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Do you minmax like a faggot or try to make a realistic stat distribution?
Is it possible in BG2 to make a fighter-class that uses dex for melee combat?
>>336350020
To answer OP: I don't dumb stats but I aim for at least 16 in my class' important stats.
>>336351156
All fighters use dex for melee combat
>>336351534
>>336351156
I think he means using dex instead of str to calculate hit and damage
as far as I know you can't, dex is for ranged weapons only
dex also improves your AC
>>336350020
Is that Saerileth's sister?
>>336356042
You talking shit about mai waifu?
>>336356519
Yes I am.
I minmax like a faggot to get through all the shitty encounters as quickly as possible, including not resting every 5 seconds. so half orc berserker
>>336356519
>barely any character statistics listed
>THAC0
What the fuck is that and why is it so important?
>>336356960
To Hit Armor Class 0
>>336356960
it basically means attack bonus or whatever, except it goes backwards, like AC goes backwards in these games as well. it's not complicated desu
>>336356960
It's the basic hit chance. THAC0 at 16 gives you a 5/20 (25%) chance to hit. Enemy positive armor class gives a 1/20 (5%) bonus per point, negative armor class gives a 1/20 penalty to hit.
>>336356960
The minimum roll of a 20-sided dice you need to hit a person who has armor class 0
>>336356519
>elf
>>336353068
I don´t think that there is an option like a feat that gives you Dex to attack rolls with a least some weapons in 2e. Weapon finesse was first introduced in 3.5.
>>336358675
REMOVE DWARF
>>336358675
Remove Dwarf!
>>336358873
>>336358949
Pointy eard bastards
>>336358873
>>336358949
Based Elfmind
>>336359163
repulsive elfs
>>336359129
>>336359408
Dwarf pls, it's not our fault we're prettier /and/ more cultured.
Enjoy that useless Con bonus in exchange for being rotund and ugly, though.
>>336359408
manlet
what mage school is best?
>>336353068
You can't
>>336362596
wild
I'd like to roleplay but half these D&D based RPGs are impossible to complete, or at least extremely difficult if you don't do what each game wants
Haven't played Baldur's Gate still tho
>>336362596
Necromancy if you don't want divination spells.
Literally dump it all in INT.
>>336362861
Baldur's gate is not really that bad in that regard, if you go by the stereotypical trope of a fighter, healer, wizard and rogue.
>>336362861
by roleplay do you mean do dumb shit? because there isn't really much dumb shit to do. you can play an ineffective character if you turn down the difficulty I guess
>tank
>rogue
>mage
>cleric
>????
>????
well? what are those two more characters I need?
>>336363637
Either more muscle or more spells.
>>336363637
>tank
they kill people too you know, this isn't some shit mmo
>>336363794
I meant some big male man that can get hits and block enemies to buttrape my mageI'm sorry anonI understand you
>>336363719
>more spells
is a dual class mage any good?
>>336363982
Yes, almost any class dualing into mage will be good. Multiclass too.
>>336363637
You don't need a pure thief or cleric
>>336364216
Pure thief or clerics are decent enough for a first playthrough.
>>336364216
I'm going for dorf warrior/rogueI don't know what to dual a cleric to thoughI already have a fighter/cleric in another playthrough
>>336364170
I'm probably going for a multiclass mage then, sounds good
>>336363982
mages only exist to dispel spell protections on other mages and cast haste on your berserkers
So, what is the overall verdict on SoD?
I am still playing with my own BGT mod installation. Worth upgrading to SoD?
>>336364402
You can go for ranger/cleric, they get cleric and druid spells
>>336364545
Shit writing, linear, some good encounters
>>336364480
>dispelling spell protections
Why?
>>336364545
>SoD
It's pure Beamdog original content and like all beamdog original content it'sshit.
>>336364615
does the addon at least expalin the gap between BG1 and BG2 in a coherent and logical manner or is it just fan service?
>assassin
>good
meme or reality?
>>336365868
Meme. The backstab immunities in 2 kill any hope of them being more viable.
>>336365868
It's good until late SoA/ToB, poison can disable caster easily and their backstab will one shot a lot of things
>>336350020
>realistic stat distribution
>for fucking BHAALSPAWN
nigga, anything below 90 total roll is unrealistic for charname
Nalfein shitposting WHEN???
>>336366484
Too bad most of the enemy NPCs have much higher stats than charname.
>>336350020
Roll for 87 then distribute 17-16-15-14-13-12 depending on the character. Good enough for any class without making the rest of the party worthless.
>>336364658
so you can hit them with your berserkers
>>336366894
Why not just cast Cloudkill?
>>336367031
because it'll hit your guys and probably isn't a fast way to kill stuff
>>336350020
>18 str/con for a fem sword-weaboo
Stick to min maxing realism's already gone
>>336367172
Then you cast more cloudkill. And add some cloudkill on top of those.
>>336366887
>Good enough for any class
Enjoy never casting the highest level spells
>>336367324
then you have to wait like 10 rounds for it to work, and then rest after?
>>336367397
that's not how the bg engine works dickface
>>336367406
Wand of cloudkill. With six mages, you can do six cloudkills per turn by switching the wand between them.
>>336367550
then the wand expires?
and surely for that you'd be better off with 6___bards
>>336367685
>Not having 6 thieves with Use Any Item reading scrolls of CLK
>>336367685
If you run into encounters with enough mages that you need more than 50 casts of cloudkills before you can refill your wand, you are doing it wrong.
>>336367814
how do you refill a wand
>>336368164
You just sell it and buy it back. Doing that gives Wand of Fire 50 charges and Wand of Magic Missile 100 charges. You should never have to waste spell slots on spells you have on wands.
>>336368304
ty. I'm a massive baldur's gate faggot and I didn't know that, somehow
>>336363719
No, more banter.
>>336368304
>You should never have to waste spell slots on spells you have on wands.
That depends on the wand's spell level, though.
Not quite sure about BG numbers, but in NWN usually wand of MM is only slvl3, so only fires 2 missiles. I think I even seen wands in BG that only fired a single missile.
Sometimes wands are just weak and aren't even worth using.
>>336364938
Irenicus orchestrates an assassination where you get the blame for it or something like that and you're forced to leave Baldur's Gate
>>336368942
>irenicus arranging anything
Yeah, no.
>>336350020
>realistic stat distribution?
The player character is a child and heir to the God of Death.
Having 18 con and 18 (class relevant stat) actually is realistic stat distribution for such a person.
>>336364938
The original version made enough sense to me.
Irenicus and his cohorts captured you after the events of BG1, and brought you to his underground rape dungeon for more experiments.
>>336369129
?
It's like you never watched the intro of BG2
>>336369209
That doesn't necessarily make you superhuman.
Asimar and Tieflings have divine/demonic blood in them, and it's only like a +2 bonus.
I don't know how to minmax, desu
>>336369297
I actually have. It's you who haven't played the game.
>>336369341
Your divine essence is stronger than theirs
>>336362596
>what mage school is best?
conjuration is probably the all around best school, but you're better off specializing in necromancy instead
>>336369449
Source?
wild mage is the best mage, other mages are worse and also boring
>>336369532
Siege of Dragonspear
>>336369228
>you departed soon after, under circumstances much darker than anyone would have believed
They really didn't change anything with SoD.
>>336369341
Aasimar and Tieflings also do not transform into an avatar of death at will.
>>336369826
>non-canon
>>336369428
But I have??? He arranges your capture after you leave Baldur's Gate. Are you memeing me?
>>336369981
>Although Adrian eventually escaped the grasp of Irenicus, he ended up being aided by Bodhi. Slowly, he began to fall in love with Bodhi, who had already fallen for him, with the two ending up on an adventure to stop Irenicus. Travelling with Bodhi, Abdel eventually acted on his feelings for her and the two had sex.[citation needed] However, before they were going to again consummate, Abdel transformed into the Bhaalspawn Slayer and murdered his love.
Here's your canon bg
>>336370034
Nothing in the BG2 give me the impression that Irenicus could arrange his own spellbook.
>>336369532
>>336369449
The children of Bhaal all house fragments of his soul, this is a key part of the story. A tiefling is just an outsider mutt of no particular note.
>kill the demon thing after Durlag's Tower
>return to the dwarf in the inn
>he fucks off without giving me anything
Is that it? The fuck.
>>336350020
>lawful neutral
pathetic desu
>>336358873
>>336358949
>>336359163
>>336359741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvJsG4F2Img&index=21
>>336370449
Stop being so angry, kneebiter.
>>336370149
>Abdel eventually acted on his feelings for her and the two had sex.[citation needed]
how gud isshaman
I scout ahead every map with my cat familiar first. Am I wasting time.
>>336370797
In BG1, it's kind of a waste of time to scout outside of dungeons.
BG2 is more densely packed.
>>336370773
its as bad as every other druid kit
>/v/ hates minmaxing now
el oh el
enjoy your suboptimal progression
>>336370773
Nothing special like the majority of classes. A druid with another name in the end
>>336370797clairvoyance
>>336350020
>strength of a Hill Giant
>dexterity of a Deva
>constitution of an ogre
>below average in literally nothing
>realistic stat distribution
>>336369341
Having 18/29 STR in 2e is literally superhuman. It's not possible to get that strong without magic.
>>336371357
also the character goes into battle in a dress and kills people with a badly made sword and japan magic
>>336371357
About right for a demi-god.
>>336371638
>not using blades that's been folded a thousand times
>>336370182
Good for you but your headcanon doesn't change anything
>>336371969
Based on the events in BG2, Irenicus is a hysterical child that, through sheer amount of luck and plotholes, actually doesn't get himself killed somehow.
>vendor tries to scam me
>kill him
>reputation loss
>>336371475
>Having 18/29 STR in 2e is literally superhuman. It's not possible to get that strong without magic.
...no? A fighter, ranger, or paladin who rolls an 18 for strength also rolls a percentage die. That's what the 29 in 18/29 is.
There's nothing magical about it, it's just that the classes who depend most on the strength stat get further gradation within that stat.
>>336372708
>nigger tries to steal my wallet on the streets
>kill him
>go into prison
WOOOW
>>336372142
His plan and motivations were pretty simple and understandable. It's more like plot armor that you don't just die after a long time without your divine essence.
>>336350020
REMOVE CHARISMA
>>336373272
His plan relied on copious amount of luck and complete lack of brain functions in people around him.
Where the fuck can I spend gold in Baldur's Gate? I must be right at the end of the game and haven't found anything worth buying (finished Durlag's, in the process of gathering evidence against serevok).
>>336373593
If I remember correctly there were some expensive stuff at the High Hedge, maybe robe of archmage?
>>336372771
something like 14 would be considered 'ridiculously strong'.
>not donating all your gold to the temple of helm
>>336370149
I have read those books. They were terrible and this didn't happen. At least not all of it. Mostly the part where the two ended up on an adventure to stop Irenicus
>>336373527
His plan was just to steal your soul and drain energy from the Tree of Life while elves were distracted fighting drow.
>>336373898
does helm watch you masturbate?
>>336374361
noHELM SEES ALL
>>336374431
>he just watches and doesn't help
What an asshole.
don't die
What does /v/ think of romances? Are they good for character development? Should they also allow for just friendship?
In BG1EE, there's a part where Dorn will essentially judge each of your current party member's individually based their trustworthiness. Anyone know where I can view/listen to that dialogue for all party members?
>>336376919
maybe dig through the sound files
>>336376641
I wouldn't mind it if it actually felt like you were interacting with someone instead of clicking the not asshole comment until romance is secured. That is, it feels weird as fuck that nearly any character, regardless of race (restrictions are so minimal they are barely even there), alignment, looks, class, attributes, whatever, can just click those same answers and get the same outcome. Hell, they don't even really care what you do in the game in general aside from a few trap scenarios.
>Should they also allow for just friendship?
Yes. Or no. Depends on the character. There is no one right way to do it.
>>336376641
I think character interaction in general is good. I'd like it if the romance was kept to a minimum, so most of the writing can be other stuff
>>336374835
>being godly gay
>>336370342
Did you get the dagger?
>>336377962
No, but I ended up reloading and pickpocketing him for the hammer he's supposed to give you. I don't think the dagger even dropped.
>>336377557
It's usually more interesting when all character interaction doesn't stop after you romance someone except for one or two lines.
>>336378387
damn I thought you weren't supposed to get anything
how's the hammer?
>>336378387
That dagger is required for quest continuing. Get back to the Durlag tower.
>>336378708
It's a +1 warhammer with a +4 thac0/+5 damage on giants. No idea if this ever ends up useful or not.
>Neo /v/ hates the idea of min maxing
I miss when actual hardcores game here
>>336379023
>game
>as a verb
kill yourself
noone will miss you
>>336366887
Those are garbage stats.
Your Stalker has garbage stats. No exceptional strength on someone capable of it? No 18 con even though he would benefit from the +4 hp / level?
>>336373116
But that doesn't happen in Murica.
>>336378798
You sure? I've already killed the demonknight and the cultists + that demon thing they summon and the dagger doesn't seem to be lying around anywhere.
>>336379023
I'll minmax just short of being an actual faggot, i.e. multiclassing or using katanas or removing all party interaction so I can make 6 characters or whatever
>>336379269
>multiclassing or using katanas
What's wrong with those things?
>>336379164
These cultists need this dagger for demon summoning. They're stealing it during ambush.
>>336379023
BG is not a hardcore RPG
>>336379679
What RPG is?
>>336356878
>berserker
>not barbarian
>>336379387
Katanas are OP in Baldur's Gate.
1 handed weapon that does 1d10 damage? That's nuts.
Also, the best weapon in BG2 is a katana.
>>336379841
No you idiot. Weapon power list:
1. Carsomyr
2. Crom faeyr
3. Flail of ages
4. That katana
4th strongest weapon doesn't seem so OP.
>>336379090
Those are on par with the best npcs and absolutely godlike by 2nd ed d&d standards. Stats hardly matter anyway, you can go with 9s everywhere and solo easily.
>>336362861
The enhanced edition has LITERALLY a baby mode for guys like you.
>>336380029
Celestial Fury is by far better than all 3 of those.
>>336379841
>1 handed weapon that does 1d10 damage?
It's literally 1 damage average above a longsword. That's not really notable.
>>336380413
Yeah but if your min/maxing you'll take the weapon with the higher average damage.
>>336350020
>18/29 str
REEEEEEEEE
REROLL THIS
>>336380938
All the weeaboo shit in the OP and the thing that sets you off is the strength score?
>katana
>having good damage
fucking weaboos when will they learn
>>336381098
read the katana description it's disgusting
I'd like a mod that replaces all anime shit with normal shit
>>336381175
Why? You may not like it but its part of the setting.
Yes there is an Asia-like part of Forgotten Realms.
>>336381306
it's shit
>>336381175
>Katana
>The katana is a single-edged, slightly curved sword that ends with a chisel point. The katana is perhaps one of the finest swords ever made, the steps to its creation a long and secret process, that is more art form than anything else. This blade is an important facet of Kara-Tur culture. To touch or wield a samurai's katana is to insult the samurai and to incite his wrath. For a gaijin, or foreigner, to own such a blade is a rare occurrence. Either the gaijin is a greatly honored friend of an important minister, or the gaijin has murdered a samurai.
>>336350020
Minmax all day every day.
Realistic stat distribution is a concept intended with a human DM in mind, who will alter encounters accordingly - both for RP and Combat.
With a predetermined enemy, not going for the best is objectively shooting yourself in the foot.
>>336381859
Not to mention with a human DM you aren't going to be allowed to pull points from other stats and stick them elsewhere.
What the fuck is wrong with my game?
>>336381090
Not having a 18/00 hurts me far more than weeb katana kensai shit
send help reee
>>336382964
Getting 18/00 str takes hours of rerolling.
I usually aim for at least 18/50+. It'll become 19 in BG1 anyway thanks to the tome of str.
>>336382897
I remember some anon having a very similar problem not too long ago. If my memory serves me right enabling Software Standard BLT in the Graphics options fixed it.
>>336383182
Does it help with literally empty journal, though?
>>336382897
You speak some 3rd world language. That's what's wrong.
Is the 18/00 a 2.0 thing? What happens if you have 19 STR?
>>336383249
Just save yourself the trouble and install EE instead.
>>336383312
18/00 is an original D&D thing.
>>336383312
You just have 19 strength. Exceptional strength (the percentile) only exists to give a greater range for most player race warriors without letting them have 19 which is meant to be beyond human capability. From 3E onward everything just uses +1/-1 modifier for every 2 points above/below 10.
>>336383648
So why is it only strength that can be exceptional? Were the people who made D&D retarded?
>>336383845
>So why is it only strength that can be exceptional?
Because there needed to be a difference between warrior classes and non-warrior classes when it came to strength.
I haven't played this game since it was released in the late 90s. My longterm memory is pretty bad so it would be like a new game now. I don;t think I could sit in front of a computer though. Anybody play the tablet version? How bad are the controls?
>>336383312
>19 STR
Strength of hill giant.
>>336384224
>I don;t think I could sit in front of a computer though
>>336383312
19 Strength means you effectively have something like 22 or 24 strength. 18 is 18, 18/01 is 19, 18/100 is A LOT. 19 is that number +1, 20 is +1 more, and it basically goes on like normal after that.
I have no idea what were they smoking and why only one stat has this bullshit at only one number.
>>336384224
>bg
>controls
just click the screen phamagotchi
>>336383312
I don't know, but 19 is massively more than normal 18. half orc a best
>>336350020
I don't play shitty sjw games.
>>336384657
>and why only one stat has this bullshit at only one number.
see
>>336384004
Normalizing stats across classes i is one of the many, many things that 3E did that completely fucked martial classes over because it gave previously martial-only benefits to classes that weren't martials. There was a damn good reason things like getting the most benefit out of constitution were restricted to them.
>>336350020
When I first played? Realistic.
now? Kensai/Mage dualclass monster.
>D&D
>ever
Play multiplayer for a custom party.
Minmax like a faggot
> warrior, dwarf, 18/100, 17, 18, whatever
> warrior, dwarf, 18/100, 17, 18, whatever
> warrior, dwarf, 16, 17, 18, whatever ( ranged )
> warrior, dwarf, 16, 17, 18, whatever ( ranged )
> cleric, dwarf, whatever, max wisdom and dex
> thief, dwarf, whatever, max dex
Damn, this game went cheesecake with such party. The only problem were demiliches who could 1shot anyone with no reprive.
>>336385494
>warrior
>not berserker
>>336385494
>dwarf
>not half-orc
>warrior
>not berserker
>warrior ranged
>not archer
>>336350020
>18/29
This is why 2nd edition is utter shit.
>>336384983
They could do something like add a rule saying "this class has been pumping so much weight to get to this level, he now always has +1 Str no matter what his score is". Instead, you have to find and then roll a 100-sided die to determine if you get something like +25% to your strength out of the bag, or you are fucked and get just a measly +1 for picking Warrior.
It's not like anybody can get to 19 Str normally, and if you find an artifact that lets you, you get 19 Str regardless of if you are a martial class or a wizard.
>>336385795
every edition is utter shit
>>336385494
*fuck, should be 19 con for all warriors
>>336385996
5th fixed everything (tm), bro.
>>336385682
>>336385638
The party was a carryover from BG1, which limited choices. Besides, I like dwarves and having warrior archers fit the theme I was going for.
That is a family of dwarves helping their own to achieve godhood.
>>336385494
>Not Keldorn with 5 bards with whatever stats
>Keldorn has his own metal party playing in the background while he goes hardcore on all the evil baddies
>literally this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzir1B43I3E
Enhanced bard songs stack, you know.
>Aerie's wingstumps are whining, maybe you should talk to her befor-
>WUAAAAHHHHH NORMIE LANDLIFE WUUAAAAHHHH
>[Jaheria passive-aggressive-aggressiveness intensifies]
>[unintellible drow noises and fucking]
Are the EE romances any better?
>>336386287
You can call jaheira out on her passive aggressiveness every time she does it.
>>336386261
Literally awesome. I'll try that if I ever touch BG again.
>>336386425
And I could tell Carth trust me, totallynotrevan but it didn't make me want to suck his blaster(s)
>>336385828
>you have to find and then roll a 100-sided die
>find
Its percentile dice you tard. 2 ten sided dice. Which you are going to have if you are roleplaying D&D.
>>336386557
The difference is that Jaheira is only passive agressive in maybe 3 or 4 of the thirty conversations you have with her. She's usually just direct
>>336379751
One without an automapper or fast travel for starters
>>336386234
>That is a family of dwarves helping their own to achieve godhood
Nice.
>>336350020
I tailor everything to my preferences to archive maximal efficiency in any game I play.
So when do spells get good? What buffs are even useful? It seems like 90% of these spells and buffs are situational as fuck.
>>336388815
Haste (3rd level mage) is useful as fuck.
Bless (1st level cleric/druid) and Chant (2nd level cleric) are both good for the entirety of the trilogy.
Mirror Image (2nd level mage) is a good all-purpose buff.
Ghost Armor (3rd level mage) and Spirit Armor (4th level mage) are great for Fighter/Mage multiclass.
There's a lot of good buffs at all levels. These are just the ones that immediately leapt to mind.
>>336385828
There are plenty of ways to do it better than AD&D did but that's with the benefit of hindsight.
>>336389175
Bless lasts about half a battle though, and while haste is pretty good you end up needing to rest every five seconds to reapply it early game.
>>336388000
>dubs
>trips
So it is spoken. So shall it be.
Where do I find good portraits?
>>336389667
You make them yourself.
>>336388815
If you play the game for the first time, spells won't do you much good. It's only after you know the game and it's mechanics when find out that even some of the lowest circle spells are awesome and you can use or abuse them pretty much all game.
>>336389950
But what if I can't draw?
>>336390749
Steal artwork.
>>336390957
From whom?
I can't stand boring cunts that max stats like that. I allow myself to max one key stat - the rest have to be rolled for.
>>336389667
Old forums and repositories
>>336389492
If you use haste that much you aren't very good at the game.
There's only a handful of encounters in the entire game where haste is pretty much required.
>>336391530
Any links?
>>336391849
I'm talking of general dungeon crawls, I don't wish to rest at all within a dungeon.
>>336373807
>something like 14 would be considered 'ridiculously strong'.
Compared to an average human, yes. Compared specifically to other fighters, 14 strength is good but not exceptional.
>>336392127
I never do. And I never need to spam haste either.
I don't use haste at all during Durlag's Tower until the death knight.
>>336392214
Guess I need to "git gud" I probably just go through encounters wrong.
>>336350020
minxmax because the game is literally 99% combat and many enemies are op as fuck
Any way to make major money in BG2? I need that cash for those OP weapons.
>>336392938
You get a pretty good amount of money doing any of the quests to get your stronghold.
Doing the shit in Trademeet gets you a lot too.
Honestly, just play the game and you'll have more money than you know what to do with.
>>336393078
What classes do I need for each stronghold?
Do certain classes not get ones?
Can I get one if I'm dual classed?
If so can I get one for two classes?
>>336392938
Do quests
>>336393264
But my weapons aren't OP enough!
>>336393257
can you just play the game instead
>>336393372
Wait until later in the game to actually buy weapons. You will find alot on your own.
>20 STR at first level
>>336393257
Every class has a stronghold except barbs and monks.
>>336393615
Do dual classes get them? Will I only get the stronghold for one class?
>>336393724
You can only have one stronghold.
>>336393257
>>336393724
Install the multi stronghold mod. It lets you collect every single one.
The quests are fun, and it adds to the game in my opinion.
>>336350020
A Bhaalspawn's stats should be way above an average dude's. Sarevok had 95 points. Abdel Adrian, the shitty but still canon BG protagonist was over seven feet tall and regenerated faster than a troll. Think I went until I got 97 total then fed the PC all the stat tomes. There are way too many Wisdom tomes but I guess casting Wish will be fun later on.
My PC was a dual katana weaboo monster all through BG1, then dual classed to Mage and instantly went from best to worst in the party. Just about to regain my Kensai levels at the end of SoD and probably break the game's difficulty all through BG2.
>>336394361
>playing SoD
Shoulda skipped that garbage.
>>336393507
Literally impossible in BG1
>>336394361
Do you start bg2 with 500000xp now?
>>336392938
It's called quaff multiple pots of master thievery and literally steal everything in sight and fence it to thieves
You can also steal from the thieves and fence them again
>>336392841
>op as fuck
I started steamrolling everything at mid game with a non min maxed character and canon party
How does wish work in BG?
>>336394914
gives you random choices, but what you can get is restricted by your wisdom.
>>336394897
Install AI mods. Allow enemy mages to prebuff.
Come back later.
>>336394782
Ah, it was 19. My bad, I haven't played BG1 in quite some time.
>>336395015
>>336394914
Aka have a potion of wisdom handy if you plan to use it.
>>336394687
Some of the new items are nice and carry over to BG2. Story's pretty mediocre but I couldn't pass up more Irenicus and some of the encounters are really good. The few hard ones that aren't easily resolved with two Cloudkills or Fireball spam I mean.
>>336394795
SoD caps at 500k so yeah you can start BG2 at like level 11 or 12 for most classes.
>>336394795
If you just create a character in BG2 they'll have i think 89,000 xp.
>>336395227
How can new items carry over to BG2 when you start BG2 with literally nothing?
>>336396158
Originally if you imported a BG1 save into BG2, certain items from BG1 can be found in a chest later on in Irenicus' dungeon. If you import a SoD save, most of the new SoD items will appear in BG2, but as drops on various enemies. Example some of the Shaman gear can be found in the Sewers I think.
>>336386557
>Carth wants to talk
>"I don't really want to talk right now"
>>336394361
Damn that minmaxed.
>true neutral
Interesting, I normally don't go neutral, you have a reason why?
>>336397629
chaotic neutral is the best alignment
>>336397781
I know it gives you a roleplay excuse to do whatever the hell you want, but gameplay wise it seems worthless. You don't get a rep boost like good gives you, or a decline for letting you do quests with evil parties.
>>336397980
>rep
Lel
>>336396486
So not only did they break BG2 by allowing you to start at a higher level, they give you really good equipment at the start.
Smart move Beamdog.
>>336398402
I know rep is pointless at higher levels. But if we are talking BG1 low rep can be pretty shit. Besides better shop prices can be useful early game. Once you reach BG2 it's less important besides some party members. I'm just talking about how being neutral has no real benefits when evil/good has minor benefits but benefits.
>>336398698
The benefit of neutrality is you get to be neutral
>>336398804
>implying your alignment effects which dialogue options I pick
Even when I'm evil I still act like a nice guy so I have quests to do. Alignment has no effect besides rep. Unless you play a paladin.
>>336398804
Its hard to stay neutral. Doing quests to get xp is gonna invariably give you rep boosts.
>>336398698
Yeah but in bg1 you gain rep constantly
>>336398909
the 'lol I kill him for no reason XD' conversation options are such trash
>>336398909
Or a ranger.
>>336398804
Doesn't your alignement change to good or evil after hell anyway?
>>336399129
No. Your alignment only changes if you picked an evil option. And then it changes to evil.
>>336350020
My stats would be 8 in everything so no.
6 to charisma.
>>336398953
Exactly why evil has a decrease. So you can have evil party members without them all leaving you.
>>336398991
Exactly why evil is pretty boring, but I do like the few changes it does have (like the dreams).
>>336399027
Oh I didn't know that, I never play ranger even in the tabletop so I didn't know.
>>336399129
It switches to evil if you pick an evil option
>>336397629
Wanted to play a neutral well educated mercenary type but almost every choice is more black and white than I remember from my teens. The best I can usually do is always accept quest rewards instead of passing on them for Rep. That plus occasionally making shitty choices for the sake of profit or revenge (killed the fuck out Shandalar for teleporting us to Ice Island, lost 7 rep but it was worth it and he even dropped a Neutral Archmagi Robe) helps keep the party's rep just barely low enough that Viconia won't leave.
>>336399186
That was actually a pretty cool thing, too bad your alignment doesn't really matter since you can be a nice guy even if it says you are evil
>>336399243
evil is supposed to just mean you're self-interested, not that you're a big retard
>>336385828
>Instead, you have to find and then roll a 100-sided die
To be fair, if you can't already accomplish that, you're not going to be playing much 2nd edition regardless.
>>336399243
Ranger was restricted to any good in 2e. That restriction was lifted in 3e.
Performing evil acts would cause you to lose your ranger status similar to Fallen Paladins.
In BG, you can only regain your ranger status with the ranger stronghold quest.
>>336399448
No one ever used an actual 100 sided die. Those dice are rare.
When you need to roll d100 you roll two ten sided dice.
>>336399451
Ranger is pretty worthless anyway. Everything they can do another class could do better. All they have is the ability to switch around styles of play, but focusing on one thing is mostly better
>>336399658
>Everything they can do another class could do better
Archer. The archer kit does ranged combat better than any other class.
>>336399584
>No one ever used an actual 100 sided die. Those dice are rare.
>When you need to roll d100 you roll two ten sided dice.
No shit. And if you don't have at least two d10s, you're not doing too much of anything in 2nd ed.
>>336350020
I'm gonna do it guys. I'm gonna play BG1 at long last cause I didn't stop hearing about it for 20 fucking years or so.
What mods do I want. I'm pretty sure I want some, no one ever shuts the fuck up about their mods.
What protrait pack is not shit.
This is your chance to give me the definitive experience.
>>336398570
BG2 has always allowed you to carry over BG1 loot. Only a few specific items like the Helm of Balduran, a few accessories and a few specific +2 or +3 armors. The Helm is good pretty much all through the series but the rest of that stuff is outclassed by BG2 gear pretty fast.
>>336399769
Is it really worth making your player character one though? Especially since archery gets worse and worse as the series goes on.
>>336350020
Why the fuck would you make a gimp character for a challenge? Baldur's Gate has great AI improvement mods.
You'd get infinitely more enjoyment and challenge with maximum SCS settings than you would by giving yourself shit THAC0
>>336399834
The only things that EVER carried over from BG1 to 2 was the Helm of Balduran and the Golden Pants.
>>336399842
no, make your character a berserker or I guess wizard if you're gay
>>336399423
>Not wanting to RP as Lex Luthor
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainWithGoodPublicity
>>336399842
I played Archer all the way through ToB. It worked pretty well.
The myth that ranged combat sucks in BG2 on is just that: a myth.
>>336395037
you didn't say anything about mods
>>336400027
It's not that it sucks, it's just unless you keep around a lot of enchanted arrows/a special bow that doesn't need it. You won't effect shit.
>>336399834
>>336399919
From what I remember you find the helm of balduran in irenicus dungeon anyway.
Ranger/Clerics are fucking fantastic.
>>336400186
meant to quote
>>336399658
>>336399919
Nope, you get one item from each of these lists. If you have more than one in a category, you get whichever's higher up in the list.
Armour:
Leather Armour +2 "Protector of the Second"
Chainmail +2 "Mail of the Dead"
Fallorain's Plate Plate Mail +1
Studded Leather Armor +2 "Missile Attraction" (cursed)
Chainmail +3
Miscellaneous:
Helm of Balduran
Claw of Kazgaroth
Horn of Kazgaroth
Koveras' Ring of Protection +1 "Ring of the Princes"
>>336400147
You do. You need to have it in BG1 for it to appear in BG2.
So really, the only thing that carries over at all before SoD was the Golden Pants.
>>336400146
When I got into ToB I just bought stacks of +3 arrows.
There's also a container specifically for ammo so its not like it cluttered up my inventory.
The only thing bad about Archer was that it fucked up things a little too easily. It was boring because shit died so fast to him.
>>336381098
>>336381175
>>336381306
>>336381467
>>336381591
>>336381934
Confirmed for never having lived in the 90s or 80s. i grew up in the late 80s/early 90s. This was real and taken very seriously. People actually thought this about Katanas.
And FR has a not-Asia part to it.
>>336400390
It has always appeared for me and I never really imported my character. Maybe it was part of bg2fixpack or some other mod.
>>336400147
It's behind a locked and trapped portait in the Helm and Cloak in BG1. Irenicus keeps it in his bedroom after he kidnaps you.
>>336400314
I've never had any of those items show up in BG2 if I had them in BG1. Except the Helm of Balduran.
Also Chainmail +2 Mail of the Dead always shows up on Illyich. Its not a carry over.
>>336400472
Yeah that should read
>You don't need to have it in BG1 for it to appear in BG2
Sorry for the confusion.
>>336400464
we didn't say otherwise. I'm from 80s
it's still fucking retarded
>>336400464
Katanas AND Longswords are both overrated desu
>>336385682
dorfs would be better thanks to the shorty bonuses to saving throws
>>336392659
>I probably just go through encounters wrong
If you are fighting trash all you literally do is attack with all your characters.
>>336388815
Sleep is amazing for the first half or so of BG1 where you're fighting packs of Gibberlings, Kobolds and Bandits. It puts the entire group to sleep which gives a big hit chance bonus that offsets terrible low level THAC0. Most enemies after Bandits are nearly or completely immune to it though. Magic Missile is the staple single target damage spell but its a waste to memorize it until you are high enough level to fire 3-5 missiles at a time. Haste is fantastic, Fireball will win most fights easy especially if you can catch all the enemy Mages in it before they can get their opening spells off.
Clerics can do anything. It is ridiculous how good their buffs are. Draw Upon Holy Might, Holy Power and Defensive Harmony will turn a Cleric into the best melee in your party.
>>336401089
>some saving throws you don't need because berserker is immune to everything
>not 19 str
>>336402258
>will turn a Cleric into the best melee in your party.
Only if they're multiclassed. 1 attack per round makes them totally fucking useless as anything other than a backup melee.
I like it here, where the gold grows.
>>336402304
19 str vs 18/00 is negligible. The massive saving throw boost that dwarves have is very much superior.
What's the difference between dual classing and the multiclassing from later editions?
>>336402678
dual classing is a retarded clusterfuck, don't ever do it. it's something like it completely disables all the abilities of your first class until your second class gets as much xp as it. great game experience right there, being useless for entire chapters of the game
>>336402678
You can only dual class once and it permanently moves you over to your new class, it's very strict on stat requirements, your original class' abilities are disabled until you hit your original class' level in your new class, and your XP track becomes the new class' outright instead of being based on your total level.
3E's class system is nothing like what came before it.
>>336402806
>being this shitty
This is b8 right?
Dual Classing is the way to make your character OP as fuck.
>>336402258
Good thing that you get Fireball around the same time when mobs start to become immune to sleep.
Horror works fine too.
>>336403141
you're baiting and retarded if you think the dual class system isn't the shittiest thing you've ever heard. I don't care about your ebin kensai mage or whatever
>>336353068
Weapon finess is the feat in 3rd edition, but that doesn't exist in core 2nd edition rules.
I think it was commonly used as a 'house rule' by lots of DMs though.
>>336402376
How does attack per round work? When do you actually get more? Certain classes on certain levelups?
Cleric/ranger gets more, right? It's still less apr than a pure class fighter, though?
>>336403253
Kensai/Mage isn't the only dual class that wrecks shit.
Berserker -> Mage
Cleric -> Mage
Fighter -> Cleric
Are all beasts.
>>336403424it says all this in the manual, there's tables with all this info
>>336402678
Dual Classing: You drop your current class keeping nothing but your current HP and start over as another class at Level 1. You instantly become shit, but once your new class goes one level higher than your original you regain all the abilities of your previous class, although you will never gain any further experience in your previous class.
Multi Classing: You are both or all three of your classes at the same time and the experience you earn is split between them. You can do a large variety of things but you aren't particularly good at any of them because your XP is split and you level slower. I think you might also never be able to cast the highest level spells because you'll hit the xp cap before you could.
>>336364545
An already forgotten game
>cant use Imoen
>cant use Alora
>cant use Yeslick
>cant use Kagain
>cant use Ajantis
>cant use Xan
>cant use Tiax
>cant use Kivan
>cant use Coran
>cant use Xzar
>cant use Branwen
>cant use Shar-Teel
Pure shit.
>>336403424
APR are normally limited to one per class. Fighters get ½ attack at level 7 and 13. Furthermore 2 prof points in a weapon give an additional ½ attack. Dualwielding gives 1 attack extra and certain weapons also gives more attacks. There's a hardcoded limit on 5 APR.
>>336402678
>What's the difference between dual classing and the multiclassing from later editions?
Dual Classing is human only. You start play as one class, then when you decide to dual class, lose all your abilities in your original class and start at level 1 in a second class. Only your HP and you saving rolls (I think) carry over. Whenever you gain a level, it goes into your second class.
After you gain enough levels in your second class to surpass your original class, you regain your original classes abilities. You still only gain levels in your second class.
2nd edition multiclassing is non-human only, with restrictions. (For examples, I think dwarves can only multiclass as fighter/clerics and fighter/thieves, and halflings only as fighter/thieves.) A multiclass character has both classes abilities at all times, but any XP they get is split 50/50 between both classes. Note that in 2nd edition, different classes leveled up at different XP amounts, so a fighter/thief, for example, will quickly become a higher-leveled thief than a fighter.
No multiclass characters can have kits for either class.
3rd edition D&D multiclassing is completely different. When your character gains enough XP to level, they can choose to gain that level in any class they qualify for. You can get an XP penalty if you have too many different classes that are two far apart in level, but aside from that you can totally be a level 2 ranger/level 1 bard/level 4 barbarian/level 8 cleric.
Granted, such a character would be terrible, but you could play one.
>>336403618
Why would you do cleric/mage dual?
You get max level cleric spells, then instantly lose them and become a level 1 mage.
I'd say multi works much better.
>>336403773
What's the reason for Imoen not being available?
>>336403424
>How does attack per round work?
You gain half an attack per round at levels 7 and 13 in warrior classes, plus you gain half an attack per round with any weapon you're specialized in. There's no difference between a Fighter and a Ranger's APR beyond their different XP requirements and a Cleric/Ranger will eventually catch up but it'll take awhile because they're not gaining Ranger XP as fast as a single classed Fighter is.
>>336403618
how powerful the end result is isn't really what I'm talking about
losing all your abilities is dumb, and the way it impacts different classes differently is dumb. also the way you can dual class out of kits but not into kits is dumb. it's just a big load of shit
>>336403890
She initially says she's too busy learning magic to focus on anything else, and then she gets sleep poisoned by assassins sent to kidnap you.
>>336403993
Specialization is two points so a ranger can get it, right?
>>336404097
Yes.
>>336383296
Polish VA is top tier though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA5weOF-mRY
I wish it would be as easy in 3E to multiclass as in 2E, but it completely destroys any spellcaster's potential if you try to go fighter/cleric, fighter/mage, cleric/mage or any similar.
There's too much reliance on prestige classes.
>>336404069
That sounds retarded.
>>336404052
>you can dual class out of kits
It doesn't really make any sense that you can do this. Kits are already specialised sub-classes. Suddenly disregarding this choice by shifting from, say, kensai to generic mage is ridiculous. It would make more sense that fighters could dual into paladins.
>>336404487
It is. She was casting 5th level spells by the end of my BG1 game and they suddenly have her barely able to cast Shield.
>Baldur's Gate is now the ADOM of the current generation.
>>336404376
Well no shit multiclassing is terrible when classes aren't on par with each other. It's a direct consequence of the fact that progressing spells and possibly class features is inherently more powerful per level than a level of Fighter or Rogue are.
Martials have no problem multiclassing like mad because not only are most of their features frontloaded instead of gained through level progression, damn near all of the abilities they need to function are spread across multiple classes, with Spirit Lion Totem Barbarian's level 1 access to Pounce so they're not fucked in the ass by the shit tier full attack mechanic being the most obvious one.
>>336404376
prestige classes are gay as fuck. I thought skills and feats would be how you choose what your character is like, within its class, but no, that class/skill/feat selection that looks like it's what you want is just straight up worse compared to finding the exact special snowflake prestige class
>>336404616
I will admit I have never played an RPG where you have to draw your own maps. Too casual for that.
>>336404616
I played the shit out of baldur's gate, but I don't think it's really good or anything
>>336404768
Worst part is that usually the PrC you want won't be in the game.
At least NWN2 has Eldritch Knight which trades bonus mage feats for more attack and health, but NWN1 doesn't even have a spellblade. I also liked playing as a cleric/mage, but no games have Mystic Theurge.
>>336404825I still have a folder with my pencil-drawn maps from my Fighting Fantasy adventures.
>>336404954
Mystic Theurge is an awful class that makes you borderline useless until epic levels and is still horrible due to most of the good spellcasting classes having different spellcasting stats. The only way to get it to work even halfway decently is with Archivist/Wizard because spontaneous spellcasters have shit spell progression and MT makes that problem even worse because you're now a level 8 character with level 2 spells.
>>336350020
Min/Max because it's expected, and there's literally no downside / restriction to rerolling until you get what you want. I don't even know why the rolling exists in these games.
I guess it's so you can intentially handicap yourself if you want a challenge.
Anyway, I wish metagaming and minmaxing wasn't pushed in games so much. It would be nice to just be able to play a game rather than worry about the extra 1% of whatever the hell gives you an edge.
>>336405353
Its not expected at all in BG. Games like AoD expect you to though.
>>336404954
it feels like the only time you'd want to multiclass normal classes is because you need to to get access to some gay prestige class. can't I just be a fighter/thief or whatever without being laughably suboptimal? what a shit system
>>336405582
>can't I just be a fighter/thief or whatever without being laughably suboptimal?
3E was literally designed to fuck you over for not optimizing because it was literally aimed at MtG, Everquest, and Diablo players.
>>336405582
The worst part of prestige classes are that the usually only offer some special feats, which could just as easily be available to normal classes. Why do I need to take a level as shadow dancer to get hid in plain sight? Couldn't a highly skilled thief do that anyway?
>>336405894
You could say this about half of the classes in the game.
>>336399293
>Wanted to play a neutral well educated mercenary type but almost every choice is more black and white
Classic Bioware.
>Gandhi's choice
>Hitler's choice
>(killed the fuck out Shandalar for teleporting us to Ice Island, lost 7 rep but it was worth it and he even dropped a Neutral Archmagi Robe) helps keep the party's rep just barely low enough that Viconia won't leave.
I love doing that. Dont forget the delicious 26k xp you get. Too bad you cant fuck his daughters to make the revenge more sweet.
>>336404052
Well you're welcome to your opinion. However literally everyone else in the BG fanbase disagrees with you.
>>336406562
I don't
>>336406562
That's a bold statement. I'm pretty sure a lot of people think dual classing mechanics are dumb, even if the result is an overpowered character.
>>336404825
I still have my drawn out maps for the old Gold Box Forgotten Realms games.
Especially my favorite, Pools of Darkness.
>>336406562
The system is undeniable arbitrary and shit. You can accept it and use for powergaming but doesnt change the fact.
Which portraits packs do you guys use?
I'm about to get started on the game but none seem particularly better than another. I know I hate the base portraits in BG1 though.
>>336406984
theanimeportrait pack
>>336406562
I don't get why a fighter dualled into another class still can achieve grand mastery in weapons.
>>336407042
Because they're mechanically still a straight-classed Fighter.
>>336407042
You'd have to ask the game devs. Grandmastery isn't part of the core 2e rules. It was introduced in an obscure side book.
Hell BG doesn't even do Grandmastery correctly.
>>336406972
Better arbitrary yet functional as compared to non-arbitrary but built to fuck over almost everyone.
>>336405353
It's a dilemma, if you make the game easy enough, people will optimize their character anyway, making the game too easy. And if you remove opportunities to min-max, the character doesn't matter much because you can't go wrong.
There's also scaling, but then the player will feel like the game being unfair, if it's always too hard, or pointless. if it's always easy.
>>336407207
Combat & Tactics isn't obscure.
>>336407341
It was also almost never used. Cause Grandmastery is kind of OP in its 2e incarnation.
>>336407552
The Basic rules for weapon mastery were better anyways.
>>336406984
Imake my own
>>336407552
I can believe that. Sarevok is a beast
>>336407651
You mean what was in the player's handbook? There's just proficiency and specialization? I always thought that way was best.
>>336407735
What does 2e grandmastery have to do with Sarevok?
>>336407734
I'm gonna do that for player but I was hoping there was a non-barf pack for all npc's so I dont need to try replacing every one of those by hand
I might if it comes to it though
>>336407273
Or you can just introduce a difficulty slider. A meaningful one, not just "double damage for enemy!".
More mob spawns, higher level spawns, caster pre-buffing and so on. Of course it takes more effort.
>>336407253
it's possible to have a game mechanic that isn't 3E multiclassing or 2E dual classing, you don't have to choose between them
and it's really not functional at all, it's garbage and you have to plan your entire character around it
>>336407854
maybe the fact that he has grandmastery in ToB
>>336408069
And? He doesn't have actual grandmastery since BG doesn't use it.
>>336407765
No, I mean the weapon mastery rules from BECMI/Rules Cyclopedia D&D. Despite how much /v/ faps over complexity, both Basic editions of D&D were much, much better games than AD&D.
>>336407897
Apparently SoD does that with higher difficulties changing encounter AI too.
>>336407897
SoD lets you take the increased and harder mob spawns from the higher difficulties but disable the double damage and all that.
>>336408161
Oh well I wouldn't know. I didn't start playing until 1st edition AD&D.
>>336408215
Yeah, that's a good thing.
Also good that we have SCS for the base games.
Is there anything else like that mod? I know Tactics Mod, but it's more of a mess rather than making encounters more interesting.
>>336408237
Yet they didn't add a checkbox for 100% chance to learn spells regardless of difficulty setting the same way they have Max hp on all difficulties.
>>336362596
In my ideal world, Evocation. In practice, everything *except* Evocation.
>>336408254
AD&D 1E is several years older than BECMI.
>>336408360
Divination is worse
>>336408335
Are you implying SCS isn't a mess?
>>336350020
Is there anything greater than a monk?
I just loved him. The older and lvlier he got, the wiser and mightier.
>>336362861
Have you tried Neverwinter Nights? It's a bit easier to figure out, and there's a lot of custom content available.
>>336408376
I know. That's why I said that.
>>336408514
I found NWN harder to figure out than Baldur's Gate because of the feat system and it's not as lenient with ability scores.
>>336408474
A Fighter, especially the Berserker. Good luck competing with someone who hits much harder than you, can make themselves immune to the only kind of magic that matters, and doesn't have essential equipment slots blocked off.
if you want to truly min/max without using dual classing
- assassin kit - thief class - reason: able to handle the dps while the team handles traps/locks. Nothing beats asassin in burst that can one shot almost everything. Gains access to the OP abilities that lets them use any weapon/armor/item in the expansion for true ridiculous powers.
undead slayer kit - paladin - reason: access to the best 2h weapon in the game, immunity to level drain. If you want you could have a priest cast immunity level drain or be forced to wear a certain necklace but fuck that, this way you can fuck 1/3rd of the games most dangerous creatures on their most dangerous attacks
inquisitor kit - paladin class - reason: fuck magic. With this kit you will rape any caster and spell defense and still get access to the best 2h in the game. Just watch out as it will remove your own buffs too if you aren't careful.
honorable mention
bounty hunter kit - thief class - reason: fairly weak at first, the traps you get later will literally break the game with their op damage and effects. The reason why this doesn't place even better is traps can't be placed in combat so if the game drops you into a live encounter (most fights) you will be able to use nothing.
One more reason to go with thief class is they have the best unmodded hideout. (fuck the empty sphere) You can make some big gold here and there are mods to further integrate non-lore breaking utility. Running your own thieves guild can be fun. Spehrefags are the worst but to be honest once you finish the sphere quests and the events it will sit like a one room wonder.
>>336359741
You are aware that dorf con usually ends up with a dorf having an entire additional character's worth of soak to go with all the tanking a dorf usually is class'd into compared to faggy elf retards.
I miss shields being an actual thing. Now it's just a Fucking ac bonus.
In ADnD you also could use your shield properly.
>mfw my dorf fighter cleric tanks an entire mob because tower shield cancelling 3 successful attacks per round.
The closest I've seen to actual tanking in an mmo is in Neverwinter. Where the fighter gets to use a shield to cancel dmg entirely.
Shame the game is so fucking shit.
Everything else I've seen has just been soaks.
>>336408634
You can just pick a simple build and stick to it, and starting to learn how to build better characters from then on. If you stick to single class, there's not much that can go wrong.
You can also play a module that's restricted to a single class, you will have much less flexibility, but less chances of messing up too.
Sometimes you can never know what the game wants anyway. Sometimes stuff happens such as, Weapon Master is a great class that focus on criticals, but most enemies in HotU are crit-immune for no reason.Or you specialize yourself in a weapon, but there is no weapon of that type for the endgame.
>>336363982
>yfw 3.5 made it possible to dex tank everything.
>yfw stoutheart halfling fighter rouge parrycounter character immune to everything
>>336409226
Dwarves really are the best race.
Half-orcs are a fucking meme race.
>>336409389
>If you stick to single class, there's not much that can go wrong.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>336376641
I like romances. They can be good for character development, and it's one more option for things to do in the game, which is nice. What bothers me, though, is how they tend to just sort of awkwardly end at a certain point, but the game continues on, and all your interactions with them after that are the standard neutral interactions that you'd still have even if you weren't in a romance. There should be more stuff like the flirt mods add, where you and the NPC actually interact as if you're in an ongoing relationship.
On the other hand, I do think "just friends" should definitely be an option. You shouldn't have to choose between going full-on romantic or being a dick to someone. I want to be able to be nice and care about the NPC without necessarily wanting to sleep with them.
Can someone recommend me good cleric and mage spells for ToB? I didn't really buy any scrolls in SoA but now I'm getting assraped in group magic fights.
>>336409205
that shit's all gay just use berserker
especially assassin, doing all that hiding in shadows all the time gets boring after 5 minutes
>>336364402
Priestmage for CAST ALL THE SPELLS!
thiefmage for sneaky gitz
Fightermage for not ultimate minmaxing munchkin bs. Whilst still being a powerful build (as opposed to kensaimage which we all know is totally broken)
>>336409717
Did you start with BG2? Are you that stupid?
>>336364480
Are you an idiot? Fightermage or kensaimage can solo the entire game ez modo
>>336407253
>built to fuck over almost everyone.
Yeah, because you cant do that with dual class.
>>336409865
I've played through BG1 before and I fail to see how that's relevent when I'm talking about higher level spells.
>>336409717
cleric spells are not restricted by anything but your actual wisdom so you don't have to worry about learning via scrolls. Just pick what is appropriate for the fights ahead.
as far as mage spells, several spells that lower spell defenses, like breach are highly recommended, followed by aoe spells and ocassionally keep a spell that kills summons.
magic missle never gets old, as chromatic orb, both are viable even at the end of the game.
I want a portrait pack that has cute girls but nothing that completely stands out from the rest of the entire game (like almost every single anime portrait pack in existence). What do I do?
>>336409934
Because you said you never bought spells.
>>336366484
>yfw total roll of 96 comes up
>>336409789
there are daggers that autostealth you on hitting something
>>336409492
You got that the other way around.
>>336410018
I never said that though. I just rarely did.
>>336409970
Change all portraits
>>336410075
Half-orcs are a meme race cause they offer literally nothing.
Dwarves have tons of great bonuses and are manly as fuck.
>>336367397
that restriction disappears in ToB
>>336409931
>implying you can
>>336409970
Make it so everyone in your party has anime portraits
>>336409915
>ez modo
>resting every 2 seconds
>>336410167
Dwarves are manlets that only manlet neckbeards try to self-insert as.
>>336409717
Cleric:
Protection from evil 10
Chaotic command
Death ward
Mage:
Breach
Stoneskin
Horrid writhing
>>336410063
how have I missed these? what/where?
>>336410278
Are you going to post a link or at least a source?
>>336410363
So what you're saying in a thread about min maxing is that Dwarf (the clearly superior race from a min/maxing stand point) isn't worth playing for an entirely out of game, meme reason.
>>336410441
>these
Its just one item. Dagger of the Stars in ToB.
Although it might be Tower with demogorgon that I forget the name of.
>>336369209
Not to mention everyone forgets how Tolkien old school dnd was. Elminster. Khelben. Etc have CON 18 DEX 18 etc to go with their casting gidliness. They're much closer to gandalf and almost 0 comparison to weakass caster meme started by Raistlin. (The charname invented to subvert the at-the-time trend for mages to be op at everything)
Muscle/fist wizard didn't use to be a joke. They were the norm.
>>336410396
Also holy smite for cleric
>>336410468
I've posted the link in every thread. It's not for every character though.
https://mega.nz/#!MZQjSQSD!5YUcEmqaxySYOvExHFyJpmbThXg0fjEInUU0nJFNyE4
>>336410219
keep trying
>>336410471
No I'm saying Dwarves are a meme race. Dummy.
>>336410586
I'll point out, Elminster and Khelben (and all seven of the seven sisters) have 25 con. 2e 25 con.
>>336410570
eh. lategame as fuck and only 15% chance
>>336410625
They really are the biggest meme race
>manlets
>good fighters
my sides
>>336409389
>but most enemies in HotU are crit-immune for no reason
Probably because of that retarded feat that gives your criticals a save vs death. Some modules counter that shit with crit immune enemies, others just nerf the feat.
>>336350020
>kensai
>10 int
No min-maxing to see here.
>>336410619
>implying
>you
>can
This isn't 3E, retard. Every class more or less functions out of the box and the stat requirements for dual classing ensure that you're going to be functional in your new class regardless of what was going on with your first one.
>>336410616
thanks
>>336410780
It's because undead and constructs are inherently crit-immune and HotU loves to throw both of those at you.
>>336410732
>>336410625
samefag
>>336410679
I thought mages don't get any benefit of CON above 16.
Or does Elminster's fighter/thief/cleric/mage/etc let him benefit from the auto-regeneration anyway?
>>336410991
Assblasted manlet detected. At least half-orcs being good fighters makes sense.
>>336411212
The autoregen takes effect whether your a fighter or not.
The only thing non-fighters don't get from high con is the hp bonus. They still get the save vs poison bonus, the high Resurrection survival chance, etc.
And they all have 25 con because they are Chosen of Mystra.
>>336411212
Elminster is bullshit anyway. He exists only to be that super powerful character to solve any plot. He does shit to help you in BG as well.
>He knew exactly what was going on before you did
>Didn't just kill sarevok for you
>>336378917
If its what i think, you dun goofed. That's part of crom faeyr.
Hammer of giant slaying belt of _____giant strength gauntlets of ogre? Power and scroll of crom faeyr = most of hammer of all time?
I think iirc fucking bg2 ruined it and turned it into mjollnir ripoff by making it upgrade from the hammer of thunderbolts or something.
>still haven't gotten it because too op. (Also why I don't get celestial fury for yoshimo, trivialises the entire game. Carsomyr is kinda ok cos twohanders stop u from using a shield so at least slightly less stupidly op)
>>336411440
Duh. He's the self insert for the guy that created Forgotten Realms: Ed Greenwood.
>>336411464
Giant hammer isn't part of crom feyr. The hammer you need is from the sewers and its a +3 warhammer of thunderbolts.
>fucking bg2 ruined it and turned it into mjollnir ripoff by making it upgrade from the hammer of thunderbolts or something
That's what it always was. It was never changed.
>>336350020
If you wanted to be realistic, you wouldn't play a woman on the frontlines.
>>336411639
Why not?
>>336411464
>Also why I don't get celestial fury for yoshimo, trivialises the entire game
I did a playthrough with assassin protagonist using celestial fury.
I think the highest backstab I've seen was around 250 damage, it was years ago though.
>>336411496
Exactly why he is such bullcrap.
I have no problem with the creator putting his character in, but you could at least not make him a gary stu ridiculous fest.
>I was rooting for edwin winning
>>336411767
You should have been on the old bioware forums.
People have gotten backstabs upwards of 800 damage.
>>336411767
I always play a stealth character in tabletop, never tried it in baldurs gate since I thought thieves were worthless besides find traps. Might try assassin out now.
>>336411727
Why not indeed, sweetcheeks.
>>336411867
I assume it was some bullshit like kensai/thief.
>>336411871
Besides backstab, traps are really good too, because they go through every possible immunity.
The only time your thief character will be really fucked is during those few story related 1v1 fights where you don't have your party. Potions of invisibility helps there.
>>336411998
kensai/thief is pretty bullshit, but it's also fun with just how OP it is at times. I like trivializing a game every once in a while. Kind of the reason why I sometimes restart with my high lvl mc.
>>336411998
I forget the specifics cause it really was years and years ago, but Sarevok dualled into thief wielding staff of the ram +6, giant str potion and other shit.
Backstab of like 800 with the occasional 200 Deathstrike or whatever it was called.
Another way was taking a high level thief, shapechange into an adamantine golem or something and then backstabbing.
>>336411871
it gets very tedious because of all the easy encounters you have to plow through. either you go through all the hassle of getting your protag to do a backstab, or you just have him do nothing, which feels bad as well
>>336412125
I always keep a potion of invisibility handy during every encounter. It's a nice escape card in case of random tpk. Lets me get out of there and get my party revived without game over. Although thats really just for a no load save run.
>>336412313
I use potions of invis to backstab more than once per fight.
>>336412234
That's a lot of cheesing. But you can see 200-300 damage hits normally when using a pure class assassin with a good weapon, without too much buffing.
>>336412241
What do you do against a bunch of enemies though? Just go for the high profile target and let the party handle the rest? It seems like enough tough enemies can ruin that build.
>>336412443
Oh well this was never about cheesing. It was about abusing the system to see just how high of a damage backstab you could get.
None of it was actually feasible during the game.
>>336412415
I never thought of that. Makes shadowdancer even more useless.
>>336412313
>Although thats really just for a no load save run.
I should do something like that once.
Honestly I quicksave before every fight and load if anyone dies, unless it's a hard fight like dragon where you can be expected to burn that rod of resurrection.
It makes the game boring at times, since there is never any danger.
>>336412234
>sarevok dualled into thief
it'd be nice if there was dialogue for when you try to dual him into a weak slippery coward class, he'd probably be mad as fuck
>>336412463
I guess don't have the backstab be the opening of the engagement, have your fighters already be engaged
>>336412539
Well shadowdancer was a beamdog class. So it was already worthless.
>>336412463
You can backstab multiple times per fight with invis potion, or using that ring of invis that gives you 3 uses per day for free.
It's basically BG2 Hide in Plain Sight.
>>336412548
It gets intense sometimes. Party member deaths are a hassle, sometimes being more convenient to pick up some other randy. You put your mc first though, running and leaving your friends for death if necessary.
No revivals is pretty fun too.
>>336412609
Huh, they actually put that into BG? I thought they only added shaman.
>>336412670
Not to mention, as a mage/thief multi or dual class you can abuse invis spells to backstab indefinitely.
Its the sole reason why Imoen has such a shit strength score.
>>336412752
Shadowdancer was added with EE. Shaman was added with SoD.
>>336409492
Exactly. Fighter cleric or fighter thief dorf has best fucking tanking without being broken, retardedly op.
>>336412609
It seems half decent, but it loses all value since your backstabs don't do shit. Even if you kensai for the max damage(which only requires one level realistically). In the end invisibility potions which aren't even too rare or expensive can do its job better.
>>336412757
You can't take assassin as your dual class though, while it is still good, you won't reach your full backstab damage.
>>336412858
>fighter thief
>tanking
wait what
>>336412970
x5 backstab damage is still enough to one shot most squishy targets though.
Personally I think assassin is dogshit. Because single class thieves are dogshit.
>>336413084
They seem pretty shit, but they have their appeal.why do you think so many people love yoshimo?
is enhanced edition any good, I heard it was shitty and fucked the music up beyond repair
>>336413207
I don't know about the music, but people say it's buggy, I have had no problem with it though. You can ignore the new party members anyway
>>336413169
They love Yoshimo cause his traps are awesome. Not because he's good at anything besides that.
>>336413324
Other thieves can use traps too. Plus other abilities.
>>336413207
I don't know about the music, but it's an ok substitute for modded up easytutu. not as good, but less hassle. obviously don't pay for it. the multiplayer works decently also
>>336413169
Because Yoshimo is willing and can dance on the head of a pin as well.
>>336413207
It is shitty. It fixes things that didn't need fixing and adds nothing besides some mediocre new content and easy widescreen support.
Just get BG2 complete, and get the widescreen patch.
>>336413382
Yoshimo is bounty hunter.
Bounty Hunter traps actually break the game.
Normal thief traps are good but not overly good.
>>336413454He is also good for breaking my hear
>>336410278
>elf
>beard
That's not an elf...
>>336410349
You don't rest every 2 seconds you fucking sperg. You stack memorisations of mage armour. Hold person chromatic sphere horror etc. And use one per fight. Mage armour plus shield plus ac6 bracers plus 18/19 DEX gives you something like ac -5 for hours. Mage armour is 1hr/lvl duration. Shield 1 turn/lvl.
Chromatic orb paralyses target for 15+ rounds or some shit eventually. Hold person and horror are aoe enemy only effecy. And SHOULD ignore spell protections because they're not targeted at the buffed person. They need freedumb of movement and protection from /resist fear to avoid being wombocombo'd.
tl;dr : fighter mage is awesome and you're a shitter if you are too retarded to play most op class combo
>>336413495
I'm not saying thief is best class, but they also are hardly the worst. They have more versatile kits then other classes.
>>336413618
more like you're a shitter if you don't just go berserker lazymodo
also soloing is for faggots whose definition of fun is incorrect
>>336413618
You're right it's Edwin
>>336413675
Yeah they do but single class thieves are worthless.
That's why, despite Hexxat having crazy stats and crazy abilities, she sucks.
>>336413740
I solo'd just for the hell of it once, it wasmehIt's not as hard as they say it is, but it isn't completely boring.
>>336413787
I just wish I could mage/assassin I might just have to clench my teeth and go mage/thief.
>>336413935
You can just set the kit with the save game editor.
I know it works for dual, not sure about multi.
>>336410732
Actually, fucktarded basement dwelling neckbeard, if you knew anything about fighting or had any training you'd know height advantage isn't necessarily an actual advantage in a real fight.
If you are taller and/or bigger than your opponent you have reach adv. Only.
You also get bigger blindspots and higher Centre of gravity.
Whereas if you are shorter the reverse is true.
Your Centre of balance is lower and your blind spots are smaller.
You have less reach.
>>336410732
Also forgot to say; a shorter person can get inside a taller opponents reach easily, and fight at their optimum whilst the taller person is handicapped.
>>336414025
The problem is I can't just go assassin/mage because I will miss out on the max modifier.
I might try an editor, I only ever play humans anyway.
>>336414036
Ooh, so that's why boxing tournaments are segregated by weight. The tall boxers must be scared of getting destroyed by the manlets.
>>336414205
You don't need the max modifier, everything that would be worth backstabing at x7 is immune
>>336350020
why is it only D&D retards who think like this? you usually don't see people saying "Yeah I made an Mage character in Morrowind and dumped all my points into Strength and Spears, it's just so much better for ~immersion~ that way :^)"
>>336414036
Yes the superior mobility and dexterity of the 4 foot tall man will surely lead him to victory.
>>336413013
There are two ways to tank dmg. Either you tank it by simply ignoring it or tank by avoiding it.
A fighter cleric in magic plate w magic shield can be outright immune to pretty much anything. So they'll stand there getting hit and nothing will happen. A fighter thief can have such stupidly good saves and dex based avoidance that they just never get hit.
And for both styles...
High con gives them a great layer of soak ANYWAY for the few hits that DO get through.
>>336414483
Because unlike Morrowind players, some people here actually have real roleplay experience, and playing a mary sue gets boring after a while. Every character should have a fault or two.
>>336414483
D&D players aren't even the worst about it. You should see WoD retards.
>>336414767
The small guy obviously didn't use his superior centre of gravity and smaller dead zones well enough.
>>336413324
>this guy never straight up dualled him to fighter as soon as you get him
Give fighter thief yoshi celestial fury and he'll happily murder everything you dislike.
>>336414770
I'm pretty sure a fighter thief avoids no more damage in 2e than a fighter
>>336414907
Until he's killed for story reasons.
>>336414907But I will miss him even more
Also don't call him yoshi, it means something different in his homeland
>>336414774
Being bad at your job isn't interesting.
>>336414036
no you're a neckbeard
>>336414774
it's not interesting in baldur's gate because nothing different happens. all you're changing is how good you are at the fights
>>336415056
Being perfect at multiple jobs isn't either.
>>336414774
thankfully I spent my youth playing good games (ie, not D&D) so I know there are ten million more interesting character concepts than "is a Fighter, but incompetent" or "is a Wizard, but incompetent"
>>336415235
This. Your stats aren't what make you interesting.
>>336414770
You are just wrong about this. Fighter/Cleric will be able to equip better armor without losing his class related abilities. Dex bonus is moot since a F/C and F/T can have the same Dex and thus same bonus. F/C will not only dodge better but he has access to spells that offer further bonuses/mitigation.
F/T is for abusing the backstab modifier with good str/thac0 modifiers and not being completely useless after his initial burst.
>>336415056
You don't have to be bad at your job.
A mage with maxed 18 intellect and low physical stats have to rely on his magical defenses to survive, and thus has a vulnerability.
A mage with 18 intellect, 18 dexterity and 18 constitution can have similar armor class buffed as a fighter with mediocre dex, and can even soak some damage.
>>336415235
Call of Cthulhu best tabletop rpg.
>>336415235
Or my personal favorite: The bard who is just there because bards are funny oh and by the way he's a horny fuck I mean just look at him he hits on anything even remotely resembling a female, wow this is an interesting character that hasn't been done before.
>>336415235
>not being a demigod makes you shit tier
It's like there are shades of gray, anon.
>>336415235
I hope you are merely pretending to be retarded
>>336415452
I don't know which side you are on the opinion, but the mc of BG IS a demigod, so there is a lore reason about his power.
>>336415083
Lel.
>my entire post was ripped apart and rebutted, I'll just call him a neck beard, i win again! My fragile ego that cannot handle someone else somewhere on the planet having a different opinion than me is once again safe!!!
>>336414767
>>336414223
Go be dumb elsewhere. The stupid is far too strong with you.
I said Real fights. Not entertainment modo constrained tournement faggotry.
And height =/= weight you fucking retard. Boxing has weight divisions due to muscle mass you idiot.
The 300 lb heavyweight boxer has far more muscle than the 125lb flyweight/featherweight.
Both can be 6'2".
Way to 'counter' my argument by saying something completely unrelated to it!
>>336415692
So what's a real fight for you if not organized martial arts? A street brawl with half-drunk people?
It's not like people fight with their fists in any real battle ever since weapons were invented, so I can't think of anything else.
>>336415692
>le real fight meme
Ok so if I was in a real fight why are we not using weapons? My knife is clearly superior to your low center of gravity fists.
Then again why even bring a knife to a gun fight to begin with if we are just escalating the situation to fit our argument?
>>336415879
Not him but I'll point out organized martial arts are anything but a real fight.
There's too many restriction in what your allowed to do to be considered "real".
>>336415879
Gee it's nice that you live in magic happy land in the WHEEEE! FUN! dimension that the only 'real fight' you can think of is drunken idiots going at it.
>>336415974
There are free style tournaments where you can punch, kick, grapple and so on. The skill level of professional fighters should be high enough that such pros and cons as that pathetic manlet is trying to argue with should be a major factor.
Yet they are all dominated by tall people.
>>336415452
you don't even have to be incompetent, I'm just saying there are better ways of differentiating two characters than "My mage has a high Int and a high Con, HIS mage has a high Int and mediocre Con. what unique and interesting character concepts we have!" D&D players have always (as far as I can tell from skimming threads in /tg/ about stats) considered your stat line to be the single most important thing in determining roleplaying, which is depressing as hell
>>336416132
>There are free style tournaments
And yet even those tournaments have restrictions on what you can do to your opponent.
>>336415903
>itbegins.jpg
Of course. You are batman irl. It all makes sense now. In your rediculous hypothetical universe bad things only ever happen to you after you have received sufficient prep and planning time...
>>336416062
So where do you live where people have life and death battles with their fists, but without using guns? A Jackie Chan movie?
>>336416207
>rediculous
>>336416194
Please tell me exactly which restrictions are those that completely negate your magical centre of gravity advantage.
>>336350020
>gender
>female
KEEP YOUR HATE SPEECH OFF THIS BOARD YOU SHITLORD
>>336416309
Hey I'm not that guy.
I'm just pointing out that martial arts tournaments are nothing like a real fight.
>>336416362
>2016
>the EE edition of BG STILL doesn't have a gender slider
Problematic af, to be honest with you my family
>>336416220
It is called reality. You may or may not be familiar with it.
You can be minding your own business and some methhead will suddenly chimp out. Or a cunt will decide to lose it and beat the missus/the kids and someone has to step in.
Not everyone lives in a pussified retardotron place where 'spectator' effect is tolerated and accepted instead of met with derision and outrage.
>>336416364
Yeah and real fights that randomly break out are nontechnical messes that favor size and brawn. Whats your point?
>>336416494
>some methhead will suddenly chimp out
>cunt will decide to lose it and beat the missus/the kids
That's literally a street brawl. Methheads aren't so different from drunken people either.
And then what. So you're going to stop some random cunt beating up her kids, and you will have an advantage over a tall person doing the same because of your amazing center of gravity?
>>336416520
Except a trained and disciplined practitioner can intervene in a situation and by the nature of their training will not be nontechnical derpery you profess all fights to be
>>336416896
I fucking knew it.
You're a manlet with fantasies of finally getting a girl by saving her from a guy beating her on the streets with your display of superior martial arts against the much taller than you opponent.
>>336416896
lol
>>336416769
Now you are being deliberately obtruse. The point being that IRL life is not an AI scripted event you idiot. And bad stuff can happen to anyone anytime. A trained fighter will exploit their natural advantages because otherwise they're NOT trained and are not fighters.
Just beat BG1 and feel like playing another class for BG2. Am I missing out by not importing my character?
Also, are there any essential mods for BG2?I'm playing EE because I prefer the interface.
