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memes aside starfox zero is a good game
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>>336370436
certainly not true in the age of patches and downloadable content
>>336370669
Calling starfox zero good is a meme.
You'd have to be an idiot to not understand why it's bad and inferior to 64.
Shiggy ought to just retire, he doesn't care anymore.
>>336370726
nice opinion
THE ORDER 1886
>>336370726
I have no problem with admitting it's inferior to SF64 in several ways, but that doesn't actually make it bad altogether.
>>336370726
Nobody said it was better than 64, lmao
>>336370436
>Eventually
He is right
>>336370726
Opinions aren't memes you fucking retard.
>>336370992
this. it just not delayed long enough, so it's rushed
>>336370719
You can't completely overhaul a bad core game into being something suddenly playable. People just don't like to admit when a game they didn't like becomes good through patches and DLC that it wasn't that bad in the first place.
>>336370436
Damn, Mighty no.9 is gonna be incredible!
Nintendo is dead
>>336371194
and the last guardian!
>>336371165
Nonsense, look at THPS5. The game shipped with just the tutorial and the rest was included in a patch. The game still sucked, but there's no reason why they couldn't have made it good.
>>336370669
Good one.
Motion controls aside its still very subpar and not fun to play. It has little replay value because only a few levels are worth replaying the rest last a minute or are shitty non-arwing segments or all range mode everything
>>336371194
As incredible as Duke Nukem forever.
>>336371770
Felix plz
>>336370436
Why do people here find it necessary to let everyone know they have no idea what that quote is even saying?
>Durr he must be saying delayed games are good no matter what.
>>336371963
Because nu/v/ is a thing anon, hating nintendo is this board's favourite sport
>>336370719
This, although having the mindset to have a good game at launch is a good thing to have
>>336370992
Can you repeat that again? I can't hear you with that Nintendo dick so far in your throat
>>336372257
>WAAAAAH IM BEING OPPRESSED
tumblr is that way xir
>>336370669
>pad motion controls for aiming
Yeah no
>>336372257
>S-s-stop insulting Nintendo!!
Off yourself.
>>336370726
It's fun as fuck, and I love every classic SF game. People complaining that they can't adapt to the controls are retarded - it's just obnoxious that the classic controller isn't an inherent option with classic controls (camera and shit adjusted for this in game)
The gyrocopter levels aren't even bad lol, you can do them fast as fuck in the arwing later anyway
I would say my biggest issue is that there simply aren't more classic style courses.
>>336370436LOL
This is going on my epic anti-nintendo collage that i'm making!
>>336373186
I hope you're happy, you ruined my fries with all that salt you just spilled
>>336373028
how can he say this yet force only one control scheme?
Miyamoto made a game for people who can handle unconventional controls, not for the twin stick shooter + aim asist generation.
>>336370669
It really is. The best in the series so far.
>>336373727
how can Dark Souls force only one control scheme? I hate attacking with R1 and R2.
>>336370436
I cant stand this cunt. He's a complete senile old fuck. Fuck off Miyamoto. Fuck off.
>>336370436
His quote is still correct. Just because Kimishima forced him to release Zero in a rushed state doesn't mean his quote is any less correct.
>>336374824
What does dark souls have to do with a Nintendo developer and his quotes?
>>336373734
people can't just gitgud nowadays
>>336370726
"Calling starfox zero good is a meme" is a meme
>>336373734
Unconventional controls =/= intuitive controls.
Unconventional controls =/= fun controls.
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat used fucking bongos to control, and while it was a mechanically sound game only the most diehard Nintendo defenders would admit to rather using them over traditional controls.Ironically, Jungle Beat has a higher Metacritic than SFZ, so the problem with Zero obviously isn't just that people need to "git gud" with the controls.
>>336375119
adding multiple control schemes is more difficult than you think it is. how would you be able to shoot at the bosses in SFZ if the gyro were turned off? you'd get absolutely wrecked if you tried shooting them while flying directly towards them.
making the player the "director" of the game doesn't mean adding literally broken control schemes and forcing the player to figure out which one works best.
>>336375074
Still doesn't excuse the forced gimmicks and lackluster final boss.
>>336370726
>muh 64
EVERY FUCKING GAME
Literally the Melee fans of Star Fox. Claim they like Star Fox but really its just "muh precious 64".
>>336376094
>forced gimmicks
which gimmicks?
gimmicks are things that didn't need to be there and the game could've just as easily been done without. You can not make this argument for Star Fox Zero. Certain parts of the game were clearly made with the gyro controls in mind, and simply wouldn't be playable with the more limited SF64 aiming controls.
>>336376309
That's straight up fucking wrong, some of us are Yuropoors and love Lylat Wars instead
>>336370726
Actually, calling starfox zero bad is a meme
>>336376309
At least he's not an assaultfag
Playing thru SF64 made me realize how much of a fucking trashcan experience Zero is.
I don't know how you can do a reboot 20 years later and completely miss the point and appeal of the series
>>336370436
Star Fox 9/10
Star Fox 2 8/10
Star Fox 64 8.5/10
Star Fox Adventures 3/10
Star Fox Assault 6.5/10 (8/10 multiplayer)
Star Fox Command 5/10
Star Fox Zero 7/10
This is truth and you know it.
Didn't play 3ds Star Fox.
This new Star Fox was good for returning to the original formula, but it needs more to be considered up with the greats.
>>336376958
But Assault is good.
Star Fox 2, 64, Adventures, Assault, and Zero are all good games.
Starfox Assault was the last good Starfox game ever released
>We won't do DLC, we ship finished games
I think you guys should stop insulting Nintendo.
These niggas literally made who I am today
>>336376309
>>336376958
Everything in Assault was good except for the on foot sections. Game could probably be a little faster but other than that it was fine. The dialogue sections also dragged on a bit, but voiced dialogue was the big thing when this game came out, so it's a product of its time. With those flaws it's still miles better than Zero.
>Muh 64
You didn't play the game when it came out. As a 5 year old kid I played the fuck out of that game nonstop. 19 years later I can load it up and still really enjoy myself playing it. It's a perfect pick up and play experience. Somehow Nintendo doesn't realize what made 64 popular wasn't the rumble pack gimmick that they were trying to force at the time, it was the tight controls, quirky characters and setting.
>>336370669
No it's not its a fucking mediocre on rails shooter from 2002. Terrible game. Boring. The only people who have bought it are the nostalgic nintenbabies.
>>336377261
>adventures
>good
It was a terrible game even witihout the Star Fox paint coat
>Boring Puzzles
>More tedium than a Zelda game
>The WORST dialogue/voice acting in a game
>Krystal
>Only Fox
>Love bullshit
>Falco only at the end
The only redeeming thing about the game were the visuals but everything else put it down.
Its trash that is considered good because people played it first somehow
>>336377372
>Umaru has a hamster
Deepest Lore
>>336377372
This.
Anyone that still defends them is just banking on nostalgia, or they fell for the WiiU meme.
Just like this faggot >>336377397
>>336370669
lol
>>336377679
>worst dialogue/voice acting in a game
No its not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJFwIXM4Cwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtC1SzWSXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVyOCssIXgQ
>Krystal
Her existing is not inherently bad.
>Only Fox
This is also not inherently bad. Just disappointing.
>Love bullshit
Nothing inherently wrong with this either
>Falco only at the end
Once again, disappointing, but not inherently bad. Would've been better off if he never showed up at all or just had as much relevance as Slippy and Peppy in the game.
I didn't mind the tedium of the puzzles but I have no rebuttal there. Its a legitimate complaint.
>>336370436
>>336373028
He makes better quotes than video games these days. He's like the video game equivalent of Coppola.
>>336370669
You mean a great game.
>>336377181
3ds starfox is just starfox 64, don't worry about it.
>>336377261
>adventures
give me 50 scarabs and I'll believe you
>>336377181
Adventures was good, but it was more of a spinoff.
>>336370436
Hold this, Miyazaki.
>>336370436
>1/3rd of this thread is samefagging
I'm gonna go ahead and say most of the anons ITT haven't even played SFZ
>>336378138
Nice arguements. You can't deny that Krystal is a horrible character that was not only boring and looked retarded designwise, but also basically turned Fox into needless character tropes. You can't deny that the voice acting is horrible, you can't deny that the puzzles were tedious, and you can't deny that the combat was boring as fuck.
So what makes it fucking good? The fact that you played it when you were a kid? I remember actually being excited for it after having played the SNES and 64 games and not caring that it was not in space, and still was let the fuck down with how horrible of a game it was.
>>336370669
See, class, here you will see the average, tasteless Nintendo shitbird.
>>336370436
It's not "rushed" or "bad"
It's "flawed." A "flawed" game is bad forever.
>>336370810
i still don't understand this fucking pic
do they mean dabbin as in that way of smoking marijuana? or what
>>336378138
Where's DW3?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8mq0MXd3zQ
>>336372840
Fun means fuck all as a compliment or recommendation.
It's fucking shit.
>>336378718
It's a dance move popularized by urban kids and modern music videos.
>>336370992
>GladiumTonitrua
Why do you do this, Thundershit? Your opinions are always wrong. Kill yourself.
>>336377181
I'd give zero a 6 and Assault the same score as command. Maybe knock command down a point to be under it.
And I wouldn't rate assault's multiplayer. That's a nostalgia based meme and battlefront existed.
>>336378673
Are you one of the samefags defending Nintendo?
>people actually think Zero is good
I don't know if I should be surprised or disgusted.
>>336378010
everyone makes dlc
>>336370436
I don't get why people defend the controls.
Yes you can git gud and learn the shitty controls and make the game fun after frustration. But in the end, its actually a placeholder for actual challenging gameplay, which this game completely fails to achieve.
Star Fox SNES was better in every aspect than this game. It had a learning curve, decent enough controls to give the player an understanding after a couple rounds, and still brought the real challenge in the second and third levels.
>>336370436
>3 hour game for full price
JUST
>>336378909
>Nostalgia based meme
Nigger I played SNES Star Fox when it came out.
It was fun with friends and you know it.
Don't nostalgia me. Without the Multiplayer, Assault is a solid 4/10 at best.
>>336377606
It's not even on rails most of the time, which is trash.
>>336376309
ZERO IS A FUCKING RE-IMAGINING OF 64, ASSHOLE.
OF COURSE I'D COMPARE IT.
>>336379031
what game are you even talking about? none of this applies to SFZ at all
>>336379051
didn't it come with 2 games
>>336379027
ITS OK IF NINTENDO DOES IT
>>336378821
oh..
okay
at least it makes sense now
>>336379260
its okay when everyone does it because EVERYONE DOES IT
>>336379258
It came with one shitty tower defense game.
>>336379153
Oh then you're just a moron. The multiplayer is worthless compared to anything else people were playing together at the time.
I'm sorry you wasted time playing that crap with your friends tho. :(
>>336377397
A huge faggot?
If you don't like Star Fox you don't like Nintendo either!!
>>336378681
Oh no, don't get me wrong. Krystal is not a good character. I'm just saying that her existing isn't inherently bad. She herself isn't a flaw. The flaw is that the game has poor writing, which is WHY she's a poor character.
I'd disagree with the trope thing though; first and foremost, Fox is still a leader who focuses on his mission first. Anything else is secondary.
>what makes it goodI don't know. I enjoyed it, but the actual reality is is that I can't find any redeeming qualities beyond graphics and the general weightiness of the game. I like Zelda games and anything that plays remotely like Zelda, so I can't hate it.
I will say that while the combat was extremely easy and simple, I did like the variety the game overed and general exploration. There was a lot of variety in the areas available and because the combat was so easy the simplicity of it didn't make it overly tedious. Mixed in with the occasional need to use magic and external weapons like canons you can find in certain spots, and it helped stay a little varied and keep from getting too boring and repetitive. In my opinion.
Note that I didn't play this game all that long ago; It wasn't so much as a kid as it was about 3 years ago that I played Adventures.
>>336378989
People just won't admit they wasted 50/60 dollars on this
>>336379490
>He didn't play all sorts of games with his friends
You didn't really have them did you?
Talking to your waifu pillow doesn't count either.
>>336379354
>Many companies make DLC after releasing their games, which include hours and hours of content.
>Besides Smash and Mario Kart, all Nintendo does is lock on disc content behind physical overpriced "DLC" in the form of Amiibos
No one does that bullshit but Nintendo, Activision, and EA. See a resemblance?
>>336380440
>all Nintendo does is lock on disc content behind physical overpriced "DLC" in the form of Amiibos
such as?
>playing shitty children's games
Can you really not find anything better to do?
>>336370436
Why exactly is it bad? The only Star Fox game I've played is 64.
>>336380569
Let's see
Mario Tennis
Smash
Amiibo Shit Festival
Both Mario Party Games
Twilight Princess
Pokken
Star Fox Zero
Captain Toad
I'm sure there are more. I think Nintendo even has a chart of it.
>>336381060
but what do they give you in those games?
>>336381060
>Smash
It didn't lock shit though.
>>336381227
>Figure Fighters
>>336380832
I don't find it as a bad game, just star fox 64 with like tow new features and better graphics...
The control I guess can be complained about since you have to use gyro controls, but it's not so bad
>>336378839
Is that really Blundersword? If so then it's funny because he is a confirmed horsefucker
>>336370719
>certainly not true in the age of patches and downloadable content
Yeah you're right. They now ship broken and then eventually become bad.
Did you ever consider that maybe the games aren't any worse than before, but it's just that you aren't 12 years old anymore?
>>336381278
what are cpu fighters
So has anybody gotten the co-op to work in Zero? How do you do it?
Technically he's right though
It was absolutely trash back at E3 and didn't have branching paths
It's a lot better than it was before the delay
Also the game is the fucking you gyro hating fuckboi
>>336381570
>what is a feature locked behind amiibo that could have been included in the game easily without them
>>336381647
If the game was the fucking it's name would be your mom and everyone would be playing it
Oh boy more people pretending tne controls are bad
How original
>>336381603
One person drives the arwing while the other uses the gyro aiming
It's actually pretty fun
>>336381150
http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/compatibility
Generally speaking, levels, and different playstyles more than cosmetic stuff. Most of them come out at launch too and are included on disc.
>>336375074
>source my ass
yeah no fuck you its a cash in rehash
>>336370436
Starfox wouldn't have been any better rushed
As it is, it's okay. Maybe a 6, 7.
>>336381908
I like the controls but the game is shit
>>336381558
No, because I still play games from the past for the first time because I'm not some shitty memeing kid who only buys what the magazines tell him to
>>336379031
The thing about motion controls is that everyone's body is different so its completely reasonable if different people have different results and a different comfort level with them. Some aren't going to feel comfortable moving their wrists around and others will feel like its completely natural. Its the inherent challenge with motion controls compared to traditional controls where you only have to worry about the size of people's hands. Every good motion control scheme will always have mixed opinions because you can't make them accurate enough to compete with traditional controls quality wise without turning some people off. Starfox Zero is straight up an example of good motion controls though. They are well thought out with things like how you are able to re-center at any time so you don't have to worry about changing how you're seated or comfort, with how despite adding a completely new aspect of the game to control in your aiming you can still keep your hands in a comfortable position while having access to all your moves at the same time: there's no doing the claw to boost in this game and the controls are always accurate.
The challenge in starfox is of course that its a score attack game. If you aren't dying all the time that doesn't mean your at the skill ceiling yet so long as you can push more points out of the level.
>Star Shills think the game having regular controls excuses the lack of alternate paths, shitty music, shitty levels and rehash of 64
can't wait for the reboot of Zero to defeat Andross on Venom again with even less levels and variety along the way
based nintendo
>>336382267
I like the game but the controls are shit
My "review" of Memetendo
posting in a children's thread
he buys expensive Fischer-Price toys
Iwata
a failed businessman, the trick code monkey fraud of the group. knows two tricks: forced laughter and dying. Brava Iwata, brava!
Reggie
a failed viral marketer with an ugly wife and children with terrible names ('myson fils-amie?'). he knows he's the least popular employee and desperately tries to fit in by making Reddit-tier jokes
Miyamoto
an over-the-hill "developer" weighed down by his talentless cronies. only makes simplistic video games because they're immune to criticism. his latest production 'The Nintendo NX' will expose him as a fraud and be a spiritual and economic disaster. He will eventually go the route of gunpei yokoi , shrivel up and die at the ripe age of 80
Bill
the curdling definition of a parasite. ditters away on social media on while the men do all the hard work. got caught buying jewelry with actual devlopment budget money.
Sakurai
the only dev showing any self-improvement or growth. still has a long way to go, but has already outgrown Nintendo.
I like how Memetendo is a company founded upon innovation, insulting and berating others and their works, but HEAVEN FORBID that anyone criticize them! They'll even ban you from miiverse if they catch a whiff of dissatisfaction. It's amazing how creatively lazy the company has become. They were better when they were a starving group. Now they can sit on their fat asses, put on puppet shows and make bad facebook memes while you throw money at the screen. Amazing.
>>336381060
The thing about some of those is that rather than locked content its auto unlocks of things you can get in the game normally if you beat enough of it which is something that other companies also do.
>>336382508
So you'd agree what they should have done is add two control modes. One for gyroscope, and another for the traditional controls. Right?
I'm fine with the gyroscope controls as long as they up the challenge in the later levels and add the optional control method for those who expected traditional controls, hell I probably would have still played around with them because its a bit immersing, but not having traditional controls really did damage to the game overall.
>>336382950
the key word is "some of those".
In a lot of them they straight up cut content, which is inexcusable by any non shit standards.
>>336381982
Yeah that sounds awesome. Like a star fox double dash kinda thing. How do you activate it though?
>>336378774
says the guy with a mac
>>336377181
Starfox snes is the best one. My nigga
>>336383290
Back out of the level, select it again and press X when the screen says "Press X for co-op"
It's much better than single player
>>336383031
I'm not sure that its an option in this game to add two control schemes since the second screen aiming is essential in making some of the boss fights enjoyable. It would be a huge pain to fight the all range mode bosses if you couldn't aim at them while dodging. If they would have had to change some of the things that make the game interesting and fresh like that to accommodate them it wouldn't be the right decision. I'm more of the school of thought that games should go for a focused design rather than trying to please everyone, its just that in this case since rail shooters and spaceship games aren't made often enough it must be frustrating for other fans of the genera that there are so few new games being released that there's nothing traditional to be played.
>>336370436
Its not bad its just not 10/10 GOTY
>>336379205
Do you compare 64 to SNES?
Because 64 is a re-imagining of that.
>>336377574
>Everything in Assault was good except for 70% of the gameplay
Wew lad
What has Miyamoto even done that was that bad? Most of his faults lie in trying to mentor developers on how to make a game good, giving them some advice, and then not properly directing them. That's how we end up going from "you should try something a little more original" to "we threw out the entire battle system lol"
If he were more diligent in making sure they understood what he said, everything would be better, but it's not necessarily his fault. It's more like a father teaching his child how to bike, but not going the full mile to teach them all the important facets of riding, like how to not fuck yourself up when you fall.
>>336378774
Bruh, I think your problem is that you tried to insert it into the PS4. It's a Wii U game, you need a Wii U to play it.
>>336373028
This just sounds like a coherent amalgamation of buzzwords.
>>336385714
Only if you have no critical thinking skills. What he's saying is that a game is more impactful if you feel involved. Just look at Paper Mario and TTYD. The story isn't anything special, but the experience, dialogue, and presentation make it special.
This whole debacle made me realize the StarFox fanbase is fucking cancer
>>336377372
They do ship finished games.
Why do you think DLC is automatically cut portions of game development when MK8 packs or Smash DLC literally released months, even years after the game shipped?
This isn't even a Nintendo defense thing, companies like Rock Star or Harmonix do this too and they do it incredibly well. Get over DLC faggot.
>>336381845
So CPU fighters
>>336370669
At its core it's a good game. There's just not enough of it.
I want to see Miyamotos original vision of a budget 3 hour linear experience that rewards the player getting good and focuses on an arcade like delivery. Shame that he delivered this phoned in crap.
>>336382932
>seriously repurposing a /tv/ pasta on RLM
worst board, easily
>>336385917
This. DLC isn't bad inherently. Before Smash 4 DLC, a lot of people wanted DLC to get some of their favorite characters in.
It's only bad when they, say, cut out characters and then create DLC for it, or cut out stages, or so on.
>>336385904
>A game with furry characters has a cancerous fanbase
No shit
>>336370436
All other things equal, of course.
>>336370810
No, he cares, but he cares about toddler bullshit. Which is why he's being reassigned.
>>336371963
Yeah. He's saying
>Only bad games are delayed. Bad games are bad forever.
Has a delayed nintendo game ever eventually been good?
But he's right. The more time you spend on a project, the more time you have to improve it
>>336386231
The majority of Zelda games, but go ahead and be contrarian about that and tell us that OoT is shit.
>>336381995
>Levels
Only Splatoon did this and they were the same levels in the campaign played with a different weapon.
The vast majority of what they unlock is cosmetic. Not even comparable to the huge season passes that lock out hours of actual content on top of the same paid cosmetics. Season passes don't even include all the DLC available and are 95% of the time planned when the game itself is, long before release.
MK and Mario Maker have skins, Splatoon has costumes and it's stage replays, Smash has AI fighters that don't function any different than a regular CPU, you can just save your custom build to the amiibo, etc. and in a lot of games like AC: HHD, Pokken or Mario Maker they just unlock things early and you can still get them through regular play.
I don't buy them but what they lock out is pretty trivial compared to the DLC everyone else is doing. The "real" DLC for smash and MK isn't related to amiibos at all.
