FUCK THIS GODDAMN GAME AND THE FUCKING 3v1 GANK SQUADS
EVERY FUCKING INVADE. THREE MOTHER FUCKERS AND THEY USE A FUCKING SEED
WHO THE FUCK DESIGNED THIS SHIT
>>336310340
Stop invading and put down a red sign.
i did
sorry
>>336310639
>fight club fag
Don't you have a subreddit you should be posting in or something?
>complaining about the seed
Maybe you shouldn't run away like a little bitch then
I'm usually playing with a couple friends. If we get invaded we usually let it be 1v1, granted its usually not against the host first.
Thats the best we're gonna give ya OP sorry.
>seed icon
>zero monsters killed anywhere
>gank squad waiting
just jump off a cliff, you lose nothing unless you're an idiot invading with lots of souls
now invading as a purple is real shit, you're giving away shackles and they don't drop for shit in the catacombs
>>336310854
The only advantage the invader has is gone so it's not it completely unfair 3v1 vs. estus chuggers. There's literally no way to beat them unlesss they're all fucking retards
>>336310847
Damn did I post on 4chan again? Sorry guys, I'll go back to tumbleddit land
>>336310340
Roll roll attack
Also pasta thread
>>336311037
>waaaaaahh it's unfair
>but when it was unfair in my favor that was ok
>>336310847
You said it, pal. That guy is way too lame to be posting in a cool place like 4chan.
>>336311179
There's nothing to the advantage to the invader. They already have lower health and half estus.
>>336311037
So don't invade stupid.
>>336310340
Are you actually encountering gank squads, or are you talking about encountering someone who summoned some help for a boss and you invaded?
People go human/embered/whatever because they want to summon help.
>>336310340
>not playing offline
You fell for the biggest meme of all
invade in places where people are unlikely to put down white signs like irithryll dungeon
>>336310639
good joke
>>336310340
>1on1
>invader runs to mobs and try to gangbang me
>territorial convenants like farron and aldrich faitfhuls will continue to call backups
Yea, why shouldn't I have a gank squad ready for you scums again?
>>336310340
>hide in the Farron swamp with an obscuring ring
>NG+1 with the seed active
>invaders getting murdered by crabs
>dont unhallow if you dont wanna get invaded
DONT INVADE IF YOU DONT WANNA DO 3v1 YOU FAGS
WHY ARE DARKWRAITHS SUCH BABIES IN DS3
>>336310340
You're invading someone else's game, you play by their own rules.
Is this seriously how everyone plays the fucking game..? With three goddamn phantoms spamming Estocs and Dark Swords.
Christ..
>>336310340
git gud
>>336311538
>Use white branch in Farron Keep
>Watch invaders run around trying to figure out where I am
>>336311574
this. a million times this
>>336310340
>WAA ME RUINING OTHER PEOPLE'S GAMES ISN'T EASY ENOUGH FOR ME
>>336311717
This is what upsets me the most, really.
I actually enjoy fighting ganksquads, most of the time when I invade a dude playing by himself I clap, drop him one or two embers, and just black crystal away once he picks it up. Most of the people playing PvE are new and not really used to the franchise so it's unfair to 1v1 them.
But sometimes I meet people with 2-3 other phantoms, just basically steam-rolling the level - can someone explain to me what's the point? Can you even say you're playing the game at this point?
I know some people enjoy playing DaS as a co-op, but come on, there's gotta be some self-respect involved.
>see people complaining about invasions being gankfests
>Finally get the game and decide I won't summon if I get invaded
>get nothing but invaders who wait for me to start attacking enemies or flee into large groups of enemies when they're losing to take a sippy and generally be annoying as possible
I said fuck it and started using seeds and summons. If you want to be an annoying shit I'll do the same.
>>336310340
Can we instead talk about how stupid Darkmoon Covenant is?
Literally the same as Blue Sentinels except they don't like Aldrich Faithful.
Whats the fucking point.
>>336311574
This. Gankers have always existed, even since DeS. I guess invaders don't really know how to play dirty.
They should add a permission to invade system:
>Invader uses Red Eye Orb
>A notification is sent to the player that is being invaded
>"Dark spirit _____ wants to invade you! Do you give them permission?"
>If you do, the player is given a few minutes to invite other white or yellow phantoms to help out
I think that would be fair.
>people take a game seriously where the "meta" is 3v1 ganksquads just spamming R1
>>336312147
The permission to invade system is already there, it's called embering.
sometimes i just want to go into a game a completely destroy that one guy who is alone and trying to beat the area with ember on. fuck that guy he deserves to die
Ganksquads are usually shit. Just parry the host. I win about 80% of my ganksquad encounters.
>>336311717
Not really, I've been part of "ganksquads" and you want to know what we are doing when we get invaded? Taking the host to the boss so they can progress and I can get a sunlight medal and yeah if you want to invade and get in our way you're gonna get steamrolled
Jolly cooperation and all that
Use it.
>>336312237
Nope! I haven't given direct permission to enter my game!
>in the swamp
>black phantom invades
>swampy covenant phantom invades
>3 way clusterfuck
>back up a bit they duel
>run in to help swampbro who missed every chance to double team me to duel with black phantom
>swing
>hit both
>both die
i am sorry samp-bro
>>336310340
DaS 1
>Literally no disadvantages for the invader
>"HAHA GIT GUD FAGS DON'T GO HUMAN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET REKT"
DaS2
>Can invade anyone anytime, *sometimes* has to deal with mobs
>"HAHA GIT GUD FAGS DON'T WANT TO GET INVADED DON'T GO ONLINE FROM WHERE'S MY ORB GIVE ME MY ORB ALREADY"
DaS3
>Disadvantages for the invader
>"FUCK YOU FROM WHY IS THIS GAME SO UNFAIR FIX IT NOW I WANT TO KILL THESE FAGLORDS THEY NEED TO GIT GUD"
>>336312243
I invade because I want to be a mini-boss.
Not to murder or ruin someone's game, but to give them a scary but winnable experience.
>>336312117
That's the spirit. They're here to kill you by any means so you should defend yourself by any means. Fuck honor purists. If an invader wants to have an honorable fight with me I'll fight them fair and square no bullshit. But the minute they chug, I chug. The minute they hide behind enemies I pop a seed. Kill or be killed.
>>336310340
git gud lol xD
hahaha git gud :)
>>336312292
I don't gank with hosts, I just try to help them with cooperation. I mean I'll protect hosts on the way to the boss from invaders, but I don't participate in ganks. I just let the host die or I kill myself if they want to squad it up for ganks.
>>336310340
>>336310847
What's with the hate against public fight clubs? It's basically the only way to PvP now and it's completely community driven. Is there some sort of cancerous shit I'm missing here?
I get summoned, wait one or two matches and then fight my opponent. Or if I host one I just walk around summoning my ass off and 99% of the time people know what's going on and abide by the 'rules'.
>WAAAAAAAH THE GAME IS UNFAAAAAIIIRRR
I'm enjoying every one of you delicious tears
>summon two other phantoms R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll estus estus R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 roll roll roll roll roll estus roll R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll estus estus R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 roll roll roll roll roll estus roll R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll estus estus R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 roll roll roll roll roll estus roll R1 R1
Some fucking PvP you've got here From
>>336312108
A lot of that I think is people rushing through areas in co-op so they can level more PvP characters.
This is how I did invasions the few times I tried.
So when I made a novelty build to play as a Lothric Knight (that also means no estus chugging or running to other NPCs) and got repeatedly shit out by gank squads I wasn't mad so much as I was demoralized. Being an NPC sucks basically.
>>336311524
HOW DO YOU GET SUMMONED AS FARRON WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BULLSHIT
I love this game simply because of these fucking amazingly delicious invaderfag tears.
Goddamn it will never get old.
I don't even play this game either, this shit is just fucking hilarious.
Give me more tears.
>>336312474
Honoraberr deurru fags are faggots.
MOM WHY DO THEY HAVE 3 PHANTOMS REEE fags are insufferable.
If you want to FUCK. SOMEONE'S. GAME. UP. WITH. NO. RISK. then don't expect a walk in the park you faggot. Back in DS2 I used to softban invaders and summon red signs just to ban them. Invading cunts need punishings.
my biggest problem with the game at the moment are the action queues, I don't remember it being this bad in Das 2 or Das 1
>>336310340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOVs6WjMrD4
>>336312726
>Back in DS2 I used to softban invaders and summon red signs just to ban them
DS2 players everyone
>>336310340
>muh ganksquad
Are you new to the franchise?
What's strange is I keep getting reverse ganksquads.
for some reason, I never just have one invader spawn. It's like my internet connection is borked and either I have long stretches with zero invaders whatsoever, but if I DO get invaders, it's always at least two within 15 seconds of one another. And they then gank the shit out of me while I'm busy noob-rolling in some PvE getup while they BTFO me with magic
>>336312292
That's not an actual ganksquad though. There are people that sit around waiting for invaders simply to crush them. I got summoned to a group like that once trying to do what you're describing. Wished I was a mad phantom so I could help those invaders kill.
>>336311538
>Stretch out in the deep water
>Knuckles + seed
>IF they find me, alt f4
>>336312402
Except souls games originally designed invasions to be trolling to the host, since you cant choose to not get invaded without giving up summons. If you flip the script then people will just stop invading and hosts will breeze through the game in boring fashion since there's no challenge in having an armada of summons clear everything for you. This kills the game.
>>336310340
I'm sick of you making this thread
You make all of us look bad
Get good or fuck off
A true dickwraith
You fucking nerd
NG+
Lothric Castle
Every faggot falls for the dragon breath bait. I've been doing it this entire day. And to be frank, get good. The fucking seed just stops you from running into hordes like a idiot, now you have to be a little smarter with baiting hordes.
>aggro hordes
>bring them to host and raff
OP is a fag as usual
>>336312708
Don't worry, I've farmed around 30 tongues from hosts today, so that's plenty more tears from people who were trying to get through the level.
>>336312842
I black cursed people and shit in DS1 online too, faglord. Invaders are scum.
Just did 15 invades in 3 different areas. Every one was at least 2v1. Probably 2/3 were 3v1 and one was 4v1.
I give up. Invasions in this game are utterly broken.
>>336312952
PC players, everyone.
>>336312893
>breeze through the game in boring fashion since there's no challenge in having an armada of summons clear everything for you
You're shitting me right? This was entirely possible since DeS
>>336312948
Congratulations on winning instead of being a little bitch about the game not favoring you.
>>336313018
I cheated in Demon's and DS1 on 360 too, homoking
>>336312989
Fuck off OP, stay away from Red Orbs and stay away from 4chan until you grow up.
>>336312726
>I used to softban invaders and summon red signs just to ban them
Nigger are you fucking serious? What's wrong with you?
If someone who disagrees with summons did the same shit to your autistic ass I'm sure you'd throw a fit, then why is it okay to use certain game mechanics only when it favors you?
Some people man, I swear to god. I just try to imagine what sort of family manages to raise a little shit like you and I can only hope time matures you as a person but I doubt it.
>>336312952
>People are this buttmad about getting invaded
>>336313115
This was my biggest concern with getting the game on PC. I would imagine the playerbase to be way bigger but I never had much trust in Fromsoft with multiplayer (save AC)
No complaints from the Xbone
>>336312402
The invasion mechanics were fine in DaS1. Invaders weren't purposefully gimped, but they didn't get estus whereas hosts could chug all day long, have summons, and drink estus to recharge summons.
Okay so I've been invading a lot lately, and
GIT
CREATIVE
Seriously, the odds are stacked against you, so use the advantages you have. You have surprise on your side, the environment on your side, plenty of sneaky items on your side, and enemies on your side. Play smart, not hard. Invest some points in Faith and get Force or Emit Force, or hell, use Boulder Heave. Nobody ever fucking expects Boulder Heave.
I just hate the entire fucking community after so many fucking 3v1 bullshit I just can't deal with it. The entire fucking community is a bunch of pansies that roll around every fucking level with a full crew spamming estoc and dark sword. It's pathetic.
What's the best way to grief and piss people off? Invasion or not, just whatever makes people's blood boil. I fucking hate them all
>>336312127
muh DS1 covenant
how to fix invasions:
dont tell the host they are invaded
>>336310847
>Stop having fun, stop it, stop it right now! Having fun is for REDDIT
>>336312989
Senpai you aren't very good at playing like scum, you have to use dirty tricks to win when outnumbered. Like using the hornet ring with a big weapon or a great bow + obscuring ring. If you're in a seeded world just lure the mobs to the host. It's all easier said than done but you can't just blindly rush in, it's easy to get cornered that way.
>>336312309
What's the use if all three are always within 5 feet of each other?
>>336313115
I didn't and don't ever summon people.. I just like invader buttrage because they think they're entitled to risk free no disadvantages invading to troll the host. Not on my watch faggots. Enjoy your ban.
Impotent rage is amusing. I question how long you've been here if you don't agree.
>>336313510
Malcolm please go
>>336313279
These delicious bumstung tears.
Fucking hell it's glorious.
>>336313279
Don't be a faggot. Be cool. Want to do something that always makes me feel better? Invade and fight. If you start to lose, run back into the enemies, and black crystal away. You've taken away a good amount of Estus from the host and its phantoms, and they don't get shit for killing you.
You may not get a tongue, but you get the satisfaction of knowing they will have a much harder time at the boss, and when they die, they will curse your name - I guarantee it.
>>336313279
Having a gank squad and trolling invaders that will go around crying that the game is too unfair
>>336312429
That's how I see it too, I have alot of fun invading and just preying on the host. One time I invaded in irythil dungeon and just camped by the 2nd jailer for a solid 10 mins while the host ran back and forth the bonfire trying to find summons or bait me.
It's just a shame there not that many traps in the game or hard chokepoints to capitalize on..
Nothing like the good old Sen's invasions
Maybe the silver knight archers but they're easy to run past
Swamp is okay but way too big an area to search in
>>336313279
Summon guys and then don't go anywhere
You'll waste the summons time and bring in invaders to get killed
Or better yet don't play at all you raging man baby autist
>>336313451
Seed + 3 players is literally impossible unless you're invading retards.
Is it bad I want to do a run just to use the damn Dark Sword before it gets nerfed?
>Invade in the catacombs with +5 fire thrall axe
>cut the bridge
> 1 summon dies to the skeletons
>host runs back to get another
>second summon drops from the side path and is immediately "forced" off the cliff
>"summoning failed"
>use chameleon and hide on the path
>host comes toward boss fog and I emit force them off
>hatemail arrived as I get my sunlight medal
>>336313279
I'm still trying to figure out the best way to troll people in DaS3.
In DaS1, it was
1) invading in sen's fortress and fucking with the host 6 ways to sunday
2) invading in anor londo and roleplaying as a 3rd silver knight archer
>get summoned for co-op
>Invaded by dark spirit xXxRainbowdash420xXx
>remember how shitty and unfun it is to play with or against gank squads
>sit down and allow a fair fight to occur, ready to applaud whoever wins
>invader sees me actively being a non-combatant and tries to get a free kill off me, even though they get literally nothing for doing so
>every single fucking time
Never again. Invaders deserve all the misery they get and more. Enjoy the ganking faggots.
>>336313510
Oh boy, another "4CHAN IS LE INTERNET HATE MACHINE" faggot. PROTIP: No amount of self-righteous fuckery will ever fix your shitty life.
>>336313590
It's near improbable to win those but it's not impossible. What's certain is that you can make the host and phantoms waste estus and resources if you play smart. If you can't win you might as well annoy the hell out of them.
Why can't they just get rid of the dried finger cooldown reset? That, plus make the cooldown longer for each invader you kill. That'd make everyone except gankers happy.
>People who don't want to be invaded and are legitimately trying to beat the level become increasingly safe from invasions the more invaders they kill.
>People who want to invade are less likely to invade worlds that have already killed multiple invaders, which would usually be gankers.
>Ganking becomes less practical and enjoyable since they would have to wait an increasingly long time between each invasion.
>>336313547
Malcolm would summon people just black curse them and make them sit for like 3 minutes before finally dying. I never did that. I only fucked with invader scum.
>2 Watch dogs invade
>run back to bonfire
>engage in a quick battle on that mountain path
>jump down to the water
>I have Silver Cat Ring :^)
>both die
>receive 2 hate mails at once
top ramen
>>336313604
>>336313626
Chameleon + force/emit force with a talisman near a cliff is always amazing
>>336313604
obscuring ring + firelink sword in the catacombs is so much fun, cut the bridge or if they take the other path you just use the weapon art on them
>>336313646
Shit like this makes it really, really easy to say that most of the people complaining about invasions are retarded. In that scenario there was literally no benefit to the invader doing that, but the retard did it anyway instead of playing smart. I bet he complains in these threads.
>>336313853
I want to try this. What area you talking about?
>>336313753
My life is great. Drinking the tears of autistic "muh sanctity of the game" faggots is part of why it's so great.
>>336313905
classic
Sen's funhouse was GOAT for invasions.
>>336313910
I just wish the drake sword would have made a return. Same arte as the firelink sword but faster regular r1/r2
>>336313953
the first bonfire in that swamp area where the watch dogs invade constantly with the 2 giant crabs
>>336313948
>>336313646
The counterargument here is that the invader doesn't actually know that you're a "good guy" and willing to sit the fight out.
There have been so many times where a sunbro has appeared to be neutral and not interfered, and then rushed up behind me for a backstab when it got down to the wire.
There's an inherent mistrust and some people are just used to automatically targeting the summons so they can go after the host afterwards
>>336313963
By far one of my favorite invasion spots aside from new londo and tomb of the giants
>>336313279
Find somewhere with deep water, farron keep or the area just outside of irithyll dungeon will do
kill as few monsters as possible, then knuckle and seed
use the stretch out emote in the water, preferably under some lilies or something
Go eat a nice hot meal while invaderfags either die or give you free souls
For bonus points, put on way of the blue and giggle while the blues get gang-raped by invaders
If they do find you, alt f4
>Do work for the Mound Makers
>Summoned into a 3v1 gank
>Grapes and fingers engaging in jolly cooperation
Feels great gankspanking the host after his entourage is dealt with.
I always summon as many people I can when I get invaded, just for these threads.
>>336313646
invasions are a no rule battle nigger.
every side plays every card they have.
if you want le honor duel go to a fight club, its not that hard
>>336313853
kek. People are ridiculous.
>sunbroing around on my NG+ playthrough
>having a good time
>my rule is that to clear an area I have to have helped at least one host through the entire area
>crucifixion woods becomes a bit of a hurdle because of watchdogs
>run into an invader doing much the same as you
>doing substantial damage to him in the chase so I get tunnel vision
>see him jump off the same edge
>he survives, surely I can to
>die like a jackass
>brother that was watching tells me about silver cat ring
>laugh because I was out fucking played
>>336311260
Matching range and normal enemy immunity retard
>>336314150
Fair point, I just think it's worth the risk to see if they truly sit it out or not. Just be extra careful of your surroundings in that kind of situation. Not easy but invading isn't supposed to be.
>>336314348
The host is capable of having 2 phantoms with them, 3 if they have way of the blue. They're also capable of using the giant seeds, making mobs attack invaders as well. I love fucking with invaders, but they don't have much unless two other enemy phantoms invade as well man.
>>336314345
the best part is if you die from falling your plunge attack doesnt even get through unlike when you trade hits and one party dies
silver cat ring is a golden gift
>summoned to a 4on2 in front of two Princes
>literally spend what felt like an eternity chasing two reds across the balcony
Wow, so fun
>>336312402
Thread should have ended here.
>>336311524
>in law enforcement
>see this
Holy fuck 10/10 would partner with and overtime with
Post music you listen to while invading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0pIjJLbxI
invade with farron or Aldrich if you want fair fights. You usually get 1v1 or 2v2 and sometimes even 3v3
>>336313054
Babies starting with DaS as their first game are shitposters. Who knew?
>>336314626
>not being mad that she probably sucks at her job and sucks the captain's dick on top of that
>>336314628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul0YbD1AIeE
>>336314628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XmDYJBZZdc
>>336314628
what the fuck is that song
>>336313054
Nearly no one summoned in DeS. I have hundreds of hours in DeS PvP, and maybe 1% of invasions were not 1v1
>>336310340
The people that designed this.
>>336314628
>Attila
Good taste friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBvgEmCD1x4
>>336314959
>implying that wasn't an extreme bug
Show me another webm of this happening ever.
Favorite stories of invaders doing dumb shit?
I was summoned last night by some guy who was invaded by a purple, while I'm still doing the stand up pose and invincible the grape spends all his stamina trying to attack me and can't defend himself at all once I regain control
>Not using the greatsword of judgement
>Not using hunter charms
>Not using pyromancies like forbidden flame to fuck with backstab fishers
>Not kicking the shit out of people with the horse hoof ring
so I understand that the weapon matchmaking in this game is +/- 2 of your strongest weapon. But does that go the same for unique weapons that only go to +5?
I.e. If I had a +5 dragonslayer spear would I be able to stay in the range of a player of someone who only has a +3 long sword?
>Waaaaaaah I'm put at a disadvantage when I forcibly halt someone's progress in the game :'((
>>336315185
No, unique weapons are doubled. E.G. +5 would have you play with +10 players.
>>336315042
Your game isn't perfect.
Stop being so fucking assblasted.
Chalice dungeons are a fucking chore and you have to practically get to the end of the fucking game to unlock a pvp covenant. Let's not forget how broken blood tinge is and how people love to use flamethrowers and that fucking cannon in pvp.
>>336315029
>RoS
Fucking top-tier right there. Them and Impending Doom were the two bands that got me into the heavier shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXm8mlpQ98A
>>336315294
It's not perfect, there's plenty of flaws. Framerate is a big one, and those launch loading times were unforgivable. But come on, pointing out a rare bug as a serious design flaw is past nitpicking and you know it.
Chalices are a chore but optional, you don't even need them for PVP. Bloodtinge fags blow ass and it's agreeably broken. Cannon is easy as piss to dodge.
How the fuck do you guys deal with r1 spammers? I'm pretty decent pvper, but as soon as someone starts wildly swinging a broadsword, it's like I lose every bit of that
>>336315643
Hit that parry button and hope for the best. It's hard to do it consistently, but then again I have Nigerian internet.
>>336315643
If 1v1, roll away, parry, etc.
If 2v1 and up. Literally nothing. You just die.
>>336315643
if you have a weapon with stomp
L2(stomp) into R2
on the other hand that works too if your opponent tries to parry
works for me pretty much everytime
>>336315643
Black flame, parrying, or hunter charms.
Or just get a shield with 100 physical block and poke with a halberd or a spear.
Iron flesh is a good way to strike back, but it leaves you wide open, and forbidden flame is a great way to fuck with people that go for backstabs.
Alternatively, get something with bleed and make them back off.
>>336314628
>not posting the music video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLYoJgbybes
>>336314628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7rq0QB0RA0
>>336316059
this is gold
>>336312147
Are you serious.
>>336316648
Clearly not. Calm down Carl.
>>336311812
Is wretch kyle an npc? He invaded me a bit ago in the archives too.
Why do people take this shit so seriously? I know full well when I use that orb I'll either be ganked or lag backstabbed. Cooping bosses is where the fun's at.
Keep trying redman
>Be Aldrich fag
>Get summoned to some asshole named "Fat Dog's" world
>He's running around in full Havel's, because of course he is, with two other phantoms, all with Havel's shield, and dark swords.
>He's used a seed and is purposely not progressing in the level.
>Get ganked and die quickly
>Think "Whatever" and keep playing
>Get summoned again half a minute later
>It's the same fucking guy
>This continues for about an hour
I eventually just had to take off the covenant because this dude just wouldn't fucking stop ganking. It was the same fucking dude, and there wasn't shit I could do. I tried a different tactic each time, but him and his asshole brigade would just chase me down and R1 spam me to death in seconds no matter what I tried to do.
>>336319414
synchronized swimming.webm
>>336319414
>still using blue baby covenant all the way till Grand Archives
How the fuck did that kid even make it to GA if he still has that covvy equipped?
>>336319879
>all weapons I see now are Yhorms great machete, DS' greataxe, dark sword, and estoc
Even DaS2 pvp was better than this croc of shit. Phantoms helpers shouldnt be able to use estus when theres an invader.
>>336319414
Fahkin cawps
>>336314628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkysjcs5vFU
>>336312582
>not adding in a couple of desperate L2's and R2's
>>336312127
>Literally the same as Blue Sentinels
Yeah, both never get summoned lel. Seriously though, have anot her character made with around 16 hours and I've had the blue sentinels equipped the entire time as soon as I got it and haven't been summoned once.
>>336312147
I hate being invaded and even I think this is retarded.
>>336314626
>Law enforcement posts on 4chan.
>>336314348
you are retarded
>>336311303
what the fuck else is there to do after you beat the game, the world is linear and Ng+ adds nothing
Invaders should just take a break and be on the other side for a bit. both sides can be fun as fuck but you gotta take a break from both before you rage.
>>336321375
what do you mean "even DaS2 pvp"? DS2 PVP was undoubtedly the best of the three games, it had fun systems, excellent weapon choice, fun magicks, and some interesting rings. it was the most fun i've had out of the three, not to mention the fact that it has several dedicated arenas for inter- and intra-covenant duels, and other arenas like the rat labyrinth.
the fatal flaw to it was that soul memory would fuck your matchmaking tiers, but that doesn't mean the pvp itself was bad.
>>336314626
>Law enforcement
>Females
>Willingly having anything to do with them
>>336316059
What the fuck is this.
>mfw when stacking three twinks in farron keep before the ladder to the third bonfire
>destroy anyone that invades our world
when will you people ever learn?
>>336310340
>why is my opt-in no-loss attempt to set another players progression back skewed in their favor waaaaaaaaaah
>>336310639
>summon a friend
>summon you
I love arranged gank squads.
>>336323867
I'm triggered just by watching this.
>>336313853
how did you get cat ring that early?
>>336310340
Everyone in this thread is trolling the OP, but if you look at the current meta of invasions, it's fucking broken as fuck. There should be a mechanic built into the game that prioritizes people that have summons to be invaded. This would bring multiple invaders into the world more quickly.
This is what the game needs. It is broken as it currently is. The gank squads are ridiculous.
>get invaded
>spend about 10 minutes watching this asshole strafe and roll away
Hey, buddy. I just want to get back to playing my game so hurry it up will ya? I'll even give you the win.
>>336314628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3uAkYeQH_s
>>336324286
>There should be a mechanic built into the game that prioritizes people that have summons to be invaded. This would bring multiple invaders into the world more quickly.
the mechanic could be there, but as you can tell when summoning phantoms sometimes only 1 in every 10 summon attempts goes through for whatever reason. you can program it all you want but if the network doesn't work 100% it's all for naught
>>336312127
It would've been perfect if they still kept sin feature in and have dorkmoons hunt sinners while blue sentinels protect bluebabbies.
>>336313646
When I co-op with my friend, the rules for when we get invaded that I follow are as such (I almost always take the duels);
- I won't chug if you don't
- I won't allow my mate to interfere unless you start being a chickenshit and run to hide in enemies or pussyfoot around like a banana-head
- I will fight a fair fight with no bullshit if you will
>invade in the very beggining of irythil, after the bridge
>it's two guys
>one of them bows
>aproach to fight him, the other guy surrounds me an start attacking
>back off, they refuse to move
>run all the way to pontiff
>afk, go meet with a friend, eat a burger and have a drink
>come back, i'm STILL invading
>search a bit, they're now at the little swamp area
>once again after they see me they refuse to move, pretend to have an honoraburu 1 on 1 and try to surround me
>leave and hide near Pontiff for 10 more minutes
>HOST OF EMBERS DESTROYED
nice pvp from
>>336311037
>The only advantage the invader has is gone
You have everything to gain, the host has everything to lose.
Why should you have the advantage in the first place?
>>336324879
>the host has everything to lose
>one fucking ember
>>336324376
Yes this is also a problem but I think it boils mostly down to the amount of people playing and summoning and simple network latency. There needs to be a higher refresh rate to reflect what summon signs are down. I notice they refresh almost always after you attempt to summon and fail. For some reason, I don't think they adequately took into account that the sheer number of people that would be sitting in one area attempting to grab summons.
Still, I think this is a much lesser issue. If getting summons were really a problem then it would be opposite and players would be getting invaded twice and having no one to help, but it is very noticeably unbalanced.
>>336324972
>ember
>dying and losing not only progress but potentially souls
>if they fight they lose time and get nothing if they kill you
back to demons souls pvp builds with one shot dinker builds
>>336325298
If you just wait for the invader by the bonfire he'll come fight you there.
Everyone is so tired of 3v1s i haven't seen an invader who wouldn't take a 1 on 1.
The ember HP advantage is still huge.
>>336325457
I don't even play these games online anymore since it only makes the games easier and pvp is shit anyway, so it's not me you should be saying that to.
I simply said that the host has the most to lose, which is true. So invaders crying over losing the advantage they had is dumb.
>>336310340
Stay mad, bitchmade pussy
>>336325632
>since it only makes the games easier
You don't have to summon people.
>>336326037
>You don't have to summon people.
Signs and bloodstains.
If you now say "you don't have to read them" then I ask you, why even be online?
>>336324226
That's typically how triggers work.
Ganks are fine when they're not premeditated but don't you fucking dare wait around with 2 or 3 or other chuckefucks and wait for invasions.
>>336326163
>Signs and bloodstains.
Why the fuck does this bother you?
To me those things have always been part of the flavor of the game.
>>336323867
>painted nails
>keeps brushing the dirt off her hands
>crouches at the speed of a beached whale
>is a whale
>barely knows how to hold the gun
Why is this allowed
>>336310340
then don't invade others' games, you griefer fishing fagget
>>336326037
This. But people do. The first time I played this game I played it differently than I feel a lot of other people did. I'd get to the next bonfire and see summon signs everywhere, and I was like huh... uh... why are people putting summons down here?
To me, a summon sign has always been a sign of "you're going to need me right here lets just get to it" or that they'd just straight run me to secrets that I wanted to discover on my own. I'd only ever summon phantoms when I found a fog wall.
>>336325632
They lose an ember and progress, which counterbalances the bonus HP and summons rather meagerly.
Reds need to get their souls back from where they died as well.
Host only has something to lose if they are getting their bloodstain.
Just equip the hornet ring and smash that fucking parry button when they all start flailing at you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZJ7z5xEgg
WHAT GANK SQUADS?
WORKS FOR ME LOL
>>336314348
>Matching range
What? The invasion range has ALWAYS been skewed in favor of the host. For example, Watchdogs or Aldrich Faithful can invade people that are up to 40 SL above them, but only 10 below.
>>336314959
>There are shitters that hasn't figured out how to break from grabs all this time.
It's what? the 5th game in the series? Jesus christ.
>>336326348
>Why the fuck does this bother you?
Because I don't want to ruin the sense of discovery by reading a bunch of messages telling me everything or bloodstains that can literally show me players dying of traps.
At its core these games are SP games, so I started playing them as such since the online elements add nothing.
There are still signs, invaders and shit offline anyway.
>>336326428
>Reds need to get their souls back from where they died as well.
Why would you invade if you have souls you don't want to lose?
>>336326259
>but don't you fucking dare
>>336325632
>the host has the most to lose
That's irrelevant because they opt into the online by using an Ember/summoning phantoms. They are choosing taking the risk of invasions for the benefit of additional health or extra phantoms
>>336310340
Im more upset that poise does nothing, and a covenant reward, a listed armor stat, and a boss weapon do jack shit as a resuilt
>>336326783
It doesn't necessarily do nothing, we just don't know what it does.
Might as well complain about poison weapons or bleed infusion while you're at it because those are useless as well
>>336326974
I will.
Because fromsoft either learned fucking nothing or they rushed ds3 horribly
They also fucking refuse to communicate with their playerbase
>>336310340
no ones forcing you to invade other people
uninstall bidio game
>>336326974
Enough poise makes you not get staggered when you're hit during the recovery frames of a roll (though it's weight that affects how many recovery frames you actually have).
It might also influence the perseverance ability.
In normal circumstances poise doesn't work, a great club and dagger will both stagger you even if you're wearing the heaviest armor in the game.
>>336324879
You don't. It's a host with more health and up to 2-3 phantoms, which is enough to make any encounter or boss in the game a cakewalk. 1-2 invaders balances this and makes it a bit harder for them, but it's still clearly in the host's favor.
>>336327062
I doubt they rushed it, they're probably just incompetent. I mean anyone who plays the game for five seconds could tell you that poison is completely worthless in both PvE and PvP just from a numbers perspective. And yet they left it in the game as is. That's not a time constraint since all they had to do is increase the number, or make the weapons inflict toxic, or have it scale with HP, or have it scale with luck, or change any of number of values that would have been easy to fix. But they didn't
>>336327165
This. Heavy armor and vitality are worthless stats in this game as of now.
PVP is literally fashion souls while maintaining fast roll.
>>336327329
Dont forget that heavy arnor barely gets you more absorption than light or medium
>>336327269
Its just Japanese retardation then
>>336327329
>vit is bad meme
It significantly increases your defense and allows you to equip heavier weapons or carry more options. Literally all they did was transfer most of the defensive value from heavy armor into VIT. It's the same fucking thing
>>336326776
>That's irrelevant
It's not irrelevant because the invaders are crying about fairness and the host being able to turn the enemies against them with seeds.
>>336327491
Vit gives you like one more point of flat reduction per point, if that.
Its only useful for using heavy weapons
even free2play pay2win games I played in the past have better pvp than this, why even bother
>>336324286
That mechanic literally is there you retard. That's why there's so many people complaining about the 3v1s.
People who summon phantoms are much more likely to be invaded.
In order to be invaded by multiple red phantoms, a host needs to use the Dried Fingers.
>>336327571
Fairness isn't the point; the game shouldn't put invaders in an impossible situation. Seeds existed in DaS2 to give the host a way to deal with invaders who were abusing mobs in a 1v1 scenario. They're not really necessary in DaS3 because the host already has a myriad of advantages in any invasion scenario.
Invaders can literally get thrown into a 1v4, where the host has 30% extra health and double the amount of estus, where the phantoms can estus, and where they spawn in the middle of a group of powerful enemies that attack them. A 1v2 is challenging; a 1v3 is extremely difficult; a 1v4 is borderline impossible; a 1v4 where the host uses a seed and you spawn in a particularly bad position is not a situation that any player could ever be expected to succeed in.
I like the way they arranged invasions in DaS3 and I don't mind ganks, but seeds are excessive on top of the matchmaking rules.
>>336327329
>implying it ever wasn't
>>336327963
To be quite fair, it was much worse in DaSII.
In DaSIII, the worst problem is that invaders almost always invade people who have phantoms.
But in DaSII, hosts would have 12 Estus, 99 Lifegems of each type, 99 of the other healing items of each type, Seeds, and then the invader only had 10 minutes to kill the host
>>336327893
>In order to be invaded by multiple red phantoms, a host needs to use the Dried Fingers.
Precisely, and why the fuck would he if it stacked the odds against his favor?
>summon 2 white phantoms for help
>use dried finger so he gets invaded more
pretty sure this isn't whats going on.
>That's why there's so many people complaining about the 3v1s
People are complaining about invading and getting ganked by 3 white phantoms, not hosts getting invaded by 3 red phantoms.
>>336310340
>In previous souls games everyone hated getting invaded
>All the invaders felt like badasses
>Told them to deal with it and git gud
>Now the person getting invaded has the advantage
>Invaders crying like bitches since they're at a disadvantage now
Become proficient
there is one way to fix this.
Make invasions random so the system wont prioritize gank squads.
>>336328112
I think there is a misunderstanding going on here.
In Dark Souls III, using the Dried Fingers allows you to summon one more phantom, but then get invaded by a second dark spirit.
>parry dagger withmail breakerand crit rings
everyone does the same shit, it's so easy
>>336312309
How do they get 10 tongues if they get gangbanged
>>336328295
IIRC you can farm tongues off darkwraiths, they just rarely drop
>invade
>3 phantoms
Cheat Engine time.
>>336310340
>he didn't get his own behelith
How does it feel to not be a chose one, nerd?
>>336328179
>In previous souls games everyone hated getting invaded
Nah, fuck off. Invasions could be a ton of fun from either side. Even when I could lose a ton of souls, it adds such an interesting element to a level that I'd never wish it gone. It's a great addition to the game, especially when Souls games are designed for multiple playthroughs.
Gank squads offer nothing interesting to the game. They exist to waste the time of an invader by throwing them into nearly unwinnable odds, and an easy unsatisfying victory for the ganker. Even if you want to demonize invaders as assholes, at the very worst an invader is someone who gets their kicks out of springing a devious trap on the host and their phantoms. A gank squad gets their kicks by making an unfair encounter and racking up easy kills. It is purely a detriment to the multiplayer.
>>336314348
>normal enemy immunity retard
Only a true retard is too retarded to call someone a retard, retard.
>>336328069
>But in DaSII, hosts would have 12 Estus, 99 Lifegems of each type, 99 of the other healing items of each type, Seeds, and then the invader only had 10 minutes to kill the host
True, but it was also much easier to punish or prevent Estus than it is in DaS3. I would routinely kill hosts before they could heal because the animation took considerably longer and didn't heal instantly. Even if they got the heal off they would often still die to your punish.
That's the whole point with Souls PvP though - it isn't fair for either party. In DaSII (without a seed) the hosts could heal but the invaders could use the enemies. Who has the advantage? The answer isn't clear because it's inherently imbalanced for both sides. Sometimes the host simply wins a war of attrition due to their ability to heal and the invader feels like the system fucked him over. Sometimes the invader enters a world where the host is already getting carved up by a particularly powerful enemy, and just jumps in for an easy kill.
Seeds in DaSIII remove the only advantage the invader has ever been given. I appreciate what From was trying to do - they want to make invasions as chaotic, variable and unpredictable as possible - but the fact is that getting thrust into a world with four players and half a dozen enemies immediately on my ass is a situation where it is impossible for the invader to succeed.
>>336328471
>being a faggot
>not being an annoying dick
You are the cancer of the PC player base
>>336311387
My Nigga, gotta build that pvp setup offline first
>>336310340
It's not ganking if they're co-oping dude.
I have yet to be summoned from a red sign into a gank.
If you're invading expect it retard.
>>336327165
Actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCiVg5HqWLg
Poise preventing you from staggering after a roll is just a rumour based on poor observations. Poise does categorically, actually, absolutely, really, totally, literally, completely, fully, and definitively fuck all.
>never invaded in a Souls game before
>decide to try invading in High Wall as a sunbro
>think I'm gonna be a cool guy invader who doesn't fuck over the host should he be in the middle of a fight or something
>end up doing shitty ambushes almost exclusively because literally EVERY invasion was a three man rape squad
When I managed to get the squad down to one or two the game became fun, but jesus fucking christ is it painful getting there. I feel like going ember form and popping a dried finger just to balance out this retarded matchmaking system.
I made a character, got red eye orb, fire chi, and a small leather shield in under a half hour. I ganked low level shits 20 times in a row, died just once to 4 people waiting on top of ladders. People bitch way too much. The fact that I can get a red eye orb so damn early is awesome, and a parry can still one shot basically anyone. Also if you cry about dark sword/Estoc spam you are nothing but a shitter for getting upset at this games drakesword.
>>336329221
>this games drakesword
What? The drake sword was only good in low-level PvP. The estoc and dark sword are widely considered to be two of the best weapons in the game at every level range. People are still invading well into NG+ with those things
So I've finished seigwards quest line already and I'm doing greirats. I've sent him off to irithyll but talking to patches won't prompt him to ask me where he is? Do I need to beat a boss or something?
>>336329221
>ganked low level shits
wow_its_fucking_nothing.png
>died just once to 4 people waiting on top of ladders
Now imagine that being the norm for a lot of people, and you'll understand where the complaints come from.
>>336310340
If you're a purple invader, you're an idiot
>>336329604
Why's that?
>>336329604
>invade as a mound a couple times
>phantoms literally suicide into my attacks when the host runs out of estus
>kill one of the phantoms by accident and get booted out
Yea, purple invasions are shit.
>muh honorable duel
Kill yourself.
>>336329395
I fucked it up but a friend said Greirat just came back and said Siegward saved him. I think.
My Greirat died because I investigated that well the first time but didn't get a prompt even though I had met him at the tower. Like I remember trying to look down it.
>>336329783
>muh carebear squad playing the game for me
You people disgust me.
>>336329221
>estoc stun locks everything
>the game has no poise
>therefore it is a weapon for which there is no defense
>why are people mad about this lmao?
The Drake sword was just kind of a thing you grabbed early game for easy mode if you were trying to B-line items real quick for a certain build and not some great PVP weapon. The estoc is literally a starting weapon. Admit it, estoc is broken.I don't know anything about the Dark Sword though. Should I check it out?
>>336326386
>barely knows how to hold the gun
You are being too generous.
>>336310340
>he cant win 3 on 1
Git gud
>>336310340
Use magic
>>336312127
I thought they fucking fixed this? I still can't be summoned for shit.
Granted I'm SL 90 with a max level weapon getting ready for invasions in NG+. But still.
>be mound maker
>invade a world
>host and 2 phantoms
>waiting to ambush them
>rosaria's finger invader
>runs towards me to make sure I'm friendly
>we see the enemy
>he shot arrows at them while i tried to sneak up on them
>they end up running away
>i run back to another spot
>rosaria's finger just decides to back stab me and finish me off
>mfw
>>336330828
>Chameleon after Pontiff
>Get disguised as statues that aren't even in that area
>>336331112
lel. I literally did this 20 minutes ago. Did you invade me senpai?
>>336331112
You should use obscuring ring. It's must have for INT.
>>336310340
I think they should let invaders see red soap signs in the host's world so he can also summon phantoms.
I mean you don't really know where you'll spawn in the world so you'll have to look for them too.
>>336311717
Yes. Also heres what 90% of them look like.
>>336310340
Why is this still happening? Stop being such babbies, the whole idea of invading is the challenge, if you want 1v1's with fairness place down your fucking sign, I'm loving the gank spanks galore in this game.
Ok this is the best fix that can happen.
Let the gank squads style be. That's fine.
But there should be a timeout for hosts to resummon. See? Easy.
>>336328435
>put red summon down at pontiff while equipping Rosaria covenant
easy senpai
>>336330828
>a russian lagging people to death
how surprising
>>336312726
You must be very happy in your life and enjoy it.
heres a hint, its clear your miserable.
>>336331334
>the whole idea of invading is the challenge
For the host
>>336312726
>referencing DS2
dropped.
>>336331465
>sliding host
>invader fault
Are you from 2000 or what? Russia has one of best internet in world.
>>336331162
No, it's just something I've noticed. I've given up trying to chameleon there as a legitimate stealth tactic.
>>336331230
Which is shitty since magic damage is already so ring-dependent. I wear the obscuring ring, but it's not nearly as fun as a chameleon ambush.
>>336331334
That's right lad, enjoy your challenge while enjoy the free souls you idiots give me and my estoc homeboys, maybe I'll use that money to buy myself another estoc, you know what I'm sayin?
>>336312708
But i dont get butthurt and have "invaderfag tears" even when I get ganked by 500 people at once.
So you sitting there jacking off thinking every invader acts the same, thats sad.
>>336310340
I lost all faith in invasions when I after big struggle killed some guy the host had summoned only to have the host just summon him again 10 seconds later. Having the host be able to infinitely summon while being invaded is ridiculous.
Anyone else think the rolling in this game makes the pvp laughable?
I mean I'm here running around trying to his some guys and all they do is roll for days.
Even when I dash up and try a quick attack the invincibility frames sucks their cock.
>invide as farron fag on lvl1 character
>host is cheater but fucked up something with script
>he rum with a speed of sound and can't dodge mobs that run as fast as him
>almost kill him 3 times
>he is sick of this shit and spam special lightning axe attack
>get oneshoted
HOLY SHIT that was bizzare and funny at the same time
Where all the Ornstein and Smough gank cosplays at.
what the fuck are the things in the sky at lothric castle
>>336313273
I see you have no idea what the seed of giants is
>>336331854
should of thought of that before trying to kill people.
>its a "the invader comes into my world and then runs away from me" episode
500 combined hours in these games and it never fails to make me mad
>>336331825
Good luck with your R1 spam against my L2 caestus spam, just know, if I get a single one you're dead as shit.
>>336331750
>sliding host
>webm is from the invader's viewpoint
hurr durr
>get invaded
>start to win fight
>invader makes a b-line into mobs
>thinking i'm going to chase him
>instead of clearing the level
>>336332258
Just do what I do, pop a seed and watch some youtube vids while waiting
>>336310340
>Why can't I just invade someone and kill them easily, waaaaaah, waaaaaah
Git gud.
Just invade as a purple you fucking faggot. If you see "kill host or 2/3 phantoms" you crystal out. Otherwise, you kill a phantom or host. Mad phantoms don't have to deal with endless fucking summoning hosts, because killing phantoms actually matters.
>>336332298
>your R1 spam
>he thinks i'll be fighting on the front line with my estoc crew
I'm so sorry, maybe if you'll get lucky you'll make it to me at the bonfire
I just want bell tower back, das2 pvp was so much better.
>>336332332
wut
>invade host with 1 phantom at Archdragon Peak
>phantom rushes in with his Washing Pole and promptly gets parried to death
>host runs away
>pops seed of giants
>proceed to pull the entire level to him
>laugh as he pulls aggro from the snake monsters and dies
>>336332381
>invader starts fucking you in the ass as soon as you attack mobs
>>336332381
Honestly, I'm pleasantly surprised when that happens.
>Invade someone
>Host and 2-3 phantoms
>Here we go again
>Have little hit and run skirmishes throughout all the mob groups in the level
>Finally get to one area that's past the boss or a detour from the boss
>"Host has entered a critical battle..."
>Oh they were actually trying to play the game, alright
>>336310340
good, get btfo. learn to play the game. how about you respect that some people only want to play singleplayer/co-op and none of your forced le epic pvp bullshit? fuck off kiddo, you want pvp you go play cowadotty, it will be right up your alley kid
>>336332612
Not an issue mate, just be sure to seed me so I can bring the whole crew too.
>>336332258
Maybe they just want to explore other worlds.
Is there even a point to equipping the Roasaria covenant?
>Sunbros give Sun Medal
>Mound makers give Sheckles
>Aldrich gives Human dregs
>Every other covenant gives Pale tongues
Is anyone else having a glitch where you fail at summoning someone and then every sign fails instantly, you can't place your sign(but the animation still happens) and you can't rest at the bonfire?
>>336314628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgk60nHCvcM
>>336332804
Do be honest, one-two 60Int mages with obscuring ring in gank squad will rape all invaders. Its not even fair. They can farm reds/purples/aldrichs for hours. Literally
>>336332804
Sure, I'll throw you a bone and seed, I've already cleared all the monsters in the level anyway. Maybe you can chameleon later in the level next to some dead mobs for a sick ambush, too?
>>336332970
Yeah, this happened to me but with a red eye orb.
>get into road of sacrifices on new character
>forgot i was embered
>get invaded rapid fire by wolfies
>oh great
>beat up on one of them and of course he runs away until the crab is attacking me
>go to the ladder
>they all eagerly start attacking me but they all fall right off the edge and die
and then i killed myself because fuck this shit
>>336332970
yeah. when a summon fails wait until the rest option becomes available again before trying to summon again. i think that stopped it from glitching out forever.
WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF DRIED FINGER IF THE HOST CAN SUMMON A GANK SQUAD AND ANY INVADING RED CAN HIT EACH OTHER?
WHAT KIND OF A TROGLODYTE THOUGHT HAVING 4VS1VS1... IS A GOOD IDEA?!AND THEN THE FUCKING POLICE ARRIVES,SOMETIMES FUCKING 3 FOR 1 INVADER,WHAT THE FUCK?
>>336333086
the cancer of souls games
might as well just turn on cheat engine
>>336333202
>police
>he isnt invading as Mound maker
Theres your problem friend
>kill host and phantom at 85 SL
>get like 2 souls for the whole endeavor
Aight.
>>336333086
Yea it's pretty bullshit.
>>336333090
Don't worry, I'll just wait for another invader to pop in.
Can someone shop the "good luck, im hiding behind 7000 skeletons" image to have a Host of Embers saying "im hiding behind 4 phantoms"
It's great that invaders are getting worked up about people having fun with their friends in co-op.
>>336333086
>be twink mage in halfway fortress with obscuring ring+untrue dark ring for max stealth
>wait till the go down the hill far enough for the bitch boy host to be guarding towards the swamp
>fire off a crystal spear that wastes him and one of his phantoms in one shot
Fug I love being a mage twink, its so satisfying stealth nuking diaper boys who need an unnecessary amount of phantoms.
>>336333303
You still get Sentinels as a grape, that doesn't really change anything.
>>336333303
The bitch boy blues enforce the law on grapes too anon.
>>336310847
Only bad thing about the fight clubs is its almost always a bunch of faggots wielding the largest cock they can get their little hands on because they have shit footwork and need to have a weapon that can two-shot you from a mile away.
Then they come here and shitpost about how broken straight sword are every time someone manages to break through their bullshit.
>Invaded the world of host of embers rolling simulator 3
>hides behind a phantom
>kill the phantom
>host rolls and runs around the bonfire summoning phantoms
>can't hit him and when i do he heals
>lloyd has a short reach and long wind-up
>nothing to do while the host keeps summoning the same fucking guy 3 fucking times
>>336311379
Nigga I saw a nigga with 2 phantoms just to run undead settlement. Now that shit is just sad. I died but I killed both his tryhard phantoms.
>>336334031
I always sent blue boys back to home. Delicious. Especially when they fight against red.
>>336333915
>mages are suddenly the cure to cancer in Ds3
It only took them four games
>>336331301
>think the dark sword is cool looking and like the moveset
>cant use it or everyone thinks im a shitter
>yet they are all greatswording
what even
>Faggots that can't gankspank
lmao
Do you guys think that once all the casuals have been carried through the game. We will get less 1vs4s?
>all these fucking faggot NG+ hosts who won't skip cutscenes
FUCK OFF
YOU'VE SEEN THIS SHIT ALREADY
>>336312127
>had blue sentinel on
>didnt get summoned ever
>finally do some invading
>fucking blue summons ever time
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>336332612
Im really disappointed that the evangelists don't drop their book for an offhand book bashing.
>>336334492
No fuck you.
Deal with it.
>>336312172
>people bitching about "spamming" r1
>in a game where r1 is the primary attack
LOL FUCKING COD PLAYER JUST SPAMMING R1 AND FIRING HIS GUN WTF
>>336334567
My time is worth more than yours.
Skip the goddamn cutscene if you have phantoms.
>>336334419
>2v1 instead of 3v1 or 4v1
>No Seed of a Giant Tree
>They followed you into an area with enemies
That's not even a gank. That's the kind of encounter invaders wish for in this game.
>>336329113
what movie is that?
>>336334636
Can you even skip cutscenes you 'see for the first time' in NG+?
>>336334687
You can skip any cutscene regardless if you've seen it.
>SL 35, +2 weapon
>can't get watchdog invasions
fucking really
>>336334387
Mages are strong in BB after TOH patch. RIght now in DS3 you need 60INT, 3 fuckin rings and stupid crown. But still you will suck cocks, because same FTH setup deals much more damage. And
>9VIG
>>336334742
You're 15 levels too high.
>invade some dongus and his two phantoms in Lothric
>all using darksword
>have yhorms greatshield + lorian's greatsword with target shield in 2nd left slot and hornet ring
>block a few hits with yhorm's, then quickly switch to target shield for a parry and riposte instakill
>manage to do this to all 3 in succession
Kinda felt like a dick, but you'd think they would have figured it out.
>Get invaded by one guy.
>Keep fucking his shit in.
>A single R1 from my weapon is enough to break his block.
>Second invader.
>Get killed because two reds lol
Yeah fuck you OP. I don't see you complaining about the flip side of this bullshit.
>>336334742
+2 with a scale or twinkling or regular shards? Because if it aint reg you got the equivalent of a +4 reg weapon, and considering how fucked that covenant is you arent getting anybody any time soon.
just undead hunter charm, it made all the difference every time I used it
>invade as Aldrich Faithful
>host is on his own
>another Aldrich invades
>he stands to the sides and watches me and the host fight
Why are you not attacking him, you cunt?
What's the fucking point? Why are you trying to act like you have honor? This is a fucking invasion, not a summoning.
Or worse.
>invade as AF again
>host has a sunbro
>mad spirit invades
>goes after me instead of distracting the host or the phantom while I fight the other
>end up twanking the shit out of him with the zwei
>end up killing the host's sunbro too
>host disconnects
Faggots.
>>336334418
>greatswording is being a shitter
How the fuck is using a GS being a shitter? If anything theyre crippling themselves with a weapon that uses twice the stamina for half the speed and same damage as a straight sword. Not to mention its a parry magnet.
>>336335008
>GS
>parry magnet
>rolling and chugging are absolutely unpunishable
>all attacks have such minimal recovery that they are also unpunishable
>if you try to take the initiative and attack first there is a 90% chance of getting caestus parried into hornet ring OHK
>only opportunity to hit an opponent is if they are retarded and completely whiff an attack
If you invade as a Warrior of Sunlight aren't you more likely to appear in a world with other invaders?
Is magic remotely viable in this game? I tried it out and it seemed really shit in a 1v1 pvp setting.
Either way can someone give me a build with the rings/items you need because I can't find one anywhere.
>>336334873
This
Also furfags play in a low level area. If you're above SL 25 you aren't gonna get shit for invasions.
>put red sign down after pontiff
>guy who summoned me is in full Havels with Havels shield, 2handing it
>blocks every attack, no damage
>am using the swordspear of the nameless faggot
>switch to unarmed and just wail on him, thinking he's just joking
>pulls out a sword and just R1 spams
>fine, I switch back to spear and itty bitty falcon shield
> try to parry, but get hit and he keeps switching back and forth from shield to sword and back again
>I'm at low health and this fucker is still at full with perhaps 30dmg
>he goes in for the last hit, I parry that shit ON POINT
>RIPOSTE
>HORNET RING
>100 dmg... 900+DMG
>INSTA KILL
>GET WRECKED FAGGOT
I then turned off the game to go and fap to one of the most beautiful parries I have personally done.
>invade
>3v1
>kill the 2 phantoms
>host is on panic mode rolling like crazy
>runs to the boss fog gate
>summons another 2
>kill these 2
>summons another 2
>seed
>summons another one
>Papa Smurf, the mound maker
>place prisms
>put pile of shit at the end
>black crystal out
Got a few people to laugh I hope
And one dorkmoon to cry
>they chase me down the path
>they corner me on top of my own pile of shit
>they stab me and kick me off a cliff, killing me instantly
>they pick up the shit
>anor londo archer hits them and knocks them into the abyss after me
>>336332258
I know right, why would they run away when they can get swarmed by you and your 4 phantom buttbuddies?
>>336335008
>>336335050
Greatswords are parry magnets.
>Why can't I gank anymore MOMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Fuck you faggot.
>>336335054
>rolling and chugging are absolutely unpunishable
TALISMAN THAT SHIT
>>336335059
Magic is useless in pvp. It is ok in pve if you like spamming great heavy soul arrows.
The rings are the dragon rings and magic clutch. With dusk helm and candlestick in offhand.
>>336334869
Because the flipside is so rare it doesnt matter. The reason they took advantage of you is because they dealt with so many gank squads they stopped giving a fuck.
>Friend uses password and summons me into his SL 20 game getting invaded in Lothric Wall
>mfw even scaled my SL 125 pyromancer 1 hits people
>mfw to be an extra dick I upgraded my estoc to +10 and chaos infused it
>>336328673
This.
I appreciate asymmetrical balance for the host and invader parties respectively. DaS3 just fuck this up entirely with the only redeeming aspects over DaS2 being no SM, invaders having a reliable healing source outside of magic, and having a Red Eye Orb of course. At the end of the day though, it's not saying much.
>>336335380
Oh so it's OK when they fucking do it.
It's OK when the malicious pieces of shit that invade me team up because they don't like being teamed up on when they invade others' worlds.
I don't even fucking summon.
>>336335349
abysmal tracking and incredibly slow animation make it unlikely to land, and even then they can just run or invincibly roll away until it wears off
>>336335059
It gets better as the game goes on, when you start to get more powerful spells and INT gets higher. It's a lot easier to dodge than any melee attack, so it's not as good in 1v1 PvP, but it can do some heavy damage. For rings, you'll probably need the Sage's ring for casting speed, then the Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring and the Magic Clutch Ring for damage. Then you can either equip the Young Dragon Ring or something more situational (Obscuring Ring, Silver Cat Ring) in the last slot. Be sure to have a Scholar's Candlestick. Dusk Crown is an additional 10%, so you can decide if looking like a ponce is worth the damage boost.
>>336335054
>unpunishable
I get what you're saying, you mean unpreventable.
But unpunishable? You'll easily get a hit on them, potentially even stunlock them for a bit.
Be more fancy with Lloyd's talismans, or just chug yourself and win the skirmish again, and again, until they get sloppy or run out.
>Invade in Irithyll all day as finger
>Ganksquads all fucking day
>End the evening trying out Aldrich Faithful's
>7 dregs in 30 minutes off of people freshly high off of their Pontiff kill
>Hardly any phantoms at all
I don't even want the covenant items. It's just the only way I can get some invading without getting the cops called on me or walking into a room with two sunbros and a host using a great bow.
>>336335479
I appreciate it.
And as far as the build goes you want to get 60 int and 35 attunement right? Faith doesn't matter like it does for pyros?
>>336335008
>same damage as a straight
Come on, at least TRY. They have to hit twice, maybe 3 times.
>>336334419
>using giant weapon that hits everything
>skill
>>336334869
>>336335450
>Don't summon
>2 invaders
Either you were in a covenant invasion zone, which is a pretty small portion of the overall game, or you were using a Dried Finger and therefore asking for it.
If you don't like human invaders and you don't summon, play offline or kill yourself when you get embers. It's not their fault that you refuse to use the whole point of being embered (summons) to your advantage.
>>336335450
Thats what happens when the other 99% fuck shit up, they see you as a treat for being bent over by semen ghosts and their necromancer pimp.
You can cry all you want but you're the 1% effected by every baby having their hand held by a group of 2+ phantoms with plenty of sunny D to drink.
They always remember not to cross the street if there are mobs.
>>336332242
what are you even talking about? that has nothing to do with what i said
>>336335172
>thinking landing one parry for an instant kill is balanced
>>336335605
>hit twice maybe 3 times
Bullshit Ive had to hit some fag with a +10 Guts sword more than 5 times which is the SAME amount it takes to kill with a Straight sword/katana/estoc, its not my fault your vigor a shit.
>>336312667
Be level 34 and >
>>336335858
>Could have always missed it and died, he could have seen it coming and not attacked, many outcomes could have happened, but for once it worked in my favor. He could have switched to a small shield and parried my spear, instakilling me
>>336310340
>put down sign have 1 v 1 duel without estus
>use red orb get gank squad inc
its simple really anon
>>336335302
Farron is UGS. Shittiest one
>>336310340
If you seriously think you being shit is the games fault maybe the game isn't for you, you whiny bitch.
Is dark souls 3 pvp really this bad?
>>336335450
>2 invaders
Nice lie
>>336336006
Until every baby gets carried through the game, yes. Until then its gank squad after gank squad with plenty of summons to choose from for hosts.
>>336312127
>let sunbros invade with red orbs
>they get their medals
>don't let half the actual invasion covenants invade and get their rewards with them
>>336336118
Can you play dark souls without the pvp?
>>336335541
I'm no build expert, but 60 int is the number I hear, and yeah faith is useless unless you want pyromancy. 35 attunement seems high, though. I use a lot of Ashen Estus on my magic character, so maybe the lower FP never bothered me as much, but I never felt a reason to go to the softcap. But if you've got points to spare, I don't see why not.
>>336336006
It's pretty abysmal honestly in my opinion.
I'm doing high level pvp pretty regularly and it breaks down usually in one of 2 ways 1v1.
>1 person is using a fast weapon(Estoc, Dark Sword, Katana etc) and the other is using a big weapon (Glaive of some sort, Greatswords/Axes etc). Person 1 spams R1 and person 2 also spams R1 hoping to hit with hyperpoise
>1 person has a fast weapon and the other also has a fast weapon. They both spam R1
>1 person has a slow weapon and the other also has a slow weapon. They both spam R1 hoping to land with hyperpoise.
>>336312402
>DaS 1
>literally no disadvantages for the invader
So you started with DS2 then? The host had access to 20 estus sips, while invaders had to farm humanity, which wasn't that easy until the end of the DLC, and it still took a shitload of time.
>>336336195
Just play in offline mode. However if you ember up there is the scripted NPC invasion every other zone you have to contend with.
>>336335491
>You'll easily get a hit on them
Not everyone uses katanas, since that is the only weapon that can actually "punish" estus with the running r1
>>336336291
How are they getting that much distance from you? I think that's your problem. I've never used a katana.
>>336336291
>mfw half health back up to make them think Im chugging
>mfw I baited them into a parry
>>336336220
you forgot
>both people have a caestus and the hornet ring, the first one to attack instantly loses
>>336336435
Oh yeah you're right.
>Both people spam LT trying to land a parry for an instant kill
Forgot to add that.
It's pretty pointless honestly, boring as fuck. It's much more fun low level and doing random invasions. But high level 1v1 pvp was never particularly fun in souls game as I recall.
>there were people who unironically said that DS3 had better PVP than Bloodborne
>>336336006
Pretty bad. Sometimes you'll get the occasional player who's only using their ember as extra health and didn't summon anybody, but most of the time, expect phantoms.
Now, to be fair, some of these people are just playing through the game with their friend (being carried or taking turns doing the area), but still, as an invader you should expect to be outnumbered in 4 out of 5 invasions.
They may be shitters, but there are more of them than there are of you, and nothing is stopping them from spitroasting you with Run-R1'ing estocs or uchigatanas and calling more back up. Add in Giant Seed and all of the advantage lies in the host side.
Is this good or bad? Who the fuck knows. I'm too tired for that argument right now.
>>336310340
Give yourself the ability to curse people with cheat engine, use that on the phantoms and then kill the host normally.
>>336336409
Because rolling twice from any attack is a free, 99% safe heal
>>336314628
https://youtu.be/kAuYSuPBbUQ
>Guy invade me while i'm soloing
Alright buddy you'll finnally have that 1vs 1 invasion like you all want
>i wait for him in an open area
>he arrives and keep trying to bait me into aggroing monsters standing afar
>Use a seed to stop him from doing that and stand back in the open area to let him come without aggroing anything
>He black crystal out
For fuck sake i couldn't have been more fair to this dude, i didn't even use the seed top fuck him up , only to stop him from trying to reverse ganksquad me
>>336336541
It does, dumb frog poster.
Bloodbornes PvP was the most pointless and worst pvp of any of the Souls games.
>HURR R1 SPAM NONSTOP
Bloorbored fags are so annoying.
>>336336541
In terms of frequency and duration, yes it is better. Especially since you cant farm incredulous amounts of estus to pop like blood vials to make a fight last around 30 minutes.
>try and get summoned as a blade
>nothing. ever.
>test out way of the blue to see if anyone gets summoned to me
>its the same 3-4 guys over and over again
why is this?
>try to fuck with someone
>get fucked with in return
>>336336648
Japan's small internet infrastructure being a crutch for shitty online components, maybe.
>>336336643
You get about as much Estus as you do blood vials, and Estus recovers more HP.
>>336336648
More Moons and Blues than Way of Babies, anon.
You get WoB way early in the game, but the next covenant you get is LMAO PRAISE THE SUN. How many retards do you think immediately switched to being sunfags the moment they got the chance to and never looked back?
>>336336605
There is nothing worse than a fucking invader who runs away 1v1. It's so pathetic and it never fails to legitimately piss me off.
>>336336617
>Bloodbornes PvP was the most pointless and worst pvp of any of the Souls games.
I don't think you played BB pvp.
>>336336605
Why would somebody go and waste an opportunity for a good clean fight like that
>>336336541
>someone invades
>get attacked
>lose health
>attack them back and regain your health
>they attack you back and regain their health
So good
>Tons of fucking weapons in the game
>Only like 5 of them are any good
Is it even possible to "git gud" as an invader? If you're going up against shitters constantly how can you improve?
>>336336617
>r1 spam nonstop
>as a counter argument against Bloodborne, and for Dark Souls 3
Hah, you're not serious, are you?
>>336336858
Never thought I would miss WHEELS and *unzips blood* but here I am.
>>336336858
Was that supposed to be a good example of the PvP?
>Faggots in edgy trench coats spamming circle and R1
Bloodbornes aesthetics and cool weapons are fucking top notch but the pvp was a joke.
>>336336928
R1 spam is a technique that shitters use in DS3 and is easily punishable.
R1 spam in Bloodborne was the overall meta and pretty much the only thing to do.
So hah, I am serious you stupid faggot.
>>336312952
HAHAHAHAHAH
>SOMEONE IS GONNA MAKE ME KILL IN VIDYA, PLEASE TASUKETE!
Does using the trainer get you banned? Because I've only seen like 6 faggots hacking after 50+ hours of pvp which surprises me.
Can someone knowledgable tell me what's the point of black magic? I only see downsides
>>336337080
>Faggots in edgy trench coats spamming circle and R1
>R1
Confirmed for PCkek. You should at least google weapon moveset.
>>336336864
Yes, because that's totally how it works, two guys exchanging one blow a piece. You can't comment if you didn't actually play the game, faggot.
You can only regain health for a few seconds, and only the most recent attack. So if you get hit more than once, you can only regain the last hit you received. There was no such thing as endlessly trading blows to regain health.
>>336310340
That's what you get for invading.
>>336337214
>B-B-BOOGEYMAN! PKUK LOL XD LE GOLD FACE!
God damn go hang yourself you stupid nigger.
>>336326037
You don't have to invade either
>>336337214
You do realize that this game is on Xbone, right?
>>336337080
Nah, r1 spam is THE meta in DS3.
Weapons actually have functionality in Bloodborne and aren't just weeaboo bait moves like Weapon skills in DS3. Using other buttons with trick weapons is the superior way to play, and r1 spammers get hammered for it.
>>336337297
>doesn't know about parry in BB
>doesn't know weapon moveset and call everything R1
>>336310340
I'll never get tired of scrubs complaining about this shit. I'm fucking Dickwraiths 4 Lyfe and this butthurt autism is just great.
You are invading to murder somebody. Why you fucking dumbasses feel the need for this honorubu bullshit is beyond me. Just fucking kill him. If he's got butt buddies then abuse every glitch, mob, and OP bullshit that you can lay your hands on. Don't play by these fucking Reddit honorfag rules. Cheat like a motherfucker. Run away and heal. Be a massive dick.
Why the fuck else would you invade?
>>336336806
>>336336862
To me it's quite simple ,if an invader tries to be a cheeky cunt with monsters and traps I summon 2 people
You want to use your advantage despite the situation being equal? Fine i'll use mine
Come back when you actually want to fight
>>336337386
Except that movesets do matter in Dark Souls 3 like the Black Knight Glaive that has a near 1 hit combo. There was like 3 weapons in bloodborne worth using and minimal variation in builds.
>>336337463
Oh how could I forget to mention the SIMPLY EPIC spamming of the faggot guns in Bloodborne desperately trying to get viscerals! Truly deep man!
>>336331334
>>336331825
These might be some of the funniest pics ever
>>336337617
>abuse every mob
They'll be attacking you, if the host hasn't killed them already.
>OP bullshit
Which at least 1, if not all 4, of the host and their phantoms will also be using.
>Run away and heal
Which they can do, twice as much as you, in addition to phantoms who can be resummoned with full estus.
>Be a massive dick.
They're doing a much better job of it than any invader ever could.
>>336337681
Lies. Dark Souls 3 movesets mean fuckall.
Even with the small amount of weapons in Bloodborne, there are still more viable weapons in the game. (Unless we are counting every version of the straight sword)
Where to farm souls? In endgame?
>>336337832
>he didn't create a number of characters and boss soul duped his way to lv 100~
>>336337681
>There was like 3 weapons in bloodborne worth using and minimal variation in builds.
Dude, you don't even know BoM moveset according to this post >>336337080 But feel free to name your "worth using" BB weapons
>>336337170
It softbans you or whatever you might call it. You can still play online but only with other cheaters.
>>336336862
You would be surprised how many people black crystaled on me when they realized I used a seed
I got Invaded above the old wolf in farron keep, near the stray demon
I was like fuck I don't have any estus, so I seeded to make sure the invader doesn't use the demon against me and stood on the other side of the bridge
We fight ,he takes damage, IMMEDIATLY run to the demon to chug estus, get wrecked and black crystal right after running away from him
>>336312402
>>Literally no disadvantages for the invader
>no estus
>white phantoms
>boss fog
Why are people so dumb?
>>336335858
then the end of the story would be
>100dmg...500dmg
>he gets up and spam rolls away
>chugs back to full
>i want to shoot myself in the fucking face
how do you suggest parries to be then?
>>336334094
footwork doesn't make a niglet of difference with the fucking abysmal netcode
even if you're familiar with the length of your enemies weapon, and you KNOW he can't hit you from where you're standing, it's too risky to trust common sense, because of the sheer amount of phantom hits
there is no "footwork" involved in r1 spam
r1, r1, follow roll, r1, r1, follow roll, r1 r1, follow roll
So, is Bloodborne online still active? I'm buying a PS4 next month and wanna know if it's worth getting PSPlus aswell.
>>336310340
>get invaded have way of blue because I'm a nice person
>bluecuck comes in
>redcuck uses crystal
Why are invader cucks allowed to escape?
>>336338292
parries are a shitty fucking mechanic to begin with but making them an instant kill just ruins pvp by being an extreme punish for attacking ever
>>336313807
I second this.
>>336313564
Mah nigga. I literally do this. If you can't win a gankspank, black crystal out, there's only been one time I've been killed doing it in front of the enemy, but every other time I'm outta there while they're r1 spamming my invincible ghost as I'm lmao
>>336338451
No. They're part of game. Good R1 SS masher delaying his third hit
>>336338451
Only for people too bad at the game to parry and too stupid to realize that when somebody breaks out the buckler that maybe they should be careful.
>>336338608
>be careful
>by not attacking ever
hmmm
>>336338645
No, by fighting unlocked, being unpredictable, and using jump attacks which can't be parried. Of course for an R1 spammer I guess that's a difficult concept to grasp.:^)
They should limit the phantoms to only 1. There's no way anyone should play the game with more than 1. Having co-op with just 1 player already trivializes the entire game and every boss, any more and you might as well be playing with Barbie dolls.
But it's too late for that, since they made a big deal about how many players you can have in each game. They should at least make it so hosts can't summon anyone WHILE there is an invader on the way or inside their world.
>>336338645
You can backstab when they mashing parry
>>336338645
You realize that the parry animation is ridiculous, especially on bucklers and shit, so if you know they're going to parry you can literally sprint behind them and backstab them, right?
Why the FUCK are Way of the Blue and Blue Sentinels/Darkmoon NOT an all-in-one covenant? Nobody uses Way of the Blue unless it's literally thier first ever Souls playthrough ever. It makes so much sense just to have blue sentinels protecting blue sentinels, the only issue I could think of is lore, and there is barely any lore surrounding that shit anyway. And it's not like it's ever stopped them before, e.g. fucking Armour of the Sun
>Dark Souls PVP
lol
>>336338451
why is it a mad mechanic to begin with? it makes combat at least a little bit more interesting. I'm pretty sure most people play a little differently when they see someone using Monastary Scim/Parry shield. without it combat would purely just be r1 spam and blocking or ranged
>>336338849
Blueberries should be melded into one covenant that can:
>Protect hosts no matter what their covenant is (hosts can turn this off however, if they want to duel)
>Invade invaders by using red orbs
>Use the red soapstone to put down a blue sign, allowing themselves to be invaded by filthy sinners
Don't really understand why so many people complain about getting ganked as a red. When you invade as a red, you invade knowing full well that the host could chug estus forever, summon phantoms forever, or just DC. Yes, there's times where you're treated differently, but for the most part you know what you're getting into when you choose to invade another person's world. Just suck it up and find a way to win
>>336338849
Well, on the contrary, there's no reason NOT to equip WoB unless you're planning on invading or cooping and you need a specific covenant item.
But yeah, Blue Sentinels and Darkmoons sharing the same pool is fucking ridiculous. It'd be better if there was at least some difference, like if Blue Sentinels drew aggro from mobs and Darkmoons didn't, but they're functionally the same covenant.
>>336312108
>Most of the people playing PvE are new and not really used to the franchise so it's unfair to 1v1 them.
Or maybe they're just fucking playing through the game? What
>>336310340
>tears of denial
>lloyd's shield ring
>undead hunter charm
>anything that can parry in offhand
Just lure out a phantom and fuck em up, you can usually take a 2v1 if you parry properly, and make sure they can't heal, you can't get one-shot with tears of denial on either so you should be fine.
I'm shit as souls pvp and even I win about 50% of the time if it's a gank.
>>336338359
^This
People that take PvP in this game seriously should hit the bottom of the bleach bottle.
I don't get it souls players are always on about "gitgud" but when they are met with any challenge they cry about it being too hard? You're complaining that people are using intended game mechanics? I don't understand.
How is the leo ring for pickaxe?it doesn't really seems to have some superarmor moves so a trade seems bad.
>>336336858
I played it a ton and in those autistic bbg chalice gemmed fight clubs and in non gemmed fight clubs.
Both are shit in their own ways. In the former, fights either end too quickly before any mind games develop, or they drag on and on because people dash endlessly to avoid any hits at all and dash + throw random attacks out until one manages to connect.
In ungemmed fight clubs, it's just pure cancer with people doing nothing but waiting for opponents to attack and getting in one poke. These last 10 minutes.
Not to mention the fact that ranged parries that don't consume stamina have no risk / reward element that melee parries have.
Most of the moves on BB weapons aren't even useful in pvp, maybe just to style on complete beginners, but otherwise you got like 4, or maybe 5 max moves that are effective.
Finally the hit boxes might even be more shit than in DS3, with weapons like Rakuyo, beastcleaver, and alien tentacle dash attacks having insane phantom range.
>>336334663
One of the Twilight movies.
Who uses Profaned GS here for invasions. NOT DUELS. I need tips on how to use the L2.
You've had 4 games where invaders always had an advantage. Get over it.
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>>336336605
>some invaders are fags
>some hosts are fags
I'm sorry anon, I always 1v1 whenever that's what happens. Duels are dull though, I want more 1+mobsv2 asymmetrical games where the host is actually trying to get to the boss and I'm a midboss. Nowadays it seems the most fun is just silvercat/slumbering/obscuring + greatbow/force/ladders against ganksquads.
>>336339849
Any team of a host and 2 phantoms should be able to beat an invader. Other than pure incompetency, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to win in a 1v3 match, even with the enemies, or at the very least survive until the boss gate.
Invaders have always been at the disadvantage. It's understandable why this would be the case when the invader is trying to ambush you on the way to the boss, but it doesn't work out the same when the invader comes to (or is summoned into) a world where the hosts only goal is to kill the invader, and they have taken every possible step to stack the deck in their favor.
>Get invaded in High Wall of Lothric on NG+
>At the area just before Dancer of the Boreal Valley if you kill the woman (which I did)
>Use seed of a giant tree
>Enemies all go for invader besides one
>He messages me on PSN calling me a pussy and he demands a rematch
>Just respond with "Lol no, faggot."
So wait, I don't get it, someone invades a world, where the player is trying to progress through the game, and they're surprised that people do whatever they can to circumvent shit that impedes progress?
>>336340358
>the player is trying to progress through the game
No one is complaining about those 3% of hosts, no.
>>336340358
No. What most invaders are complaining about is "gank squads," where a host and his phantoms will just hang around the bonfire/starting area with no intention of progressing, waiting for invaders to come for easy kills. Sometimes they'll go as far as summoning in combatants (usually used for 1v1 dueling) or using a Dried Finger to make themselves get invaded more frequently. These are players who just find fun in killing people in PvP, and unlike people trying to play the game normally, they're not risking their souls or progress when they fight.
>>336335302
why is it hitting 3 times?
I never parry
> invade 'pikachu' in anor londo
> it's the ornstein and smough cosplaying fags
> keep myself hidden with obscuring ring
> wait for second invader, they start fighting
> run in and kill smough with a running attack, double team ornstein afterwards
what if red phantoms got buffs depending on how many phantoms the host has summoned?
blueberries wouldn't count
>>336340992
It's fine, just use the enemies in the level, it only gets silly when you have to deal with phantoms and seeds. the only time the phantom should be buffed is in an old monk style boss fight.
>>336340992
What if you realized you were in their game to spice up the PvE and not end their run every time.
What if you just went to the winter garden for fight clubs if you wanted 1v1's
>>336341074
>it's fine bro just use the enemies
>what are giant seeds
>>336341126
I said it only gets bad when it involves seeds, if I was in charge of it I'd make it so seeds were only usable if you had no phantoms summoned.
>>336341126
An item they only get every few invasions. Your retarded scenario crafting isn't going to make you look any less like a whining retard.
Hosts can't spam giant seeds on every invader, they just don't get enough seeds to do it.
>>336338451
>parry animations plays
>enemy rolls away anyway
FUCK THAT SHITTY NETCODE AND THEIR THIRD WORLD INTERNET
Worse than getting the backstab animation and they just roll away
>>336341196
actually you get a giant seed every time you beat an invader
>>336341282
No no you don't
It follows the DS2 spawn rules, you have a chance of spawning one every time you kill an invader that goes up to 100%
You are not guaranteed a seed with every dead invader, you can get it if you are lucky but it's only guaranteed after a few
>out maneuvre enemy and get to his back
>backstab animation starts and I get stuck in the animation
>he rolls away as I'm locked and roll-stabs me
>i die
who the fuck designed this game holy shit
>>336310340
Yeah but the feeling you get when you kill the phantoms and the host is incredible. Besides, it's fun to come up with a plan to eliminate them using your surroundings.
>hide in bushes with 2 summons, both using untrue ring to show as host
>put prism stones leading to all 3 bushes
>for 2 hours nobody would find us
Jesus Christ, we slept ontop of the giants corpses and they still couldn't find us. Invaders are retarded. Malcolm invaded us and that fuck gave up.
Dark souls 3 is sh*t prove me wrong
>>336310340
invade in lothric castle second bonfire. the level is designed in such a way that the host can't really run back to the bonfire with ease. if he jumps below the bridge, he gets no chance to summon new buttbudies. most do, and are unaware of the two mutants down there, which you can use. i've been having a blast there as a purple
>>336341432
>Besides, it's fun to come up with a plan to eliminate them using your surroundings.
Except its literally only mobs you can use and that skeleton ball in the catacombs.
I dont say rat covenant was good in DS2, but it had the right idea, triggering traps and shit to deal with the host.
>>336341354
that still means gank parties can have a seed up 100% of the time though
>>336310340
What was the point of being human and set yourself up for invasion in DS1?
To have access to summons
What was the point of being human and setting yourself up for invasions in DS2?
to have 20% more health and access to phantoms
What is the point of being human and setting yourself up for invasions in DS3?
To have 30% more health and access to phantoms.
Let's face it nigga, you are bitching because you can't invade some poor unoptimized retard that just kindeled a bonfire where you have no chance of losing, if you wanted 1v1's you would be joining fight clubs
>>336341623
Seed of Giants
If you want pure fairness, use summon signs. If you want to fuck with people with no pvp experience trying to get through singleplayer, then get used to the fact that you aren't meant to be anything else but a glorified mini-boss for the host.
Why is it so hard to understand? Just fucking use the red soapstone. Or is the idea of fighting people who actually know pvp unappealing to you?
>>336341683
never happened to me yet, and i got 14 shackles so far on this character
>>336341648
Riiiight so every PvE player that summons help is going to have a seed on them AND if they don't the other guys are going to drop seeds for the hosts who they are helping because people totally do that.
Again your scenario crafting won't make you look any less like a whining little retard.
>another thread where invaders cry salty tears
this is my game of the year already
>>336341759
No anon don't you understand the item exists that means every single last person is going to always use it.
Just like how everyone has 99 Divine Blessings on them at all times for when they run out of estus!People who bitch about Giant Seed don't even own the game or at least invade, that item is still too rare to actually be an issue
>>336341673
>1v1
Even then the host has the advantage with his 30% health bonus.
>just kindeled a bonfire
In which case the host has nothing but their ember to lose.
>>336310340
>waaaah the person who's day I want to ruin doesn't want their day ruined.
Always 3v1, well you must be matching with shitters who need babysitting.
Use red sign if you want a fair fight.
>>336341771
well 90% of the time you invade you're invading into a ganking party, which as we discussed has the ability to have a seed up 100% of the time
>>336313270
except everyone could hold 99 full heal items in DS1 so it made pvp a "Who can 1-shot harder?" pile of trash.
>>336341930
>fights clubs
>ever fighting the host
Lmao nigga what are you doing
Also you can summon phantoms with signs while not in ember form which is what pretty much every FC does since it means you don't have to waste embers.
>>336341930
Why do you think that that invasions should be 100% fair? You do realize that if it was the case, new players who've never played one of these games would get absolutely destroyed every single time, since having played those games for literally thousands of hours mean so much more than 30% health?
>>336341828
>People who bitch about Giant Seed don't even own the game or at least invade, that item is still too rare to actually be an issue
Sounds like you're the one who doesn't invade.
Any time I've invaded a true gank squad, they had a constant seed up. It's very possible, and running a gank squad is literally the best way to accumulate large numbers of seeds. Despite the fact that some people praise it as an item that lets poor hosts give invaders a taste of their own medicine, the average host trying to progress through the game is the least likely person to have a seed handy.
>>336341989
>>336342115
>gank squads
Just keep spouting the latest and greatest memes to try and make yourself feel better.
A gank squad is when you get summoned at the DS2 bridge into a world with 2 phantoms and the door is closed
A gank squad is a set of players that only want to kill invaders, a bunch of random PvErs going through an area is not a gank squad, anyone that calls them that hasn't faced an actual gank squad in their life.
You are not there to win, you are there to spice up the PvE of the host and his phantoms
If you want fair PvP go duel with red signs, that's not what invasions are for
>>336342096
>Why do you think that that invasions should be 100% fair?
I didn't say anything like that. That post said "where you have no chance of losing." I just think it's dumb to imply that the person with less health and half as much estus has "no chance of losing." It makes sense for the host to have advantages, but you can't have it both ways and then imply that the host is completely at the invaders mercy.
>>336342238
Not him but I guess all those hosts I invaded with the host at the bonfire with 2-3 phantoms sitting nearby using chameleon was simply trying to progress the level.
I've been enlightened today.
>>336342238
uh okay but im saying you dont frequently invade pvers going through an area
you invade gank squads
>>336342115
how the fuck do you people manage this? i have invaded quite a lot, and that seed is a rare occurence. maybe once in 20 invasions. ganksquads are also just as rare, and when they happen, you get help too
you know, i don't think you invade or even play the game, and you're just desperately attempting to fit in. fuck off retard
>>336342352
it really depends on the area
if a dried finger gank squad chooses to sit in an area then you will invade into them almost every time
if there's no dried finger gank squad then you won't invade into them obviously
>>336342352
>I can't argue, so I'll just go into denial
Alright. It happens plenty, though. And not even when you're hiding in enemies or using them to your advantage, most hosts get the seed ready the moment someone shows up.
>>336342321
>>336342335
>every invasions is against multiple people
>every multiple people group is a gank squad
>every gank squad is stacking up on and sharing giant seeds
>every tree seed sharing bonfire camping gank squad is also using white branch/chameleon to hide and surprise you
Keep crafting that scenario anon, you are just convincing me more and more that you don't play the game and are just out to fucking theorycraft the worst possible encounter then assume it happens every time.
What's next, all the phantoms and the host are stocked up on healing items in case they run out of estus all have denial on them and are all hiding magic and greatbows too just to fuck with you from range?
Get real anon.
>>336342498
if you try to invade anywhere that isn't the aldrich faithful area you'll probably run into a gank squad
>>336341636
You can use elevators, pitfalls and the like. You can use surroundings to your advantage and if you can get the host and his phantoms all bloodthirsty so that they're tripping over themselves trying to get you then you could lure them into anything. It just depends where you are.
>>336342612
Yeah and they all have denial 15 +10 estuses and minmaxed PvP builds too right?
You are a fucking retard and that is all there is to it
>>336342708
they dont really need denial 15+10 estuses and minmaxed pvp builds to win 1v3
at the very least it's not fun
>>336331301
>rocking Morne's set
>like the aesthetic with Cathedral Knight Gauntlets
>except the helm
>but the Wolf Knight helm looks good
>but it's so overused
>but the aesthetic
The only other one that looks decent is the damn Dancer's Crown, and I know for a fact that's just as used.
>>336311379
Dude, 4/5 invasions you have will be against gankers in 3 the higher level you are.
Nobody is SL120 after fighting pontiff, but surely enough if you invade there you'll be confronted with CONSTANT gank squads - guys just sitting outside the bonfire and waiting for you. And spamming that one item that causes monsters to aggro you even though you're a red phantom.
>>336342708
>Yeah and they all have denial
On the host it's fairly common.
>15 +10 estuses
I find it funny that you'd list this. You've obviously trying to make it sound ridiculous that every gank squad would have these advantages, but 15 +10 estuses is just something you get by playing the game normally. Yes, the host would almost certainly have that.
>>336342998
>every host has phantoms
>every phantom is stocked up on consumabled, denial and has a max level estus flask
>every host is stocked up on consumables, has denial has max level estus flask
>every host and every phantom has magic and miracles to spam
>every host in in blues
Ohboi you sure did convince me that your nightmare scenario is anywhere near common.
>>336343861
i think you're missing the point that fighting 1v3 in and of itself is annoying and not fun, disregarding any minmaxing on the part of the host
>>336343973
I think your missing the point that invasions were always meant to be into multiple people.
>>336344027
but that's stupid and not fun
even if that's how it's meant to be it's not good at all
>>336344283
>but that's stupid and not fun
Welcome to the wrong series then nigger, it's been the way it has been balanced for 5 games now.
Might as well bitch about shields existing or the animations not being realistic.
