>there are people out there that beat their first playthrough with pyromancy
It doesn't get much more braindead easy than casting a 1000 damage fireball at a safe distance for every fight in the game
The game can't be enjoyable this way right?
>>336296125
why would you get mad a people playing the game different than you?
you sound like a retard if you chose not to use the most OP way to beat the game, FROM provided pyromancy for players
don't hate the players hate the game
I just use it for flash sweat and flame weapon #notallpyromancers
80 stat investment in 3 different stats before it becomes usable
vs
Raw weapon +10 with like 5 points put in to wield it
Casters are so fucking dull in this game you don't get to trash them
does it count if you use flame weapon? I really only use it so I don't have to farm souls for pine resin
Melee all the way. If you don't, ur a faget. All pts into strogth or gtfo.
>>336296125
im enjoying my miracles, and pyro/sorc spells
Which is more OP, Royalty or Pyromancer?
>>336297715
This.
>>336297962
The Twin Princes weren't too hard, but at least they can oneshot you. So can the Nameless King and Oceiros. Pyromancy can't.
I'm going to have to side with Royalty here.
>>336296125
>No alternate/different versions of pyro flame
I felt a little shafted by this
Eh, there's more ways to make the game even easier. Dunno what you're bitching about.
The only time this would be a problem is if the player were to be spouting git gud and shit.
Now you're just calling attention to them, which will lead to them retaliating, which will lead to your autistic asses complaining about how they play their single player experience.
>power within used to last 100 seconds
no wonder it seemed so short in ds3
>>336296125
There's thousands of ways to gimmick the fuck out of this game if you know what you're doing dunno why you picked pyromancy of all things to complain about
Pyromancy is the most fun.
It's less braindead than just spamming soul arrows, as you actually have to think about the trajectory of the spells. You've also got lots of buffs, the combustions which are basically a melee attack. There's also Boulder Heave which has a great utility for using on ledges.
I mostly like pyromancy for the druidic aspect.
I never actually used pyromancy before because you didn't need to invest in it. I'd always forget about it and just use my melee weapons. But now that you have to invest stats for it I feel like it's more useful and investing.
>>336296125
>1000 damage fireball at a safe distance
What game are we talking about here?
It's my favorite magic school in das and das 2 I wouldn't invest in str or dex so I would mostly just use a dagger or a hand axe or that magic mace you get. The best though is getting that second glove I love using two pyro gloves.
>>336298268
Apparently one of the talismans found in lava is the other way to cast pyromancy.
It is near Toxic Mist I think. Also I totally missed these items in my playthrough because I didn't want to jump into lava.
On that note, I think there is an extra area in Smouldering Lake I haven't been to - near the Antechamer bonfire I see a high up ledge and enemy noises but no way to get there.
>>336296125
>there are people out there that beat their first playthrough with pyromancy
>there are people out there that beat their first playthrough with sorcery
>there are people out there that beat their first playthrough with miracles
>there are people out there that beat their first playthrough with dex weapons
>there are people out there that beat their first playthrough with str weapons
>there are people out there that beat their first playthrough by hitting things with a weapon in general
>there are people out there that beat their first playthrough at all
>there are people out there that beat their first playthrough in a way I don't agree with for whatever reason
this is how you sound.
>>336301698
>There are plebs out there that chose any class except the one I did.
But actually fuck knights.
>>336301518
>Pick pyromancer in DaS1
>End up playing with Zaphander and silver knight armor
Eh, i liked smacking stuff better
>>336301880
>there are people out there that chose any class except the one I approve of
>there are people out there that chose any gift aside from the one I like because they others suck
>there are people out there who actually rolled ever or used a shield at any point
I missed a few, thanks for reminding me.
>>336296125
I've played souls since demons, but have never understood casting. I've only played strngth char with a fireball as back up, only put in enough points to be able to cast it too.
>>336302171
Equip focus item and press the magic button. What's there to understand?
>>336298197
Hi newfriend
>>336301698
God How I hate when the spergs from /v/ loses their shit only because I fucking summon, If me enjoying the playthrought with all the features at display is too much for you then fuck off.
>decide to spice things up and try spells instead of pure strength or quality
>faron darts do single digit damage
>whew lad
>ok we'll just use light swords since we don't want to go 20+ deep into str for heavy weapons or whatever this playthrough is DIFFERENT
>soul arrows/fireballs do like 100 damage
>find more caster stuff, find more vendor unlocks, find rings that greatly boost damage, etc, get up to 30 int
>great chaos orb doing 400-500 damage!
>kinda cool
>can cast it three times before outta FP
>FP sippies compete with Sunny D
>all that effort playing through to Boreal Valley again so I can cast fireballs that hit as hard as a single swing of an infinite use heavy weapon or 2 of a faster light weapon
And of course all the really big spells and spell gear are in Grand Archives and 50-60 Int. I'm glad I can respec and that I just wanted a lowbie pvp alt.
>>336302615
Get an int weapon, you dunce
>not infusing your Astora's /ss/ with Blessed and watching as it does 60 damage a swing with 35 faith by the time you get to Lothric Castle
>not going in questline blind and thinking you need to summon every npc possible for every fight possible and make sure they survive to continue their questlines
You don't even know my struggle. Shit was 100% a pain in the ass, trying to keep no-damage Sirris and Anri alive while you also do no damage. Dragging Sirris through Dragonslayer Armour and Twin Homos was the fucking worst of it, and imagine my surprise when I find out it was all for fucking nothing. The only helpful summons were Eygon, DaS2bro, and Seigward if you count him. Everyone else except Hawkwood was ass, and Hawkwood was mediocre all the same.
>>336302171
My first was DS1 and I eventually dipped into sorcereries because of the utility, then fast-forward and I'm full crystal soul spear slave to the wiki.
Crystals are corrupting indeed.
>>336301646
How are you supposed to get at that stuff in the lava without dying anyway? Is there a lava ring like in DaS?
>>336302762
I've got the Crystal Rapier. It gets the job done but the scaling never feels too strong so I mix it with a few other weapons. Were there others I missed? Obviously I could use infusions but I've found one crystal gem so far. And I reckon I did just get a Chaos Gem from Izalith before I quit for the night.
Which was my point. Castering is pretty fucking rough if you can look forward to 1-2 scaling weapons about halfway into the game. It also feels like it defeats the purpose a bit if I should just toss Raw onto the biggest, most reliable sword I can find and pretend my magic is helping me out while the swordplay does the heavy lifting.
Maybe if Simple Gems were available before the last third of the game?
How about letting everybody play the game however they want?
Wait, this is /v/, I should have known.
>>336302768
I hate that I missed Seig at Ithryll because I didn't notice the sewer opening and instead went into the dungeon.
Made absolutely sure with two other mates that I co-op'd with then and directed them to the sewer.
>>336303039
Flame Ring, Speckled Ring, Flash Sweat, Pyromancer's Clothing and keep your fast rolls, roll twice or so and then drink Estus in that pattern.
Additionally as you level I expect your fire defence gets higher, but I did it at 65 which provides I assume 120 reduction per tick before absorption from armour and rings.
>>336303109
I dunno, use infusions that remove scaling then? I've yet to play DaS3 so fucked if i know what's different
>>336297715
>he uses raw weapons
>>336303109
I had some trouble with my INT build, but my pyro was downright busted. Taking off a boss's health bar with about 8 casts is something else.
Although it bit me in the ass when Soul of Cinder resisted everything I had and I had no decent melee weapons.
>>336303478
Raw weapons are for casters.
>>336303478
They are effective if the scaling doesn't provide much, obviously green bobby.
>>336296125
pyromancy sucks dick until that last 1/3 of the game and even then it's only "decent"
>>336298197
>Oceiros
>oneshot
With what? I know the breath doesn't. Is it one of those leaps that always miss anyways because his legs don't deal damage?
>>336302615
>spice
>spells
Ha
>>336303756
You know, I felt like this whole game I could die in two-three attacks from just about any boss.
Just about any hit received was an estus drunk.
I played over half the game with the minimum requirements for Tears of Denial, they saved me against any of the grab attacks bosses have that typically take off 80% of health.
But then I didn't level my character up very high like some other players.
Anyone have a different experience?
>>336302349
well i mean the numbers. I think one stat increases casting speed? I never saw casting viable as the main attack. I never knew how allocating points would work for casting.
>There are people unironically defending magic users in general on Dark Souls
God I hate neo /v/
>there are people on /v/ who don't use Caestus only
>>336304467
Casting speed is increased by dexterity in DaS1 and 3, attunement in 2
>>336296125
i don't know, maybe its because I just fought crystal sage and he's a ranged boss but I find actual str or dex builds to be more effective than magic or pyromancy
to be quite and totally honest my family and friends, I didn't even find Cortana until my third playthrough
I'm not sure how others did there first go around.
I still have no idea how to equip or cast a spell. first time playing a souls game.
I'm just rolling and swinging at shit.
>>336304528
Two days ago I made a Thief, grabbed the Uchi, defeated the dancer using the exploit, grabbed myself the Shadow set and a Claw off hand.
I looked like a god-damn Shinobi. I dumped all my points into luck and had it at about 35.
I couldn't bleed anything, or kill any enemy with the claws. I stopped mid-way through the settlement, realizing that this gimmick bleed playthrough wasn't going to be any different from any other playthrough.
>>336296125
Pyromancy is shit in Dark Souls 3
>>336304921
attunement at a bonfire, no problem bro
>>336305060
pyromancy was only ever decent because it didn't require stats for it to be effective
>>336304921
Pyromancy in DaS1 only scales with flame level, which makes it great for non-caster builds as some kinda damage backup
>>336304921
Step 1: Buy your desired spell or find it.
Step 2: Attune it at a Bonfire. Make sure you have the required stats.
Step 3: Equip a casting tool.
Step 4: Press either R1 or L1 to cast your spell, depending on which hand you have your casting tool in.Step 5: Quickly realize that almost all spells, pyromancy aside, are terrible and go back to whacking things.
>>336304489
magic takes far more knowledge of the game though. you have to know where to pick up spells, how to use them, be able to deal with low vit/end and armor, know enemy timing, spacing, movement...
...whereas the true ez mode is strength builds with a greatshield. you can poisetank, turtle, and generally sit in front of the boss's dumb face until you decide you want to attack guaranteed uninterrupted before you back up and heal
as a mage I can cast crystal soul spear at a maximum of about 4-6 times depending on how much risk and hp I want to use. black knight halberd can do very similar damage with the 2h strong attacks as long as the weapon doesn't break. and they never do.
My second character is a Pyro, largely because of the ember effect and now you can have 'glowing' eyes. I'd never done a pyro in a Souls game before, anyhow.
It was fun in its own way, seeing how monstrously I could overpower everything by just throwing the sun at it. I did use a Dark Battle Axe on the side, though.
>>336305202
>>336305128
t-thanks
>Chucking fireballs at things isn't fun
Are you gay, OP?
>>336296446
>>336301698
You sound like the type of guy who has a hard time enjoying videogames because of his crippling fear of people calling you a pleb for your playstyle. The type of guy to use cheats but nervously look over his shoulder when he does it, ready to militantly defend it from anyone who might judge you.
It's just banter, dry your tears
>>336305615
I know this is a meme, but this is, like, actual psychological projection right here.
>>336305202
Quite a few are great if you intentionally want to cripple yourself to up the challenge.
>>336305006
Bleed isn't viable without applying Carthus Rouge to the weapon but then it gets ridiculously good. With that it takes roughly 4-6 hits at 34-40 luck to get anything to bleed (depending on bleed resistance). This means the actual weapon should be one with a fast attack or better yet special (like spinning attacks) for a nearly instant bleed. The upside of relying on Carthus Rouge is that a bleed/poison infusion isn't necessary and one can (or rather should) opt for weapon damage instead.
Bleed builds are extremely strong and need a nerf but most players think the native weapon bleed effect or an infusion are enough when in reality only the applied resin contributes bleed value.
Rate my build idea.
>Me and my friend co-op and wait for invaders
>One of us namedJotaro Kujo, the other namedStar Platinum
>SP disguises himself with Chameleon while JK stand out in the open and waits for invaders
>JK uses the "Point Forward" Gesture
>SP rolls forward and begins chasing the invader
>Both using Caestus
>>336305326
Anything else you need help with friend?;]
>>336304439
No yeah thats my experience right there even down to having Tears for the later boss fights. Then again i was running a caster build so I had 16VIG(enough so that NK 1st phase won't one shot me on ALL of its attacks, Even then I had to wear good armor to not die to half of his attacks) at SL70.
>>336305202
The utility spells are pretty useful even on non-casting builds
>>336305860
Hence "almost".
Spook is a legitimately great spell, much to my surprise.
How often do you actually use weapon arts vee? I forgot they exist, they all seem like shit.
I went from a str/faith character to a new pyromancy character and it's been really easy so far.
I plan to go full pyro and not use any other weapon but I'm not sure how viable it will be.
>want to use dex sword and ranged weapon in each hand
>crossbows don't benefit from stats
>bows need 2 hands
:(
![great_chaos_fire_orb[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/2yBLT5q.png "great_chaos_fire_orb[1].png")
>>336297715
you don't need any stats to do insane damage with pyromancy in Dark Souls 3. The stats are just a tiny bonus.
At 10/10 faith/int and 10 attunement, this spell right here will fucking destroy everything in the game. Just put two of your flasks to ashen flask and you'll never run out because it 1 shot kills everything and takes a very tiny amount of FP to cast.
Of course it's better if you deck out all your ring slots to help out your pyromancy, but it is not needed. If you don't put any rings to use, you'll be 2 shot killing things instead of 1 shot.
The kicker here is that this spell has zero stat requirements, the pyromancy flame has zero weight, and every single class besides warrior starts with an attunement slot so any build can just have this shit available to them with no downside at all aside from maybe missing out on Flame Weapon
>>336305698
Wow no shit sherlock
Pyromancy is worth it just for Sacred Flame, the rest is just icing on the cake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UatUTgTMDk
Shit's fun yo!
>>336305803
i dont know if this is some JJBA shit but this is beautiful
>>336305978
Katana parry is one of the most satisfying things to pull off. Great weight to it and fantastic sound effect. I went out of my way to use it just 'cause
>>336306426
>hit enemy with sacred flame
>it does less damage than chaos fire orb
REEEEE
at least it's fun to stunlock NPC red phantoms every time they stand up though
>>336306385
too bad you get it so far into the game, like most interesting things
>>336306385
it does take 2 slots to equip this spell, though
>>336306428
It is JJBA, yes.
>>336300385
combustions are useless though.
>>336306684
damn I forgot
well I guess that's 4 soul levels or a ring slot tax then
>>336306679
you only need to beat 2 bosses to get it. Vordt and abyss watchers, then grab the book
>>336296125
Not my fault they can't add Warlock/Necromancer class and Pyro is closest.
>sorcery is shit
>miracles are shit
>hexes are the shittiest
>pyromancy is OP as fuck
why is this allowed?
>>336305961
Well it does combine two useful spells(fall control and Hush), the first spell because not taking fall damage is always good/bypass areas the other spell because every enemy in this game seems to need glasses and have a less than 180 degrees alert range.
>>336305978
Started a new Str/Faith character wielding Axes and a shield, Warcry's alteration to the standard strong attack is surprisingly useful so its something I use a lot.
>>336306385
Two Slots to equip, 25 fp per use(3 uses at 10 attunement), slowish casting speed on a non-dex build. Still good for non-boss fights or any PVE situation so yeah its a really strong spell
>>336307357
> Still good for non-boss fights or any PVE situation so yeah its a really strong spell
A lot of bosses are weak to fire, most notably the anor londo boss, I destroy him in like 6 fireballs.
Casting speed is very fast for a Dark Souls 3 spell. All spells are sluggish and take years to come out by chaos seems faster than normal.
It's very strong in PVP if you freeaim and throw it at the ground, especially the lava fucks up people that roll spam
>>336307117
>miracles are shit
>>336307117
>DaS1
>magic in general is easymode
>sorcerers are OP as fuck in PvP and PvE, especially everything from AotA
>miracles are viable
>anyone with souls can be a pyromancer, and it's slightly less OP than sorcery
>DaS2
>sorcery still easymode
>hexes range from useless to broken, eventually nerfed to the point of simple viability
>miracles start off good, but get nerfed into oblivion
>DaS3
>every form of magic is shit and is inevitably outclassed by melee
>pyromancy is the only one close to being decent but necessitates a strong melee weapon for backup in PvP especially
>even then you're getting the same results, if not less, than a quality build
>>336301880
nah but actually you're a fag
>>336303471
Also you can block lava
Looking to fix my build. Using estoc but would like to infuse. Any ideas?
why does /v/ hate people that summon for boss fights so much
It's much more fun with other people albeit 10x easier
>>336309112Get a real weapon fagola
>>336305698
And... you want to have sex with it?
>>336309631
Same thing that makes smogon rules and FINAL DESTINATION shit happen.
It's just what happens when you share an interest with autists.
who
/depraived/
here?
>>336309631
>Summon for boss fight because it's more fun
That's fine.
>Summon for boss fight because it's too hard for you
Seems like it would make the victory less satisfying, but it's cool, that's your choice too.
>Summon for a boss fight and sit as far back as you can while the phantoms solo it
why
>>336309741
I've used the estoc for my character since dark souls. Fuck the haters
>>336309741
Go to bed skylark
>>336296125
It's not about fun, it's about checking it off the backlog.
>>336310978
>Summon for a boss fight and sit as far back as you can while the phantoms solo it
To make "dark souls' easy mode" videos i guess.
Also maybe you're playing with a friend and your much better than you at this point friend told you to stay back because it's your 5th go and you keep fucking up and dying.
>>336310043
Uh, I went deprived. Is that what you are asking?
I actually quite like that from base stats and any of those stat boosting rings you can use a huge variety of spells or equipment.
>>336301646
Like Quelaag's sister's hair talisman is cool and all in that it two types of spells but its not as strong as a regular pyro flame
>>336306053
dumb sakuraposter
>>336297962
Definitely Royalty. Still have to try manage FP or deal with limited casting or whatever, and if I fail to do so my melee is shit when a Pyromancer. But when I'm Royalty I don't remember ever having to give a single fuck, just rolled and shot or poked as I pleased.
>>336313479
Yeah, apparently it is crap for heals or damage - only buffs.
And ironically it is terrible for Dark spells I think.
I hate how good the Dork sword is.
I can't stand not using it.
Wish spears were better 2bh
Is the Dragonslayer Swordspear worth it or did I get memed on.
