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Did VR flop?
We'll see when the ps vr is out
Give it at least a year. If it's not selling too great then yes, it has flopped.
>>336366661
Probably. Doesn't mean it was bad though, everyone who's actually used it was blown away. Just because something flops doesn't mean it was /bad/.Like Edge of Tomorrow.
Sales are good, lots of games are coming out, and the technology is advancing, so no.
Not becoming a /v/ meme is usually the best sign that something did alright.
>>336366661
it didn't even start selling on stores
>>336366661
My buddy has a vive, he is having the time of his life, most of what it is on the market right now is more gimmicky than the wii, literally not a single title that is not experimental like kinect lab titles. He is saying Occulus is holding VR back because Occulus shit does not have motion controls and the screen is shittier, Occulus ports to the Vive are notoriously poor looking because OR resolution is inferior...so he says.
Hover Junkers is the most approximate title to an actual game, I concur.
It may take another console generation, if VR last as long, before it gets a full game.
I'm not even remotely interested in it. Literally every single VR exclusive game is some indie "le job simulator xD" trash.
It's all physics sandboxes and wacky simulators. Why the hell would I drop so much money on something with no good games?
GUYS LETS MAKE IT 700$ AKA HOW MUCH THE MONKEYS SPEND IN 5 YEARS!!!
>>336367001
Spoken like a true mexican.
Kill yourself, make humanity great again
>>336366661
It's having a slow start but it'll probably pick up in a few years. Right now it's too expensive to justify the sheer lack of decent content.
I will buy as soon as this is a thing
When I buy one it'll be for ASMR and not even for games.
Most of the games will probably be shit.
>>336366661
PSVR is gonna win.
>>336366661
I'l consider buying one when there are racing games with multiplayer supporting that preferably if they have eurobeat and an ae86
>>336368526
>>336366952
>Sales are good
Do you have any solid numbers to back that?
Because looking at steamspy the numbers are pathetic.
>>336366661
If they can get it a little cheaper, it will do ok. Hopefully enough rich bitches get it to keep developing it.
>>336368680
Not him but it's cheaper.
That's all it takes.
>>336368814
Also support for real games
Even if the hardware is shit, the software is what matters
>>336368683
>Because looking at steamspy the numbers are pathetic.
Just from the first 10 minutes of sales for the Vive, 15k were sold, generating $12,000,000 in revenue.
That figure has since doubled.
Not to mention the Oculus side, and PSVR selling out of pre-order stock almost instantly.
>>336367142
People buy things they can't afford all the time, such as a new iphone every year
>>336366661
give it time. it's a new technology trying to enter the market
>>336369075
This pretty much.
No doubt its also gonna also have "experiences" and the smaller demo style games, but its also got a bunch of games lined up.
I feel Sony advertise it more, not even any huge campaigns, just on the net, they always got blog posts and shit about VR games coming to it, eve if they are coming to pc as well, like Distance, while Oculus/Vive seem to have pretty much relied on word of mouth until they launched when they started actually having trailers and shit.
I also think for better or worse, console players are also more open to trying peripherals.
Also its a closed system so its software is filtered.
I'm not saying everything on the store will b "100% gold should buy", like I said, there will no doubt be demo games and experiences, but that closed platform will filter out some of the "Here is a game that will last you 10 minutes I made by myself in Unity I'm selling for $5" stuff.
Its also got exclusives, which I don't think the others really have for the most part, which isn't a bad thing just another thing in psvr's corner.
I mean VR is already gonna be a pretty small market, so unless devs are aiming for something SUPER graphically intense, they will probably release it on all headsets, so Sony having their own studios to make stuff on top of that? Pretty handy.
I know there are a couple Oculus exclusives, but to my knowledge its not hard to make them work on the Vive.
>>336366661
it will flop because nostandardization
enjoy your VR headset exclusive games
literally consoles all over again
The sooner it flops, the sooner we can move on from developers making gimmicky bullshit. Let's hope it dies a painless quick death.
>>336368526
>>336368814
>>336369075
Not only does the rift/vive support existing games too, you'd also have to buy a ps4k for the PSVR so it's not really cheaper.
>>336370262
>you'd also have to buy a ps4k for the PSVR
Gonna need a source on that, because it sounds like bullshit.
>>336370262
>Not only does the rift/vive support existing games too
Really? Like what? I'm clearly out of the loop on this. I was going to buy the PSVR, convince me otherwise.
>>336370262
You don't need a ps4k for psvr.
Everything they have shown for it has been on the regular ps4, which there are a lot of.
>>336370358
It is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0JTkBZdyw
Do they have a game where women are attracted to me? Lol
>>336370358
>>336370447
You wouldn't be able to play existing PS4 games in VR without the new hardware, retards. Only shitty VR games made specifically for it.
Unless you want to play at 10fps.
>>336370628
Summer Lesson
>>336370635
You can, just without head tracking, like playing on a cinema screen.
You wouldn't be able to do that with the ps4k anyway, devs have to specifically code that into their game.
>>336370635
>Only shitty VR games made specifically for it.
Wow. You mean I have to play VR games on a VR device?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0JTkBZdyw
>>336370823
And no 3D? Worthless. You would need new hardware for 3D.
With the ps4k you'd actually be able to utilize usefully as a 3D display in any game.
>>336366661
Who knows. It's still supply constrainted.
The important question is which one lets me watch erotic hypnosis videos in an isolated digital environment
Outside of that I don't give a fuck until there are games
I'm waiting for acceptable pricing and actually good library of games for it.
>>336370850
You're an idiot if you don't understand why this is a bad thing. Games made for VR are terrible. Being able to play existing games that are actually good, in VR, is what's good about VR.
>>336370583
>>336371063
This video is bullshit. Just 20 minutes of cherry picked garbage.
>>336371127
Are you stupid?
Thats not how VR works man, you don't just put it on and now whatever you are playing you are in the game world, devs have to put that into the game.
People on pc can't just fire up GTAV and start playing it perfectly in VR, cause the devs haven't put in a VR mode for it, they have to download mods made by randoms to make that work.
You couldn't get a ps4k then start playing Killzone in proper VR, cause it doesn't have a VR mode.
>>336371368
>Games made for VR are terrible
I can already tell you know nothing about this topic and should stop talking about what's good about VR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJT3ZhhBxkk
>>336368683
To be fair it is a brand new technology and people are probably still unaware or just skeptical. Once more games come out then we can truly judge.
>>336366863
Keep moving that goalpost.
>>336371587
THE FUTURE IS NOW
>>336371604
This, it needs a killer app that will have people wanting one.
I have OR and EVE valkyrie and project cars is fun, but it feels like it needs something more.
>>336371463
You are fucking retarded. You're still talking about headtracking while I'm not. You could play GTA 5 or any game just fine if you use it just as a 3D display, with no coding whatsoever needed from the devs, like my post suggests.
>>336371748
Pretty sure Budget Cuts will be the killer app this year.
>>336368683
>steamspy
Why are people still falling for this meme?
>>336371685
Did you use it?
>>336371504
It sounds to me like this is more of a matter of taste rather knowledge, and you have incredibly shit taste if you think VR games are good and can actually compare to existing games.
>>336371410
I dont think 20 minutes of problems is cherrypicking
>>336372014
>I haven't tried VR and don't know anything about the games for it: The Post
It's literally MS Kinect for your eyes.
Over priced Bulls hit that your going to get tired of because at the end of the day a person would prefer putting a controller/mouse keyboard in their hands rather than suiting up to go deep sea diving with VR goggles.
>>336372020
Out of an 11 hour stream? Sounds like cherry picking to me.
>>336366661
VR/AR is the future, but the future is not now.
Eventually this will all be totally cool with awesome hardware and software, but right now its just super expensive hardware and overpriced tech demos.
I wouldn't recommend buying in until porn is widely available.
They needed to keep vr cheap and experimental. The idea that the vive or cv1 are consumer ready is a joke.
>>336372126
>I'm actually a shit eating retard who enjoys waggle shovelware
>>336372126
The concept of VR is cool, but most of the games aren't really above Wii shovelware at this point.
>>336372320
Just try it.
I can guaran-fucking-tee that you'd change your tune about the games if you tried it.
>>336372204
>at the end of the day a person would prefer putting a controller/mouse keyboard
Oculus comes with a controller.
Successful enough to survive and nothing more.
Give it 1 year. Especially when Oculus releases Touch controllers.
>>336372014
I understand what you are getting it.
Its true most games right now made especially for VR looks pretty shit.
Its the normal games that have VR modes where VR is best.
Racing games, Elite Dangerous that sorta thing.
>>336372483
>not quoting the full quote
Ahhhh I'm glad to see you cherry picking quotes without quoting the whole thing. Dumbass
I think the smart thing to do is wait and see how it pans out. See what people end up doing with it once it's been out for a bit and people try different things and get to grips with this "new" tech and find out what does and doesn't work.
>>336372698
Ok
>rather than suiting up
Not even a thing.
>>336372483
You still have to wear shit over your eyes and take multiple breaks so they don't get fucked up. Yeah VR really is easier than just playing a game normally.
>>336372870
Please Trump get these sluts out of here
>>336372870
>and take multiple breaks so they don't get fucked up
>this misinformation
Sup grandpa.
PSVR will bring in the average consumer, driving sales for PS4K, and for more people unaware of VR to try it easily. I foresee PSVR booths at Targets and shit. Then that will attract more interest in the Oculus and Vive too.
Honestly I don't see why games were the first jumping off point for VR though. It has so many more real world applications that would be easier to make than games.
>>336372695
>Racing games, Elite Dangerous
Well at least you've listed all the games that work with HMDs.
>>336372870
>and take multiple breaks so they don't get fucked up.
Think you're supposed to take breaks anyway.
>>336372845
>putting shit over your eyes
VR is a gimmick and in 5 to 10 months you'll see a massive price drop in units because nobody will give a shit.
>>336373067
>what is literally any fps game
>>336373080
But when you have your eyes directly up to the screen you'll have to take more.
>>336373148
>VR is a gimmick
Have you tried it? No? Fuck off :^)
>>336373339
>thinking VR is a new concept
Troll harder faggot
>>336373405
It might as well be. You must be one of those retards who compare it to virtual boy.
>>336373463
>Thinks Virtual Boy was the first VR unit
Kek
>>336373038
I mean the military uses them to fly drones and shit.
What else would they be good for.
I mean obviously I can see what else they would be good for, movies, tourism, education, that sorta shit, but its still to new and expensive with to little applications in those fields for it to really do anything.
It will get bigger over time though as more things start to use it, especially with easy 360 degree video transfers to vr.
Didn't Will.i.am or someone have a vr concert?
>>336373274
Actually, filling you vision properly and allowing you to look around might be better for your eyes.
I'm waiting till Oculus controllers are out, then I'll compare the two and see which is better for my needs.
I'm kinda betting that sales will be way up around Christmas time as well, but yeah they seem to be selling pretty well, even if they aren't getting much media coverage for whatever reason.
>>336373564
Lol wut?
>>336373543
Never implied that, idiot.
>>336373543
Compare it to the VFX-1 then, it's still not even in the same ballpark.
>>336373405
>still missing the point
You're pretending to be retarded? The technology is way better now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TckqNdrdbgk
>>336373751
Fine, enjoy your Kinect for your eyes. Dropped 700 dollars/euros or whatever and try not to kill yourself when it drops to a quarter in 2 months when people lose interest in it.
>>336366661
I love my HTC Vive,sad but funny you faggots are rejecting the greatest thing since the Atari2600, you'll change your tone once you try it though literally everyone who tries a rift or vive does
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cnOy1ZS.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>336373693
Like how this is supposed to be easier on the eyes.
It's the contrast between the screen and everything around it that stresses you.
>>336373928
do peasants really believe this?
>>336373928
I've said this before, but you stupid fucks don't really get this at all. By your logic, every video game console since Dreamcast should have failed. Since yknow, if one thing fails once, that means everything will fail for the rest of time.
>>336372204
>>336372204
>Kinect for your eyes
hahahahaha you're welcome to join us when you try it
daily reminder that there are no VR critics just people who haven't tried real VR
>>336374094
This guy knows what's up
https://youtu.be/qYfNzhLXYGc?t=3m11s
Stop saying VR flopped! You'll jinx it! FUCK. I payed top dollar for VR. Vive and a 980 and a i7 and w10. If it flops I will fucking sue out the ass.
>>336371410
let them h8 it's not like they can afford it anyway
>>336374378
how can it? with over 100 titles on steam already, warhawks dude... warhawks...
all new game deving could stop right now and I'd be happy with about 15 amazing titles with endless replayability to have
>>336374323
>VR...It's not going to fail.....it's not going to fail
>>336369152
15k sold jesus. That 12mil isn't even going to cover one years expenses let alone the whole development time that was wasted on VR. The only way VR is going to make its money back is if the software is there, which it will never be. This is just going to be another Wii.
>>336374364
I haven't tried fantastic yet, maybe will later, is it good?
>>336374330
Oh sorry, I forgot you spend all your time on the DEEP WEB. M'lady
>>336366661
there are 2 options:
1. it can be saved by sony.
2. sony will bury it forever. FOREVER
>>336374364
Personally I'm hyped for VR, but literally none of that shit looks fun.
>>336366661
Kill yourself, and everyone that actually thinks this thread isn't complete ass.
I plan on getting some vr gear, but I also have a policy of not buying 1st gen of a new hardware.
>>336374364
>The underwater segment
Giving me Ecco/Endless Ocean flashbacks
>>336374167
I'm sure more than one certified optometrist agrees with your shit theory....no
>>336374647
>software is there, which it will never be
feels good though not having tons of faggots saturating my VR community, literally awesome which is why I hope VR never become mainstreem although of course it's obvious it will to every single person who tries it
>muh no games
>>336374364
How does movement in-game work with VR? Everything shown seems to be on rails in an enclosed box.
>>336375460
Depends on the game.
Teleporting seems to be common for first person stuff, but Budget Cuts is the only one that really does that well.
Hover Junkers has you flying on a ship that you direct with one hand, shoot with another.
Few games are using traditional artificial locomotion, but everyone seems to be moving away from that.
>>336375460
They have a controller but by the time you have the controller in your hands you will be "why the fuck did I just drop $800 on a helmet I'm not going to use in 2-4 months
>>336374837
of course it doesn't on a monitor like yours but I've seen everyone of my friends who don't give a shit about video games normally turn into little fucing children at the sight of that robot dog, yall need to start realizing that you can't possibly comprehend the experience of VR and how it makes you feel unless you try it, whtching these videos is just a waist of time.
You can all decide to ingore it until it shoved in your face eventually (it's not dying, way too late for that xD but keep saying so that's fine) or you can join the train early althogu when you do you'll start raging when ever a stupid VRgin compares it to the kinect or wii lol, either way idc, I'm playing hover junkers and flight sims.
Also ya those games are big sellers for V, but look up virtual desktop, raw data, warhawks, endless horror games, etc...
>>336375220
>feels good though not having tons of faggots saturating my VR community
WUT? That's literally what is happening. Have you even looked at any of the games other than the highlighted ones? They are all mobile-tier garbo. VR was made for simulations but the effort required to make those kind of games is higher than what most people are going to bother with. People are just jumping in on the latest gimmick and trying to cash in on it while the iron is hot. The same happened with the Wii and guess what? Other than Nintendo making mad bank with hardware sales, the software sold rather poorly.
>>336375892
Lol you are one delusional cuckold.
>>336375656
sure explains all of the extremely positive reviews of the rift and vive... don't worry though I'm sure dank souls is fine
When this all started I was expecting to be a niche thing for the simulator crowd like track IR. But now everyone is overhyping it for meme indie games and game that have no purpose for VR. Shit like 3rd person games.
>>336376097
>initial hype
Remember the hype for Wii games? Same thing.
>>336376074
>"because there are tons of shit games and only some really great replayable games, VR will fail..."
By that logic I see why PC gaming, console gaming, and mobile gaming died when they started too...
oh wait...
>>336376279
>VR = Wii
This will never get old haha, funny how only people who have never tried VR say that hmm...
This shit seems braindead for racing/flying games.
Are there any racing/flying games yet? Can I drift in /vr/?
>>336374167
Did you expand this image in ms paint?
>>336376074
Pic related
>>336376496
Everyone at Giant Bomb, for one.
>>336376496
People are retards.
They hear motion controls and think of something not even remotely comparable.
>>336376496
Lol you must have a stake with Sony or the Occulas Rift for it to succeed.
Jesus it's amazing how people could be this self diluted
>>336376779
No just motion controls, stupid. The fact VR is a gimmick like motion control, Kinect, etc.
Also get fucked
>>336367573
>Driving fast around the country with a pretty white girl at your side
Only thing that will ruin the game for me is that the hands on the steering wheel will probably be white.
>>336367573
No one appreciates the early 2000s racing aesthetic
That near-future but present day house music filled world is one I can only dream of
>>336376979
Point proven.
Sub-MM 3D positional laser tracking is not even close to the same thing as barely functioning gyro tracking.
>>336377325
They are all gimmicks fuck face.
You can have all the functionality you want, the fact is people will grow tired of VR fast just like every other gimmick
>>336372020
>20 minutes out of an 11 hour stream where all they do is say positive things about it
Fuck off retard
>>336377546
Hope you grow out of it too so I never have to see you whine
>>336377667
You haven't disproven my argument that it's a gimmick and will pass like everything prior.
>>336377546
They are not gimmicks, ass hat.
The tech for a wii mote or Kinect was barely functioning as it was, so you only had gimmicky game designs because that's all that was possible.
The tracking for VR is so far advanced, any competent devs are creating much better games because of it.
You're so fucking dense it's almost embarrassing.
>>336377092
This is the decade of diversity, friend. You will likely be able to do whatever the fuck you want with the hands.
>>336376279
You can't fucking do that, Jesus Christ.
>LEL REMEMBER THE HYPE FOR BLIMPS, PLANES WILL BE THE SAME
>>336377793
Why disprove a sperg when I'm not in your argument and don't care about how much of a brick wall you want to be
>>336374094
>i l-love it it's so great vr is the future i totally do not regret buying it promise!!
t. VRfags everywhere
>>336377826
>The tracking for VR is so far advanced, any competent devs are creating much better games because of it.
That's what people said about the PS Move/Leap Motion, and look what we got out of it.The Move is also going to be used as motion controllers for the PSVR
>>336377826
All new tech is amazing but people get tired of it after awhile.
Remember 3d movies, it was so hyped and every big budget movie was in 3rd and then people realized that it wasn't worth the money to see the same thing in the normal way. Now 3d is still here but it's not something most movies use as a selling point.
People get tired of new tech after the initial hype.
>>336366661
Developing technologies don't fucking flop like a single project does. VR is going to get better and better every year.Once we do away with consoles it'll be even faster since developers won't have to meet their shit standards.
Is that a consolefag thread?
I'm sure there have been literally no threads against VR, and suddenly this is getting some replies ?
>144 / 26 / 56
Yea okay much retards samefagging, yet you'd have to be REALLY dumb to underestimate VR as I've read in this thread so far.
>>336375113
I'm past the point of thinking that you don't believe what you say and are trying to stir shit. The two reasons screens are tiring/bad for your eyes is, first, the contrast of something very bright on a backdrop of darkness, and the proximity of a screen to your face. Your eyes have to focus on something close to them for long periods, which they really weren't made to do. Supposedly this causes eye development problems in children though there isn't a lot of evidence one way or the other, and there's pretty much no evidence at all to the case of it being negative in the long term for adults. Modern VR goggles have neither of these problems because they take up the majority of your field of view, meaning your eyes are taking in bright light the way they would in reality, and the lens makes you focus into an actual 3d space where you are looking at distant objects, not at the screen 2 inches from your face. VR goggle eye strain is a nonissue meme created to fool idiots like you into parroting misinformation.
>>336378275
TL;dr
>>336366661
Too early to say
A product's life cycle is characterized by 3 stages
1. early adopters
2. Mid-life
3. end of life
Early adopters would be considered people who are buying VR because they think it looks cool, without any knowledge. These people would buy it regardless of whether it's good or not because it's so new nobody has formed an opinion. I think VR probably has done well in this stage because VR as a concept is brand new and exciting
Mid-life in a product is where the most money is made; In other words, once reviews are out, and the product has been on the market long enough for opinions to start forming, what are the numbers then? If a product does well in this stage, it isn't a flop
Finally, end of life would be when current VR technology becomes obsolete, price drops, etc. I would say that if a product hasn't turned a proft, or made a good impression with customers by then, it has definitely flopped.
Currently, I don't think VR technology has been available to the public long enough for people to have strong opinions, and to really see how well it's done.
>>336378126
>>336378124
And VR's been out for long enough now, that if people were going to get tired of it, that would've already happened.
>>336377964
I just did. What are you gonna do about it? Continuing to cry like you are?
>>336378571
>before commercial release
Your argument is implausible because all of those fads died when they were available widely for the public.
Try harder
>>336378598
Oh, well if you're intentionally being logically inconsistent then I can rest easy
>>336378126
See you say that, but 3D movies are still a thing and people still go to them. Makes the studios tons o dosh.
>>336378931
>that the same anon responded to you
>>336378739
I don't see how a market that has existed for two years, and grows with more support, more devices, and more technology every year, is a dying fad.
>>336379041
>completely ignoring that I said they aren't a selling point and gross sales come from standard viewing.
>No "must buy" game
>Tons of shovelware devs trying to make a quick buck on a fad
>Dark Souls 3 is more popular
I cannot wait for all those faggots who thought this would be the next big thing to back pedal.
>>336373038
That pic is great. kek
Pre-orders of VR headsets are fueling VR. Do you really think companies would spend billions of dollars making these things if nobody wanted them?
>>336379085
It's going to boom when Occulas Rift is released but the bubble will burst like so many gimmick before it.
>>336379350
/v/ is just a bunch of manchildren that, ever since TORtanic, think things they hate for being popular automatically fail just because they hate them
>>336379350
What is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_scarcity
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_demand
Big Brother: Yeah VR is doing just fine...heh heh heh...
>>336379350
Early adopter shit heads.
Same faggots who stand in line at midnight releases at gamestop
>>336379548
>muh conspiracy
>>336379675
Lol completely missing the point
Typical VR faggot
>>336379739
Honestly you should kill yourself, who doesn't like virtual reality?
>>336379616
I think those people are idiots and yet here I am with a Vive.
>>336379616
They are necessary for our hobby
No one makes a second gen if the first doesn't sell
>>336379892
Screencapping and back tracing your IP.
If I do end up killing myself you'll now be charged with a felony.
>>336368683
That literally doesn't matter. You know you can enable any game for vr? I play Elite dangerous with my vr, purchased off steam. And I play sanctum 2, and other shit not linked to vr related games.
Why don't you kill yourself for being such a fucking moron please
>>336380264
Epic
Do it fag
>>336380407
MOAR Evidence
>>336366661
Yes it's expensive bullshit and anyone who cares enough to buy one.Probably should wait because there will undoubtedly be better quality headsets in the future. You're dropping $600 - $800 on something you're definitely going to need to replace.
Let Vive, Occulus, PSVR fail and wait for a decent headset at a good price to release in 5-10 years time.
>>336380407
>epic
Is it 2007?
>>336380589
It's called being ironic, redditor
>>336380714
>ironic
Just don't reply anymore, you just look foolish now
>>336380589
>We are now making fun of people for not using the hippest internet lingo
What happened to 4chan?
>>336380809
>I've never seen the word epic being used ironically
Ok kid
>>336380894
>>336380714
Apparently we still haven't got over samefaging
>>336380979
Said the samefag who replied to my post twice
>>336380949
>kid
Keep proving me right, everytime you respond
Also this anons insecurity...lol
>>336381154
>saying lol unironically
Definitely a redditor
>>336381154
>>336381263
Both of you are fags at the end of the day.
>>336381342
Yeah but I'm a fag ironically
I have an Oculus and it fucking blew me away. I don't care if it isn't selling well right now, it will soon. Technology becomes cheaper, guys.
This is the next paradigm shift of video games. I feel like a little kid again with that thing on.
>>336366661
Just give it another 5 to 10 years!
>>336380979
>Any time two people disagree with me is samefag
Is gachimuchi vidya?
>>336366974
Oculus resolution is actually pretty similar to the Vive. Vive has motion controls but they're practically tied in every other field.
And Windlands on the Oculus was amazing.
You can tell it's the end of the thread when the faggots are arguing over samefaging.
Such is /v/
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>>336381860
Samefag
>>336377092
>implying the skin tone won't have a texture you can open in any image editor and then color balance
you'll be aight
>>336371587
One of the cards is straight up straight shota with ash fucking jessie.
>>336366952
>games coming out.
more like shovelware coming out
vr games need world interaction and a sentient world building two things that video game developers are shit at
