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So we find Capra Demons, Taurus Demon, Stray Demons and Mushroom people in DS3.
Where/when does DS3 happen compared to DS1?
>>336305761
Pretty far in the future. You can find Quelana's corpse in there, too. Lorian probably slayed the Old Demon King, which caused the eventual exctinction of demons.
What armor is that
Why do the Darkwraiths attack the goat people?
>>336305761
Far in the future.
It's implied that the Profane Flame is dying out, the thing that spawned demons. It's not clear what killed them though.
Where are the mushroom people? And what the hell are those bird things coming out of the walls in smoldering lake?
>>336307582
maybe to kill the abyss watchers?
idk
>>336307940
Mushroom people are in an alcove in Keep.
>>336307940
In Farron, round up in a corner like raped women after a war
>>336307582
Probably on their way to try and fuck up the Watchers.
Eh, they would've lost. Probably.
>>336308307
What's the lore behind the Watchers?
>>336308454
They rapemurdered entire cities for showing signs of Abyss.
And naturally they got corrupted, which is why we see them murdering each other right before we plant an axe in the main Watcher's face.
>>336308578
So they're basically anti-Darkwraiths. Neato.
>>336308796
Don't you mean *Nito?
>>336307225
Drang set. Found in the church on the ground near the repentant titan. It's literally the Llewellyn set from DS2 though. Lore, stats, model is the same but they changed the name. Which is weird because there's a "Llewellyn shield" in the game that uses the same gay steel that makes the Llewellyn set so light but high in resistances. I asked VaatiVidya what he thought about this but he blocked me on youtube and twitter and proceeded to make a video about it. Which would be fine but all he did in the video was mention he found the discrepancy all by himself and that he's very sad he's people aren't kindling his channel anymore (whatever the hell that means)
>>336308307
>Watchers can be stunlocked incredibly easily
>Dark Wraiths have ultra 7 hit combos with a spin for style
>There are 2 of them
They would have shit all over the Abyss Watchers before a second one woke up, nevermind if the Abyss infected Watcher gets up.
>>336309795
Pretty sure the notmaria Watcher would just faceroll them.
Probably.
>>336308578
so they're Artorias fanboys who took it so far to get consumed in the exact same way he did?
>>336310056
That's pretty much how the Abyss destroys people.
>>336305761
>tfw you find Giant blacksmith's corpse
Farewell my big friend.
>>336307582
Goat people are essentially the descendants of the acolytes of the abyss watchers if you read the farron dart and other item descriptions.Might be they're protecting against the darkwraiths
>>336310070
thats pretty fucking rad
>>336309795
dude the darkwraiths can get gutted by the goat people, they're not that good.
>>336310056
Probably wasn't their intent to get consumed, corrupted but it's not too far fetched to say they're Artorias' fanboys, yea. Legend of Artorias was a pretty big deal. No surprise it would inspire hollows uniting for a greater purpose. DS3 Crestfallen is actually my favorite Crestfallen because of this. Funny how most people don't even catch that he wears the same armor as them.
>>336310070
How's this happen?
>>336310287
Probably let them in when there isn't a fogwall present for your first encounter.
>>336310287
It's like a one-in-a-million bug where enemies can clip through the fog wall
>>336310070
He would have fucked him up if he stopped trying to Dark Hand. And that's just one of them. Imagine if the second one got in too.
>>336310056
Based on the descriptions they drank the blood of the wolf which could be related to either Artorias himself or Sif.
>>336310130
The sad part was he died in the most stupid fucking way possible, he froze to death. he REALLY couldn't make a fucking fire to stay warm?!
>>336309476
i lold
>>336310350
Ah hell I forgot there wasn't a fogwall. Neat.
>>336307919
I assumed the Ghru killed them.
>>336310285
What's the lore on crestfallen? Why does he seek to be a dragon?
>>336310468
Probably he did not wanted to live any more, or maybe giants were not used to such low degrees
>>336310627
Did you miss the black knight?
>>336310468
Do you know how much goddamn wood it would take for him to keep warm? Makes perfect sense actually
It's very obviously the distant future.
What was up with this nigger, was Ocelot even there? I heard the crying but couldn't see no shit and it all ended once the dragon man died
He was very unnerving for some reason
>>336310740
and why is he the strongest mother fucker in ds3? he could beat the lords of cinder ez pz
that nigga beat me a million times, the first time I actually thought about throwing my controller holy shit
>>336307582
>Why do the Darkwraiths attack the goat people?
The Darkwraiths are on there way to kill the Abyss Watchers because they're at war with them: The Abyss watchers religiously hunt down anything from the Abyss and the Darkwraiths are free-lance knights overtaken and completely obsessed with the Abyss.
The Goat people are ex-farron acolytes/undead/humans of the undead legion: They became corrupted by chaos and the swamp and became the Ghru goat demons.
Some of them remained loyal to the farron legion and continued their duties within the swamp.
Most of them however left the swamp and started new lives within Izalith and the other demons.
>>336310878
I don't buy it. There are PLENTY of flammable things in Anor londo. He could have just went further inside to stay warm man...
>Old demon king last phase
Much sadder than Sif, I felt so sorry for them and all he represented.
>>336310740
>like many other hollow, he seeks purpose
>enlists in the abyss watchers
>can't make the cut on account of using a shield
>becomes a deserter
>sits in the firelink shrine reminiscing about the abyss watchers
>offs himself when he finds out you killed them
But really I just love the idea of the Abyss Watchers being a sort of last ditch effort to stop yourself from going hollow. Like being a NEET who is running out of autismbux so you decide to join the army.
>>336311134
Same. He was just trying to lead his dying race and Lorian chimped out on them and murdered them all. The fuck did all the demons do to deserve that?
>>336311134
care to explain
>>336305761
Roll roll attack
>>336310740
>What's the lore on crestfallen? Why does he seek to be a dragon?
If I had to guess the Cresftfallen is a deserter of the Farron's Undead legion: He seemed to have the skill, strength and potential to become an Abyss watcher himself, but for some reason he abandoned the order.
With his abandonment of the Farron's legion he ventures off in search of the DRAGON PEEK and the DRAGON STONES to become a DRAGON.
The game mentions a lot that the Dragon's cult is a cult of "few words"; Maybe Crestfallen wished to be free of the politics, paranoia, corruption and beaucracy that the Farron's Undead Legion was succumbing to and began idolizing the "purity" and simplicity of the dragon cult?
>>336311056
But if he could not forge anymore then what would he do? I know he is not Vamos but it was pretty clear that smiting made him happy.
>>336305761
Thousands of years ago...!
>>336311183
>Offs himself
>Hollow
Not at all dude, he's unkindled, not undead and doesn't seem to have the sigils. You can fight him in the final part of his quest and he seeks to follow the path of dragon.
>>336311134
>the last witness of the chaos of Izalith
well until the dlc that is, then we will fight the other 20 :^)
Same for this thread too. Love these threads but please.
>Aldrichs OST track is a spicy version of Gwyndolins OST track from DS1.
>>336311280
ODK becomesvirtually harmless (struggles to stand, barely able to attack, sits there wheezing, etc)when his health gets low enough. Not that guy but I didn't give a fuck because A) fuck your demons and B) ODK is a cunt to fight.
>>336307169
Wait if Lorian slays the Old Demon King why do we fight him?
>>336311492
CHARGE YOUR FUCKING PHONE JESUS
>>336311391
But then who the fuck maintains the Silver knights equipment? Also Aldrich could have had use for a giant blacksmith. It's such a waste.
>>336311463
I am not that far or missed all of that. I assumed I'd seen the last of him. lol oops
>>336311573
I'm on the trolley, my external battery pack died.
>>336310070
>cropping up part where Darkwraith actually won the duel
>>336311496
Its a mix of several different songs pitched in here and there, because he ate all dem niggas
>>336311571
When we stumble upon Demon King's corpse our embers were strong enough to relight his fire,causing him to come back. As for Lorian it's unknown WHY him and his army destroyed an entire race. We don't even know if the Demons did anything, they seem to have just minded their own business in the ruins.
Is smouldering lake the same as ash lake? But it also has the remnants of Lost Izalith, which apparently is underneath ash lake?
And what the fuck is the deal with untended graves?
And why does the eclipse start happening straight out of berserk?
>>336311587
Silver Knights are assholes and they are fucking insane even without being hollow
>>336307169
>>336311571
Lorian doesn't slay the Old Demon King: He slays the Old Demon' Kings SON.
Lorian's Sword says, "Before Lorian embraced his brother's curse, he was a knight who single handedly slayed the demon prince, but the victory eternally scorched his sword with flame."
Which if anything makes it more sad because the Old Demon King probably had very high hopes for his son: grow up, become a new king, maybe even find a way to kindle the chaos flame.
>>336311183
He doesn't off himself, he just sets down a new path. The Path of a Dragon.
Spoilers if you haven't done it yet but: You can summon him for Nameless King fight and Consumed King, both of which have to do with Dragons. After you get the Twinkling Dragon stone, he challenges you to a duel. When you kill him in the Abyss Watcher room he drops Twinkling Dragon Head and claims "You are a dragon... more Dragon than I."
>>336311280
You find him in a room full of his dead original allies, he's barely standing, with a missing eye, but fires up one last time to fuck this intruder, then in a last ditch effort releases all his flame to kill you. Failing so he barely even moves and can't even lift his hammer. Even the music changes.
From a lore perspective, he's one of the last links to DaS1 being severed, everyone is dead, or fucked up, only Priscilla's fate is unsure, but either way, here you find the last being who saw the birth of the demons in izalith dying.
>mfw I missed like half of the NPCS and the rest of them just vanished along the way, that small fellow with the cane even died at firelink
this happens every fucking time I run a souls game blind. Just once I wish I were able to finish a questline without it being my second playthrough with knowledge about all of it beforehand
>>336311908
Silver Knights arent even people. They're empty suits of armor powered by Souls. Made by gwyn and mass produced by Gwyndolin.
>meanwhile in Japan
>>336312080
>all that wrong
>>336311942
But why make Old Demon King's eye look fucked up? It looks as if Lorian stabbed him and killed him.
>>336312080
so much bullshit on one pic
>>336311984
You're not alone, bro. You're not alone. You need to fucking know what the event triggers are and where you need to be at what time or else they just disappear.
I didn't see the onionbro against since first encountering him in the tower and fighting the fire demon. Serris and the darkwraith guy both just disappeared unexpectedly. Haven't encountered anyone to even give me a pyromancy flame.
>>336307169
>Quelana's corpse
Where?
>>336311942
and here i always thought that demon prince was referring to his bro for some reason...
dunno why
>>336310974
half breed dragons can be invisible, like priscilla
>>336305761
Better question is why is Patches in Bloodborne?
>>336312351
Miyazaki 2bh
>>336312080
>Rosaria and Aldrich
Aldrich kept Rosaria locked up in the Cathedral of the deep because he was going to eat her: She's a God.
OR
Aldrich kept Rosaria locked up in the Cathedral of the deep because she was capable of changing Aldrich: either for the better or the worse.
Either way they're not a couple: Aldrich is keeping rosaria as a tool or resources.
>>336312351
Patches is a dimensional traveling god.
>>336312080
wait, who the heck is that to the right of dancer
>>336311884
it's this area
/headcanon
>>336312487
But he suffers from the curse of the Undead.
>>336312293
>Lorian
>did something bad to his little bro
Sooo is the final boss in 3 you from 1 if you became the dark lord?
>>336305761
WHAT ABOUT THE FURTIVE PYGMY SHIT
>>336310350
There's an invisible wall at the boss door preventing enemies from going through, even before the fog door appears.
Same applies to the Dancer's room, even before you summon her.
>>336312519
Rosaria, mother of rebirth
(aka Gwynevere reborn)
>>336312320
Shanalotte was also a child of dragons and she couldn't turn invisible.
>>336312694
No, it's you if you link the fire. You and a few others. The Soul of Cinder comes from the first flame, it's an amalgam soul of previous lords of cinder. The only two represented are the Chosen Undead and Gwyn because they're the only ones it would have any impact to show, and also the first two to have done it.
>>336312913
How do you know?
>>336312776
Enemies can move past the barrier that starts the cutscene before you cross it, if you cross it while they are on the opposite side they will get stuck in the bossroom, they won't naturally walk in though, the trick is to get them to start their combo and dodge through them when they kick so they move forward into the boss room, you can only do it before you trigger the cutscene for the first time
>>336312959
Who's rebuilding all this shit when most everyone is undead and unprosperous?
>>336312080
Did we ever actually get that confirmed that Seath is the father of Priscilla?
Also, holy shit at the demented Jap who thought Priscilla is/was Gwyndolin's mother jesus.
>>336312734
>pygmy finds dark soul
>makes humanity
>dies as he lived; like a human
>thousands of years later Oolacile fucks disturb his grave or perform sorcery on him
>his humanity goes bonkers and creates the abyss
>he becomes Manus
>cue AotA
>he dies like a bitch and gets broken
>his fragments become the little girl
>Nashandra, Alsanna, Nadalia, and Elana
>cue DaS2 and the DLC
>fragments keep coming back, one being Karla (who might be Zullie the Witch from the black witch set's description in 2)
>>336313082
Rekindling the flame starts a new age of fire, basically everything almost instantaneously gets better for everyone, the age of fire slowly dies and it must be rekindled again for prosperity to return.
>>336312913
She never showed that she couldn't, but she never showed that she could either. She did show up in places suddenly though, but that could be chalked up to the feather.
Either way, it can't be said for certain either way.
>>336313082
What shit? The buildings and all that? Undead in Dark Souls aren't literal zombies, that's Hollows. Undead can do anything people can. The reason why so many people you encounter are braindead in these games is because they're always set at the end of an age when the fire is fading and things are falling apart. There is presumably time in which the world and these kingdoms are properous between games, when the age of fire is going strong.
>>336312080
>Gwyn+Priscilla=Gwyndolin
>>336313235
Is time always broken in Lodram, or just when the fire is dwindling?
>>336312959
The helmet looks more like a burned Lothric Knight than Elite Knight
>>336313121
Is Manus, for sure, the furtive pygmy? I assumed that was the case too, and maybe I'd read something concrete before that made me think that, but the other day I went to fact check so I wouldn't look like an idiot and didn't turn up any connections, besides both obviously being important people related to the dark soul.
>alternate firelink shrine
I did a quick sweep of the place for items and then I got the FUCK out of there
>>336313379
No idea. I don't completely buy into people using the flow of time being convoluted to tidy up every other loose end, as far as I'm concerned it's just to make multiplayer make at least a little sense.
>>336313423
I think it looks like a fairly warped elite knight helm. It could be derived from something else, or intended to look unique, though. There's lots of parts of Soul of Cinder's armour that look somewhat like the elite knight set, and others that don't really look like it. Even if they wanted to call back to that armour set, I wouldn't be surprise if they consciously made a few alterations, on top of warping it.
>>336312734
>WHAT ABOUT THE FURTIVE PYGMY SHIT
-The Furtive Pygmy found the DARK SOUL within the original fire and that was basically humanity.
-Not interested in ruling he just sort of chilled out at the bottom of the world while expanding and multiplying his dark souls; since unlike the lord souls it just kept getting bigger and bigger.
-The Dark Soul began producing HUMANS and this wasn't a problem originally, but there eventually came to be so many of them that the gods couldn't ignore them anymore and they had to accept them in society or be over run, etc..
-Time passes on and Manus' body is eventually unearthed by the people of Oolacile. A serpent tells them they could get AMAZING powers and prestige if they consume his humanity.
-Oolacile tortures the SHIT out of Manus so he'll produce MORE humanity. Manus takes it in stride, but eventually his locket is stolen and he goes BERSERK.
-Manus poisons his own humanity creating the Abyss and fucking over Ooolacile: he then exiles himself in the deepest hole he can find to try and prevent it from spreading; while using the power it's given him to look for his lockets. He's eventually slain by a time traveler.
-The Fragments of Manus are born into this world as beautiful daughters that wish to spread the Abyss Manus created. Fore whatever reason they leave lordran and collectively venture to Drangleic- maybe because it has the biggest access of Human King cock and Lordran is full of Giants and Gods who don't want none of that Abyssal pussy.
>The Daughters of Manus have "mixed results". They all spread the abyss in their own way.
>>336313379
Time is broken pretty much solely in this game, the entirety of the game takes place in a time loop, beginning with the rekindling of the flame by the player in the previous cycle where the bell didn't ring and ending when the player wakes back up to gather the flames to return to the past to ensure it can all happen.
You are pretty much Samurai Jack
>>336312270
the pyromancer teacher is in the same are that you find onion bro the first time, go to the top of the building that you would jump into the tower and look for a cage
>>336313883
>the entirety of the game takes place in a time loop, beginning with the rekindling of the flame by the player in the previous cycle where the bell didn't ring and ending when the player wakes back up to gather the flames to return to the past to ensure it can all happen.
What?
So, for the soul of cinder, howcome we didnt fight a flipping havel mom?
>>336314210
Because that was a pvp build
We only fought the pve faggots who beat the game
>>336314210
Post-patch chosen undead
Even if you beat the game before that, they patched his ashes.
>>336313475
If I remember correctly, it was never stated outright that Manus is the furtive pygmy, but there is a ton of evidence that implies he is.
>>336313984
If Dark Firelink Shrine is the past where the flame was never rekindled, the only way to make a future age of fire is to literally go back in time with the fires of the lords of cynder to rekindle the dying flame.
If the time travel theory is to be believed, the only possible way for the games events is for it to be an infinite time loop, where the events of the game are in effort to gain the fire of the lords of cynder to rekindle the dying flame in the past to ensure you awaken as an ashen vessle in the first place.
The DLC will be about finding out why the bell didn't ring in the past, why the lords left their thrones, what the "betrayal" originally was, and breaking free of the time loop.
>>336307919
The Profaned Flame isn't the flame of chaos. The game tells you flat out in one of the demon weapon descriptions that the flame of chaos didn't survive, while it tells you that the profaned flame is never going to go out.
>>336310974
you are hearing what he thought he heard. one of his items mentions how his son died and he went crazy
>>336313235
>Undead in Dark Souls aren't literal zombies, that's Hollows. Undead can do anything people can.
Hollows are the natural state of Humans, and they aren't really zombies either. It's the Curse of Undeath that makes them that way. Mindless and desperate.
You start Human,become Undead when you get the curse, then the First Flame starts leeching out your souls which makes you hunger for more. If your will is strong enough then you're probably going to be okay even if you go Hollow. If your will is weak, then the hunger drives you mad and you become a fucking brainless, bloodthirsty zombie murderhobo when you Hollow.
>>336312541
>patches is a crazy dimension hopping scientist
>becomes disillusioned with human life after visiting so many worlds
>only cares about shiny shit and the momentary pleasure it can give him
>accidently picks up the undead curse
>desperately looking for a cure
>goes to a universe where he can tap into eldritch knowledge to fix it
>ends up becoming a spider
>so starts his newest quest of getting out of his spider body
>>336314510
Dark Firelink Shrine is in the same traversable game world as every other area in the game besides the firelink you use as a hub. Unless you're saying time distorts as you walk down a hallway, that means the entire game, High Wall of Lothric, Farron Keep, etc. are all taking place in a time in which the fire faded. If it's faded so much you need to go back in time to kindle it, then that means the game takes place in an age of dark, and the only place in the game that is not set in the age of dark is the tutorial area and firelink shrine, which you're saying is the past, before the fire faded? So your guy wakes up, goes to firelink, for some reason is teleported forward into an age of dark to collect the cinders of all these lords, bring them back to the firelink in the past, and link the fire before the fire fades.
Why would you go into the future, an age of dark, which by the way only looks like an age of dark in untended graves, to collect these cinders? What are they doing still hanging around? And this wouldn't actually be a time loop. There's no looping component. You wake up, go to the shrine, go to the future, get the shit you need, come back, and either stop that future by linking the fire, or ensure it by letting it fade.
Or are you saying that the kiln of the first flame, where you go to fight the soul of cinder, is the place that's in the past, and not the normal firelink shrine? So you wake up, do all of this shit, and then go back in time to the kiln to link the fire, which is what lets you wake up later to do it again. That would be a loop, I suppose, but then why are there two firelink shrines? The normal one, and the dark one? If the dark one is an age of dark, that still means the rest of the game is in the age of dark. And then, when is the normal firelink?
I'm not sure how you got to this, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.
>>336315003
I know I said "literal zombies", but I didn't mean literally zombies. I just meant that Hollows are the ones that behave like zombies, that is to say, mindlessly, and just being Undead doesn't mean you can't function as a person.
>>336314371
>boss spams the holy hell out of crystal soulmass and crystal soul spear
>dex flippy
>WoG
>R1 spamming greatsword
the only thing hes missing is a dark magic phase where he never stops casting dark bead and pursuers
>>336314510
The lords left their thrones to go and do their jobs. Watchers to watch the abyss and then go apeshit because of it, Yhorm to preside over his burned, ruined kingdom (and also to go insane because of how lonely it is), Aldrich to be a disgusting fat piece of shit who eats gods and so Pontiff can claim power in a place where it doesn't even matter anymorejust like Gwyndolin
and then Lothric didn't do it because hes a sissy prancing lala homo boy
>>336313086
>Did we ever actually get that confirmed that Seath is the father of Priscilla?
No but it's pretty fuckin obvious
>>336310974
ocelot is first dlc
>>336314869
I feel like Profaned is linked to Heide's Tower in some way.
>>336310287
Actual maker of the video here.
i believe the boss pulled it in, since it charged into the wall and hit the darkwraith.
I couldn't reproduce the situation anymore, but i did not try for a situation for when the darkwraith was in the fogwall and the boss hits the wall.
>>336311787
>>336310427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfz5Lj4FF7w
>>336315527
What I am saying is the latter, the reason its not an age of dark when you awaken is because you rekindled the flame preventing it as it was about to die out.
In dark firelink the shrine handmaiden states the bell never rang, the ashen one never awoken, meaning the lords weren't delivered to their thrones and the fire was about to die, the only way to prevent the age dark beginning would be to kindle that flame.
Normal Firelink takes place after the rekindling and as the fires begin to fade once more, this time the bell rings, but the only way this cycle can exist is if the previous cycle is saved, which is what you do.
(This is if the time travel is to be believed)
Alternatively (and more likely) Kaathe tricked everyone in an attempt to steal the flame and succeeded partially (being the betrayal mentioned) and Ludleth basically fucked him over at the last second by willing himself into a lord of cynder and splitting the flame, rekindling it the best he could alone and horrifically burning his body, the fire then returned to the lords which fucked off because they wanted nothing to do with Kaathe or the fire anymore, and as you travel deeper and deeper into Lordran where the abyss has taken root your mind is warped by it, and seeps into your memories those of the past or even transporting you to it. The regular firelink shrine is devoid of the abyss's influence which could either mean it is an illusion, or dark firelink is just the culmination of the influence of the Abyss.
Keep in mind that the flame knows not time as well, the sword you pull out of the Champion could have been what sealed the original and been part of the betrayal that took place (doing so frees both, and the other stuck in the abyss gets corrupted near instantly). I want to see what angle the DLC takes shit in because there is too much that isn't explained.
What's with the transforming blob enemies? I thought it would culminate into something big in the endgame but it never really did
>>336317681
It culminates to Aldrich.
>>336305761
>where
It's literally the same area.
>when
thousands of years into the future
>>336317891
Aldritch is his own special blob. The snakelike ones seem to be connected to the abyss, of the dark soul humans have. But Aldrich was presumably human once, too, so maybe it is similar. Though he became blobby by eating people, and doesn't display the same snakelike appearance or aggressive behaviour.
>>336318135
Yeah nevermind, derp moment.
That last time we see them is in the drakes in Lothric Castle I think?
>>336312080
Isn't it pretty much confirmed Gwyn banged someone and shat out Gwynevere, Gwyndolin andSolaire
Seath rammed that sweet juicy Gwynevere pussy and shat out Priscilla
Also, Gwyndolin is a he and Solaire is an embarrassment for losing some papers or something?
>>336312564
Man, the Japanese sure do love that Lorian/Lothric relationship.
>>336314869
Did Alsanna finally put out the Old Chaos?
Did her Ivory King finally do what needst be done?
What's the deal with Rosaria?
Why is she holding some huge flesh sack in a room full of cribs?
And is the Wolf Knight of Farron related to Sif?
>>336318372
>Solaire is the son of Gwyn
that got debunked by the game's designer ages ago
Nameless King looks like he is Gwyn's long lost firstborn son
>>336318372
The Nameless King is the third, not Solaire you dongus.
>>336318372
Gwyn's firstborn isThe Nameless King
>>336318583
Looks? read the god damn item descriptions
it outright says he's an outcast because he decided to side with drogoons after being a very succeful dragon slayer himself.
solaire and ornstein are both his students
>>336318690
>solaire and ornstein are both his students
Solaire was never anything but a very determined Undead.
I'm confused. How many times has the fire been linked? Given that the chosen undead in DaS1 stumbles upon Gwyn at the Kiln of the First Flame, I assume he was the second to do so? But the entire them of the Lord of Cinder is that a whole bunch of undead have linked the flame. Or is that just some "time and space distortion" nonsense?
>>336318579
>Why is she holding some huge flesh sack in a room full of cribs?
She's a fertility goddess much like Gwynevere, and in fact she can create Blessed Water which is a miracle we've only seen Gwynevere perform.
So Rosaria is either Gwynevere, or a daughter of Gwynevere much like the Dancer.
>>336318820
Fire's been linked multiple times
And each time the Age of Fire is weaker than the last
>>336318820
given that linking the fire causes the last 1000 years to literally repeat themselves a la NG+, it's impossible to know how many times it's been linked by the time of DaSIII. Hell, it could have been linked countless times before DaS1 and we'd be none the wiser.
>>336318820
Who knows how many times it's been linked, and you're correct it was Gwyn first and the Chosen Undead.Maybe there is a bit of Solaire in there since he can link it too.
>>336318820
At least twice, but could be any amount really.
>>336318992
> it could have been linked countless times before DaS1
I doubt that. Gwyn is still there, and the other lords are still alive.
How exactly does Dark Souls 2 lore fit into 1 and 3's? Can't find anyone who talks about this.
>>336318927
>And each time the Age of Fire is weaker than the last
So what, should we just let the Fire go out and wait for it to reignite, or Usurp the fire and claim it within the bosom of a single powerful Undead?
Personally, I really want to see Aldia show up and provide the third option, because with the Age of Fire decaying into nothing and the Age of Dark being unacceptable, this is exactly Aldia's time to shine.
>>336318992
>given that linking the fire causes the last 1000 years to literally repeat themselves a la NG+, it's impossible to know how many times it's been linked by the time of DaSIII. Hell, it could have been linked countless times before DaS1 and we'd be none the wiser.
DaS 1 is canonically always the second time the fire's been linked, NG+ just resets you to the second Linking, not the third+.
>>336319074
>I doubt that. Gwyn is still there, and the other lords are still alive.
>>336319146
>DaS 1 is canonically always the second time the fire's been linked, NG+ just resets you to the second Linking, not the third+.
Whoops, my bad. Good points
>>336305761
>"If you want the good shit bring me ash"
>Bring her ash
>She fucking eats it!
>Suddenly has new items for sale
Is she shitting them out?
>>336319134
The reason 3 is even an event in the story is because of what 2 established - the land itself is cursed and is reborn again with different kingdoms.
That being said, I honestly hope 3's DLC touches more on 2's story because I thought 2's story wasbetter
>>336310056
Artorias fought the father of the abyss and had it forcefully rammed into his asshole, the abyss watchers probably had just your standard corruption.
>>336319134
Drangleic is a settled place, although Vendrick's kingdom has fallen into ruin and another took it's place. The Drang knights are from there, exiled as traitors due to their meddling in the Abyss (which is why they chose to side with the Cathedral of the Deep, who are experts in the Abyss and what lay even deeper.)
By and large Miyazaki has given Dark Souls 2 the curious Japanese treatment of "it's dead to me," even though it was a far better story than Dark Souls 3. The only thing we can hope for is Aldia showing up in the DLC.
>>336319146
Ever since the flame began to wean, the world has been shit. And all rekindling it seems to do is prolong everyone's shitty situation. Letting the age of dark commence and waiting for a fresh start is objectively the best decision
Dark Souls sequel that takes place during a prosperous Age of Fire when?
>>336318449
I ain't japanese and i'm loving it
>>336319134
It's basically a side story. Some stuff from it appears in DaS3, and some stuff from it matters in the grand scheme of things, but little is actually followed up on in 3 in favour of making a more direct sequel to the first game that Dark Souls 2 didn't really do.
Okay lore fags I need to know.Why is she so god damn cute?
>>336311884
Man, I need to download the 2012 Golden Age arc movies and watch those.
Thanks for reminding me anon.
>>336319549
>skele arms and giraffe neck.
No
>>336319459
Sounds lame. If they're going to set a game in the most prosperous part of an age, might as well make it the age of dark so we can see what that's even like.
>>336319459
gwyn's age of fire pls
>>336319549
She was designed to accentuate everything (Japanese) men find attractive, and in the process just became unnerving.
>>336319628
>age of dark
>just a wasteland of grey rock and shit
>>336319549
most uncanny valley shit in the game. No wonder Gwyn disowned her.
>>336319493
underrated post. if only more people understood. its canon, it happened. but still kinda irrelevant.
>>336318870
but Rosaria has no tits
Does this mean Gwynevere's tits are also illusions?
>>336319549
I used to do print sublimation work for this Russian model who had these sickly flabby arms that were skeletal but still had skin hanging off them. Did not believe for a second she was a model until she left a few pics by accident of a shoot she did.
They were completely photoshopped and she didn't even look the same.
Kind of unrelated, but what other fantasy stories are out there similar to the Souls games? I've never been able to get into fantasy fiction; the whole tolkien aesthetic bores me. Can't do traditional elves and dwarves and such, and the warring of kingdoms and political intrigue stuff doesn't do it for me. But something about the Souls games, maybe the eastern flair given to more traditional western designs, or how most of the plot/character development revolves around gods and beings higher than mortal kind (Yet still get their ass kicked by some lowly broadsword wielding shmuck). I dunno
I'd like to get into more of it, but I'm not sure where to look
So what happens to Anri after you stick the sword in her face?
Does she get a vagina face like the pilgrims?
What are you guys hoping for in DLC? What kind of items?
I want some Ash Lake or Oolacile throwbacks, and the fun bone fists from Ivory king.
>>336319805
Nope, the statues in Anor Londo show Gwynevere with massive mammaries.
Rosaria's probably one of Gwynevere's daughers, she canonically had like a dozen of them with Flann.
>>336319207
shes Aldrich in disguised
What the hell were those ghosts in Irithyll anyway?
>>336319886
There is none.
everything western is tolkien shit.
everything else japanese is too weeb.
>>336319903
she comes back alive at the end of the game. you asked.
>>336319978
DLC where we fight a Primordial Serpent.
DLC where we meet Bear Curse and his buddy the Giving Tree.
>>336319628
>age of dark where kathe and his followers rule the word
>join a group of undead that fight to rekindle the first flame
>or join the darkwraiths and destroy the other group
>or join any side but take over the throne of dark lord
Considering that following DaS1's linking of the flames, the only remaining God in Anor Londo was Gwyndolin, is it safe to assume that he basically was Gwyn's equivalent/ruler of all for the entire subsequent Age of Fire? I mean, who else would all the clerics and shit would have been worshiping at that point, there was literally nobody else.
>>336313790
>Manus tortured by people of Oolacile
What?
>>336319374
>The only thing we can hope for is Aldia showing up in the DLC.
This please. They can't just ignore such an important character. I'm really hoping DLC has more DS2 related stuff.
I swear after you become hollow, the fire keeper starts to face the wall when she's standing as if she's trying not to look at you
>>336320074
But where? I just got that ending and didn't see her anywhere. Was she the other Undead next to Yuria who bows to the Ashen One?
Because that voice isn't from Anri, that's the Pilgrim.
>>336319978
>Oolacile throwbacks
Profaned capital is already in the game, anon, It's literally Oolacile.
>>336319870
>>336319751
>>336319687
>>336319613
Please don't bully! I bet your all invader scum.
It's things other than looks that make her cute. It's her innocents, speech and random giggles that make her cute.
You can keep your cum dumpster mute and trap munching blob.
>>336320076
>>336319978
I wanna see some Abyss shit with Kathe and maybe a new covenant or two to tie in with the story of the DLC. Maybe an area that takes place specifically within the very heart of the abyss.
Loved the Artorias of the Abyss DLC. Was one of the better parts of DS1.
As for items, more Berserk-themed stuff. Maybe some armor similar to Griffith's or Casca's.
>>336320237
Anri is the one kneeling, and no she isnt the one talking. The whole point of that ending is that she is your spouse and together you will make a new race of humans who inherit both fire and dark.
Still unclear whether she even wants to go along with that or even had a choice.
>>336311183
>tfw joined the army after graduating
>did 2 months in basic before realising I fucked up
>release
>now looking for another path to glory
I am become Hawkwood
>>336319716
We have no idea what the age of dark is like. I assume it's different from being consumed by the abyss. Absolutely all of the lore we have about the world is mythos from the age of fire, gods who brought about the age of fire and kept it running, everything that rose and fell during it, a couple of leftover dragons from the age of ancients, and some nods to the existence of an age of dark and what that might loosely entail.
A game set in the age of dark would be a great opportunity to build up an entirely new setting but still have it be built off of the previous games.
>>336320253
I thought Profaned Capital was New Londo.
>>336320253
The only similarities are the tower and the path leading to Yhorm's door, sorta. It's not even that similar.
>>336319459
>dark souls sequel right after linking the fire
>our character builds a kingdom on top of the old one
>we become gwyn/vendrick/yhorm
>final boss is some fuck who comes to link the flame after it starts fading towards the end of the game and he kills us
>>336320237
Anri's on the right in that photo
>>336320338
>forced to marry Anri
>cannot take best girl instead
Fuck. Everything.
>>336309476
>asked a youtube "celeb" a question
>blocked you
Lol that guy sounds like a complete fucking faggot or you were annoying about it.
>>336305761
Where can I go to learn about the story of these games?
I always read about how the cities were big and thrived but there are only demons and black knights and skeles running around. I want to understand but I don't want to have to get every item and read the descriptions and put it all together on one of those boards the police use in the movies to find shared connections and shit.
>>336320253
>>336320403
and i thought it was eleum loyce
>>336319459
>Dark Souls sequel
No.
It's done.
Don't ruin it. Fighting Soul of Cinder and just sitting down at the bonfire was such a perfect way to end it.
>>336320338
Yuria is a creepy bitch and Londor is a wretched land of evil, deceit and decay. Anri likely had no choice in the matter and was "killed" by the Pilgrim.
>>336320464
>not wanting to fuck Anri's new hole
>>336320507
>and just sitting down at the bonfire was such a perfect way to end it.
But I was fucking the fire keeper in the darkness
>>336320464
You're a lord m8 you can still do whatever you want.
>>336320507
>>336319459
There will be, but it will be Dark Souls Online, a shitty open world MMO with P2W cash shop.
Then that will be the last game.
>>336319978
Serpents.
More Abyss stuff, even though I feel like we're gonna get something with dragons after all the subtle dragon thematics.
More fleshed out Izalith zone, along with some Ashen Lake and Tomb of Giants stuff.
Some more original armor and weapons.
>>336320601
So I can still marry the Firekeeper even though I was forced to marry someone else?
>>336320496
Just ask questions in threads already talking about the lore, like this one.
The games are always about linking the fire or deciding not to. The games are always set at the end of the Age of Fire, which was the properous age where Gods like Gwyn ruled. Humans were there too, but they were a bunch of nobodies. The reason why the world's gone to shit in the games is because the fire is fading and the age is coming to and end, and the Undead Curse is more of a problem when the fire fades.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFfAdPEsgw
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IyI5TLRNvw
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdByf0lP-qM
>that third one
Got to wonder what we are going to fight, may be something akin toSeath
>>336320338
I don't think Yuria was thinking of your character banging out a new race of humans with Anri, it seemed more like she wanted a super-King to rule over Londor (a land hated by all) and spread its message throughout the world.
This does beg the question; is the Usurpation of Fire an Age of Fire, an Age of Dark, or an Age of something else entirely?
>>336320735
You married Anri for a reason, reproduction. Nothing stopping you getting a piece on the side I guess.
>>336320708
I don't doubt it.
Reading about Miyazaki saying he'd consider it if a subordinate asked if he could make a new Dark Souls 5 years from now on was just disappointing.
This is obviously meant as the last game yet you still can't say for sure it's the finale.
>>336320773
best thing about these is its impossible for anyone to spoil me because I just wont listen
>>336319146
>the Age of Dark being unacceptable
What if I told you the Age of Dark is humanity's birthright?
The age where a powerful human can collect all of the souls and humanity and become the reigning Dark Lord...
What's the matter, too afraid to let the Age of Fire end and seize your destiny?
>>336319580
No, you really don't
The anime is superior in every single way except that it cuts some content like Skull Knight and other Apostles showing up before Eclipse, but that makes for a cleaner story considering where they decided to stop.
Golden Age has shit animation too.
>>336319886
Berserk might be a good choice. It uses Scandinavian mythology as opposed to Tolkien stuff with its elves and trolls and stuff, but the majority of the world has its own original mythology and creatures. And gods and beings higher than mortals getting their shit kicked in by a lowly human is the main theme.
>>336320794
An age of dark fire
It seems like it's supposed to be separate, but it was still orchestrated by Kaathe who wants an Age of Dark, so it's not really entirely separate. If this is what he actually wanted though, it's strange that he didn't try this before. Maybe it took him however many thousands of years to come up with this plan instead of just telling the undead guy to walk out the door after beating the final boss.
>>336320763
Alrighty then.
So there's the Dark, the abyss and the deep. What the fuck are they? Is the Deep something from Bloodborne?
>>336320928
The older anime version is missing so much stuff though.
I just want the fucker to continue the manga already, and stop contracting the show out to whoever does that pseudo anime/3D shit that looks like shit.
>>336320959
New chapter when? Next month, right? Please be next month.
>>336312284
The corpse holding the quelana pyromancy tome
>>336316952
You never know with the placement of kingdoms/locations, but then 2 didn't really do much with 'flame' as 1 and 3 did. It seemed to be more about gaining power through souls specifically, especially since Aldia didn't give a damn about linking the fire or not. Plus, Heide's tower was just a lighthouse, while the Profaned Flame was 'triggered' by relatives of a 'certain oracle' and then shit went wongo for the capital.
>>336318559
That actually seems kinda likely. Then again if the 'certain oracle' is Alsanna then her sisters or daughters did some bad juju and caused another flame that fucks things up.
>>336321062
june or july, whenever the anime starts up.
>>336320919
The Age of Dark is unacceptable because it leads to Humanity becoming a smothered mess of mindless idiots that never die, never live and never really think.
Aldia thought the Age of Fire was absurd, but considered the glory, purpose and vibrancy of it preferable to the stillness of an Age of Dark. He wanted the best of both worlds, which was found by the Bearer of the Curse in SOTFS.
>>336321082
Thank you
>>336321167
Why is there another anime? Why did they choose 3d animetion? Why does the creator not actually continue the manga?
>Frampt puts kings on thrones over and over again
>Kaathe gets pissy and just wants to make a dark lord to put on a throne of his own and just has an undead steal the fucking first flame for that reason
He doesn't REALLY want an age of dark or the abyss to spread, he's just jealous that that fuckface Frampt keeps outdoing him.
>>336317387
>>336310070
>Can't even beat a single Darkwraith in a one on one
ONE FUCKING JOB.
>>336321047
>The older anime version is missing so much stuff though.
Apparently they were trying to make the story less about the fantasy demon elements and more about the rivalry/friendship amd hubris. Which they accomplished excellently.
The manga has been continuing in the past months, I thought? I'm still not caught up so that coild be old news
>>336312080
>other Lothric kids
???
Who was this guy and why was he in the intro?
If you look closely he's actually performing the same pose that you do when you kneel down at the bonfire to be transported to flameless shrine after killing all the lords. Also, ash sprinkles down upon his head the same way the fire keeper sprinkles ash upon yours as you kneel.
So we can assume this guy is an unkindled, but what was the body he was dragging along?
I feel that the bonfire sacrifice mechanic being cut was also an indication of the story being massively retooled as well.
>>336319978
A DLC set in the Age of Gods would be nice, before Gwyn left to link the fire. Fighting full-power Gwyn andall four knights at oncewould be fun. Also we'd actually get to kill Gwynevere so that stupid slut can finally eat shit, how dare she get a happy ending when nobody else does.
far as items go though gimme back the twinblades and the bone fistand a fucking blue eye orb holy shit
>>336319886
I've been looking for the same thing for a while now and have found very little that's like it in terms of vidya.
Dark/epic fantasy is surprisingly way too rare, stuff like Skyrim, Witcher 3, Dragon's Dogma etc. all try to do fantasy but in a mostly "believable" setting that accommodates humans and how they tend to live. Sometimes they have cool stuff like the Daedric realm, that entire world traveling section in W3, the ending of DD, but it's usually just the same old open fields and forests and towns.
I wish there was more full blown impossible and crazy stuff, look at shit like Kiln of the First Flame, Irithyll of the Boreal Valley, the Painted World, Dragon Shrine, Lost Bastille, etc. All these areas are larger than life and defy the laws of OUR world and that's what makes them so great. Some of it looks like shit straight out of a Beksinski painting and I wish there were more games like that.
>>336311457
BEFORE THE DAWN OF MAN AS WE KNEW HIM, THERE WAS SIR SANTA OF CLAUS
>>336320407
Same sort architecture, same layout for the very bottom building of Oolacile, entrance and boss room, same type of Colosseum, both cities drifting down a dark, abyssal cave formation, the use of "Profane" in the name, which has connotations very similar to what happened in Oolacile (the upturning of manus' grave). Enemies in that area have literal Manus' hands for heads. But it's all coincidences, I assume. They didn't call a kingdom that was already destroyed for ages and forgotten during the events of Dark Souls 1 by its proper name, so I guess that means it cannot possibly be it.
>>336320496
The Dark Souls wikis have item descriptions in them that can give you the backstory
Why is Sillyman so fucked up?
>>336321001
The age of dark is the age of men, is what Kaathe says in the first game. As opposed to the age of fire being the age of gods. age of dark is age of men because Humans each have a piece of the Dark Soul in the series' mythos. Being dark doesn't necessarily mean evil, just dark. The dark soul was one of the four lord souls yanked out of the first flame at the beginning of the very first age of fire, the other three were taken by those who would become gods with them and keep them to themselves, mostly, whereas the dark soul was spread around to make humans.
The Abyss was spawned by Manus in the DLC of the first game. Manus was a human who unleashed the abyss after getting his humanity fucked around with by Oolacile. It's a void, you get consumed by it. It seems like something advantageous to people who want to spread Dark, but humans get consumed by it too, so it's not clear. The Four Kings fight in the first game was in the abyss, which is why you need a ring to not die in it. The Untended Graves area in DaS3 seems like it's an area that's been consumed by the abyss, although you can walk around in it without any trouble and just leave whenever you want.
No idea what the deep is. Some horseshit Aldrich came up with in this game. It's related to water, which is similar to how much of the nightmare and the old one stuff in Bloodborne had to do with the ocean, but ultimately it's unclear. It might just be another interpreation of the age of dark or the abyss.
>>336321539
He did nothing wrong. Those orphans deserved it.
>>336321463
Forgot pic
>>336320795
But I want to reproduce with Yuria!
So when you summon the firekeeper in the one ending is there a reason that her cradling the flame looks exactly like the pygmy in the intro of Dark Souls 1
>>336321539
Silly Billy Pope-Man was the hero we deserved.
did I fuck up
>>336321463
>>336321617
Could that be the Lothric princes?
Big bro could be dragging the cripple. Maybe he absorbed the curse AFTER kindling the fire?
heres your fucking deep lore
why the fuck does a crab pop out of the skeleton ball
>>336321617
isn't that just the Lord of Cinder?
what was the deal with dark firelink?
Why was there the shrine maiden?
Which one is the real thing?
Why do messages stack in both worlds?
What is gundir?
Is this like the whole hunters dream and the abandoned workshop where the only tie between the, is ghetman?
>>336320541
Don't call best girl creepy u fuck.
>>336321001
The Dark is just the opposite of fire. Cold, but calm and serene, something that removes the power of fire from anyone who has it and, presumably, fucks up all the 'gods' who rely on fire/lord souls for their strength and makes them go into hiding until it ends.
The Abyss is to the Dark what Chaos is to Flame. Unpredictable, wild, and it spreads like mad, causing mutations and aberrations wherever it goes - but in the theme of the Dark instead of Fire.
The Deep is a third 'age' of deep waters/oceans, or just a new concept that revolves around the idea of there being something lower than the abyss where the absolute heaviest dregs of a human soul fall to rest.most of this is just me talking out of my ass
>>336321730
The most we know about the shrine maiden is that she was married to Holy Knight Hodrick and is the Grandmother of Sirris.
>>336321490
>Fighting full-power Gwyn and all four knights at once would be fun.
We'd have literally no chance against full power Gwyn. He was unironically the most powerful individual in dark souls lore at his peak.
>>336321683
Only if you summon her at the end.
>>336321730
Dark Firelink is the Firelink of the past. Both are the real thing. If you don't talk to the shrine maiden until Dark Firelink, she will acknowledge this in the present.
>>336321617
>>336321715
You mean Soul of Cinder, and yes I believe it is.
>>336321614
What orphans again? Know nothing about this guys lore.
>>336321683
You can back out of it afterwards if you change your mind, just kill the firekeeper. Don't worry, she respawns. She actually apologizes for her immortality. Its cute.
>>336321683
Like she says you can alwayskill her if you change your mind
>>336321707
Because it's cute
>>336321851
He's wearing the firelink set, but why's he doing what he's doing in the intro?
>>336311031
Does Abyss = darkness and the dark age?
>>336321761
Yeah sorry anon, most of that is wrong.
All ya'll you snuffed the flame in the end with the Firekeeper, I ask you...
Why?
>>336321707
Indiana Jones reference, apparently.
>>336321816
Considering we kill his stupidly powerful son, it would be a logical step up. Certainly a huge challenge, should probably be an optional fight like Vendrick was.
>>336321885
Anri and Horace are two of them, but there were more. Probably got fed to Aldrich or something.
>>336321976
He's probably doing something with the bonfire in the Kiln. I mean originally you had to make bonfires so it probably was related to that.
>>336310974
What if ocelot is the man-dragon in the room behind him? There's only one there and the only other place you find them is Archdragon Peak.
>>336321568
>>336321568
one of the things I like about the Souls' universe is how open it is to interpretation.
After playing the games I have a theory where the Age of Dark, the Abyss, and the Deep are all the same thing.
>>336321463
>>336321617
He was meant to be Dark Souls 3 posterboi. Then From decided to use that armor for the final boss instead, even tho they marketed the game using that armor for an entire year, spoiling the boss for everyone in the process.
Good job, A-team.
>>336322003
Please correct me then so I can get it right
>>336322006
to end the eternal cycle
>>336321841
> Both are the real thing.
Nope. Firelink is a fake, Flameless Shrine is what the actual current Firelink looks like. You can tell because Firelink's skybox looks nothing like what it should compared to Lothric's.
My shitty theory is that londor = new londo that got repopulated sometime after the CU pulled the plug from the bath. Which explains the abyss/dark fuckery going on there and Yuria's relationship to Kaathe, since he "lived" therealso inb4 time fuckery relating to the first merchant in das1 as he calls out for Yuria when he dies which people assumed was the name of his Uchi/invisible thing he seems to pet
>For the time thou remain'st our Lord, we of Londor shall serve thee.
> And I, of course, am also thine.
lewd
>>336321909
>>336321961
Like, kill her in Firelink? What does that do, take away the eyes and lock that ending away again? Can't you also just ignore her summon sign at the end and light the fire anyway, even if you wished for a world without flame?
>>336322063
>Anri and Horace are two of them, but there were more. Probably got fed to Aldrich or something.
Where was all this stated? All I remember is this line
>For the children I knew, bless their souls.
>>336322245
Read the Executioner Armor description. Not explicitly orphans, but kidnapped children at the least.
>>336322228
you can loot the eyes from her and give them back after she respawns if you want
>>336322317
I forgot to read about Horace... thank you.
>>336322196
>all these qts swearing eternal loyalty to you left and right in this game
I have a domination fetish so I played through this game with my dick rock hard tbqh
>>336317387
nerf dark sword
>>336322193
That's hardly an arguments, considering that it's night on Anor Londo, yellow/orange in Lotrhic, clear blue sky in Dragonpeak... From goes for feels more than consistency when it comes to that. Just like how it's always night in Darkroot garden.
>>336320959
Elves and Trolls ARE Scandi mythology you uncultured fucker
Tolkoems Elvish is literally altermate Finnish
Berserk doesnt have much Scandi anything other than the name.
>>336322145
It's a lot more likely that they were always going to use that as the final boss, and Bandai Namco decided to use it for all of the promotional material. They tried to hide it poorly by always showing him wielding regular weapons, even in that special edition statue he just has two shitty swords.
I mean, it isn't really a spoiler until you see it. I just assumed that armour was gonna be something you found eventually in the game, maybe with some significance. By the time I got to the end of the game I mostly forgot about it, and was surprised when I saw Soul of Cinder. It's not like any of the promo stuff tells you who that is, and seeing it in advance doesn't do anything because "who" is it doesn't mean anything out of context.
>>336322196
IF YOU'RE ALSO MINE THEN WHY WON'T YOU LET ME MARRY YOU
LET ME STAB YOUR BRAIN AND TAKE YOUR DARK SIGIL, I LOVE YOU YURIA
>>336322562
Is this true love?
Does Dark Souls have the deepest lore guys?
>>336322438
Its always night around Anal Rodeo due to the Darkmoon. God only knows if Archdragon Peak is even connected to anything since its debatable that you just dream/astral project yourself over there, but it could just be an oversight. They were pretty consistent about it in BB, at least.
>>336322642
The time of night was really important in Bloodborne, is probably why it was more consistent. The eclipse is kind of important in this game but not quite as blatantly, and they know they've gotten away with ti in DaS before so I guess they thought they didn't have to bother.
>>336322445
>Elves and Trolls ARE Scandi mythology you uncultured fucker
you didn't read the post right. Berserk portrays elves as small mischievous pixies as they are depictied in Scandi mythology as opposed to the thing sexed up forest people Tolkien cemented them as for generations. They even gave the trolls creepy noses and lion tails.
>>336319549
What does she say if you tell her you can fly?
I said 'no I can't fly' and she sounded disappointed.
>>336322562
do you have the option to ask her and have her turn you down?
So is Dark Souls 3 better than 1?
>>336322760
She buys it. Thinks your a bird or a dragon or some shit. Doesn't actually do anything.
Greirat is dead, I'm so fucking pissed off right now. I did the fucking seigward questline and he was at borreal valley..I couldn't tell patches either, what the fuck man.
>>336322814
Yes. It's like 1 but even better. 2 is still shit.
>>336322825
Not that it matters much sinceHe dies anyway after you send him to lothric castle
>>336322642
And I'll always argue that Dark Anor Londo was always meant to be applied to the rest of the world, but time constraint/limitation prevented it. Makes no sense that the sun would only disappear in Anor Londo, the idea's supposed to be that the flame is dying and that the entire world is fuck, not that little part of it. I'll always interpret it that way anyway.
>>336322825
Did you exhaust Sieg's dialogue before killing Pontiff? I've had Greirat survive each time by just looking to see if he was there, and then turning around and going to kill ODK while Greirat is out doing his thing.
Can you place the Cinders on the thrones in Dark Firelink?
>>336322930
I did. I made sure of that. But I didn't bother talking to him after every death either
>>336322814
In some ways. The world is less connected, but the areas each have more self-contained complexity to them. What you think of the combat, enemy, and boss design is up to you. I think the mechanics are better but DaS1 is still more memorable in a lot of ways. Even though I have more fun fighting bosses in 3 because I just like how it feels more and the bosses have a little more going on, the bosses in the first game just have more character. The world, too. But that might just be the nature of sequels, and an inevitable aspect of how hard the first game has been memed to date.
>>336322617
You reminded me I popped a boner getting 5 humanity out of rhea
>>336321730
>what was the deal with dark firelink?
The Untended Graves are a duplicate or past/future version of the firelink shrine.
>Why was there the shrine maiden?
We don't know.She's implied to be YOUR maiden from an Easter egg you can get by talking to her at the old firelink shrine before greeting her at your shrine.
>Which one is the real thing?
Both of them. The Ashen Estus Ring gives credence to the idea that it's a physical place due to its connection with Lothric.
>Why do messages stack in both worlds?
Time travel?
>What is gundir?
A lost hero.
>>336322617
>p-please stop
>>336323021
I should have explained, I would just look and see if Sieg was there and I NEVER talked to him before killing ODK and getting Greirat back.
>>336323204
So talking to him before makes greirat not be saved since he moves on?
>Dark Firelink
>No dead Astora knight, monument is still cracked though
>the coffin you get out of in the tutorial has a dead body in it
what does it all mean
>>336323319
the ashen one is actually an illusion!!!
miyamaki did it again! we've reached the event horizon of deep lore
>>336323094
>before greeting her at your shrine
Jesus someone bit the bullet and went through bosses doing no damage to find that out?
>>336313692
"BEST NOT TARRY LONG..."
I sat my character down in front of the dead bonfire and idled while I did chores, hoping something would happen.And nothing did.
>>336323290
Apparently that's how it works for some people. They said they 'fixed' his questline but it still fucks up for some people. Basically just always save ODK for this purpose since Pontiff tends to throw a wrench in a few npc questlines and going to the dungeon fucks up Siegward's
>>336323474
Apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5mHuSFRzZM
where do i go to properly read berserk
>>336322195
It's Drangleic. Yuria uses Darkdrift, and they have an order of assassins that specifically all use the Manikin claws. And they're obsessed with a True Lord.
>>336315527
Don't forget there are !3! firelink shrines in the game
1 is the main hub
2 is untended graves
3 is where you end up after you get all the lord souls and right before you go into the kiln of the first flame.
Everyone seems to be arguing over 2 firelinks, forgetting that there are THREE.
If the time travel theory is correct, kiln firelink is the past before the fire fades, untended graves is the past after the fire fades ( evidence that it's the past is shrine maiden dialogue when you talk to her there first before you talk to her in hub firelink, and well as gundyr apparently ). Don't know what the fuck the deal is with hub firelink/cemetary of ash though.
>>336319134
alternate timeline where chose undead didnt link the fire, and the ensuing age of dark wiped out lordran entirely.
>>336323474
>doing no damage
All they missed was purchasing shit off her. Andre upgrades shit, firekeeper levels you up.
Really easy to do, I just like the sewer key because I don't like fighting the red guys.
>>336321816
I'd say Manus is at least equal to fp Gwyn and we fucked Manus up something fierce. Then it goes like... Aldia and Nameless King, and Seath.
Bed of Chaos seems equal to Gwyn too, and so does fp Nito although he was severely drained when we fought him.
So Chosen Undead killed two supremely powerful beings in BoC and Manus and Seath who was farther amped by a shard of the Lord Soul.
Wouldn't be a stretch to say someone else could beat Gwyn when the others beat Aldia, Ancient Dragon, Aldricholyn and Nameless King, although the Chosen Undead was a fucking psycho.
if you respec/change your appearence at Rosy does that fail Sirris' questline?
>>336323474
it'd be easy to do in NG+ seeing as you dont need anything
>>336323679
Manus soul is split into every human. Gwyn was burnt out and had his soul split, BoC was consumed by the chaos flame, Nito was drained by the pinwheels.
Everything you fought in das1 was underpowered. Exception being Kalameet, but hawkeye helps you out
>>336323738
yes
apparently it wont after she swears fealty with the latest patch but thats fextralife info so, bag of salt with that one
>>336323541
Okay well thanks.. How can I not fuck up seigs? I beat pontiff and am at ODK now
>>336323679
>Nito although he was severely drained when we fought him.
who drained nito?
>>336322438
>That's hardly an arguments, considering that it's night on Anor Londo,
An illusion, just like DaS1. You can even see the edge when you go between Distant Mansion and the Irithyll Dungeon bonfires.
>clear blue sky in Dragonpeak
Not real.
>From goes for feels more than consistency when it comes to that. Just like how it's always night in Darkroot garden.
That's exactly the opposite, From pays inordinate attention to that. Darkroot has a sun, it's just misty enough for it to look like a moon. The illusory sun in Anor Londo is in a completely different place in the sky from the real one, which is blocked by the mountain wall.
That also doesn't change the fact that it has a different landscape surrounding it than Lothric. Why wouldn't they just use that landscape if they were going for least effort?
>>336323679
Manus is nothing compared to Gwyn at his prime
We're talking about a guy who killed everlasting dragons like it was nothing, meanwhile we couldn't even kill the one in Ash Lake back in DaS 1
>>336323936
Pinwheel.
>>336320541
you could just make londor not shit and make everyone wear the human rings
>>336322753
Scandi elves werent ornrey midgets, thats what they became after passing into folklore with Christianizations. Elves and Giants were simply other races on the same level as the Gods, no mention of their size or looks was ever made in the old myths, even for dwarves and giants. Thats all cultural shit from later christian brothers Grimm type folktales influence
>>336323861
If you talked to him all the way through in the kitchen, you're fine. Just find him in the dungeon/capital and you'll be all set.
>>336313692
>Yfw you find the real maiden's corpse
>>336316507
Better be, nigga was the king of lothric and we only fight him as a stupid dragon with no context
>>336318680
Why he alive tho
>>336323940
> it has a different landscape surrounding it than Lothric
No it doesnt. Its behind Lothric and the rest of the game.
>>336313086
>>336316340
The nameless King / firstborn is beyond a shadow of a doubt Priscilla's father
He was banished for easentially being a race traitor and the results were locked away in the painted world to hide the shame forever
Only question is who's the mother
>>336323639
>because I don't like fighting the red guys.
protip, you don't have to. If you aggro the closest one with an arrow and go to about halfway across the bridge he will throw the thing then fall into the pit. The second one will walk over to you and throw his thing. Just dodge his charge and he will fall into the pit too.
If main Firelink is not real, how do the non-undead/unkindled NPCs travel in and out of it?
>>336324169
The area here should be visible from Firelink. It's not.
>>336324195
Priscilla doesn't have everlasting scales, I don't think seathe was a woman.
>All this lore goldmine
Keep it coming /v/
>>336324195
>Only question is who's the motherhis dragon
>>336308952
Get out. Just get the fuck out.
>>336323679
Except Manus isn't. His Dark Soul is split among all of humanity. Also I don't know why you think Aldia even belongs with the others when the DS2 guy beat him, and he's the weakest protagonist.
Seath was a blind crazy cuck when we fought him. Kalameet was probably stronger when we fought him.
Bed of Chaos isn't really Gwyn's equal, since it's just a bug and Gwyn could just kill it with a lightning spear whenever he wanted. Even the demon's it made are nothing compared to Dragons.
Nito wasn't even that drained, since Pinwheel only got the right of kindling from him and was weak as fuck. Gwyn at his prime made the silver knights, went head on with all the dragons, and fucking took over the world. I mean Nito and the Witch helped, but they were like the support, working from the shadows. Gwyn was the one actually fighting. Seath t his prime was probably pretty strong too, assuming he killed all those dragons in the beginning movie and wasn't just posing.
tl;dr, there is no way we could take on Gwyn at his prime lorewise, unless the game pulls a BB and we become a Lord, like Gwyn, The Witch of Izalith, or Nito.
>>336324221
That means I have to get a bow though, the lower path is worth it for the lizard + 2 titanite shards and a path to Irina that doesn't involve having full health and dropping down.
>>336324267
Away from system, take one from firelink to compare.
>>336324278
>vaati cucked /v/ and /vg/
>neckbeards can't get over it
lmao
>>336323594
learn nipponese and buy the mango off of amazon jp
>>336324338
>Seath was a blind crazy cuck when we fought him
Keep in mind he was literally invincible the first time we fought him too. If he didn't want to lock us up (presumably for research) he would've been fine.
Nito let the pinwheels work for his covenant, he definitely isn't at his prime. I do agree in him being support though just due to the nature of how his powers worked (pestilence and reanimation)
>>336324268
>implying a dragon-human hybrid would have to have everlasting scales
>implying Nameless King fucked an everlasting stone dragon and not one of the newer, colorful, softer Age of Fire dragons
>>336324251
Answer me fags.
>>336323839
Manus woke up and caused an everlasting Chaos that created fragments that were powerful enough to overthrow kingdoms.
I'm not talking his theoretical form, I'm talking about what he did. Nor am I using head canon for it.
Seems pretty clear that Manus is at the very least equal. Hell the guy was punching through time purely because he wanted to dick Dusk.
>>336323839
It was never said that the Bed of Chaos grew weaker. In fact if anything it grew more powerful from that. Though a really shitty fight, but by canon it was at full power just transformed into something it couldn't control.
And Manus was pretty much at full power. It was never said to take a hit. And Seath was an immortal everlasting Dragon with a small amp from its lord soul. He was the same strength if not more powerful due to years of research. He just became crazy. Hell Seath got the same shard that the 4kids got which was a lot, but it shows Manus' power that he can fuck them over. Even moreso is Manus treating Artorias like a fuccboi.
Didn't Manus corrupt Kalameet too?
>>336324338
>and he's the weakest protagonist.
das1 is the weakest protag. the strongest boss in das1 was kalameet, and sinh is literally just a direct upgrade. and going by lore, das1 is the weakest since all he had to do was fight hollowed out lords and nito whos power had all been sucked dry from pinwheel.
>>336322814
Mhmm, even though there's a lot more refined elements, DaS3 just drops the ball a few too many times for it to be better than DaS1. Still enjoying it a lot and haven't been vastly disappointed like with DaS2.
>>336311842
lothric actually used the stray demon as a gatekeeper, so they can't be all bad
>>336324536
Nameless king fucked his stormdrake.
>>336310070
>tfw when i once got 3 of the watchdogs to fight themselves
was awesome.
>>336324614
>A shitty mutant that breathes poison stronger than the dragon even Anor Londor in it's prime feared
>DS2fags
>>336307169
the thing that caused the eventual extinction of demons was the player character in DaS killing the Bed of Chaos though wasn't it?
So what happens to all the hollows and undead after the flame has been kindeld? Do the hollows just die? Do the undead turn into mortals?
ds2fags really are a sad bunch
Best theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRaZs6ri7s
>>336324251
presumably ludleth can use his butt magic on more than one person at once; not sure if I buy firelink being an illusion, just citing a possible answer
better question is what the fuck are the black knights doing there at untended
>>336324771
according to DaS2, the chaos flame thing spits out new demons every so often but was kept in check by the king of that time and a fragment of Manus. So it's still a thing.
>>336321683
giving here the eyes will change the music of firelink, to be honest I prefer the music to the default
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIxm8AKctdU
>>336324646
is that confirmed?
>>336311842
Except there's no signs of Lothric knights or soldiers anywhere in the Demon Ruins or Smouldering Lake as whole. All you find are just dead Demons and I think two Black Knights just running around, murdering the remaining inhabitants.
Though, that's a pretty fucking metal fate, honestly.
>be ghosts bounded to suits of charred black armor
>swing around sicknasty great weapons
>slay an entire Demons in hell while awaiting the heat death of the world
>>336324614
DaS1 protagonist killed Manus, the guy who created the fucking Abyss.
That alone puts him way above the protagonist of DaS 2.
The weakest protagonist would be the Ashen One, but doing the Lord of Hollows ending he straight up surpasses the Chosen Undead.
>>336324956
betrayal music is so good
>>336314510
Absolutely disgustingly wrong holy shit stop spreading your aids dark firelink is just some last minute area with no lore connecting it but if we assume it's not that it's just traveling to the past where the age of dark happened if you actually did the snuff out the fire ending the fire keeper mentions that embers will once again dance within the dark it's just cycles that's it no big head cannon infinite time loop shit. Even cementing my argument further is the lord of hollows ending officially called usurp the fire it's considered the bad ending because you are actually halting the cycle of light and dark which has gone on forever
>>336324982
remember when we walked into a demon's own home and murdered him and his dogs after he did his best to find a new place outside of hell?
>>336325043
source on manus creating the abyss? i know he had lots of humanity and whatever, but did he actually create the abyss?
>>336324483
Yeah I guess, but didn't Seath develop the immortality crystal after years of research? I doubt he had it when he turned on his own, since he did it out of jealousy for not having immortality, and if he already had the crystal then he would have had no reason to turn. Like I can't picture Seath, as he is in game after you destroy his crystal, or make the blind idiot destroy it himself, taking on this many everlasting dragons. He has to be weaker in game due to dementia or something, which doesn't really make sense, since he should be even stronger due to having a portion of Gwyn's lord's soul.
Nito is weird. We know Pinwheel sapped him of some power, but I would bet it wasn't that much, seeing as how much of a pushover pinwheel is, and that the only thing it says he got from Nito was the rite of Kindling and some knowledge.
>>336319207
I'd like to imagine that she fabricates the items using magic and the ashes/souls as reagents, hence why you pay her souls. Honestly just head canon
>>336325183
>Father of the Abyss
>>336324603
Manus has nothing to do with chaos, he is the furtive pygmy and has the largest piece of the dark soul (at least at the time). Kaathe told some humans to dig and wake him up, they did and that was when shit got fucked.
When the witch tried to recreate the first flame using the flame she had, it backfired and demons spew out instead and transformed her and her daughters, even if it made her chaos soceries stronger, she became a seemingly mindless grub, sealed away presumably by her sisters, most likely Quelana if only one did it.
Manus was most definitely not at full power by the nature of humanity floating around before him and that every human contains a piece of the dark soul.
Seathe was not an immortal everlasting dragon, which is why he betrayed his own, he didn't have everlasting scales which he fruitllessly researched his whole life.
Fairly sure Kalameet was just a strong ass dragon.which breaks a lot of the lore/canon since he isn't a drake/other subspecies
>>336324992
then you have knight tsorig just chillin not giving a fuck about all the abominations and black knights running around cause can 1 hand the fucking FUGS
what does the shrinemaiden make that comment about "a girl" for in dark firelink? What girl? What relevance is that?
>>336325183
>Father
>FATHER
>IN THE NAME
NO NEED TO EVEN DIG DEEP IN THIS ONE
>>336312080
The Dusk of Oolacile is Priscilla's mother. Thats why she was trapped inside a golden golem.
>>336324364
So there's two things to compare. One is that there's a substantial foggy plain between Lothric and the mountains. It's not here, instead the foothills start immediately after the base of Firelink's plateau.
>>336325278
>tsorig is a knightslayer
>he is also a knight
>if you summon him he sees a knight and slays it
Why is the sun all evil when you go to Lothric Castle
>>336325274
I'm pretty sure Kalameet had already lost his Scales of Immortality due to Gwyn sniping him, or Nito giving him aids when we fought him. It's the only way us killing him makes sense.
>>336325278
Unfortunately, Tsorig got his shit pushed in immensely by a bigger blacker knight.
>>336324364
The other is the large, mostly uncovered blunt mountain that's above and to the left of my characters head in >>336324267
It isn't visible.
>>336325396
because miyazaki likes berserk
>>336325378
>he stays summoned after he's dead
>you can summon him again after he's dead
>>336325203
The problem is you're using pinwheel as a singular form here, there were many of them who served under him. One pinwheel was a boss, later showing up as a normal enemy outside of his boss room.
>>336312540
I'm still bummed that we never actually met the Witch of Izalith.
I wish they'd remake Dark Souls and fix all the post-lordvessel zones.
How is deprived in ds3? The class was bullshit in ds2 since you strated with lol nothing but the new club seems alright.
And does the early levels cost less for deprived as well? Or is it the same as for another class starting at level 10?
>>336324652
>>336324289
Item descriptions refer to the stormdrake as a male
>>336325274
Seems to me that Kalameet is a dragonlet.
He isn't a drake/wyrm like a bunch of things depicted in-game, and he isn't nearly on the same level as the immortal dragons and other fucking gigantic ass dragons in the setting.
Perhaps he was just a cursed/deformed dragon thus explaining his relatively tiny size compared to true dragons, plus his weird eye stuff he could do. After all, Seathe was a fucked up dragon failure, so why can't Kalameet be one similarly?
>>336325280
The "curse" she's talking about seems to be the "fire-linking" curse that Lothric talked about, and it sounds like it operates like the nexus. You and the firekeeper are already caught by the time you reach Untended Graves and the handmaid will eventually be as well.
>>336311942
Is the Old Demon King royalty, or is he just the highlander?
I wouldn't think demons would have the level of intelligence to have a royal family. I think he's probably just the alpha demon. So the Demon Prince wouldn't be his son, it'd be the beta demon.
>>336325660
no they don't
>>336325243
>>336325329
he could be the adoptive father.
i just want to know if he created the abyss or if the abyss existed and he brought it to oolicile or w/e it was called.
>>336324982
It is in the stray demons soul description. I took it as a hint that Lothric = future Lordran, since the stray demon was the gatekeeper of Lordran in DaS.
>>336325620
Wait I thought those were just clones he made, like how he clones himself during his boss fight. Are you telling me there were multiple pinwheels? The mask of the father/mother/child refer to him as just being one person, not multiple.
>>336308578
>naturally got corrupted
Its what they deserve for being stupid enough to hold up right above where Wolnirs Abyss Gatorade is.
>>336321384
Ocelotte and Gertrude.
>>336325698
Kalameet technically isn't even as strong as that one dragon that just sits by the lake, even though he's twice as big and menacing
>>336325773
>he could be the adoptive father
well okay then
never change lorefags
>>336311373
>but for some reason he abandoned the order.
SHIELD USER
REEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee
>>336319549
So Yorshka is Ocelotte, right?
Child of dragons, daughter to Gwynevere, taken from the mad king and given to Gwyndolin to protect.
>>336325773
Soul of Manus
Soul of Manus, Father of the Abyss.
This extraordinary soul is a viscous,
lukewarm lump of gentle humanity.
Ancient Manus was clearly once human.
But he became the Father of the Abyss
after his humanity went wild, eternally
seeking his precious broken pendant.
>>336325485
Stand on the bird nest and look at the castle. The shrine is, almost purposefully, blocked in sight. And by extension that isnt the same mountain. The one in that pic is probably just to the right of the one you say it is in >>336324267
>>336311019
Well he was also revived as an Unkindled the same as you. His task was to hunt the Lord of Cinders but he said fuck it, id rather be a malnourished dragon instead
>>336325698
Kalameet was probably just a different species of dragon. I doubt every dragon looked the same.
>>336325773
POWERFUL MAN
SITS DOWN ONE DAY
SAYS TO HIMSELF
MAN ALL THIS SHIT IS FUCKIN GAY
IMMA MAKE A PLACE WHERE LIKE
ITS DARK
>>336325396
Because the Age of Dark is really, really close.
>>336325990
Sister to gwynevere actually.Son of Gwyn
>>336319549
>Yorshka is Ocelotte
What the fuck? How did I miss this npc?
>>336324646
>>336325801
I don't think it meant a gatekeeper in a civil way. Probably that the Stray Demon set up shop outside the gate when all the shit was going down. Thus it became known as the gatekeepr since you'd have to go through it if you want to into Lothric the conventional way.
>>336325752
>Curved sword imbued with the strength of the Stormdrake.
>The Nameless King, ally of the ancient dragons, fought beside the Stormdrake in countless battles. When the great beast fell, the king claimed his soul, as was the custom in the age of gods.
>HIS soul
>>336320269
don't forget she give u da succour
>>336326068
That's what she tells you.
And then she says she's completely ignorant to the world.
You really trust what she believes?
>>336307940
Poison swamp. It's a really sad sight, the ghru just straight up slaughtered them. I assume the swamp used to be dickstab forest.
>>336325698
Seath's pretty close in size to the Everlasting Dragon in Ash Lake, isn't he?
>>336311967
You cant summon him for Nameless King. If you try to walk through the fog gate he Black crystals out. Hes only summonable so he can get the Twinkling head from the alter you get the twinkling body
>>336324652
>>336324289
how far down the lorefag hole do you have to be to come up with this retarded theory?
>>336326113
I'm pretty sure it's the same Stray Demon from DaS, since it was an optional boss and looks the same except old and crusty due to the chaos flame going out.
>>336326113
The probably left a breadcrumb trail to get it there, like they did for Aldrich. I mean a different group clearly got it to work fine for the stray/asylum demon beforehand.
>>336326002
>Stand on the bird nest and look at the castle. The shrine is, almost purposefully, blocked in sight.
That doesn't change the fact that it should overlook the same area you're able to.
>The one in that pic is probably just to the right of the one you say it is in
There's just foothills between those two mountains in the Lothric picture. In Firelink, there's more mountains the same size as that one to the left.
>>336326197
No, not even close.
Seath is fucking gigantic. The Stone Dragon is about half his size.
>>336326120
He fucked the stormdrake's little sister. Come on this is obvious.
>>336324338
No where is it said that Manus became weaker from that, and that'd be like assuming Gwyn was never at full power since the first thing he did was give away power to his Silver Knights and kids. Plus that was before his transformation and before he spread the abyss.
Plus Gwyn never fought the dragons alone, hell the only two people in the intro confirmed to kill the dragons are Nito (miasma of death) and Seath. The intro even says Gwyn with his silver knights. We know however that The Nameless King, Havel, and Ornstein were also dragon killers, along with Gough.
And the demons don't have to be comparable to dragons since Gwyn never made dragons. Faulty example. The Witch of Izalith created something so potent it spawned a new race and destroyed shit. Manus woke up and spread the abyss which consumes everything. All Gwyn made were kids.
Nito got drained by the Pinwheels when he was sleeping.
Nito and the Witch were full on shown to help though. Gwyn in no lore ever went solo against the dragons.
Your reasoning for Manus not being at his prime works exactly the same way for Gwyn. Hell you even say in your post that Gwyn made the silver knights. The only thing that was shown to effect Manus was after we kill his beast form since he was just a man with a "lord soul" before that
RIP Centipede
>>336326343
died too young ;_;
>>336326068
I think she was being metaphorical when she mentioned Father Gwyn and Sister Gwynevere, the way you'd call a priest and a nun Father and Sister. She words it identically to the way Gwyndolin did in the first game, so it's probably some Darkmoon oath or something.
>>336326343
>FP Estus
For what purpose?
>>336312913
Shanalotte was created by the Ancient Dragon. She wasnt born of true Dragons as the Ancient dragon is a mummers dragon, a creation of Aldia.
>>336324950
Some item description in DaS3 mentions that the chaos flame has been completely snuffed out.
>>336326317
Oops, I meant Kalameet. He doesn't seem so small compared to the stone dragons.
>>336312913
>>336326409
Who the hell is Shanalotte?
Dark 2 fanfiction?
>>336325213
I like to imagine she just chows down on ash covered in shit and can then give you some new items
>>336326471
Firekeeper of DaS2 I believe.
Guise, i has a theory. A shit theory, sure, but admitedly, most of DaS lore is throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Is Yorskha actually Ocelotte?
She's a halfbred, which fits with Oceiros being a fucked up dragon but having a human bride.
She was renamed after being taken under Gwyndolyn's care.
And yeah, Ocelotte is a boy, but it's fucking Gwyndolyn, ladyboy extraordinaire, turning him into a girl would probably not be that hard, we even find the reversal ring in the chamber where he used to hang.
And of course they (or Dark Sun at least, i guess?) wouldn't want ol'man Oceiros to be able to harness Ocelotte's power, because he had gone mad and whatnot.
I think i had more stuff to support this, but i can't remember what right now.
>>336326471
The girl you level up at in 2
No idea when they say she's named Shanalotte
>>336326471
no, Dark Souls 2 canon lore.
>>336326409
Emerald Heralds real name.
Heh
Right near the bonfire just before Lothric fight, there's a statue of a primordial serpent
Always wondered what their bodies looked like. They're vaguely humanoid.
>>336326530
She literally tells you.
>>336326565
I don't think you can trust the statues on that...
>>336324950
The Chaos is dead, anon.
It died some time ago, and the demons are going extinct. After the flame went out Lothric started a new campaign against the demons, and thinned them out significantly. There are only four demons left in the world., and you kill them all.
>>336320507
worst ending so anticlimatic you didnt even burn like in ds1 you just fucking SAT DOWN
>>336326530
When you open the gate using king ring in Drangleic Castle, she says her name is Shanalotte, which is close to Ocelotte :^)
>>336326285
But the shrine is through here. Whether its really "there" or not the point is its not meant be visible, either way.
>>336326471
concept name of the emerald herald but it goes unused in game
>>336326543
>no, Dark Souls 2 canon lore.
Haha
Even if you want to believe it's canon Dark 3 ignores literally all of it. Dark 2 may as well not exist.
>>336326692
She literally says her name is Shanalotte when youre on your way to the throne of want.
>>336326692
she says it in sotfs, I know that
>>336326692
No, she tells you that's her name at some point. I think either in Dragon Aerie or Throne of Want.
>>336326621
Seems like it's an accurate depiction, at least to what I'm guessing he came to Gwyn looking like.
The neck and head is spot on to what you see in DaS.
>>336326526
>She's a halfbred, which fits with Oceiros being a fucked up dragon but having a human bride.
Oceiros was originally a human or humanoid Lord. His dragon research fucked him up like Seath and Logan.
>>336326665
>But the shrine is through here
Yeah, I know. I'm talking about the scenery it overlooks.
>>336326390
Try ranking up in the covenant and talk to her again. She specifically states that Pontiff came after her brother and shes worried about what happened to him
>>336326642
I thought it was nice. Didn't need to be dramatic or anything, just quietly burning out. Fitting for a somber game like this.
>>336326708
3 ignores a lot about 2, but not all of it. Alva and Creighton show up in 3, Lucatiel is mentioned by name, and the Shield of Want talks about Vendrick.
>>336326708
>Dark 3 ignores literally all of it
>Aldia was the one who convinced the Young Prince not to link the fire
>Hard references to DaS 2 sprinkled throughout the game
Sure buddy :)
>>336326830
>Aldia was the one who convinced the Young Prince not to link the fire
What the fuck
>>336326830
Was Aldia a Dogged Contender?
>>336326740
>>336326621
Oh yeah, I faintly recall that now. My bad.
>>336326770
Well, yeah, i know that, but he calls Ocelotte a "child of dragons" which would lead me to believe he conceived him AFTER he turned into a dragon
>>336325274
I was using chaos not as a noun there. I meant Manus just waking up created chaos as in the abyss.
But she was sealed away in a more powerful form while we were locked in there with her. Her mobility is irrelevant when you're at the epicenter of her power.
That's easily explained by the abyss spread. Manus didn't start splitting his power once becoming a beast until after he died. Even miniscule fragments like what we saw in DaS2 took a long time to form and became supremely powerful unlike the ghosts we saw before him.
But he was an everlasting dragon. He was more powerful than them. Plus since he murdered a bunch of dragons he became immortal, got a piece of a lord soul, and researched spells for centuries. He became crazy, but his power didn't wane. If anything he was a lot more powerful than the war against the dragons.
Kalameet was said to be an everlasting dragon.
>>336326785
Oh, I didn't know that. I never get fucking summoned as a Darkmoon Blade.
>>336326770
Oceiros was probably human since his kingdom is populated by humans, while his wife was a god. His wife is probably Gwynevere, but to be safe I'd assume it's one of Gwynevere's daughters, or granddaughters, like Rosaria and Dancer.
>>336326895
Or her mother was a dragon-kin.
Lothric even has Dragon claws for hands, and was an experimental babby
>>336326873
Soul Stream sorcery
Sorcery imparted by the first of the Scholars, when Lothric and the Grand Archives were but young.
Fires a torrential volley of souls.
The first of the Scholars doubted the linking of the fire, and was alleged to be a private mentor to the Royal Prince.
He did it all bruh
>>336326830
>>Aldia was the one who convinced the Young Prince not to link the fir
Making up lore now?
>hard references to Dark 2
You mean, what, two invaders and a handful of items? Yeah, OK.
>>336326895
Lothric too, as he's got feathers in his room, and Oceiros has feathered wings.
>>336311842
>>336311571
>>336307169
Uhhh.... Lorian's sword specifically stated that he slayed a demon Prince. Not a king.
>>336326984
>Soul Stream
Which literally mentions Aldia by name in Japanese description
>>336326830
>Aldia was the one who convinced the Young Prince not to link the fire
That was Kaathe you retard.
>>336326980
Queen of Lothric was a goddess related to Gwynevere.
>>336327001
>You mean, what, two invaders and a handful of items? Yeah, OK.
Well, you said "Literally all" of it was ignored, and he proved you wrong.
>>336326984
huh, cool
guess we'll be seeing aldia again in the dlc
>>336327076
How does the Fume Greatsword existing impact the canon in any way?
Dark Souls 2 makes no plot contributions to the franchise.
>>336327057
>The first of the Scholars doubted the linking of the fire
Sounds like Aldia to me.
>>336327057
See >>336326984
Kaathe was most likely the one who appeared to Gertrude and invented the Angelic Faith.
>>336327001
>Making up lore now?
Sorcery imparted by the first of the Scholars, when Lothric and the Grand Archives were but young.
Fires a torrential volley of souls.
The first of the Scholars doubted the linking of the fire, and was alleged to be a private mentor to the Royal Prince.
The Japanese for Soul Stream is the same as for Soul Geyser, which is specifically Aldia's spell in Dark Souls 2.
>>336327061
Where does it say she was related to Gwynavere?
>>336327129
The Fume Greatsword existing suggests that the Fume Knight exists, which suggests that DaS2 is canon.
>>336327106
God I hope not.
The only Dark 2 content I'd be OK with is if they went into the death of the Chaos and it somehow included Alsanna.
All the Aldia shit is so cringe worthy.
>>336327129
>no plot contributions
>character from DaS2 does something that becomes the entire reason why the events of DaS 3 are even happening in the first place
That sounds like a plot contribution to me.
>>336327134
>statues of the serpents in Lothric have angel wings and shit
Confirmed
>>336327195
And how does that impact Dark 3?
That's what I'm saying. Dark 2 is only technically canon. It doesn't actually matter inn any way if it exists or not.
>>336327193
Divine Blessing calls the Queen a "goddess of bounty and fertility", which is identical to how Gwynevere was described in Dark Souls.
>>336326984
If Aldia isn't Dlc then they really fucked up.
The guy is one of the most powerful in the series though not lord soul level judging by how he toyed with your character.
>>336327193
It's just based on (reliable) loose speculation. There's items that state the queen was seen as a Goddess of Fertility/Gwynevere bullshit.
>>336327204
Which character do you mean?
The primordial serpents were the ones who convinced Lothric not to link the fire. They were responsible for Lothric's entire religion.
>>336327202
>cringe worthy
upboat
>>336305761
so...why the fuck is humanity not in the game again?
also anybody got a pic of spiderlady corpse
>>336327259
Didn't we beat the shit out of him after Nashandra? Or was he just pretending?
So what are your hopes for the DLC?
>Londor?
>Drangleic?
>time travel shenanigans to see what the Lords were up to?
I hope we get to team up with the Abyss Watchers and fight some dark shit. Or some deep shit. Its weird how little there is of the Dark element and how much Fire is present, given the state of things.
>>336326830
You're wasting your time, people are taking the shit translation at face value and ignoring Aldia being Lothric's tutor.
>>336311942
>we will never get a Demon Souls 2 set in the DaS universe where you play as a lesser demon seeking souls to help kindle the dying Chaos Flame
just end me
>>336325984
>artorias's fanboy covenant hates shield users
I suppose artorias's cleansing greatshield was never recovered from the abyss in lothric's timeline or something
So artorias passss into history as a shield-less, right-handed berserker instead of the left-handed sword-and-board paladin he was before the abyss corrupted him
And sif was presumably left down there forever, either dying or becoming abyss-corrupted (big black half-dead wolf in Farron maybe?)
>>336327251
>>336327262
Oh okay, I thougjt I was missing an item that said she was.
I knew about the divine blessing speculatuon
>>336327015
Where do the feathers come from thought?
Couldn't they just have been Oceiro's?
>>336327251
word sentences differently then instead of using "literally", you fucking retard
>>336327259
What makes you think he's so powerful? He can handle getting immorality down at the expense of looking batshit retarded. Even BotC and Vendrick were able to infuse that in some crowns. I beat his ugly ass when he came around for the ending too. So what's the backstory on him? Am I not fighting a full powered Aldia (ala Gwyn/The LoC's in 3,) or what?
>>336326785
she refers to him as brother because he took her in and took care of her. it's ocelotte, yorshka is actually male in disguise (surprise)
theres just no other way to rationalize a person being in the game who has half god blood and dragon features...
>>336327318
The only decent lore in Dark 2 was Vendrick's story, and the sisters of the dark.
All the Aldia shit, and all the pointless little crap like the belfry story are just embarassingly bad.
>>336327390
Primordial serpents appeared to Getrude as winged angels.
>>336327337
Because they want to try something new every time.
Demon's Souls - Stone of Ephemeral Eyes - Turns you from Spirit to Human.
Dark Souls - Humanity - From hollow back to human.
Dark Souls 2 - Human effigy
Bloodborne - Nothing
Dark Souls 3 - Embers
>>336327367
>left-handed
stop
>>336327337
embers are literally humanity sprites but on fire, look at the large version of an ember in your inventory
Yhorm's?
>>336312351
Better question: why is Patches in Dark Souls?
>>336327339
He gave no souls and was still alive since he's talking at the end.
He played us like dicks
>>336327337
Embers are literally burnt effigies.
>>336327339
>>336327406
you didn't get his soul and he talks to you in the ending
of course you didn't beat him
>>336327405
Yeah, it is all ignored.
>a handful of items is a significant story contribution
Dark 3 is a sequel to Dark Souls. Dark 2 may as well not exist, and frankly we all wish it didn't.
>>336327337
Isnt Humanity something of the dark? As unkindled, revived for the flame, youd think we would be pure abyss-free creatures
>>336326763
If you rip frampt's model in dark souls PC version you can see what look like the beginning of shoulders near the bottom of his neck
It was always weird to me that their heads were placed perpendicular to the direction of their necks, like upright human heads instead of a snake's head, which stands flush with the direction of its neck...
>>336327406
Did you even listen to what he says? He isn't legit trying to kill you, he's asking you what it is you seek, and to give him your answer through combat. That's why after you pummel him for a beat he just peaces out and seems satisfied. He's asking your character questions constantly.
Who is the one Yhorm swore and failed to protect?
Is the Giant Blacksmith Yhorm's boyfriend?
Am I fucking nuts or is Gertrude not in the game? What happened to her? Seems like such a bizarre thing to mention.
Also it pissed me off how the Pus of Man shit amounted to nothing. They really could have fleshed out Lothric Castle a bit.
>>336327493
Yep, Aldrich's was in the Cathedral of the Deep
>>336327337
Embers are burning scraps of humanity.
Event The Dark is fading along with the fire. Humanity no longer exists, only fading embers of it.
>>336327350
>More connections to 2
>More armor sets from 2
>Frampt showing up and explaining some stuff
>Boss fight against the Primordial Serpents, revealed to all be connected in one big writhing mass of intertwined and fused necks with no proper body.
>More grotesque monsters, fewer big armored guys
>Ring or something to take the stats of one piece of armor with the appearance of another
>Vanquisher's Seal
>Bone Fist
>Better covenants, especially PvE ones
>Other stuff I'm going to remember as soon as I hit Post
>>336321989
There are differing opinions, from what I have mostly seen the abyss and the dark are not the same, the dark is the age absent of flame where the flames that give Lords power exist only as embers, so it's kind of a chaotic free for all I'd imagine until the flames return and spark another age of Lords or whatever that means, it's not super known what happens in the dark but we know people usually make it through it.
The abyss is closer to the chaos than the dark, the chaos came from the witch of izalith trying to re-ignite the first flame artificially, and thus was fused to make the bed of chaos and the demons.
The abyss comes from the people of oolacile being told by kaathe (I think) to poke the dead body of Manus for power and their sorceries of light (ironically) helped create the abyss which sprang out from manus' resting hole and corrupted everyone by forcing their humanity to run wild, transforming them into dark twisted versions of humans
Now I could be completely wrong so take it with a grain of salt this is just what I've compiled from other anons, but in conclusion,
The dark can't be stopped, it is inevitable and a natural part of the cycle
The abyss can be physically stalled and even possibly destoryed (killing those infected and the source, I.e. how the Abyss watchers and artorias long ago did it) and is artificially created from the mistakes of oolacile long ago
>>336327493
Nah... not unless he was like "Ooh, better put this lid back on. Don't wanna dirty the place up too much."
>>336327681
Getrude is in a cell on top of the Grand Archives, near where you fight those three golden fatasses
>>336327568
You know exactly why you were critiqued, stop being stubborn. Go back to your initial post >>336326708
I'm not about to get into a fight over some minor shit like this, feel free to be obnoxious if you want.
>>336327762
Holy shit really? I found the big empty bird cage and I assumed that was her cell and she was just gone.
>>336327598
>Did you even listen to what he says?
Maybe, maybe not. It's been a while though. No need to go busting people's balls anon, chillax.
>>336327681
Pus of Man will probably be elaborated in the DLC.
Gertrude is the Queen's duaghter and founder of the Lothric religion. Also, maybe related to Rosaria, as they're both mute.
Actually, I just thought that maybe Rosaria could be the queen. She's a goddess of rebirth, which could be related to fertility. And they mention that Lothric's birth wasn't natural. Maybe the king experimented on her and made her womb into a gross slug factory.
Just a flimsy theory, but it's an interesting thought.
>>336327350
>Fighting the true Orsntein
>Meeting Gwyn or/and Nameless King when they were still sane
>Seeing Londor, just to see what a city of hollows looks like
>Primordial serpents returning, would be hype if they were a boss
>Fighting an everlasting dragon again, none of this pussy drake/wyvern shit
>Aldia returning, even as just an npc, to see what he has to say
>Better rings and cooler looking armor sets
>Fucking weapons that don't scale like shit>Gwynevere boss fight, since she's the only child of Gwyn we haven't murdered
>>336327823
It's not empty bruh, there's a corpse inside where you get her miracle.
>>336327493
Gundyr's
It kind of annoys me that all the good spells are in the last two areas of the game.
wait who was Aldia?
>>336327849
>Pus of Man will probably be elaborated in the DLC.
I'm sure it will, I just think thats pretty fucking lame. Same with the Deep.
>>336327863
Oh Jesus not another Ornstein fight
I do like the other stuff though, particularly abut more NPCs. DaS3 seems barren of dialogue even by Souls standards.
>>336311942
Satan is called the prince of darkness, doesn't mean there is a king of darkness
>>336327939
Vendrick's edgy brother.
>>336327939
DS2 guy popping out of bonfires occasionally.
He wasn't in the game initially, so you might not have seen him.
>>336327876
Well shoot, now I'm sad.
>>336327406
He was toying with us. He basically transformed into something able to transcend the whole cycle.
I don't think he's lord soul level like Nito/Gwyn/Witch/and Manus, but he basically laughed at us immediately after the fight when we could murder everything in DaS2. Mind you the only things of merit were the Giant Lord, Vendrick, and the Ancient Dragon (still had the scales even if it was a bunch of giant souls), but it still puts our character on a decent level. Ivory King might be up there too. Though even Vendrick got fucked over by Manus shards...
That whole game is basically a showcase for Manus. Still, we had all the crowns and Aldia didn't even seem effected.
>>336327863
>Fighting the true Orsntein
DaS1 ornstein was the true ornstein. This illusion thing has always been bullshit
Ornstein is still around (long enough to die in archdragon peak anyway) in DaS3 because ludleth tampered with the timeline and created an alternate universe where the fire could still be linked
>>336327863
>go back in time
>kill Nameless King there
>go back to present to fight Nameless King
>Its Ornstein and hes pissed as all shit
>defeating him gives you the plumed helmet
>>336327959
There is actually a king of demons, though.
>>336327863
>meeting Gwyn/Nameless King while their still sane
The gods were never sane. Gwyn was paranoid and First Born was dilusional
>>336327939
Scholar of the First Sin and major character in Dark Souls 2.
He was Vendrick's brother I believed and created the Ancient Dragon, maybe Shanalotte and a fuck ton of other shit being pretty much a Seath 2.0
The absolute madman ended up becoming one with the flame and now tries to find a way to end the cycle while keeping humanity intact, basically searching for a third option.
>>336318820
Potentially thousands, although the only confirmed fire linkers are gwyn, the chosen undead, the lords of cinder and solaire.
>>336327939
One of the better things to come out of DaS2.
>>336327943
I was thinking more of an npc fight with Orsntein, but make it kinda like Old King Doran, where he's op as fuck, and optional. Should have put that in my post.
>>336328039
>defeating him gives you the plumed helmet
Yes, please. I'd also like his gray armor from 2.
>>336313984If you die to Champion Gundyr, you can pick up your souls in Iudex Gundyr's arena. Champ Gundyr's soul mentions how he was a hero who attempted to link the fire, but the fire faded before he could.
>>336328021
>ludleth tampered with timeline
Yeah, that theory is soooo much more sense then Ornstien being an illusion, which is backed up by some evidence.
>>336328103
but why?
>>336322006
Because it gives us a chance to reset how awful everything is. She even says that flames will again dance across the darkness its just a cycle except it wont prolong an awful world like the current one
>>336328063
> the lords of cinder and solaire.
every time
>DS1 and DS3 are all about fire and flame and the objective is to link the fire
>DS2 is some bullshit about becoming king of the land of shit and sitting on a rock throne in the basement of a pointless castle forever and ever
???
>>336328021
>This reasonable theory is dumb!
>Orstein is still around cus Ludleth tampered with the timeline
>>336328170
good rehash vs bad original game i guess
>>336328061
>The absolute madman ended up becoming one with the flame and now tries to find a way to end the cycle while keeping humanity intact, basically searching for a third option.
What? I thought his whole deal was that he realized humanity was a pleasant lie that we told ourselves, and our true form was that of the Hollow. He wanted to figure out how to break the curse and free humanity from the cycles.
>Once, the Lord of Light banished Dark, and all that stemmed from humanity.
>And men assumed a fleeting form.
>These are the roots of our world.
>Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite…
>A lie will remain a lie.
>>336327993
That explains its thanks senpai
>>336325721
>Is the Old Demon King royalty, or is he just the highlander?
I'm not 100% sure how Demons reproduce: Maybe they can fuck or maybe they're strictly created by the chaos flame just sprouting out of it like trees.
Some people are corrupted and become demons, so there's that as well.
>I wouldn't think demons would have the level of intelligence to have a royal family.
The Demons have varying level of intelligence, they just lack context and don't possess the "best" moral compass; compared to the corrupted royalty of other dark souls kingdoms though Izalith is quite "quaint".
The ruins you explore in Dark souls 3 though are a grand burial chamber with statues of their people, so they must be intelligent ENOUGH.
>I think he's probably just the alpha demon. So the Demon Prince wouldn't be his son, it'd be the beta demon.
He was either the "beta" demon and 2nd most powerful demon or he was a demon adopted by the demon lord as an infant who he actually cared to tend to and care for.
Either way the title of prince implies the old king was most likely grooming him to be a new demon king.
Whatever you wish to believe it's evident that demons are at least capable of loyalty to their kind and caring for others.
>>336328063
How is Solaire confirmed?
>>336328170
Its about breaking the undead curse for the most part, which apparently requires you to become a 'true monarch'
After all, nobody hollows out in 3 unless they've got dark sigils so I guess the cursed one got something done there
>>336328016
>those arms
Completely inaccurate. Yorshka's arms are gross and atrophied, and her feet are gigantic.
This is more accurate to her proportions.
>>336328253
Miyazaki said it himself, in the DaS1 artbook interview I believe, that Solaire would link the flame in his own world if you saved him.
>>336325625
I thought the witch of izalith became the bed of chaos as a result of artificially rekindling the first flame?
>>336328330
wow that's pretty cool
>>336328338
She did, which sucks because Bed of Chaos was a fucking awful boss.
Poor Witch.
>>336328253
in the final fight if you praise the sun the boss will look pause and get angry while a sad song plays. try it.
Miyazaki said it too that Solaire would link the flame in his own world
>>336326907
She also says that Gwyndolin fell sick before Aldritch & Sulyvahn ever arrived.
And that it was the Pontiff that imprisoned her there. Originally I thought TransGod hid her there for her own safety but I was wrong. Makes me wonder what sick shit Pontiff had instore for her, since he'd already corrupted and then pumped and dumped Dancer & Rosaria.
Speaking of is Dancer considered a god due to being a relative?
>>336327350
>So what are your hopes for the DLC?
Pure elemental weapons that have natural S scaling in a variety of weapon types.
Split damage is shit, and for some retarded reason there are literally no pure elemental damage weapons.
>>336328134
>gwyndolin wasn't killed by the chosen undead, was consumed by Aldrich instead
>nito wasn't killed by the chosen undead, was consumed by Aldrich instead
>smough was the "last knight" to guard anor Londo, was not part of a duo with ornstein
>the historical conception of artorias is completely wrong, almost as if history played out differently
>quelana's tome says she never took another human pupil after salaman, despite the chosen undead being taught by her
ILLUSIONS can't explain all of these canon inconsistencies with people you killed/interacted with in DaS1 meeting completely different ends
>>336328489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pqKiOZdI40
it works :)
>>336328315
The Throne of Want was somehow tied to the first flame, and sitting on it Links the flame.
>>336324920
miyahacki and his fanservice
>>336328412
I can't remember how many daughters she had but I would love it if we met another who helps us, or even the same one from ds1. They can shed so much light on things
>>336328496
Dancer isn't a god, but she is descended from the gods. All Irithyllians share the blood of the old gods.
>>336328606
Quelana is dead, anon. She died next to the Fair Lady.
Why are there thrones for the Lords of Cinder in Firelink
Did they expect this to happen?
Why only five lords of cinder? We know that there are at least Gwyn and the Chosen Undead left over. Why weren't they awoken as well?
Is NG+ Soul of Cinder any different? Like does he have anything from your character when you finished it the last time similar to Dragon's Dogma?
>>336327350
>Londor and Primordial Serpent stuff
>Some mention of the crowns from 2
>Some new Covenants
>all the pieces for giantdad
>>336328749
picture?
Is Ornstein being an illusion based on "last knight to stand in the ruined cathedral"?
The cathedral wasn't even ruined in 1 so that doesn't make sense. Not to mention the Silver Knights were still around in 3, and the Giant Knights as well.
We either beat Ornstein first, and didn't kill him, or we beat both and didn't kill either, and Smough got fucked up later on. If Ornstein were an illusion in 1, then we wouldn't have gotten his soul. Which us killing him may not be canon, but his soul existing proves he was real, just like how in 2 we might not have killed him, but he was canon in that location during that time frame.
What really doesn't make sense however is the Dragonslayer armor fight unless he has multiple armors. Which I guess he'd have to. Or maybe the Smough smashing him is canon and that armor is used later on to be reformed while Ornstein is hurt but not dead then he goes on his journey.
>>336328524
Gwyndolin was optional. Nito was a pile of bones after you killed him anyways and Aldrich ate plenty enough people to fashion a gravelord sword out of them. If everything the fuck else in Anor Londo sans the Silver Knights was an illusion, why couldn't have Ornstein been?
Artorias was, again, optional. Quelana was ALSO completely optional, but who knows if they're even considering undead to equal human, or if they mean the CU by the pupil she took.
>>336328524
>gwyndolin wasn't killed by the chosen undead, was consumed by Aldrich instead
He's an optional boss anon. Just like a certain figure in a certain painted world that was mentioned in Aldritch's stuff.
>nito wasn't killed by the chosen undead, was consumed by Aldrich instead
Hasn't actually been confirmed at all. People get up in arms for it because of the weapon, but the dude is literally a pile of people and goo, and the entire arena is littered with skelingtons. Despite that, there's also the fact that the lord souls all carry over specific traits, and Aldritch seems quite capable of looking through traits/memories of those he absorbs.
>smough was the "last knight" to guard anor Londo, was not part of a duo with ornstein
The illusion actually explains this quite adequately. Ornstein and the other illusions all drop souls and their equipment. The item descriptions in 3 back it up further that he wasn't the real one. There's really not much to gripe about on this point.
>he historical conception of artorias is completely wrong, almost as if history played out differently
wut?
>quelana's tome says she never took another human pupil after salaman, despite the chosen undead being taught by her
Not only is this also optional, but the Witch's ring confirms that her life story has basically been passed down as parables. The details of her life would be considered shady at best to most people by now.
>>336328524
>Gwyndolin
Side boss, not canon to kill
>Nito
Where did it ever say Nito was consumed by Aldrich? This is headcanon
>Smough
Smough crushs Ornstien if you kill Ornsten first (which seems to be Canon) and he just disappears. Also Gwyndolin created so many illusions in Anor Londo
>Artorias
Artorias own soul says we only know half the story, and Elizabeth and Alvina even say his story was a lie, but even so how was his conception completley wrong?
>Quelana
Is it canon to learn from her?
Side quests are not canon. Anything you dont have to do never happened in DS3.
>>336328819
Because Ornstein had a soul. Gwyndolin couldn't create souls.
And Artorias wasn't optional at all. The chosen undead killed Manus in canon, which means he killed Artorias too.
>>336322195
Yulia.
He calls for Yulia.
May be a translation thing, but who knows with From?
>>336328758
Cant explain it without babbys thinking its headcanon :^)
>>336318680
Nameless king is Ornstein. His weapons and armors say that there was a dragon slaying knight that threw away his duty to ally with what he used to hunt. Nameless king weapons' say that it's a right to take the dragon's soul when slain, as was the ritual of a time long lost. Both Ornstein and Nameless king use lightning halberds.
Then we also find Ornstein's discarded weapons and armor in the Nameless king section with no body to be found.
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>>336322195
holy shit I forgot about that
that is interesting, could very well be a translation issue
>>336329069
Killing Manus is not canon..i never killed Manus :^)
Being poor is canon
>>336327849
gwynevere is rosaria
leonhardt slaughters her to free her from the distorted form of her body, then guards her soul in gwynevere's chamber while referring to her as his goddess.
>>336329220
Nameless King is gwyns firstborn.
Leo ring says Ornstien trained under Gwyns firstborn.
Gwysn firstborn was a dragonslayer who switched sides.
Nameless King uses a Swordspear while Ornstien uses a crossspear
>>336327461
The closest thing Bloodborne has is Insight. It has a few effects in the world, boosts item discovery, and is required for multiplayer. You get more of it and don't lose it on death, but it serves mostly the same gameplay function, however understated.
>>336327259
also he doesn´t even die at the end of 2. He really was toying with you he could possibly be immortal god
>>336329220
Ornstiens armor even literally says he went to find the Nameless King you fucktard
>>336328758
>Why are there thrones for the Lords of Cinder in Firelink
There's a throne for each person who's been a 'recent' lord of cinder or who is expected to become one/whatever.
Basically in order to link the fire you need a few people who possess magnificent souls and then 1 person to act as a host and link the fire itself.
>Did they expect this to happen?
Yes.
When the fire fades the bell toles and the lords of cinder get out from whereaver they are (dead or alive) and are SUPPOSED to come to the Cinder Thrones so they don't have to be hunted down like in ye olde times.
They don't do this though and so you have to hunt them down like ye olde times.
>Why only five lords of cinder? We know that there are at least Gwyn and the Chosen Undead left over. Why weren't they awoken as well?
The Five lords of cinder don't represent everyone who's linked the fire during all of history; they represent everyone who's linked it -recently- OR, OR, who has the POTENTIAL to link it depending on which theory you buy into.
Like, okay, okay, let me translate this into Dark souls 1:
Every Owner of a LORD SOUL could be considered a LORD OF CINDER: Nito, Seath, Gwyn, Izalith- They'd all be lords of Cinder.
>>336329327
Then where is Ornstein if the first was an illusion and the second was a fanboy? What about the armor that specifically mentions it was discarded?
What is the story behind these assholes? Abyss Watchers corrupted by the wolf blood?
>>336328816
> If Ornstein were an illusion in 1, then we wouldn't have gotten his soul.
On the contrary, all of the illusions in Anor Londo drop souls and equipment.
>>336329220
They both hunt dragons because that's what the gods and their ilk did. They both have lightning thrusting weapons because Dragons are weak to thrust and weak to lightning.
>>336328234
I loved the way Aldia says those lines.
>>336328810
This is the body you loot Quelana's Pyromancy Tome from.
Went all the way down there to get this pic, just for you, my friend.
>>336329562
They're just undead that have a three day waiting time on their respawn.
>>336327350
>teleport to some new area
>mostly unrelated to anything
>some vague exposition here and there, but mostly just more questions
>maybe they mildly reveal a single thing from the main game people were confused on
just like every single other dark souls dlc
you think people would get after 3 games that there will never ever be answers
>>336329516
>They don't do this though and so you have to hunt them down like ye olde times
I didn't do that shit in DaS1
In fact, in DaS1, the precedent is just that I need to get jacked up on souls; No idea what this lords of cinder thing is about
>>336327432
Gwyn had sex with priscilla and made Gwyndolin and Yorshka
>>336329471
That also makes him the smartest character in the series too besides figuring out the cycles. He does all these experiments to make himself uber powerful and immortal without the lord souls, and without losing his mind. He just looks like shit but it's not detrimental to himself.
I hope they make dlc with him and make him an npc at least. He's now too big of a character to just throw away.
>>336329650
Artorias of the Abyss was full of fucking answers, family
>>336329528
What armor says it was discarded? Ornstens set just says he went to find the Nameless King
Ornstien is doing literally that in the first, Finding the Nameless King.
>>336329668
In Dark Souls 1 the fire wasn't as weak and didn't require several powerful souls to link it. Gwyn was either awoken as a lord of cinder by the bell, or summoned as the first rendition of the soul of cinder to defend the fire/test the challenger, and when you beat him your soul alone was powerful enough to link it.
In Dark Souls 3 it's weaker. It seems to get weaker every time it's linked, so it needs 5 lords who have been proven able to link the fire before to do it again.
>Archdragon Peak
I wish they'd make a Souls game that always had this kind of atmosphere. The grimmdark shit really starts eating away at you after a while. That level felt like a different game
>>336322195
That's just a reference to Yuria the Witch from Demon's Souls.
There's tons of references, and you even get references of references, and references split up into several different references.
Both Yuria of Londor and Karla the Witch are references to Yuria the Witch. Karla's garb is heavily based on Yuria's witch garb.
Also, Yuria is a reference to Annalise with her mask, whose mask is a reference to Griffith from Berserk.
Dark Souls is just dozens of references stitched together to form a game.
>>336329834
Okay, so who was the Soul of Cinder and why was he there?
I get that it's supposed to be an amalgamation of people that have linked the flame, but isn't that redundant with the LoC's?
>>336329634
Thank you my friend you made me happy.
so thats Quelana's body next to her sister?
if so then it looks like even when we tried to help it amounted to nothing.
>>336329571
Not Gwynevere. And we also don't get to make specific items relating to characters with those souls like Ornstein.
Without "lol it was an illusion" it's easily explained that Smough didn't kill Ornstein and he got away before Smough died.
Or, neither died and Smough died sometime later defending against Aldrich or some shit. Who knows?
Either way, one piece of text is too vague to retcon a very important fight away as simply being an illusion.
>>336307582
The darkwraiths are sick of their jump ->grab ->grab ->jump moveset
>>336329963
If things go the way the flame wants, you wouldn't be hunting down and killing the lords of cinder and forcing them to comply, so fighting the soul of cinder wouldn't really be redundant at that point. If you want to link the fire, I guess it's supposed to be a test. But you might also be there to snuff it out or steal it, in which case it would be there to defend the fire.
>>336330069
How is it easily explained Smough didnt kill Ornstien when we literally see him Kill Ornstien and use his soul to power up
You see it agaim with Nameless king and the Storm King because that was the custom during the age of gods.
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