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So I've been wanting to git gud at this game for a while, but every time I pick it up I run into the same problem, and I was wondering if anyone could school me on how to get around it.
>be around level 45 (for example)
>get a new class-badge called the Shadow Rapist or whatever
>Shadow Rapist starts at level 1
>all the random encounters are scaled to around level 45, so if anyone as much as breaths in my Shadow Rapist's direction, he dies instantly
>meaning no experience for him that fight
>can never get around this because the enemy AI is hardwired to prey on the weakest, which will always be my level 1
So then I try to bring a few Shadow Rapists into the random battle to make sure at least one of them survives, but now I am no longer strong enough to beat up the level 45 enemies, so we lose and nothing is gained from the fight!
How the hell am I suppose to get new classes to level up in this game?
I FFT I could at least just go back a few nodes and fight some nice level 3 goblins or something, but putting a level 1 Shadow Rapist among level 45s that will hunt him above all others is borderline impossible.
Am I playing this wrong?
Can't you do the training thing where you make your units fight each other? You can get EXP that way.
>>336567090
Wh-what? That sounds useful but I don't recall such a feature? Is it something that unlocks much later in the game or something?
Is this the missing piece to my puzzle?
>>336566548
Pretty sure you could grind by keeping specific units at low levels and just running parties off of them so that enemies would be at low levels, but it's been so long that I could be totally wrong.
>>336567090
training has been removed in the psp version
>>336567702
I think you might be off on that.
When a class levels up, everyone with that class levels up with it. So unless you keep half-a-dozen (or enough to win a battle) classes at level 1, you can't really do it like this. Not to mention that there are some classes, like the healers, that are pretty mandatory, and will therefor always power ahead leveling wise.
>>336567952
Then how the fuck are you suppose to level up those brand new level 1 jobs? Especially when the enemy AI seems to work like this:
>1. Kill player escort-target, or player-friendly NPC.
>2. Hunt down the lowest level player-controlled character and murder him/her at all fucking costs.
>3. Kill what remains, lowest levels first.
>>336566548
I like to raise a bunch if lv 1 classes at the same time on tynemouth hill (like 3 lv1 rogues and 4 lv 1 ninjas all with bows for example)
don't bother with swordmasters though, they suck ass
It's pretty universally agreed that the leveling system was the worst part of this game OP.
The PSP version runs better.
Looks better.
Plays better.
And feels better.
But holy hell is it worse balanced. The removal of the training feature shows exactly how badly this leveling system is designed.
It's too bad too, because it's otherwise not a bad re-design.
>>336570157
they should've built upon the gameplay from the original and Knight Of Lodis tbqh
>KoL let you see how the enemies were placed in battle so you knew whether to bring your dragoon to battle or not
>the recruitment office let you adjust your recruit's level for a price
it had some good ideas
and A.I. training is a nice way of making grinding feel less tedious, all they needed to do was reduce the NEED for training and the importance of levels
>>336566548
I tried playing this game but the huge amount of units plus being able to rewind turns kinda put me off a bit
>>336571160
How is Knights of Lodis? I enjoyed LUCT and am open for an older title like it if it's on the same quality-level.
>>336566548
you have to change all your classes to lvl 1 and depending on your map the enemies will be between lvl1-28 depending on the battle map.
The easiest way to lvl a new class is to do the battle when you get canopus as a guest and have him a high lvl with a bow while all your other characters are around half his lvl
>>336566548
Use archers and have Denam be a duel wielding ninja. Congratulations, you've won tactics ogre.
>>336566548
Enemies in random battles match the highest level unit you field. Train new units together.It also nets those classes more exp because classes get exp based on number of participants.
>>336571550
it's slower, easier, has a worse story and OST, and you can't avoid random battles, however
>adjusting the level of recruits
>seeing enemy formations before deployment
>acquiring emblems in order to change classes and raise stats
>every class having at least one magic slot so the unit can do more than just attack
>every unit can recruit an enemy, which enemy is easier to recruit is based on your class
>quest mode
>training
honestly, every ogre title is a bit of a mixed bag
I found ogre battle 64 the most enjoyable
>>336572194
easy mode
>archers
>ninjas
>canopus
>any hammer wielding unit
>finishers with damage modified by TP (brimstone hail, tyrant's mace)
>rune fencers with conserve magic and boon of swiftness
>>336566548
>Chapter 1 and 2 is so fucking hard but 3 and 4 is a joke
Why can't they into balancing?
>>336566548
If you have finished the game at least once there is a simple way to farm xp for your new unit
>Take the first Anchor Point in the 4th chapter
>Take only Denam with a bow and the unit you want to level up
>One shot the mage-boss in the first turn
>Repeat as much as you want
If Denam cannot OS the boss bring another Archer with him, remove all the stuff except the bow so they can act faster.
>>336572392
>ogre battle 64My nigga.
>>336571550
I've sunk hundreds if not thousands of hours into KoL due to traveling by car/bus a lot when it came out.
>>336572392 sums it up pretty nicely.
Also, don't level 20 or more times in training mode as you'll get a badge that removes your chance to crit. Since characters gain EXP like FFT, it's honestly easier to just have them use the cheapest healing items on someone way higher-level to get big exp gains
I always forget to ask this question in LUCT related threads, but does an undead unit with a maxed out Attenuate Light skill have a higher chance of evading exorcism?
This game has some of the best character design I've ever seen.
Why are always ninjas op in tactics games?
>>336568257
Play better, keep the level 1 suckers back and kill the enemies with your full level party members before your level 1s get threatened.
If you abuse archers like you should there should not be any danger of enemies getting anywhere near your weaker party members.
>>336575847
Speed. In turn based game ability to move first is always good.
In addition ninjas usually trade defense to offense, which is basically always good trade in tactics games.
>>336575009
Never used straight undead units because of the RT penalty, but can you evade exorcism with the spell evasion skill? If yes, my guess would be use that instead.
That said I've used ghosts before and I've never seen an enemy unit use exorcise when they were down, so I don't know if it's something you'd need to worry about.
Does attenuate light help mitigate undead unit's inherent weakness to light?
>people never discuss good SRPGs
>>336576432
>Does attenuate light help mitigate undead unit's inherent weakness to light?
yeah, it helps
>>336576664
Probably worth it for that alone then
I don't understand where SRPGs went.
Didn't the remake of LUCT sell well enough?
Did that not show that there IS a clear market for these things?
>>336577287
>Didn't the remake of LUCT sell well enough
no it didn't thanks to the ease of pirating in psp
So essentially, no, there is no way around the dumb way leveling works?
It's always sad to see a good game ruined by a single bad design choice.
>>336578490
>85k US, 45k Europe, 270k Japan, 405k worldwide.
For a game that sold half a million copies, you'd think there'd be more demand for a sequel or a new game from the guy.
But instead he went to kickstarter and is currently making some messy 3D affair that looks like absolute shit.
>>336578492
>single
There is also the way crafting works and the impossible to figure out requirements of getting certain characters and endings.
I love TO:LUCT, but it has lots of bullshit in it.
>>336578780
Yeah, it has a few things, I agree, but what I was getting at was more that the leveling is what's going to turn MOST people off the game.
Like, yeah, there are other things, but most people who for example want to try the Beastmaster class aren't going to bother with it at level 30+ into the game.
>>336578640
do not blame matsuno. He is as much as a victim in playdek scam
phil fish's friends use him as bait for the kikestarter and he have no role aside from being $$$ bait and kicked out of the team soon after the kickstarter is over.
>>336579062
I don't know who the fuck to blame, but I'm angry.
The only person on this Earth that we can trust to put out surprisingly good SRPGs, and he now takes it up the ass like a champ?
Be it his fault or not, someone should be angry about it and it might as well be me.
>>336579306
blame playdek and canada then
they are responsible for it and the latter for shitting out assholes like fish and playdek
>>336579849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
>>336567229
It's only on the GBA version.
You can still have your newbies keep whacking your tanks to get some weapon/skill xp, while the the rest are cleaning up the map.
>>336572392
OB64 is my GOAT. Shh don't mention it here, I don't want the younger /v/ crowd finding out about it and ruining it.
>>336579849
>Canada
What why?
>>336580807
>MySwordDoesLiterallyNothing.jpg
Rampart aura remains to this day the most amazing ability a tank could ever wish for in any game ever.
>>336580959
>Heard you was talkin' shit
Baldwin is such a bitch, Richard was way cooler.
>>336581391
It's so unbalanced and just eats up turns. Like, the AI spams that shit so I have literally spent 20+ minutes just chipping away while it didn't try to vary it's strategy at all. I can't help but feel they didn't do any balance work whatsoever on this game.
I wish FFTA was good.
>Pick Law route
>have no idea I can save the qt spear girl character
>people make me feel like an asshole for murdering her
FUUUUCK
GIVE ME MORE OF THOSE CHARACTER DESIGNS
FIRST JRPG (BESIDES FUCKING SOULS AND THE PROFILE SERIES) THAT DOES NOT HAVE FUCKING RETARDED CHARACTERS
GIMMEEEEE
>>336576641
I think my problem with it was that it didn't feel like anything I did had any actual impact.
Every mech was so stupidly tanky, and the repair-mechs that could heal others could do so infinitely, so it became dull real fast.
The story, and the "heartwarming friendship" wasn't as good as they wanted it to be either, honestly.
>>336582754
cons
>meh story
>meh characters
>meh music
>less job variety than FFT
>takes longer to learn abilities compared to FFT
>easy
pros
>can save during battle
>can flee from battles
>can avoid battles on the world map
>better MP system than FFT
>no need to learn how to use items
and I didn't mind the law system tbqh
it's an okay-ish game
>>336583432
>want qt spear girl
>have to murder innocent village to do it
>feel bad about it, but dat ass made me do it.
>>336583584
>less job variety
FFT2 had 52 jobs.
Fifty. Fucking. Two.
from a story perspective, neutral is my favourite route with the lord ending
too bad law gives you the best characters
>>336583654
>FFTA2
Oh, I meant the first advance game
a lot of the jobs overlap between the races
haven't played A2
I'd rather have one race with more jobs
>Denam Pavel
>PAVEL
>P
>A
>V
>E
>L
How in the fuck there is no baneposting in this thread?
>>336584232
I'd rather not ruin a decent thread with memespouting
>>336584232
Why don't you kill yourself you meme loving fuck.
>>336566548
If you can get multiple of the class mark you can level a lot of characters up at the same time.
I always send in 4 swordmasters with Hobyrim to level him up before I take on the Dark Knights because I love the dialogue.
The game was infuriating despite how good it was.
>biggest flaw were custom characters -9 natural in turns, special characters were always faster
>as mentioned leveling system + crafting system
>>336583601
>Pick chaos route
>Spear at died
>Later find out I could've saved her
>Still only did chaos route
>Have to replay the same route to save her
>Don't even know what to do.
>>336583536
I have a few favourites saved up.
Tell me which ones.
You only have 10 minutes before I set off though.
How the fuck am I supposed to level up unique classes for characters? I just got Princess for Cautia but since only she can use it, it's taking got fucking ever to level up. I just gave up and switched her to something else.
>>336585623
get more new classes (patriarch/matriarch, lord, buccaneer, juggernaut, hoplite, familiar, lich, songstress, ranger, divine knight, knight commander) and use them on your new playthrough
that's what I did
>>336586005
I'll have to get enough to fill a party. I'm just finishing Chaos route so I have a fusiler I haven't used at all and Cautia's princess class. I still have to finish the Pirate's quests to get him and I know Vyce can be a ranger so that's 4 right there.
>>336586578
good luck with recruiting azelstan, it was a nightmare for me
you can also recruit a lich during the sidequest if I remember correctly
>>336586901
Thanks dude. I was also working in recruiting Deneb as a Wicce buy that was turning into a huge pain in the ass so I just put that on hold for now. I guess I can try and get her before my second playthrough. Cressida too.
>>336583584
Good list.
so for someone who likes xcom, disgaea and fire emblem will I like that? It looks kinda weird but is it a good game. Can I just go in and learn everything inside (like disgaea) or is there some hidden shit that I need to check a FAQ at?
>>336566548
This game is so much more tolerable on ppsspp with massive skill gain boost cheats enabled.
>>336589095
There's a bunch of party members you can recruit by doing some pretty obscure things, and, like OP complained of, the leveling system is pretty unique.
I advise doing the first run blind, without any guides, and just doing what feels natural. If the shit hits the fan, you can check out a guide or two, but honestly it probably won't.
>>336589095
there's an ingame manual that explains most of the game's mechanics
pressing select will also give you useful descriptions for most things
you'll need a guide to recruit certain unique characters and most of the post game content
>>336568257
Its really not hard to keep level 1 characters away from the enemy. Or just revive them before the battle ends.
>>336589596
What? How do you do that?
>>336589725
You google search the codes to enable it then put it into the damned cheats menu. Its not hard.
You can grind by getting the random encounter shit on certain easy maps. To make things easier you can set it to autobattle after a certain point and they will just clear the map themselves with you just needing to press X occasionally when they do dialogue. You can also bring along one other class who can solo the pathetically easy map, and as long as it's just them and the class you're leveling he'll get a shitload.
>>336589637
>>336589689
well doesnt sound too bad. I give it a trywith my emulator
>>336590462
For me story is honestly the main appeal, it's very similar to Final Fantasy Tactics overall except unlike FFT you can be a pragmatic asshole instead of a huge moralfag thanks to the branching story
Legit has one of the best OSTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isw_tM_P6MM
>>336590462
Like >>336590610 said the story's amazing, but the real draw for me's in the writing.
I swear there are few games written as well as LUCT.
>>336590736
indeed
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I6uKHqiIOJA
>Literally almost all the new content including the ENTIRE coda story is for lawfags only while all chaofag content got given to the lawfags and neutralfags too in the remake
>>336591424
Law master race.
>>336591424
>Ravness, the most anti-lawful character added in the remake dies immediately on chaos route and is only recruitable in lawful where you betray her
I really don't get it
>>336591634
It's entirely because Vyse goes batshit on chaos.I wonder how many people restarted at that scene when they thought they'll get Ravness on the chaos route. I know I did.
Only reason to go chaos.
And she's a law person.
>>336577287
Dunno.
PSP LUCT has some shitty levelling system. really shitty. Why they make it class levelling instead of character levelling?
Never understood Nips. They make something good and then shit at it.
Also one of the best Nips strategy games is Sengoku Rance. Its solid strategy game even it is main hero is raping dick. Mostly because they use the old mechanics from old and forgotten KOEI games.
>>336581391
Rampart aura and Phalanx saved me during the last battle of the CODA when you only use Denam, Vyce and Catiua against all the Black Knight. Lancelot hits fucking hard.
>>336592345
She is LITERALLY the only reason as she is the sole chaos exclusive character unlike lawful which is falling over itself in them
>>336585243
>Spear
You mean Ravness ? If so you have to play the Loyal route to get her.And Ozma too.
>>336585442
GIVE ME THAT RAVNESS PLEASE.
>>336592345
I had to kill like a hundred fresh recruits for her. By then, Denam was OP as fuck since attacking your own men also levels your weapon skill and anatomy. One shotted almost every boss afterwards.
Anyone has female lich official art?
I know it exists, I saw it before, but lost it.
>>336593020
>actually getting through CODA
absolute madman
congratulations, I could never go through something like that
Man, this thread makes me sad. TO series is dead. NEVERMORE. Fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHmpC7tN7VE
>>336593654
Never to return, I fear. Now that the creator has gone and pissed all over his name and reputation, I don't think we'll be seeing much more of him in SPRG-land.
Personally, I'm still hoping an indie developer will catch on that there's a niche no one's filling here.
Personally I prefer the original Psx/Snes version.
The gameplay and system is much more fluid. Also better character builds and no weapon levels.
I wanted to play PSP remake, but it turned out to have Tarot Cards as vital gameplay element.
>>336594000
>vital
not really
>>336593605
It was an absolute pain in the ass when you realize you can't access the last chapter because Vyce wasn't considered alive in the Warren Report and you have to redo everything.
But it was worth it, getting Warren, Lancelot, Iuria and Deneb feels good. They also strong as fuck.
>>336594000
I ignored them mostly. They are item drops that give +1 stats iirc. You can farm them in random battles if you want to be overleveled as fuck.
>>336593887
Whole genre is dead. Sadly.
I just want to have a company of mercenaries, do quests, kill stuff, beat bad people and help good ones.Also option to capture or recruit all of enemy qt.
>>336594260
sadly, SRPGs and turn based games in general are too slow for the average modern gamer
>>336594260
Yeah, me too.
I still hold out hope for a FFTA3, but even that's starting to look a little less hopeful by the day.
It's sad, because I think between FFT's great story and combat, mixed with a little FFTA2's classes, there would be a genuinely good heir to the throne of the genre.
But like you said, we're way too niche to be relevant anymore. Except maybe in (God help us) Fire Emblem.
>>336594231
just seeing the POTD and Heavenly Generals requirements made me faint
seriously, I applaud you for your perseverance
>>336594475
I fear you're correct. SRPGs have always been a very specific niche within RPGs, and the average gamer probably doesn't even know it exists.
I heard there's a Super Robot Taisen game coming out in English for the PS4 though.
Who knows, maybe it'll re-ignite the flame?But probably not though.
I went Chaos the first time because the "Lawful" choice felt so fucked up, and I always regret it because I missed out on all the fucking good characters.
>>336594702
Nah, it ain't gonna' do what you hope. It's a Super Robot WARS game. Meaning it'll be a mashup of robots normies won't have heard of, and won't care enough about. If it was an OG game, or something new it could have worked, but normalfags won't embrace something like this without context.
It's going to bomb into oblivion.
>>336594684
The Heavenly Generals aren't needed for the CODA, you need to have Denam, Vyce, Catiua and one of the two Knight that come with Lancelot alive. You can also skip to the 76th floor of the POTD if you already cleard it once and have the Palace guide so it makes it easier.
>>336594864
Seriously, do the Law route. It better by a large margin than the Chaos route where you just play as a moralfag. The questlines to recruit Ravness and Ozma are really good to and some of the dialogues between Denam and Vyce are fantastics.
>>336594702
I am not a big fan of big robots genre. Unless its Front Mission 3. Also there is English patch for Front Mission 2. I might to get it and play it.
Also any one have eye on some interesting titles?
There is Battle Brothers game which player lead a band of merc and kill stuff. Sadly there is no classes and no story. Just map mission and mindless killing and looting. Its EA but they have combat demo on their site.
>>336595297
Well >>336576641 is pretty solid, but >>336583565 is not wrong. It lacks a little spark, and the game itself isn't a masterpiece in any sense.
Beyond that there is the FFTA games, if you don't mind getting used to some fucking judges that penalize you for things. Which sucks, but it's there.
Atlus did some interesting things with their Devil Survivor series for 3DS if you haven't checked that out yet. It's literally always on sale in the Nintendo store.
>>336595261
I remember playing it first time(on PSX) and refusing to massacre camp and being surprised that I get Chaos alignment when I do right thing.
Then I reload and agree to do it but I never expect that it actually happen and the paths actually split. That was real shock to me.
Seriously. That game.
Also anybody play Brigandine?
>>336595769
>Also anybody play Brigandine?
What is this ?
>>336595261
Thats the other thing that pisses me off.
>elect to slaughter civilians for some propoganda
>your best friend becomes a living saint and paragon of good and righteousness
>elect to try and save them
>your best friend becomes the most pathetic and evil bastard in the entire game
Come the fuck on.
>>336595831
Old game on PSX where you play as a one of the Kingdom and have heroes to lead armies and armies consist from monsters that can level up and evolve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2Tkt8r2oQ
>>336580959
>muh corkscrew sword
also OGB64 GOAT. I remember playing for hours just to get a full unit of flyers....
and fucking angels...
