discs though, they install to the hard drives which should have between 80-100MB/s read speeds depending on the size and RPM.
MUH MUH THIRD PARTIES
I'm so sick of third party games. Most of it's shovel ware.
>because of piracy
No such thing, there's no difference and never has been.
>>336616173
how about form factor you retard
>handheld-based console
>32gb the size of a thumbnail
>>336620936
>80-100MB/s read speeds
70 tops on a 7200rpm drive and 64mb cache
50 tops on a 5400rpm drive and 32mb cache
>>336621145
It's alright to think like this, but not having third party is why Nintendo is where it is. If you want to see the audience that wants to buy hardware for 3D World, Captain Toad, Tropical Freeze, Nintendoland, etc., look at the Wii U.
I'm sure Nintendo ended up making money on the Wii U, but I don't own any stock in Nintendo so I don't care. They offer up incredibly unappealing consoles in a package that lacks value.
>>336621352
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2014-mobile-hdd-charts/-01-Read-Throughput-Average-h2benchw-3.16,2988.html
I have the Travelstar 7K1000 in my PS4
These threads are WiiU all over again. In fact its every nintendo console. So many people jump up to protect every decision they make saying how they'll make sony go bankrupt amd completely take over games back. Years from now people will look back in retrospect how nintendo fucked up and how it all could have been avoided.
>>336610059
discs are a thing of the past, 99.9% of videogames today require an install anyway, why the fuck bother? the smartest choice to please both phisical fags and efficiency is going cartridge
>>336611535
>You just described discs
Yeah no shit retard, that's what he asked.
>>336622963
>the smartest choice to please both phisical fags and efficiency is going cartridge
If by smartest you mean the opposite of smart. Cartridges will still have load times unless the NX only has 128MB of RAM like the 3DS. The fastest possible flash memory they could use would be in the 80-100MB/s range.
>>336616963
Because I'm not a millenial who grew up with the GC/Wii.
There was a time when Nintendo had the best versions of multiplats.
>>336619609
The 3DS is literally garbage tech. The medium isn't holding it back, its own technology is. The memory controller is probably bottlenecking the entire system, keeping it from reading at a high speed.
The New 3DS improvement probably got a better memory controller, but they'd designed the game cards for the old, shitty controller, so it could only get a marginal improvement.
>>336624027
>The fastest possible flash memory they could use would be in the 80-100MB/s range.
So 3-4 times faster than the PS4's disc drive?
>>336610059
Consider this /v/
> Nintendo creates a software platform called NintenDOS, their own version of Android or iOS
> The NeXt Wii and NeXt DS are built to run NintenDOS, as such, they are built to be close enough in power so as they can SHARE LIBRARIES
> No longer will Nintendo waste time developing Super Mario 3D Land, then throw away all their assets and then build up from scratch 3D World or do the same for Mario Kart 7 and 8, or for the Smash Bros 4 twins. All they need to do is build one game per generation and move on to something else, like new IPs.
> No longer would Nintendo have to split up development teams who only work on a few games per generation on specific hardware. I.e. Mainline Pokemon AND Fire Emblem ON THE HOME CONSOLE by default
> They've already integrated the home console and handheld from a software point, but why stop there?
> Enter Game cartridges. The 3DS game cards have max capacities of 8 GB and this was from 2011. It's super feasible for them to develop game cards with capacities of 32 GB in 2016, maybe 64 GB for the rare AAA games. These NX cards can be used on both the home console and handhelds. Nintendo can save on manufacturing and shipping costs, the home console can be designed with cheaper parts and be less prone to damage with less moving parts inside, retailers save a ton of floor space since they no longer have to split between a handheld and home console section for Nintendo and we, the customers, have much more leeway in how we want to play. Want to play Pokemon on the big screen? Put it in your NXWii. Decided it wasn't that big of a deal and prefer the portability aspect more? Take it out and put it in your NXDS. You choose your games and choose how you want to play it.
This just might be what Iwata was aiming for when he declared the NX was going to "redefine what a gaming platform is"
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130/02.html
>>336624603
The PS4 doesn't play games off the disc drive though.
And 80-100MB/s is super unrealistic given how much capacity they're going to want and the fact that they're going to want it to be cost effective. Producing games on UHS-3 class SD cards would be very very expensive. The NX is only going to use cartridges if it's a portable device, and if it does don't expect great load times, otherwise it might have installs, which would be hilarious.
>>336624656
>Nintendo creates a software platform called NintenDOS, their own version of Android or iOS
Or they could just use android instead considering most Wii U games look like they were developed on it
>>336624656
1080p pokemans on my widescreen tv??!?! Count me in
Why not use digital download instead? Why are we going back to the past? It's 2016, physical media distribution is on its way out the door.
>>336624656
And I forgot to add,
> Etrian Odyssey, MONSTER HUNTER, basically all of the handheld's usual 3rd party support, all back the home console by default.
>>336625718
>Or they could just use android instead considering most Wii U games look like they were developed on it
...This doesn't make any sense.
>>336627542
Fuck off kid.
you guys know that a lot of nintendo games can fit on a 2gb sd card
you know how fucking cheap a 2gb sd card is to fab? we're talking a fraction of a penny per unit on a bulk order here
The NX is going to be announced and generate a lot of positive emotions among gamers. I believe this strongly.
I also believe, however, that Nintendo will then release some kind of useless gadget that fucks up all hype. What that gadget will be, though, I can't imagine.
>>336617663
kek
>>336628772
>Nintendo will be able to fully support a home console on their own again, just like the Wii U
Do you guys all live in a bubble or something?
>>336618793
Y u mad did nintendo employee sodomize u before
>>336629472
The usual reply is, "Bro, the only reason to buy a Nintendo console is for first-party games." If this was enough, the Wii U would've sold more than fucking 12.8 million consoles in FOUR FUCKING YEARS.
>>336624035
Actual millennial here. Grew up with NES and SNES. In the 80s and 90s respectively.
Oh wait. It's a buzzword now aint it? Fucking autist
>>336629236
>generate a lot of positive emotions among gamers. I believe this strongly.
I don't. I think Nintendo has done a lot of damage to their brand and IP.
>>336610059
I can't believe this is Nintendo's new gimmick. Like this is gonna get me to buy the NX. Oh wow, it's out of the ordinary, because it uses a different format than most games. Wowee. That's not a video game, that's something outside of video games that relates to how the hardware operates. Why doesn't Nintendo just make good games instead of creating stupid gimmicks?
>>336629657
I know. They're deluded enough to believe Nintendo has any stopping power. Most people see how barren the Wii U is and ignore it. 3 fucking games a year is terrible. Bitch all you want about multiplats, but at least they're games. If I only had a Wii U I'd be bored for 10 months out of the year. And the occasional weekend when my friends are over and actually want to play vidya. Which is fucking rare that they do.
>>336629931
Millennials are born between early 80s and end of 90s
>>336630039
For gamers? I think I'll bitch and whine, that buy their consoles at launch. Like they always do.
Among developers, though, I agree with you. Unlike gamers, who only lose their shit, companies may not be ready to lose millions for Nintendo's latest experiment.
>>336610059
I'm all for this if it means I don't have to fucking download games on my discs any more.
>>336629657
Nowadays that is the reason because only Wii U is not enough at all. The problem is the number of people who cared about Nintendo games are dwindling. People grew up and they're not making new younger fans.
>>336630307
"Gamers" have bought like ~13 million Wii Us. After they sold like ~22 million Gamecubes and ~33 million N64s. Yeah, they sold 100 million Wiis, but a lot of them weren't to regular game buyers.
I don't think all of those lost/lapsed customers dropped out of the consumer base. They migrated to other platforms.
>>336610059
Won't this mean there won't be any backwards-compatibility for WiiU/Wii?
>>336631490
Dead on arrival.
>>336616047
not necessarily
carts make sense for portables, because theyre small and durable
>>336616962
portable game.
also, 3ds menus are slow as fuck
if you want to play a multiplat console triple A these days with passable load times, you gobba be on pc
>>336610935
>>336611023
>>336615930
>>336616047
>>336633991
smaller storage=cheaper
>>336634690
No. Smaller size game limit = tons of optimization = more expensive
>>336610059
>wait 5 hours for the game to install with a disc
>wait 250ms for the game to load with a flash drive
Nintendo wins the console war.
>>336610059
it was a terrible idea that crippled the N64
it's a terrible idea now
>>336634928
>240p
>128 fucking MEGABYTES
actually it's because of the tiny ass size and using cheaper style flash memory in a more modern industry
>>336629569
Sodomize me? No. Sodomize the franchises I used to like from them? Into the ground.
