With all this talk about Warhammer 40k, since the Dawn of War 3 announcement trailer, I really wanted to get into the series and learn more about it.
Where should I start, /v/? Should I play all the Dawn of War series? Should I bother playingW40K: Space Marine?
Also, W40K thread.
Man Space Marine was fucking great. Also I'd stick to going through Dark Crusade or Soul Storm but if you really like the series keep playing more.
>>336496978
Play the dawn of war games first then Space Marine (chronological order) but it really doesn't matter.
Dawn of War 1 was my first intro to the WH40K universe, and it was so good it made me learn more and more about the universe, the lore is fucking huge.
>Where should I start, /v/?
Where it all began. The Horus Heresy.
git readan
>>336496978
Space marine is awesome. Definitely a good entry in the series.
The Dawn of war games are good. If you're used to RTS games start with Dark Crusade since it's an open faction campaign and works well.
If not the original will work since it has some unusual mechanics that can confuse people but it's fairly slow and annoying in the beginning.
Also Winter Assault's campaign is a huge difficulty spike. If you're in for the lore it's okay to pass it. There is no real way to learn about WH40k but this game will make you cry halfwxay through
>>336496978
Yes Space Marine is worth playing if you want to rip and tear orks andheretics
>>336496978
Also if you'd like to get into the lore check out the Lexicanum and /tg/s own 1d4chan for info.
>>336497331
>chronological order
You mean game release chronological order or lore chronological order?
>>336497451
>git readan
I once read a
>>336497491
I don't really care about the game genre, I just really wanted to follow the right order of games lore wise.
>>336497953
lore and release timeline order are the same.
>>336497953
Well, the most important one is about the Emperor himself, then you can piece nearly all things together.
Make sure to get some snacks and beers, this will be a long one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyPjE1Sn-Ts
>>336497953
>please share me a reliable source of information.
lexicanum for shit that you need to know is correct (at correct as it can get on a public wiki), 1d4chan for memes and fun.
there's no real right order for anything, the essential part of wh40k fluff span 10 000 years so there's not too much continuity.
>>336497953
>just really wanted to follow the right order of games lore wise.
The dawn of war games are chronological then. So play release order . For Dark Crusade ,Soulstorm and DoW II inquisition you can choose your race ,but there are canons ending. You can read about them in wikis
You have to think that the WH40K has no real continuance ,except some mythological events like the Horus heresy ,or in local stories like the Blood raven's ,the Dawn of war own original chapter's ,tied to a release order.
So WH40k : Space marine doesn't fit into the Dawn of war series. It's neither before or after. We don't have a timeline to place these along a storyline ,because it doesn't exists. The universe works by the rule "in the grim darkness of the future ,there is only war" ,so whatever happens in the 40k universe is timeless ,in the 40k universe
>>336498384
what the fuck what is this.
is this good?
i'm surprised i've never heard of this
>>336498603
Just watch, faggot.
>>336498713
>being hostile in a wh40k thread
wow dude
>>336498772
>w-what is this? My God Emperor, is this heresy? Is it good?
Just watch.
>>336496978
pirate some codex
they are a good read
>>336498194
Got it, will start with the Dawn of War series and then move to Space Marine.
>>336498384
Sounds really promising, will start watching it now, thanks a lot for the video, I am pretty sure it will be fun as fuck.
>>336498582
Your explanation is amazing and helped clear my mind. I won't look for continuance, will just face the "histories" like isolated events that, in the end, makes part of a bigger picture.
>>336497914
1d4chan is a great way to get a fan-perspective on everything.
the 40k wiki is a great way to get a comprehensive viewpoint
Lexicanum is a great way to work out what the fuck is actually canon from the previous two
Also, never ever please actually spend £500 on GW models, paint and countless hours of time. It's literally never worth it. This is perhaps the only hobby where the people who haven't ever fucking played it have nearly as much cred as the people who have.
Sincerely, crestfallen Dark Eldar player.
What is the population of humans in the 40k universe? There is a mission in Battlefleet Gothic that has a planet destroyed with over 14 billion human casualties.
It kind of sparks my imagination a bit by just thinking there must be Trillions of humans fighting for a corpse that they consider the a god.
Makes me also wonder how many have been touched by the warp.
Praise the dark god's and the forces of Chaos.
>>336498582
But Titus mentions what happened in the Aurelian campaign to the Blood Ravens, so they are somewhat "connected".
>>336499349
iirc 14 bil is standard for a hive world and hive worlds count among thousands?
>>336499349
When the first planning action the Imperium goes for when a planet is under invasion is a fucking Exterminatus on a general basis, you can imagine how expendable the lives of billions of humans really are compared to the total amount of the Imperial population.
>>336499209
>go to Lexicanum
>click recent changes
>learn new shit
definitely one of the good ones
>>336498384
Hype has arrived.
Press F to pay respects
>>336499349
Supposedly mid-high trillions
>>336499349
info from lexicanum:
>Billions of people can live crowded together in a single Hivecity.
>There are approximately 32,380 Hive Worlds
>>336499349
Humanity owns the vast majority of the milky way galaxy and they have technology to terraform so all planets are inhabited, do the math, some worlds have more pop some less but we could say that a good medium is 8 billions (our earth pop) * all the planets in the milky way.
>>336499631
Rest well sleepy marine
>>336499631
Rest well sleepy marine
>>336499631
Man, that scene still gets me, never saw a space marine smile ever, and they smile at the face of death itself, fucking badasses.
>>336499631
REST WELL SLEEPY MARINE
>>336499128
>Your explanation is amazing
T-Thanks
You'll learn along the way. Videogames aren't a huge source of lore ,books are. Imo the Horus heresy books ,that pictures the fall of the emperor of mankind and the rise of the Chaos gods ,are good to read once you get a grasp on the 40k universe ,about the chaos and the Eldars and the Imperium mainly.
Also you can lurk the regular W40k thread ,there is a lot of casual lore discussion and spoilers aren't that important imo since the novels are a lot about personal view depicting a vast and complicated world.
>>336499365
Ah maybe. I haven't paid attention too much during the game since I was so busy playing with the fucking lascanon but I still think my point still stand : a timeline of the WH40k isn't possible nor interesting since most of the stories takes place in a kinda isolated storyline in the general "Warhammer 40k" setting. But I still like those kind of winks to other factions ,makes them less isolated and part of a common culture
>>336500156
the horus heresy books are largely dogshit
>>336499631
Rest well, chain of cancer.
Pick one to serve, he or she will protect you
The others will consider you their sworn enemy
Any good Dark Crusade mods?
>>336496978
Learn that the Big. E. will fuck everyone up once he manages to get unstuck from the throne
>>336500285
Kaldor Draigo.
>>336500156
Will take a look once I finish the video the other anon posted here.
Thanks once again.
>>336500285
Based Ceg obviously.
>>336500220
Yeah they drag on for too long and many of the characters matters fuck all for the W40k universe.
But in a way I still like them. I learned about 40k from games and models the hard way ,learning about the horus heresy kinda seemed like reading about the bible or some really romanced history book ,about an event that would shape us many years laters. I didn't took seriously the Emperor before reading it since it seemed another chaos god : Human edition for me.
So for me ,reading it was as boring as reading history books. It was still dog shit novelling (if that's an english word) but still pleasing.
do you really pronounce it "A STAR TEES"?
i pronounce it more like "AS TARTESS"
>>336500156
>>336498582
40k does have a timeline. Almost all known events have an exact year, both in codexes and novels. If they don't then it can be at least placed somewhat accurately in between major events. It's just that none of it matters. The Imperium can lose a whole sector in one novel and still nothing changes. Countless Ork and Chaos raids and crusades can be destroyed by the Imperium and nothing changes.
>>336499631
Rest well sleepy marine
>>336501170
As tar tehs sounds more like the latin influence of the names so i'd go with that
>>336501228
Ah yeah maybe. I've never thought too much about this because like you said ,none of this matters. The universe is in a perpetual ,non evolving war.Technology doesn't improve and the writers are never bold enough to eradicate a SM chapter that could indeed break the "oh fuck grim shit happens".
And that why I like the setting. It's not bound by the usual consistency rules so people are free to do whatever they like without breaking the setting
>>336501663
That's why I love Abnett and Zhou.
They realized that the Imperial Guard is a fuckhueg organization and both have really unique regiments with unique technology and culture yet they still fit into 40k.
>>336498915
couldn't you have just told me it was nothing special if you already knew the history of mankind?
now i spent 30 minutes listening to this.
>>336502385
gaunt's ghosts is dogshit and doesn't fit into 40k at all.
>>336502480
How so?
>>336502646
Some characters act drastically different. Imagine president Lincoln gassing the jews
>>336502852
>Some characters act drastically different.
Compared to what?
>>336502480
Is it that bad ? I've read some short stories ,it was entertaining but not exceptionally noteworthy
>>336502852
Oh well maybe it's just the writers getting ahead of themselves and being submerged by their own creation. Wouldn't be the first time it happens
>>336503142
Personally it's my favorite 40k series. I've no idea what the other anon meant with "they act drastically different" though. I'm pretty sure all of the characters are OC and thus they can't be act differently to their previous versions which never existed. Maybe he means the fact that Gaunt is not a Commissar who goes around shooting people 24/7 for no reason or that the Blood Pact are more organized than Chaos Cultists are usually portrayed, but both of those things are not lore breaking nor are they unique in the setting.
>>336502646
You read about goreon right?
The armor of contempt is a flawed concept. The thing about chaos is that you CANNOT just wish it away by willing it. Gaunt would have been quietly blammed and when goreon was eventually exterminatus'd, maybe the imperium would remember him during their daily roll call.
15 hours and Gunheads are far superior 40k books
>>336503013
compared to the official stance
>>336499631
Rest well sleepy marine
>>336503801
The Emperor protects. Their faith protected them. And it's not like the Imperium kills every Guardsmen that fights against Chaos.
Stuff like Armaggedon are the exceptions, you can't have civilians and Guardsmen knowing about Grey Knights, which normally just earns them a minor or complete mind wipe, AND Daemon Primarchs.
>>336503736
Dunno. I think I've read one or two but it doesn't ring any serious bell.
But from what I've understood ,it'd be like if Abe lincoln joined the South ,sucessfully created the confederacy and started colonize south east Asia . That'd be a bit weird.
>>336503801
>Official stance
What constitutes an official stance ? Codexes ? Cause they haven't been consistent these years from what I understand
>>336504195
No, their faith doesn't protect them
The emperor doesn't come out of the warp to protect your ass because you just believe. Which is why the sister's have their miracles, and only in rare cases.
The grey knights don't fall to chaos because they go to EXTREME LENGTHS to protect themselves from it, to the extent of being allied to the eldar because they fight chaos as well. Abnett forgets that fundamental fact about chaos when it comes to his band of mary sues. Fucking macharius fell to a nurglite disease. Space marines that are literally brainwashed fall to chaos, and a bunch of plucky guardsmen led by the ruggedly handsome commissar don't fall prey to A FUNDAMENTAL FORCE OF THE UNIVERSE THAT PERVADES STUFF SO THOROUGHLY THAT IT CANNOT BE TRULY DEFEATED.
>>336500220
Lol your opinion is shit and you will be disregarded from now on. Kys
>>336505531
He's right though. Only a handful of them are worth reading.
>>336505531
ah yes, I loved the time when the imperium got advance warning of the nids and totally forgot about it.
>>336505642
is there a reason the ork design is so cartoony compared to the serious design of everything else in the universe?
>>336505239
Gereon wasn't a Chaos world. It was a normal world that recently got taken over by Chaos Cultists. You don't get blammed for fighting Chaos unless the Inquisitor is trigger happy for no reason, you witnessed shit you shouldn't have (again Grey Knights and Daemon Primarchs) or if there is reasonable suspicion that you are corrupted.
Gaunt surviving is not the only example of normal people being left untainted by "minor" Chaos forces. Not to mention the Codexes have stuff like normal Marines invading and defeating actual Daemon Worlds without being tainted.
>The grey knights don't fall to chaos because they go to EXTREME LENGTHS to protect themselves from it
Not my point. It was the civilians and IG on Armaggedon that got executed, not the Grey Knights. IG fighting alongside GK normally get their memories wiped, either just the memories of the conflict or much more or even turned to servitors if they've seen some serious shit. But on Armaggedon they fought alongside GK against Angron, a Daemon Primarch, his World Eaters and a fuckload of Khornate Daemons. There was no way the Imperium was risking any of that information leaking. That's why they were all executed.
Give me DoW1, with tons of eye candy and fixed pathing.
I'm just saying I hope the Adepta Sororitas gets some love in a Warhammer game one day.
>>336506132
That's rather dependent on the writer, mate.
Otherwise, twas the grandfather clause. Orks were over the top by the over the top Rogue Trader standards, and unlike all the other silly shit, people liked them, and they've kept them that way out of sheer traditional.
>>336499631
REST WELL SLEEPY MARINE
When the Orbital bombardment hits that tau orphanage just right
>>336500285
The Man-Emperor of Mankind.
>>336500156
>>336500156
>Have actually read most of these.
Well I'll be damned.
Havent' read a 40k novel in years.
>Imperial knights get in
>no skitarii
>>336496978
I enjoy reading one of the two wikis every now and then.
You may want to visit /tg/ and check the warhammer general for more info.
guys
what is the most resistant, hard to destroy, rock solid non hero infantry sized (more or less, tank sized is ok too) thing in the lore?
>>336506282
It doesn't matter. The entire world was written off, and it would be purged thoroughly or exterminatused when it was done. They had a window of 1 month to kill their target and GTFO.
They stay there for 3 fucking years and none of them get corrupted. They are not genetically enhanced supersoldiers that think like biological computers. They are regular people that literally pray away a force of nature.
You get blammed or get your memories wiped because the memories stay at the back of your mind and attack you at your weakest. Exposure to chaos taints you. That much is fact. The grey knights take every fucking precaution in the book, on top of being super soldiers and trained psykers. Which is why they don't all to chaos. People like the Reverse Arthas with the cursed sword are one of a kind in an imperium where humans are uncountable.
In the midst of that you have a bunch of mary sues poisoning a space marine, sneaking into a planet that is being rapidly corrupted by chaos, staying there for a long period of time, coming back and remaining as white as snow. That is bullshit.
>>336499631
Why is he napping?
He can still surf in death.
>>336506461
Why do you hate the Tau so much?
>>336500285
But Mork is brutal, but cunning
>>336506935
dreadnoughts aren't actually dead
>>336506878
I'd say that the plague marines which serve Nurgle are the most durable of all "infantry" sized units in lore.
>>336506914
>force of nature
>the supernatural outside-of-reality sentient and hostile forces of Chaos
Found the Chaosfag itt, he's a Fucking idiot and can just be ignored.
>40k's Chaos is the settings equivalent of ktulu et al. You fucking moron.
>>336496978
>W40K: Space Marine
if you get really into the world and you get it cheep then sure. the multiplayer was elder god tier, the single player was ok
>>336507351
Chaos is as much a part of the universe as the fucking stars you faggot. You cannot just stop chaos by clapping your hands and praying to the emperor. No matter how pure or pious you are, chaos will eventually get you, especially if you are a random guardsman
>>336507491
I know some groups still play it online but they are few and far between.
>>336506914
So that's why all Cadian regiments never leave Cadia, right? Or why every novel or codex entry about IG retaking Chaos held, non Daemon Worlds, ends with all of the being executed for witnessing Chaos? Or why the Imperium never liberates Imperial planets that were overthrown by Chaos and just Exterminatus' them? Or why only the Grey Knights and Excorcists are allowed to leave after killing Daemons and all other normal Chapters are proclaimed traitors? Or why only highly trained Inquisitors are allowed to fight Chaos while their acolytes are only allowed to fight Xenos?
>>336507013
Because they are lame by 40K standards. Tau is what you get when you get yor Mass Effect on 40lk. They're technically strong and can hold their own, but they are so utter ignorant of the way the galaxy works that is sort of silly to see them treat those world
Nevermind. Don't call the cops.
Okay hol up so if I understand this correctly, Khorne feeds off and becomes more powerful due to war. Nurgle does the same with regard to entropy and stagnation. Slaanesh becomes more powerful if you indulge in excess. And Tzeentch becomes more powerful if you troll people a lot or something.
In what way does the Emperor become more powerful then? You don't worship Khorne to make him more powerful you kill people in his name. So what do you have to do for the Emprah besides worship?
>>336496978
So what are those floating skull-bot things?
>>336507767
The cadians are society that is completely and utterly militarized and are fighting for their lives while trying to survive on atheir shitty planet which is nearly taken over by chaos at this point.
Crusades that are for liberation of entire worlds are a different matter from sending a group of tacticool soldiers who solo demons and kick khorne in the nuts.
Exorcists are literally watched over by the grey knights while they do their rituals because the chance of corruption is present.
Highly trained inquisitors are exceptional individuals who have shown themselves capable of resisting the whims of chaos. And they fall all the fucking time.
>>336500156
You can add The Beast Arises series to that. So far its great.
Does anyone have the 'smug gabriel angelos post X in this thread' meme from the trailer that they can post?
>>336507013
They don't fight in melee!
>>336508174
Yet Cadians are still sent to other wars, not just Cadia.
Not every war in 40k is a Crusade and even if they were, there are countless examples of IG fighting Chaos Cultists or CSM for years and no mention of them being exectued. Also Gaunt didn't "solo demons and kick khorne in the nuts" so fuck right off with that.
You again completely misinterpreted my Excorcist point.
Same for the Inquisitors. Yes some fall, but many more don't. Nor are their acolytes all highly trained and exceptional at that point.
You also conveniently ignored the point that the Imperium liberates planets which were Chaos held, they don't just kill everyone and destroy the surface because it might be tainted.
>>336507013
>>336508070
Well that and they don't even fight in melee.
>>336507650
Yes. You can. The Emporer is a physical god manifested in the dimension humans live in. He single handedly keeps every chaos god locked out of reality.
The Emporer Does protect, you flaming slaaneshi cockgobbler. If the setting was like you say in the crunch every IoM force other than Gay Wardian Knights would have the special rule 'automatically loses Vs. CHAOS' and the setting would have progressed to the Imperium not existing anymore since your retarded headcanon means nothing except 1 tiny non-faction can stand up to it.
Go fuck yourself with a cactus.
ENTROPY in 40k's real universe isn't nurgle. You lying filth. IT and its forces can exploit it just like the other chaos gods can exploit flaws that align with their particular idiom.
If you weren't a chaosfag you'd realise how dumb you sound
>>336508106
Servo-skulls. They're basically the skulls of former Imperium employees outfitted with cybernetics and anti-grav modules. They use them as scribes mostly.
>>336508757
We know your sins Kitten!
>>336508751
The imperium largely secludes the people or outright kills them, not destroying the planet itself.
Cadians are sent everywhere because they are trained to be the most stalwart guardsmen in the galaxy
Gaunt literally says he has killed 6 wirewolves.
6 demons that excel in close combat.
He kills them with his magic sword.
Gaunt is a dogshit character who fits in an anime with his levels of mary sueness.
>watching Warhammer 40k:Space Marine intro
>planet briefing
>titant highlighted
>Strategic Value: Absolute
>recommended course of action?
>mfw first suggestion Exterminatus
This is a joke right? NO WAY someone on high command would be that dense.Right?
Just bought the franchise pack on steam. Guessing I'll start with Dark Crusade from reading this thread.
>>336499631
sleep well sleepy marine
>>336508825
>Yes. You can. The Emporer is a physical god manifested in the dimension humans live in. He single handedly keeps every chaos god locked out of reality.
And yet, the emperor is fragmented and is an uncaring fucking god because he is being torn to shreds by the astronomican.
The emperor doesn't protect. The man to your left protects you. Which is why the inquisition regularly checks up on imperial forces engaged in fighting demonic incursions.
Chaos cultists aren't demons. You faggots seem to forget that. A lot of them gain foothold because the imperium is a fucking bad place to be in, and people sometimes snap.
Reminder that the entire Dawn of War franchise is 75% off on steam.
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/44370/If I had the money I would buy it.
Friendly reminder that Eldar "superiority" amounts little more than being born with negligible psychological strengths that are outclassed by even basic human augmentation, and possessing an intelligence that is used for brooding mysteriously on hilltops and to speak in unnecessarily convoluted prose.
>>336509017
That isn't what a wirewolf is. If you possessed any critical reading skills at all you'd know 'daemon' is a catchall term to the layman that make up the IG. The chaos derps enchant effigies so they can be filled with the warp on trigger commands.
Only an Inquisitor of the Daemonhunters would know the difference. To everyone else its all daemons. Ffs. There are even unintelligent creatures that live in the warp and have nothing to do with chaos. You moron
>>336509416
only human psykers explode into gibs, don't have access to those augments and the eldar regularly manipulate the orcs into crashing imperial planets
>>336509000
Nice trips...
>Star Wars games hoking to death on their own vomit
>40K on the rise
Is the Emperor's hour finally upon us?
>>336509319
all I'm missing is pretty much all retribution dlc
>>336509493
>That isn't what a wirewolf is. If you possessed any critical reading skills at all you'd know 'daemon' is a catchall term to the layman that make up the IG. The chaos derps enchant effigies so they can be filled with the warp on trigger commands.
They literally summon magical energy from the warp to bind the frames, fill them out, fight with inhuman speed, and precision, and suddenly a planet of backward dwelling treehuggers have the martial skill to go toe to toe with them.
The wirewolves are called demons by the man who has killed them and lived in that world for 3 years while killing them.
>>336509416
this desu. eldar a shit
>>336509625
The Emperor protects!
>>336509625
Battlefleet Gothic was dogshit, at least the campaign. Hopefully DoW3 and Deathwing will deliver.
>>336509625
That depends, do you think someone would want to make a television series based on 40k?
>>336500285
>Star Gods
>Actual Gods
Top kek. They're specifically NOT Gods by the definition of 40k term. As in, they don't have a warp presence, they hate the Warp.
Also
>literal Pokemon shards
>hurf durf Gods
Also, Isha is so irrelevant that she's Malal tier. You might as well mention Vaul as he's more mentioned than Isha bar her tears.
>>336509770
Lel. Heresy itt.
BFGA is delicious.
>>336509017
So you're claiming that literally every human who isn't a Space Marine or a highly trained and exception individual, like Rogue Traders and Inquisitors, gets executed or at least secluded somewhere for fighting Chaos Cultists or Chaos Space Marines?
And that literally everyone but Grey Knights and Excorcists is executed if they fight Chaos Daemons?
Wirewolves are not Daemons, they are machines animated by enslaved Daemons withing.
>Gaunt is a dogshit character who fits in an anime with his levels of mary sueness.
And here lies your problem faggot. It's not that Gaunt's Ghosts is a lore breaking series, you're just butthurt about the characters owning Chaos. Fuck you
>>336509214
The Emperor does protect though. We only have the lies of Daemons saying otherwise. There are some examples of the Emperor intervening, like helping that Ultramarine Librarian bitchslap the Hive Mind, he talks to some BA dreadnaught or whatever, he protected the BT Dreadnaught, the light of the Astronomican tears aparts Daemons,... There was even a glimpse into the afterlife in Imperial Glory orpossibly the guardsmen was hallucinating just before death, but that's again just Chaos propaganda
DoWII
YZ44Y-YNHGY-5ZNFO
>>336510040
Delicious like a maggot infested loaf of bread since they're both full of bugs
>>336509770
>says BFG was dogshit
>has hope for MOBA DoW3
Top tier bait.
Here's to hoping that Necrons show up in Dow3 and they're the whacky 5e versions.
I always hated 3e necrons, even when they had just come out their lore and character were just awful.Also I knew a spoiled rich kid who immediately got like a million of em so that kinda contributed to me loathing them.
>>336509541
OI WE WUZ GUNNA DO DAT ENNYWAZE YAH SCRAWNEE LIL POINTEE EAD'D GIT
>>336510140
>a game released by a literal who French developer has a buggy game
Wow. Care to point out non-buggy games, anon? I'm sure Dark Souls 3, by the masters of AAA that is From Software was completely bug free :^)
>>336510040
Explain what's good about it.
The gameplay is shallow as fuck, the maps are tiny, the AI blatantly cheats, and way too many missions are either garbage escorts or data retrieval bullshit.
>>336510260
>a-a-a-all games are buggy!
Do you use this same flawless reasoning to justify Bethesda games?
>enjoy bfg armada
>facebook frog poster tells people it's shit
I can live with that. On the other hand, where's my fucking inquisitor cRPG?
>>336510046
>And here lies your problem faggot. It's not that Gaunt's Ghosts is a lore breaking series, you're just butthurt about the characters owning Chaos. Fuck you
and none of them are psykers. They go toe to toe with literal demons walk away with no scratches, get the girl and their job back. It is dogshit. Gaunt's ghosts throws all the grimdark away and turns it into a generic sci fi opera set in 40k.
The short story where commissar gets censured for holding the line against nurglings is far better. She comes to the conclusion that the horrors of chaos cannot be met with logical thought and that senior officers are sometimes dumb.
She gets blammed because she questions the divine chain of command.
>The Emperor does protect though. We only have the lies of Daemons saying otherwise. There are some examples of the Emperor intervening, like helping that Ultramarine Librarian bitchslap the Hive Mind, he talks to some BA dreadnaught or whatever, he protected the BT Dreadnaught, the light of the Astronomican tears aparts Daemons,... There was even a glimpse into the afterlife in Imperial Glory or possibly the guardsmen was hallucinating just before death, but that's again just Chaos propaganda
The emperor is largely powering the astronomicon. He pretty much says to the inquisitor that he doesn't feel pity for mankind because mankind doesn't need pity or mercy. It needs a hard taskmaster that will see them through the madness of 40k, no matter the cost. That is what the emperor is.
Questionnaire for Eldar fans:
1. Do you like Anime? Yes/No (circle one)
>>336510293
I see.
>whaa whaa I'm a shitter and cannot play the game therefore it sucks!
>>336510380
The Orks are fucking overpowered and you have to literally minmax imperial ships in order to even survive
Imperials are just shitty orks at this point
>>336510656
no.
I like the entire elves in space aesthetic, and the fact that the eldar are not japanese, but rather a pastiche of a shitload of ancient cultures AND 80s hair metal
>>336510507
There isn't one.
Eisenhorn Xenos is a diablolike
>>336510721
how much do they pay you in French pennies to defend such a shitty game?
because you're not earning your pay
>>336510507
It's a fucking travesty that there aren't a lot of cRPGs set in the 40k and Fantasy universes.
>>336510647
Except it's not Daemons and being a psyker doesn't make you less prone to corruption. Arguably it makes it even worse.
Gaunt's Ghosts is in no way lore breaking in that regard.
Him powering the Astronomican doesn't invalidate his other feats. The Emperor does protect.
>>336510830
>>336510880
>no crpg where you play an inquisitor
>get to choose between the puritan or radical path
>the game tracks your action, how much do you hesitate to execute suspects to simulate whether you start falling to chaos
>get to choose your retinue of followers with unique abilities (rogue trader, blank, psyker, savant, etc.)
>different skill trees : psyker, weaponry, cunning & charisma
>open hubs a la deus ex human revolution
>alternate endings depending on how much did you fuck up (no fuck up : chaos den nipped in the bud, slight fuck up : grey knights show up and purge the heresy, maxi fuck up : exterminatus and the death of trillions of innocents)
>writing by Obsidian or Dan Abnett
yay/nay?
>>336511054
>open hubs
i'd honestly prefer a free-roaming game in the vein of fallout 1 & 2
and i'd also like turn-based combat, but i doubt you could sell that these days
>>336510974
Gaunt and his men walk into a planet that is rapidly turning to dust because chaos is fucking it over. There are chaos sigils floating all over the planet that makes people go mad. Cultists are openly summoning demons (The frames are hollowed out stuff. The one mkvenner fights takes on the shape of a fucking knight) and gaunt and his 6 good men and 1 girl turn the entire thing around. It is what an in universe propaganda piece looks like. Gaunt's ghosts are spacewolves level of mary sue with their
>genetic resistance to chaos
bullshit.
>>336511214
I think large open hubs that you can move from one to another a la FNV would be ideal. Free roaming with locations like Fallout 1/2 are more of a theme park design imo.
>>336510795
They're Welsh space ninjas.
>>336511328
sure.
Asuryan is a welsh word for god of fluffy sheep.
>>336511281
Those old raptor jetpacks look so much cooler than the garbage we have now.
>>336511328
With some Egyptian hieroglyphs thrown on and some added Nippon spiritualism in there.
>>336510380
No, anon. But it's par the course, so you going
>it's buggy, therefore shit
Means all games are shit by your impeccable logic.
Thanks for proving my point.
>>336510830
Wrong game, faggot. That's a mobile game. You're thinking of 40k: Martyr.
>>336511281
Is this Space Marine or Eternal Crusade?
>>336511310
>Free roaming with locations like Fallout 1/2 are more of a theme park design imo
I never felt that, but you're entitled to your opinion tbqh.
>>336511528
space marine
>>336511420
what do they look like now? didnt know it changed
>>336510647
>throws all the grimdark out
>pretending nothing bad has ever happened to the T. 1st ever.
Wow. You have to be the most stupidly myopic chaostard going.
>their entire planet of trillions of people gets mantle-crack'd and utterly destroyed.
>their foreigner OiC drags as many away as he can grab and never let them fight. Leaving 3000ish 'survivors'
Apparently 99.9% casualty rate isn't grimdark enough for you.
>the survivors get the super luxurious and obviously huge reward for surviving the death of everyone they ever knew or loved by FIGHTING THE IMPERIUM'S ENEMIES UNTIL THEY DIE ANYWAY
Newsflash everyone! This obvious genius and ruler of the planet earth has decided we are not allowed to consider a fictional setting of ETERNAL WAR grimdark anymore. Apparently normal humans are now required to believe fighting horrible things until they kill you anyway is SUPER HAPPY FUNTIME!
>>336511624
What I mean is that every location has its "point". To find that specific piece of equipment or start that quest. It feels like natural than moving through the streets of an imperial hive and mingling with the population to find roots of Chaos infestation.
>>336511265
Not Daemons
>A wirewolf is a monstrous Chaos machine in the service of Magister Anakwanar Sek's forces. They are powered by a trapped daemonic entity, in the same fashion as a Defiler, but can take a variety of shapes and forms, depending on their makers (ranging from knights in full armour to actual hounds).
It's not only Gaunt, but the entire fucking resistance on the planet.
Anyways it's pointless arguing with you, so refer to >>336510046 for any other retarded argument you might think of, because that will debunk it.
>>336511528
Speaking of Eternal Crusade is it fun?
I don't want to end up getting it to be set up for disappointment.
>>336511420
WE SOAR ON WINGS IF FIRE!
>>336511730
oh sure, lijah cuu was bad.
they have anime tier story start, get lavishedwith top of the line, gaunt goes on jolly funtimes on chaos controlled planets for super sekrit missions, dickpunches chaos and rescues starving kittens. It is a shitty 40k story.
>>336510647
>Gaunt's ghosts throws all the grimdark away and turns it into a generic sci fi opera set in 40k
>Gaunt's Ghosts
>not grimdark
nigga have you read them
besides, the Cain series is miles less grimdark than GG
>>336511642
>>336511739
Well I can see what you mean when you put it like that. I'd like a certain freedom to move around at will, but a completely free-roaming world as in an Elder Scrolls game would be somewhat superfluous.
>>336500285
>No Hive Mind
Shit optionsOutsider dosen't count
>>336511759
the entire resistance, which was on the ropes until gaunt magically appears, makes allies with the natives who don't even speak gothic, kills a fucking space marine in hand to hand combat and comes back as pure as snow.
He is just your average character folks.
>>336512096
you're right that is pretty lame
makes them look like chaos stormboyz, not raptors
>>336512060
cain is an interesting story series because the author knows that the series is dumb and has puts in in jokes. Cain is also far more believable a character than Ibram "I solo chaos space marines in CQB with demon machines" Gaunt.
daily reminder dow3 looks like neo-blizzard fairyland game.
(But we can all pray it'll be better)
>>336511730
>cont.
>the T. 1st have been decimated so many times now less than 1/3 are actual Tanith. The rest are
>Verghastites (who left their dead hive behind)
>Belladon (who've lost 3/4 ths of their regiment and been dumped with barbarisns and hiver scum. And their leader is dead. And they don't even HAVE a regiment anymore. Belladon 88th no longer exists. Gaunt erased their name and now they're just Tanith 1st.)
And that's not even mentioning all the spoileriffic individual characters readers And other characters loved who are deader than dead now.
Also
>Lijah Fething Cuu!
>>336512183
I thought the proper name for the hive mind was the great devourer.
>>336512030
Wow. You have to be trolling now
No one can be this dense or divorced from reality.
>horrible campaigns against overwhelming odds continually
>people dying horribly all around you
>only ever survive via divine intervention or luck
Apparently the T 1st are just gloomy gus's guys! According to this genius surviving horror after horror is FUN!
and battle is, like, totally the best game ever!
>>336512414
is that supposed to be hard hitting?
this is a setting where the lamenters are shat upon so constantly that they end up dying.
This is a setting where a guardsman was erased from existence
This is a setting where an imperial general who was perhaps the best of all time is killed because of nurgle cultists.
>>336512096
Because the OG raptors were hand sculpted, these are computer assisted and over designed.
>>336512859
every fucking guard regiment does that in active duty. They do it without mary sue commanders who can 1v1 literal fallen angels.
Read the gunheads or the expedition to recover the fortress of arrogance.
>>336512184
He never turns things around. Post Gereon the Gereon team are permanently changed by their stay on a chaos held planet and all the guerilla shit they endured.
Also. Gaunt doesn't kill the csm. The csm guts himself trying to get at gaunt. It underestimated him and didn't rate him a threat.
>>336513062
I have. I own both.
You just sound like a salty, buttmad chaosfag
>>336513161
yes, they become super awesome warriors who scare hardened chaos cultists in close combat, don't get a single mutation and come back and are given command immediately, instead of being put into a cage and being studied
BROTHER
MY LEGS ARE OK
>>336512901
You. Dense. Motherfucker.
>oh. G.G isn't grimdark at all because I say so!
>gets proven wrong again and again
>That's not grimdark because it's only as grimdark as the rest of the setting so it is not grimdark at all!
By the Emporer. Just fuckoff and kill yourself chaosfag.
>>336512096
man what happened to the predatory look that represented the Warp changing them into feral hunters rather than normal marines?
These are literally just Chaos Assault Marines without any flair to them. Fucking boring.
>>336513346
>>336513346
nope. Imperial guardsman through and through.
gaunt is just a shitty mary sue
>>336513606
Gaunt literally goes around seducing ladies, being a james bond who is a tactical genius, can fight in CQB with demon machines, gets top of the line nob hardware, has two leaders of a crusade eating out of his hands and leads a regiment of stealthy light infantry that fights in urban combat, armored offensives and everything else.
Arvin larn is a much better character than him. Chelkar is a much better leader than him. Merrick and Castor are much believable characters than him. The best character in those books was ludd, and maybe the pheugth because he is a triple agent.
>>336500156
Eisenhorn is a legit good book. It was my first experience with anything 40k related and I thought it was damn good.
>>336513606
>>336512901
Please continue your discussion, it's pretty interesting to read.
>>336513434
Confirmed for not reading the books ever.
They only escape summary execution because they breakout, take hostages and infiltrate a command leviathan. Using their one-exception rule of stealthiness. And are still arrested. Put in cages. And studied anyway.
The reason they get left alive is because despite the mind reamings and interrogations (torture). The medical examinations (read dissection whilst alive and concious) the high command and big I still couldn't find any taint. And then that resistance bitch feeds the idiots a lie about magic moth paste to stop them from killing them all anyway.
Gaunt doesn't get put back in command of anything. He has his commission stripped from him and gets stuck in remf bumfucksville as a line commissar. Rawne returns to the Belladon 88/1R to find he' effectively 6th down in the CoC. A demotion.
Meanwhile the rest of the team cannot into 'normal' anymore and are ostracised from their former friends by their strangeness
Soulstorm was better than Dark Crusade.
>>336500156
>Helsreach
I'm still mad this is on here. It was fucking terrible.
>orks are dull and flat the whole book
>90% of the main protags time is spent with his whiny and bitchy inner monologue
>stupid 'whacky' ethnic stormtrooper
>The Chaplain is probably the least inspiring character in the book.
It's so boring.
>>336514496
if you really wanted to derail the thread you would have tried harder
>>336511054
Seizure boi can't into acceptable writing anymore
>>336514421
yes, the trial where gaunt literally gets command of another fucking regiment on the front lines while he is under investigation of being a chaos agent
Literally putting him in charge of a fresh new formation when he is just off the boat and Sabbatine tells them about the miracle bullshit.
Rawne just mopes around and becomes an anime swordsman.
Tona just acts like an antsy bitch.
Mkoll becomes ninja-scout-extraordinaire
Gaunt literally takes command the first time he gets to the front AFTER blamming the cook for cannibalism.
Why do Chaos fags are so hated by the community in general? Just because they're the common enemy of all races?
>>336514576
What do you mean?
I thought my statement was so evidently obvious that it does not need any explanation.
>>336514882
Probably because of heldrake spammers.
>>336514160
>Gaunt
>Seducing anyone
do you mean the mother of his child from verghast? The one who he slept with when they thought the hive was going to die and everyone in it anyway?
>surrendering to fear and nihilistic abandon.
>Seduction
I don't think that word means what you think it does and you should stop using it.
Or do you mean on Gereon when he thinks it's Ana creeping into his bed when it's really the resistance bitch and he sleeps with who he thought was Ana because 'we're all going to die anyway on this fucking planet' which incidentally puts the kybosh on him and Ana ever being in a relationship because he 'cheated' on her. Even tho' they're not together and never have been. Curth's a cunt that way.
>Taking comfort in the dark from a comrade you think is going to be as dead as you will be soon.
>Seduction
Isee. According to you then. Rape is actually being seduced.
>since he never wanted to sex resistance bitch and wouldn't have consented had he known.
>>336514882
Not all races the Tau are so fucking naive they are unaware of the forces in the warpthe ethereal might know but we don't have any confirmation.
>>336515302
or maybe everyone from ana to sabbatine the pdf leader.
He is written with practically no fucking flaws. The series has stretched out too long and it shows.
The old and frail doc was cooler. The old priest was cooler. Ludd is a better character than him. Fucking rawne and the traitor are better characters than him.
>>336515543
what I mean is that chicks fall on his lap, he is literally soloing hordes of chaos warriors with his magic sword, leading from the front AND is a tactical genius.
>>336514819
He is given command and reinstated after him and his team uncover the chaos shenanigans going on. And save the entire army from destruction. And fight a rear guard action that let's e even more survive. Whilst wilder offs himself in a heroic last stand just so he gets the last word and saves the T. 1st. It was the generals way of apologising.
>and they still don't trust him. So they let him think that they have bought his 'story' and then immediately use him to find the Gereon resistance so that the big I can 'investigate' them to find the magic moth powder of "Chaos-B-Gone"
>hooray for resistance bitch. She lied hard enough to get the Imperial crusade to 'liberate' her planet.
Why are the IG called Astra Militarum now? IG sounds better.
Of the four primary Chaos Gods, which one is the lessedgyand faggot?
>>336496978
try to count all of the skulls in this picture
>>336515815
>>336515543
>Having sex twice in circumstances that have been shown to not be him seducing everything with a cunt. Over literal decades of service
Chaosfags;
>HE'S TOTALLY A JAMES BOND MAN WHORE PERFECT PURENESS MARY SUE
>>336515981
and until then he browbeats naham into following him, who was specifically put there to make sure he was not doing any funky business.
The series has stretched on for too long and it is showing. All the cool characters are dead, and I can't wait for Dalin and Gaunt jr to go on their adventures in frontline combat.
Lets agree to disagree. I am done with this argument.
>>336516108
Because jews' workshop cannot copyright 'Imperial Guard'
>>336516108
they're still called Imperial Guard some IIRC, the official name is just for copyright.
>>336516284
Hey you heard the guy, he's an IG fag. Don't lump him with us. We're obnoxious not retarded.
>>336516212
Tzeentch probably
>>336516284
>he has everyone from princesses to nurses to resistance leaders falling into his lap
>he punches demon machines so hard they explode
>his heart is so pure that he just becomes angry at chaos instead of being corrupted
>he is also a ninja that has learned the art of generalship
Compare him to Chelkar
>knows that his superiors are fuck ups
>knows he can do nothing about them
>instead makes sure his men are alright
>doesn't lead from the front unless he absolutely needs to
>>336516334
>I've been proven wrong on every single point
"Let's just agree to disagree fammalam huehuehue."
How about you fuckoff of /v/ you moron. You can't disagree with the narrative as written with 'cos I say so'
>>336516493
Yeah GW went nuts with copyrights. Part of the reason they did Age of Sigmar was so they could rename and copyright everything.
>>336516597
Two people does not a man whore make you autist permavirgin.
Your concepts of intimate relations between people's is so laughably infantile.
>>336516612
Yeah sure. Ibram gaunt is just a nice human guy with a heart of gold, wickedly handsome, fights against demons and is as incorruptible as a grey knight.
Maybe the imperium should put the tanith 1st on cadia or use them to recover the omnicicopiea. They certainly are up to the task with their stealthy antics
>>336516801
And him killing demons with a power sword is what?
And space marines?
And surviving chaos un fucking scathed?
That makes me what? spiritually corrupt? a manlet?
>>336516807
>ignoring all the bad stuff that directly contradicts your retardation
"Nuh uh it's totally Mary sue. BECAUSE! THAT'S WHY!"
JESUS. now you're just being puerile.
>>336516670
Didn't they change Fantasy like TOTALLY?
>>336516973
Even in crunch power weapons can and do kill big stuff.
It's why you always hide your IC's in a squad.
It doesn't make you anything but a retard for thinking an IG officer doing stuff IG officers have done b4 in fluff and crunch 'Mary Sue'.
>>336517026
He never has to deal with PTSD, he never gets injured except the one time he does and his superior feels so bad for him that they give him top of the line bionics and skin grafts.
In other fantasy universes, gaunt would fit just fine. In 40k he stands out like a sore fucking thumb.
>DOW 1 & 2 -75% sale today
>mistakenly purchase Master bundle for DoW2
>tfw GRAND MASTER BUNDLE for DOW 2
>refund master bundle
Dammit Steam, hurry up with my shitty refund so I can jew harder.
>>336508519
>>336508757
>They don't fight in melee!
That's what the lesser races are for.
>>336517256
>in crunch
well good thing we aren't talking about the crunch then, we are talking about the fluff where space marines can outrun sonic, they don't need to sleep, have night vision, flush out poison automatically from their bodies and gain the memories of their enemies by eating their brains.
Auric was at beta level psyker. Gaunt is an average human who goes toe to toe with a space marine and wins.
>>336517298
That's only the time he was most seriously wounded in the ghosts. He was taken and being tortured by the blood pact. For days.
Also the books mention he is covered in scars from old wounds. The worst being the one he got from Dercius.
So you really are a fuckwit.
Dawn of war = base building
Dawn of war 2 = rpg elements
Pick one
>>336517493
Gaunt is a normal human yes.
Who has had direct personal contact with a living imperial saint. His personal saint that has inspired his entire life so far. Whom takes a direct interest in his continual survival and wellbeing. After all Gaunt gave her Brin.
>>336509319
got that pack for 10$ a few years ago
>>336517524
Forgot to mention. The only reason he gets that special treatment is because general fuck face told the ghosts he was deader than dead and forbade them from trying to find him.
>he needed the ghosts holding that flank long enough for him to pivot his army to bear on the advance to avoid being rolled up through the flank.
It was his way of apologising for leaving gaunt and his regiment to twist in the wind.
>>336517720
Having contact with a living saint doesn't make you go toe to toe with CSM or becoming immune to chaos. Grey knights -aka faction never corrupted- go to autistic levels of purification to do that, even when they are superhuman soldiers that are trained to resist chaos completely, to the level that their memories are completely wiped.
>>336517524
instead he is given nice bed rest, mopes around having dream about his daddy issues, gets top of the line custom hardware and extensive skin grafts.
He is treated as a special snowflake by his immediate officer who feels bad for him because he does his job.
>>336518051
And Sisters of Battle who also have an extremely low to zero rate of Chaos Corruption despite being otherwise human?
>>336517967
Remember what the entire campaign about the fortress of arrogance was?
Why the second in command thinks it is a dogshit idea to recover a fucking baneblade by launching a crusade? Who flips out because his commander wants to do it because he is barren.
That is what the core of 40k is about. Guardsmen see bad shit happening, know it is pointless, but they do it anyway. They don't need to be mollycoddled by their superiors.
>>336518257
because they are raised from birth to be fanatically loyal to the emperor to the extent that they are less like qt nuns, and more like ISIS footsoldiers.
>>336518257
You know the expression, " Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."
Well the moment one entity of Chaos even looks at a Sister funny, they would get a Bolter shoved up their ass so quick Slaanesh would shit his pants.
>>336496978
Someone have the image that counts all the skulls in this image? I think there's more than 117 there
>>336518051
Faith Is (his) Shield!
His immediate officer?
General fuck face is several rungs higher than that. Dumbass. And he likes and feels sorry for gaunt because he and his regiment keep going above and beyond all reasonable limits of 'duty' and general knows gaunts' ghosts have saved his entire army's ass. Multiple times now. He likes having someone around who has something he lost. Gaunts biggest flaw and the reason he'll never be leading crusade armies is that he cares too much. The callousness of the crusade upper echelons disturbs him.
>>336518479
Yes. Half the time that is exactly what gaunt thinks. Because most of the time his regiment gets given the most crapasstastic jobs to do since they keep surviving crapasstastic jobs by the skin of their teeth.
>>336518479
>>336518519
Yes it's just faith and a hate for Chaos. There's no reason for Gaunt who has met an Imperial Saint to have a faith in the Emperor that rivals a Sister.
>>336518479
And Don't forget gaunt is from slaydo's days so macaroths BS shits him off. And macaroth cronies have tried to wipe his regiment out b4.
>>336518761
Guardsmen regiments go above and beyond the call of duty all the time. Their survivors get merged into other regiments, maybe given a promotion. That's it. Gaunt's ghosts are literally sent away from the crusade and given time to regroup and refit completely.
>>336518761
>Faith is (his) shield
and yet, people better than him go through an impossible number of rituals to remain pure. He does it because he believes hard enough.
When does he become an imperial saint then?
>>336518951
so, just like the savlar chem dogs? Or the Mordians in Khosarro san's fight against the orks?
Or all around cadia?
Or the entire fucking crusade to the halo stars?
>>336499631
REST WELL SLEEPY SPACE MARINE
And may cherinum sing thee to thy rest, Battle Brother. F
>>336519048
Yes. There is. Both SoB and commissars are trained at the same place dick cheese.
They all come out of Schola Progenii.
>ignoring fluff that proves you wrong so your headcanon stays 'valid'
Fucking die already.
>>336519241
The schola vary from place to place. They train everything from stormtroopers to adeptus arbites you mong. That doesn't stop inquisitors from falling to chaos or being seduced by xenotech.
Reminder that there are people lurking in this thread RIGHT NOW who play as chaos in DoW.
>>336519241
The Schola progenium is just a really intense boarding school for the orphans of Imperial soldiers. Its not that special. There are still shitty commisars in the Galaxy.
>>336519189
His Regiment had yet to be given any RnR at all. That was the first time they were rotated out of the crusade front.
Who's to say he isn't? Remember the return to balhaut and they find the statue at the spot the guide says gaunt 'Died' at?
>>336519462
>posts a heretek
>>336519589
>Implying
>>336499631
REST WELL SLEEPY MARINE
>>336519394
No. They don't. All Schola Progenii produce all the various kinds. People who wash out of different stages of training get siphoned off into different specialisations. People who fail commisariat training to motivate and inspire get switched to Inq Stormtroopers. Since they are still useful for fighting.
>>336519549
he is just a popular hero of the war who led the defence of the hive.
But given how abnett is building him, I can't wait to see him become a fucking saint and shoot holy fire out of his ass.
Guardsmen regiments are nearly never given any R&R, especially not if the commander feels bad for them. They get thrown into the meatgrinder until the survivors are too useless to be an effective combat unit, and then put into other regiments.
This keeps on happening until the crusade ends and they get to settle down on the last planet they were on.
Case in point, Arvin Larn's grandfather. He either lucks out, has the kindest bro, OR kills the lucky man who won the lottery.
rest well sleepy marine
>>336519819
either way, the schola is too big and diverse an organization to pump out soldiers who are fanatically loyal to the imperium in a way that makes the ecclisiarchy happy.
The Redemption corps would get Gaunt's proper knickers in a twist, and they get shit done.
>>336516108
Technically they've always been called astra militarum just like spess merens have always been called astartes.
>>336520019
>Redemption corp perturbing gaunt.
If that were true gaunt would have summarily executed half the ghosts by now.
>>336519462
But Eliphas' caramel smooth voice tempts me to heresy
>>336520179
yeah.
right.
Literally worshipping their CO for being an aspect of the emperor. Gaunt's scholam training would throw a bitchfit.
Plus
nid infested orks > random chaos mooks any day.
>>336500285
Sly Marbo is also on this image, but he is hiddenin plain sight..
>>336520220
>But Eliphas' caramel smooth voice tempts me to heresy
>>336509000
I am not a xenos lover...
I am not a xenos lover...
I am not a xenos lover...
I am not a xenos lover...
I am not a xenos lover...
>>336508103
You make The Emperor more powerful by feeding him a minimum of ten-thousand psykers a day.
Also praying might help, it's not certain.
>>336520695
It's even how Shadowsun actually looks like she fugly as hell.
>>336520695
Accept the Greater Good Gue'Vasa
Better guns, armour and non suicidal tactics await you and your battle brothers
>>336520907
the feeding is done so that the astronomicon works
