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What are some fun builds to try out until the demo ends?
Also, why do Strength and Skill say that it allows the use of heavier/more technical weapons, but all katanas i found actually scaled with heart, and all spears i found actually scaled with body?
poor man's souls game with the shitter 3-tier combat
>>336252243
nice opinion
it's not much like souls though, unless you think souls invented action combat
>>336252109
Strength does scale with the heavier weapons though, axes and hammers.
Futa butts make me nuts.
>>336252617
Haven't found a hammer with more than C strength scaling
I keep getting my arse handed to me
Help
>>336253197
press triangle or square
How to be good at this game :
-use a spear and press triangle
>>336253254
Thanks
What are all this grave things everywhere
Are they pvp summons?
>>336253372
The square attack of the high stance spear is the best one, dummy.
>>336253426
They are like the bloodstains in dark souls except they summon a zombie AI version of a dead player
Game doesn't have PvP yet
>>336253426
Yes. They're AI controlled dead player characters you can fight for loot.
GameFAQs found a leveling exploit in level 2. Every level after level 50 takes like killing everyone in the entire first area, including the boss, just to level up to 51. It takes 5,000,000 souls to level up every time after 50, but using the exploit can easily allow you to get to level 100 in the demo. Don't know why you would want to do that though.
>>336252109
seemed more like they're used as stat requirements if anything as the only stats that scale well are heart body and stamina
>>336252109
ninja build isn't too bad fire shuriken dos 950 to plebs with like 12 burn, poison 122 but blast area is small and hard to get them infected 305
>>336254149
this is level 2 enemies iirc
I... I just can't do it lads. I just cant git gud at this game. Played for 2 hours today and I'm still dying to the first group of 2 enemies. I can't even imagine how the guy who made that video jumping around with a spear like it was devil may cry did it. Seemed like he had infinite stamina but my stamina bar drains in like 3 attacks.
I give up.
>>336254273
Master the Ki Pulse no jutsu
Stat in mid stance until you get the hang of combat
Don't show your back to enemies
Don't be greedy
>>336254273
I got shit on when i started too, but getting shit on by the first group of enemies for 2 hours is kind of insane anon.
Do you know about stances and ki-pulse?
>>336254273
Dude even DSP managed to get to Nue.
>>336254747
No. Explain
>>336254273
>Seemed like he had infinite stamina but my stamina bar drains in like 3 attacks.
That is why you go for two instead and back out of there. And for the love of god, don't piss off more then two enemies at a time.
>>336254273
gb2dork soles you casual
>>336254273
I find it's easiest to run up and gank the sword guy while he's got his back turned, then run back down to the beach.
They separate from eachother doing stupid shit like jumping down the cliff, so you can finish off the sword guy if you didn't already and then focus on the axe guy.
But if you're having trouble with those two dudes then you're going to hate the group of five up the hill.
>>336254865
When you attack, just before your stamina regens you will see a white bar filling up your stamina gauge. If you press R1 during that time you will instantly regenerate all the stamina within that white bar.
Also R1+ Triangle, X and Square changes your battle stance. Low stance has low damage hits, but you can perform the ki-pulse by dodging too, mid stance is medium damage, and all about guardian and parrying, and high stance is high damage, high stamina cost.
>>336253507
Taling about mid stance spear actually. high stance is decent but pretty underwhelming compared to low or mid stance. triangle on mid stance does stupid damage and eats enemy stamina incredibly quickly
>>336254889
kill yourself
>>336255117
How do I parry?
>>336255560
parrying/counter is useless since it's so high risk and it uses a lot of ki it also doesn't even work on Yokai. You are better off blocking/dodging
>>336254889
This game is easier than dark souls
I missed up my lvl 11 by dumping everything in heart. I'm going to start over, What is a good noob build?
>>336256015
Heart is the op stat my friend
>>336256015
Dumping everything into heart is the noob build. Pick up a katana, use the rest of your Amrita to meet the reqs if you don't, pick up some stamina to wear heavier armor, and you are set.
Literally how am I supposed to fight more than 1 enemy at a time? I cant even keep up with just dodging/blocking when there's 3 guys on me, let alone even getting in a single counterattack without getting severely punished.
>>336256015
Heart is a good stat. Katanas scale with heart. Just keep going
>>336256284
Spear or low stance katana for sick dodging and re-positioning.
>>336255560
You can't parry unless you learn the skill for it.
After leveling up, tap the gamepads touchpad and go to learn skill.
Parries can only be performed in mid stance with a katana, but like >>336255868 said it's incredibly high risk, so i don't do it, but if you somehow master it it probably helps a lot
>>336255898
Kill yourself. Is how hard a game is and how big of an epeen you can can say you have because you beat X le hardcore game the only fucking thing you care about? Same with >>336254889 , fucking retard
>>336256371
and hitting for 10 damage
>>336255898
Youre fuckin insane
How the fuck do you perform the low stance katana Left Stick up + X skill? It says you can do it after a combo, but after trying to do it like 50 times i've never gotten it even once. But the leap with the spear i can do. Does the skill not work correctly or something?
>>336256382
This game is easier than dark souls
>>336256508
With low-stance Katana?
Use the triangle attack. It's pretty beefy, actually. And since you can Ki pulse with dodges in low-stance Katana, you can easily pull away and keep all of your Ki.
With low-stance Spear, do the same. The triangle attack is a wide sweep.
>>336252109
this is my build anon.
build is in the description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr-_xdTiaGY
I had a blast with this demo, it was a goddamn crash course in gid gud. I bashed my fucking brains out against the first few enemies so many times. Then the next few. then the next few. You die, over and over again, until you git gud - or at least learn how to play the game.
tips for beginners
1. This isn't Dark Souls 3. Do not spam R1(Square), you will run out of Stamina and die
2. This isn't Dark Souls 3. Do not run out of Stamina, you will die.
3. This isn't Dark Souls 3. Do not try to block everything, you will run out of stamina and you will die
4. This isn't Dark Souls 3. Do chain panic rolls/dodges to avoid attacks, you will run out of stamina and you will die.
Noticing a pattern? NOT DARK SOULS 3 and STAMINA, IT'S IMPORTANT.
Your Stamina/Ki is your life line, you use it to do anything. When you run out, you are exhausted and stunned, standing there like a retard, for a good 2 to 3 seconds while you pray for the AI to miss you. This can happen against ANY enemy if you aren't careful. At least at first, every enemy requires concentration and focus
But the game WILL get easier. Partly from sheer familiarity as you come to grips with the pace of it's combat and how inputs work. Partly from leveling up and the games feedback loop.
See, unlike Dark Souls, selling items is a VITAL part of this games economy. Making offerings at the shrine of the billions of pieces of shit you pick up is important, because it prevents you from ever getting truly stuck. Die and lose all your Amrita? Sell off your junk and level up. Use the Samurai Points you get from leveling up to unlock moves or passive improvements. Even if you double die and seemingly lose all your progress, you still have your vendor trash, which will allow you to improve. Another important thing it does is give you random gifts - extra Elixirs (Estus), as well as repair items for your weapons and armor. At first breakage will be a serious issue, eventually you'll swim in Glue and Whetstones.
just tried the demo earlier, was a fun ride
will leave the 2nd boss and other experimentation for the full game tho, want it to feel fresh
hadn't played souls since DaS since mostly lost interest, but this will work for me
Where is the last spirit in the 2nd area? The 15% amrita one. I don't know if the demo just ends after Nue so I want to find it before I finish
Reminder that DSP had no trouble at all with this game
>>336257051
Leveling up is much more paramount in this game than in Dark Souls, because it increases your options in all sorts of ways. Every stat does multiple things, and every stat gives you samurai points. Pay close attention to what leveling up boosts and decide whats best for you. Don't underestimate the value of Ninjutsu or Magic, as both of these can be game changers. Ninjutsu improves your stamina and movement economy, Magic gives you powerful buff and debuff talisman that can make many enemies much easier.
Earlier I mentioned Stamina/Ki and how important managing it was. How do you do that? First get a feel for how much Ki you use when attacking - the last thing you want to do is spam 4-5 attacks in high stance and exhaust yourself. Master the ability called Ki Pulse, which is when you press R1 when your ki bar glows over your used portion - this allows you to instantly recover that stamina and can have other affects (blowing away Miasma, which weakens you, or reacting to certain abilities). In low stance, dashing/dodging (X) acts as a Ki Pulse, letting you hop around like Sanic while simultaneously recovering your Ki.
High Stance is for doing loadsa damage, is slow, costs lots of Kit.
Mid Stance is medium, is for parrying and defensive tricks
Low Stance is for light, fast attacks and rapid movement.
Don't worry about swapping between them mid combo at first, just tap R1 to catch your breath. Enemies stay staggered longer than in souls, especially if you break their Ki (bottom, grey) meter. Comboing them into ki break, pause, then hitting Triangle will perform a grapple, which is basically a parry stab. Knocking enemies prone and then using triangle will perform a ground stab. Both do loadsa damage.
>>336257051
Calm down, retard
>>336258319
no one will read this shit dumbass. I can figure out the game by simply playing
>>336258319
kinda couldn't see much use for low stance in general
maybe if game has some hard-to-stagger fast enemies with low health later on
>Get two axe skills, one says to hold down triangle to spin with the axe, the other says to hold down triangle to slam the axe into the ground
>both say Hold Triangle
>none are at the end of the combo
So how do you perform one or the other? I can only perform the axe spin.
>>336258691
I didn't check axe skills but there's a skill customization menu that makes you pick one or the other when skills overlap
on that topic, they better let us do stance-specific configs in full game
>>336257051
>>336258319
Save that stuff for when the game comes out. Might be useful for noobs.
>>336258319
Eventually you get a bow. Love the bow. Caress the bow. Snipe with the bow. The Bow is strongk. Use it to snipe weaker enemies in the head, killing them instantly, or to draw aggro on enemies to lure them into one on one conflict. Be aware some enemies will draw aggro in groups when you shoot at them. Some of them wear helmets, which you will knock off and alert them when you shoot them. And some are just 2 fly to snipe and will parry your arrow. In the latter two cases, the reticule will turn yellow alerting you shit won't do damage. Use R3 to zoom in and aim for the head, many weaker human enemies will die instantly.
Fighting Yokai and Humans is different. Humans you want to parry and/or stagger, and do lots of damage to kill fast. Yokai are harder, you can't parry their attacks (at least I haven't been able to), and will conjure miasma to recover their Ki/deplete yours. You want to attack and retreat with them, whittling them down. Both kinds of enemy may call for a variety of approaches. Don't be afraid to use items to even the odds. Magic Talismans are especially useful for this, particularly the stamina regeneration/anti yokai ones, though Sloth is a good crutch too (people will shit on you for using sloth talismans and grenades)
>>336258691
open your menu. Next to LEARN SKILLS is SKILL CUSTOMIZATION, which lets you customize your combo's and abilities by stance. I have Spin Axe for medium stance and Earth Splitter for high, for example. Use R1 to select weapon, R2 to select stance. You can't fully customize, sadly, so you can't set it up so you automatically do Mad Spinner at the end of a combo for example. But it lets you swap which ability you use when you hold Triangle, and so forth.
>>336258970
also, can't help but feel we should be able to set different finishers
>it changes all 3 at once
>>336256621
Try holding down forward+x. That's what seemed to do the trick for me, but with the spear in low stance in my case. I couldn't get it consistently, but then I realized holding both button inputs down initiates the attack.
>>336258970
You already can do stance specific configs though?
>>336259067
Yeah the fact you can't set different finishers bothered me.
>>336259115
you can? I guess I missed it then
I've been stuck with a heavy stance finisher even when I use mid-stance, and if I set a mid-stance one, I can no longer use the heavy one..
>>336256621
You do it before the end of your attack. If you do it after you get a normal dodge. That's all there is to it.
>>336257734
You do realize his ineptness is an act, right?
so what does "vs yokai" do exactly
I assume it's some sort of resistance given there's also vs poison and such, but been wondering if it really did anything
>>336259361
>h..he was just pretending!
Why would he pretend to be good at this game of all things? He could pretend to be good at Dark Souls 3 instead and make a lot of people salty. This game is just easy man
>>336259538
It's "vs. Yokai Realm" isn't it? I assume it relates to your resistance to the Ki stiffing effect when you're surrounded in the underworld aura.
>>336259538
I believe it's resistance to Yokai miasma, which inhibits your Ki regen when yokai summon their spoopy fog aura.
>>336257051
Don't forget to use your bow. A head shot can either flat out kill or seriously damage a enemy.
>>336259765
pretty much never had to fight multiple enemies at once mostly thanks to bow
Just beat the boat Oni and but I still haven't figured out how co-op works in this game. I managed to get one guy to show up once but I don't know how to get summoned by other players. Is this something you need to unlock?
Is the -X% damage on armor supposed to be a debuff to your attack, or is that supposed to be incoming damage?
>>336259997
On the map screen, select a level and before you go into it press Square. It's right at the bottom.
>>336259998
Nah it's incoming damage. Tends to vary based on the weight from what I've seen.
>>336259936
It took me awhile to but once I learned to use the bow, most of my problems disappeared.
hope full game will have a revised upward difficulty curve
demo had a bit of a learning curve that was harder than my first souls game, but then it was all downhill from there with singled out stunlocked enemies and bosses
bow especially kinda ruined things
What scales with dexterity?
>>336260413
Ninja shit, I believe.
>>336260413
dexerity is so last gen, it's all about heart and skill now
>>336260413
Ninjutsu, even says so in the level up screen family
>>336257051
I played the game like dark souls and just punished whiffed attacks with either high stance katana combo or the single strong attack
I completely wasted points in strength and skill as well, and didn't know about ki pulse and I still beat both stages at a decent pace (the boat Oni killed me the most)
>>336260413
Bow damage and Ninjutsu.
>>336260762
>about ki pulse
Ki what?
>>336260762
boat oni sure felt easy after beating it once, don't think I could lose to it ever again
did give me trouble at first though
>>336260997
After you attack, look at your ki gauge
You see some of the spent ki refills in white, if you press r1 (or dodge in low stance) you gain it back
I don't really like the system in anything but low stance
I really, really hope that the second level of the demo isn't an indicator of how many demons vs. humans we are going to fight later in the game.
First level had a lot of humans and a couple of demons, but in the second level you have loads of demons, which sucks becuase demons simply aren't even half as fun to fight as humans.
I really hope that doesn't mean that after halfway through the game we'll only get to fight demon's and no more humans. That would completely destroy the game for me
Nioh is the biggest surprise of the year so far. These threads remind me of Beseged threads from last year.
>>336261147
>lose to that boss several times in a row
>feel like a failure
>go check the area again to see if missing anything
>find "harakiri sword"
>not a normal sword but an item literally used to kill yourself
t-thanks game, just what I needed to retain my honor
>>336260273
You need ps+ for matchmaking?
>>336261369
I hope we will get enough enemy variety.
And I doubt we can get those with human enemies, I guess we pretty much explored everything that can go.
Maybe some sort of Mage enemy is all I can think of instead of just giving the dues stronger armor and weapons.
>>336261149
The gains are most obvious in mid and high.
It's kind of worthless in low stance since the stamina drain is minimal.
>>336261702
Nope, not for the demo.
>>336261369
Yup. The game, as a whole, is awesome.
But as you said, demons fucking SUCK to fight. They are unflinching bullshit with ridiculous hitboxes, unfun attacks, shitty yokai gate bullshit, etc...
Oh, and none of your cool weapon skills work on them. Not parrying, not flying over them to do plunging attacks or back attacks, NOTHING.
Every encounter consists of a min-maxed approach to get them into their stunlock state ASAP.
>>336261369
You mostly used mid stance didn't you?
>>336261719
You're kinda underestimating just how varied you could make humans considering how many different kinds of weapons are possible, as well as how many different ways they could be wielded.
I'd really just rather play dark souls than this
It's just a really uninspired game
>>336262119
In the status screen you can see Isonade, Katanas, and what appears to be a sickle and chain weapon.
In your weapon skills tree , there's a missing section.
>>336262021
Fighting Yokai is great, it gives you something totally different that just fighting humans, and you can do pretty much everything you can do to humans on them except for parries, you just have to time it better or get them out of Ki. The pools make you actually use Ki Pulses perfectly too. Fighting one type of enemy is refreshing and makes fighting the other more interesting, there's nothing wrong with different enemies needing different strategies.
>>336259559
You faggots say this game is easy when he lucks out on a Ninja oni getting stuck between a building a a fucking rock face.
DSP is not a gauge for anything. Stop watching DSP.
>>336262119
But they will probably still be normal armor wearing humans.
>>336262453
>excuses
If it's possible to "luck out" through the whole game consistently, the game is not hard
invested all in str lvl 23 using a axe and can't kill the first boss did i fuck up seems every one just usiing katana builds?
>>336262580
Not necessarily. The heavily armored humans fight exactly like William does. Who's to say we won't eventually fight humans that can use Ki Pulses or even Living Weapons?
>>336262453
You're talking to someone who watches fucking DSP. Fucking stop.
This game is just terrible, too terrible
>>336262692
don't get hit, and hit it until it stops moving
>>336262696
Yeah, you are right. I actually totally forgot the Ninjas being a thing, that is already a completly different enemy type who fights nothing like any enemy.
>>336252514
>Not much like Souls
Every thread lol. Next you are going to say it's like Onimusha when the only thing it has in common with it are white guys in samurai times.
>>336262404
>Fighting Yokai is great
Yeah, gotta love an enemy in which the depth of the game's combat mechanics evaporates completely.
Enemies that don't flinch at all until you've wailed on them like an angry child are garbage tier encounter design.
>broke like 100+ katanas going through the demo
fucking Japanese steel
>>336262692
The first boss just has a ton of health to compensate for being slow. You just have to be patient. Also no you fucked up by trying to make a minmaxed build in a demo when you could try out everything available.
>>336256284
visceral are invincible
Did dsp seriously beat Nue on his first try?
>>336262174
As much as I like souls, this is shaping up to be a much more polished game, possibly even more so than BB.
>>336262982
>try to watch an anime
>its almost all exposition with some animation
fuck, I want to watch it not read/listen to it
>>336263073
Nue is not a hard boss. People got misled by Onryoki and that tiny room.
Casual filter
>>336262938
Just kick them twice man, boom, all his Ki is gone.
>>336263073
He did not beat him at all. Did get close a few times, though, but in the end he gave upbecause he was too exhausted from fapping
>>336253507
It has a longer windup and is swung down so it won't work if the enemy is against a wall. Meanwhile, the heavy mid combo is faster and does great ki damage while not bouncing off walls in close spaces.
I usually go mid until their ki is burned down then switch to high for damage.
>>336263293
Nah, the point shortly ahead where you run into 3 if you go in blindly is the casual filter
>>336263297
Kick WHAT twice? The dwellers? Hitbox is the ground. The Ninja Oni? Good fucking luck. The little hopping guys? Haha.
Come the fuck on, stop excusing a poorly conceived enemy type.
>>336263293
I hope they'll limit the appearance of those red grave things a bit
there was like 10 on screen at once near start when I played earlier, and scattered everywhere nearby in large quantity as well, was kinda distracting
only calms down after the key area since I figure they didn't make it
>>336263073
>Watch DSP play
>He has a good understanding of the mechanics from the get go
>Manages to clear most of the first part without dying
>He makes it all look easy
Meanwhile I died at least 5 times to the guy on the beach
>>336263609
There was reverent right where you start the game, I thought you had to fight him in order to get his cool red sword.
>>336263636
>died 5 times on the beach
WTF, how!?
Got to Nue and died a couple of times. Damn he hits hard. Not sure if I got the patience to finish him but the demo sure has been fun. What's the "East Gate Key" for that you find to the left of Nue's entrance?
>>336254805
Did he continue his playthrough? I saw him stopping before boat boss. Didnt think he'll make it.
>>336263867
I keep spamming low stance attacks
>>336252243
As opposed to the R1 spam that is souls?
Nioh has, in the alpha, 3 weapons with 3 stances with each having 2 attacks plus a running attack. Then there's also skills specific to each weapon and to each stance. Plus you can create your own custom combos.
>>336263527
>The dwellers
Are you seriously having troubles with those? Jesus Christ they beg you to just stab them in the back when they flail around.
>Ninja Oni
You can still kick them after their stupid twirls, they are not so different from their sword/axe bros
>The little hopping guys
Dude they lose all their Ki on the first hit and die super fast after that. Just shoot them in the eye with a bow if you are to shit to just run up at them and slash them.
>>336262938
What about all the depth in learning their moveset and avoiding them while trying to get hits in? You do realise the only true differences between them is that you can't stunlock them until you reduce their Ki and you can't parry them, right? The depth of parries is replaced by the depth of dealing with their armour and heavy attacks. Again, there's nothing wrong with enemy variety and it makes Yokai seem like a great threat.
>>336263883
There is a wooden gate next to the entrance to the Nue garden. Inside the gate there is the 2nd shrine in this stage, and down the alley you will get some scary looking stone samurais that are surprisingly easy. There is a treasure chest with some spear also, I think.
>>336263919
I've heard he beat Nue on the first try but I don't know if that's true.
>>336263919
He beat Boat Oni in like what, three or four tries I think?
needs more healing item drops[/spiiler]
>>336263883
There's a gate to the right of Nue's entrance. That is where you'll find the second shrine in the area.
Nue attacks:
Lighting - Simply run around avoid obstructions. Don't even need to sprint. Or, hide under the roof of the entrance.
Lighting spray - Run to his left and beat on his face while he's doing it
Charge/Tumble - Avoid because lightning falls behind him
Poison gas - Run behind him as his tail readies
Swipes - Dodge away
Charge - Dodge left or right and wail on his belly while on the ground.
>>336263527
>complaining about the dwellers, ninja and one eyed ones
Oh right nevermind you're another one that doesn't use the stance system.
>try out co-op
>rush through the level slicing niggers in half left and right
>don't look at host for a second
>he ran off on his own into a group of 2 enemies
>gets killed in 2 fucking seconds
How's that even possible?
>>336264135
When are you finding the time to kick the ninjas? I've counted and they're never more than 1 mississippi before relocating.
And they hit extremely hard.
BTW, dwellers are bullshit. Stop making them seem like nothing. Grabs into grabs into grabs. You think I haven't been stabbing them when they're grounded or doing high stance light heavy when they're upright? They just suck.
>>336264272
Sacrifice trash items to the manlets, they shower you with healing items
>>336260496
Body and Heart is ridiculously strong. Not only does it affect HP and Stamina, but it's also the main stat for most spears and katanas. Though that being said it seemed like you wanted to invest in several skills. I just didn't touch the bottom two that were for ninjutsu and magic, though.
Man i think PvP would actually be kind of interesting in this game, considering how important ki management is, and how you can't just spam attacks until you're out of ki.
But then again, maybe everyone would just be running around using low stance and just evade everything and literally be as hard to catch as a fly
>>336264575
skill raises Ki more than heart -- and also raise katana damage, so even if you don't want skills it seems nice to me
Skill and Strength are just stats for armor and weapons.
Body, Heart, Dex, and Magic are stats for damage.
How do I advance from here?
>>336264272
I did have times I wished I could heal more, but at the same time I feel like the lack of healing items forces you to adapt sooner. You have to learn how to fight things since you'll never progress if you get hit all the time and need to go back to the shrine to refill.
I give up.
I can't beat Nue. I've even summoned 12 people and all of these shitlords died seconds after the fight started.
>>336264345
Don't care. Fuck enemies that don't stagger. Least rewarding shit in games. The very definition of damage sponges.
>>336264495
>When are you finding the time to kick the ninjas?
Every time they are done with one of their stupid ballerina twirls? One slash, kick, Ki-Dodge out and watch out for his next move. Easiest thing in the book.
>Grabs into grabs into grabs
But those are so easy to avoid. They basically go "HOL UP HOL UP, IMAH GRAB YOU NOW NIG" with how much start up animation the grabs have.
>>336264496
Thanks
>>336264837
Look left.
>>336264867
>calling others shitlords when you're summoning for help
I hope I got baited.
>>336264837
To the left over the roofs. Do you even into exploration?
>>336264837
Left you donut, theres a ladder.
>>336264837
Climb across the roofs, there should be a ladder near the big sword samurai.
>>336264776
Pretty much all the axes/hammers I found had B scaling in strength.
>>336264837
it's just tiny flames, not lava
roll through
>>336264745
PVP would suck hard in this.
Katana Mid Stance Heavy attack is high damage, low start up, low recovery frames, spammable
And yes, the Low Stance dodging would be insufferable.
So are Ki Pulses the R1 to refill the stamina? Or is it the Katana triangle ender? Either way i tried both against yokai gates and neither of them got rid of it, only having onmyo activated would get rid of it for me.
>>336264495
The oni ninja backflip after most of their attack, you have enough time to straight up high stance them if you want. Just keep a distance from them.
>dwellers are bullshit
Have you tried just not swinging first? Stepping around behind them? Hitting them and ducking out the moment they start to swing?
>>336264893
> he doesn't use low or high stance on the crawlers
> he doesn't use low stance on ninja oni for the fastest hit and kick combo in the game
> he doesn't low stance rape cyclops before they can tongue steal amrita
>>336264901
Stop responding to me. I just realized you're a sloth spamming fag.
>>336264837
Be very quick about running through the flames.
>>336265093
>go around the entire area
>lately realize could just go through flames
just
>>336265103
KI Pulse is R1 while the partiles are around you.
Perfect pulses are R1 when they're closest to William, causing a big PULSE that clears Yokai gates.
>>336265103
You need to do a "Perfect Reload" for the Ki Pulse to remove the miasma.
>>336265223
Keep telling yourself that, I don´t even know what Sloth truly does since all I ever leveled was Body and Heart.
>>336265103
You have to do a perfect Ki Pulse, as in wait until the white bar goes to the end of the gray one.
This game is really fun to play. It's not Dark Souls, it has more moves and the enemies take a lot of your health, while Stamina goes down really fast if you don't know how to control yourself.
Fun idea they had. The game isn't hard, it just requires you to not spam attacks like an idiot.
>>336265101
Yea this, give me a coop battle arena or something if anything, I dont want the game to start worrying about pvp balance, just keep the combat as it is. Pvp balance potentially fucking ruins games because you cant have cool shit, you have to have shit that is fair.
This game is piss easy for DSP
>it's harder than soulsborne games!
you wish.
>>336265375
with that onymou thing that regain Ki and Ki Pulsing on top, it hardly ran out for me -- by the end I was spamming like a madman and never stopping
it was just about knowing what I was doing
I just beat the cat.
Once I learned his attacks he was easy as shit compared to that cat in the DS2 DLC.
Also I can confirm dodges have iframes.
This game is too hard, still at the beginning after 2 hours
>>336264940
I'm not the shitter that dies within seconds. These faggots just wasted my cups.
>>336265375
>it just requires you to not spam attacks like an idiot.
Every fibre in my body objects strenuously
>>336265495
>tfw barely walk anymore and just doing successive dodge, then attacking again, and still not running out
>>336265438
Reminder: DSP mathematically proves that Ni-Oh is more difficult. He died 16.6 times per level in Dark Souls 3, whereas he died 20 times in the first stage of Ni-Oh's demo.
>>336265543
Just spam X and get to the enemy's back then hit a few times then run away for a bit.
Don't summon revenants till you get armor.
>>336265223
>these enemies are bullshit
>that's not true have you tried these strategies against them they work fine
>no way I bet you use this OTHER strategy I know about that works yet I refuse to use even though you didn't mention it and it would be effective as well
Listen to yourself man. This is not how a samurai acts.
>>336265546
Just kill Nue yourself what's wrong?
>>336264745
>>336265101
I think it'd be fine. To attack you first gotta stop dodging, so it'd boil down to predicting your enemy movements and responding to them accordingly, which I dont think is bad.
Heavy weapons would kinda suck, maybe, but meh, PvP balance should not be a priority.
>>336265435
Eh, it can be okay as a side gimmick like in DeS.
Just avoid gamebreaking exploits.
>oriental game
>blue eyes
>blond hair
>squared face shape
>>336265651
How can you spam attacks if everything dies in 1 hit? :^)
>>336265684
And how much did he die on the second stage? Probably two or three times. Average of 11 deaths per level. easy game
>>336264481
>how's that possible?
Because you die in two hits, dumb dumb
>>336265707
What do you get from beating reverants?
>>336265546
But you're a shitter that needs to summon people. You have absolutely no room to criticize others.
>>336265797
PVP is shit game design and should not be in games that aren't PVP focused from the outset.
It's that simple. As it stands, NIOH would have a horrible PVP experience.
>>336265925
A chance for them to drop their equipment and some combat practice.
Give me one (1) good reason to make they made the experience system just like souls.
>>336265925
They're not worth fighting. They're incredibly spammy/turtly bastards.
>>336265925
Armor and weapons.
>>336266101
start making sense first
>>336266148
>They're not worth fighting. They're incredibly spammy/turtly bastards.
They're absolutely worth fighting. The same difficulty as normal mobs but they give more amrita and potentially better drops. There's also normally tons of them so it's easy to farm them.
>>336265347
Man, fuck this shit game. Is it really not enough to be forced to r1after every fucking attack? You have to do it at just the right moment as well?
Shit game. Literally just an attempt to make a harder souls game.
>>336266165
One good reason you die you lose all your amrita if you die before retrieving it on the place you died.
Give one good reason they couldn't be more original about this game overall and had to copy the overall design from souls.
>>336265925
Mostly useless stuff. The one exception is the revenants with the red names. These are actually NPCs put there by the developpers, and some of them drop a good weapon + a whole armor set.
>>336266035
>NIOH would have a horrible PVP experience
Why?
>>336266101
>>336266378
>souls was the first game to punish you for dying
>>336266345
>The same difficulty as normal mobs
Wrong.
As someone said earlier, revenants have access to excellent moves they can spam that enemies do not.
All my best gear came off of human/yokai drops and not from Revenants. The risk/reward simply isn't there for fighting revenants.
Extremely inefficient way of getting Amrita too.
>>336266035
seem like it'd work to me as long as you don't make staggering / KI draining as pronounced as on regular enemies
>>336266365
Idk, the window to perform the key pulse is pretty big anon, if you do it right after your animation ends instead of spamming r1 like a retard you're good to go
>>336266365
Nah, it's just Ninja Gaiden with Souls framework.
And by perfect timing I mean "when the particles flash near William". It's ridiculously easy to do.
And KI pulsing after combos to speed up stamina regen will become second nature, especially since you get more if you stance switch during the pulse.
>>336266447
The punishment isn't the unoriginal part, it's the method that is completely unoriginial.
Thus your post is not an argument.
>>336266378
do you really think souls invented that system or something?
we were doing almost exactly that even in Diablo 2 16 years ago, and I assume other games did it before it too
>>336266485
>As someone said earlier, revenants have access to excellent moves they can spam that enemies do not.
Completely irrelevant. If revenants are noticeably harder than regular mobs then you're probably a shitter. You can just keep your distance and poke them with ease without ever getting hit. Occasionally they'll dodge your attack so I guess that's the only way they're "harder" than all the other enemies.
I don't know, it feels like a shittier Ninja Gaiden
Maybe the game just isn't for me
>>336266637
You don't do nothing like that in diablo 2 lad.
Nothing like it.
>>336266378
They did a nice touch with the Guardian Spirit mechanic.
>>336266498
It wouldn't really work, not with the mechanics as they currently exist. We also don't have a good guard break move (or any, IIRC).
William does very poorly against hyper evasive enemies, even with shit like Low Stance's Heaven's Flash.
this souls clone is totally different from souls games you guys
>>336266637
Game is too old so it doesn't count.
Thus your post is not an argument.
>>336266529
The only way to do it is to spam it. Im not gonna be able to keep track of how many fucking inches the blue orbs are away from me when Im trying to dodge 3 enemies charging me at once.
the logo is explicitly made to look like a bonfire
>>336266731
>die
>have to go get back your stuff
that's what D2 did, how is it different? except it dropped more stuff including your gears
>>336266672
>you're a shitter
Considering I stomp I every other enemy in the game? No.
You sound like someone who's never actually fought a Revenant that will spend a better part of a minute Low Stance dodging fucking everything. And let's not talk about the blatant input reading.
>>336266852
You can watch the bar to see when the timing is and then get used to it so you can focus on other things. It's really not that complicated.
>>336266852
Then this game is not for you. It demands skill, precision, and attention.
If DSP can master it, so can you.
>>336266852
I wasn't even thinking about it by the end, it's just something I do after every combos
>>336266873
Gear != experience points
Experience points is Souls, having something over it to reclaim it is Souls
Just so much on this game is ripped off Souls it's not even interesting to play
Be more original for fucks sake
>>336266852
You don't really have to ki pulse at all, and you can simply not fight in the black circles. They're just tools available if you choose to use them.
What I ended up doing was switching to low stance to clear black circles, since I could hit once and dodge to get out a perfect ki pulse very quickly.
>>336266909
I kill revenants with the extremely slow high stance axe with no problem. I have even less trouble if I use the spear or the katana. Just learn how to deal with them and stop complaining
>>336267075
it's more like a currency than experience
you just happen to be able to buy stats with it
>>336266909
>I don't struggle with X so that means I'm not a shitter
If revenants are giving you trouble then you're a shitter. Period.
I wish there was some sort of counter that would tell you how many revenants you've beaten. I'd like to say I'm nearing 100. Unfortunately I only came across 8 or 9 golden ones. Grab a katana and use mid stance triangle or grab a spear and use high stance square. As long as you're patient and don't get greedy you will shit on every single revenant.
>>336267075
You drop gold when you die in D2, you also lose experience on higher difficulties when they die.
did /v/ equip a weapon or try to punch the first thing they seen in the face?
>>336267668
IIRC you don't recover the exp if you die
That's a different type of punishment than that of souls, though not original to diablo
>>336267868
I parried the first guy with my bare fists.
>>336267868
I stood where you start and was trying out the buttons, one took me to the inventory so I equipped the sword. Do people seriously not play around with the buttons when they start a game?
>theres an guy there, I guess I have to kill him
>wait which button is to attack?
>ded
>game is bullshit! Too hard
How do these people even find their way out of their mothers womb.
>>336267868
My first death was to a revenant. I think my second was to the axe dude on the beach. My third was up in the village somewhere.
To answer your question I looked at all the menus and tested buttons and shit before moving much from the starting area because I've played a video games before in my life and I'm not a retard.
>>336267868
Some people are a powerful kind of retarded.
>>336267868
>tfw just fell into the bottomless abyss by venturing slightly into the water before seeing the first enemy
felt bad
just give me some hydra to go with that
>>336267868
I worried that I might have to brawl my way to a sword but then the katana was literally the first thing you pick up
>>336268149
>people in every thread whining about a tutorial
What's so hard about pushing a button and seeing what it does for yourself? It's like they think they'll die in real life or something.
>>336266852
You can literally just press it after your attack animation ends and you'll be fine
>>336268170
>watch flatmate play it
>starts game
>"can I go in the water?"
>immediately dies
>"for fuck sake"
Hadnt laughed that hard in ages.
>>336268340
well, Ki Pulse could use some more proper explanation
there was a note about it, but kinda obscure if you don't look it up
>Axe skill
>"Increases Ki consumption of high stance attacks by 10%"
This is a typo, right? Otherwise, why would you ever put points into that?
And no, it doesn't say Ki damage, it says Ki consumption. Open the skill menu and look for yourself if you don't believe me.
>>336268463
I remember wondering why I kept finding bloodstains marked "drowned" when the water was only waist high, wondering if you could get knocked down and drown.
Then I went the wrong way around a wrecked boat. Had a pretty good giggle
>>336268340
Those retards are the reason we get forced fucking tutorials in games. They think they're too good for tutorials and skip them, then they whine about the game being obtuse.
The solution to devs is to make tutorials forced and unskippable.
>>336268594
This guy is almost an example. When I get a popup saying a note has been added to my tutorial I fucking pause and check it out. This guy probably didn't and then he was confused about ki pulsing.
>>336268697
You sure it does not mean Ki Damage to your enemies?
I am pretty sure it does, because every weapon and stance have four of these Ki skills.
>>336268845
But then it would actually say Ki damage, like it does on every single other skill of that type, it says Ki consumption though.
>>336268778
thing is that even if you read the note, it's not all that clear
So why is Geralt a ninja now
>>336269003
>>336268778
..the note is also easily missable if you go the other path
could end up at the boss without knowing before you started backtracking for exploration
>>336269091
Because you haven't killed yourself yet so he became an assassin to finish the job
What is the best element and why is it thunder? What is the best guardian and why is it the bird?
>>336268986
That's what it means, the translation is just piss poor. A lot of the villager dialogue has horrendous translations, the menu is a bit better but still has some holes.
>>336269003
If you say so. Between the note and the amrita tutorial or whatever I realized it was just a reskinned active reload.
>>336269126
The items on the ground glow pretty distinctly. I won't say there's no chance of you missing it, but if you do then you're probably not putting much effort into exploring.
>Kill an enemy
>Now kill 2 enemies together
>Now kill 3 enemies together
>Now get ganked by like 5 fucking enemies of which 3 are wielding axes with infinite poise who never get staggered ever
This is gayer than Dark Souls 3. You can't even lure them out either because they're hidden around a corner and as soon as you step around you aggro them all.
>>336269326
I went up the lighted path myself first (with more enemies), so I ended up at the locked gate and continued from there
the ki pulse note wasn't on that path, doesn't matter if it glows if it's not there
so the tutorial item is on an optional route, I think that's a kinda poor location choice
sure I found it later when I went back to explore, but that was kinda late
>>336269326
>That's what it means, the translation is just piss poor.
But it does say KI DAMAGE on every other type of skill, why would it be different on that one specifically? And consumption and damage are 2 completely different words, especially in japanese..
>>336269305
Okami or go home, nigga always got my back when hacking fuckin nips apart.I actually need to experiment with different animals, all I ever did so far was a pure Katana playthrough
>>336269497
You can lure them out, though, even if you don´t have a bow you can still lock on to them and throw stones/kunais.
>>336268149
My first death was to gravity.
I wanted to see if the game would let me go into the deep water and die like Dark Souls or if it has a bullshit invisible wall.
I was pleased.
>>336269574
PEBKAC error
Is there any chance these areas will be in the final game?
>>336269497
That's because you're supposed to go the other way and then flank them and fight them 1 on 1. Doing them early is optional hard mode
Idk why people are so dense. "This is bullshit, i'll go the other way first" is literally the most basic shit in exploration.
>>336269497
You can lure them out using the fucking stones that they give you a million of you fucking faggot. I learned this after the 5 of them gangbanged me the first time because of the ambush. After that, I just threw stones at each of them individually. Or you can go in from the backside from the hill drop down path. You are NEVER required to fight a huge cluster of enemies and the game gives you the tools to approach things successfully.
>>336269574
it's just a description mistake, it obviously doesn't actually do that
typically that they copy/paste entry then edit them, they just missed that one -- not surprising of an alpha demo
>>336269574
I don't know man. Tell you what. Go into options, turn on display numbers. Attack once. Buy the skill. Attack again. I guarantee you're not spending more ki in the second case. From there we can assume that it's a piss poor translation.
>>336269562
I'd rather leave some children behind than force the quick ones to go at the pace of the slow ones personally. I'm sure the full game will have a slightly more forced tutorial though.
>>336269768
Of course they will be, what the fuck, you thought they designed those entire areas just for the demo? kek
>>336254273
Don't build too heavy, if you are wearing too much armor your stamina will drain super fast
>>336269792
I went through the hard path, but I ended up just luring them one by one or taking advantageous postion where I can hit them all at once -- so it ended up being my route I had mostly no issue on
made me wonder what the whole side path was for when I realized it was there
>>336268594
Is this a real game? Img search doesn't help
>>336270065
ps3 version of crescent pale mist
Just filled the survey, feel good man.
Told them to reduce the ki pulse sound effect and fix some of the walking animations, and tonot forget NG4
I'll get this day one regardless. Waiting for the full game is going to be real fucking hard
>>336270134
>full game is going to be real fucking hard
I hope so, but I kinda doubt it
it started out hard, but once got the hang of things it was just infinite Ki and stunlocking everywhere
>>336269916
Sometimes devs throw out huge amounts of content in the development process. Look at FF15 where the Platinum demo is not going to be in the final game.
>>336270132
Thanks
>>336270250
the wait will be hard lad
>>336269497
>Kill an enemy
>Now kill an enemy by taking advantage of him not looking at you and kill a different type of enemy, if you fuck up you fight them both
>Now pay attention to the lay of the land and try ambushing again when we don't hand it to you
>>336270343
oh kek, I kinda read that too fast
yeah you're right on that one
>>336252109
this game will take BB Ps4 throne
>That feel when you're just too old for these kinds of games
Don't have the patience to play through a million deaths, don't have the reaction time to make it look effortless.
Getting old sucks.
Why are the stances so hard for people to grasp? It's pretty straight forward
>>336270568
Old is a state of mind and a shitty excuse. If anything you should be more patient as you grow older.
>>336270434
You know what? I hope this happens. It would show that if youre going to rip off something popular you dont have to rip it off and make a 1 to 1 copy, you can change things and improve them, the combat in this is such an improvement of BB and Souls combat that going back to DaS3 after playing this extensively feels archaic and old.
>>336270659
>not being able to win with just attack, guard, and roll
why is this allowed?
>>336270659
It seems most people are completely blind to everything except the attack button if some of the posts are anything to go by. Am I really the only one that actually tried pressing the help thing to see what all the stats do?
>>336270434
Not even half as good as BB. Too imbalanced and easy after you get more tools at your disposal
>>336270659
I only used Mid stance for 90% of the game, low has no damage, high is too slow and drain too much stamina.
>>336270568
Some of the best fighting game players in the world are mid 30s and those require a lot more reaction speed etc than this game.
>>336270568
http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime
I'll only accept those excuses if you score over 350ms
>>336270871
The first thing I did was read the online manual.
on a random note for those that didn't know, you can combine elements for special effects
like try using fire shurikens and hitting with a lightning sword
>>336270747
>I hope this ripoff is popular, it'll show everyone that making a ripoff works
>>336256802
Where do you grind?
>>336270796
>not being able to win with just attack
why is this allowed?
>>336270890
But Soulsborne games are the definition of 2ez after you get more tools. That's why the solution to every boss is just level up.
>>336270949
>tfw average 220
I'm a disappointment to my entire family tree.
>>336271031
I think that's why I still prefer soulsborne to Nioh. Nioh requires too much thinking. Still beat Nioh desu but it was harder than all of BB combined
>>336271005
>ripoffs dont work
You can't be serious, right?
Where is a decent spot to grind at a higher level? Want to experiment with stats.
>>336271005
Rip offs happen wither you want them or not, show that rip offs dont literally need to be the game youre ripping off to go somewhere, take elements from them, dont straight up try and remake them and change the aesthetic.
Bosses were extremely easy. Regular enemies are not a challenge after you get the hang of the system.
The only legit challenge is when enemies ambush and gang up on you. The bosses were very underwhelming, and you can beat them the same way you can do it in the Souls game: stay close to them and just strafe.
Except you can just sort of run around them. Except the first boss, who can fuck you up with his spinny attack, but eh, still easy.
I'm not being that "LOL SO EASY" guy, I'm just saying that I strongly believe the "difficulty" comes from getting hit in the back by accident or silly hitboxes, or even through your guard while at full stamina, and it also comes from people not adjusting to the gameplay properly.
>>336270920
Low has quicker hits and High has higher damage that negates it being slow and the stam drain.
Not to mention you can switch stances during combos, which is something you absolutely should be doing.
>>336270273
FF15 is a fucking AAA+++ blockbuster title, Nioh is a low budget Team Ninja exclusive. You should be able to tell from the fact that they didn't mo-cap any of the movements
>>336271031
Not even close. Here, literally everything trivializes bosses. Living weapons and the slow magic in particular makes them completely useless.
>the soltution to every boss is just level up
Oh ok, you're trolling
I like the idea of playing as Ken-sama and kicking this shit out of people with my two years of katana training.
Gomenasai bitches.
>>336271259
>>336270992
>reach boat boss
>have a lightning sword
>apparently lightning slow downs enemies but didn't know that
>used a sloth talisman on top (was already doing that on other demons,)
>barely moving those steel balls at all
>was stunlocked for 3/4 of the fight
>won on 1st try
I really hope they nerf some of this stuff
This game has great combat but I was a little disappointed to find out that you can only choose one skill, i.e. combo finisher, for a weapon stance when you have multiple skills that overlap. The way the skill customization looks like, I initially thought we could customize the specific combo finisher to each attack within a weapon string. For example, pressing square twice then following up with triangle would give you the sword ki finisher, while pressing square three times and then triangle would you give you the kick finisher.
>>336271259
i agree with you man but it's just a demo and maybe we'll have harder boss later on,i just hope they'll not go the dark soul 2 way and just put multiple boss at once
>>336271602
it's probably just because it's alpha and they rushed out configurations (normally they probably set them externally for testing), doesn't make much sense to stay that way in the final game
>>336271602
you can't?
but that would completely defeat the point of it existing
So what do I do after I defeat the big guy 4 u in the village?
>>336272065
what big guy? there's like 20 if you consider yokai big
>>336271602
I don't mind it as much since you can still set different triangle moves on different stances, and it means I always know I've got access to that move during the combo, but that could be doable anyway if they did it like that. It would be pretty nice if they added it, but I'm hoping they add a ton more skills since the ones that are already there are cool.
>>336272065
You play the next level.
>>336271475
How is it trolling when it's true? How the fuck do you think so many shitty streamers beat Dark Souls? They overleveled.
>>336272297
In a building in one of the villages, a big monster spawns near a dead body.
>>336272421
But how do I get to the next level?
>>336271436
This isn't uncommon or isolated just to big budget titles. An entire area was scrapped in Demon's Souls
>>336272592
You pick up the residence key from the body and open the big gate right behind the shack?
Are you really this blind?
>>336272592
>But how do I get to the next level?
Continuefog after the boss of level 1, then on the map there's 3 places, not just the shrine and the one you were at
>>336272778
Scrapped content =/= content that was actually finished and put in a demo
Every game has scrapped content
>>336272592
Oh that big guy, you haven't finished the first level then. Open the big gate with the key you just got. Explore a little.
>>336272565
You can do the same thing in this game. At least in BB there are less options to make the fights trivial. You can't just hit orphan of kos with a talisman that slows him down or stunlock him with magic
>>336272857
Apparently yes I am.
>>336272881
Alright, thanks.
>>336273000
This. If there's one thing about this game that I have a huge problem with, it's the magic.
Sloth is seriously overpowered. It can turn a fight that you find impossible into one that's pathetically easy.
Gonna start a new game for minmaxing. What stats should I level up so I can just fuck shit up?
>>336273000
> at least in BB there are less options to make the fights trivial
If it can be parried it's already been trivialized. Kos can be parried.
>>336273210
HEART ONLY IS THE TRUE SAMURAI WAY
>>336272957
This content isn't finished either bro, which is why they're soliciting feedback on level design and such
>>336273210
Heart. Put every point into heart. Eventually you'll get Magic capacity from it, so learn Sloth. Put your samurai skills into all of the low-stance Katana abilities as well as the kick.
Congrats. You're the best.
I can't get past the first demon in the house.
I could probably if I grinded. Its dumb as fuck that every enemy respawns endlessly.
>>336273000
> level arcane
> use the flame thrower
> half the bosses in the game get infinite stunned by it
> other half can be parry cheesed
BB is so hard.
>>336273245
You're fucking stupid. Parries require proper timing. if you can parry orphan of kos, you can dodge his attacks. It's not the same thing as hitting him with an item that slows down ALL of his moves to the point that he cannot get to do anything threatening
>>336273459
get to that area from the side, there's a 2nd shrine and a shortcut
also if you really wished I think you can just nab the key and not fight
but the large demons also don't respawn (there'll be more of them, good to kill just so they never bother you again)
Did they test this alpha before releasing it?
How the fuck do they think that last boss is beatable in anyway?
>>336273530
I didn't know you could stunlock ludwig or laurence with a flamethrower. Wait, you're full of shit
>>336273459
....please be trolling, not retarded.
>>336273459
Enemies respawning is so that you can grind if you feel you need to. Did you get to the other shrine? It makes the trip much easier and you don't need to really fight anyone except one or two.
>>336273459
Kick him until his ki bar is red then go HAM on his ass.
>>336273754
DLC doesn't exist until it price drops to 9.99 or less
>>336273459
Easy as fuck when you realize what you're doing wrong
Go find the shrine in the forest
Keep going down the path that the shrine is on
House with demon is right there so you don't have to go so far to get to him
Don't get greedy with hits
Block if you can't get far enough when he charges or strikes
Watch if his fist has an aura, that means he'll grab you and prob one hit you
When his stamina is red go crazy
LEARN TO USE KI PULSE
>>336273629
> parries require proper timing
> proper timing
With windows larger than the stupidly forgiving ki pulse mechanic it's hard to say parries require proper timing.
>>336273665
You're kidding right?
I beat him on my 10 trys with only 3 heals.
He is like a Dark Souls boss at half speed.
What level were you at that boss? I was 31.
I don't know if the thread is dead or anything but I gotta ask:
Do you get any other weapons for beating the boss(es)? I got the lightning katana from Nua and my spirit was the shiba so I was assuming that you get a different one depending on those two factors (or if you just get the lightning katana and that's it)
Also, what sets are there? I've found 13 complete sets (Mariner doesn't get arms or head, Youngblood doesn't get a head)
Mariner
Pirate
Bandit
Thief
Scout
Footsoldier
Ronin
Rogue
Youngblood
Brawler
Unusual
Veteran
Warlord
>>336273814
>tfw found the shrine only after getting the key and killing that thing
I was like, "feel like I didn't explore the other side and I'm heading out into a new area.. best go check"
getting there was still fairly quick though, just ~3 quick kills on the way then the 4 in front that I lured individually
>>336274225
Raikiri no matter what you do, famalam. It tells you what you'll get for finishing the level when you enter the level from the map screen
>>336274146
I'm glad the ki pulse has a forgiving reaction window
When I'm caught up in the heat of combat I can't really get it perfect
>>336274318
I was a retard and decided I wanted to see what was in the manor before exploring the forest. I killed the 4 or 5 dudes at the gate killed the oni and got halfway through the burning village before I went back and found the other shrine.
>>336274179
I'm level 17
Should I grind?
>>336274146
If it's so easy to do you don't even need to parry then. you can just dodge the boss' attacks, since the timing is even more lenient. Not to mention Orphan doesn't get stunned by guns during almost all of his attack animations, so if you fuck up the parry during the second form you're probably dead
Totally the same thing as stunlocking a boss for 30 seconds by using living weapon or using a talisman
>>336274225
Beat him a second time and you get the Tombo-Kiri, but the first time is always Raikiri. That sounds like all the sets I've seen in there too.
>>336274318
Game rewards exploration well, with the other paths and the kodamas. Hell the first entrance to the mansion with the squad waiting there is supposed to teach exploring to find alternate pathways.
>>336274353
yeah, there's a spear on the first level which I never got
some double-barrel name beginning with C
I think that's it
Is there a compiled list of armours and weapons? I'd love to see how I did (with no farming too!)
>>336274462
You got there way too early somehow.
Grind a few cyclops till you're 25, that should be enough and get a sword that does 250+ damage.
>tfw conquerer
>>336274572
I got the tombo-kiri from a cyclops, it was infinitely better than beating Nua a second time as well, which is peculiar
>>336274462
no, you should git gud. pro tip, if you're not standing right next to him he has absolutely zero moves that can hit you while you're moving around.
>>336274572
>can get the named weapons from phantoms if they have them and RNGesus favours you
>2 raikiri's
>havent beat Nue once
I dont find demon fights interesting at all and just constantly summon phantoms to fight, why are so many people dying right beside the shrine in the second area, what the fuck
>>336274462
I don't understand how
If you clear out the second level you get enough amrita to reach level 34 easily, even if you got here underleveled
>>336274814
He has a swirl that can hit you
Beat the boat boss and barely feel the need to keep playing. Am I the only person who doesn't like this game?
>>336274712
>tfw it will be some shitty outfit that you end up not using because its too weak past the first area
>>336274736
You can always get a tombo-kiri from the roof of the house next to the big tree next to Nue's room. No need to kill Nue twice anyway
>>336273330
Do you really think they would redesign these finished areas they spent much money and resources into making? They definitely won't.
I'm pretty sure in terms of level design nothing will change, even if you suggest changes, it's far too much of a hassle to undertake.
The only changes we will see will be in mechanics, animations etc.
>>336275039
I felt the same after the boat boss, but it was because I wanted to leave it for the full game and not overplay a demo.
>>336275039
Maybe, alot of people seem to just be summoning phantoms and fighting them now, the demons arent very fun to fight, it must be said, I hope the main game doesnt just end up having more and more of them as you progress, they are nowhere near as fun to fight as humanoids.
Remember m8, this is just a demo, its ok to stop playing after the first level, theres nothing else to do.
>>336275130
Prepare to be shocked desu
>>336275061
>not doing a challenge run with that outfit only on your first playthrough
>>336275274
The game is supposed to come out this year, no way they'd redesign areas that are already finished.
And considering they're aiming for a 2016 release im 90% sure that all areas are already finished in terms of terraforming and pathways, and only textures etc. are being worked on from this point onwards
>>336275061
I wonder if this save from the demo will carry over to the full game
I'd be disappointed to lose all my stats and lightning doggo
I beat the Chimera at level 35
Was I overlevelled?
It finally clicked for me tonight. After two evenings of trying I got the combat down and leveled up enough to do some real damage.
Finally got to the house and defeated the demon. Now in the town where I defeated two more and then got my asked kicked by another.
Combat is really great when you realize you need to end combos with a Ki pulse. En be very wary of your moves and stamina.
Can't wait to play more. Shame I only got into it yesterday evening. Now have to rush to finish it by a few more evenings, since 9-5 job.
Really gonna buy the full game!
>>336264219
He beat it in about two minutes
>>336275530
Not too terribly. It's recommended you start the second stage at 25.
>>336275530
People Ive seen beat the level were about 30-35. Your gear probably plays a bigger role than stats.
Also, really like to fact that the big yokai stylau dead, to further the sense if progression. And I also really likenthr stance system and combos flowing out of the complexity
So, this coming to PC right? It looks interesting, the setting seems cool but no way I'm getting a shitty overpriced console for one game
>>336264045
like bloodborne. yeah ok. (also i like nioh alpha)
>>336275718
The gear that enemies drop is based on your current levelis it not? Im picking up different level items of the same thing constantly
>>336275530
i was 32 desu
in terms of levels i'm pretty sure that the higher you go the less difference it makes, the real difference comes from gear, you could have had a 200 attack rating katana, or a 300 attack rating katana if you got lucky, which would've made everything way easier.
I say that because i randomly got a level 39 weapon on one of my characters
>>336256382
You can also party bare-handed but the window is insanely tight, but when you do you turn your opponents sword against them doing a fuckton of damage
might work against axes/spears too but haven't I succeeded
>>336275802
in 3 years maybe
Found them all!
Where do you go after beating boat boss?
>>336264045
This game is just square/triangle spam instead of r1 spam
>>336275738
What
>>336275975
nice
hope they'll be at really uncanny locations in full game
>>336276017
The next level?
what platform should i get it on, pc or playstation 4?
>>336275975
Super kawaii
Still fucked up how dark the atmosphere is and yet there's still cute little guys everywhere
>>336252109
Well its been real fags and I can't wait to see you in the Nioh threads when the game releases but I'm done with playing this demo as I'm like level 45. Yall are some true conquerors and YOOOOOOOOOOO tier gaijin.
>>336275802
Maybe in five, soon if you can go back in time to prevent something.
>>336252879
I got an axe that has B+ str scaling
>>336276214
on the map there wasn't anything new.
>>336276413
There should be 3 things, a shrine that's just the level up meny, and 2 other areas, one that you completed and another.
>>336276413
What? After beating the boat oni, it takes you to a full map with a location marked with an exclamation mark.
>>336275975
>accidentally hit one of them
>they react to it
>get worried they'll hate me forever, and maybe even fight back
but looks like they forgave me
When does the demo end, guys? Downloading it now but I feel like I was late to the party.
IS THERE ANYWAY I CAN GET MORE STONES TO REPAIR MY STUFF
>>336276794
The fifth. You got three days including today.
>>336264219
He beat his Nue alright.
>>336276920
Fuck yeah, thanks anon.
>>336276794
It ends on the 5th, so you've still got time.
>>336276857
Make offerings of your shittier equipment at the shrine. If you're early on you can switch out as needed since you don't have anything special yet.
>>336276857
just keep breaking katanas and throwing them away, shitty nips steel won't hold up
>>336275438
The demo was made awhile ago for game journos. It isn't new. It was just released to us plebs now.
>>336275975
I hope you can customize the shrine with water slides and strip clubs for the little guys.
>>336275438
This ain't coming out this year, let's be real.
>>336277150
>Turning your kodamas into degenerates
>>336277029
actually like the idea of using my better weapons only when it matters, and scrapping things I picked up for grunts
hope repairs won't become easy in full gme
>>336277406
They need to make the inventory bottomless if they're going to do shit like that. Having to store like 5 extra helms of each weight class in case others break is no fun desu
Where is the best place to grind in the second area?
>>336277567
>helms
git gud, your armor won't break
weapons breakage is the only issue here
>>336273754
You're right, you can stunlock ludwig with a whirlgig.
>>336277406
Theres a shop in the main game, one would assume they sell repairs.
The item system would work better if it was like Dark Cloud's
>use weapon enough and it levels up, eventually you can evolve it into a different stronger weapon with different stats
>different weapon types can evolve into different branching paths of weapons
>when a weapon reaches a certain level you can put it into an orb, this orb can be put onto another weapon and give that weapon the stats of the weapon in the orb, can equip 3 orbs on a weapon
>eventually this will allow the player to have a very strong tailor made weapon
Id like it at least, no point in having all those drops when you are just going to keep trashing them
>>336277618
Near Nues gate. That place has tons of Oni and Cyclops.
>>336277618
The captain in the first area that is walking back and forth with a torch. Kill him a bunch until you have passable equipment.
>>336278021
Familiarity is a stat each weapon has that gives you better odds of getting something when it's disassembled. That and there being a blacksmith makes it seem like there'll be a bit of weapon combining and customization available in the real game.
>>336278335
I really hope they'll make enemies much harder given all this stuff
even demos has a lot of things to exploit as-is
Dude
If you're gonna make your enemy be able to change directions during attacks
At least give the dodge I-frames
This shit just isn't fair.
>>336256802
What is the 10 magic for?
>>336278335
Oh dang. What if we get vagrant story weapon crafting. I mean obviously not, but what if.
>>336278570
Seems to me dodges do have iframes. A lot of the time I was rolling and the enemy's sword was inside me and I didn't take damage
>want to sell as many copies of your game as dark souls did
>make dark souls (except set in japan)
>only thing that's more difficult is that you always die in 1-2 hits
BRAVO
>>336278498
The first demo level gives me the impression that it's the real first level of the game. I'm expecting the game to get much harder later on but yeah some stuff needs to be toned down a bit since it seems really strong even without much stat investment. Looking at you, kekkai/sloth talismans.
>>336278570
The dodge does have i-frames, more if you dodge out of one of your attacks. If you're getting hit, block the followup attack instead, dodging doesn't work.
>Start game
>No fucking weapons anywhere from what I can see
>"Oh ok, maybe I get something soon"
>Touch red swords and get slaughtered
>"What the fuck? They're taking this SOULS IS HARD XD a bit to far"
>Notice these have player names
>"Oh alright, I don't actually have to interact with these, lets get going"
>NPC enemies have weapons while I still have fucking nothing
These dudes are one and two shotting me. Do I really have to fist fight them?
>>336278570
There is actually I-frames, you cant just spam rolls through attacks though, you can only do it after attacking, ts that flash of light that happens when you dodge after attacking.
>>336278710
only at first because no gears, I was taking so many hits and taking so little damage by the end that it started to feel boring
>>336278570
I believe it's affected by stance and weapon. It might also be affected by weight. Finally do a ki dodge has more iframes.
>>336278840
>I'm expecting the game to get much harder later on
Oh lawd there's gonna be some butthurt if that is true
>>336278597
>vagrant story weapon crafting
That game's crafting system was glorious but who knows what they've got in store for this game. It's a shame I've never seen crafting like that ever done again, it was so cool.
>>336278859
are you retarded? there is a weapon right infront of you when you spawn.
>>336278859
>first cutscene literally hints you to the dead body
>doesnt check it out
lel
>took first couple days to beat first level
>finally did, felt like I got gud
>been playing the second one now
>made it to second shrine, still had to run and skip shit to get there
The second level really kicks my shit in. So many enemies everywhere, and even with healing, there are so many more. Especially the multiple huge Onis. Fuck. Even the giant statues at the second shrine give me tons of trouble. Any tips? Really felt like I got it after the first level, but I feel awful all over again here.
Daily reminder you can change weapons mid combo.
>>336278859
Are you literally blind? There's a glowing orange thing right in front of you when you start the game, didn't you wonder what that could be?
>>336278891
>ki dodge
What the fuck is that?
>>336278859
no, just become a game journalist and report your terrible experience -- you'll fit right in with that job
What's money used for? just blessings right now?
>>336278570
Dodges have iframes.
It gets more with less carry weight.
More with low stance.
>>336279225
right now, seems like it yes
but as other anons mentioned there will be shop/crafting and whatnot, surely that's where the gold comes in
>>336277320
you're probably right
>>336278947
I mean, they've given us a bunch of really powerful tools already, I'm just hoping it comes to the point where we're forced to use them to survive.
>>336279198
So after a combo you can either ki burst (r1) to recover that ki or you can dodge which will make it unrecoverable but give you more iframes. You can tell this happens because you leave a blue afterimage behind you.
Additionally while in low stance dodging will act a ki burst so you can ki dodge and ki burst at the same time.
>>336279160
>Giant statues
Kick them.
>Multiple onis
Fight one at a time
>Cyclops
Shoot it in the eye
>Little Cyclops
Run up and hit it with a katana in mid stance, that drains all their stamina
>>336279198
Like Ki Pulsing but dodge instead, you leave a trail behind.
>>336278710
From didn't even bother changing the game setting when they were making their Ninja's Blade, why people are throwing a fit over Nioh being similar/borrowing elements from Souls?
>>336279170
Oh neat it also acts as a ki pulse. Kinda? Or are you hitting stance while you change?
Only thing that bugs me so far is none of the weapons have stopping power. Even a 300+ attack hammer doesn't stun enemies. I was playing around with it in the second level and human enemies were able to cancel my spin attack even though they were being smashed in the face.
The hitboxes in this game are ass.
Dark souls 2 tier.
>>336279198
This game uses ki for everything.
>>336279620
Same thing as changing stances mid combo but you press circle to unequip your weapon and then press left. It has to be a perfect ki pulse or it wont change.
>enemies can follow you into the 2nd boss's arena
They better fix this shit.
>>336279648
That's why souls characters are so much weaker. Filthy gaijins only have stamina what superior nippon or half nippon have glorious ki which acts as super stamina.
>>336279818
It's a feature. It's poetic. The enemies that follow you in the arena are like the rain drops that follow lightning.
The writing in this game is fantastic and that shows it. Dark Souls is trash in comparison.
>>336279818
Yeah, in addition to that, not sure if I'm a filthy casual or not, but I feel like they follow you way to far. Is it literally even possible to lose them in a level? I feel like they'll chase you down forever.
after 2 hours of fighting the first boss finally beat it.
>>336279818
Just open the shortcut and kill the zombie near the shrine before going to the boss room.
By the time you're done with the zombie guy the patroling oni should already be away.
>>336278859
nobody could be this conquered
>>336279590
Ninja's Blade was a shitty game. the better question is why is it only acceptable when team ninja does it
>>336279814
Damn that's nifty, and probably a bit challenging to pull off.
>>336279928
I took it as a metaphor for ignoring problems and having them follow you forward it life. It truly touched my heart to see such profound writing in an alpha of all things.
>>336280184
>it's shit so it doesn't count
>>336280074
The zombie shouldn't follow you in though, since the Oni doesn't.
It's literally a fuck up on their part of forgetting to put the boss arena as a "do not patrol / follow" zone for the zombie.
NERF SHARK
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>>336280289
The oni can follow you in though. Why should you get a free pass when you can't even avoid the enemies?
>>336279160
>second level
>2 shrines
What?
There's only one there
>>336280274
You can't read
>>336252109
>a few months ago no one gave a fuck about nioh
>demo comes out
>/v/ won't shut the fuck up about it
Tell me again how demos will lower sales.
>>336280364
Either that or buff every other GS. No one else has an effect as useful as radar.
>>336280364
Daiba go to sleep. People will realize your worth when they feel like they gotta grind
>>336280506
because it's EA that said that, and they don't make good games
if you let people try their games, it'll lower sales they worked hard to gather through advertisment that shown no gameplay
>>336280538
Shark gets bar for damaging anything without ki. That's why it can perma-stun yokai and bosses.
>>336280364
>tfw havent used spirit animal once and finished both levels
Whats the difference between them all? What do they do? I see a bunch of numbers but I dont know what any of it means and what is actually usefull to me so I never even bothered using them.
>>336280538
But anon, it makes sense that a shark would have a radar. Turn Daiba into a bat if you want another one.
Does starting a new game overwrite your save?
>>336280538
I think every GS needs to be nerfed. Living weapon is too strong anyway
Fucking zombies are the worst.
>can go low and evade attacks
>can lunge and take a chunk of life
>can lunge and spit poison in your face
>can lay down and be camo'd
>>336280695
That's not shark exclusive. Shark just has the longest lasting Living Weapon which takes the least damage when hit.
>>336280705
Shark lasts a lot of time, and when combined with a boss that is stunned, is basically an instant victory.
>>336280705
>hasn't used a spirit once
If you have one equipped you're using it. They're talking about living weapon which can be qualified as super mode in this game. They each have a few passives that you can utilize depending on your spirit stat.
>>336280364
Not using glorious dog to level up
>>336280740
nope
>>336280713
Why wouldn't an eagle guardian have a birds eye view of the map?
>>336280740
Nope, multiple saves.
>>336280771
Then say living weapon needs to be retooled. A GS is more than just the weapon.
>>336280924
How the fuck?
>>336280924
Wha
How much grinding would that take
>>336280970
>eagle
It's a hawk and it's specified to be a horse killer. It probably has more to do with the lore they're basing it off of, if you read their description.
so what in nioh made DSP so horny that he had to jerk it? I dont remember seeing any tiddies.
>>336280193
Some people are already doing style type of videos and using it. Is fun to watch.
https://youtu.be/HPmUPfN33a8?t=535
>>336280996
not him but there's a glitch to farm millions since it increase exponentially (although after 10m it supposedly go back down since demo can't handle it)
>>336280924
Is that what glorious nippon steel can finally do?
>>336281098
A lot.
>>336280924
>317
Fucking christ, can you one shot enemies, tank hits and spam attacks indefinately at that level or what?
>>336280705
Kato does the most damage, Isonade lasts the longest, Daiba-Washi recharges the quickest and Raiken is balanced.
Also while I'm at it, Kato's passives are offensive, strengthening damage and ki. Isonade focuses on defence and survivability. Daiba-Washi increases your drop rates and makes dodging cost less, while Raiken increases Amrita gained and gives lightning resistance as well as letting you dash for longer.
All this shit is on the Guardian Spirit menu and you can press a button to make it tell you what each stat does. It says right at the bottom of the screen press Options for help. This works on every single menu. Why does everyone always ask these kinds of questions?
>>336261835
Dodging in low stance acts the same as pressing r1.
>>336281135
he was jerking it to the thought of being better than /v/ at the game
>>336280924
Lightning shibe has a use?
>>336280816
Change your stance. Don't swing at something you know has armour, or at least be aware that it might start an attack.
how do you change stances mid combo?
>he doesn't use harikari sword after failing to protect his host
Great shame and dishonor to any who do not commit seppuku.
>>336281646
After a combo press R1 and the stance you want.
>>336281885
best sword
>>336280924
You should go deliberately die in the start of the first level so you leave a level 317 bloodstain.
when does the demo become unavailable?
>>336281885
But the host isn't my lord.
>>336281646
Ri+whichever stance button. Time it so that you do it while he's going through an animation.
>onryoki is a demon born from the wrath of dead slave cargo
>all the demons appeared because wherever the bandits murder and pillage they must also rape
This is pretty neat. I wonder which other kinds of superior nippon demon we'll encounter.
>tfw you finally understand the game and start to really enjoy it
I went from getting mad and dying constantly to the first dozen enemies, to clearing the whole first area, opening the ladder shortcut and finding the second shrine and 2 kodamas in one life. The Oni or whatever in the small shack wrecked me though.
>>336280996
>>336281098
>>336281267
>>336281361
>>336282023
I got the image from:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/181161-nioh/73676523
Someone mentioned that gamefaqs had found an amarita glitch so I wanted to see what it was. Basically let the midget youkai hit you twice with their tongue attack to steal your amarita and then kill them after they transform while having a lot of + % amarita bonuses to get a shit ton of it back.
My character is lv 40 since I don't have patience for that shit.
>>336282026
Mayo 5 familia.
>>336282072
The TGS trailer showed a few. I know a few anons are hoping for the tinnitus yokai to be in game.
>>336282174
Fuck I hope this will be fixed somehow
>>336282596
unless they literally don't care, I don't see why it wouldn't
whole thing is pretty well known by now and I'm sure many complained about it
>cant equip sudoku sword in a shortcut
;-;
God damn fuck this
It's over
Beat the bastard at level 18
>>336282026
Cinco de mayo
>>336283245
>not 25
How many graves did you lose?
>>336282182
>>336282228
>>336283393
what time on the 5th? right at midnight?
>>336283650
who knows -- they never give exact times for stuff like this, could be midnight, or some random time during the 5h, or maybe they'll forget, or even do it ahead of time due to timezones and it'll be may 4
if you care I'd suggest at least getting that mark of conqueror before may 4
>not dual wielding sword set
>yet
Meh, I'm hyped but not that hyped. It's also refreshing to see an actual demo for a game instead of just teasers and a blind buy
I wonder how big the final game will be, fair amount of content for those two levels, was at level 35 by the time I beat Nue as well.
Does magic change how slow sloth makes enemies?
>>336283546
A lot man
>>336283932
I had no interest in this till I played the demo, after playing it Im hyped as fuck, more games need fucking demos for christ sake.
>>336281163
They really need to change or remove the pulse sound effect at least and even the visual effect with something more subtle
>>336284731
>more games need fucking demos for christ sake.
That only work for good games though.
The current industry mostly count on Day1 sales for a reason man
I thought I was gittin gud but fuck that ogre ninja in the residential area, how do I deal with him? Also how close am I to the dlc?
Is magic worth putting points into? Why? It's not like anyone is equipping anything other than Sloth and you can use Sloth with the base stat.
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