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3 is better IMO
>>336239302
You're allowed to be wrong, it's fine.
>>336239302
Opinions are not arguments
>>336239302
You're a retarded faggot IMO
new vegas is a rehash made 2 years later. it's odd how the perception of fable 3 was the complete opposite. a rehash made 2 years later but was shat on even though it's the same game with less jank.
just goes to show you how you should be wary of internet memethink bandwagoning and form your own opinions.
3 had much better graphics.
>>336239302
Why don't you argument your "opinions"?
Your O is wrong
>>336239302
3 is an actual Bethesda game, it's pretty good
How do you feel about Fallout 4? I think it's leagues better than the previous titles.
(X) You're wrong
(Y) You're an idiot
(A) Please leave
(B) *Glass OP*
>>336240090
i just thought that the exploration was better in 3
>>336240405
It's easily the best game this gen. I'm going to get the Season Pass and the GOTY Edition and the PS4.5 Remaster!
>>336239302
THIS TIMES A MILLION
It shocks me how much delusion there is on /v/, that there are people here who like that garbage shit game that is new vegas.
Just look at the brotherhood of steel, They are so puny in this game and who the fuck is the ncr and legion? I'm supposed to believe that 2 big armies just suddenly appeared 2 years after the events of Fallout 3 and are now fighting over a dam that somehow still works.
And whats with the enclave in new vegas? Their power armor looks dumb as fuck compared to the one in Fallout 3 and why are there m16s and barret 50 cals? fallout is 200 years after a 1950s nuclear war, not call of duty black ops.
>>336240501
New Vegas' overworld is riddled with invisible walls where it makes no sense to have them. Obsidian can't design true open worlds evidently and have to rely on PS2-era design.
>>336239302
ye. Bethesda never should've trusted their original ip to a no name dev like obsidian
>>336240675
The sad part is that I honestly can't tell if people are shitposting or if they genuinely believe that.
Fallout 3 actually feels like a post apocalypse game, its just more comfy.
>>336240552
You just know that there's a brainless shitter out there who actually thinks like this and it's making my blood boil
Reminder that when Obsidian has to make games on their own (instead of piggy backing off someone else's work) they either make garbage like Alpha Protocol or a mediocre 20 year-belated CRPG. Not even CDPR is this bad.
>>336241105
Neogaf also hates Bethesda.
>>336241105
the reality is that no one likes bethesda games outside of normies who never played any other rpgs
>>336240675
>This is the reason we don't get good games anymore
Why do we even keep hope?
>>336241005
while both games are shit beside few side quest, exploration in 3 felt way better
ether way, the managed to make the games look way to fucking ugly, like ps1 games look better in comparison
>>336241725
ummm who cares lol? they all probably suck compared to skyrim and fallout 4 any way lol and btw how many awards did "other rpgs" get compared to skyrim? i bet all of them combined cant reach the amount of medals skyrim so take that haha lol
>>336241061
>garbage like Alpha Protocol
PLEB
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>>336242347
Are there mods that fix a lot of the issues?
>there are people who enjoyed Dead Money
>>336243069
i doubt there are any total conversion mods for it.
>>336239302
It must be nice being retarded, you just don't care about anything.
>>336239302
Iagree
>>336239302
I have just started FONW, I like the setting and the dialogue, but the battle system seems pretty clunky.
>>336243069
Some ini-tweaks for the running/walking/turning speed helps quite a bit. Wish there were some unofficial patches but even with the bugs the game is wonderful.
you're dumb
>>336239302
Fuck off Todd.
>>336239302
I agree, and NV is shit IMO
>there are people who unironically think Fallout 3 and 4 are the best the series has to offer
>>336243523
that stuff on hardcore is the best experience ive ever had in any fallout game ever
>>336243523
>>there are people who enjoyed Old World Blues
>>336240405
Rant time.
>playing Fallout 4 on PS4
>installed Automatron a week back at level 25ish
>got the robot lady, got the robot building device, didn't feel like progressing the plot
>after all, building robots was the fun part
>Codsworth the Juggernaut
>last night, level 72
>time to get Automatron achievement
>first quest is bugged
>"don't use the robot builder until you complete this quest, if you do, revert to an earlier save before you did"
>50 levels and dozens of hours ago
>workaround online recommends uninstall whole game (PS4 can't just uninstall Automatron), reload save, it'll wipe Automatron stuff off of save file, save clean game, reinstall Automatron and go from there
>makes sense
>game takes 40 minutes to download and install
>everything works like a charm
>all Automatron stuff deleted and reset perfectly
>except Codsworth
>had Automatron upgrades, the game wiped him out entirely and since the base companion isn't DLC, didn't get reinstalled with Automatron
It's been a never ending nightmare of Bethesda glitchy fuckery and I'm about ready to vomit concentrated rage and hate.
Overall I rate 8.5/10.
What is the appeal of the fallout reboot series anyways?
>>336240672
Oh yes, Bethesda´s walls, invisible or otherwise, made soooo much more sense.
>>336240675
Oh, I assure you, they are dead serious.
You don´t shitpost like this under a name in a forum where you need to register.
What if Fallout was made by Japanese people?
new vegas = reddit
3 = 4chan
>>336247750
oblivion with guns.
Essentially.
Everything they taut they "conservated" from the originals is nothing people who liked 3 gave a fuck about, obvious really, because there is nothing there, except "War. War never changes." and some recognizable names and items.
>>336248234
>Implying Japs can make anything not vapid weeb paedophile fanservice bullshit or le ebic souls
>>336239302
2 is better IMO
>>336247750
Fallout universe is interesting on its own, all Bethesda had to do was to replace interesting gameplay with shootan and lootan
>>336243069
I played the steam version a few months back and ran into not a single bug
>>336239302
Yeah well your opinion is garbage, and so are you.
>>336240405
It's ok. I liked Nick and Curie a lot though.
>>336248234
You'd have more than one follower so you can have a harem
>>336248273
It's litterally the opposite, although I would argue that Reddit these days might be 4 instead.
>>336247668
>buying DLC
>for a Bethseda game
>on a console
>>336240552
Now this is bait
3 was good for exploring, New Vegas was good for story.
NV is a pile of shit. I couldn't stand that game beyond the first 5 minutes.
>>336250682
>didn't even go out of the character creation house
>thinks his opinion matters
>>336250682
> I couldn't stand that game beyond the first 5 minutes.
>>336239302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0
Haven't seen this posted here in a long time
>>336250174
Fuck off, Fallout 3's exploration was shit. New Vegas wasn't great either but it was slight better than 3. The vaults in New Vegas alone beat the shit out of any location in 3.
>>336250682
I really hope the average NV hater isn't as stupid as you. Inb4 it's actually even worse.
>>336251034
That's kinda where the story aspect came in. The New Vegas vaults were much better, but landscape wise, New Vegas was all desert.
All-American is best raifuru.
>>336250682
Fallout 3's first part was shit. Like 20 minutes of looking at hideous Bethesda animations and scripted bullshit and cheesy dialogue and DUDE LIAM NEESON LMAO just let me play the game without this garbage attempt at "cinematic" feeling.
New Vegas and Morrowind have such good intros because it doesn't bullshit you and it lets you play the game.
>>336247668
>bought Bethesda DLC off his console
>>336250858
But what do they eat?
>>336251580
>want to replay F3
>start downloading
>50%
>remember that intro
>stop downloading
>>336248315
I wouldn't say that.
They're different games, but there are elements that 3 shares in common with the older games such as the lack of artificial barriers when exploring and the freedom when not on the main quest.
The main quest in Fallout 3 is garbage, but the side quests and everything else is on par with the older games.
>>336252043
>the side quests
yeah, all four of them
>>336252224
The 20 something side quests that are there are far more replayable than most of NV's side quests, since they have multiple branches.
>>336252958
you don't want to go there
>>336252958
anon...
don't get me wrong I like fo3 but nv quests have way more branching.
Queue the chart
>>336251580
>>336251762
You can literally get through it in 5 minutes if you skip dialogue.
>>336252958
>20 something
17*
>>336239302
>460 replies and 100 images
At least we can all agree on one thing: 4 is much worst than both of them.
>>336253232
Beyond the Beef is an exception to the rule.
Most of the quests in NV like Debt Collector and G.I Blues are completely linear.
Compare that to You Shoot Em In The Head or any other side quest from Fallout 3.
>>336254031
>G.I Blues
>completely linear
Oh. I get it. It's bait.
>>336254031
But most side quests in 3 are linear.
In nv the quests would be changed depending on which faction you were coming like the lucky old sun
Literally the same game.
Not like how Oblivion is hot garbage compared to Morrowind.
I can't wait to get NV for PC. My only experience is on PS3 and I'm sick of having to restart the game every 20 mins.
>>336254974
Have fun anon, NV is a great experience on PC especially with mods.
>>336255331
Yeah, I can't wait to go on Nexus for the first time and just have a blast.
Summer can't come quick enough.
>>336251580
>>336251762
I suppose you would think that if you only played it last year
>>336254671
There's a difference between sidequests in NV and sidequests in 3. That difference is that side quests in 3 are non-linear but self-contained, whereas sidequests in NV have an impact on the world but are linear.
The quests in NV don't matter as much as the effects that they have, which is why there are so many to choose from and why so many are complete shit.
The sidequests in 3 however, focus largely on getting the most value out of every scenario and this means that the quests in question are more fun and replayable.
You only need to see a flow chart of the average FO3 sidequests to see how much more replayable and refined each of the quests are.
>>336251580
Emerging from the vault into the wasteland was pretty sick back when it came out
>>336255715
That's sort of become a staple with Bethesda's Elder Scrolls/Fallout games.
Emerging from a vantage point and having your eyes adjust to a sweeping landscape.
>>336255863
It's a good way of introducing the player to the world.
They seriously fucked it up in Fallout 4 though, probably due to the protagonist's panting shattering the atmosphere.
>>336254974
I bought the Ultimate Edition yesterday for £5.49 on gamesplanet.
>>336255331
>especially with mods.
Are there recommended mods for the first playthrough, or vanilla is best first experience?
>>336255558
huh? I played it a month or two after playing NV on release, I'm pretty sure I didn't finish it though
3 > NV >>>>>>> 4
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
>>336248660
>all Bethesda had to do was to replace interesting gameplay with shootan and lootan
you mean replace a boring, overly-complicated snorefest with fun?
>>336240552
You're just a neet with infinite time and retarded opinions about video games that no healthy, normal human cares about.
Vegas is a more enjoyable game.
>>336256307
3 = NV > Nothing > 4
>>336239302
Objectively wrong.
>>336256278
Don't you think its hypocritical to call F3's animations terrible when NV is using the exact same engine?
Not to mention the intro is only roughly 10 minutes and can be done faster if you skip the dialogue.
Either way NV's intro lasts a few hours into the game. You're basically on a linear path until you reach Novac due to enemy placement and skill checks
>>336256246
Texture pack: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/43135/?
Fallout 4 quickloot system, really convenient: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/61666/?
Huge bugfix patch: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/51664/?
Removes the orange tint from everything, makes nights dark: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/34888/?
You also need: NVSE, NVAC and 4GBFNV
That's about it. I wouldn't do any gameplay altering mods on a first playthrough, save those for a second one.
>>336256896
>Either way NV's intro lasts a few hours into the game.
wat
>>336256994
Man, I love you.
>>336256896
I don't give a shit about animations, I hate the stretched out, pointless intro
Daily Reminder The Pitt should have been the setting of Fallout 3
>Some continued elements from the original games like the Brotherhood, but not butchered lore wise
>No ghouls, Enclave or Super Mutants
>Factions that are morally grey rather than black and white
>Different and interesting setting.
>People are actually building shit rather than living in corrugated iron huts
>Post, post apocalyptic like Fallout was supposed to be, rather than looking like the bombs hit two weeks ago
Shame the DLC itself was so rushed.
>>336256994
Seriously, quickloot is a revolutionary idea
>>336257073
Not him, but everything up until you reach Freeside is a tutorial and any attempt to deviate from the intended path is meet by pure anal rape from legions of Deathclaws.
At least in 3 you could rush through the tutorial in 5 to 10 minutes and make a save for future builds once you're done.
>>336257559
>but not butchered lore wise
post invalidated
>>336257228
Np. Couple I forgot:
Flora overhaul, breathes new life to the wasteland: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/39856/?
Excellent textures for most guns: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/38285/?
>>336255592
>side quests in 3 are non-linear but self-contained
most quests in 3 only have 1 ending where alot of nv have multiple ways to end
and 3's quests have no impact on the world while alot of nv's impact dialogue from main characters.
>The quests in NV don't matter as much as the effects that they have
Most of them do matter though and there are multiple ways to complete them. Nothing tops the feeling of having an effect on other areas of the game from side quests you did earlier. I like fo3 but the side quests dont offer that.
>The sidequests in 3 however, focus largely on getting the most value out of every scenario and this means that the quests in question are more fun and replayable.
I do agree somewhat. Its nice when the quest is secluded and doesnt depend on other factions and previous story requirements. This allows quests the wasteland survival guide from fo3 and crazy crazy crazy from nv which were both very fun for me.
>>336257716
Would you care to elaborate?
>>336257653
The tutorial is an optional Sunny Smiles quest. It's super easy to use the terrain to avoid the deathclaws.
I don't like being made to stay inside a vault for the beginning of the game.
>>336257570
Indeed, couldn't play without it anymore. Kind of surprising that nobody thought of it before the launch of Fallout 4 but oh well.
>>336256994
>Fallout 4 quickloot system, really convenient: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/61666/?
OH GOD MY DICK
I HATE LOOTING SO MUCH
>>336257653
>everything up until you reach Freeside is a tutorial
whoa anon thats just not true
>>336257653
>everything up until you reach Freeside is a tutorial and any attempt to deviate from the intended path is meet by pure anal rape from legions of Deathclaws
git fucking gud holy shit
New Vegas is objectively better. The reason I'm using that word is because I'm not a console babby and can mod the entirety of Fallout 3 into New Vegas anyway. Making Fallout 3 just half of the game I could be playing if I played New Vegas instead.
>>336257872
>>336257892
>>336257570
Does a version exist so it doesn't look like Fallout 4's overly green and cartoony style? I kinda want to use it, but only if it doesn't look/remind me of 4.
>>336258023
I reckon the colour changes to suit your HUD colour choice
>>336257950
>he plays TTW
What agood choice
>>336239302
I figure this is bait, but I actually agree with you. They're both good in their own right but the exploration and atmosphere and just general feeling of "woooooow this is so fucking cool!" You feel when you first play FO3 can't be replicated. Plus just the fact that Vegas was nearly untouched from the bombings didn't really sit well with me.
>>336258268
>They're both good in their own right but the exploration and atmosphere and just general feeling of "woooooow this is so fucking cool!"
Did you play Fallout 1/2 at all? My honest first impression of 3 was "why is everything a mess and where is everyone?"
Also the fact that you un-ironically used "atmosphere" in a pro-Fallout 3 argument is like poetry.
>>336257787
As explained in-game if you ever decide to play Fo3, the branch of the brotherhood featured in Fo3 has changed how they do things in order to keep the world from exploding in their faces, the old ways haven't worked for a very long time and so they've gone the friendlier route where they're guaranteed more allies than enemies.
Fo3 does not "recton" what the brotherhood used to be like, as there are brotherhood "outcasts" in Fo3 who behave the way the brotherhood does in 1&2
>>336258502
>did you even play Fallout 1/2?
No I did not, they're on the backlog though. Again, I'm not taking away anything from New Vegas or the other games in the series, I still really like it but I enjoyed 3 more.
>>336257761
Great, thanks a lot man.
>>336257850
>>336257915
>>336257943
Have you ever successfully strayed off the path before Novac?
I love NV don't get me wrong but its the same shit everytime.
Goodspring>Primm>Outpost>Nipton>Novac
After that you get more freedom since you've leveled enough to pass speech checks and have more killing power.
If you are seriously implying that you run through deathclaw/radscorpion/cazadore land with a varmint rifle good luck doing anything good afterwards since you'll be fucking underleveled when you get to NV.
F3 you can go anywhere after the Vault, no skill checks or set enemies. Pure bliss
Fallout 4 has better shooting mechanics than New Vegas, but that's it.
>Fallout 3
>better than anything
Ayy of the house of lmao.
>>336258502
>"why is everything a mess and where is everyone?"
The East Coast is the Fallout universe equvalent of Central Africa: Everyone's too busy participating in dick measuring contests to actually fix everything.
This retardation is probably due to the radiation effecting brain development since the east was hit harder by the bombs than the west.
>>336259068
If you go straight north to Goodsprings you'll be at Freeside, another low level area with a lot of quests
>>336259068
>F3 you can go anywhere after the Vault, no skill checks or set enemies. Pure bliss
Is complete level scaling and lack of skill choices a price worth paying for that?
Also, you sneak past the claws using two guaranteed Stealth Boys you can get in Goodsprings.
>>336258502
>"why is everything a mess and where is everyone?"
Because the east is uncivilized garbage lathered in feces so thick that you'd need a nuke to break through.
The west has cooperation, the west has people working together in mass quantities for different organizations.
The east only has the eastern branch of the Brotherhood of Steel
>>336257943
I never get why people say that.
I literally just went north on my first playtrough and made it to vegas on my first attempt.
Being chased by 5 deathclaws was fun.
>>336259189
North past the cazadore buttfuck land? Not trying to be a contrarian but Freeside quests are pretty terrible too, outside of the staples which require checks.
lol why dont you faggots just play Tale of Two Wastelands?
>>336259068
>F3 you can go anywhere after the Vault, no skill checks or set enemies
yeah, right to the end of the game
>>336258612
I'm glad you've opened this can of worms because I love it when people bring up the whole "Outcasts" bit.
Bethesda clearly forgot half way through development that the Brotherhood are not good guys. The Outcasts are last minute editions, tacked on to justify why the East Coast variants are "different". This is why the Outcasts serve zero purpose to F3 until the first DLC, which even then you don't even need the Outcasts to be there as they simply act as a gateway to the anchorage simulation.
That and in Fallout 4, Bethesda realised they fucked up, killed off most of the East Coast brotherhood, had that kid become the new leader, and then make them basically the same as the Outcasts, even though the East Coast brotherhood "won" the little war they were having.
If the East Coast brotherhood are so morally reprehensible, why then did they destroy The Pitt? This is never addressed when really it should be. The new brotherhood talk about "muh protecting project purity for the good of the people even though water purifiers are really common", why then did they decide to purge an entire city for no reason other than "they were raiders"? They didn't even take any tech with them. They just walked in, shot some people, then left. Didn't even finish the job either, because you have Ashur (who they left behind) turn up and say "raiders you work for me now"
>>336259232
As I said, you'll be horribly leveled, they clearly don't intend you to go off the main path.
The enemies do scale with your level though rather than being area specific difficulty wise
New vegas is literally built on top of everything that is fallout 3
You can't say you loved New vegas and HATED fallout 3, they're literally the same game, only one was made by a studio that pretentious assholes will blow because BETHESDA RUINED MUH FALLOUT
I liked them both, but New vegas is just a complete rehash of 3
There's barelly anything new in it in terms of gameplay, and what is, is fucked
Crafting is pointless, campfires are pointless etc
I only liked the disguise system
Story wise, it's just as generic as 3
Ceasers legion is one of the most retarded "bad guys" I've ever seen in a fucking video game
The writting is shit, just like in 3
But yea, same game, different splash of color with some neat added features
And THIS>>336259068
Is so fucking annoying
The game pushes you so hard to go to novac it's insane
Why does it do that?
What were the fucking devs thinking
>>336259257
>The west has cooperation, the west has people working together
why do eastern people lack that quality, the quality that was a basis for every single civilization in existence? is that something in the water? is that why purifying the water is so important?
>>336259068
Yeah, except all of the places in DC are filled with retarded and badly written things, not to mention ten thousand super mutant/bandit outposts placed with no real coherence.
New Vegas is at least more or less believable in landmark placement. Not to mention that doing things more along a certain line makes it so they could incorporate certain elements into the story better. Chasing Benny for instance.
>>336259542
>The enemies do scale with your level though
Critical path and DLCs ones - yes. Or you mean FO3?
>>336259415
I do, because A. Fallout 3 has a tendency to not work on anything that isn't windows XP or Vista, and Bethesda have never patched it to work without Games for Windows Live.
B.When you play the two side by side, Fallout 3 is so shit you might as well not bother.
C.My PC has a stroke trying to run to games at once.
>>336259562
It's because bethesda has shitty writers
>>336259638
The bottom line is refing F3
>>336259794
Well yes, that's what I said. FO3 has complete level scaling. It kind of sucks, you shouldn't be able to blast top tier enemies at level 2.
I almost replied to this post >>336259548 seriously. Fuck me.
>People slam NV for 'muh invisible walls'
>Not a peep about F3's huge piles of random shit in DC that forced you go explore the wonderful world of the metro AKA Feral Ghouls Gone Wild!
>>336260058
As much as invisible walls infuriate me, at least with New Vegas its consistent world building, rather than a themepark RPG with random, non nonsensical shit thrown into it.
>need a throwback character, tribals and some trees? Have the Oasis!
>need a town full of kids? How Wacky!
>They built a town around a bomb?! How bizarre!
>Oh look, superheroes in a wasteland. Oh those guys!
>>336259548
don't ref me or my post ever again
>>336259068
Yes, you can go to vegas from good springs if you are not shit at the game.
They put a stealth boy in good springs.
>>336256896
You're retarded. NV has shit animations too, but it never tries to wow you with some utterly retarded cinematic intro. NV knows it's ugly and lets you play. F3 doesn't know it's ugly and ties to suck your dick anyway.
>played NV before 3
>Thought NV was pretty good story wise thanks to companion missions and "Multiple" endings
>Went into 4 expecting it to be just like NV
I want my 60 bucks back.
>>336259886
>you shouldn't be able to blast top-tier enemies at level 2
But you can't.
A level 2 Behemoth or Deathclaw has stats that are far superior to those of a level 2 player.
>>336260395
There are two if you are struggling.
>shoot Joe Cobb, take his stealthboy
>raid the safe in the Goodsprings inn for the second
People like the person you responded to just want their hands held throughout the whole game.
>>336260493
But this is the same when the player is level 30. This should not happen.
>>336260298
>with New Vegas its consistent world building, rather than a themepark RPG with random, non nonsensical shit thrown in
This too. Bethesda just doesn't understand Fallout. AT ALL.
>>336260337
What are you gonna do about it homo?
>>336239302
I think I might have had "better moments" in FO3 than I did in FNV, but I'd still consider FNV my favorite and objectively the better game.
But these moments just came from general happiness at the time of playing them and how fresh it felt (had not played that many open world games before, and I liked the style alot).
>>336260298
>Implying that themepark RPGs can't be immersive and fun in their own right
You might as well slam GTA for having stunt jumps built into the map.
>>336260656
And I bet you fully understand it, after reading shitposts in daily "FALLOUT 3 SUCKS DOESN'T IT GUYS, FALLOUT NV WAS SO MUCH BETTER" threads on /v/
Faggot
>>336256534
>Overly-complicated
>>336260748
Todd don't be homophobic.
>>336260740
GTA isn't an RPG. I'd expect it from GTA because having shit like that is a staple part of the series.
>these moments just came from general happiness at the time of playing them and how fresh it felt (had not played that many open world games before
I think this is what people mean when they say that FO3 was "better", it's just nostalgia.
>>336260748
not him, but I understand it after playing hundreds of hours of1,2 and NVandreading the fallout bible
>>336259435
>The Outcasts are last minute editions, tacked on to justify why the East Coast variants are "different".
But that's wrong. The Outcasts exist because not everyone in the BoS agreed with how things were going to change, they play no part in anything else because they are literally a small group without the rest of the BoS.
>had that kid become the new leader, and then make them basically the same as the Outcasts
That's double wrong
>If the East Coast brotherhood are so morally reprehensible, why then did they destroy The Pitt?
Because when that happened the eastern BoS was still following their original format
>>336261009
yup, it's babbie's first rpg, sandbox and fallout, all in one!
>>336260519
I know you're baiting but fuck it, as i said you'll be underleveled once you reach NV and wont be able to make any good decisions since so much is locked behind skill checks
>>336260642
Enemies do become easier to beat in the late game though and this is due to perks rather than stats.
Perks are what give you the edge in FO3 and stats and levels act as nothing more than progress gates for these perks.
>>336260748
Yeah, actually i do. No need to be so salty.
>>336260449
This is the most baseless argument in the thread
>>336259435
And they still didn't get the brotherhood right in FO4.
>Blowing up the institute
>destroying tech of any kind
>giving up a potential synth army the brotherhood could use against the NCR, neutralizing their one disadvantage
Maxson would be vaporized for that shit by the west coast brotherhood. He's only slightly better than lyons
>>336260642
But it isn't like that, where are you getting this from?
i 100% agree.
The production value is drastically superior. Bethesda is a better developer than Obsidian.
>>336261089
>But that's wrong. The Outcasts exist because not everyone in the BoS agreed with how things were going to change, they play no part in anything else because they are literally a small group without the rest of the BoS.
Well that's not answering my point is it. All you've said here is why the exist. I know WHY the exist lore wise, but they are so obviously a last minute edition. They add nothing to the game, which is why the first DLC is dedicated to them. They should play a part because they are a splinter group of the main "good guy" faction. I'd get it if it was a group who split from those the Talon Company or someone else who makes no impact, but this one of two major factions.
>That's double wrong
Good argument. Call me wrong without any evidence. Classy.
>Because when that happened the eastern BoS was still following their original format
I'll give you that, but how come nobody mentions it? You'd think Werhner's long range signal would have been picked up by either the Outcasts and or EC brotherhood (both have the technology to send a signal back by the way, look it up). You'd think the Outcasts would use this as a means of getting the retards who still believe the EC are "good guys" to defect.
Plus this doesn't excuse why as soon as they turn up in DC, do the brotherhood decide to go "yeah he destroyed an entire city before, but let's not do it this time guys. These people need water and shit"
>>336261313
The perks should help you defeat enemies yes I get it, but these enemies scale up. I should use these perks and new weapons/armor to go back to high level areas where I previously had difficult and then plow through it.
But at the same time, if I was sneaky/skilled enough to complete these high level areas before I get all the perks, then I should be entitled to do so. I shouldn't be reliant on scaled loot tables and scaled enemies.
>>336261064
>the Fallout Bible is no longer considered canon
>A box full of Puppets webcomic however is canon
Fuck this earth.
>>336242219
Exploration was better, but Obsidian actually managed to lead the player around NV's map in a very effective way.
>>336247750
Fun universe, fun rpg elements (when present)
>>336239302
No you stupid faggot
>>336254974
I keep downloading sex mods and jerking off to Ranger Ghost booty, I only play the game on console
New Vegas is mediocre at best, it only gets praise because Obshitian fanboys will eat any garbage those overhyped hipsters would produce, there is a reason no studio works with them twice.
>>336256186
they fucked it up by presenting several humans just going an inch below ground level and pretending they could survive a nuclear blast like that
jesus christ if that worked, you could just dig a whole in your yard and be fine aside from long-time fallout
>>336263042
or because it was the closest thing to a real Fallout game and spiritual successor to Fallout 2.
>>336256896
there's a difference between graphical ability and animation, anon
>>336261794
> know WHY the exist lore wise, but they are so obviously a last minute edition. They add nothing to the game, which is why the first DLC is dedicated to them.
The lore reason is the only reason they exist, it's "obvious" to you that they're a "last minute edition" because you desperately want reasons to justify your hatred of Bethesda.
They add nothing to the game because they have no way to add anything to the game, and the first DLC is not "dedicated" to them, they're used as a tool for the player to get to the DLC.
If anything you're saying was true, then they wouldn't proceed to wipe themselves out in that bunker after you open and enter the armory.
>Call me wrong without any evidence.
The BoS in Fo4 act just like they did in Fo3, you are literally wrong
>but how come nobody mentions it?
That's a question I do not have an answer for
>Plus this doesn't excuse why as soon as they turn up in DC
The fuck are you even talking about?
>>336256994
>4gb
too bad the maker is a cunt
>>336263275
Sure, long live old times grandpa, you are so cool. Bunch of fuckin hipsters.
>>336263221
not him but what also bothered me in Fallout 4 was the fact that Bethesda always forgets about Ghouls and the fact that they exist.
I can't even fathom how things are so bad 200 years after the bombs fell especially with the knowledge and capable help of Ghouls. I just know they won't stand for it because it used to be their home.
>>336257653
if you're retarded, then yeah
if you actually know how to play a video game then you're set after the powder ganger attack
new vegas may be a better game, but i had a lot more fun playing 3
>>336263543
>liking good games is hipster
can't tell if bait or retard at this point
>people replied to this thread.
Fucking pathetic.
>>336263830
>can't tell if bait or retard at this point
Because you are a clue less Obsidrone
>>336240405
Fallout 4 is so bad, it's the most boring on rails "open world" game ever
my issue with new vegas is that i wanted a game where it felt like the apocalypse, and new vegas didn't feel like that. it felt like a wild west game with laser guns
with 3 i really did feel like i was crawling around a wasteland
>>336248273
>reddit= honest and "to the point" opinions
>4chan= contrarian and passive aggresive shitposting
>>336264224
thats bait buddy
you went right for it
>>336240952
Fallout world isnt a post apocalyptic world though, its a post-post apocalyptic world where society is largely rebuilt and the landscape is mostly back to normal unfortunately Bethesda are retarded
>>336264364
i always saw it as a post-modernist apocalyptic world, but thats just me
>>336263372
>The lore reason is the only reason they exist, it's "obvious" to you that they're a "last minute edition" because you desperately want reasons to justify your hatred of Bethesda.
Ah so you're a fanboy who is blinded by poor games design. Gotcha.
>The BoS in Fo4 act just like they did in Fo3, you are literally wrong
The EC and the Outcasts continue their war. Lyon's dies and is replaced by Sarah. Outcasts kill Sara. Maxson becomes the special snowflake "elder" despite being 16 years old. Outcasts lose and are forced back into the EC chapter. Maxson can't decide if they should act more like EC or the actual brotherhood.
Maxson is debating whether or not he wants to change them back. How the fuck is that "exactly the same" as F3's version? Maxson is the tool of Bethesda's shoddy writing. It would have made much more sense to just have the Outcasts win and stick them in Fallout 4. But no they had win but still change their entire ideology, undermining the whole reason and purpose why the went to the war with the Outcasts.
>The fuck are you even talking about?
My bad, that should be "doesn't explain as soon as the turn up in Washington DC". There is literally no reason as to why Lyon's decided in DC to change the brotherhoods ideology.
The Brotherhood already had one defection when they were passing through Chicago. Surely then they would have decided to undergo some reform or revolution.
Not entirely sure what I'm doing arguing with you to be honest. I can smell the Bethdrone.
>>336264227
Then you are a retard.
Fallout was and always should have been POST, POST APOCALYPTIC, meaning they have gone past being surviving in a new wasteland, and they are now in the process of rebuilding civilisation.
If you wanted it to fell apocalyptic, go play the new Mad Max game or something.
I can see why a lot of people like NV, it's a great RPG but to me is a really boring game
Say what you will about FO3 and 4 but those two games never bored me, there is allways something going on in FO3 and 4, i happen to find myself on long stretches of time where nothing happens in NV and i have to force something to happen if i want to get some action.
I recognize that NV is a fantastic experience and i can see why people love it, but it is a game i classify as "Not for everyone", there is a lot to be found and lot to be experienced in NV, some people might find that a bonus when a game has that much content, i find it a detriment since it only has one gameplay style (Wich is being an FPS) and you will need to really enjoy what you are getting into and multiple playthroughs to see it all
I just can't be bothered, i rather have something like FO4 where i'm told where to go, i know who my enemy is and i get into fights every now and then, i wish FO4 had the quality of writing NV had for sure though
>>336264943
I mean RPGs are not to everyones tastes. If you don't enjoy them then that's your opinion.
>>336264817
>implying mad max isn't post post apocalyptic
>>336264943
>I recognize that NV is a fantastic experience and i can see why people love it, but it is a game i classify as "Not for everyone"
And FO3 is?
>>336265060
That's why i say "It's not for everyone", it's not a shit game by any stretch of the imagination, but it's one of those games that you hate it or you love it
>>336265121
It's easier to get into, at least in my experience and what i've heard from others
>>336265084
Yeah fair point. Ignore that. I just couldn't think of any post apocalyptic games.
>>336264642
>Ah so you're a fanboy
>Maxson can't decide if they should act more like EC or the actual brotherhood.
>I can smell the Bethdrone
You're showing signs of not knowing anything about Fo4, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're just trolling
8/10 for a job well done
>>336264943
So what you're saying is that you're easily entertained retard with low attention span
cool, this is why AAA gaming is basically dead outside of jew marketing tricks
>>336265358
Oh fuck me here.
Just read this.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Arthur_Maxson
>>336265718
>read
what do I look like to you, some fucking nerd?
get lost fag
>>336265589
>ye olde "you are just a kid with lot attention span" meme
name another game that has you walking around for miles and has boring moments where nothing is going on
seriously everytime someone judges NV for being a boring game everyone brings up the same dumb argument "if you don't like those things you are just a kid that needs to be entertained every 5 seconds"
>>336265886
Pete Hines pls go
>>336265718
The abbreviation for Enclave is also EC, so that's where I became confused, knowing that you meant East Coast you now sound like an obsidrone with is 10 times worse.
You simply refuse to believe characters can be written more than just two dimensional, any case of this happening in Fo3/Fo4 in your mind HAS to be an asspull, Bethesda is not allowed to write anything well.
I haven't played 3 enough to form an opinion on it.
But I sure as hell played the fuck out of nv. Almost 300 hours.
It's so fucking captivating and what gets me mad is when my boy says he thinks it sucks, the guy hasn't got to new Vegas. Still in primm and that's where he's dropped it.
>>336266940
But applying special snowflake status to a one dimensional character is poor writing. All they have done is retcon what they previously have written. Inconsistency in writing is far worse than writing poorly, because with bad writing you know what to expect.
For example, I knew F4 would be sub-par because Skyrim was a downgrade of Oblivion.
>>336267314
Skyrim was better than Oblivion, though? It had a leveling system that wasn't completely fucking retarded and the setting was boring, but less boring than Oblivion.
>>336264943
>but those two games never bored me
you mean going through Mr Subway's wild ride was a nonstop thrill per second?
>>336267314
Your definition of special snowflake status is anyone who's different from a random person in the crowd, and for that you are literally retarded
>>336266036
Ignore him, I disagree with you but I understand what you were saying.
>>336267754
Yeah but that's one of the only moments i can recall, NV is full of them
>>336239302
Nah, after playing nv, going back and playing 3 was impossible, could only do it via TTW.
>>336267218
>dropped in primm
quite the homosexual, your friend there
>>336264943
>i happen to find myself on long stretches of time where nothing happens in NV
probably because you're exploring the world and talking to people
>but it is a game i classify as "Not for everyone"
unlike F4 which tries to appeal to everyone by being mediocre at everything
>i find it a detriment since it only has one gameplay style (Wich is being an FPS)
kind of like... F3, FNV, and F4?
>i rather have something like FO4 where i'm told where to go
so you're a casual who likes Call of Duty
>>336271256
I like Call of Duty and New Vegas...
Yeah... well... I think brotherhood of steel is best so there!
>>336271485
you specifically said New Vegas was boring
>>336249356
>>336251639
Need to buy enough games for the console to justify the purchase for myself. The library is still pretty light.
>>336271256
>i like simpler games so i must be a CoD fan
>appealing to the majority is a bad thing
>nothing happening = i-it's roleplaying anon! you are supposed to walk around the wasteland doing nothing!
the worst excuse for a game i've ever seen, this is why i say NV is not for everyone, only a handful of people like NVs playstyle compared to FO3 and 4
1 hour in FO4 i already killed a deathclaw and cleaned up 2 buildings, solved like 5 quests
1 hour in NV depending on how you play either you are in the middle of 3 convicts in Primm or you haven't even discovered Primm by that point
>>336271714
I'm another poster.
>those people who praise Fallout 3 because it let's you go wherever you want and skip entire story quests
>mfw people don't realize this is a bad thing
>>336259415
>why don't you just order the rancid turd AND the Subway® Sub™ Made Fresh at Subway® by a talented Subway® Sandwich Artist™ to your personal specifications
>>336239302
Elder scrolls babbys prefer 3.
Fallout fans prefer new vegas.
>>336271879
Instant Gratification: The Post
>>336271879
>1 hour in FO4 i already killed a deathclaw
That's not exactly an argument in favour of FO4...
>>336271879
>I like shooters and being told where to go
that's the backbone of CoD
>appealing to the majority
at the loss of the mechanics which were expanded in the previous iteration and the basic feeling that the series had since the beginning to try and get the CoD crowd, yes
>exploration and talking aren't things happening
yeah, how dare you have to WALK in a ROLE PLAYING GAME what the FUCK
>handful of people
they were all extremely high selling games, you're factually incorrect
30 minutes into F4 you kill a deathclaw, get OP Armor, were put on a quest to help people whether you wanted to or not, shot out a neighborhood, shot out a town, killed a raider army, and have 2 followers
30 minutes into NV and you can still be exploring the area, talking to people, get in an exciting small-scale fight, and make actual choices
enjoy your Michael Bay games, casual
>>336271526
A bunch of tech hording xenophobes, who would gladly kill you for the weapon in your hand, what is appealing about them to you?
>>336272302
>not liking freedom
>>336272302
>skip entire story quests
what?
>>336271879
You just explained the problem.
A deathclaw is supposed to be an incredibly strong enemy. Something everyone in the wasteland fears. Yet FO4 dishes them out like candy. FO4 does nothing but spoonfeed to you. It treats you like an idiot because that is what makes money.
>Wow I feel so cool taking on a deathclaw so early
Exactly, it isn't cool if its that early in the game and it was so easy.
>>336272923anon, it was a joke about the worst game in the series
>>336272997
You can head to your dad's location from the moment you leave the Vault among other things.
>>336273186
Damn, you austim
>>336273408
At least you aren't autistic enough to make this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Xs1tm-9-U
>>336273669
ahaha what
this is worse than I imagined
>>336272983
Freedom isn't the problem, the problem is that you can literally skip parts of the story because they made it too easy to do so, I new Vegas, you had to fucking earn the ability to skip the first half because the quick way to New Vegas was full of Deathclaws and Cazadors
>>336274232
What do you mean? It looks like the best one in the series.
>this basically killed fallout until bethesda
>>336239302
I played both through last summer, 3 before NV
NV is definitely better in almost all ways.
More content in general, better storyline etc.
The only thing Fallout 3 did better was the feeling of a wasteland. The athmosphere was much more darker, and I liked that. Although it became bland at times.
>>336274236
You would need outside information to know where to go to skip story parts, so they know that only veterans or people who don't really care would do it anyway
it cheapens the story, sure, but still
>>336243523
it was my favorite DLC though
>>336274483
The problem is its been 200 years since the bombs fell. things really shouldn't be that ridiculously bad.
>>336274236
How is this a problem? It increases replay value by allowing you to bypass unnecessary filler, which is exactly how an open world game should be designed.
I always loved 3. It was comfy as hell, NV was sweaty as hell. I had it had it modded as fuck on my old laptop and would kill hangovers playing all day.
Too bad I can't get em working on the new laptop..
>>336242281
why the fuck do you type like that
>>336274236
>you had to fucking earn the ability to skip the first half because the quick way to New Vegas was full of Deathclaws and Cazadors
How do you do this?
The only thing stopping me from starting a new vegas again is the hour or so before you even get on the strip.
>>336275193
stealth boy in schoolhouse
stealth boy in joe cobb's corpse
use those two to skip the deadfangs
>>336275193
Kill Joe Cob, use his Stealth Boy, and stick to the mountain sides
>>336275162
It's baitspeak
>>336275193
>Start game
>build character
>get into safe at schoolhouse
>stealthboy
>do quest and kill joe cobb
>loot him
>another stealth boy
>Use to get by death claws
>Get to vegas
>Make money in atomic wrangler to get half decent weapon
>enjoy game
>>336275325
>>336275363
>>336275415
Much appreciated, will tryand probably die horribly like a shitter
>>336274464
In 3, I also found very little sidequests in my first playthrough, and I didn't like it enough for a second.
I completed NV about 3 times in total. Because of the different paths you can take, the game pretty much forced me to play it again. And because of that I discovered many new things on new playthroughs. Never had that incentive in FO3 to play through the game again.
I still haven't completed Old World Blues, Lonesome Road and maybe a couple sidequests.
I should get back into it, but OWB is quite tedious (both Dead money and Honest Hearts were very good though)
>>336275545
3 has17side quests
>>336275545
Also, regarding DLC, I only did the alien dlc (mothership something) in FO3 and it fucking sucked. Extremely buggy and boring.
>>336275538
I always do it for unarmed runs since most unarmed weapons pre new vegas are shit. Atleast from there I can sneak my way to getting pushy.
>>336256896
>go through Goodsprings' rear exit
>Ignore Victor's warning
>Kill one (1) Cazador and 1 baby cazador, latter isn't even a challenge
>either go around Bandit town if you're shit/don't have Ultimate Edition/something or fight the bandits and get amazing gear right off the bat
>Literally just walk to NV from there
or
>you start off the game with 1-2 stealth boys
>Stealth Boy past deathclaws near Sloan entrance, go through black mountain entrance
>ignore Mutant guy's warning
>either use second stealth boy or run past Nightkin
>Dead NCR trooper with .357 Magnum and rounds + stims
>take path straight behind his corpse to area south of McCarran
>walk to NV
I must agree, kind of a dick move by Obs to put those Deathclaws there, but if you actually "explored" which people say is something that NV is shit for, you can easily get by them.
Seriously, the first one I mentioned needs you at most to fight 1 cazador, about 3 geckos and a few Fiends before you're at vegas.
Fuck off with this meme non-argument
>>336275729
>only17
Surely this cannot be true.
>>336275545
Old World Blues is tedious, but one of the most fun
honest hearts was the most boring
>>336275392
I know man but I see that shit on every thread.
>>336275765
Pretty much every dlc except point lookout is pretty crap. Broken steel is "meh" The evil ending for it makes no fucking sense with your character having no motivation.
>>336275545
The reason why there aren't a lot of sidequests in 3 is because because only significant quests get put in your quest log. There are a shit ton of unmarked quests and dungeons to go through.
>>336275893
it's true, though they are all pretty long.
>>336275939
New vegas has even more unmarked quests though.
>>336275893
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_quests
>>336275893
not counting the unmarked "go 5 metres and talk to that guy" quests
EMIL PAGLIARULO IS A HACK
THERE I SAID IT
I had played Morrowind and the System Shock games prior to 2008 when I got FO3, and I'm not saying it is a perfect game but something about it made me want to see every last inch of the world. I haven't felt that way since, and it sucks. I want to turn FO4 off pretty much as soon as I realize all my big settlements are functioning optimally.
Why do the fucking voice actors sound so damn stupid?
>>336254031
>Beyond the Beef is an exception to the rule
>Compare that to You Shoot Em In The Head or any other side quest from Fallout 3
More like You Shoot Em In The Head is an exception to the rule, it's one of the very few quests that have more than one ending in Fallout 3.
Not to mention those ending are not that impressive either, it' just:
>give keys and get money
>keep keys and get power armor
>agree to not get keys and get money
The only other quest that I can think of that had branching paths in F3 is the Oasis one.
On the other hand in NV most of the quests have branching paths. If you think that most of them are linear then I recommend you replay the game.
>>336275939
all those unmarked quests were a bitch to keep track of
Say something nice about fallout 3, without being sarcastic.
I'll start.I enjoyed Operation Anchorage, Point Lookout, and most of the ayy lmao DLC
>>336276183
Because the accent is horrible and everyone was really bored
FO4<FO3<FONV
Fallout 4's greatest flaw and the main reason it fails is that it spreads itself way too thin. Then it shoots itself in the foot by having a voiced protagonist, limiting any and all dialogue/story/dlc and mods that can be made for it
tl:dr
It does a bunch of things that could be cool, but they do them mediocre
>>336276080
>F4 barely has more quests than F3
JUST
>>336276274
I thought Point Lookout was fucking dope. For some reason the first time I saw the words THE LOCAL FLAVOR on my screen, meaning I finally realized how to get the DLC working, I got chills.
>>336276274
>ayy lmao DLC
That sucked.
Anyway, people bash it for graphics nowadays, but it really looked fine. The style was good, mostly good. Without it, we wouldn't get Vegas.
>>336276157
tell us something we don't know
>mfw he won best writing award for fallout 3
>>336257653
>but everything up until you reach Freeside is a tutorial and any attempt to deviate from the intended path is meet by pure anal rape from legions of Deathclaws
>implying
You probably think that finding Benny is required to finish the game too.
>>336276393
It ditched RPG mechanics for sub-par shooter mechanics
it limited the freedom of the player for a sub-par story
it had a better story by only having sub-par side quests
>>336275193
You can jump up some rocky outcrops near the Hidden Valley and keep walking on them to skip all but one Deathclaw which you can either stealth boy past or snipe from your safe spot up the mountains.
>>336276274
it took a game series in an entirely new genre and it did it well
>>336276274
I unironically consider it to be one of my GOAT's despite it's shit main quest.
>>336276274
I barely remember playing it, that's nice I guess
>>336239302
>kill me
>>336276536
>he won best writing award for fallout 3
>>336276536
>Bible Quote Son :^)
>Get it Son :^)
>You're my son, Son :^)
>Kill Urself :^)
>>336276589
yeah and all those things are systemic of it trying to do too much, trying to juggle all that shit while having a voiced main character just fucked it all up
>>336276780
yes
thats what I said
thank you for telling me what I just said
>>336259068
Since when is linearity bad though?
I will take a game with good linear structure over meaningless mess with level scaling any day.
>>336276876
thought you were disagreeing with the the first post
>>336276536
>>336276735
>>336276729
It was 2008, other contestants would be GTA IV, MGS4, Dead Space, Bad Companywhen I think about it I would give that award to any of those games instead of f3
>>336276735
The one good thing about fallout 3's storytelling is unless you don't pick certain dialogue options (Which is either the evil option or one that leads to death so you wouldn't need it there anyway) Was the fact you aren't specifically told the code so you need to actually remember 2-1-6. Felt like an actual subtle moment for good players.
>>336276994
>bad company
I miss that game, at least BC2 still has a pretty active MP
>>336276907
It's not inherently bad, it's just bad in an open world.
Usually when something in linear, it makes sense. This doesn't.
>>336277126
is linear*
Can't type today
>>336277091
Bad Company was the shit, the only fps I played on console
>that freedom in singleplayer
>that dialogue
>that one map where you were escaping tanks in golf carts
All this talk is making me reinstall TTW. Aka, How Fallout 3 and NV is meant to be played.
>>336276969
thats because you're a shitty reader, anon
>>336259548
>The game pushes you so hard to go to novac it's insane
>Why does it do that?
Oh I dunno, probably because it makes fucking sense.
>What were the fucking devs thinking
That a logically structured linear questline that opens up later on is better than something that has literally no logical structure at all.
>oh shit I need to find my dad it's urgent
>but let me do those insignificant things first, what could possibly go wrong?
as opposed to
>oh shit I need to find that asshole who shot me in the head and stole my package it's urgent
>now that I've done that I can fuck around
>>336277419
>I need to find my dad it's urgent
It isn't if you don't want it to be.
How TLW reacts to his dad's disappearance is entirely up to you.
>>336277706
Except you can't stay in the vault cus reasons.
>>336276274
It made New Vegas possible.
Lets be honest, Van Buren was going to be shit.
>>336277872
It sounded okay from the design documents. The engine looked cool.
>>336277807
You can't stay in the Vault because nearly everyone in it wants you dead.
Did you even play the game?
>>336277126
>Usually when something in linear, it makes sense. This doesn't.
It does though.
New Vegas is linear up until you find Benny because finding him is an urgent matter.
>>336277872
Eh from what I read it sounded half decent. Maybe it wouldn't "save the series" But I think I would enjoy playing it.
>You can have ghoul babies
>>336277706
Then why make it part of the MSL at all
>the vault is running our if water it's important
>your village is starving it's important
>some dude shot me in the head it's important
All these rely in the players since of self preservation , while FO3S assumes you care about your obviously neglectful father
>>336278035
But why did they wan't you dead? You didn't do shit. Yeah my dad fucked out, but I doubt a realistic person would want to kill me for it. Maybe keep me locked up for awhile for questioning but thats it.
I can't get into New Vegas. I don't think it's any fault of the game, I just inexplicably lose interest right after Primm.
>>336278426
It gets really good once you reach NV, use one of the tricks to skip to it if you really need to.
>>336278196
Self-preservation plays into it if you consider >>336278035
>Vault 101 and every other vault in D.C. lacks a GECK
>Vault 87, a vault seemingly designed to fail, has a GECK
Vault 87/Little Lamplight is where FO3 commits narrative suicide. Coincidentally they are related areas.
>>336256994
Quickloot is easily the best thing from Fallout 4. Pretty much everything else in the game is massively flawed in one way or another, but fucking seriously nicely done to whoever came up with quickloot.
>>336257653
retard, bait or not.
>>336257761
Open Freeside too.
>>336259068
FUCK ME JUST END YOUR LIFE
>>336259542
Nope.
>>336259548
Retarded, bait or not
>>336260480
I also expected them to learn from NV. But no. Game is 80% shit, 10% meh and %10 good-ish
>>336260493
>Be level <10
>random-ass supermutants rush me out of nowhere as I do some shitty Megaton quest
>watch one fire his minigun atme and bullets just fly all around me like if ripped straight from a cartoon
>shitty .32 pistol takes away like half their health with each shot
>now have minigun, kill Deathclaw shortly afterwards
10/10 amazing experience and your post is 100% accurate in my eyes
>>336263042
>>336263543
Retard, bait or not
>>336264227
Fallout isn't post-apocalyptic in that sense.
>>336264943
I somewhat agree, but seriously, people like you are the reason the quality of AAA games drops year by year.
>>336267218
I've got at least like 5 friends like this. The most anyone on my friendslist has on NV is like 3 hours. Most of my friends spend most of their time playing nothing but DotA, CSGO and Rocket League, sadly.
I'm happy with my friends IRL for once in my life but I need better steam friends.
>>336271879
You're just like my IRL friends.
Fucking casual.
>>336275545
OWB is pretty tedious. Even trying to rush the main quest to get out asap can get pretty annoying/feel very slow. Lobotomite rape squads aren't very fun. And Lonesome road is meh, a few good guns and the best armour in the game but otherwise bland.
>>336275874
>decide to make unarmed run
>go to Bonnie Springs right away
>get Love and Hate
Level 30 so far and still my favourite weapon.
>>336276274
We wouldn't have gotten NV/Point Lookout is pretty decent, but those have been mentioned.
Can't think of anything else.
>>336240672
What invisible walls?
>>336278790
Pretty much.
The main quest is pretty decent until you find James, then it becomes a trainwreck.
Are there any moments in fallout 4 where it isn't linear and your choice does matter? (Other than picking a faction)
>>336276393
It's Bethesda's patented "Wide as an ocean, shallow as a puddle" system.
>>336277872
I dunno, Van Buren does look pretty strange in many ways, but who knows. LOTS of aspects from New Vegas got taken straight out of Van Buren. The quasi-3D stuff looked dumb tho, easily the worst art style a game can have.
>>336278035
Why would they want you dead tho?
Also if you return to the vault to do the side quest, and you side with the girl and topple her dad, she still fucking kicks you out.
>>336278426
First time I played it, I made the massive mistake of letting SUnny teach you about plants and shit. That stuff lasts AGES and just kills you out of boredom. Then I trued again and lost interest after Primm, like you. Then I pushed myself again, started getting interested right after reaching Nipton and got completely hooked after the REPCONN building quest.
Can easily avoid the boredom by heading straight north after goodsprings.
>>336278790
Still mad at fucking Lamplight and everything that happens afterwards.
>>336271879
>1 hour in FO4 i already killed a deathclaw
HOW CAN YOU TROT THIS OUT AS A GOOD THING?!?!
>>336263432
Ehh, mod creators usually are.
>>336239302
>help us out son/daughter
>fuck off dad
>ok, I'm gonna wait here until you decide to do this quest
Great fucking ROLEPLAYING game
>>336280126
It gets better
>I wanted you to stay in the vault because I didn't want you to risk your life
>but now that you are here I guess fuck that, how about you kill that dozen of supermutants down there
>>336253934
>we
gonna have to disagree with you on principle senpai
>>336278798
>I've got at least like 5 friends like this. The most anyone on my friendslist has on NV is like 3 hours. Most of my friends spend most of their time playing nothing but DotA, CSGO and Rocket League, sadly.
Literally my friends, they say that NV/Fallout in general is "too depressing" Bunch of fags I say.
>>336280347
>want to stay in the vault
>Sneak around so I don't kill any guards
>Help butch so he doesn't tell the guard where I am
>Surrender to overseer thinking I did nothing wrong so
>Tries to kill me
>Defend myself
>HOW COULD YOU KILL MY DAD!
>>336277126
>Due to this overwheling consensus, we were obliged to fight a massive war
Every time
>Dad apparently designed a water purifier that uses a GECK as a central, vitally important part
>He has never worked with a GECK and has never had access to one
>He also designs said water purifier to have a trap that dumps a bunch of radiation into the fucking control room because reasons
>The purifier isn't even active yet, so this radiation trap just magically summons some super deadly radiation from the aether because Bethesda
>Col Autumn survives this super deadly radiation just fine using a magic potion that is never explained or brought up at all
>You have to kill yourself to activate the purifier since you cannot obtain Autumn's magic radiation immunity potion
>Or pay 10 dollars and the super deadly radiation isn't really super deadly anymore and you just sleep it off
>New vegas is forever condemned to be stuck on gamebryo
I would kill to get it on a non dogshit engine.
>>336280775
If someone could remake it in F4's engine, that'd be great
>>336280424
>"depressing"
Exact same wording my friend used when he played FO1 with me. Kept on going on about how cool and different and old it was and how it actually was more fun than he expected, btu it was "too depressing" and he'd probably never play it again. No fucking clue how that logic works, but otherwise he's pretty based so idm.
>>336280903
F4 is gamebryo too, but now everything is greasy.
>>336280760
Sidequests don't have that good of writing either
>Tenpenny
>Is willing to accept ghouls in if the people are up for it
>Seems like a nice guy who believes in democracy
>Wants to nuke a town
>Apparently hates ghouls for some reason
>He likes ghouls and hates ghouls at the same time
I've played both games and finished all of the DLCs for both games, and I can say that both games are great in their own rights, although the stories are kind of "meh". I mean, Colonel Autumn's asspulling of a special chemical that you can't obtain (aka the one that saved him during the meltdown) is just bullshit, and Fallout NV contains the first ever canonized ending ; [NCR wins] .
Please guys, just stop arguing with each other about "which game is better". Both games are great, and let's appreciate that. Although I did hear Fallout 4 is worse, even though I did not play it. Is that true?
>>336281014
It's Gamebryo 2: Electric Boogaloo
either way, its better than how shitty F3 and FNV looked
>>336281024
Tenpenny is an evil, well mannered brit for the sake of being an evil, well mannered brit
>tell you that he shoots at people from his balcony because it's fun
>wants to nuke Megaton because it ruins his fucking landscape
>doesn't like ghouls because they are filthy but is willing to take them in because money
>>336281056
Yes.
>>336281246
Imo NV with mods looks better than F4, I hate that "covered in grease" syndrom many new RPGs have.
>>336281343
why is he british
why are there any british people
it'd make sense if they used that pseudo-british accent rich people learned in the 30's
>>336280576
>ohai I've been giving information to the enclave
>they murdered my dad and others working on the project
>It's cool bro they just want to help people
>Kill her
>you lose karma
>>336281481
I don't know about that. It can look better in some aspects, but the characters/fabrics look especially terrible.
For some reason people have forgotten how to do dry textures.
>>336281481
3/NV look like shit no matter what you do to them.
>>336280941
Yeah. Personally I love Fallout's lore and I find it interesting, not depressing. But different strokes for different folk I guess.
>>336281343
Why are there so many foreigners on the east coast?
We have Tenpenny and Moriarty, who both canonically came from Europe. Then we also have Dukov who came from fucking nowhere.
I guess they all teleported to D.C., since any reliable intercontinental travel would be a pretty huge deal in the post-apocalypse especially considering that the entire east coast is devoid of civilization.
Man, I remember when we thought The Institute would be some super advanced city-state and had actual civilization from the information given in FO3. Then FO4 comes out and Beth just shits out a lazy mix of The Think Tank and The Master.
>>336281481
Actually the color palette and design is a little closer to the original than 3 and NV
[Spoiler] I'm not defending it [/spoiler]
>>336281514
from Emil Pagliarulo, the lead designer of Fallout 3:
>Allistair Tenpenny came to the Capital Wasteland from Great Britain to seek his fortune, so that alone tells you that the U.K. was also hit in the war. And if he came to U.S. to succeed, that says a lot about how screwed up Europe must be. So we just allude, a little bit, to the state of the rest of the world. We like to leave a lot to the players' imaginations, and somebody like Tenpenny serves as a catalyst for those thoughts.
>>336281771
Not necesarilly
>>336281926
>Actually the color palette and design is a little closer to the original than 3 and NV
How, 1 and 2 were pretty brown and not all that colorful.
>>336281891
I love how openly whatshisface was about being from the Institute in F3. Like it wasn't a big deal at all. He was a superior asshole and had tons of power.
But it was just nothing. People still think the Institute might be a myth in F4 but he can go around blabbing about it.
>>336282153
You're not supposed to defeat your own argument anon.
>>336281974
Does he have any idea how big of a trip that would be? How the fuck does some randy just make a trip to the US? Why aren't there more british people? Why aren't there more? Why aren't they like the Irish fleeing the potato famine?
what the fuck, what a retarded, shitty, lazy hack
>>336282439
>implying it looks like shit
Show us some good grahics then Anon.
>>336282307
Of all the things they bring from FO3 they decided not to bring back Harkness the synth from Rivet City as a member of the Railroad or something who fights The Institute.
Wasted potential as always.
Then again the Replicated Man or whatever its called quest was always a bit contrived with the writing. Rivet City just so happened to have a genius electrician/plastic surgeon/roboticist guy that could wipe out Harkness's past memory and give him a face lift at the same time.
>>336282153
>rock is just geometry that juts out of the ground
>bushes/grass look completely 2D
>ground is completely flat
>textures are all terrible
>you can see pixels
>>336282653
pic related, faggot
I don't even think Star Citizen looks that great, but at least it looks like a game not made in 2002
>>336282752
Of course!
Good ol' Rivet City, home of 30 people.
When I first heard about it, I thought Rivet City was actually going to rival DC as an example of a thriving community. I thought it would have buildings or more than 5 shops. I thought it would be fun to explore. When I found that marker to the little platform and saw the stupid aircraft carrier, that's when F3 turned shitty for me.
>>336282903
>I don't even think Star Citizen looks that great, but at least it looks like a game not made in 2002
Maybe because it's not even made yet.
>>336283410
all those lets plays are cg trailers, right?
>>336283145
>Good ol' Rivet City, home of 30 people
I hate how they don't even pretend there the 'cities' are bigger then they are. They just plop 4-5 buildings down and expect you to accept that it's a thriving community.
>>336283719
It works in something like Elder Scrolls where even surviving when fiery Oblivion death could rain down from the cosmos any second, horrifying gods try to fuck with you every day, and people are few
not when there are actual cities around the map where millions of people used to live
>start up NV
>mod it so it looks better
>start game
>feel like i'm going nowhere
it's the only thing keeping me from playing the game, at what point do you feel like the game is picking up?
>>336283545
Lets plays of an unfinished game.
But that's not the point. The point is that, while not photorealistic or anything, NV with mods looks decent enough (unless all you care about is graphics but why the fuck do you even play Fallout then) and saying that it looks like shit and like from 2002 is a gross exaggeration.
I will take slightly dated graphics over the grease-covered wax figures from F4 any day.
>>336282527
If it means anything, San Fransisco is full of Japanese people who fled to California after the war
>>336284083
when I start the game and it gives me things to do
have you considered waiting until after you're done customizing your character and can move around?
>>336284138
An unfinished game that is running fine for plenty of people and, even with a moderate graphical downgrade, looks 10 years ahead of F3 or NV
>>336284083
When you find Benny, it takes about 30 minutes in a 40+ hour game
>>336284002
No, it was dumb there too.
>>336284178
if its full, that at least makes sense
1 fucking guy coming over is weird
>>336284178
chinese. They didn't flee after the war, they are the descendants of the chinese that were in nuclear submarines on the US coast before the war.
>>336276274
Fallout 3 was an okay game overall to be honest. The writing was shit and the RPG elements were meh-ish but exploring the wasteland was fun. It's no 10/10 GOAT game and It's no New Vegas but for someone who really didn't get into the series later on I enjoyed it for what it was.
Point Lookout and The Pitt were also good.
>>336276585
>You probably think that finding Benny is required to finish the game too.
Not him, but how would one go about this?
I could only ever advance the plot by going into the Tops.
>>336284348
its a bit more within my realm of believability
>>336239302
Try to describe why without using the "f" word.
>>336284301
>explicitly say that it's not the point
>continues to talk about it
Yeah it looks better. So fucking what? I never said NV is the best looking game ever invented, it's subpar given the year it was made in.
Which doesn't mean it looks like shit.
>>336284236
Where does that happen
>Can handle Benny in a bunch of different ways
>Can handle Kellogg in only one way
Bravo Emil
>>336284590
the point is that F3 and NV look like ass
they will continue to look like ass due to engine limitations
>>336284549
You can beat it ncr without ever going there.
>>336240405
I think it is a great game! I've preordered a Pipboy edition(tm) and bought four other as a gift to my friends, imagine my fascination when i found that they did the same thing haha
>>336284549
NCR questline doesn't require any interaction with Benny.
You will be approached by an NCR trooper after you exit Lucky 38 for the first time.
>fallout 3
>wasteland needs water
>you know this because dad told you so and there's this one guy who's VERY thirsty
>water can be bought from vendors for few caps
>fallout 2
>town needs water
>pic related
>>336284549
NCR route the Platinum Chip is not necessary.
>>336259068
This is the games Achilles Heel. The only reason it's not as beloved as Fallout 3 was because most people want to fuck around and do dick in Bethesda while the first 10 hours of New Vegas is basically tutorial.
>>336251089
I'm dealing with one on Facebook at the moment who's trying to say that New Vegas is less related to Fallout than 3 and 4 is but this guy is totally talking out of his ass.
>inb4 facebook
>inb4 stop bloggingThese fags literally raise my blood pressure up because I can't believe that people are THIS retarded
>>336240675
That triggers me everytime.
>>336284684
What? You didn't want to kill the guy who had some part in raising your child, had experience with the institute despite a history of personal loyalty, you could get to know through his mind shit or by talking to him if he had lived, and represented a completely unique view of the wasteland?
well fuck you SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT
>>336284785
Well they look good enough to me, guess I'm lucky.
Can't stand how greasy F4 is though.
>>336284840
world building? why do that when we could get someone else to do shooting mechanics for us! we have a grenade button!
>>336284684
>only one way
I punched him to death and a friend of mine shot him to death, the freedom of choice in bethesda games is amazing!
>>336240552
daily reminder that ironic shitposting is still shitposting
>>336284918
I know you said inb4 but my guy
>>336284867
>the first 10 hours of New Vegas is basically tutorial
It's not tutorial, it's just linear. For a logical reason.
Just because F3 was 100% open world with level scaling doesn't mean NV has to follow the same formula, and frankly I do like the initial linearity. At least it's properly structured and makes sense.
>>336284138
>saying that it looks like shit and like from 2002 is a gross exaggeration
>>336285168
That's a sliver of a choice spectrum that could be 10x bigger
>>336285092
>Can't stand how greasy F4 is
I'm really not seeing it.
>>336285240
I have to use it to contact my boss and friends and I hate the fact that whenever people are allowed to post their opinion, they ALWAYS post the dumbest and shitttiest opinions out there.
>>336260659
Write angry post about it.
>>336285349
thanks anon
>>336284867
>>336284798
>>336284829
Thanks hombres.
NCR is the only ending that I haven't gotten yet.
>>336285441
can you think of anything dry in F4?
besides Preston Garvey
>fallout 3
>2 factions
>"evil" faction that you can't join
>white knight faction you're forced to join
>you need to take the purifier back from the people who also want to turn it on, yeah sure, their leader wants to pollute it with FEV but the only guy who knows about that plan is Colonel Autumn and he doesn't even want to do it, he literally just wants the Enclave to turn on the Purifier themselves so people would trust the Enclave
>your dad literally kills himself because he couldn't get the satisfaction of turning it himself
>Fallout New Vegas
>3 different factions
>1 evil faction that just wants that enslaves any tribe they come across
>1 good faction that sucks at their job
>1 neutral faction the just wants to make money
>alternatively, you could just take everything for yourself
>>336285430
Well I guess you are lucky then.
>>336264943
Why are you playing games marketed as RPGs? Sounds like FPS games with story modes are for you.
>>336285336
Maybe not 10 hours of tutorial but a lot of the first initial levels are basically there to sort of introduce you to the world and game mechanics.
Powder Gangers introduce you to the Reputation system, Primm and Mojave Express introduces you to NCR, Nipton introduces the Legion, Novac/REPCONN introduces you to Energy Weapons and Super Mutants etc.
In a writing and pacing stand point it's very well done but the problem is New Vegas is a game meant to be replayed multiple times and going through the same steps at the same pace get's grating after a while.
>>336285663
The fact the plot sucks, no choices and everything looks like plastic.
>>336285857
I meant literally a dry texture and made a joke, retard
>>336285728
That surely can't be ultra. She doesn't look THAT bad in my game. Woah.
But yeah, greasy even on max. Not very nice.
>>336285842
> but the problem is New Vegas is a game meant to be replayed multiple times and going through the same steps at the same pace get's grating after a while.
Well it's not there is no varation, a lot of those early quests can be handled in multiple different ways.
Not to mention you can actually rush to New Vegas with a stealth boy found in Goodsprings.
>>336259548
>Ceasers legion is one of the most retarded "bad guys" I've ever seen in a fucking video game
>>336286208
away, true to kaizer
>>336286208
>>Ceasers legion is one of the most retarded "bad guys" I've ever seen in a fucking video game
Maybe not the most retarded but it's fairly weak compared to the greatly developed NCR.
You'd only really ever get a sense of their goal by talking to Ceaser himself and even then helping Ceaser feels like helping an old shell of a man complete his power fantasies.
>>336286495
the legion is a dying shell of a faction, thats the point
>>336285761
No, don't get me wrong, i've played my fair share of RPGs, including recently finished DA1 and 2 and currently thinking of getting Inquisition
NV only has 1 playstyle and expects you to go through multiple playthroughs to experience it all and this is the only few times where i think having that amount of content without some variety is a detriment for a game
>>336286495
Time constraints are at fault here.
>>336254031
>"heartache by the numbers", choose whether to get Cass to pursue revenge or whether to just kill her
>dealing with primm, and having to decide who should be sheriff
>dealing with goodsprings, the very first town in the game, having to decide whether to back the powder gangers or not
>dealing with the town near camp forlorn hope--do you kill prisoners to let the NCR in PR save them but put yourself in danger
>various other quests that respond to your skills giving you different ways to finish them
I could do this all day, and that's before getting into the DLC, which was way better than what 3 got.
>>336286835
> i've played my fair share of RPGs, including recently finished DA1 and 2 and currently thinking of getting Inquisition
The fact that of all RPGs you decided to mention DA doesn't speak very well about you.
>>336286208
There is zero reason to side with them in NV.
>But-
What little good you hear about them is all word of mouth. You never see them do anything other than pillage.
Not that the NCR is any better mind you. Incompetent to the extreme.
>>336286959
Lonesome Road was better than 3
>>336286998
Cool armor
fun lore
you kill bureaucrat faggots
cool melee weapons
slaves
>>336286583
I'm not sure if I'd say that, Legion couldn't accomplish a lot of they shit they've pulled if that was true. Hell we see NCR more of the faction that's in over their heads instead. It's more like the Legion put all there baskets into one guy, who happens to have a brain tumor. Ceaser claims that the tribes are meant to all follow the single belief of the Legion but the truth is Ceaser is the Legion. Ceaser himself is the glue that's holding his group of cultist tribes together, they don't give a shit about the Legion it's all for Ceaser.
All this is fine though, the issue is we never see any of the "good" the Legions done. We never see how peaceful the east is when run by a feared dictator or their efficiency of caravans or anything. All we see the Legion do is pillage and rape and any inherent "greater good" is just word of mouth by an old dying man. So despite everything he claims to stand for, they're no more developed or right then the Fiends.
>>336264943
what are you talking about? I'm playing NV for the fourth or fifth time and I can barely decide what to do next because there's so many options. Do I go exploring and try and drum up some loot? Complete a quest which will send me to another quest hub where I'll get five more objectives? Shelve everything and do the next DLC? Progress the story by doing the main quest?
>>336287348
its almost like its Ceaser's Legion and, much like the emperors they take inspiration from, all the stability rests on a single ruler
>>336286959
Maybe I wasn't clear enough:
There are branches in NV's quests, but they usually spear in the form of being made to choose between two options right at the end of the quest. Besides, most of those branches are like killing Cass in the sense that they lead to dead ends rather than completely new branches.
>That feel when i have 670 hours on New Vegas and i finished it once
I allways want to start NV but some anons tell me to mod it because it will enhance my experience (I haven't got past Primm so far)
But it takes too long and by the time i'm done all that excitement is gone and i don't want to play it anymore
>>336287575
>Besides, most of those branches are like killing Cass in the sense that they lead to dead ends rather than completely new branches.
Letting Jean-Baptiste kill Cass leads you to a new quest that you can't get otherwise.
Have you even played the fucking game? All you say is fucking bullshit.
>>336287567
>all the stability rests on a single ruler
But that's what I'm saying, we never see any of that said stability.
From what we see they're just glorified raiders and we never see a single product of said actions or goals.
>>336287776
Is there any written guide on how to mod it step by step? I can't afford to watch what could be 12 hours of videos on how to mod NV
>>336287796
>But that's what I'm saying, we never see any of that said stability.
We kinda do in the DLCs, when you can compare the Legion to actual tribals.
>>336287796
because the ruler isn't stable
he has a tumor
>>336287874
>Is there any written guide on how to mod it step by step?
Using mod manager:
1. Get mod manager
2. Get mods
3. Use common sense
Not using mod manager:
1. Get mods
2. Drop the .esp files in the Data folder
3. While starting the game, check the mods you want to have in the options
4.In case something goes wrong, use common sense
> I can't afford to watch what could be 12 hours of videos on how to mod NV
Half an hour would be enough. It's the looking for mods that can take hours.
>>336287891
From what we've seen apart from being bigger and having better weapons how are they any different from the White Legs?
>>336288061
Ceaser didn't always have a tumor in his head, in fact it's mentioned to be relatively new. And he claims the east is far more peaceful.
Or so he says.
>>336287874
Gamebryo modding is hard to fuck up unless you're retarded.
>>336239302
>3 is better IMO
no it's not.
>>336288428
>how are they any different from the White Legs?
Discipline and culture mostly.
As we have seen White Legs are dumb tribals that can't get shit done. Casear Legion is all about conquering those dumb tribes and incorporating them into the Legion that can get shit done.
>>336288428
yeah but you don't see the east, you see what's there right then
the cancer legion
>>336278798
>wall of text
lmao didn't even begin to read.
>>336264943
>i happen to find myself on long stretches of time where nothing happens in NV and i have to force something to happen if i want to get some action
Yeah, fuck this game for making me play it.
>>336288854
>As we have seen White Legs are dumb tribals that can't get shit done. Casear Legion is all about conquering those dumb tribes and incorporating them into the Legion that can get shit done.
That's a really fucking good point that I forgot about momentary.
But still it's relatively used to make the Legion more effective to fuck shit up then create peace. I"m just saying we really should've gotten more east to the river and see the Legion when they aren't just burning and pillaging, see what Ceaser's end goal is.
>>336289340
> I"m just saying we really should've gotten more east to the river and see the Legion when they aren't just burning and pillaging, see what Ceaser's end goal is.
Obsidian had plans to have a few Legion settlements in game but there was not enough time.
Opinion X> Opinion Y
>entire thread why
Nice job guys, I'm real proud
>>336289775
More like "A game that is disliked on /v/ > A game that is well-liked on /v/", and then the thread is full of people arguing.
>>336289340
>But still it's relatively used to make the Legion more effective to fuck shit up then create peace
Well that's how it works, you gotta fuck shit up first to create peace.
All we know is that the terriory under Caesar rule is a lot more safe than NCR territory because Legion doesn't fuck around with raiders.
I mean, that's what Raul, Cass and few other NPCs tell us. Consdering that they have no reason to lie about it I would consider it to be true.
>>336256534
>shootan and lootan
>fun
It was fun for about 15 minutes when Zombie Survival Craft Simulators started popping up around 4 years ago.
>>336289775
symbols joined together to create meaning
>entire culture based on this
nice job guys
>>336264285
>reddit = everyone having the same opinions and agreeing with each other because mods ban anyone who disagrees with the majority and don't think for yourself because reddit knows what's best
>4chan = any opinion goes but think for yourself
The only reason I despise reddit is the lack of freedom they give.
>>336290064
I know but I want show not tell. We see how the NCR likes to control everything while still being is under-recruited, under-supplied and under-prepared all the time and I want to actually see and experience that part of the Legion.
But as >>336289561 apparently claims they were in a time limit or something.
>>336290064
It makes sense, too. If you're watching your raider buddies get strung up on a cross to die in horrendous pain over several days, because they raided a caravan, shit's bound to stop.
>>336290164
Forum for discussing Chinese cartoons
>subculture based on this
Phenomenal job guy
>>336276274
Aside from the green filter, pretty much all the designs and aesthetics (world, costumes, armor, weapons) is in line with the precedent set in F1 and F2, and the fact that they were able to preserve the design across dimensions, engines, and genres is admirable.
>>336261391
This is: Your dumb like fallout 3.
3 is the overall more enjoyable game but I can't be bothered to argue with you fucks. I've already been burnt our on these threads for a long time now
>>336290418
>4chan = any opinion goes but think for yourself
>Implying people won't shitpost hard if you like a game the majority doesn't
That said I don't know anything about reddit because I don't go there but it's not like this site doesn't have it's own meta that is followed by it's anons and board culture even if it's not the mods themselves.
>>336285692
There are two subfactions in the Legion as well. The change, sadly, are in slides only.
>it hasnt been posted yet
>>336290749
Is it really that hard to just ignore shitposters? You must have brain damage if you can't separate b8 posts and normal posts.
>>336282903
You pic has no rocks,bushes.
Your pic has no terrain just a vehicle
>>336290913
Does NV have this problem?
>>336291472
Some places are a bit too dirty, but it's much better than 3.
>>336291472
yes, to a very minor extent.
the lore inconsistencies happen with the addition of VERY rushed dlc.
overall the plot is VERY thin for nv, and all motivations at a first glance are superficial at best.
>>336291806
>overall the plot is VERY thin for nv, and all motivations at a first glance are superficial at best.
care to elaborate? i didn't understand this statement
Your games are both trash compared to Elder Scrolls universe.
Fucking end it all.
>>336292390
if you havent played the other games and you come across some of the factions fighting or doing something nonsensical and decide to help them without any understanding you will make a certain choice. This is natural, like killing all the supermutants, or deciding to help the boomers.
but, if you know more back story from the previous games you are more inclined to rescue the supermutants and nuke the boomers without hesitation.
the overall motivation for the player isnt set in stone, you can just start a new game and fuck off to the corner of the map and start OWB dlc as a level 1 (not reccomended) but you can, and the story is so loose and thin that you forget why you were there, hell you DONT have to do the main questline, skip forward to NV without doing anything and still carry forward in the main story.
>>336244723
Idisagree but respect your opinion anyway
>>336248630
>being this pleb
>>336292906
>the overall motivation for the player isnt set in stone
It's called roleplaying.
>>336292906
i have only played FO2 and 4, i never touched either FO3 or NV becuase of the constant bickering between fans arguing wich one is better
it just ends up with me thinking that maybe i should stay away from both games, it may sound weird but i kinda like how different FO4 and 2 are, it feels a bit refreshing to play FO4 after playing through 2 like 5 times
>>336292890
>Not realising that FO3 and NV are both superior to every TES game ever made
>>336293185
bingo, and i enjoy the shit out of it.
>>336293186
thats fine, i reccomend nv much more over 3 or 4.
but its best to play them all and make up your own damn mind.
my only advice is stay the fuck away from most of the dlc for nv and fo3. they are such fucking shit and cancer.
OWB>Dead Money>literal shit covered with maggots>honest hearts>the divide
Dead Money is probably the shittiest DLC I've ever played
>inventory gets wiped
>spooky abloo abloo zombies that need to be dismembered
>dark as fuck map
>darkness compounded by retarded ass poison cloud fogging up the place
>you have to avoid poison clouds, immortal holograms, traps, AND the radio bullshit
>all while navigating through confusing cramped maze like levels of streets, roofs, and broken houses and backtracking to them again later
>you'll just end up running around trying to find whatever the fuck you need, stop when you hear the fucking radio, run back till the beep stops, quicksave, run forward, look for the radio, shoot it if you see it, run back or die and reload if you don't
>you can also encounter poison cloud, quicksave, run into the cloud trying to find something useful inside it or just getting past the actual cloud, run back or die and reload if it's a dead end
>sometimes there's BOTH poison cloud AND bomb radios
>stores don't have stimpacks/docbags you need to find the tapes to unlock them in the vending machines
>good luck finding them with the bullshit cloud, darkness, traps and beep beep bomb radios
>your reward is some gay ass gold that you can't even carry out of the damn place
>even if you did manage to carry all or some of it out, the DLC recommends that you play it on level 20+ and at that point you're practically swimming in money already
>>336293772
>literal shit covered with maggots>honest hearts
>mfw
>>336294294
Fair points, but have you consideredgitting good_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________?
>>336294378
he should have made himself into a ghoul
I was expecting him to actually show up in the game as a ghoul and talk about his life
>>336294294
>it's shit because I don't like getting out of my comfort zone and I'm a save scummer
You are the problem.
>>336294571
>I was expecting him to actually show up in the game as a ghoul and talk about his life
That would happen if it was written by Bethesda.
>>336294294
>your reward is some gay ass gold that you can't even carry out of the damn place
Not to mention you end up breaking every vendor trying sell it
>>336294378
one mans story does not make up for the rest
>they ate them
you know what else they ate? the rest of the reason for me giving a fuck being here.
>>336294294
its made to be hard as fuck, i played through that as low as level as possible, 2 on survival difficulty.
GOD DAMN SONget gud scrub
>>336294725
>the rest
Comfy exploring around surprisingly nice looking locations?
Why was Raul being an old man bitch boy? I thought ghouls are immortal
>>336294571
>he should have made himself into a ghoul
Dude had both PTSD and Survivor guilt, survived the apoclypse, outlived both of his wives and was considering suicide every birthday.
Let him rest in peace.
>>336294725
>one mans story does not make up for the rest
Well good there was more than one then.
>>336288438
>>336288293
Sorry anons, but i'm a fucking retard sometimes, and seems like you can fuck up hard if you install too many mods
Thanks for the help though
>>336294867
Because he was ghoulified as an old man bitch boy.
Where the fuck is Harold?
>>336294294
I was not aware this was a copypasta until now. Are you the same guy, or did you swipe it from the other guy? Or has this been around for a while and i haven't known?
>>336294993
>and seems like you can fuck up hard if you install too many mods
Only if they are very taxing and conflict with each other.
It's hard to fuck up your game unless you install a 100 overhauls or something.
>>336295018
In Fallout 3.
>>336294921
> you can't kill him and take his face wrap
>he doesn't give you his face wrap so you can run around the Mojave pretending to be the burned man
>>336295251
>you can't kill him and take his face wrap
It would be extremaly painful
>you can't kill House and give the robots to NCR or Legion
>>336248234
It's called Shin Megami Tensei
>>336295251
The face wrap would be nice, but I'd settle for having arm wraps on the version of his armor you get.
>>336295335
>you can't reprogram an army robots because House encrypted the shit out of everything
Your point?
>>336295331
Dr. Fantastic, I'm NCR
>>336295523
I got science 100
Well
New vegas didn't have chinnese weapon and uniforms
So yeah, fuck new vegas
>>336295761
So does House. Science 100 is not a plot device.
>>336295895
It has the chinese stealth suit though.
>>336295895
there's a chinese stealth suit in NV
>>336296192
I've talked to the robots in MT
>>336296305
And one of them has an inferiority complex towards House.
