It can't do 1080p/60fps
Who is to blame: Sony or Team Ninja?
>>336220564
>It's in development since 2009
Source?
>a demo of an old build isn't optimized
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
>>336220564
This version's been in development since 2012, actually. The version that was worked on from roughly 2009-10, which was the second incarnation of the game, was scrapped after being deemed by KT to be too similar to Ninja Gaiden.
>>336220621
nioh was originally a ps3 game.
>>336220775
It was announced 2005, I know that. I want to know since when it was in active development.
>>336220914
2004 actually, back when the game was called "Oni" before it was "Ni-Oh".
The original version was worked on from about 2004-07, when it shelved after Koei weren't satisfied with it (It was an attempt at mixing a Mosou with a SRPG). It was handed off to Team Ninja after the KT merger around 2009.
>>336220564
>Who is to blame: Sony or Team Ninja?
Plenty of games run at 1080p60fps, so TeamNinja's fault
That being said optimization is always one of the last things to be done
>720P
But it's a supercharged PC!
Is this even up for question? 720 60 of course
>>336220564
>720p
>2016
How are you people not rioting in the streets?
>>336220564
>60fps
>on le Supercharged PC
>>336221130
>>336221202
Here come the butthurt PCucks.
>>336220641
>old demo build
Grasping at straws anon.
>>336221101
The alpha demo is a slightly touched-up version of a build that a handful of journalists were allowed to play at TGS last September, and TN came out swinging and said they were aiming for 1080/60 as recently as February, so make of that what you will.
>>336221247
Here comes the Sony Defense Force.
>>336221247
I guess it's okay when Sony does it
>>336221325
>TN came out swinging and said they were aiming for 1080/60 as recently as February, so make of that what you will.
It's going to stay 720/60 because the cinematic mode is dynamic resolution and they will likely have to run a 900/720 target resolution. A target is only a target, not a guarantee.
>>336220564
Sony for rushing out a toaster tier laptop.
Why do you think they are pushing out the PS4.5?
>>336221247
They'd have 0fps and 0p over any number between that and 90fps1440p
They are the true patriots, with upstanding unshakable standards.
Please clap and show your respect
>>336220564
Consumers
It could be in 1080p and 60 FPS but then people would complain about the textures being shit
It takes 10 minutes to adapt to 30 fps. If you're unable to do so, you're an inferior human being. Fact.
>>336221432
>Why do you think they are pushing out the PS4.5?
For UHD Blu-ray compatibility (newer HDMI) and to push 4k TVs faster. That's it.
The vast majority of the market doesn't care about performance or resolution, they aren't making a PS4.5 for those who visit forums/imageboards and talk about vidya because that would be only aiming at 5% of the total market.
>>336221498
Of course.
MGS5 runs at 1080p and a very stable 60fps
MGO released on time instead of being delayed for 6+ months on the PC version
Infiltrations weren't hacker-ridden unlike the PC version.
The only downside was graphical (mainly less LOD), with the performance, resolution and gameplay being exactly on par.
And yet everyone here will say PC was the obvious superior version
It's pretty funny how PC-only friends always side with the best performing version even with hacking scandals like the recent DaS3 soft-ban hacker-kun bullshit. As long as the games runs better, it must always be better.
>>336220564
I honestly don't care as I'm having too much fucking fun to worry about something like that.
>>336221912
Actually, the PC version of MGS5 is vastly superior in every area. Besides texture quality, the PS4 is literally the low setting equivalent of the PC version. Look at any comparison.
>>336220621
Team Ninja said themselves they were developing since 2009 and in 2010 it was planned as a pS3 release
>The game missed the initial 2006 release window without comment from Koei. It wasn't until 2009 that Koei confirmed that the game was still in development, apologizing for the lack of updates.[2][7] In 2010 Koei (now Koei Tecmo) announced that Tecmo's Team Ninja would be finishing development of the game, which had been suspended by Koei.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nioh
>>336220641
Actually it's not an old build. The game reached completed alpha stage in 2011-2012
>>336220719
Wrong, by 2010 they already were working on this version that is going to release this year.
>>336222052
It's almost you can't read, I straight out said the only downgrade was graphical. And your reply is about graphics. No shit sherlock
Then you proceed to ignore the main point of the post that PCucks take performance or graphics over EVERYTHING else, including half year delays of game modes compared to other versions (and when MGO was released on PC it was already half-dead) and hackers ruining base infiltrations.
Thanks for proving my point, I guess.
>>336222281
Nah, you made is seem like a minimal difference in visuals, focusing mainly on the LoD part. It's just straight up misinformation, Famicom.
Also, no one plays MGO on PC. PC gamers can very easily identify a shit product.
>>336220564
It's an early alpha demo. The same from TGS 2015. I think they'll fix it.
Playstation is so bad that people have to talk about FPS and 720p because the games aren't fun to play
Sony barely releases unbroken games.
>>336222369
nice excuses for having the inferior version m8
Too bad you can't deny infiltrations are fun. Or perhaps you can since your version had scriptkiddies
PCs will always be superior, they are also expensive (A nice GPU don't cost less than $300)
But the question is: Where is Sony to make sure they are not releasing broken alpha builds?
>>336222369
>PC gamers can very easily identify a shit product
What on earth are you on about? m8, people with taste runs across the across the board, it's hardly restricted to one platform.
>>336222369
>PC gamers can very easily identify a shit product.
that's why lol is the most popular game on PC
>>336222674
People with shit taste, rather.
>>336222513
Please, if it makes you feel better let me state the following:
"NioH was NOT fun! NOT fun at all! I wish I could erase it from my memory. Also, the lower resolution made it straight up unplayable and my eyes bled! Such un-fun times. Oh how much I suffered. I wish all I could do was actively seek NioH threads and shitpost in them instead of being able to play the game."
There, happy? I hope your mood improved, friend.
>>336222759
Another weeb sub-quality game.
>>336220564
Sony, for shit hardware.
>>336222972
Go sign a petition
>>336220564
The hardware
>all these damage controlling nintenyearolds itt
PC release when?
>>336222052
?
>>336221912
To be fair. Playing the game with a M&K felt so fucking good and I loved it for that alone.
>>336223116
Soon at 0p and 0fps
>>336223170
why is the spot on her back moved in each version...
>>336222052
Not really. It's a mixture of anywhere ranging from some Very High things, to some Low things like LOD.
>some people will lower resolution and raise frame rate to clear certain bosses
>>336223621
Why don't more console game let us choose stuff like that?
I would love it if I could choose between performance or quality on the fly like with PC games. Hell, even phone games do it from time to time.
>>336223935
I think NioH will set a precedent for it.
>>336224101
And that's a bad thing because the PC retards spent the past 14 years talking about the wonders of ultra-settings on razor sponsored computers
And now we are going to use the low-settings as default
>>336224101
Hope so.
>>336224101
if PSVR takes off I hope it'll also have that as an option
I mean, they managed to double Driveclub's framerate. So perhaps any future games with VR modes will enable increased framerate while not using VR also
>>336223621
but lowering frame rate makes the bosses easier
That's an old trailer and the finished game. All versions have those shit shadows.
>>336224598
The mighy PS4
Wish more games didn't care about having shiny graphics so much and instead focus on content and fps, things that actually matter when playing a game.
When i first heard about this i thought people would be happy but instead people think its shit. I just don't understand.
>>336224948
For a game that is in development since 2010..
>This screenshot is from 720p60fps
>44fps
>>336224948
The biggest problem in Nioh is that even with the sacrifices, performance mode isn't a constant 60 fps. It can jump as low as the 30s (but more commonly the 40s), and that kind of variability feels worse than a steady but lower frame-rate. Same issue applies to the movie mode. A constant 30 fps would feel better than bouncing between 30-40.
Just turning shit off or down to increase the frame-rate isn't a good way of doing things if you also don't bother to maintain a stable frame-rate. There's not much point to having the option when the fps is still fucked up.
>>336224598
meant to quote
>>336223170
>>336225371
It's too bad it can't reach 60 but things can change. Just gotta wait.
>>336224940
The mighty PC
>>336224190
>retards can play games on ultra-settings
>plebs have to set their games to low-settings to be able to decently run their games
And you call us retards.
Game has more ganksquads and monster closets than Dark Souls 2
>>336226217
>he's playing the "muh exclusives!"-card
Because that's all your box is. An exclusive-machine.
>>336226693
It's also a good multiplat machine, thank you very much. I don't own a PS3 or vita either so getting games like gundam breaker 3 is pretty amazing.
I'm sorry you're not an idort, PC-friend. I'm sorry you feel the need to visit threads about game you can not play and on top of that waste time shitposting in them.
In january I replayed Dragon's Dogma PC port at 3k resolution and silky smooth 60fps, yet I'm also able to fully enjoy NioH at lower resolutions or MonsterHunter on the 3DS which has a 240p screen and also has a wildly variable framerate.
I'm sorry you're ruining vidya for yourself with your self-imposed restrictions, shitty attitude and smugness :3c
I'll ne enjoying the plethora of games that come on all platforms, but thanks for your concern, anon
>>336221247
For some reason they think low fps never occur on PC.
>>336222682
MOBA normies aren't actually gamers, though.
>>336227326
Where did I ever imply that? Damn you must be so butthurt that you lost the ability to read. I just said I had a fine time with the PC version of DD this year. I also got XCOM2 but it was pretty underwhelming and menus felt unresponsive so I didn't mention it
Again, what are you still doing in this thread? You didn't play the game. You can't play the game. You won't be able to play it at launch. What's the interest on your part ?
At least Sony realized that the PS4 is underwhelming as fuck
>>336220564
>1440p 144fps
This option please.
>>336227831
>not 14400p/1444 fps
>>336227163
Wow, that got kinda personal and off-topic. Consoles are still just exlcusive-machines though. I know that because I own all the consoles up to PS3 and Xbox360.
And I certainly won't miss having to pay subscription to be able to play multiplayer games online.
>>336227163
Watching them play fight is how I figured out you could stop a blade with your palms.
Pretty nifty.
This game looks like more jap trash I can't see what the hype is about.
>>336228338
Stick to your call of duty threads champ
>>336228378
Yeah I will. Problem?
>>336228127
You're flat out denying facts now, that's straight up delusional
I just said a big reason to own a PS4 is because it gets nearly all the PS3 and Vita releasesat 1080p60fps which is also nifty but not the main pointas well as the handful Xbone/PS4 only games. And yet you still come back to the "exclusives machine" argument.
For instance if I wanted to play GB3, Persona5, Destiny and SFV without owning a PS4 I would need to buy 4 different systems instead. Having a PS4 circumvents that. It's only a bad deal if you already own all other systems, which I don't, and generaly it's a bad idea to get a console early/mid gen only for it's exclusives anyway, because there will be months of drought.
Sure you won't miss paying for online, but on the other hand you'll miss on all non PC games, including the one in this very thread, which I'm still not sure why you didn't close already
>>336227463
nice cherry picking
too bad thats every game on ps4 except fighting games
So if the game was in development since 2006, that means that From copied Nioh. Soulsfags btfo.
>>336220564
It's always the developer's fault. You could have a PS4 twice as powerful as the one that exists today and developers would still choose to do 1440p @ 30fps instead of 1080p60fps. Make it even more powerful and you'll get 3840p30fps. Any developer could reduce the graphical fidelity of a game and get 1080p60fps on the PS4, but they don't, because pretty games with high polygon counts and flashy particle effects sell over a fluid framerate.
>>336229187
Battlefield and cod are 1080p 60fps on ps4. Suck my dick
>>336230743
Wow, some of the less demanding games on PC can run at acceptable framerates on console, whoppty fucking doo!
>>336228824
>I have shit standards so everyone should have shit standards and settle for less
There are literally no reasons for exclusives in this day and age, all it does is holding gaming back. By giving money to Sony you support anti-consumer practices, you are sending the wrong message, you are telling the industry that being anti-consumer and buttfucking the customers is okay. Fuck you. You are the cancer killing video games.
>>336231134
You haven't played Nioh, if you had you'd know the alpha's graphics look like something from last-gen. If something like The Last of Us remastered or MGSV can be 1080p/60, Nioh should be able to as well.
>>336230293
Fucking this. They could have slapped a Titan X in the PS4 and after a year or two new releases would still be running like shit, because fancy shaders and particle effects are a much better selling point than fluid framerate. A competent dev will know the machine's limits and make his game accordingly but these have gone extinct during the 6th gen.
>>336231773
Yeah, you don't get the full effect of 60fps in screenshots and youtube videos but they do get to show off their graphics that way.
>>336230293
>but they don't, because pretty games with high polygon counts and flashy particle effects sell over a fluid framerate
This, sadly. The people who get hypertensive (Hell, not even in the autistic TotalBiscuit sense, just people who think about it at all. Though admittedly that BB story with him is highly amusing) about frame rate are a vast, vast, vast minority.
>>336231496
Cool.
Feels great knowing there are autists like you out there mad at the industry for no reason rather than enjoying any game that seems fun without looking at every nook and cranny to see if it's "safe and responsible" to buy it
You really did ruin vidya for yourself, huh...
>>336231496
>typical pcucks response.
If it wasn't for exclusivity, many of the games wouldn't get funded in the first place.
>>336231496
>you are telling the industry that being anti-consumer and buttfucking the customers is okay
the salt is real
Steam is anti-consumer, Nvidia is anti-consumer, every game platform is anti-consumer
>>336232094
bruh, EDF is actually coming to steam
>>336231134
Battlefield less demanding? XD
>>336220564
your mama
How do you pronounce it?
Is it "knee-ooh," or "NO!"
>>336234156
The former.
>>336232507
yeah yeah I know, it's been 8 months since release and the port is riiiiight around the corner! just you wait! It'll release alongside Half Life 3 if SteamDB is to be trusted.
Also ignore the fact that literally zero games from this dev have ever been on PC, that doesn't matter. Sandlot's EDF games have existed for 13 years and non have been on PC? doesn't matter. All that matters is SteamDB, in that you can trust.
>Package » Earth Defense Forth 4.1
>Forth
Hmmm yes. Accurate and reliable.inb4 Insect Armageddon
>>336220564
the consumer that thinks graphics are more important than anything else
>>336226693
>an exclusive machine
Yeah no shit, have you already forgotten the PS2 era? Of course consoles are exclusive machines you retard.
>>336234692
dude, he's a PCuck who came to a thread about a game exclusive to a console he doesn't own, so he didn't even play the demo
Of course he's a sad person, best to just ignore him
>>336235197
what has that to do with anything
the thread is about having options and low performances of consoles in general since delevopers chose graphics over framerate
I know you love being all smug about a demo but that's not the point, just make a goldface thread if you're itching for replies
>>336235312
the thread isn't about a reply chain of exclusives or what makes the ps4's library good or bad.
It's clearly about NioH. anyone who didn't play the demo and still clicked on this thread to shitpost is just sad. No "but"s about it
>>336220564
>It can't do 1080p/60fps
>
>Who is to blame: Sony or Team Ninja?
Its not even 60 fps at 720p
>>336227463
But that's just a badly optimized game. There's a difference between shitty developers and a pc being shit
>>336220564
I don't really care. I hate the character and world design so I probably wont play it.
Does ki pulse make those little yokai circles disappear or what? I'd rather not stand in one to find out.
>>336236458
Yes. A perfectly timed ki pulse or having Kekkai active will dissolve yokai puddles.
>>336230743
>no source
LOL implying you could tell the difference between 5 fps and 60 fps you brain damage retard.
>>336236715
both are 60fps, DICE games run at 900p though. Not sure about CoD's resolution as I've no interest in it
most jap games run at 1080p60fps too
I know you're a sick memer and all, but a good portion of PS4 games run at 60
>>336222190
To be the fair it probably didn't have a full team working on it and was likely moved to back burner. Given that it's heavily inspired by Souls which didn't really get popular until Dark Souls it would have probably at least been 2011 since it entered full production.
>>336222972
Conquered detected.
>>336237282
It's gone through three phases
>a hybrid of SRPG and Mosou that was shelved for a few years after Koei couldn't figure out how to make it gel well enough (Plus they said it "lost momentum" after the tie-in film was officially cancelled in late 2005)
>after the KT merger, it was handed off to Team Ninja, but this intial version was scrapped after Shibusawa deemed it too similar to Ninja Gaiden
>this current version, where they've openly cited Demon's Souls and Onimusha 2 as heavy influences
>>336224101
Actually TLoU on PS4 did this.
That being said that was more of a cinematic stealth game and I don't think a hack and slash action game has done this.
>>336226693
At least it has exclusives that aren't ASSFAGGOTS or strategy games that suck on consoles regardless.
>>336220564
>Action mode
>60 fps
Bullshit, the game goes back and forth between 60 and 30 fps in action mode, which makes it way more painful to look at than just constant 30 fps
>>336220564
>720p
>60 fps
You mean silky smooth 15 fps, right anon?
>>336237348
YOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOOOO~~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1dlnqYUEZw
>>336238650 please refer to >>336226217
>>336239173
What is even happening in this pic?
>>336220564
The devs. Its ALWAYS the devs fault whether its Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, or PC, unless they're forced into a situation where that have to do some crazy 11 month development time against their will, and even then they usually sign a contract knowing the shitty dev time they're getting into
Any dev on the planet could choose to get a LOCKED 1080p 60fps out of the new consoles like Nintendo did for Smash and Kojima did for MGSV. They choose to not design around it of their own volition
>tfw won't have time to beat the second level before the demo expires
Ah well, at least I got the mark of the conqueror.
>>336242059
The second level will probably only take you about an hour to do. Get off /v/ and go do it now!
>>336220564
When I do get a PS4 I'll probably pick this up. I will definitely be doing 60 fps. Maybe I'm alone in a sea of memers but I legit prefer the fps gain over resolution. For me the improvement in look and gameplay 60 fps has over 30 beats the improvement in looks 1080 has over 720.
More on topic: The demand for a certain level of fidelity consumers press on developers, "Does this look next gen, or like a PS2 GAEM?" coupled with what a company can make affordable hardware-wise is to blame. If you want 60 fps it's pretty easy to achieve, you just take a hit somewhere in post processing. A hit no consumer is really willing to take 9I guess.
Sucks to be me I guess. I'd take 60fps over a lot of the fluff effects like super soft shadows, DoF, or AO.
>>336242173
Going to work now though. Overtime is a bitch but I'll get to rest up after it's done and have a fuck ton of extra spending money after I get through it.
>>336242261
Console developers are retarded. Instead of scaling down resolution and graphics like a normal person, they zap at the fps.
>>336236973
Man all the waifuposting and shitty screenshots had failed to impress me with this game so far. This is the first time It's caught my interest.
