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Holy shit, anyone else as fucking hyped as back then with Twilight Princess?
Except this time we KNOW this world will be non-linear, huge and stuffed with things. And since it's a 3D Zelda, it will have great dungeons. That's all Zelda needs.
This world will be Zelda pure, this atmosphere, fuck.
Hope you guys have already sold your shitty Wii U on Ebay and will buy the NX for it. No way I'll play this at 720p.
but we don't know shit
They'll fuck it up somehow. Just play ALBW if you want classic, mostly non-linear gameplay Zelda.
>>336581880
This
You're not allowed to be excited for things on /v/ just play the old shit.
>>336581718
We know enough, desu.
Non-linear world, it will follow ALBW but Nintendo will try to not make the same mistakes again, exploration, can just float with that Deku Leaf like item, climb everything, swim, find shit everywhere. It won't be like Zelda SS in any way which was the opposite of open.
Huge Zelda dungeons + open world with Zelda atmosphere, doesn't even matter if it will be empty (WW was empty as fuck and people love it), Zelda has dungeons to make up for emptiness.
Honestly, hype. Just hype.
>inb4 the NX is a suped up handheld and all of the WiiU detractors hang themselves as the NX port is inferior
>>336581602
two scenarios:
>nintendo has lost their fucking minds, show a shitty, broken game to the public that's been almost 2 years since it's first official release date, nintendo made a laughing stock at E3 again
>the zelda game is literally the second coming of christ, will blow every other game shown at E3 out of the water, and nintendo is forgiven
Which do you think would be more likely /v/?
>>336581602
Just hype, I don't see anything that can go wrong. It won't be perfect but it will be a worthy Zelda, at least on par with WW for sure, definitely many WRPG influences and many sidequests à la Majoras Mask, they already hinted this.
Hype this shit up.
>>336582129
*been delayed
Everything we know about Zelda U.
https://www.pinterest.com/allytogood/zelda-whats-new/
>>336582129
More likely is 2 sincei t's LE ZELDAAA, people even got hyped for the awful SS presentation back then just for this reason alone.
However, normies on /v/ and NeoGAF will shit on it a lot because graphics, it for sure won't have Witcher 3 geometry or realism, people will nag a lot. You shouldn't care, though.
There never was a Zelda since OoT that was so close to what people actually wanted from a 3D Zelda based on what we know so far.
Hype this shit up. These days games like Uncharted 3 and 4 are considered 10/10 action adventures.
Give Zelda your love again.
>>336582629
>>336582629
I'm sure Zelda will be fine, but honestly it's hard to get excited for anything Zelda related when Nintendo keeps dropping bomb after bomb of disappointing/bad news.
>>336582753
What you mean?
>>336582853
confirmed no digital event
I know that this Zelda game will be good.
I know it for a fact, there's not even the slightest shred of doubt in my mind.
Nintendo fucked up though. It has taken a ridiculous amount of time to finish and due to that, I never bought a Wii U. I know I'm not alone either in having Zelda as a title that literally sells a system to me. Now I'm gonna skip the Wii U and go for the NX for sure.
Unlike most other people though, I'm not so sad about seeing Zelda be the only focus of E3. I mean is it a mistake for Nintendo to go that route? I would definitely say yes, I'm pretty sure people like me are the minority on being fine with what we're getting (Providing it is a meaty as fuck demo).
tl;dr -
The game is going to be absolutely amazing, but the time it has taken still pisses me off. Feels like fucking forever since I've last played a 3D Zelda.
I fucking swear though, if this game is bad, I will never forgive Nintendo. They've had all the time in the world to finesse the ever living fuck out of this game so there's no excuse. This is an important as fuck game for them, especially considering all of the backlash they've (rightfully) been receiving lately.
>>336581602
2 cents have been deposited into your account, good goy :)Why won't those faggots at nintendo put their fucking games on anything other than their shitty, underpowered consoles? I grow tired of having to wait years to emulate because I don't feel like throwing away 300 bucks on a one-game machine.
>>336582853
Despite how barebones last year was, they have even LESS to show this year at E3 than ever, to the point where they arn't even doing a press conference/direct. Zelda is literally all they have to show for an entire year of work, no new game announcements are coming for either the 3DS or Wii U.
The Wii U is dead pretty much confirmed dead and has no good games coming until Zelda NEXT year, unless you somehow think Color Splash or #weebshit will be good.
Even then, the Wii U's last game is not a crossgen multiplat. That means that the Wii U will be the first Nintendo home console without it's own Zelda game, and to make it worse the Wii U version will probably be the inferior port.
And to top it all of, Nintendo has such little confidence in their new platform that they're afraid to show it off at the biggest gaming event this side of the planet (even though they promised to last year) despite it being ready for release in less than a year leading many to think that something has gone horribly wrong behind the scenes. Shaping up to maybe be the Wii U 2.0.
It's a rough time to be a Nintendo fan.
>>336581602
The most hyped I've ever been for a game was Skyward Sword and that shit sucked so bad that it turned me off of Zelda and even Nintendo in general to a certain degree.
So no, if this turns out to be good then cool, but I expect it'll be shit just like 90% of what post 2010 Nintendo churns out.
I'd like to play it the day it comes out, so I'm keeping my Wii U.
no way they can fuck this up with all the delays. sticking with my wiiu not getting burned again.
>>336582048
It's like people are too stupid to see the obvious. They wouldn't dedicate E3 to the inferior version of Zelda U.
>>336583246
As stated in OP, Zelda U will also come out for NX which most definitely will be powerful enough for a game with this art style. Amazing art design and use of colors is really the most important factor here, I'm sure Nintendo will nail it.
The only thing that could fuck it up is the shit resolution it will probably have on Wii U, same with Xeno. Ignore this version.
>>336581602
>The same pic from 2 years ago
They're not even trying anymore.
>>336583496
>Despite how barebones last year was, they have even LESS to show this year at E3 than ever, to the point where they arn't even doing a press conference/direct. Zelda is literally all they have to show for an entire year of work, no new game announcements are coming for either the 3DS or Wii U.
You don't know this and I think it's doubtful.
However, I don't see why this or the rest of your post would make you more skeptical towards this specific game. It's not the fault of the EAD people that work on Zelda that the Wii U doesn't sell well.
>>336583779
>He doesn't know NX is a handheld
>>336584067
the nx isnt a fucking handheld
3ds is doing fine
wii u is dead
which one do you realistically think is going to get replaced first?
>>336584026
I said Zelda would probably be alright, but that all of the bullshit surrounding it made it hard for me to get excited about anything Nintendo related.
>>336581602
Judging from Link's character model I don't care for the art direction of the character models. Environment looks alright. Aside from that it's hard to have any opinion. We know very little aside from a supposedly large world, but big things aren't always fun to explore and the dungeons could turn out in any possible way. I thought ALBW was the best Zelda game in a long time, but I don't have any real hype for this.
>>336584020
Except it'snot a pic
Click the link. You can control the camera. It's almost like playing the actual game, except through a computer.
Nintendo are marketing geniuses.
Let's be real here. Aonuma is not interested in making a traditional Legend of Zelda. It's going to be more of his crappy Zelda, except this time with an empty overworld and gimmicks, like bullet time. At best, it will be better than Skyward Sword, which honestly is nothing to brag about.
Also, enjoy NX being either a handheld or a piss weak home console. The thing's all but confirmed to be using ARM processor, which is shit they put in smartphones.
>>336584136
>He doesn't know NX will replace home consoles so Nintendo can only work on one.
>>336584213
What link
>>336584294
I actually would not mind that desu.
Nintendo have always won in the handheld department, so perhaps they should just stick to that shit and let Sony and Microsoft (lol) fight for home console superiority.
>>336583523
>The most hyped I've ever been for a game was Skyward Sword and that shit sucked so bad that it turned me off of Zelda and even Nintendo in general to a certain degree.
All the big flaws were predictable, though, we just didn't WANT to see them. The first trailer already showed there won't be an organic world which already was a must have for a Zelda game in 2011, it was likely the game will have some kind of Mario level select overworld, it will focus on motion controls and have ugly graphics.
Zelda U will literally be Skyrim: Zelda Edition. We know this already. And while I absolutely hate Skyrim, this is exactly what Zelda needs. Zelda has the exact elements that are needed to make up for all the flaws Skyrim has. It basically has the enzyme Bethesda games themselves are missing for this kind of open world design. It has those huge, complex dungeons that make up for the emptiness, unique characters (instead of generic ones) and short but lovely cutscenes.
>>336584224
>except this time with an empty overworld and gimmicks
So like Wind Waker again? Great. I hoped so.
Zelda can easily compensate for an empty but atmospheric open world, it has this meaty dungeon design. No other AAA game these days even tries to do such dungeons anymore. That's why they usually all suck at open world while it's exactly what Zelda needs (after a fucking two hours dungeon).
>>336584224
You take things too seriously.
Nobody cares how powerful the console running Zelda is, as long as they can play it.
>>336584213
>control the camera
It's just a shitty mp4 set to loop, slightly zoomed in so it moves with your mouse
I'm mad at the fact that it's so shitty quality. Even the promo images when you scroll down are taken from the video and are blurry.
One would think that Nintendo should be able to shit out some better quality images from their own game.
>>336581997
WW wasn't anywhere nearly as empty as people make it out to be.
I'd bet $200 that what they show will be something completely new. this always happens with Nintendo after they don't show anything of a game for years, they reannounce it and it's something reworked from the ground up.
>>336584643
>Nobody cares how powerful the console running Zelda is, as long as they can play it.
We already know it's for Wii U, and will run fine on that console. That's all we need to know.
So enemys will now have a health bar. I have mixed feelings with this
>>336584224
Everybody that isn't a jaded fuck will tell you that Skyward Sword, for all its flaws, had some genuinely great parts.
Lanayru Desert areas were all extremely good. Shame the forest and mountain areas were utter shit.
The dungeons in Skyward Sword are some of the best in Zelda period. Ancient Cistern, Sandship, and Fire Sanctuary to name a few.
The layers and layers of padding is what really killed Skyward Sword though. That opening section of the game was honestly painful. How long did it take before we even got to the first dungeon? Like 4 fuckings hours or something?
Those long intro sections are fucking garbage and SS is not the only Zelda game guilty of them (just the worst offender).
We need to go back to Link waking up, finding a sword and shield, and then GOING ON HIS FUCKING ADVENTURE. No, I don't want to run errands for the fucking villagers for 4 hours, I want to run around and explore you fucking stupid chinks.
>>336584838
>So enemys will now have a health bar.
Where are you getting this from?
>>336584397
http://e3.nintendo.com/#
I can't wait for the interesting villian and supporting cast to be dropped halfway through because "IT WAS MUH GANONDORF"
Like, why is Zelda so obsessed with rehashing that asshole? HE'S FUCKING BOOOOORING
>>336581602
>is anyone else hyped as fuck.
After SS and just the overall steady decline the franchise has been undergoing the last 10 years.... not really, no.
Cautiously optimistic, if even then.
>>336584682
But there is a 0% chance Zelda U will be as empty as WW (which the majority loves).
So, generally speaking, people are exaggerating a lot when it comes to emptiness being bad for open worlds IN GENERAL. An open world is allowed to be somewhat empty, it's OK, it's supposed to emulate freedom, scale and a believable world. It should be atmospheric. Now the trick is to compensate for the emptiness somehow. You can't just put unlimited of assets and obstacles into an open world, it would be a clusterfuck and confuse, no, annoy the player, it would end up becoming a chore, every time you enter the open world, you feel obligated to clearing some shit and you see like 20 different things to clear, it will make your head explode. Saints Row 4 is actually a good example for this.
Zelda makes up for this with its dungeons, this is what WW did, this is what OoT did, this is what Zelda U will do.
>>336584893
youtube gameplay footage cant remember exact vid
>>336584879
Ancient Cistern and Sandship were the ONLY good dungeons in Skyward Sword.
Fire Sanctuary was fucking terrible.
>>336582129
It'll either be 1 or or something in-between.
By in-between, I mean a decent looking game with an interesting gimmick, but still not up to par with most open world games out there in terms of scope, side quests and difficulty options.
>>336585071
Megaman X fan here
You're preaching to the choir
Not even the choir in fact. You're preaching to the pope
>>336584481
>All the big flaws were predictable
Such as Zelda U's empty as fuck world
>>336585001
>Video footage from E3 2014
So it's nothing
>>336585076
>after le game that looks like it's the complete opposite of this upcoming game... no
Cool.
>>336581602
>non-linear, huge and stuffed with things
>open world
>stuffed with things
You cannot have both. I am still wary.
I am however, digging Link's design.
>>336585071
He holds the triforce of power
>>336585094
I mean, I agree with your overall point. I'm just contesting the notion that WW was "empty as fuck" when it was actually one of the more bloated Zelda titles in terms of stuff you could do in its overworld.
>>336584879
This though I'd add lanayru mining facility to that list too
I'm not sure what to think as I don't own a wii u, all that comes to mind when i think Zelda and Wii is the shit tier game skyward sword was. Is there any promise that NX or another Zelda on the wii won't suck? It sounds like they're gonna push every feature they can (like 3d) as far as they can at the cost of actually gameplay quality.
>>336585202
Aonuma is the Todd Howard of Nintendo.
He's a hack, don't believe his lies until you see some actual gameplay for yourself.
And no, that off-screen VGA footage shouldn't really count. Hoping that was beta footage honestly, because it looked pretty fucking bad.
>>336585318
He doesn't need to.
Link didn't hold it in WW. Some random ass blonde kid did
>>336585171
>Fire Sanctuary was fucking terrible.
No.
>>336581997
>doesn't even matter if it will be empty (WW was empty as fuck and people love it), Zelda has dungeons to make up for emptiness.
Not at all. If they are going to make a Zelda game with a huge world, then it better be an actual detailed, interesting world, full of stuff, not just stretches of land. Nothing will make up for an empty world, because then it wouldn't be much different from all the previous games, it would just be another Zelda game that is almost the same as all the others, except this time with a large world gimmick.
>>336585471
>No.
Yes.
>>336585189
See >>336585094
If by empty you mean no puzzles and shitty obsctales everywhere, I hope it will be empty as fuck. But huge, beautiful and atmospheric. Exactly what 3D Zelda needs.
You cannot compare Zelda's overworld with Witcher 3 or something, those games don't have huge, tight, two hours dungeons to mape up for the emptiness.
People really need to understand this but it seems they are too jaded and frustrated these days. Back then WW and OoT were empty as fuck but people loved and still love them. I miss those times.
>>336585562
>Yes.
No.
>>336585424
>Aonuma is the Todd Howard of Nintendo.
Probably the most disgusting internet hipster meme there is. Aonuma gave us MM and WW. He wasn't responsible for the actually bad Zeldas, SS and the DS games.
Go back to NeoGAF.
And don't compare any Zelda to this disgusting piece of shit that Fallout 4 was, holy balls, what they've done to one of my favourite IPs.
>>336581602
While I'm probably more hyped for this game than I've been for any game ever, I'm also worried/doubting this may be a giant fuckup.
>>336585094
>But there is a 0% chance Zelda U will be as empty as WW
just like how TP was so full of stuff, yeah?
>>336585690
MM & WW are garbage.
>>336581602
>Hope you guys have already sold your shitty Wii U on Ebay and will buy the NX for it
You do realize that the wiiu version is going to be the superior one right? NX is a handheld, and thus will most likely not be more powerful than the wiiu considering nintendo's desire to sell hardware at a profit.
>>336581602
>I'm not totally a payed shill
>>336585731
Even in those one Zelda U screenshot you can see more stuff than in all WW.
>>336584879
>We need to go back to Link waking up, finding a sword and shield, and then GOING ON HIS FUCKING ADVENTURE.
Nah. I'm not an impatient child who doesn't want to deal with the story. I like the stories in these games. I'm having an adventure, not playing Pacman.
Just fuck off.
>>336585071
>no neat twist where this Ganon is the very first Ganon starts off as Link's childhood/friend/mentor/father figure and slowly becomes evil thanks to Demise's curse
Feels bad man.
I couldn't be angrier with Nintendo. This is insane.
>>336585164
You can't remember because it doesn't exist you fucking moron.
>>336585690
>Aonuma gave us MM and WW.
>He wasn't responsible for the actually bad Zeldas
Pick one you meme loving fuck.
>>336585690
>Aonuma gave us MM
Nah, that was mostly Koizumi
>and WW
This on the other hand I agree with, but it marked the slow decline of the franchsie.
But even then, WW was pretty bad from a gameplay perspective, its atmosphere, aesthetics, charm and art style saved it though.
>>336585582
I agree with you saying that the overworld should have an open structure with no puzzles or obstacles. That shit was ridiculously overdone in titles like LA, which itself is hilariously and frequently overrated as a Zelda game on this board.
I disagree that the overworld SHOULD be empty though. Games like Witcher 3 at least contained plenty of things to do and find when you weren't progressing through the main story, and Zelda U should be the same in that regard.
>>336585770
>NX handheld
Is this the new maymay
>>336585546
Well yeah, but it doesn't particularly need level design depth, puzzles, obstacles, anything like that. This belongs into dungeons. SS didn't really understand this and filled the entire world with this shit, perfectl showcasing a "filled" overworld is not really what Zelda needs. A good looking one, varied one and atmospheric one it is. And specifically an unpredictable one. Just let some crazy storm or huge enemies approach (WW did this).
>>336586030
>That shit was ridiculously overdone in titles like LA, which itself is hilariously and frequently overrated as a Zelda game on this board.
Well, how about that. That's enough /v/ for a lifetime.
I'm done with this place.
>>336585441
but that was link
Anyone got pics of new link's design? On the phone and can't watch .webm or video.
>>336585996
>Nah, that was mostly Koizumi
He worked on the sidequests in Clock Town and came up with the gimmicks. That's literally the extent of Koizumi's involvement in MM.
Koizumi was also heavily involved in WW.
Here's how it'll go down
>World will be empty, with a few randomly generated mobs and horses
>Lots of tiny caves and shit to explore 90% only have rupees to find
>Link will have a companion that keeps its much shut, as a response to Fi hate
>dugeons will be generic Grass/Fire/Water/Desert/Castle/Tomb/the mandatory one creative one
>Supporting cast will be awesome
>Villian and unique story will be dumped at the climax for generic Ganondorf shit
>>336585996
>Nah, that was mostly Koizumi
I don't know which meme is more cancerous. The Aonuma is bad and killing Zelda meme or the le Koizumi did this! meme. Kioizumi didn't do shit, he wrote most of the story for MM and partially OoT and that's almost all he has done.
Nintendo needs to die
>I want a huge empty overworld
You cannot make this shit up. This is actually what neo-/v/ wants.
>>336586223
>Koizumi leaves the Zelda team
>Zelda franchise goes horribly downhill
Gee, what a coincidence.
>>336582195
Did you really make a 2 second webm that doesn't even loop right? What is the god damn point.
>>336585876
Anon dont you trust me?
>this entire thread
>this denial
>nintendrones are desperately trying to hold on to their dwindling majority on this board
>the age of nintendogaf is slowly but surely coming to an end
Zelda U/NX is literally the last thing nintendo has up their sleeve. If this game isn't literally the best Zelda game ever then ninty is finished. They've either ignored or butchered all of their other IP's except maybe mario kart (even that lacked a proper battle mode).
I refuse to support nintendo if this game is anything but spectacular.
>Nintendo
>2016
>>336586293
But they're better than Sony "here have another disgusting cover shooter with controller aim" Studios and MS?
>>336585841
>I like the stories in these games.
Do you like the part every game where the plot is flushed away in favour of "it was ganondorf"
>>336586084
>maymay
because nintendo never made a handheld before right?
>>336586205
What kind of low tech piece of shit do you have that can't run fucking webms?
>>336586348
Webms look better than stills and better catch the feeling of floating through the sky.
>everything must loop so I can stare at it for two minutes because I'm an autist
>>336586128
>Well yeah, but it doesn't particularly need level design depth, puzzles, obstacles, anything like that. This belongs into dungeons.
I completely and absolutely disagree. Playing OoT as a kid I didn't distinguished dungeons from the world until the temple parts because the first three dungeons are regular places. This gave me a sensation that every part of the game was equally important in terms of the adventure, instead of being a hub with stuff to do before opening dungeons.
I think, if anything, Skyward Sword did the part of being interesting outside of dungeons. I want this in the new game. To be an interesting place to explore, regardless of dungeons.
>>336586386
>B-BUT SONY
>>336586169
"Link" was a random ass seat filler because the real Link was dead. Hence why the triforce ignored him
>>336586330
>what a coincidence
Exactly. You're just making connections that aren't there.
It's all subjective anyway. I would argue that the Zelda franchise didn't truly reach its lowest point until Skyward Sword, which wasn't even directed by Aonuma.
>>336586030
what's LA?
>>336581602
>open world meme
Its going to be trash.
>>336584213
>literally the same video loop we saw in 2013
>marketing geniuses
TIP TOP KEK
>>336585857
>father figure
notseme
>>336586594
Los Angeles
>>336586510
Well, being on /v/ shitposting about Nintendo there is a big chance he either likes Sony or MS which you with your shitpost also kinda prove.
>>336586486
It just looks bad man, you can't really capture the feeling of floating through the sky when you only have 2 seconds before it awkwardly resets.
>>336585841
>This is the type of moron who is ruining Zelda for everybody.
>"N-n-no I actually enjoy the 4 hour slogfest of being a glorified rent boy running around doing errands for NPC's that I literally couldn't give a shit about"
Embarrassing tbqh.
>>336586654
I don't like either of those money whores either. Nintendo is just the most aged cancer
>>336586532
nah bro it was link
>>336586689
Yes I do enjoy it. I like to play videogames that are more complex than NES stuff.
What are you gonna fo about it, fag?
>This is the type of moron who is ruining Zelda for everybody.
I'm sorry I don't have ADD
>>336581602
It won't be as great as it could've been because they'll have to gimp the game to have it run on Wii U.
It would've been better for everyone if they just released this one on Wii U and gave NX it's own Zelda game.
>>336586628
Nintendo is way too chickenshit to do that.
At most it'll be open-ended homosexual subtext if they ever decided to anything like that. Then again, Ghirahim was already pushing pretty far and Nintendo's all about appealing to otaku and fujoshi now, so who knows.
>>336581602
I have been hyped for one Zelda game, WW. Even OoT didn't do it for me. And I'm not getting my hopes up now either. Every one of them since OoT has been more handholding and less innovative. At this point Zelda has to prove to me it can change. I won't just trust it.
>>336585952
MM was the single best 3d zelda. ALTTP was the best 2d one.
>>336586892
vague man love is best man love
>>336586989
MM didn't have enough dungeons, I agree about ALTTP though
>>336585582
Zelda games aren't just about dungeons (or at least they shouldn't, specially this next one). A world that is actually interesting, detailed, full of stuff to see and to do, secrets to find and maybe even some towns is just as important as the dungeons, if not much more than them, because they contribute more to the feeling of adventure. With the very first Zelda game, it was mostly the open map that impressed people the most, giving them a sense of vastness, detail and mystery. With this new Zelda, it seems they are trying to give people nowadays the same impression the first Zelda gave, making use of modern technology.
>>36586128
> it doesn't particularly need level design depth, puzzles, obstacles, anything like that. This belongs into dungeons.
I agree with you on that. I just want an amazing, detailed world, like the ones other fantasy games have, not one filled with obstacles, because that would actually make it more limited. But if it's empty and boring, nothing will make up for it, it will be a massive disappointment.
>>336584136
You're assuming that Nintendo is competent
I'm very excited to learn more about this game, but I'm afraid we'll learn too much more at E3. I want to play the damn game unspoiled but I know those Treehouse fucks are going to slowly, painfully make every aspect apparent in the most boring way possible.
>>336586863
>I like to play videogames that are more complex than NES stuff.
>Filler
>Complex
Oh I am laughin'
>What are you gonna fo about it, fag?
Ridicule you and post smug looking anime girls until you submit and admit that I'm right (which I am).
>I'm sorry I don't have ADD
Neither do I. I just happen to not enjoy literal shit that does nothing but pad the game out in the worst possible way.
>>336586502
What? Ocarina of Time's field/Lake Hylia is completely empty. Wind Waker was compeltely empty, too. Those games have what I consider "pre-dungeons", those areas where the level design gets denser and more complex without being in the actual dungeon. Of course Zelda U should also have this instead of just putting the dungeon entry somewhere in the middle of nowhere. This would be crap and isn't wat I want. I believe WW did this with like two dungeons but usually also had those "pre-dungeons" like OoT, not always dungeons per se but narrow, dense areas, be it complex villages (gorons, Kakariko) or those falls and tortuous cliffs in front of the zora's domain. In WW you had the islands with friendly NPCs and quests before getting to the actual dungeon.
Of course I also want this from Zelda U. But it's a matter of fact the world will be a lot bigger than Ocarina of Time's, more like Wind Waker's but probably even bigger, and the main part of Wind Waker's open world was empty, atmospheric, beautiful, unpredictable (the first playthrough) and interesting but rather empty. This is OK and what I want. I don't want the entire world to play like that area in front of the Zora's domain. We basically had this with Zelda SS and it was shit.
I don't want Zelda to be Metroid Prime. No.
I hate Skyrim but Zelda factually NEEDS some Skyrim.
>>336586989
MM isn't even top 3.
OoT remains the best 3D Zelda (More dungeons, better designed dungeons, better OST, better world).
Thank fuck you kind of redeemed your shitty opinion by admitting that ALTTP is the best 2D Zelda.
>>336586838
So you didn't play the game
>>336586353
>implying that there has been a bad 3-D Zelda game
>OoT, MM, TP, and SS were all great until you ran into a TP or SS hate thread
>Minors are now trying to shit on OoT
Thinking fans of the series will take any shitposting seriously, if the game is bad then even the fans will tell you. Look at sticker star for example. Or the reaction to FedForce or Color Splash
>>336586316
It's the TP plains all over again.
In fact it might just be TP all over again.
>>336587282
>Filler
No such thing. It's a game about walking and exploring at your own pace. That's what I enjoy. If I wanted to mindlessly play a videogame without appreciating it I would be playing tetris.
>Neither do I. I just happen to not enjoy literal shit
>literal shit
>literal
Ah, yes. This is the kind of intelligence I was expecting from someone like you: None. But then again I'm replying to you.
>>336586353
I don't give a shit what Nintendo has up their sleevs, you braindead, underage console warrior. I'm just looking forward to an amazing Zelda game.
Holy shit. Fuck off back to NeoGAF.
>>336587778
>braindead
>I'm just looking forward to an amazing Zelda game.
Maybe you should watch who you call brain dead baby boi
>>336586316
After SS it's definitely what I want yes. Don't compare Zelda to your shitty WRPGs. Zelda has huge dungeons, it can deal with some emptiness just fine. The open world should be atmospheric and beautiful, though with some unpredictable stuff (weather, monsters, weird nature).
Every now and then people pretend Shadow of the Colossus is the best game ever and its open world is literally 100% empty.
Give me a rather "empty" but atmospheric open world and huge towns, villages and dungeons.
>>336587507
man did you?
>>336587934
But Zelda as a whole is better than everything you enjoy playing and there is a very good chance I'm at least five years older than you?
>>336587435
I'll give you more dungeons, I didn't really think they were any better designed. The OST thing is really fucking subjective and I'm not sure where I would fall. I definitely disagree with the world thing though. MM was the first game I played that felt like it had a living world, npcs had routines, they had lives outside of standing somewhere waiting for you to talk to them. Doing all the sidequest stuff was more engaging to me than running through another dungeon.
>>336587948
>Every now and then people pretend Shadow of the Colossus is the best game ever and its open world is literally 100% empty.
You are right, people pretend it is. In reality SotC is an dull unfinished game with good boss battles. I literally fell asleep playing it on one ocassion.
>>336588051
>a very good chance I'm at least five years older than you?
Says the nintenyearold
>>336586316
I do want a huge and open overworld, just not necessarily an empty one, shitposter-kun.
>>336587697
>No such thing.
There is though. I've just told you exactly what filler is.
>It's a game about walking and exploring at your own pace.
Yes it is, which is why 4 hour long intros consisting of you being confined to the starting town until you've ran errands for the village idiots has no place in Zelda.
It's also no coincidence why the last 3 Zelda games that did that have been received so poorly.
>Ah, yes. This is the kind of intelligence I was expecting from someone like you: None. But then again I'm replying to you.
>Get well and truly outbantered
>Try to pull the mature pseudo-intellectual card
Pottery
>>336588126
I must admit, this was a good one lol :D
>>336581602
People thought the same thing about Skyward Sword.
Know what happened? You wound up with a couple floating islands and nothing to see or do between them.
AWWW FUCK YEAH I CANT WAIT
ONE GAME TO SEE AT E3 AND WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT
NINTENDO WINS AGAIN
>>336583659
Oh, but they will. They couldn't show off NX gameplay without having to show off the NX Console and Controller.
>>336587934
Not him
But since when was looking forward to anything without letting others affect your opinion meant brain dead
>oh this game looks fun
>go on /v/
>wait, everyone except for fans are shitting on it
>oh this game is shit actually
This is brain dead
It's like hating on the new star wars for having a female and a black lead
>>336587174
>but I know those Treehouse fucks are going to slowly, painfully make every aspect apparent in the most boring way possible
That's what I'm fearing too.
I really, truly, honestly have no idea why Nintendrones used to hype up Treehouse's presentations so much. All of them fucking sucked.
>>336587948
>Skyward sword being shit means Nintendo has to revert to vast empty worlds.
No. That is not how it works at all.
The Overworld doesn't have to be as complex and as puzzling as Skyward Sword, but even that would be more ideal than an empty literal waste of space.
>>336588153
It's a pretty exhausting argument when everyone in this thread defines "empty" differently.
Some people think empty means "Witcher 3 tier, no puzzles, platforming and obstacles à la SS or Metroid everywhere", other probably think empty means "literally nothing, just a green field."
I basically just want pic related for the open world, just make it beautiful, varied, atmospheric. Don't blow it upw ith shit that belongs into dungeons. See
>>336587423
>>336585094
>>336588382
This has the potential to lower OoT down a peg on the totem pole
Regardless if tree house fucks up I'm still waiting for the inevitable shitposting
>>336588165
>There is though. I've just told you exactly what filler is.
No, you didn't. You shat your pants and cried because you have no attention span.
>It's also no coincidence why the last 3 Zelda games that did that have been received so poorly.
You mean Majora's Mask, WW, TP and SS?
You realize that most of them become beloved by time because everyone is still attached to the last Zelda and refuse to accept changes, right?
>outbantered
>by saying "literally shit"
Sure thing babe.
>>336588463
>>336588339
I love Zelda but they've shown next to nothing for this game and it's been delayed for almost 2 years now. Given Nintendo's current trend of shitting the bed I'm not hoping to he excited until I've at least played a demo.
>>336588601
>he fell for the bad 3d Zelda meme
>>336587948
>Don't compare Zelda to your shitty WRPGs
Even garbage like Skyrim still has far, far more interesting worlds than any Zelda game so far, even if they don't have interesting dungeons. This next Zelda should, in fact, be comparable to those WRPGs in terms of world, while having amazing dungeons at the same time, which will actually make it better than any open-world WRPG.
Again, dungeons are not the most important thing in Zelda, specially in this next one.
>>336588653
going to be*
>>336588463
>It's a pretty exhausting argument when everyone in this thread defines "empty" differently.
It's not that subjective, honestly. If an open world actually has shit to DO in it, it objectively isn't empty.
The problem is that there are too many shitposters on this board who will literally claim that every single open world game is "empty", as if an open world Zelda should be exactly like SS or pic related where the entire map is cluttered with stupid shit.
>>336588642
This would be literally empty but it's what most fans want from a Zelda.
Make the overworld atmospheric, beautiful and put interesting characters and monsters into it. Make the dungeons dense with good level design. This is how it should be.
And this is most definitely what Zelda U will be.
>>336588714
>Even garbage like Skyrim still has far, far more interesting worlds than any Zelda game so far
lol
I would even prefer the basically empty WW with its few handcrafted islands over the fucking generic Skyrim shit which has nothing to compensate for the emptiness except dungeons that are just as generic (le fish, snake, bird).
No, fuck you.
>>336588710
>>he fell for the bad 3d Zelda meme
Are you implying 3d Zelda is bad or you believe I think 3d Zelda is bad?
Language skills, for fuck's sake.
>tfw all these garbage opinions of what Zelda should be every single thread in this place
>>336588826
Honestly, after just crawling through a two hours dungeon, getting my horse and riding as fast as possible through some open areas with nothing stopping me just checking out some corners I haven't seen before is exactly what I want from this world.
Fans have no idea what they want themselves, just fuck them. Let EAD do their job, they know their shit.
>>336588835
>Make the overworld atmospheric, beautiful
>And this is most definitely what Zelda U will be.
Then they already failed because the art direction is this game looks like dog shit. Not nearly as bad as SS, but nothing like WW, that's for sure.
From what we've seen of the world, it looks so bland and ugly besides the grass. No amazing scenery that makes me want to travel or explore.
>>336589168
Well, some people just cannot win.
>>336588937
>he fell for the "any 3d Zelda that isn't OoT or MM is bad" meme
Fixed it, and I was saying that in regards to >>336588165
>>336588601
>No, you didn't.
Yes I did.
>You shat your pants and cried because you have no attention span.
But I've beat every Zelda game though, so where are you getting this lack of attention span thing? Nobody enjoys those intros besides you my autistic friend. As retarded as /v/ can be, I can trust the vast majority of people on the board to not enjoy chasing after goats and retrieving baby cots and fishing to get a cat some food, all of which are irrelevant busywork that serves no purpose other than to literally pad out the game.
>You mean Majora's Mask, WW, TP and SS?
That's 4. Majora's Mask didn't have a long intro section. You're allowed to leave Clocktown within the first 10 minutes.
>You realize that most of them become beloved by time because everyone is still attached to the last Zelda and refuse to accept changes, right?
No they don't. MM and WW have a following, but TP and SS receive more flak than not.
>>336589168
Sorry this isn't a hyper realistic game
>>336588642
This picture is literally Zelda U.
If someone isn't hyped, he isn't a Zelda fan. Period.
>>336589040
Agreed.
Zelda U should have vast, expansive fields that aren't cluttered like SS, but at the same time it needs some actual content too, like interesting locales to explore or treasures to find. WW had this and that's why I fucking loved that game.
>>336581602
After the blunder the Wii U was and Zelda being announced for NX, there is no hype for me. I really do not give a shit about it. The funny part is this being the only game they have playable at E3 tells me they have jack shit. They'll show off some more shovelware titles, blame fans for wanting actual titles in a series instead of a halfassed co op Bullet Ball tier shooter.
Seriously fuck Nintendo.
>>336589397
I'm not asking for something hyper-realistic, I'm asking for something visually appealing and consistent.
>>336588463
>Some people think empty means [...] "literally nothing, just a green field."
Well, that's what I think empty means. And I don't want the next Zelda to be like that.
>I basically just want pic related for the open world, just make it beautiful, varied, atmospheric.
It would be amazing if it were like that, but adding some things to discover to that would be the ideal to me.
>>336588835
Like I said, Skyrim is garbage, but, at VERY LEAST, it has a large, open world. Zelda games only barely count as open world games. That's why I'm looking forward the next Zelda, because it will have a proper large world, like Zelda games are supposed to have, but I don't want it to be empty.
>>336581602
Why the fuck are you hyped anon?
Nintendo has nothing for E3 other than Zelda.
This is the worst E3 Nintendo is going to have.
>>336589504
>but at the same time it needs some actual content too, like interesting locales to explore or treasures to find.
Well, of course it will have this. We've already seen you can climb up top all the tops of the mountains and they actually seem to be handcrafted with shit on them everywhere.
Witcher 3 for example is completely generic at times, no one cares, and it does not have Zelda's huge dungeons.
What is the worst case scenario for this presentation? Bland game? Technical difficulties? Treehouse spoils 70% of the game?
>>336584067
The nx is a vr headset
>>336589502
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNG
>>336589372
>As retarded as /v/ can be, I can trust the vast majority of people on the board to not enjoy chasing after goats and retrieving baby cots and fishing to get a cat some food, all of which are irrelevant busywork that serves no purpose other than to literally pad out the game.
Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess will probably be the last time they pull that crap. Nintendo needs this Zelda game to work and there has been way too much backlash for them to keep running with something people obviously want nothing to do with.
I predict a WW tier start. Real quick with just enough story to matter.
>>336589587
>Why the fuck are you hyped anon?
>Nintendo has nothing for E3 other than Zelda.
So they're just focusing on Zelda and won't our time with gimmicky shit and Miix and Miiy?
Sounds like a good reason to be hyped.
>>336589779
>WW
>good start
Nah that stealth section in the beginning of the game was awful.
>>336589372
>No they don't. MM and WW have a following, but TP and SS receive more flak than not.
>forgetting you had to go through an entire dungeon and a fetch quest in order to leave the first village in OoT
So do you only go on /v/ to find out any info on games? That's the only reason you would think that. Or are you mad you can't put them nostalgia goggles on anymore
>>336589707
All that and then they push it further to summer of 2017
>>336589372
>Yes I did.
Nu-uh
>Nobody enjoys those intros besides you my autistic friend.
Well, that explains how games with longer intros than any Zelda are so popular. Amirite
>As retarded as /v/ can be, I can trust the vast majority of people on the board to not enjoy chasing after goats and retrieving baby cots and fishing to get a cat some food, all of which are irrelevant busywork that serves no purpose other than to literally pad out the game.
Except teaching you various mechanics while pushing the story foward, which such quiet moments serves to contrast with the grand adventure that is coming, giving them more impact.
>That's 4. Majora's Mask didn't have a long intro section. You're allowed to leave Clocktown within the first 10 minutes.
Of course not. Between the cinematics, intro, and waiting (at least in the original version, since the 3DS made it faster) it's at least 20 minutes. Same with the rest of the games that followed.
>No they don't. MM and WW have a following,
A recent following. They were hated and bashed for the stupidest reasons TP and SS are now. And even then TP is NOW getting a following because people realized nostalgiafags were being stupid cunts. For that matter WW is legit the worst 3D Zelda so far and it's so beloved it makes me laugh.
>>336589707
Expect technical difficulties and Threehouse's representatives being completely and utterly boring, as usual.
>>336581602
>falling for the open world meme in current year
>>336589739
Fuck off SS Link, this is my role.
>>336589587
Hey we might get splatoon 3.0 announcement
>>336581602
one game
>>336589684
>Witcher 3 for example is completely generic at times
Well, that's where I disagree. I thought Witcher 3 had plenty of interesting things to explore in its maps.
>>336589707
Why would you watch Treehouse? Just watch the presentation, trailer and then nothing until the game is out.
I really don't want you faggots to shitpost this Zelda too just because you were 90% spoiled and couldn't get surprised anything.
DON'T SPOIL YOURSELVES YOU FUCKING IMBECILES:
HAVE SOME DISCIPLINE.
>>336581602
>they're still using that picture
it's gonna be shit
>>336588209
I liked Skyward Sword.
>>336589779
>I predict a WW tier start. Real quick with just enough story to matter.
>island stuff
>forest part
>forsaken fortress and you don't have a sword
>after that you have to buy a sail
>around 3 hours for the game to let you explore
>>336590085
You can't disagree with facts. Mountaintops in Witcher 3 are completely generic shit and basically only exist (i..e don't have invisible walls preventing you from climbing them) because of that shitty achievements. Meanwhile we've already seen mountaintops in Zelda U being handcrafted with hidden items on them etc.
Not saying all Witcher 3 was generic or I didn't love it.
>>336585202
>please kill me
Why is this bad?
>>336590127
>I really don't want you faggots to shitpost this Zelda too just because you were 90% spoiled and couldn't get surprised anything.
God, this so much.
Imagine how much people would love TP if they would have played the game without knowing about the temple of time, the master sword scene getting spoiled, let alone the wolf transformation, Midna's true form in the artwork etc.
>>336589779
>I predict a WW tier start
Fuck no. Wind Waker is my favorite Zelda so far and even I thought the beginning was shit.
>>336590290
>Meanwhile we've already seen mountaintops in Zelda U being handcrafted with hidden items on them etc
You gonna source that bullshit or just expect me to believe it
>>336590370
because skyward sword, anon!
you need to keep this hot meme alive!
like how /v/ repeated for years Twilight Princess was one of the worst games not in the franchise but in the world.
>>336590370
>he defends the Skyward Sword overworlds
God, please make Zelda U's world as empty as possible to not repeat this shit in any way.
>>336590460
https://youtu.be/kXnTYsHOd5E
It was stated back in 2014...
How many of you are going to buy it twice! for NX and WiiU? Man Nintendo sure is smart, a double release really helped twilight princess. I mean we all loved that game for more than fap bait surely.
>>336590503
>oh man, I don't want interesting challenges and predungeons
>let me bore myself with MGSV in the meantime in hopes zelda is as bad
>>336590503
What's the issue? Don't even answer, just kill yourself. Have somebody post a pic of your corpse.
>>336581602
>buying nx at launch
>when we don't know anything about it
>after the horrible wii u launch
Boy you're dumb.
>>336590503
This wasn't an overworld, it was a dungeon.
>>336590460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0y4hv62YEw
Well, they start on a mountaintop and it seems to be handcrafted. You can also see how the mountains in the backgrounds are structured so you can climb them with items and shit.
Also a waterfall in the red circle, you can bet both your penises there is something on the mountain with that waterfall. Not saying every mountain will have something (there seem to be countless) but surely many of them.
>>336589779
>Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess will probably be the last time they pull that crap.
You never know with neo-nintendo. I have my doubts that they'll stop that shit, but we can always hope. I don't want no WW start though, give me an OoT/ALBW/ALTTP start.
>>336589923
>forgetting you had to go through an entire dungeon and a fetch quest in order to leave the first village in OoT
>Comparing a full fledged dungeon to running errands for a bunch of villagers
Holy shit, my fucking sides.
>>336589946
>Nu-uh
Yuhuh
>Well, that explains how games with longer intros than any Zelda are so popular. Amirite
Those games you speak of more than likely have quality intros that don't involve you having to do painstakingly boring busywork for 4 hours.
>Except teaching you various mechanics while pushing the story foward, which such quiet moments serves to contrast with the grand adventure that is coming, giving them more impact.
OoT pulled that off better than any of the big offender Zelda games which have terrible intros though.
It teaches you about Z targetting, climbing, jumping, rolling, swimming, camera controls all within the starting area, then immediately throws you into a dungeon in sub 10 minutes.
You cannot get any more perfect than that. It is a prime example on how to make a tutorial without padding the fuck out of the game with irrelevant shit.
>Of course not. Between the cinematics, intro, and waiting (at least in the original version, since the 3DS made it faster) it's at least 20 minutes.
I'm so sorry that you play games at a snails pace anon, but no, it takes 10-15 minutes to leave Clocktown, and besides, even if it did take an extra 5 minutes, that is nothing compared to TP and SS which literally do take upwards of an hour before you can even go to your first dungeon.
>For that matter WW is legit the worst 3D Zelda so far and it's so beloved it makes me laugh.
This is the only thing you've said that I can actually agree with.
>>336590503
>He fell for the "SS is bad" meme
>>336590839
Not even the guy you're replying to, but there was absolutely nothing interesting about SS's predungeons. That shit was literally just cluttered busywork.
Jesus Christ SSabortions pls go.
>>336582129
They will show an okay game that isn't a shitty, broken mess, but isn't worldshattering whatsoever.
>>336590724
Stated not shown you fucking lier
>>336590982
You keep repeating this 4 hours thing for some reason when I'm sure it doesn't take a single hour.
Maybe it's YOUR problem and not the game.
>I'm so sorry that you play games at a snails pace anon
Says the person who takes so long to play SS.
>>336581602
At least try not to look like a fucking shill next time.
Have this (you) as a payment for your effort and having the stomach to enter this black hole of cancer since Nintendo probably pays you peanuts.
>>336590978
Speculation and blurry photos are not facts
>>336586241
>Lots of tiny caves and shit to explore 90% only have rupees to find
I think the jist of it is right but they'll try to implement a "find materials for upgrades" feature like they did in link between worlds.
>>336591050
I disagree, it's superinteresting.
>>336591050
I liked it better than TP/WW.
>>336590839
>>336590873
Are you really defending those shitty obsctales in that picture? Quicksand that slows you down, this slow bug item that wants you to slowly transport bombs, slowly kill these piss easy enemies everytime you want to cross quicksand?
Zelda SS is the perfect example why Zelda U should be more empty, at least the big part of its open world. Shit like this belongs into dungeons. And dungeons should be big and have several floors unlike Skyward Sword's.
As a Zelda fan I don't like shitting on other Zelda games to get a point across and SS did some cool things but c'mon.
>>336591435
who fucking cares?
>>336591435
Fuck you, side quests and collecting random shit in the overworld is fucking 10/10
wind waker is the best zelda
>>336591435
>Are you really defending those shitty obsctales in that picture?
Yes, maybe you should have been smart.
>>336591265
>Says the person who takes so long to play SS.
He's right though, Skyward Sword takes hours before you get to the first dungeon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1JpvlOKt2E&list=PLA1C9D80F2D80EC84&index=9
That's 3 hours in before he reached the first dungeon, though it can probably be done in 2 hours.
>>336590978
>are you sure this will release next year
>of course, and how's star fox?
>What? Star fox?? don't worry about star fox!!!
>>336591257
>making me pull out 2008 memes
2/10
>>336591660
Who denies this or says something bad about WW?
>>336591435
Fucking this.
Everything about Squidward Sword's overworld sucked. The Sky was shit because it had absolutely nothing in it, and the surface areas were equally bad because they were extremely rigid and filled to the brim with boring tasks and terrible map structures. Navigation was a chore and exploration was non-existent.
I hope we never have to suffer through a game like this again, and I'm glad Aonuma understands that.
>3D Zelda games
absolutelydisgusting.jpg
>>336581602
>Holy shit, anyone else as fucking hyped as back then with Twilight Princess?
No. I was a fool to get rused by Shitendo with TP.
>Except this time we KNOW this world will be non-linear
No you don't.
>huge
You don't know.
>and stuffed with things
You don't know.
>and since it's a 3D Zelda, it will have great dungeons. That's all Zelda needs.
TP and SS dungeons were shit.
>This world will be Zelda pure, this atmosphere, fuck.
Literally, all we have been shown is green hills. You know NOTHING about the atmosphere.
>Hope you guys have already sold your shitty Wii U on Ebay and will buy the NX for it. No way I'll play this at 720p.
No educated adult would buy a Wii U, let alone an NX.
Can we all agree that this guy >>336591435 is the biggest fucking moron in this entire thread?
>Literally wants a huge world in which you do nothing but travel from one area to the other
>Uses >M-muh atmosphere as an argument for having an empty world, implying that you can't have a world filled with interesting things that is also atmospheric
>Samefags constantly in the most obvious fashion ever, as seen here >>336591913
Absolutely pathetic tbqh.
>>336591925
>posting this disgusting monster
>literally "i-it's impossible to avoid getting hit buy spike sliders and bats, omg I have to wait for openings in a close combat-centric PvE game"
>thinks his opinion matters
It doesn't.
>>336591925
Well if they fix all those shitty problems they had in the previous 3d games it should be as good as a 2d top down
>>336592056
Eh, I would argue we actually do know most of this and it's absolutely possible for people to already sense some atmosphere based on the material we already have. I get some Monoke vibes myself.
>>336592056
>No educated adult would buy a Wii U, let alone an NX.
Why are you on /v/ if good games aren't worth 200 bucks for you?
>>336592067
>s-someone is agreeing with somebody else, m-must be a samefag!
>waifuposting
kek
kys pleb
>>336591265
4 hours may have been a slight exaggeration, but TP and SS literally take at least a few hours before you get to the first dungeon.
Everything before that point is dull and boring as fuck.
>>336581602
>hyped
>like with twilight princess
I want the underage to leave.
>>336592067
You should really consider killing yourself. Or go play some more SS, probably the bigger punishment.
>>336592056
here's your (You)
>>336581602
>Except this time we KNOW this world will be non-linear, huge and stuffed with things.
hehe
>>336592272
>Wii U
>good games
HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHA
>>336592362
TP was hyped like the second fucking coming. Why the hell do you think getting an 8.8 was a big deal?
>>336592056
>TP and SS dungeons were shit
i was with you till this point tbqh
>>336592362
What are you even trying to argue? Everyone was hyped back then it was an amazing time, whether or not the game was kinda disappointing.
>>336592056
>TP had shit dungeons
I thought they were pretty good.
I wouldn't know for SS because I dropped it after the first dungeon out of boredom.
I have enjoyed every single 3D Zelda despite their faults, fite me.
>>336581602
>2015
>2016
>2017
Fuck you, Nintendo. And fuck you, too, Miyamoto.
>>336592272
I bought a 3ds just for monster hunter and a ps4 for their exclusives and games where I want to option to not play with the pc community.
There's honestly nothing on the wii u I find appealing. Bayo 2 looks good but other than that nadda.
>>336592643
So you are a normal, average human being?
>>336592687
Who cares, now we don't have to play it on this shitty weak Wii U.
>>336581969
>ALBW
>old shit
Come on, man.
I just wanna find cool little things dotted across the world, /v/. They don't even have to do anything. Just give me another shark or scratched up tree like OOT had.
>>336592789
Honestly he's right about that. ALBW was basically a straight up port of ALTTP outside of story and dungeons.
>>336592789
>ALBW
>good
lel
>>336589684
If there's a hidden cave somewhere, you know what'll be in it? Rupees or some piece of shit item you can farm somewhere else easier. Not since LttP has there been hidden actual items that are useful but not required. Enjoy climbing that mountain for rupees that you'll never need, or have a full wallet and be unable to collect them so opening the chest was pointless.
So more or less it mimics Nintendo as a whole of late. Climbing some mountain to find a rare wondrous thing to be greeted by disappointment.
>>336592728
>I bought a PS4 for its exclusives and because I have a childish aversion against the "PC community"
You have no room to laugh about people buying a Wii U for its exclusives. Pikmin 3 alone was a better experience for me than everyone on the PS4.
>>336592643
So have I. Even SS was pretty enjoyable at parts, although I'll definitely never replay it again.
>>336591435
Really?
I'm gonna be honest and say that after so many iterations of the same open world/dungeon shit on Zelda games, I'm glad they changed a little bit the formula and made everything one big puzzle. Probably gonna trigger a few people though.
>>336592978
1) That's not true. They implemented a crafting mechanic with loot you can find in chests and hidden insects you can catch etc with Zelda SS and partially even with other Zeldas. Even Wind Waker already had alternative loot for sidequests (no idea why they threw this out with TP, probably time pressure)
2) Nothing is stopping them just making money more useful.
3) It's about the experience itself discovering hidden paths etc.
4) We've already seen Link with a huge claymore and know it will be influenced by WRPGs, good chances there will be many optional items.
>>336581602
I'm looking forward to it. The comments they've made on it and how great ALBW was made me hype.
But fuck man, i don't want to buy a NX just for it.
>>336592994
I don't think I was laughing at anyone. I bought SF5 and DS3 on ps4. Being able to filter pc players who figured out the alt tab or the right click glitch was nice. Not being exposed to hacker mcsouldagger is also nice.
I'm not laughing at anyone who bought a wiiu, I would have bought it if I wanted the games. Some people did want the games. People have different tastes. I'm glad you enjoyed pikmin 3 so much, I really enjoyed 1, but by 2 I was kind of burned out on the whole thing.
>>336592994
The PC version isn't that much more polished, though. It's a From Software.
Serious question, does Link being right handed mean there could be a motion controlled option?
![woman-laughing-head-back-photo-420x420-ts-80608223[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4FrCyUi.jpg "woman-laughing-head-back-photo-420x420-ts-80608223[1]")
>>336581602
>>336581997
>but Nintendo will try to not make the same mistakes again,
You're so fucking deluded I can't even make fun of you. I really feel sad about it.
>>336592978
>only doing the exploration for the physical reward you get at the end
Can we please forcibly remove all autists from the board?
>>336593513
So far we've seen them aiming the bow with motion controls, but that's it. My guessing is that they just don't care and are using SS Link as base.
>>336592639
>Bayo
>good
Overrated wannabe DMC
>>336581602
Actually no. For the first time, I am not hyped for a Zelda game. Do not get me wrong, I am still going to get it, and still looking forward to the stream, but Nintendo has done everything in their power over the past 2 years to make me no longer hype for anything they do.
All of my Hype is towards other games that frankly look better and offer more- Persona 5, Final Fantasy 15, No Mans Sky, ect.
Any hype I would have had for an Open World Zelda died when I played Witcher 3 last year.
Fuck, I am more hyped for that Cyberpunk Waifu Bartending indie game than I am for Zelda at this point.
>>336584136
NX can only be a handheld that can be turned into home console, unlocking internal resolution to 1080p.
If nintendo does anything besides this, they lost another 5 years of business.
>3DS is doing fine
3DS is a 240p system in 2016, 2017 by the time NX releases.
Fuck off. 240p was made obsolete DURING the DS era, that's more than 10 years ago. I'd like to see something in my handheld screen, at some point.
>>336593639
If you 100% know that you will NEVER find anything useful, exploration suffers as a whole.
Exploration shouldn't reward every time, but it should reward you at least once, with something meaningful.
No matter how much you try and defend nintendo's horrible adventure feeling in the modern zelda titles.
Allow me to educate you silly fucking cretins on how this is going to go down, since you're so far gone that you can't even see the blatant truth which is right in front of you.
This is what you have to look forward to in Zelda U.
>Enemies that stand around doing nothing while you kill them
>Piss easy gameplay with not even a single shred of difficulty around (inb4 retards cry saying waaah this isn't darksouls. nobody is comparing it to darksouls you fucking autists, but some difficulty is absolutely required in order for the game to not feel boring. Difficulty which Nintendo will never give you).
>Barren overworld devoid of anything. It will be used as nothing more than to get from point A to point B
>Shitty orchestral soundtrack (I am so fucking tired of these, they all sound the same at this point and I don't see why /v/ has a hard on for them).
>Okay-Good dungeons. Probably not enough to keep you satisfied though, and again the lack of difficulty will hold them back.
>Ganon is the big bad again, replacing much more interesting villains towards the end of the game
>>336590290
>You can't disagree with facts. Mountaintops in Witcher 3 are completely generic shit and basically only exist (i..e don't have invisible walls preventing you from climbing them) because of that shitty achievements.
I'm not arguing that there's a lot to Witcher 3's mountaintops, just saying that there's plenty of stuff to find in its overworld.
I mean the mountaintops are pretty much only there if you want a nice view. Not saying that Zelda wouldn't do it better, but that's not bad in and of itself.
>>336594062
>Fuck off. 240p was made obsolete DURING the DS era, that's more than 10 years ago. I'd like to see something in my handheld screen, at some point.
Then go buy a shita you retarded fanboy. Then perhaps you'll understand how little of a difference good hardware makes when you have nothing to play but bland kawaii games with paper thin gameplay elements.
My 3DS is still seeing regular, daily use and I've owned one for 4 years.
>>336594213
Protip: Zelda items are almost never useful in general outside of very specific areas and very specific dungeons.
Seriously, who fucking cares? People explore because they're interested in the locale itself, not the fucking generic treasure chest at the end.
>>336581602
>getting hype over any Nintendo title in the year of our lord 2016
>>336594505
>My 3DS is still seeing regular, daily use and I've owned one for 4 years.
Just because you personally still play it doesn't mean the system isn't dead. Pokemon will be the final swan song before the NX replaces it.
>>336594610
Invisible cape
Hidden Magic wand
Boomerang in Links Awakening
Fuck you those items were godly and hidden and you felt rewarded for finding them. I don't feel shit for exploring and finding a useless chest of rupees other than disappointment.
>>336594840
NX is replacing the Wii U.
3DS will be replaced next year (since it's hacked), forcing Nintendos hand.
Where did this meme that the NX is a handheld come from? It's 100% a home console. It isn't even debatable.
>>336594227
Is your image meant to be ironic, faglord?
>tech arrow
>not the green tunic
>that awful WW/TP mashup artstyle
How can anyone be excited?
>>336594960
I thought it was my "Prepare to be bullied" version.
I dun fucked up so it looks out of place in relation to my post.
>>336594943
>I don't feel shit for exploring
Which is why you're an autistic zombie.
>>336594954
It's a handheld AND a home console. And you're right 3DS will be replaced next year, as soon as the NX releases.
>>336581602
Why would you buy another Nintendo console after how badly they've fucked you this generation and the last?
>>336595196
>It's a handheld AND a home console.
Except it isn't.
>>336585763
>>336585952
What a bunch of contrarian faggots.
I fucking hate Zelda threads, all you get are retards saying NO THIS GAME I LIKE IS GOOD AND THE GAME YOU LIKE IS BAD
>>336595101
Why would I want to explore an area with nothing to find? You might as well "explore" a flat barren desert.
>>336586128
>SS
I would argue that SS did something that the Zelda series absolutely needed to experience going through before it could advance further. The exploration aspect of the games prior had been extremely lacking and felt often tacked on in place of proper content and things to do.
SS on the other hand actually felt like you were slowly pushing your way through the world, rather than relying on NPC sidequests or the plot to unlock shit for you, aside from the robots. Having outer-dungeon segments that preceded the actual dungeon was rad as hell. Granted the green hill zone wasn't too fantastic but it wasn't bad either, and the volcanic and desert areas were both wonderful.
The environmental puzzles have always been the series' greatest draw for me, and have been something Aonuma hasn't been too great at in the 3D games until we got Skyward Sword which focused on them almost entirely. It's a huge part of why I rank that game so highly among the 3D entries despite its numerous, glaring flaws that pull me out of the gameplay. The actual game, handholding, harp, and having to flap the remote to use your bird aside, was fantastic. Good puzzles, good level design, didn't feel like you were just running across a field to get to places at all, which was a huge failing of both WW and TP.
>>336595253
Just accept it the 3DS is dead you can stick with it or you can buy a real console.
>>336595101
Not sure if intentionally taken out of context or you can't read.
>>336594227
>tryhard post filled with /v/ maymays and contrarian, terribly presented arguments
>that fucking image
>>336595329
>What a bunch of contrarian faggots.
>A bunch of /v/ hipsters suddenly started liking MM because they wanted to be unique snowflakes due to everybody liking OoT
>Suddenly the people that remember how garbage games like MM are, are contrarian.
Oh i am laffin
>I fucking hate Zelda threads, all you get are retards saying NO THIS GAME I LIKE IS GOOD AND THE GAME YOU LIKE IS BAD
Then get the fuck out you crying little bitch. That is how these threads have always been and will always be.
Reddit sounds right up your alley if you want a hugbox.
>>336585176
Don't they have Monolith Soft helping out with world/map design like they do with other Zeldas since acquisition? Given MS's experience with the Xenoblades, I don't think that'll be too much of an issue.
>>336584067
>NX is a handheld
Yes, I'm sure this open-world Zelda is being ported to a fucking handheld.
>>336581602
Zelda U will have 4 dungeons that are each about an hour long. The entire focus is going to be on visuals, so they'll be very pretty looking, but shallow as fuck.
Screencap this then shitpost with it when it's out
>>336595527
>Still selling more than every other console weekly
>Dead
lmao
Asshurt shita lover shitting the bed. Pure pottery.
>>336595343
Why would you want to explore anything at all?
Navigating the map solely for some item isn't exploration, it's just scouting for items.
>>336585841
you want hours of cutscenes taking up space on the disc instead of the devs using their time putting in actual shit you play through
okay anon
that's fair
but I think you want to watch a movie, if you would rather watch Link having the plot explained to him and what will happen next rather than doing stuff
>>336595476
>Having outer-dungeon segments that preceded the actual dungeon was rad as hell.
I want this meme to die a painful death.
This is THE worst thing about SS and a few of the 2D Zeldas. Dungeon elements and puzzles make the overworld feel artificial and contrived as fuck, killing all personality and charm. Oh yeah, I love that volcano that is entirely shaped to accomodate that bomb-bowling. Man, I love that Zelda world that is more reminiscent of Mario levels than a Zelda world.
>>336594227
>>Shitty orchestral soundtrack (I am so fucking tired of these, they all sound the same at this point and I don't see why /v/ has a hard on for them).
Your post was shit, but I agree with you on this. Since Link seems to be more nomadic in this one I think some sort of medieval folk would be much better.
Classical music is nine times out of ten boring as shit. Sorry, self confessed music connoisseurs.
>>336581602
I feel it too, bro. It's truly happening again. Next Zelda, niggers.
The most wonderful tiiime of the decade.
>>336586223
The side quests are what gave the game world its life, you idiot.
>>336595764
Mind adding a bag of dicks and crow to you post?
I won't schreenshot your stupid shit without it.
>>336595764
Screencap my dick and use it to massage your prostate, you fricking faggot.
>>336585335
petty and ultimately pointless sidequests
>>336595764
the only thing I want from this game, is for the rumours from 2 years ago, in which the game would have dungeons where you would need to flip a switch in one dungeon to open a door in another dungeon to be true
having the dungeons be huge too
that's all I want Nintendo
>>336596139
>>336596162
time will tell
>>336585335
I would seriously contest that. I've played WW recently and there was next to nothing you could do in its overworld.
Unless it had 50 fucking sidequests hiding from me in the background, I strongly doubt it had more to do than OoT or MM or even goddamn SS.
90% of the islands were worthless bullshit, the only quests were worthless fetch quests, there were a few towers with chests in them and some treasure hunting spots but those were nothing of any real value, and I can remember like... 6 to 8 sidequests.
The game disappointed me quite a lot.
>>336595805
Sales have been on a steady decline for a while now. Also, all of Nintendo's big hitters have been released on it already (Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Pokemon). It is desperately in need of being replaced, and the most likely scenario is that they will try and replace both their handheld and console at the same time with the NX. How exactly they'll do it, we'll have to wait and see.
>>336596081
>The side quests are what gave the game world its life, you idiot
Koizumi didn't even work on all of them, you idiot.
By the way I love how you faggots proclaim that Koizumi and as soon as you're proven wrong you instantly start backpedaling by saying "W-well, that was the only GOOD part of the game!", as if suddenly MM isn't such a fantastic game anymore all because you couldn't admit that Aonuma MAY have been responsible for some of its really good parts.
Fuck off.
I hope it's good and I'll buy it if it looks good, but I really just don't care that much anymore if it ends up sucking.
>>336594227
>>336596054
I'm not concerned there. Recent Zeldas, which have had Ryo Nagamatsu on board as composer, have already taken on a more folk-y sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arAL9xMQc18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YTz_X59Jxg
>>336591435
Your opinion is bad.
>>336596419
I love music that uses that folky-flute instrument. Am I retarded or does it have a really obvious name?
>>336596283
Wind Waker had exactly 18 sidequests and a bigger variety of overworld collectibles than most Zelda titles.
Now whether you LIKED those sidequests and overworld items is another matter entirely, but it had them. Did you really "recently" play the game?
>>336596019
Can't stop the truth by calling it a meme, pal.
It was one of the best design decisions they could have made. Their overworlds were seriously fucking lacking, especially in WW and TP, and it was just boring as hell traveling across the ocean just to get from one destination to another. It was so bad they had to litter the ocean with barrels to hop and treasure spots just to keep you from falling asleep, and TP in general was just too fucking huge.
Realism is overrated, especially in a video game based around doing puzzles. In fact, it's the fucking realism meme that has caused so many genres to fall into a slow decay of quality, like the FPS/TPS genres.
>>336596772
No. First off, negative space is a real and important aspect to games that rely on atmosphere and immersion, like Zelda does, AS LONG as it's not an excuse for lacking content.
And the only one where that point may be made, as you point out, is Wind Waker due to its long stretches of ocean. And even then the feeling of sprawling adventure is fucking superb.
As for TP, I'm playing through TPHD right now and I have to wonder what everyone who calls it huge and barren is fucking smoking. You can get to any location in that game in seconds via either warping or Epona, and there's collectibles fucking everywhere which are organically implemented, like bugs and Poes.
>>336596772
The pre-dungeons were a good idea, but it absolutely destroyed the overworld concept and there is no interconnectivity or warp thanks to this.
I mean, fuck, due to this decision they couldn't even implement a second goddamn town.
What truly attracts me are beliavable characters in a world that doesn't feel like it is put there just for you, where the NPCs have actual schedules of shit they must do to live, it's why I fucking loved Ocarina for the time of day mechanic and why I absolutely adored Majora's Mask, so much so that when I found out that in SS time was literally frozen unless you went to sleep and THEN you weren't allowed to leave your fucking island even if you vanquished the fucking lord of all demons I went completely ballistic.
>>336596772
>Realism is overrated, especially in a video game based around doing puzzles
Holy shit, just go play Tetris instead you enormous fucking faggot.
>>336589727
I wish this VR fad would die.
It crops up every 5 or so years since 1980 and it's shit. I don't care how "cool" the tech is, it's shit.
I've done VR. Goggles, gloves, stood on a platform in the basement of the Galleria in Dallas. Paid my $5 in quarters to play. It was shit. I just want to sit on a fucking couch with a fucking controller in my hands.
VR is retarded.
>>336597165
Honestly, OoT of time did "pre-dungeon" dungeon elements better than SS in the form of mini-dungeons, like the well and ice cavern. Those also added a nice element of nonlinearity as you could visit and complete them independently from the main dungeon progression. They were a great idea, a big strength of OoT and desperately need to return.
>>336589984
who the fuck is that faggot in the fish hat?
nice to talk with passionate fans about this series even tho it can get heated at times, good chat
>>336590379
yep. except I didn't really like WW. But I liked it more than TP, at least. It definitely played better and made more sense. It was just too short.
Anyway, it needs a beginning like LttP. Fuck yeah.
>>336597412
but the immersion anon!VR has fucking revolutionized porn though
>>336581602
>it will have great dungeons. That's all Zelda needs
I thought the point of Zelda was exploration. Unless the dungeons have some clever design and imaginative puzzles instead of navigating a linear path with classic but boring puzzles along the way, they're not that interesting.
>>336581602
It better be fucking good if they're devoting the entire E3 to it.
>>336596752
Yeah. Some time last year, which is recently when it comes to the Zelda release schedule. It was the HD version and some elements are leaking from my memory, but yes. I still have that very strong impression of WW being the first Zelda I was actually disappointed in, and I played both Phantom Hourglass and Skyward Sword, which, by the way, I liked enough to replay both. Twice.
Off the top of my head, I can think of, in terms of sidequests...
1) the flower trading chain
2) the moon picture thing
3) the picture stuff
4) the necklace thing for the teacher
5) the girl trying to steal from the safe
6) beating all the whirlwind octobeasties
7) watering all the trees
I think there were a couple on the bird island, I'm not sure what I remember from the tree island, and the rest is a blur.
Did the private resort island count as a sidequest or was that mandatory for game completion, or are those not mutually exclusive?
Really though my primary gripes had to do with the incredibly lacklustre overworld, shit-tier dungeons (even if they did improve the companion mechanic from OoT), a lacking number of dungeons, a piss poor selection of songs (two of which see only like, two uses each and one which is basically mandatory every time you want to so much as change direction in the boat and probably saw more use than many actual tools), and the character interactions and story which had SO MUCH POTENTIAL yet fell incredibly flat with not enough appearances from the characters to show any kind of development or build them up past that initial encounter before brainwashing like three of them into their destinies and never seeing two of them ever again.
My impression of WW is "so much potential, wasted".
I seriously want Capcom to start making Zeldas again.
>>336584619
>Zora armor in snow dungeon
I'm triggered
>>336593231
I agree. I've said that since day one. LA was like that. Hell so was LttP to a (much lesser) extent. Even OoT had its overworld puzzles.
>>336597132
>negative space is a real and important aspect to games that rely on atmosphere and immersion
Except that's never what Zelda's been about. Ever. It was about exploration in the earliest incarnation and has been more about solving puzzles ever since.
I do agree that negative space is important, however, and on that note one of my most minor gripes about SS is that it felt a little too densely packed, but I'd again argue that it was necessary to hit this extreme of the spectrum for the good of any future titles.
>I have to wonder what everyone who calls it huge and barren is fucking smoking
Ah, here's a mistake.
I called it huge.
I didn't call it barren. It's got a surprising amount of shit to find, but it's a little too sparsely placed. I think they could have shrunk the scale of the world a little bit and it would have felt better for it, while keeping everything else the same. Although I still feel put off by the lack of environmental puzzles compared to the N64 games or SS.
TP's dungeons are superb in implementing their signature tools, but a bit lacking when it comes to incorporating any but the most recognizable of previous tools, but again they're too fucking big. They could be reduced by a font size or two and they'd be almost perfect.
>>336581602
>huge and stuffed with things
Pick one.
>>336596772
Well I for one completely agree with you, though I also agree with what >>336597165 said about them being a good idea, but the ones in SS were executed poorly.
>>336597469
Agree with this completely too. In fact, I wish they just straight up went back to the OoT mini dungeon thing.
Here's what I want to see.
>Overworld has an abundance of hidden shit. No crazy good hidden shit mind you, but small tidbits like overworlds usually have (such as the holes in OoT and MM)
>Overworld has around 10 or so extremely interesting areas, that technically don't give you anything amazing, but serve as a good talking point for discussions (think the trapped shark in OoT)
>Completely optional mini dungeons and full fledged dungeons
I really want this. You have no idea how much I want this, but here's the main thing I'd want to accompany these. I'd like for them to be difficult. I'd like for them to challenge you. They're optional so this should give the devs free reign to up the difficulty considerably.
>World bosses
Do you not want this? We were speaking earlier about not wanting too many puzzles to plague the overworld, but how about some cryptic shit that when completed unleashes a world boss somewhere into the world? Having 4 or so of these would be a dream.
That is what I want from my overworld to be honest.
I'm pretty annoyed with myself now, because I've just hyped myself up and obviously most of this shit isn't going to happen.
Fuck.
>>336590472
TP is one of the worst games in the franchise.
>>336597354
Tetris isn't based around completion of environment and room-based puzzles you fucking ignoramus.
>>336593639
actually, an autistic child would be the one more compelled to explore for its own sake, out of a compulsive or obsessive need to do so for "completion" rather than being motivated by the chance of a reward.
>>336597949
Well yeah, if you're playing Zelda games for dungeons you're not going to like Wind Waker much - they weren't bad or anything, but they definitely weren't as good as other Zelda titles. Really though in terms of its side content it DID contain more than any other 3D Zelda game barring Majora's Mask.
Not counting minigames, Wind Waker had:
>Skull necklace collecting sidequest
>Gold Feather collecting sidequest
>Joy Pendant collecting sidequest
>Knight's Crest collecting sidequest
>Blue Chu Jelly collecting sidequest
>Deluxe Pictobox sidequest
>Pompie and Vera gossip sidequest
>Photo sidequests for Minenco, Kamo, and Linda
>Maggie's letter sidequest
>Thieving Mila sidequest
>Windmill repair sidequest
>Killer Bees sidequest
>Curing grandma sidequest
>Goron merchant trading sidequest
>Korok tree sidequest
>Nintendo Gallery sidequest
>Great Fairies
>Sea charts
>Fishman map charting
>Big Octo spots
>Hidden grottos (with puzzles and/or multiple rooms)
>Submarines
>Savage Labyrinth
Now if you didn't like that side content that's one thing, but it was definitely all present.
>>336581602
I'm convinced it'll be at least a 9.5/10 game.
With delays there's no reason for it to be unfinished either.
It better not do Skyward Sword motion controls again
>>336597289
I like this too, and expanding on that idea, I like when the worlds of games aren't proportioned for the express purpose of some hero to traipse through and collect the ragamuffins. Obviously that's the virtual goal of the game, but in a fantasy series like LoZ, where the world hasn't been rewrought by a dominant species to suit their purposes like Earth has by humans, I want to feel dwarfed by the beauty and size of the natural occuring world, admire the geometry of mountains, plains, and rivers, and generally be a stranger in a strange land.
This is what I enjoy about these promotional images like the one OP posted, because it looks larger than a typical overworld (and we know this just a portion of it). There's bound to be lots of negative space occupied only by nature and the art style seems lovely enough for this to be enjoyable on it's own. I don't think there's a been a game with so many uniquely drawn environmental resources that they merit attention on their own, but I hope Zelda U will come close.
>>336598797
It won't. It'll have totally new motion controls.
>>336598797
Nintendo has more-or-less abandoned motion controls. Gyro is where it's at now.
>>336598514
For some reason I'm not concerned about difficulty too much. Something as brain-dead simple as Hero Mode increasing the damage enemies deal spices up WWHD and TPHD surprisingly, and ALBW's Hero Mode gets nightmarish once you hit Lorule.
Speaking of unrealistic hype, what I would love most is fully customizable difficulty. Like, you can pick whether enemies deal 1x, 2x or 4x damage and you can turn heart, rupee and item drops off independently.
All of this would make heart pieces and money worthwhile and necessary with very simple measures, and it makes the game massively more fun. I know this because once you start actively avoiding item drops in the existing games, you start playing completely differently. For example, when you do this you NEVER hit the rupee limit because you're required to constantly buy supplies from stores.
Why do people praise non-linearty as the be-all end-all best game design? It's fine for some games, but forcing it for the sake of having it seems to happen often and it usually results in shit like Skyrim.
>>336581602
>gambitting your entire E3 on Zelda when your reputation is already hanging on the edge among even your fans
Is Tatsumi Kimishima a madman?
>>336599103
I agree
>>336599153
In any case they're making a bold as fuck move. They are betting EVERYTHING on Zelda being received well, and on the NX and its utterly unknown means of innovation and big launch lineup.
>>336597949
>capcom
>zelda
yes because Minish Cap was so inspiring.
>>336599153
>>336599290
Put it all on Zelda.
We cannot lose.
>>336599153
Hes looking for an excuse to kill Aonuma
>>336599153
>>336599290
They're clearly gonna have an E3-like direct sometime later. I'm just fucking hoping it's soon.
>>336599153
I guess I can understand his approach
Hardcore Nintendo fans have a reputation of sticking around in some form or another, so maybe they're banking on bringing people back with making the NX as appealing to them as possible.
Meanwhile, investors are happy and sated anyway with their mobile shite. Throw them a bone every once in a while, like announcing a date when they'll talk more indepth about AC and FE mobile and then get back to vidya.
>>336599153
>Tatsumi Kimishima
I wonder if he has gave Aonuma an ultimatum.
Save Nintendo with a game that will bring back the masses, or die to his Yakuza boys.
>>336599103
"Letting the players set their own difficulty" is something I really loved in Bravely Default, but I really doubt Nintendo is even capable of that kind of thought.
>>336598614
Actually, an autistic child would be the one more compelled to find all the "rewards" for their own sake, out of a compulsive or obsessive need to do so for "completion" rather than being motivated to familiarize themselves with the unique areas they discover.
Zelda is the roses on the Wii U's grave for Nintendo.
Maybe it'll actually be a 10/10 game to revive people's faith in Nintendo for the NX.
>>336598514
I don't think they were executed poorly at all. Many of them were quite enjoyable. It's just that the sheer frequency and density was a little bit too high. I for one didn't mind that, but I can see how someone who enjoys exploration would probably take issue with that since they'd make it feel very set path.
My issue with exploration though, especially in the 3D Zelda games post N64, is that it feels very... fake. Like there's not ACTUALLY a whole lot of option on where to go sometimes, but it's so wide open that you kind of don't notice that.
>>336597289
The sleeping for night and lack of night flight were big minuses of SS for sure, and this is coming from someone who ranks it fairly highly among the 3D Zeldas. But then again, SS felt like it had some of the most likeable and believable NPCs in a while. Admittedly they didn't move around on a schedule like MM, but they all felt individual and many felt like they had their own lives, their own little bits about themselves that they hid away from other NPCs and so on. Skyloft was a huge ball of secrets and desires when you really take a look at the NPCs.
>>336581602
>Being hyped for a literal meme game that has been declining in quality for the last years
e p i c
I want to to continue up TP's story or MM's timeline.
I dont the whole "oh there's no reincarnation, so let's just pick a random boy!" or let's go back to the beginning... please no.
>>336599040
Gyro is just as bad imo
Hi, this is the best theme in Zelda history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQBHqypX-lQ
>>336599354
>>336599497
These anon's know.
Does anyone even want a non-linear Zelda? I'd rather have content rather than a big world full of shut I can only do after x item or x dungeon.
>>336599830
Skyloft and its NPCs were a legitimately good part of Skyward Sword, I won't disagree with that.
The problem is that all of that shit was focused entirely on one area when it should have been more evenly spread out throughout the overworld to provide it with a more believable liveliness and realism. It was literally the ONLY specific area of SS's entire map that I actually enjoyed visiting personally.
>>336600035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7T6ZNgoP5M
is the best Zelda song
>>336600086
If having the game be non linear means we get a much lower difficulty in general (especially considering Zelda is already a very easy series as it is), then no, I'd rather it be linear.
>>336599905
considering Gyro is way more accurate than sticks for aiming, I'll gladly take it. (as long as it's optional so no one is forced to use it)
>>336599497
on that note, how must the Zelda dev team feel?
You're making a fucking Zelda game so the expectations of the fans are probably never far from your mind, which can already be quite stressful.
And then you get told your game has to carry the entire E3 presentation of your employer. Nothing but your product, it's sink or swim, if this doesn't immediately win over the audience and fulfil all those little fanboy wishes, they're going to label the presentation shit, your game shit, you shit.
>>336600086
Non-linear in Aonuma's mind means you can do dungeon 1 or dungeon 2 first, but you have to do the other one next
Do people still care about Zelda?
Only gamergurls and nostalgia idiots care for this shit series.
I'm not a fan of the graphics.
>>336598619
Look man, only two dungeons in WW were any good at all and even then one of them still exemplified a major problem with the game.
That so much of it was based around fucking block pushing puzzles. The hovering fan shit in the temple with the giant fan was kind of neat, and the mirror bouncing shit in the temple with the bird was also kind of fun, but then we run into problems like blocks being stuck in the fucking ground and following a set track and taking nearly a minute just to push into its predetermined end of the track.
WW's temples felt like glorified acrobatics courses built around block pushing puzzles than anything actually decent. It didn't feel like you were figuring out puzzles, just seeing them and them being so fucking simple that you IMMEDIATELY understood what to do and it just became a chore when so many of them were PUSHING FUCKING BLOCKS.
>>336599345
Minish Cap was fucking amazing man, and I will type an angry face emoticon at ANYONE who claims otherwise.
>one of the series' best companions
>lots of great puzzles
>splitting gimmick was used to great variety and effect, even had combat uses
>shrinking gimmick got a lot of use out of pre-existing dungeon rooms and made you view a lot of things in a different perspective when holes became bottomless pits and you had to go through pipes and shit fighting bugs and clearing cobwebs before you could go big again
>fucking amazing perspective
>what little time we're given with Zelda in the beginning clearly establishes her personality, relationship with Link, and enough of a character to feel like you actually want to rescue her
>world design was pretty good, lots of different ways to enter different areas from different directions and explore something you couldn't have accessed from somewhere else
>really great tool usage
>fantastic combat system
>wonderful aesthetic
And so on.
>>336600821
It was very, very short. It pretty much ended right when it started to hit its stride.
It took way too much "inspiration" from wind waker and it was painfully obvious.
>>336581602
>Hope you guys have already sold your shitty Wii U on Ebay and will buy the NX for it
Fuck you, Nintendo. I already bought your shitty ass Wii U for this piece of shit game and you've still delayed this garbage. You aren't getting shit from me except for the genuine desire for this shit to flop hard.
>>336582505
God that stopping animation worries me. So stiff and bad looking. Hope that's just an early version
>>336585690
>Aonuma gave us MM
He almost fucked MM up.
He did some good dungeons in it though.
>>336600821
Kinstones are one of the worst things in any Zelda game ever.
>>336600158
Oh, definitely. Having at least one other town in the sky would have helped immensely. There were lots of things that could have been done.
It's my understanding that the only reason you couldn't just fly into skyloft like WW was because there were some secrets that required certain tools or progression to access and the bird would make it too simple to bypass some of them, but then again I don't understand why they couldn't have had invisible walls aided by strong gusts of wind or something since you ARE flying.
The lack of night time flying really burnt me though, especially given that we are technically a hero even if we haven't graduated knight academy and we're explicitly shown characters that can and do fly at night.
My ideal version of SS would have had some mini dungeons tucked off to the sides with secret upgrades for some tools, a second town, fluid transition between sky and skyloft, and a gradual night-day system with sleeping only existing to skip the time it would take.
>>336584643
Damn it.
>>336600821
>Minish cap
>one of the best Zelda games ever wasn't even developed by Nintendo
Why am i not surprised?
>>336591093
What?
>>336581602
This person right here is absolute cancer.
>>336590724
Stated like how Bethesda states half their bullshit you fucking retard.
Remember when Nintendo said Skyward Sword would take 100 hours?
>>336600821
>Look man, only two dungeons in WW were any good at all
I'm not sure why you're turning this into a debate, I agreed that WW's dungeons weren't as particularly strong as other Zelda games. Did you want me to say that they were shit altogether? Because I just don't agree with that, really - the partner mechanics in the Earth and Wind temples were utilized surprisingly well and I liked a lot of the other puzzles in the dungeons too.
And trying to gauge the puzzles by how "immediately obvious" they were isn't much of a critique since Twilight Princess was just as bad in that regard.
>>336601567
>Remember when Nintendo said Skyward Sword would take 100 hours?
Uhhh, it did though?
>>336598790
>Aonuma doesn't like Zelda 1
>is trying to remake Zelda 1
This will be a fucking disaster
>>336600973
>It was very, very short.
Wind Waker was, yes. It didn't help that the shit tier story pacing made it feel like I was about halfway through the game when in actuality I was near the end.
Minish Cap wasn't terribly long, but on the other hand unlike Wind Waker it actually had tons and tons and tons of fucking content. Places to actually go and explore and things to actually fight. Its story pacing was fantastic. I didn't feel much if any inspiration from Wind Waker at all, except in maybe some aspects of the visual aesthetic.
Minish Cap actually felt like a full and satisfying experience to me.
I completely forgot about Zelda Wii U after the anouncement of Persona 5 lol
I am surprised that idiots still care about this garbage series
>>336600821
Wind Waker didn't have block pushing puzzles, it just had block pushing. Remember the giant mirror room at the end of the Earth Temple? The solution was to push every mirror along its straight line track until it fell into an indent at the end and you couldn't move it any more.
Game had garbage dungeons.
Holy fucking shit just give up on this dead as fuck series
the last real Zelda that came out is what? 10 years ago? Fuck are you expecting from Jap devs that grew up in the meme age
>>336601110
Looks reclycled from TP. Just like in that demo where you can see Epona stopping, going on two feet and rotating awkwardly.
>tfw skyward sword got so much flak that we will never get anything cool from it ever again
i don't give a fuck what any of you faggots say, those silent realms were so much better than i first thought they would be.
>>336601957
>the last real Zelda
was the last Zelda that came out last year not real? Was ALBW not real?
>>336601957
>10 years ago?
Wrong. Only a few years ago actually. ALBW is one of the best Zelda games and is widely loved on here.
It literally has only 2 problems.
It's easy (even by Zelda standards)
It's short.
Other than that, it's a great game.
>>336581602
What's happening again? puberty?
>>336601846
>Minish Cap
>content
Low quality bait.
>>336601610
>I'm not sure why you're turning this into a debate
Because you claimed they weren't bad or anything, when they explicitly WERE bad. They were prime example of how NOT to do dungeons.
They weren't dogshit, but they were way below average. It's not simply a matter of being not as strong, they just weren't good. The best compliment I could possibly offer them is that they were painfully mediocre and incredibly boring.
The partner mechanics were the best thing about those dungeons, and literally the only good thing about them, but they didn't make up for the complete lack of decent puzzles. The only dungeon that really wowed me to ANY degree was the one where you took your boat through it, which was so novel a concept that I actually wish SS had some kind of Link + Bird dungeon.
True, TP wasn't so good in the immediately obvious department, but on the other hand it had a more than decent variety of puzzles. Very few rooms felt like something you'd seen before.
>>336602145
>>336602127
It's shit
Casual pleb game
But i am not surprised, drones love to eat shit
>>336602127
>handheld zelda
>real zelda
nah son LOL how can you consider that an actual Zelda game? They developed that game in literally 24 hours.
>>336601846
I disagree completely. But thanks for playing.
>>336602000
I really want the stamina gauge to come back in some form. Climbing up walls was fun
>>336602190
You saying it didn't? Especially with WW in the argument?
>>336602145
>It's easy (even by Zelda standards)
>It's short.
This is considered great huh?
>>336602218
>>336602224
>It's a /v/ meme episode
>>336601926
Yeah, I'm probably giving them too much credit by calling them puzzles.
>>336581602
>non-linear games
>having good dungeons
not possible
zelda games NEED to be able to tune the complexity (in terms of items assumed to be possessed and thereby solvable puzzles that can be made, AS WELL AS in terms of how much of the game the player has played, and therefore how experienced he is at the game, and therefore how good he is at the game, and therefore how hard the dungeons should be) of the dungeons, or they will be trash
LBW was a decent game on account of the god-tier engine, but it would have been SO much better if it were able to give its dungeons an order instead of the stupid item shop system
>>336586030
LA was great and its overworld was exactly what a Zelda overworld should be, fuck you
>>336592957
>ALBW
>bad
I don't like this opinion.
>>336581602
i was never hyped for TP, nor am i hyped for this anymore desu
ninty has let me down far too much
>>336581602
I would be at least a little hyped for Nintendo's E3 if they weren't showing only ONE fucking game. And they're not even unveiling the NX yet. What the fuck is going on over there? I don't know how anybody can be a cheerleader for Nintendo right now
>>336602000
>>336602261
Silent realms were SO MUCH OF AN IMPROVEMENT OVER LIGHT BUGS, holy fucking shit.
>the first time you fuck up and activate the guardians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8_LJN-dxtc
>YFW THE SHAMAN LOOKING FUCKER CAN ACTUALLY PHASE THROUGH WALLS
>>336602201
I really think you're just exaggerating then. I wasn't a fan of the block pushing puzzles either but it's not like they were the only part of WW's dungeons when Tower of the Gods, Earth Temple and Wind Temple explicitly involved other things.
The point of the post you replied to was focused on the amount of side content of the game anyway, the comment I made about WW's dungeons was just a little side note.
Is it just me or Zelda is now more something like Star Wars or Star Trek?
Something that "we old nerds" only talk about.
>>336601846
FOUR
FUCKING
DUNGEONS
>>336602290
That's exactly what I'm saying.
List the content Minish Cap has outside of its dungeons and the compare that with other Zelda games.
>>336601046
This feeling will be even worse if we find out that the NX can play Wii U games.
>>336602932
I'd actually forgotten about that.
I guess Minish Cap is one of the few Zeldas to make me not actively count its number of dungeons because it felt like there was so much else you could do even outside of them. Off the top of my head, I think the only other Zeldas that really accomplish that for me are LttP, OoT, SS and PH.
Wanna know what I miss?
>Inb4 I'm wrong and every Zelda game, unbeknown to me still does this
I miss bosses getting some build up, like in OoT.
>Bongo bongo burning the town down and flinging Link + Sheik around like ragdolls
>Volvagia constantly being referenced throughout the game
>Meeting Twinrova while they mind break the Sand bitch
Just little shit like that.
I have actually played just about every Zelda game, but I can't seem to recall many, if any at all having the bosses show up before you actually fight them.
>>336602932
I'm counting 6; there was both the Wind Ruins (probably got the name wrong) and the Tower of Winds, and Dark Hyrule Castle was an actually full dungeon and not like the LA/OOT/MM/Oracles/WW/TP/SS finales.
>>336602864
Well, the age of sheer Zelda saturation of 2000-2003 is long past. Zelda, top-quality Zelda at that, is a rare luxury commodity these days.
>>336603157
>MC
>SS
>PH
>so much else you could do even outside of them
You're a fucking retard.
>>336601680
Yes, but not for the reasons the devs intended.
>>336581602
NO... bad /v/. Stop this ridiculous hype. Be reasonable. Wait and see if it's worth anything before blindly buying into hype again. I thought you said you would be better next time.
>>336603208
Some bosses in Twilight Princess get a pretty nice build-up.
Fyrus - There's talks about something happening to the goron chief
Blizzeta - Transforms from an NPC acting weirdly
Argorok - Is seen flying around from any outdoor area of the dungeon, attacks more directly a few times
>>336603056
>the billions of people you could do Kinstone trades with, some of whom actually did multiple trades
>lots of chests that had useful shit that weren't mandatory to access, although occasionally said useful shit turned out to be kinstones admittedly
>mirror shield goron stuff
>enchanted boomerang tingle stuff
WW was so low on in-world content that sidequests were pretty much necessary to give it any sort of content at all. Meanwhile there's alternate paths all over the place in MC, most of the combat techniques are entirely optional, and nothing you collect is useless. There's lots of items that you gotta unlock and aren't just handed to you, although admittedly most are things you stick in jars but still.
>>336603379
Care to make an actual rebuttal?
>>336603541
You got me there.
>>336603379
I think he means the games are not just going from dungeon to dungeon, but there's all kinds of different challenges in between.I think Skyward Sword does this really well, problem is that the motivation for the tasks is very thin most of the time
>>336603743
You listed four different types of things you could do in MC. Meanwhile, >>336598619
listed 18 sidequests (many of which involve overworld exploration), seven MORE things to explore outside of those sidequests, and 5 types of collectibles.
MC's collectibles were... Kinstones, which ARE fucking useless after a certain point.
You're blatantly shitposting.
>>336603208
Pretty much just OoT does that.
>>336586316
I want to say it's just that one retard who keeps spewing 'muh dungeons' but it is probably the fact that Nintendrones have the dumbest ideas for what is good or innovative. This is why they're stuck playing games with dated mechanics on consoles with weaker GPUs than my cell phone while everyone else gets to brag about being part of mustardrace or how much they love bloodborne.
>>336604217
Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't make it shitposting.
Wind Waker is the epitome of quantity over quality, and I'm going to be completely honest with you and admit that I don't remember absolutely everything MC offered, so you shouldn't take what I remember off the top of my head to be an absolute list of what you can do.
MC also had the fucking seashells, which could be used to collect figurines, and you'd best believe I went for 100% on that shit. There was the cucco-wrangling minigame, and the dream combat minigame, and so on.
There were lots of things that I'd hesitate to call sidequests because they're pretty much just a single task or two even though many of them feel pretty optional.
>>336604674
>quantity over quality
So then you don't actually have an argument since you admit that WW just has more to DO in it than MC.
There's no side content in MC that inherently has more "quality" than WW. Both involve treasures with different collectibles and both involve sidequests and minigames, the only difference is that WW just had more variety in all of those regards.
It's not that I don't like your opinion, I just think you're genuinely a moron.
anyone still have the picture of the map?
>>336605281
It's pretty clear that you don't like my opinion, else you wouldn't have hand waved it off as "blatant shitposting." Sorry to say, but shitposting is malicious or non-appropriate in nature, not a fucking opinion, even one you perceive as being wrong.
>WW just has more to DO
But it doesn't. It has more sidequests, yes, but those sidequests are barebones as hell. A few of which are done alongside the main quest and are nothing more than free rewards with little actual personal involvement, and some of which fit the same grain of "things I'd hesitate call sidequests" that I'd mentioned about MC.
That MC actually has a fucking interconnected world alone gives it way more content than WW does, even if much of it is related to making your way along the path to the main quest, and there are lots of things off to the side along said path that you don't need to do, but can anyways. The great fairies, for instance, or pockets in caves with chests (which I don't actually remember all too many of in WW, although I'm sure they were there), or business scrubs, or rooms in dungeons pretty much dedicated to treasure hoarding, or heart pieces hidden away in the dungeons behind their own dedicated puzzle solutions, and so on.
That the dungeons were actually good dungeons makes you actually DO more stuff in said dungeons, instead of simply running through the motions as with WW.
>>336606087
>one anon demonstrates that WW had more side content and a bigger VARIETY of side content than MM
>you change the goalposts to shit about the map layout and dungeons, neither of which have to do with the actual side content you engage in
Again, it's not that I don't like your opinion. I don't even think of it as an opinion, really, because it's obvious as hell that you're just talking out of your ass at this point because you can't construe a proper rebuttal.
nintendo has stated that nx isn't a successor to wii u or the 3ds.
>>336607034
>MM
Meant to say MC here, my bad.
>>336607207
>muh third pillar
yes we all know that the DS totally didn't replace the GBA
>>336581602
Considering how TP didn't match its hype at all and Aonuma's terrible track record then no, not one bit.
>>336581997
>We know enough
No we don't, all we have are promises from a talentless hack who's only around to delay production of games by padding them with bullshit that end up reducing their value.
>>336607034
>WW had more side content and a bigger variety of side content than MM
That is so blatantly untrue it hurts to--
>>336607331
Ah whoops. Carry on then.
>you change the goalposts
No. My argument has always been about things to do in the game, whether side content or not, and an argument evolving to include more components to give a clearer, bigger picture shouldn't be treated as a bad thing. In any case, things to do includes doing things in world, and in dungeon. Or do you not count heart containers with their own puzzles in dungeons that you are by no means required to get as side content?
The definition of side content has a lot of flexibility, and MC and WW focus on different types of side content. I don't think WW's side content is as good even if it is more numerous and involves more individual activities, but I'll admit that this has to do significantly with its world design to me, as the side content doesn't feel as naturally integrated in WW as it does in MC.
>because you can't construe a proper rebuttal
First off, I don't think construe means what you think it means if you're using it in that context. Second, I don't think you have any leeway to criticize me on proper rebuttals when you're the one that resorted to accusing me of shitposting at the first available opportunity.
>>336607207
It's not a successor to either one individually, but it is a successor to both simultaneously.
>>336608323
>My argument has always been about things to do in the game
Which Wind Waker objectively has more of. I mean if you LIKE the Minish Cap activities more that's really more of a personal preference on your part, but don't go around shitting on people who happen to prefer Wind Waker's.
>Or do you not count heart containers with their own puzzles in dungeons that you are by no means required to get as side content?
Wind Waker also had this, although WW's self-dedicated puzzles were more often distributed to hidden grottos than main dungeons. I don't see why this is a bad thing though.
>but I'll admit that this has to do significantly with its world design to me
Then we'll just agree to disagree since I think that would come down to preference. I prefer WW's more open world design, but MC's wasn't bad in and of itself.
>First off, I don't think construe means what you think it means if you're using it in that context
Fucking autocorrect changed "construct" to "construe", that's what I get for typing on my shitty phone.
>>336607207
Thank god, those are terrible.
>>336582129
>Which do you think would be more likely /v/?
>Aonuma Zelda
Take a wild guess.
>>336609181
At this point, I'm willing to just agree to disagree with you here as well. And I absolutely WILL shitpost to end the conversation.I enjoyed PH way more than WW.This is only shitposting because someone will take issue with this 100% genuine opinion of mine.
>typing on my shitty phone
<insert generic ">mobileposter >being a fucking idiot" response here>Really though I find that most conflicts I have with other Zelda fans typically come down to what each of us find to be important or enjoyable elements in the games. It's why I still recognize WW as being a good game despite the fact that it so sorely disappoints me in nearly every way. I feel like Zelda has the biggest variety in terms of what the fans want out of the series out of any other franchise I've played.
>>336609948
Alright, fair enough. At least you can see where I'm coming from so I'll acknowledge that you weren't shitposting and that I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
>Really though I find that most conflicts I have with other Zelda fans typically come down to what each of us find to be important or enjoyable elements in the games. It's why I still recognize WW as being a good game despite the fact that it so sorely disappoints me in nearly every way. I feel like Zelda has the biggest variety in terms of what the fans want out of the series out of any other franchise I've played.
I completely agree with this, by the way. It's obvious that we all have our personal biases in regards to what we look for in Zelda games especially when it comes to overworld structure.
>>336584481
>the big flaws were predictable, though, we just didn't WANT to see them
I still can't get over the retarded design, want to change place? Warp to the sky, loading, wander the fat lot of nothing that is the sky until the drop zone, enjoy more loading, tada, you're finally there, barely took 5 minutes.
>>336610461
>It's obvious that we all have our personal biases in regards to what we look for in Zelda games
I think I've reached the point where I'm more concerned about stuff I don't want rather than stuff I would like to see.
>>336610645
Why the fuck didn't they have an actual music system with the harp?
Like at the very least have an actual UI with strings on-screen, and use the trigger to stick your fingers out to strum or pluck strings.
Even for someone who really likes SS, there's just some things I can't abide. The music factor has been part of Zelda, especially 3D Zeldas for ages, and they just keep putting less and less effort into it. WW's selection of songs were complete ass, Wolf Link was tonedeaf, and the Harp had next to no actual input in it.
>>336590269
Still can't sail: you can't control the winds, and even when you can the talkboat shoves you to your next destination whether you want to or not.
>>336582129
Im actually betting on the second coming of christ.
This game has a ridiculous amount of potential and it seems pretty hard to completely fuck up.
We already have the pretty big world and that fantastic art direction, plus we'll surely get amazing zelda dungeons and the music is a given.
>>336609948
>I enjoyed PH way more than WW
Well there's one thing PH did have that I really wished was in WW.
Fucking FISHING. Holy shit why didn't a game set in the OCEAN of all places not include a fishing mechanic?
>>336598531
The funny thing about TP is that by removing 50% of its contents, you'd end up with a much better game.
>>336611296
They actually state that there's hardly any fish left in the Great Sea.
Doesn't excuse no fishing, but the more you know.
Man I fucking love Nintendo as much as the next guys, but they've really fucked a lot of shit up this gen
>Animal Crossing getting even further diluted and being whored out with a confusing board game thing that didn't even QA check its main feature
>Star Fox Zero is an insane thing to even release, it's not fucking finished and looks like it has alpha textures at times
>Tri Force Heroes contained a single player version of the game that is outright broken, aside from being a boring game even in multiplayer, which is fucking miraculous
>Even allowing Hyrule Warriors Legends to be released when it runs at less than 15fps on the 3DS
>Allowing Pikmin 3 to be released when, like SFZ, it clearly wasn't finished
>Mario Tennis Ultra Smash was allowed out the door, published by Nintendo, being barely feature complete, and lacked features and stages
I just refuse to believe that this Zelda game is going to be THAT fucking good. Like they should make a clean break with NX in general.
>>336611296
>the treasure mechanic was a more fleshed out and enjoyable minigame
>basing the entire game around four quadrants instead of a million sectors that were all required to have their own islands reduced the number of completely pointless islands, meaning each island could feel like it had more to it than a single gimmick before you leave and never return, and the much smaller area meant that treasures actually felt more valuable
>the boat did require you to draw a path every time you wanted to change course, but you could put in a more complex course without having to change the wind at every turn
>the cannon was 9 million times better holy shit
>boat customization was neat
Like, almost everything about the actual ocean aspect of WW was significantly improved upon, minus being able to fluidly move from ocean to town waters and from your boat to the dock. There was a greater variety of ocean bosses too, wasn't there? I feel like that's the case.
I also remember enjoying most of PH's dungeon shenanigans, and thoroughly liking the fact that there was riddle and map-based puzzles in the game.
>yfw "press the sacred mark against the map"
>>336582129
It's going to be an amazing Zelda game that utterly defies convention and delivers on nearly every aspect on what 3D Zelda should be
...with some ridiculous design choices.
You know what SE did with FFXV? Like, they'd show little updates, occasionally take feedback, etc. Nintendo needs to do that. Seriously. There's so many amazing aspects of their games that are bogged down by "what the flying FUCK was the designer thinking with this shit?" that turn modern Nintendo games from 9/10s to 7/10s
>>336581602
can't wait to play this in 2018
by the time this comes out it will have been 6 years in development.
name a single good game that spent that long in the oven.
>>336612821
so, basically SS/TP all over again.
the public knows nothing aside from that trailer almost 2 years ago and the game has likely been altered quite a bit since that time
will likely be disappointed with grand expectations, don't fall for the "hype" bull shit
>>336613002
Can't name a game right this moment... so I'll name an anime.
Redline.Seven years hand drawn!
>>336613002
The worst part is that 6 years was the realistic number after SS. No matter the promises, Aonuma or Miyamoto would make sure delays would happen. Then they probably realized that releasing such an expensive game on a failed system was financial suicide.
>>336613359
On the other hand, making it a launch title with their new system, given that it's one of the core games of the Nintendo family, would probably make it a big success.
>>336612775
Everything about the boat was better in PH barring the navigation since to be frank I prefer just having more direct steering control as opposed to plotting a course every time.
Not sure I agree on the islands thing, since most of PH's optional islands were minigames that were all kind of lousy and not particularly fun. I felt like WW's overworld just had more content in it, that's not to say PH's overworld didn't have a good bit of content itself.
PH would have been much better overall if the music wasn't so grating.
>>336613462
They probably feel extremely embarassed about the Wii U failure though.The stupidpeople who bought the system just for thiseven though there's no reason to spend money on a system for an unreleased gamemust be mad.
>>336613002
Ocarina of Time.
>>336613002
>6 year
Development begun in 2013, I believe. So 4 years max by the time it was released, it's likely finished but they're working on the NX version at this point.
>>336613762
I just feel good that I was as interested in as many titles for the system as I was before I bought it. I feel absolutely no shame or disappointment in owning it at all. Granted it sucks that its library of worthwhile games is kind of small, but I'm still proud of it.
>>336613002
>6 years in development
>2013 was 5 years ago
>>336582129
First one, but not shitty.
It will be ok, as always, and nothing more, while it needs to be like in the second scenario.
We will forget about it like we did with all the other zelda games that came out during the last decade.
I don't even remember what it tastes like to wait for a new Zelda. Back then I could feel the hype, now it's all over.
And actually, deep inside, i hope it will be the second scenario, just to feel what I felt back in the days playing alttp, la, ocarina, majora, the oracles, ww, minish cap and tp.
>>336613642
PH's biggest flaws were definitely to do with the control scheme gimmick and the hardware limitations making its soundtrack and visuals lacklustre as hell, but the actual game underneath of those I honestly feel is pretty good. Then again, I genuinely enjoy the Temple of the Ocean King and I'm a huge sucker for games where acquiring the MacGuffins actually affect your play quality / play style.
>deal more damage
>take less damage
>or shoot wide beams from your sword
>can upgrade these functions by finding collectibles all around the world on different islands
yessssssssssssssssss
I can take 30 fps but it better not drop a single one.
>>336614013
>waited for SS to come out to buy a Wii
>actually buy SS one years after its release with a 40% discount
>it's a goddamn, unending chore
This is the kind of experience that's so bad people should pay you to play it.
>>336582129
Just a mediocre game.
It's always just a mediocre game lately.
>>336614298
That was actually my experience with the unending hype and praise for WW here on /v/, then when I actually played WWHD I was so let down. Meanwhile the complete opposite was true of SS for me.
>>336582129
If it's anything like what they've hyped it up to be, particularly in terms of exploration and shit, it'll be the second coming of christ my nigga.
>Hyrule Warriors had Ghirahim do his ritual dance in a cutscene again
>mfw
>>336612775
>each island could feel like it had more to it than a single gimmick before you leave and never return
Punk Hazard totally did have those though, there were just less of them.
>>336615538
Eh, I feel like there was at least a few things you could dig up with the shovel on each island.
>breaking huge blocks of soft walls with the mole mitts
I wonder what's up with those arrows?
Let me guess, Zelda will be in danger, and you'll need to save her in order to save Hyrule? That's a first.
>>336620335
People didn't like Majoras Mask as much as OOT, this is what they brought on themselves.Also Zelda is in the title
>>336616678
Stop it anon, I already came earlier.
>>336581602
>non-linearity
>a good thing
Excuse me?
>>336601110
>>336582505
Yea and look at the grass below the hooves when Epona lifts them up. The grass stays flattened.
>>336585841
go play FF
>>336600035
>most interesting zelda title in years
>handheld exclusive ;^))
>meanwhile pii U gets shitty HD remake of the most controversial game in the series completely butchering its original graphics in the process
Good job nintendo
>>336587174
I'll only watch some compilation afterwards i think.
>>336587948
If by "empty" you mean it's basically a natural space with forests, animals, humans, villages, enemies, caves etc and NOT areas where you have to solve puzzles to get trough, i'm with you.
Do you guys think there'll be more towns than "obligatory starting village" and "Hyrule castle town" ?
>>336601846
Wasn't WW supposed to have a second half in the sunken Hyrule, but they cut it out or something?
>>336624032
but the games usually do have more towns than that
>>336624108
Skyward Sword is really the only one that didn't, and that was a plot point. Well, and Majora's Mask sort of.
Twilight Princess is the best 3D Zelda game.
>>336581602
>2016
>still getting hyped for videogames
You're just going to get let down again.
>>336624108
I completely forgot about Kakariko existing.
But I mean something like Skyrim (which they said they were aiming for), with lots of cities and small towns dispersed around the map.
